[Numpy-discussion] YouTrack testbed

[David Cournapeau]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Ralf Gommers
<ralf.gommers at googlemail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Bryan Van de Ven <bryanv at continuum.io>wrote:
>
>> On 4/3/12 4:18 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
>> > Here some first impressions.
>> >
>> > The good:
>> > - It's responsive!
>> > - It remembers my preferences (view type, # of issues per page, etc.)
>> > - Editing multiple issues with the command window is easy.
>> > - Search and filter functionality is powerful
>> >
>> > The bad:
>> > - Multiple projects are supported, but issues are then really mixed.
>> > The way this works doesn't look very useful for combined admin of
>> > numpy/scipy trackers.
>> > - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in
>> > the one-line issue overview.
>> > - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open
>> > issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers.
>> > - Plain text attachments (.txt, .diff, .patch) can't be viewed, only
>> > downloaded.
>> > - No direct VCS integration, only via Teamcity (not set up, so can't
>> > evaluate).
>> > - No useful default views as in Trac
>> > (http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/report).
>>
>> Ralf,  regarding some of the issues:
>>
>
> Hi Bryan, thanks for looking into this.
>
>>
>> I think for numpy/scipy trackers, we could simply run separate instances
>> of YouTrack for each.
>
>
> That would work. It does mean that there's no maintenance advantage over
> using Trac here.
>
> Also we can certainly create some standard
>> queries. It's a small pain not to have useful defaults, but it's only a
>> one-time pain. :)
>>
>
> That should help.
>
>
>> Also, what kind of integration are you looking for with github? There
>> does appear to be the ability to issue commands to youtrack through git
>> commits, which does not depend on TeamCity, as best I can tell:
>>
>> http://confluence.jetbrains.net/display/YTD3/GitHub+Integration
>> http://blogs.jetbrains.com/youtrack/tag/github-integration/
>>
>> I'm not sure this is what you were thinking about though.
>>
>
> That does help. The other thing that's useful is to reference commits
> (like commit:abcd123 in current Trac) and have them turned into links to
> commits on Github. This is not a showstopper for me though.
>
>>
>> For the other issues, Maggie or I can try and see what we can find out
>> about implementing them, or working around them, this week.
>>
>
> I'd say that from the issues I mentioned, the biggest one is the one-line
> view. So these two:
>
>   - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in
>     the one-line issue overview.
>   - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open
>     issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers.
>
>
>> Of course, we'd like to evaluate any other viable issue trackers as
>>
>> well. Do you have any suggestions for other systems besides YouTrack?
>>
>
> David wrote up some issues (some of which I didn't check) with current
> Trac and looked at Redmine before. He also mentioned Roundup. See
> http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/wiki/ImprovingIssueWorkflow
>
> Redmine does look good from a quick browse (better view, does display
> diffs). It would be good to get the opinions of a few more people on this
> topic.
>

Redmine is "trac on RoR", but it solves two significant issues over trac:
  - mass edit (e.g. moving things to a new mileston is simple and doable
from the UI)
  - REST API by default, so that we can build simple command line tools on
top of it (this changed since I made the wiki page)

It is a PITA to install, though, at least if you are not familiar with
ruby, and I heard it is hard to manage as well.

IIRC, roundup was suggested by Robert, but it is more of a custom solution
I believe.

David
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