[Numpy-discussion] YouTrack testbed

[Travis Oliphant]

This looks good.   Maggie and Bryan are now setting up a Redmine instance to try out how hard that is to administer.    I have some experience with Redmine and have liked what I've seen in the past.  I think the user experience that Ralf is providing feedback on is much more important than how hard it is to administer.   

NumFocus will dedicate resources to administer the system. 

-Travis




On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote:

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> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM, David Cournapeau <cournape at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at googlemail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Bryan Van de Ven <bryanv at continuum.io> wrote:
> On 4/3/12 4:18 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
> > Here some first impressions.
> >
> > The good:
> > - It's responsive!
> > - It remembers my preferences (view type, # of issues per page, etc.)
> > - Editing multiple issues with the command window is easy.
> > - Search and filter functionality is powerful
> >
> > The bad:
> > - Multiple projects are supported, but issues are then really mixed.
> > The way this works doesn't look very useful for combined admin of
> > numpy/scipy trackers.
> > - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in
> > the one-line issue overview.
> > - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open
> > issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers.
> > - Plain text attachments (.txt, .diff, .patch) can't be viewed, only
> > downloaded.
> > - No direct VCS integration, only via Teamcity (not set up, so can't
> > evaluate).
> > - No useful default views as in Trac
> > (http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/report).
> 
> Ralf,  regarding some of the issues:
> 
> Hi Bryan, thanks for looking into this. 
> 
> I think for numpy/scipy trackers, we could simply run separate instances
> of YouTrack for each.
> 
> That would work. It does mean that there's no maintenance advantage over using Trac here. 
> 
> Also we can certainly create some standard
> queries. It's a small pain not to have useful defaults, but it's only a
> one-time pain. :)
> 
> That should help.
>  
> Also, what kind of integration are you looking for with github? There
> does appear to be the ability to issue commands to youtrack through git
> commits, which does not depend on TeamCity, as best I can tell:
> 
> http://confluence.jetbrains.net/display/YTD3/GitHub+Integration
> http://blogs.jetbrains.com/youtrack/tag/github-integration/
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> I'm not sure this is what you were thinking about though.
> 
> That does help. The other thing that's useful is to reference commits (like commit:abcd123 in current Trac) and have them turned into links to commits on Github. This is not a showstopper for me though.
> 
> For the other issues, Maggie or I can try and see what we can find out
> about implementing them, or working around them, this week.
> 
> I'd say that from the issues I mentioned, the biggest one is the one-line view. So these two:
> 
>   - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in
>     the one-line issue overview.
>   - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open
>     issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers. 
>  
> Of course, we'd like to evaluate any other viable issue trackers as
> 
> well. Do you have any suggestions for other systems besides YouTrack?
> 
> David wrote up some issues (some of which I didn't check) with current Trac and looked at Redmine before. He also mentioned Roundup. See http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/wiki/ImprovingIssueWorkflow
> 
> Redmine does look good from a quick browse (better view, does display diffs). It would be good to get the opinions of a few more people on this topic.
> 
> Redmine is "trac on RoR", but it solves two significant issues over trac:
>   - mass edit (e.g. moving things to a new mileston is simple and doable from the UI)
>   - REST API by default, so that we can build simple command line tools on top of it (this changed since I made the wiki page)
> 
> It is a PITA to install, though, at least if you are not familiar with ruby, and I heard it is hard to manage as well.
>  
> Thanks, that's a clear description of pros and cons. It's also easy to play with Redmine at demo.redmine.org. That site allows you to set up a new project and try the admin interface.
> 
> My current list of preferences is:
> 
> 1. Redmine (if admin overhead is not unreasonable)
> 2. Trac with performance issues solved
> 3. Github
> 4. YouTrack
> 5. Trac with current performance
> 
> Ralf
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