[Numpy-discussion] Created NumPy 1.7.x branch

Benjamin Root ben.root at ou.edu
Tue Jun 26 12:52:11 EDT 2012

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM, David Cournapeau <cournape at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Travis Oliphant <travis at continuum.io>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Let us note that that problem was due to Travis convincing David to
> >> include the Datetime work in the release against David's own best
> judgement.
> >> The result was a delay of several months until Ralf could get up to
> speed
> >> and get 1.4.1 out. Let us also note that poly1d is actually not the
> same as
> >> Matlab poly1d.
> >>
> >>
> >> This is not accurate, Charles.  Please stop trying to dredge up old
> >> history you don't know the full story about and are trying to create an
> >> alternate reality about.   It doesn't help anything and is quite
> poisonous
> >> to this mailing list.
> >
> >
> > I didn't start the discussion of 1.4, nor did I raise the issue at the
> time
> > as I didn't think it would be productive. We moved forward. But in any
> case,
> > I asked David at the time why the datetime stuff got included. I'd
> welcome
> > your version if you care to offer it. That would be more useful than
> > accusing me of creating an alternative reality and would clear the air.
> >
> >
> > The datetime stuff got included because it is a very useful and important
> > feature for multiple users.   It still needed work, but it was in a state
> > where it could be tried.   It did require breaking ABI compatibility in
> the
> > state it was in.   My approach was to break ABI compatibility and move
> > forward (there were other things we could do at the time that are still
> > needed in the code base that will break ABI compatibility in the future).
> >  David didn't want to break ABI compatibility and so tried to satisfy two
> > competing desires in a way that did not ultimately work.     These things
> > happen.    We all get to share responsibility for the outcome.
> I think Chuck alludes to the fact that I was rather reserved about
> merging datetime before *anyone* knew about breaking the ABI. I don't
> feel responsible for this issue (except I maybe should have pushed
> more strongly about datetime being included), but I am also not
> interested in making a big deal out of it, certainly not two years
> after the fact. I am merely point this out so that you realize that
> you may both have a different view that could be seen as valid
> depending on what you are willing to highlight.
> I suggest that Chuck and you take this off-list,
> David

Or, we could raise funds for NumFOCUS by selling tickets for a brawl
between the two at SciPy2012...

I kid, I kid!

Ben Root
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