[Numpy-discussion] Meta: help, devel and stackoverflow

srean srean.list at gmail.com
Thu Jun 28 16:42:35 EDT 2012

In case this changes your mind (or assuages fears) just wanted to
point out that many open source projects do this. It is not about
claiming that one is more important than the other, nor does it
reinforce the idea that developers and users live in separate silos,
but more of directing the mails to different folders. No policing is
required as well, just reply to the author and to the appropriate

Right now reading numpy-discussion at scipy.org feels a lot like drinking
from a fire hydrant when a couple of threads become very active.

This is just anecdotal evidence, but I have had mails unanswered when
there is one or two threads that are dominating the list.

People are human and there will be situations where the top responders
will be overburdened and I think the split will mitigate the problem
somewhat. For whatever reasons, answering help requests are handled
largely by a small set of star responders, though I suspect the answer
is available more widely even among comparitively new users. I am
hoping (a) that with a separate "ask for help" such enlightened new
users can take up the slack (b) the information gets better organized
(c) we do not impose on users who are not so interested in devel
issues and vice versa. I take interest in devel related issues  (apart
from the distracting and what at times seem petty flamewars) and like
reading the numpy source, but dont think every user have similar
tastes neither should they.


On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.brett at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Olivier Delalleau <shish at keba.be> wrote:
>> +1 for a numpy-users list without "dev noise".
> Moderately strong vote against splitting the mailing lists into devel and user.
> As we know, this list can be unhappy and distracting, but I don't
> think splitting the lists is the right approach to that problem.
> Splitting the lists sends the wrong signal.  I'd rather that we show
> by example that the developers listen to all voices, and that the
> users should expect to become developers. In other words that the
> boundary between the user and developer is fluid and has no explicit
> boundaries.
> As data points, I make no distinction between scipy-devel and
> scipy-user, nor cython-devel and cython-user.  Policing the
> distinction ('please post this on the user mailing list') is a boring
> job and doesn't make anyone more cheerful.
> I don't believe help questions are getting lost any more than devel
> questions are, but I'm happy to be corrected if someone has some data.
> Cheers,
> Matthew

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