# [Numpy-discussion] Regression: in-place operations (possibly intentional)

Benjamin Root ben.root at ou.edu
Tue Sep 18 13:39:11 EDT 2012

```On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Charles R Harris <charlesr.harris at gmail.com
> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Travis Oliphant <travis at continuum.io>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Benjamin Root wrote:
>>
>> > Consider the following code:
>> >
>> > import numpy as np
>> > a = np.array([1, 2, 3, 4, 5], dtype=np.int16)
>> > a *= float(255) / 15
>> >
>> > In v1.6.x, this yields:
>> > array([17, 34, 51, 68, 85], dtype=int16)
>> >
>> > But in master, this throws an exception about failing to cast via
>> same_kind.
>> >
>> > a = np.array([1, 2, 3, 4, 5], dtype=np.int16)
>> > a *= float(128) / 256
>>
>> > yields:
>> > array([0, 1, 1, 2, 2], dtype=int16)
>> >
>> > Of course, this is different than if one does it in a non-in-place
>> manner:
>> > np.array([1, 2, 3, 4, 5], dtype=np.int16) * 0.5
>> >
>> > which yields an array with floating point dtype in both versions.  I
>> can appreciate the arguments for preventing this kind of implicit casting
>> between non-same_kind dtypes, but I argue that because the operation is
>> in-place, then I (as the programmer) am explicitly stating that I desire to
>> utilize the current array to store the results of the operation, dtype and
>> all.  Obviously, we can't completely turn off this rule (for example, an
>> in-place addition between integer array and a datetime64 makes no sense),
>> but surely there is some sort of happy medium that would allow these sort
>> of operations to take place?
>> >
>> > Lastly, if it is determined that it is desirable to allow in-place
>> operations to continue working like they have before, I would like to see
>> such a fix in v1.7 because if it isn't in 1.7, then other libraries (such
>> as matplotlib, where this issue was first found) would have to change their
>> code anyway just to be compatible with numpy.
>>
>> I agree that in-place operations should allow different casting rules.
>>  There are different opinions on this, of course, but generally this is how
>> NumPy has worked in the past.
>>
>> We did decide to change the default casting rule to "same_kind" but
>> making an exception for in-place seems reasonable.
>>
>
> I think that in these cases same_kind will flag what are most likely
> programming errors and sloppy code. It is easy to be explicit and doing so
> will make the code more readable because it will be immediately obvious
> what the multiplicand is without the need to recall what the numpy casting
> rules are in this exceptional case. IISTR several mentions of this before
> (Gael?), and in some of those cases it turned out that bugs were being
> turned up. Catching bugs with minimal effort is a good thing.
>
> Chuck
>
>
True, it is quite likely to be a programming error, but then again, there
are many cases where it isn't.  Is the problem strictly that we are trying
to downcast the float to an int, or is it that we are trying to downcast to
a lower precision?  Is there a way for one to explicitly relax the
same_kind restriction?

Thanks,
Ben Root
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