[Numpy-discussion] import overhead of numpy.testing

[Charles R Harris]

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Benjamin Root <ben.root at ou.edu> wrote:

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> On Aug 11, 2013 5:02 AM, "Ralf Gommers" <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Benjamin Root <ben.root at ou.edu> wrote:
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> >> Would there be some sort of way to detect that numpy.testing wasn't
> explicitly imported and issue a deprecation warning? Say, move the code
> into numpy._testing, import in into the namespace as testing, but then have
> the testing.py file set a flag in _testing to indicate an explicit import
> has occurred?
> >>
> >> Eventually, even _testing would no longer get imported by default and
> all will be well.
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> >> Of course, that might be too convoluted?
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> > I'm not sure how that would work (you didn't describe how to decide that
> the import was explicit), but imho the impact would be too high.
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> > Ralf
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> The idea would be that within numpy (and we should fix SciPy as well), we
> would always import numpy._testing as testing, and not import testing.py
> ourselves. Then, there would be a flag in _testing.py that would be set to
> emit, by default, warnings about using np.testing without an explicit
> import, and stating which version all code will have to be switched by
> perhaps 2.0?).
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> testing.py would do a from _testing import *, but also set the flag in
> _testing to not emit warnings, because only a non-numpy (and SciPy) module
> would have imported it.
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> It isn't foolproof. If a project has multiple dependencies that use
> np.testing, and only one of them explicitly imports np.testing, then the
> warning becomes hidden for the non-compliant parts. However, if we make
> sure that the core SciPy projects use np._testing, it would go a long way
> to get the word out.
>
> Again, I am just throwing it out there as an idea. The speedups we are
> getting right now so far are nice, so it is entirely possible that this
> kludge is just not worth the last remaining bits of extra time.
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>
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out. Darwinian selection in action.>. It is the continuation of your
nanmean, nanvar, and nanstd work.

Chuck
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