[Numpy-discussion] Remove bento from numpy

[David Cournapeau]

On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Julian Taylor <jtaylor.debian at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> On 05.07.2014 19:11, David Cournapeau wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Julian Taylor
> > <jtaylor.debian at googlemail.com <mailto:jtaylor.debian at googlemail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     On 05.07.2014 18:40, David Cournapeau wrote:
> >     > The efforts are on average less demanding than this discussion. We
> are
> >     > talking about adding entries to a list in most cases...
> >     >
> >     > Also, while adding the optimization support for bento, I've
> >     noticed that
> >     > a lot of the related distutils code is broken, and does not work as
> >     > expected on at least OS X + clang.
> >
> >     It just spits out a lot of warnings but they are harmless.
> >
> >
> > Adding lots of warnings are not harmless as they render the compiler
> > warning system near useless (too many false alarms).
> >
>
> true but until now we haven't received a single complaint nor fixes so
> probably not many developers are actually using macs/clang to work on
> numpy C code.
>

Not many people are working on numpy C code period :)

FWIW, clang is now the standard OS X compiler since Maverick (Apple in all
its wisdom made gcc an alias to clang...).

David


> But I do agree its bad and I have fixing that on my todo list, I didn't
> get around to it yet.
>
> > I will fix the checks for both distutils and bento (using the autoconf
> > macros setup, which should be more reliable than what we use for builtin
> > and __attribute__-related checks)
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >     We could remove them by using with -Werror=attribute for the
> conftests
> >     if it really bothers someone.
> >     Or do you mean something else?
> >
> >     >
> >     > David
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Nathaniel Smith <njs at pobox.com
> >     <mailto:njs at pobox.com>
> >     > <mailto:njs at pobox.com <mailto:njs at pobox.com>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:21 PM, David Cournapeau
> >     <cournape at gmail.com <mailto:cournape at gmail.com>
> >     >     <mailto:cournape at gmail.com <mailto:cournape at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     > On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Nathaniel Smith
> >     <njs at pobox.com <mailto:njs at pobox.com>
> >     >     <mailto:njs at pobox.com <mailto:njs at pobox.com>>> wrote:
> >     >     >>
> >     >     >> Maybe bento will revive and take over the new python
> >     packaging world!
> >     >     >> Maybe not. Maybe something else will. I don't see how our
> >     support for
> >     >     >> it will really affect these outcomes in any way. And I
> >     especially
> >     >     >> don't see why it's important to spend time *now* on keeping
> >     bento
> >     >     >> working, just in case it becomes useful *later*.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > But it is working right now, so that argument is moot.
> >     >
> >     >     My suggestion was that we should drop the rule that a patch
> has to
> >     >     keep bento working to be merged. We're talking about future
> >     breakages
> >     >     and future effort. The fact that it's working now doesn't say
> >     anything
> >     >     about whether it's worth continuing to invest time in it.
> >     >
> >     >     --
> >     >     Nathaniel J. Smith
> >     >     Postdoctoral researcher - Informatics - University of Edinburgh
> >     >     http://vorpus.org
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