[Numpy-discussion] adding Quansight Labs as institutional partner

Ralf Gommers ralf.gommers at gmail.com
Tue Apr 9 12:25:13 EDT 2019

Thanks Alan, good questions. The donations via the Flipcause site go to
NumFOCUS. NumFOCUS is a 501(c)3 and NumPy's fiscal sponsor, so any
individual or institution that wants to donate to NumPy should preferably
donate to NumFOCUS. That way your donation is tax-deductable if you're in
the US, and it can be used in a way that the NumPy Steering Council prefers.

Quansight Labs is not a nonprofit and it doesn't make much sense for it to
focus on donations. That said, it does have a very capable team, so could
contract with NumFOCUS to do work on NumPy, if the NumPy Steering Council
thinks that's in NumPy's best interest (e.g. for developing a particular

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 6:05 PM Alan Isaac <alan.isaac at gmail.com> wrote:

> Under the section "How will we fund this?" in the first Quansight link,
> there is not category of "individual and institutional donations".
> I noticed this because the question recently arose at my university,
> how can the university occasionally donate to NumPy development?

We should talk:) Anything we can do as a project to make that easier should
be done. Also if you need an invoice or purchase order from NumFOCUS, I
believe that can be easily arranged (and has been arranged for other
projects in the past).

In order for this to happen, the recipient of the donation and the
> intended use of the funds must be transparently documented.  As an
> example, suppose one goes to numpy.org and scrolls down (!?) to
> the "Donate to Numpy" button.  It is entirely unclear what that
> means, and clicking the button leads to a flipcause site that fails
> to clarify.

The numpy.org donation button needs to be overhauled anyway, because
NumFOCUS is switching away from Flipcause. At the same time we can clarify
on that page where donation go and how we then decide to use that funding.

> I suspect many academic institutions would be interested
> in making occasional, modest contributions toward NumPy development,
> if the recipient and intended uses were entirely transparent.

I think academic institutions or the people in it may have a lot of
goodwill towards NumPy, however as a project we historically have been very
bad at communicating needs and asking for donations. That button doesn't
really do much; our average donation level is like $50/month. I actually
would like to improve that. E.g. if we have a good story and ask people
whose research relies on NumPy (or other core projects) to build say a 0.5%
software support item in their grant requests, that could turn into a
decent revenue stream, which will then help with maintenance and
accelerating development of new features on our roadmap.


> Cheers, Alan Isaac
> On 4/9/2019 3:10 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Last week I joined Quansight. In Quansight Labs I will be working on
> increasing the contributions to core SciPy/PyData projects, and will also
> have funded time to work on NumPy and
> > other projects myself. Hameer Abbasi has had and will continue to have
> funded time to work on NumPy as well. So I have submitted a pull request
> (gh-13289) to add Quansight Labs as
> > an Institutional Partner (we list those at
> https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/dev/governance/people.html#institutional-partners,
> currently only BIDS).
> >
> > Both Travis and I wrote blog posts about where we want to go with
> Quansight Labs. Given the relevance to NumPy I thought it would be
> appropriate to reference those posts here:
> > -
> https://www.quansight.com/single-post/2019/04/02/Welcoming-Ralf-Gommers-as-Director-of-Quansight-Labs
> > <
> https://www.quansight.com/single-post/2019/04/02/Welcoming-Ralf-Gommers-as-Director-of-Quansight-Labs
> >
> > - https://labs.quansight.org/blog/2019/4/joining-labs/
> >
> > Any feedback, suggestion or idea is very welcome.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ralf
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