From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Jul  1 03:43:10 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:43:10 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Django Talk
In-Reply-To: <EDB224B3-87F9-4D0D-AAD5-2315153E42B1@hostetlerhome.com>
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I know it will be a great talk.  You did a bang up job at the Python meeting.

Best Wishes,

Jeff

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Mike Hostetler <mike at hostetlerhome.com> wrote:
> I'm giving my Django talk to the Omaha Dynamic Language Group on Tuesday at
> 7pm.  It will be basically the same as the talk I gave to this group a few
> months ago, only I'm going to compare a little with Ruby on Rails because
> there are a lot of Rails users in that group and I know a bit more about
> Rails than when I gave my last talk (in short: I still like Django better)
>
> See the site below for more details:
> http://odynug.blainebuxton.com/
>
> Mike Hostetler
> mike at hostetlerhome.com
> http://mike.hostetlerhome.com
>
>
>
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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Jul  1 03:47:43 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:47:43 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0806301847j56105dbbg3c8d3f60c277dd75@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick question: With the 4th of July so close to the meeting,
how many people are planning on attending?  I know that there are
often lots of plans this time of year, so if turnout is going to be
low, I was going to suggest canceling July's meeting and just resuming
again in August.  What do you think?  We'll have to decide quick
because I need to get it posted to the website if we do end up
canceling July's meeting.

If you are planning on coming, say something and suggest a topic.

-Jeff

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web: www.dundeemt.com
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From choman at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 15:26:52 2008
From: choman at gmail.com (Chad Homan)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:26:52 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Omaha Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1214906407.18003.omaha@python.org>
References: <mailman.27.1214906407.18003.omaha@python.org>
Message-ID: <d74b4e610807010626k794bf949gd8dde500e69d91ad@mail.gmail.com>

I will be unable to attend the meeting as I am in Colorado Springs on
business.    Fly back on Thurs.

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> I know it will be a great talk.  You did a bang up job at the Python
> meeting.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Mike Hostetler <mike at hostetlerhome.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm giving my Django talk to the Omaha Dynamic Language Group on Tuesday
> at
> > 7pm.  It will be basically the same as the talk I gave to this group a
> few
> > months ago, only I'm going to compare a little with Ruby on Rails because
> > there are a lot of Rails users in that group and I know a bit more about
> > Rails than when I gave my last talk (in short: I still like Django
> better)
> >
> > See the site below for more details:
> > http://odynug.blainebuxton.com/
> >
> > Mike Hostetler
> > mike at hostetlerhome.com
> > http://mike.hostetlerhome.com
> >
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:47:43 -0500
> From: "Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T" <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
> Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
> To: "Omaha Python Users Group" <omaha at python.org>
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> Just a quick question: With the 4th of July so close to the meeting,
> how many people are planning on attending?  I know that there are
> often lots of plans this time of year, so if turnout is going to be
> low, I was going to suggest canceling July's meeting and just resuming
> again in August.  What do you think?  We'll have to decide quick
> because I need to get it posted to the website if we do end up
> canceling July's meeting.
>
> If you are planning on coming, say something and suggest a topic.
>
> -Jeff
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
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From elicriffield at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 17:04:14 2008
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:04:14 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0806301847j56105dbbg3c8d3f60c277dd75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0806301847j56105dbbg3c8d3f60c277dd75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0807010804x4fc8b3e7l6e9c4bb08dab5f0f@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be attending if we have it.

Eli

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> Just a quick question: With the 4th of July so close to the meeting,
> how many people are planning on attending?  I know that there are
> often lots of plans this time of year, so if turnout is going to be
> low, I was going to suggest canceling July's meeting and just resuming
> again in August.  What do you think?  We'll have to decide quick
> because I need to get it posted to the website if we do end up
> canceling July's meeting.
>
> If you are planning on coming, say something and suggest a topic.
>
> -Jeff
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
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From JeffH at delasco.com  Tue Jul  1 21:03:19 2008
From: JeffH at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:03:19 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
In-Reply-To: <18e3f33d0807010804x4fc8b3e7l6e9c4bb08dab5f0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF8190@lilo.delasco.pri>

Right now it appears to be just Eli and myself -- anyone else planning
on coming?
Eli if you are up for it, so am I.  

So, the meeting is on.  The topic is "Open Forum" so bring your
questions and we'll see you there.

-Jeff 

-----Original Message-----
From: omaha-bounces at python.org [mailto:omaha-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Eli Criffield
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:04 AM
To: Omaha Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...

I'll be attending if we have it.

Eli

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> Just a quick question: With the 4th of July so close to the meeting,
> how many people are planning on attending?  I know that there are
> often lots of plans this time of year, so if turnout is going to be
> low, I was going to suggest canceling July's meeting and just resuming
> again in August.  What do you think?  We'll have to decide quick
> because I need to get it posted to the website if we do end up
> canceling July's meeting.
>
> If you are planning on coming, say something and suggest a topic.
>
> -Jeff
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
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From elicriffield at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 21:22:46 2008
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:22:46 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
In-Reply-To: <94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF8190@lilo.delasco.pri>
References: <18e3f33d0807010804x4fc8b3e7l6e9c4bb08dab5f0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF8190@lilo.delasco.pri>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0807011222u3d66eac5v62aff047809aeae3@mail.gmail.com>

What if i promised some google swag would that help?

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Jeff Hinrichs <JeffH at delasco.com> wrote:
> Right now it appears to be just Eli and myself -- anyone else planning
> on coming?
> Eli if you are up for it, so am I.
>
> So, the meeting is on.  The topic is "Open Forum" so bring your
> questions and we'll see you there.
>
> -Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: omaha-bounces at python.org [mailto:omaha-bounces at python.org] On
> Behalf Of Eli Criffield
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:04 AM
> To: Omaha Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
>
> I'll be attending if we have it.
>
> Eli
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>> Just a quick question: With the 4th of July so close to the meeting,
>> how many people are planning on attending?  I know that there are
>> often lots of plans this time of year, so if turnout is going to be
>> low, I was going to suggest canceling July's meeting and just resuming
>> again in August.  What do you think?  We'll have to decide quick
>> because I need to get it posted to the website if we do end up
>> canceling July's meeting.
>>
>> If you are planning on coming, say something and suggest a topic.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Hinrichs
>> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> 402.218.1473
>> web: www.dundeemt.com
>> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From luke at dashjr.org  Wed Jul  2 04:38:48 2008
From: luke at dashjr.org (Luke -Jr)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:38:48 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
In-Reply-To: <18e3f33d0807011222u3d66eac5v62aff047809aeae3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18e3f33d0807010804x4fc8b3e7l6e9c4bb08dab5f0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF8190@lilo.delasco.pri>
	<18e3f33d0807011222u3d66eac5v62aff047809aeae3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807012138.52919.luke@dashjr.org>

On Tuesday 01 July 2008, Eli Criffield wrote:
> What if i promised some google swag would that help?

Maybe if you promised a well-paying Google job... ;)

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Wed Jul  2 19:43:12 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:43:12 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
In-Reply-To: <200807012138.52919.luke@dashjr.org>
References: <18e3f33d0807010804x4fc8b3e7l6e9c4bb08dab5f0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF8190@lilo.delasco.pri>
	<18e3f33d0807011222u3d66eac5v62aff047809aeae3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807012138.52919.luke@dashjr.org>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0807021043x6f2f788cicb9e5af3029f88c2@mail.gmail.com>

I have been playing around with CouchDB and Python.  I can give a
lightening talk about what CouchDB is and what I've learned with the
Python interface.

Eli, do  you have anything you would like to give a lightening talk about?

-Jeff

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Luke -Jr <luke at dashjr.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 July 2008, Eli Criffield wrote:
>> What if i promised some google swag would that help?
>
> Maybe if you promised a well-paying Google job... ;)
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From elicriffield at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 23:01:41 2008
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:01:41 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0807021043x6f2f788cicb9e5af3029f88c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18e3f33d0807010804x4fc8b3e7l6e9c4bb08dab5f0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF8190@lilo.delasco.pri>
	<18e3f33d0807011222u3d66eac5v62aff047809aeae3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807012138.52919.luke@dashjr.org>
	<5aaed53f0807021043x6f2f788cicb9e5af3029f88c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0807021401h31c13e51w816dffb3b2352a1d@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like i won't be able to make it tonight. :(

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> I have been playing around with CouchDB and Python.  I can give a
> lightening talk about what CouchDB is and what I've learned with the
> Python interface.
>
> Eli, do  you have anything you would like to give a lightening talk about?
>
> -Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Luke -Jr <luke at dashjr.org> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 01 July 2008, Eli Criffield wrote:
>>> What if i promised some google swag would that help?
>>
>> Maybe if you promised a well-paying Google job... ;)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Wed Jul  2 23:26:27 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:26:27 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Upcoming meeting...
In-Reply-To: <18e3f33d0807021401h31c13e51w816dffb3b2352a1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18e3f33d0807010804x4fc8b3e7l6e9c4bb08dab5f0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF8190@lilo.delasco.pri>
	<18e3f33d0807011222u3d66eac5v62aff047809aeae3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807012138.52919.luke@dashjr.org>
	<5aaed53f0807021043x6f2f788cicb9e5af3029f88c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<18e3f33d0807021401h31c13e51w816dffb3b2352a1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0807021426v55048721h1039d7e20016f83@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hear that, hope all is ok.

-Jeff

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Eli Criffield <elicriffield at gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like i won't be able to make it tonight. :(
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>> I have been playing around with CouchDB and Python.  I can give a
>> lightening talk about what CouchDB is and what I've learned with the
>> Python interface.
>>
>> Eli, do  you have anything you would like to give a lightening talk about?
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Luke -Jr <luke at dashjr.org> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 01 July 2008, Eli Criffield wrote:
>>>> What if i promised some google swag would that help?
>>>
>>> Maybe if you promised a well-paying Google job... ;)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>> Omaha at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Hinrichs
>> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> 402.218.1473
>> web: www.dundeemt.com
>> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Jul  3 16:17:37 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:17:37 -0500
Subject: [omaha] CouchDB
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080807030717y40b76605xb2e4ccf2b57ce4c1@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> I have been playing around with CouchDB and Python.  I can give a
> lightening talk about what CouchDB is and what I've learned with the
> Python interface.

I'd be interested in hearing your experiences with this. I've played
with it too, but just enough to excite the imagination, not really
create anything useful. To me it feels like a very high quality ORM
with out a need for the gritty SQL abstraction layer in the middle.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Jul  8 04:48:15 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:48:15 -0500
Subject: [omaha] CouchDB
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080807030717y40b76605xb2e4ccf2b57ce4c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080807030717y40b76605xb2e4ccf2b57ce4c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0807071948o538cb8dbo2bdfb7cb114eb028@mail.gmail.com>

I'll post more on it as I go.  Right now the couchdb crew are making
some changes to attachments -- which is a good thing, since even
though attachments are supported, they are not available via Futon
(the web admin interface) nor couchdb-python module.  All in all,
pretty good timing.  I'm playing with a project to archive documents
(pdfs).  While pdfs support meta data (to a degree) that support
varies wildly with what version the pdf is created. Other times that
I've done similar projects, I've stored the meta-data in a database
and hashed the storage location for the actual pdfs.  It works, its
searchable, its usable, but its very fragile -- and then on top of it,
you need to write your access stuff for a browser based client.  Not
to mention, replication.  I've rolled my own before and lets just say
I see the value in having someone else do the heavy lifting on that
one<g>

If couchdb works the way I think/hope/expect it will, this type of
project will become trivial.  I am planning on using the stock couchdb
set up with javascript for views, etc to start.  The views are now
language independent.  They default to javascript, but there are
already Python and Ruby implementations to handle the map/reduce
functions for views.  couchdb-python comes with the necessary script
to implement python based views.

Currently, things are on a slow burn, lots of admin stuff at work
right now and this project is definitely a skunk work style project.
I normally do the really cutting edge stuff after hours -- not all of
it pans out.

On a completely different tack, anyone out there use svk?  We use
subversion internally but recently I've come to the conclusion that
some of our projects would be well served with some distributed vcs
capabilities.  I've looked at hg and bzr but svk seems to get me what
I'm after and melds well with subversion.  Anyone else using
subversion + dcvs?

-jeff

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>> I have been playing around with CouchDB and Python.  I can give a
>> lightening talk about what CouchDB is and what I've learned with the
>> Python interface.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing your experiences with this. I've played
> with it too, but just enough to excite the imagination, not really
> create anything useful. To me it feels like a very high quality ORM
> with out a need for the gritty SQL abstraction layer in the middle.
>
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue Jul  8 06:24:26 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:24:26 -0500
Subject: [omaha] CouchDB
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0807071948o538cb8dbo2bdfb7cb114eb028@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080807030717y40b76605xb2e4ccf2b57ce4c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5aaed53f0807071948o538cb8dbo2bdfb7cb114eb028@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080807072124u454d2d1ao60b43527fdc8bc8e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> If couchdb works the way I think/hope/expect it will, this type of
> project will become trivial.

Did you feel constrained by the lack of a relational model? This part
seems the most mysterious to me because of my ingrained concept of
rdbms.

> On a completely different tack, anyone out there use svk?  We use
> subversion internally but recently I've come to the conclusion that
> some of our projects would be well served with some distributed vcs
> capabilities.

There's a nice plugin for bzr that lets you use it as a front end for
subversion. Definitely worth investigation. I've switched to using bzr
for most of my work and I find using subversion alone very
frustrating. It seems so archaic for commits to require a connection
to the server.

http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion

>From a technical perspective, Bzr is an awesome piece of python code.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Jul  8 15:17:29 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:17:29 -0500
Subject: [omaha] CouchDB
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080807072124u454d2d1ao60b43527fdc8bc8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080807030717y40b76605xb2e4ccf2b57ce4c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5aaed53f0807071948o538cb8dbo2bdfb7cb114eb028@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080807072124u454d2d1ao60b43527fdc8bc8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0807080617w131d1dfdqbdce09f7c4979333@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>> If couchdb works the way I think/hope/expect it will, this type of
>> project will become trivial.
>
> Did you feel constrained by the lack of a relational model? This part
> seems the most mysterious to me because of my ingrained concept of
> rdbms.
I haven't used it enough to give a good response to your question.
I've played with AppEngine, which also doesn't support joins.  And
I've been programming long enough to have used file based database
managers -- ala btrieve type mechanisms which didn't have or enforce
relational concepts -- so, I don't think the mental leap is going to
be noticeable.  However, the CouchDB people will be the first to tell
you that CouchDB is not a replacement for relational databases.  So
not all problem domains fit within the scope of the project.

Currently my mental picture of CouchDB is along the lines of BeFS -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_File_System . This is a poor picture
as Couch is both more and less but both share many of the same
attributes, that are important to me for the current project.
Extended Meta data, ability to query on that meta data in an ad hoc
fashion and extremely short recovery time in the event of power loss.

>> On a completely different tack, anyone out there use svk?  We use
>> subversion internally but recently I've come to the conclusion that
>> some of our projects would be well served with some distributed vcs
>> capabilities.
>
> There's a nice plugin for bzr that lets you use it as a front end for
> subversion. Definitely worth investigation. I've switched to using bzr
> for most of my work and I find using subversion alone very
> frustrating. It seems so archaic for commits to require a connection
> to the server.
>
> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion
>
> >From a technical perspective, Bzr is an awesome piece of python code.
Have you used Bzr + svn with this plugin?  How different did you find
the commands?
Ok, now that was a dumb question after I googled and discovered your
connection with Canonical.

Too bad Des Moines is 2 hours away, makes coming to meetings a non-starter.<g>

-Jeff
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue Jul  8 15:53:49 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:53:49 -0500
Subject: [omaha] CouchDB
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0807080617w131d1dfdqbdce09f7c4979333@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080807030717y40b76605xb2e4ccf2b57ce4c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5aaed53f0807071948o538cb8dbo2bdfb7cb114eb028@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080807072124u454d2d1ao60b43527fdc8bc8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<5aaed53f0807080617w131d1dfdqbdce09f7c4979333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080807080653o4fc636c8n10743beb33d369c9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>> There's a nice plugin for bzr that lets you use it as a front end for
>> subversion. Definitely worth investigation. I've switched to using bzr
>> for most of my work and I find using subversion alone very
>> frustrating. It seems so archaic for commits to require a connection
>> to the server.
>>
>> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion

> Have you used Bzr + svn with this plugin?  How different did you find
> the commands?
> Ok, now that was a dumb question after I googled and discovered your
> connection with Canonical.

I used bzr + svn a while back but I don't know if it was this plugin
or an older one. I've since deleted it. Basically you just use the
normal bzr interface.

I didn't want to mention the Canonical connection because I felt it
would cheapen my endorsement of bzr (if you felt I used it because I
had to). It really is a great product. I've not used other dvcs tools
except when I copy and pasted commands from some open source website
in order to get their code. So I've used git and hg very briefly. As
far as I can tell they work about the same. I can't say which is
better but the fact that bzr has a cool logo (which I made from a
picture of an Iowa highway sign :-) should definitely sway your
opinion. ;-) The biggest change is going from a centralized vcs to
dvcs.

> Too bad Des Moines is 2 hours away, makes coming to meetings a non-starter.<g>
>

I will work on getting out there. The 2 hours isn't the biggest
barrier, it's more the combination of family and other commitments.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode

From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue Jul  8 23:41:34 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:41:34 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Fwd: [ISPConfig] ISPConfig 2.2.24 released
In-Reply-To: <1953898146@newsletter.howtoforge.com>
References: <1953898146@newsletter.howtoforge.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080807081441i489c5a2fo1f9b02abe06c1af@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, django (or your python web app) world domination is one step closer!


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ISPConfig Newsletter <newsletter at ispconfig.org>
Date: Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Subject: [ISPConfig] ISPConfig 2.2.24 released
To: ISPConfig Newsletter <newsletter at ispconfig.org>

ISPConfig 2.2.24 is available for download.

This ISPConfig release adds support for CentOS 5.2 and OpenSuSE 11.0.
A new interface for cronjobs and support for mod_python has been
added. Several minor bugs were fixed.

[...]

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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Wed Jul  9 02:54:45 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:54:45 -0500
Subject: [omaha] CouchDB
In-Reply-To: <f3c0b4080807080653o4fc636c8n10743beb33d369c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f3c0b4080807030717y40b76605xb2e4ccf2b57ce4c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5aaed53f0807071948o538cb8dbo2bdfb7cb114eb028@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080807072124u454d2d1ao60b43527fdc8bc8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<5aaed53f0807080617w131d1dfdqbdce09f7c4979333@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3c0b4080807080653o4fc636c8n10743beb33d369c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0807081754w2740aa0l94bcc8ee417b4117@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>>> There's a nice plugin for bzr that lets you use it as a front end for
>>> subversion. Definitely worth investigation. I've switched to using bzr
>>> for most of my work and I find using subversion alone very
>>> frustrating. It seems so archaic for commits to require a connection
>>> to the server.
>>>
>>> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion
>
>> Have you used Bzr + svn with this plugin?  How different did you find
>> the commands?
>> Ok, now that was a dumb question after I googled and discovered your
>> connection with Canonical.
>
> I used bzr + svn a while back but I don't know if it was this plugin
> or an older one. I've since deleted it. Basically you just use the
> normal bzr interface.
>
> I didn't want to mention the Canonical connection because I felt it
> would cheapen my endorsement of bzr (if you felt I used it because I
> had to). It really is a great product. I've not used other dvcs tools
> except when I copy and pasted commands from some open source website
> in order to get their code. So I've used git and hg very briefly. As
> far as I can tell they work about the same. I can't say which is
> better but the fact that bzr has a cool logo (which I made from a
> picture of an Iowa highway sign :-) should definitely sway your
> opinion. ;-) The biggest change is going from a centralized vcs to
> dvcs.
Your endorsement isn't any less in my view because of Canonical --
others may disagree, but developers who actually use things don't tend
to stretch the truth about their tools.   In general, techs tend to be
more honest and nuanced about what they use and what they like --
marketroids (people who pitch stuff they don't use personally), don't
give off the same vibe when they are talking about a technical matter.
>> Too bad Des Moines is 2 hours away, makes coming to meetings a non-starter.<g>
>>
>
> I will work on getting out there. The 2 hours isn't the biggest
> barrier, it's more the combination of family and other commitments.
That would be great -- we'd even make room for you to talk if have
something you would like to present.  You could even show off Bzr,
maybe get canonical to comp you the time<g>.  During the summer, the
meetings are much smaller.  In fact, with the last meeting so close to
the Holiday -- I ended up being the only one there. (First time that
has happened.)  It was my fault, the meeting sneaked up on me and
there wasn't enough time to change the date -- live and learn<g>

>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode
> _______________________________________________
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> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
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From cbc at unc.edu  Mon Jul 14 17:51:02 2008
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:51:02 -0400
Subject: [omaha] BootCampArama Final Reminder
Message-ID: <67D60D64-EECB-4347-81FC-E1C3F413992B@unc.edu>

Final reminder, we're in the last two weeks of open registration for  
PyCamp, Plone Boot Camp, and Advanced Plone Boot Camp:

http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/2008/

Registration is now open for:

PyCamp: Python Boot Camp, August 4 - 8

Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone, July 28 - August 1

Advanced Plone Boot Camp: Plone 3 Techniques, August 4 - 7

All of these take place on the campus of the University of North  
Carolina at Chapel Hill in state of the art high tech classrooms, with  
free mass transit, low-cost accommodations with free wireless, and  
convenient dining options.

Plone Boot Camp is taught by Joel Burton, twice chair of the Plone  
Foundation. Joel has logged more the 200 days at the head of Plone  
classrooms on four continents. See plonebootcamps.com for dozens of  
testimonials from Joel's students.

PyCamp is taught by Chris Calloway, facilitator for TriZPUG and  
application analyst for the Southeast Coastal Ocean Observing System.  
Chris has developed PyCamp for over 1500 hours on behalf of Python  
user groups. Early bird registration runs through June 30. So register  
today!

PyCamp is TriZPUG's Python Boot Camp, which takes a programmer  
familiar with basic programming concepts to the status of Python  
developer with one week of training. If you have previous scripting or  
programming experience and want to step into Python programming as  
quickly and painlessly as possible, this boot camp is for you. PyCamp  
is also the perfect follow-on to Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone  
the previous week.

At Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone you will learn the essentials  
you need to build your Plone site and deploy it. This course is the  
most popular in the Plone world--for a good reason: it teaches you  
practical skills in a friendly, hands-on format. This bootcamp is  
aimed at:
     * people with HTML or web design experience
     * people with some or no Python experience
     * people with some or no Zope/Plone experience
It covers using Plone, customizing, and deploying Plone sites.

At Advanced Plone Boot Camp: Plone 3 Techniques you will learn to  
build a site using the best practices of Plone 3 as well as advance  
your skills in scripting and developing for Plone. The course covers  
the new technologies in Plone 3.0 and 3.1intended for site integrators  
and developers: our new portlet infrastructure, viewlets, versioning,  
and a friendly introduction to Zope 3 component architecture. Now,  
updated for Plone 3.1! The course is intended for people who have  
experience with the basics of Plone site development and HTML/CSS. It  
will cover what you need to know to take advantage of these new  
technologies in Plone 3.

For more information contact: info at trizpug.org

-- 
Sincerely,
Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599