From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue May  6 04:48:12 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:48:12 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting -- Wed, May 7th @ 7pm
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805051948w2fe0bd9fmadf8a5dc46580a8d@mail.gmail.com>

The next meeting is fast approaching and we are looking for some one
to speak.  So if you have a topic you would like to speak on, speak
up!

I'll throw out the first, Google App Engine.   Announced less than a
month ago, App Engine is Python powered web environment, that is
hosted and scaled by Google.




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From elicriffield at gmail.com  Tue May  6 16:23:01 2008
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:23:01 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting -- Wed,
	May 7th @ 7pm
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805051948w2fe0bd9fmadf8a5dc46580a8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805051948w2fe0bd9fmadf8a5dc46580a8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0805060723s7a477979ub182a05e30ae0118@mail.gmail.com>

I would love to hear about Google App Engine.

Eli

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> The next meeting is fast approaching and we are looking for some one
>  to speak.  So if you have a topic you would like to speak on, speak
>  up!
>
>  I'll throw out the first, Google App Engine.   Announced less than a
>  month ago, App Engine is Python powered web environment, that is
>  hosted and scaled by Google.
>
>
>
>
>  --
>  Jeff Hinrichs
>  Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>  jeffh at dundeemt.com
>  402.218.1473
>  web: www.dundeemt.com
>  blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>  _______________________________________________
>  Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>  Omaha at python.org
>  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>  http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Wed May  7 19:52:19 2008
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:52:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [omaha] The gzip module is my new best friend
Message-ID: <45315.69.58.248.102.1210182739.squirrel@email.powweb.com>



?. . . at least for now.

Has anyone been using this module
for a long time?? I just discovered it and, man is it useful. I have
a ton of large files that are gzipped (and still 11MB . . ) and I just do
"gzip.open(filename)" and then I just treat it like a regular
file.? No gzipping it into another directory, no management of
anything -- just treat it like a file.

http://www.python.org/doc/lib/module-gzip.html


From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed May  7 21:10:21 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:10:21 -0500
Subject: [omaha] The gzip module is my new best friend
In-Reply-To: <45315.69.58.248.102.1210182739.squirrel@email.powweb.com>
References: <45315.69.58.248.102.1210182739.squirrel@email.powweb.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080805071210g432d73d8m1cdec08ac3058ec7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Mike Hostetler <mike at hostetlerhome.com> wrote:
>  Has anyone been using this module
>  for a long time?  I just discovered it and, man is it useful. I have
>  a ton of large files that are gzipped (and still 11MB . . ) and I just do
>  "gzip.open(filename)" and then I just treat it like a regular
>  file.  No gzipping it into another directory, no management of
>  anything -- just treat it like a file.

Yes, it's very nice. I've been using it for a over 2 years on my log
processing virtual machine. My log files we getting so big and during
the processing phase there might be up to three copies of the log. My
disk usage dropped to 1/10th using gzip.

Interestingly, the same project taught me two other key things...
switching from SQL storage to in memory dictionaries cut the
processing time for one log file down from over 24 hours to under 30m.
The SQL technique worked like this:

if the record is in the database, grab its id
if not, insert the record and then grab its id
(repeated 8 times for each foreign key field from my log entry)
insert the log entry with foreign key references into the database

(these logs were for browser statistics and there were a bunch of records)

Some of the dictionaries were getting too big and causing me to swap
so I evaluated gdbm hash tables which work just like in memory
dictionaries except they live on disk (or in fs cache). Switching from
dictionaries to gdbm only increased the time to process one log file
to about 45 min. Still far less than the > 24 hours previously.

After processing the log data was then fed into the sql database in
bulk for olap style reporting. The 45m included the time to
synchronise the hashes with the sql database, but this went very fast
(under 2m or so).

Optimization is so fun.
-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode

From netarttodd at gmail.com  Wed May  7 23:58:33 2008
From: netarttodd at gmail.com (Todd Christopher Hamilton)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:58:33 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting -- Wed,
	May 7th @ 7pm
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805051948w2fe0bd9fmadf8a5dc46580a8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805051948w2fe0bd9fmadf8a5dc46580a8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1fdb7d920805071458h3aa92402j1ecddb0534723cf2@mail.gmail.com>

Where will the meeting be held?

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
wrote:

> The next meeting is fast approaching and we are looking for some one
> to speak.  So if you have a topic you would like to speak on, speak
> up!
>
> I'll throw out the first, Google App Engine.   Announced less than a
> month ago, App Engine is Python powered web environment, that is
> hosted and scaled by Google.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
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(402) 660-2787

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Thu May  8 00:58:44 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 17:58:44 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Omaha Python Users Group Meeting -- Wed,
	May 7th @ 7pm
In-Reply-To: <1fdb7d920805071458h3aa92402j1ecddb0534723cf2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805051948w2fe0bd9fmadf8a5dc46580a8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1fdb7d920805071458h3aa92402j1ecddb0534723cf2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805071558m176c2231maa281c0122cf6276@mail.gmail.com>

Where:
Roskens Hall (College of Business Administration), Room 402
University of Nebraska at Omaha
6000 Dodge Street
Omaha Nebraska 68104

Other details can be found on the web site,  http://www.omahapython.org/


-Jeff

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Todd Christopher Hamilton
<netarttodd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Where will the meeting be held?
>
>
>  On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> > The next meeting is fast approaching and we are looking for some one
>  > to speak.  So if you have a topic you would like to speak on, speak
>  > up!
>  >
>  > I'll throw out the first, Google App Engine.   Announced less than a
>  > month ago, App Engine is Python powered web environment, that is
>  > hosted and scaled by Google.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Jeff Hinrichs
>  > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>  > jeffh at dundeemt.com
>  > 402.218.1473
>  > web: www.dundeemt.com
>  > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>
> > _______________________________________________
>  > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>  > Omaha at python.org
>  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>  > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>  >
>
>
>
>  --
>  Todd Christopher Hamilton
>  (402) 660-2787
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>  Omaha at python.org
>  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>  http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sat May 10 07:02:17 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:02:17 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python Consultant
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805092202u4458af07n608d38fd15ca928e@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know why yet, but mailman gave Burch problems when he tried to
post this.  So I am forwarding it on to the list.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Burch Kealey <bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu>
To: omaha-bounces at python.org
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:01:19 -0500
Subject: Python Consultant
  Does anyone in the PUG either want to do or could make a
recommendation for a Python consult?

Burch T. Kealey, PhD.
RH-CBA 408-N
University of Nebraska at Omaha
6000 Dodge Street
Omaha Nebraska  68104

402-554-3571

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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sat May 17 05:22:10 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:22:10 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Fwd: Could You Post Please-Tidy help
In-Reply-To: <OFBC18CCE1.045A78D8-ON8625744B.0076A96B-8625744B.0076E742@unomaha.edu>
References: <OFBC18CCE1.045A78D8-ON8625744B.0076A96B-8625744B.0076E742@unomaha.edu>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805162022q67870d5cy3cec2fc23f9a949a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm assuming you are referring to HTML Tidy, on the sourceforge page I
found a link to a much more recent version
http://www.paehl.com/open_source/?HTML_Tidy_for_Windows  - built in
March of this year.

Have you tried that one?


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Burch Kealey <bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu>
Date: Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Subject: Could You Post Please-Tidy help
To: Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>



Is anyone using Tidy on a windows XP machine?  I have been trying to
install using the Berlios build and I get an error message that the
CBA tech guys say relates to something in Windows denying hardware
access to the program for installing.  I can't seem to find much info
out there about this.  The only installer I find for Windows was built
in 2004.  Given all of the Windows security updates I guess I am not
surprised with it not working but I am surprised no-one has fixed it
for the poor unwashed innocents like me.

Cheers

Burch

Burch T. Kealey, PhD.
RH-CBA 408-N
University of Nebraska at Omaha
6000 Dodge Street
Omaha Nebraska  68104

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From bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu  Sat May 17 06:27:31 2008
From: bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:27:31 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Tidy Help
Message-ID: <OF02985AF6.CC9D3FE3-ON8625744C.00187DFF-8625744C.00187E00@unomaha.edu>


   Sorry I should have phrased my question more carefully-I am looking
   for a Python Package for Tidy.  I see I was just asking for Tidy.  I
   have been getting some great help but have wasted too many hours this
   week trying to use Tidy and make it work from a python program.  When
   I download and install (now on three machines) I get an error message
   that suggests a virus but we are convinced it is not.

   Burch T. Kealey, PhD.
   RH-CBA 408-N
   University of Nebraska at Omaha
   6000 Dodge Street
   Omaha Nebraska  68104
   402-554-3571
   This message (including any attachments) contains confidential
   information
   intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by
   law.  If
   you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this
   message.  Any
   disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of
   any
   action based on it, is strictly prohibited.

From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Sat May 17 14:35:16 2008
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:35:16 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Tidy Help
In-Reply-To: <OF02985AF6.CC9D3FE3-ON8625744C.00187DFF-8625744C.00187E00@unomaha.edu>
References: <OF02985AF6.CC9D3FE3-ON8625744C.00187DFF-8625744C.00187E00@unomaha.edu>
Message-ID: <664FFADC-5B68-4C27-9912-953E73BD80A0@hostetlerhome.com>

I've been working with Burch on this, but I don't have a Windows  
machine.

The exact library in quesiton is uTidyLib:
http://utidylib.berlios.de/


On May 16, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Burch Kealey wrote:

>
>    Sorry I should have phrased my question more carefully-I am looking
>    for a Python Package for Tidy.  I see I was just asking for  
> Tidy.  I
>    have been getting some great help but have wasted too many hours  
> this
>    week trying to use Tidy and make it work from a python program.   
> When
>    I download and install (now on three machines) I get an error  
> message
>    that suggests a virus but we are convinced it is not.
>
>    Burch T. Kealey, PhD.
>    RH-CBA 408-N
>    University of Nebraska at Omaha
>    6000 Dodge Street
>    Omaha Nebraska  68104
>    402-554-3571
>    This message (including any attachments) contains confidential
>    information
>    intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by
>    law.  If
>    you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this
>    message.  Any
>    disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the  
> taking of
>    any
>    action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
> _______________________________________________
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> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org

Mike Hostetler
mike at hostetlerhome.com
http://mike.hostetlerhome.com




From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sat May 17 15:33:29 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:33:29 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Tidy Help
In-Reply-To: <664FFADC-5B68-4C27-9912-953E73BD80A0@hostetlerhome.com>
References: <OF02985AF6.CC9D3FE3-ON8625744C.00187DFF-8625744C.00187E00@unomaha.edu>
	<664FFADC-5B68-4C27-9912-953E73BD80A0@hostetlerhome.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805170633q4b930dd1nd19fff33a5ffc382@mail.gmail.com>

What is the goal of using tidy? Are you looking to generate well
formed html from a possibly broken input, or are you just trying to
check for well formedness?

More directly, why not BeautifulSoup?

-jeff

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Mike Hostetler <mike at hostetlerhome.com> wrote:
> I've been working with Burch on this, but I don't have a Windows machine.
>
> The exact library in quesiton is uTidyLib:
> http://utidylib.berlios.de/
>
>
> On May 16, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Burch Kealey wrote:
>
>>
>>   Sorry I should have phrased my question more carefully-I am looking
>>   for a Python Package for Tidy.  I see I was just asking for Tidy.  I
>>   have been getting some great help but have wasted too many hours this
>>   week trying to use Tidy and make it work from a python program.  When
>>   I download and install (now on three machines) I get an error message
>>   that suggests a virus but we are convinced it is not.
>>
>>   Burch T. Kealey, PhD.
>>   RH-CBA 408-N
>>   University of Nebraska at Omaha
>>   6000 Dodge Street
>>   Omaha Nebraska  68104
>>   402-554-3571
>>   This message (including any attachments) contains confidential
>>   information
>>   intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by
>>   law.  If
>>   you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this
>>   message.  Any
>>   disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of
>>   any
>>   action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>
> Mike Hostetler
> mike at hostetlerhome.com
> http://mike.hostetlerhome.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu  Sat May 17 16:10:35 2008
From: bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:10:35 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Tidy Help
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805170633q4b930dd1nd19fff33a5ffc382@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF02985AF6.CC9D3FE3-ON8625744C.00187DFF-8625744C.00187E00@unomaha.edu>	<664FFADC-5B68-4C27-9912-953E73BD80A0@hostetlerhome.com>,
	<5aaed53f0805170633q4b930dd1nd19fff33a5ffc382@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFA0BDE7BD.C9A921D7-ON8625744C.004DDFEA-8625744C.004DDFEB@unomaha.edu>


   I don't know-does BS clean up bad html for parsing?

   Burch T. Kealey, PhD.
   RH-CBA 408-N
   University of Nebraska at Omaha
   6000 Dodge Street
   Omaha Nebraska  68104
   402-554-3571
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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sat May 17 19:15:00 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:15:00 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Tidy Help
In-Reply-To: <OFA0BDE7BD.C9A921D7-ON8625744C.004DDFEA-8625744C.004DDFEB@unomaha.edu>
References: <OF02985AF6.CC9D3FE3-ON8625744C.00187DFF-8625744C.00187E00@unomaha.edu>
	<664FFADC-5B68-4C27-9912-953E73BD80A0@hostetlerhome.com>
	<5aaed53f0805170633q4b930dd1nd19fff33a5ffc382@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFA0BDE7BD.C9A921D7-ON8625744C.004DDFEA-8625744C.004DDFEB@unomaha.edu>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805171015h364a702ft600708c38e7fd438@mail.gmail.com>

Yes,

http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/documentation.html#Printing%20a%20Document

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu> wrote:
>
>   I don't know-does BS clean up bad html for parsing?
>
>   Burch T. Kealey, PhD.
>   RH-CBA 408-N
>   University of Nebraska at Omaha
>   6000 Dodge Street
>   Omaha Nebraska  68104
>   402-554-3571
>   This message (including any attachments) contains confidential
>   information
>   intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by
>   law.  If
>   you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this
>   message.  Any
>   disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of
>   any
>   action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
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From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Sun May 18 00:49:16 2008
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 17:49:16 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Tidy Help
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805171015h364a702ft600708c38e7fd438@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF02985AF6.CC9D3FE3-ON8625744C.00187DFF-8625744C.00187E00@unomaha.edu>
	<664FFADC-5B68-4C27-9912-953E73BD80A0@hostetlerhome.com>
	<5aaed53f0805170633q4b930dd1nd19fff33a5ffc382@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFA0BDE7BD.C9A921D7-ON8625744C.004DDFEA-8625744C.004DDFEB@unomaha.edu>
	<5aaed53f0805171015h364a702ft600708c38e7fd438@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42895C96-601A-44B5-8D2D-32CF39B69CB6@hostetlerhome.com>

The problem is that there are a lot of HTML files that are in  
different degrees of bad.  They are all bad, but some are different  
degrees of bad.  So we are using both Tidy and BeautifulSoup.  Tidy  
to normalize them to something sane and then BeautifuSoup to parse  
what we want out of it.   Using the Soup by itself is slow and gives  
varying results.  Using Tidy first and then the Soup is faster and  
gives us more consist results.


On May 17, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:

> Yes,
>
> http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ 
> documentation.html#Printing%20a%20Document
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Burch Kealey  
> <bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu> wrote:
>>
>>   I don't know-does BS clean up bad html for parsing?
>>
>>   Burch T. Kealey, PhD.
>>   RH-CBA 408-N
>>   University of Nebraska at Omaha
>>   6000 Dodge Street
>>   Omaha Nebraska  68104
>>   402-554-3571
>>   This message (including any attachments) contains confidential
>>   information
>>   intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by
>>   law.  If
>>   you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this
>>   message.  Any
>>   disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the  
>> taking of
>>   any
>>   action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Jeff Hinrichs
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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sun May 18 05:28:14 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 22:28:14 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Tidy Help
In-Reply-To: <42895C96-601A-44B5-8D2D-32CF39B69CB6@hostetlerhome.com>
References: <OF02985AF6.CC9D3FE3-ON8625744C.00187DFF-8625744C.00187E00@unomaha.edu>
	<664FFADC-5B68-4C27-9912-953E73BD80A0@hostetlerhome.com>
	<5aaed53f0805170633q4b930dd1nd19fff33a5ffc382@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFA0BDE7BD.C9A921D7-ON8625744C.004DDFEA-8625744C.004DDFEB@unomaha.edu>
	<5aaed53f0805171015h364a702ft600708c38e7fd438@mail.gmail.com>
	<42895C96-601A-44B5-8D2D-32CF39B69CB6@hostetlerhome.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805172028m6ec3cc9du929d7d10cf70c075@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm.  So, I'm a bit confused.  Is it the installer for utidylib that
is causing the grief?  Or are there problems using the utidylib (2004)
with a modern version of Python?

Since the tidylib bindings are apparently out of date, have you
considered using the cmd line exe and then controlling it via process?
Not quite as nice as having a proper binding to a dll, but workable.

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Mike Hostetler <mike at hostetlerhome.com> wrote:
> The problem is that there are a lot of HTML files that are in different
> degrees of bad.  They are all bad, but some are different degrees of bad.
>  So we are using both Tidy and BeautifulSoup.  Tidy to normalize them to
> something sane and then BeautifuSoup to parse what we want out of it.
> Using the Soup by itself is slow and gives varying results.  Using Tidy
> first and then the Soup is faster and gives us more consist results.
>
>
> On May 17, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
>
>> Yes,
>>
>>
>> http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/documentation.html#Printing%20a%20Document
>>
>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I don't know-does BS clean up bad html for parsing?
>>>
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From freeav8r at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 16:53:13 2008
From: freeav8r at yahoo.com (freeav8r)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [omaha] Python SOAP and Apache
Message-ID: <279663.6126.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I need to implement a number of SOAP web services in
Python for an enterprise level system (lots of
traffic).  Prototypes are up and running on cherrypy's
WSGI server without any form of connection pooling for
the database connections.

Any suggestions on what technologies and frameworks
that will allow the following:

1.  Ability to utilize existing apache web servers
2.  Connection pooling to a database for the database
connections that the web services will consume
3.  Generation of WSDL for (and compatibility with)
Python, Java, and Microsoft .net clients.

Any suggestions?  Anyone on the list already doing
this?

-freeav8r




      

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon May 19 17:15:58 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:15:58 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python SOAP and Apache
In-Reply-To: <279663.6126.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <279663.6126.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805190815y16ec62a5qa992810d5bd7696f@mail.gmail.com>

While I haven't done any SOAP with python, here are some of the things
that I know.

CherryPy can run under apache via mod_wsgi
http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/IntegrationWithCherryPy  so you
should be able to get yourself all the goodness of apache with pretty
much no code modification.

Connection Pooling: depends on the database you are using.  Is it
thread-safe?  See http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/Databases for more
insight.

regards,

Jeff

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, freeav8r <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I need to implement a number of SOAP web services in
> Python for an enterprise level system (lots of
> traffic).  Prototypes are up and running on cherrypy's
> WSGI server without any form of connection pooling for
> the database connections.
>
> Any suggestions on what technologies and frameworks
> that will allow the following:
>
> 1.  Ability to utilize existing apache web servers
> 2.  Connection pooling to a database for the database
> connections that the web services will consume
> 3.  Generation of WSDL for (and compatibility with)
> Python, Java, and Microsoft .net clients.
>
> Any suggestions?  Anyone on the list already doing
> this?
>
> -freeav8r
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



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402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From freeav8r at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 17:36:24 2008
From: freeav8r at yahoo.com (freeav8r)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:36:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [omaha] Python SOAP and Apache
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805190815y16ec62a5qa992810d5bd7696f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <309670.83834.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jeff and all,

Thanks for the response.  The WSGI mod appears to be
what we're looking for to connect to Apache.  We need
true connection pooling though since we won't know
which of many databases to connect to until the
individual request is processed.

If we are to run the CherryPy application as WSGI in
apache without requiring the internal CherryPy engine
to be run (this appears to be the most efficent
setup), any suggestions on implementing connection
pooling with apache and mysql so that the python
application has access to the connections?



-freeav8r


--- Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:

> While I haven't done any SOAP with python, here are
> some of the things
> that I know.
> 
> CherryPy can run under apache via mod_wsgi
>
http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/IntegrationWithCherryPy
>  so you
> should be able to get yourself all the goodness of
> apache with pretty
> much no code modification.
> 
> Connection Pooling: depends on the database you are
> using.  Is it
> thread-safe?  See
> http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/Databases for more
> insight.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, freeav8r
> <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I need to implement a number of SOAP web services
> in
> > Python for an enterprise level system (lots of
> > traffic).  Prototypes are up and running on
> cherrypy's
> > WSGI server without any form of connection pooling
> for
> > the database connections.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what technologies and
> frameworks
> > that will allow the following:
> >
> > 1.  Ability to utilize existing apache web servers
> > 2.  Connection pooling to a database for the
> database
> > connections that the web services will consume
> > 3.  Generation of WSDL for (and compatibility
> with)
> > Python, Java, and Microsoft .net clients.
> >
> > Any suggestions?  Anyone on the list already doing
> > this?
> >
> > -freeav8r
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> 



      

From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Mon May 19 17:45:14 2008
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:45:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [omaha] Python SOAP and Apache
In-Reply-To: <309670.83834.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <309670.83834.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <36544.69.58.248.102.1211211914.squirrel@email.powweb.com>



Once upon a time, I did the opposite of what you are doing -- I wrote some
Python web service clients to test Java and .Net Web Services.

The ZSI package has great support for both server and client.? I
remember thinking that it was pretty server-centric when I messed with
it:
http://pywebsvcs.sourceforge.net/

If I remember
correctly, the client worked better against Java than .Net, tho I never
really understood why.

You may also want to use Push To
Test,? in which you give it a WSDL and it makes a test for you.?
You can customize the script via jython:

http://www.pushtotest.com/Docs/downloads/pushtotest-for-developers


freeav8r wrote:
> Hi Jeff and all,
> 
> Thanks for the response.  The WSGI mod appears to be
> what
we're looking for to connect to Apache.  We need
> true connection
pooling though since we won't know
> which of many databases to
connect to until the
> individual request is processed.
>

> If we are to run the CherryPy application as WSGI in
>
apache without requiring the internal CherryPy engine
> to be run
(this appears to be the most efficent
> setup), any suggestions on
implementing connection
> pooling with apache and mysql so that
the python
> application has access to the connections?
>

> 
> 
> -freeav8r
> 
> 
>
--- Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>

>> While I haven't done any SOAP with python, here are
>> some of the things
>> that I know.
>>
>> CherryPy can run under apache via mod_wsgi
>>
> http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/IntegrationWithCherryPy
>>  so you
>> should be able to get yourself all the
goodness of
>> apache with pretty
>> much no code
modification.
>>
>> Connection Pooling: depends on
the database you are
>> using.  Is it
>>
thread-safe?  See
>> http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/Databases
for more
>> insight.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Mon, May 19,
2008 at 9:53 AM, freeav8r
>> <freeav8r at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I
need to implement a number of SOAP web services
>> in
>> > Python for an enterprise level system (lots of
>> > traffic).  Prototypes are up and running on
>>
cherrypy's
>> > WSGI server without any form of connection
pooling
>> for
>> > the database connections.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions on what technologies
and
>> frameworks
>> > that will allow the
following:
>> >
>> > 1.  Ability to utilize
existing apache web servers
>> > 2.  Connection pooling to a
database for the
>> database
>> > connections
that the web services will consume
>> > 3.  Generation of
WSDL for (and compatibility
>> with)
>> > Python,
Java, and Microsoft .net clients.
>> >
>> >
Any suggestions?  Anyone on the list already doing
>> >
this?
>> >
>> > -freeav8r
>>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
_______________________________________________
>> > Omaha
Python Users Group mailing list
>> > Omaha at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff
Hinrichs
>> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>>
jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> 402.218.1473
>> web:
www.dundeemt.com
>> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>>
_______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python
Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>
http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
> 
> 
>

> 
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>

From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon May 19 18:23:17 2008
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:23:17 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python SOAP and Apache
In-Reply-To: <279663.6126.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <279663.6126.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f3c0b4080805190923h5ac78755j54c9e13e9bc4d125@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, freeav8r <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I need to implement a number of SOAP web services in
> Python for an enterprise level system (lots of
> traffic).  Prototypes are up and running on cherrypy's
> WSGI server without any form of connection pooling for
> the database connections.

> 3.  Generation of WSDL for (and compatibility with)
> Python, Java, and Microsoft .net clients.

I don't know of a way to do this automatically with python. Rumour has
it that it is tricky to do since one function can have different input
types and return types. For example:

def multiply(x, y):
    ret x * y

>>> multiply('hi', 2)
'hihi'
>>> multiply(5, 2)
10

One way I've seen suggested is to use a tool from another language to
create your wsdl file. So for example, create a java project in
netbeans and then create stub functions named the same as your python
functions and having the same input types and return values and then
let that tool generate your wsdl file.

I'll be honest, unless using Java or .Net I hate soap. SOAPpy make it
pretty easy to consume web services using wsdl but every attempt to
server them has been fraught with difficulty (same is true for PHP4
-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon May 19 21:20:06 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:20:06 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python SOAP and Apache
In-Reply-To: <309670.83834.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805190815y16ec62a5qa992810d5bd7696f@mail.gmail.com>
	<309670.83834.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805191220t755b9418rbdf385d6ac013e85@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM, freeav8r <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Jeff and all,
>
> Thanks for the response.  The WSGI mod appears to be
> what we're looking for to connect to Apache.  We need
> true connection pooling though since we won't know
> which of many databases to connect to until the
> individual request is processed.
>
> If we are to run the CherryPy application as WSGI in
> apache without requiring the internal CherryPy engine
> to be run (this appears to be the most efficent
> setup), any suggestions on implementing connection
> pooling with apache and mysql so that the python
> application has access to the connections?
The link I posted, http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/Databases gives a
good way to setup your connections on a per thread basis for mysql.
When you are using mod_wsgi, you can tell it (as opposed to the
cherrypy server) how many instances/threads to start and set a
maximum.  How many different DB connections are you talking about? In
the example, they use a simple vector, db, as the solution for
cherrypy.thread_data.  However, nothing precludes you from using a
list or dictionary of connections.
i.e.

def connect(thread_index):
    # Create a connection and store it in the current thread
    cherrypy.thread_data.db = {}
    cherrypy.thread_data.db['db1'] = MySQLdb.connect('host', 'user',
'password', 'dbname')
    cherrypy.thread_data.db['db2'] = MySQLdb.connect('host2', 'user2',
'password2', 'dbname2')
    ...

If you have 20 databases, each thread would have 20 connections -- 1
to each db.  Then it would depend on how many threads/processes you
end up starting. I've used similar for an app that connected for 4
different databases.

hope that helps.

-jeff

>
>
> -freeav8r
>
>
> --- Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
>
>> While I haven't done any SOAP with python, here are
>> some of the things
>> that I know.
>>
>> CherryPy can run under apache via mod_wsgi
>>
> http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/IntegrationWithCherryPy
>>  so you
>> should be able to get yourself all the goodness of
>> apache with pretty
>> much no code modification.
>>
>> Connection Pooling: depends on the database you are
>> using.  Is it
>> thread-safe?  See
>> http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/Databases for more
>> insight.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, freeav8r
>> <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I need to implement a number of SOAP web services
>> in
>> > Python for an enterprise level system (lots of
>> > traffic).  Prototypes are up and running on
>> cherrypy's
>> > WSGI server without any form of connection pooling
>> for
>> > the database connections.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions on what technologies and
>> frameworks
>> > that will allow the following:
>> >
>> > 1.  Ability to utilize existing apache web servers
>> > 2.  Connection pooling to a database for the
>> database
>> > connections that the web services will consume
>> > 3.  Generation of WSDL for (and compatibility
>> with)
>> > Python, Java, and Microsoft .net clients.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?  Anyone on the list already doing
>> > this?
>> >
>> > -freeav8r
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> > Omaha at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Hinrichs
>> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> 402.218.1473
>> web: www.dundeemt.com
>> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



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jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
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From cbc at unc.edu  Mon May 19 22:03:38 2008
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:03:38 -0400
Subject: [omaha] Python and Plone Boot Camps in Chapel Hill, NC
Message-ID: <4831DD1A.6020301@unc.edu>

Triangle (NC) Zope and Python Users Group (TriZPUG) is proud to open 
registration for our fourth annual ultra-low cost Plone and Python 
training camps, BootCampArama 2008:

http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/2008/

Registration is now open for:

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Plone Boot Camp is taught by Joel Burton, twice chair of the Plone 
Foundation. Joel has logged more the 200 days at the head of Plone 
classrooms on four continents. See plonebootcamps.com for dozens of 
testimonials from Joel's students.

PyCamp is taught by Chris Calloway, facilitator for TriZPUG and 
application analyst for the Southeast Coastal Ocean Observing System. 
Chris has developed PyCamp for over 1500 hours on behalf of Python user 
groups. Early bird registration runs through June 30. So register today!

PyCamp is TriZPUG's Python Boot Camp, which takes a programmer familiar 
with basic programming concepts to the status of Python developer with 
one week of training. If you have previous scripting or programming 
experience and want to step into Python programming as quickly and 
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perfect follow-on to Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone the previous week.

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From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue May 20 04:56:14 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:56:14 -0500
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Free 3 month subscription to Python magazine
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805191956u5238218cn17cc124a8389a4e9@mail.gmail.com>

Doug Hellman, the Technical Editor for Python Magazine is offering a
free 3 month subscription to Python Magazine
(http://www.pythonmagazine.com)  to members of user groups who discuss
Python-related topics.

To take advantage of the offer, go to the web site
(http://www.pythonmagazine.com) and set up an account (that's already
free).  When you register, the site will ask for an email address to
identify the account.  After you set up your account, email me the
address you used to signed up.  I will then forward the list of all
the email addresses used, along with the name of the user group
represented, Doug will take care of the rest.


So get signed up, send me your email and I'll get the list to Doug.
It's a good mag in my opinion -- I already have a paid subscription.


Jeff Hinrichs
jeffh at dundeemt.com
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From elicriffield at gmail.com  Tue May 20 05:06:29 2008
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:06:29 -0400
Subject: [omaha] ANN: Free 3 month subscription to Python magazine
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805191956u5238218cn17cc124a8389a4e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805191956u5238218cn17cc124a8389a4e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18e3f33d0805192006x14fbf82cpa56103a2ac4a4da4@mail.gmail.com>

elicriffield at gmail.com is the address i used to sign up.

Eli

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> Doug Hellman, the Technical Editor for Python Magazine is offering a
> free 3 month subscription to Python Magazine
> (http://www.pythonmagazine.com)  to members of user groups who discuss
> Python-related topics.
>
> To take advantage of the offer, go to the web site
> (http://www.pythonmagazine.com) and set up an account (that's already
> free).  When you register, the site will ask for an email address to
> identify the account.  After you set up your account, email me the
> address you used to signed up.  I will then forward the list of all
> the email addresses used, along with the name of the user group
> represented, Doug will take care of the rest.
>
>
> So get signed up, send me your email and I'll get the list to Doug.
> It's a good mag in my opinion -- I already have a paid subscription.
>
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From freeav8r at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 17:00:11 2008
From: freeav8r at yahoo.com (freeav8r)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [omaha] Python SOAP and Apache
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805191220t755b9418rbdf385d6ac013e85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29327.75017.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jeff,

The key here for us is knowing that you can tell
mod_wsgi how many instances/threads to start and that
they can persist throughout multiple sessions.  Thanks
for the info - It shortcutted the research needed.

Jeff, Mike, Matthew,

Thanks for the feedback.  I hope this info helps
someone else.  We're using cherrypy and soaplib right
now for the prototype.  Setting up soap couldn't be
easier with this combination (16 lines of code for the
server example -- see below).  

The documentation is sparse, but with some digging,
you'd find that the WSDL is dynamically created and
accessable at http://localhost:7789/soap/api.wsdl  

We had no trouble accessing the web service from
python or .net and can share what we learned if anyone
runs into issues.

The static typing of the web service is handled with
the line:

@soapmethod(String,Integer,_returns=Array(String))

=========== Example =====================
from soaplib.wsgi_soap import SimpleWSGISoapApp
from soaplib.service import soapmethod
from soaplib.serializers.primitive import String,
Integer, Array

class HelloWorldService(SimpleWSGISoapApp):

    @soapmethod(String,Integer,_returns=Array(String))
    def say_hello(self,name,times):
        results = []
        for i in range(0,times):
            results.append('Hello, %s'%name)
        #return '|'.join(results)
        return results
        
if __name__=='__main__':
    
    # this example uses CherryPy2.2, use
cherrypy.wsgiserver.CherryPyWSGIServer for CherryPy
3.0
    from cherrypy.wsgiserver import CherryPyWSGIServer
    server =
CherryPyWSGIServer(('localhost',7789),HelloWorldService())
    server.start()


--- Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM, freeav8r
> <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi Jeff and all,
> >
> > Thanks for the response.  The WSGI mod appears to
> be
> > what we're looking for to connect to Apache.  We
> need
> > true connection pooling though since we won't know
> > which of many databases to connect to until the
> > individual request is processed.
> >
> > If we are to run the CherryPy application as WSGI
> in
> > apache without requiring the internal CherryPy
> engine
> > to be run (this appears to be the most efficent
> > setup), any suggestions on implementing connection
> > pooling with apache and mysql so that the python
> > application has access to the connections?
> The link I posted,
> http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/Databases gives a
> good way to setup your connections on a per thread
> basis for mysql.
> When you are using mod_wsgi, you can tell it (as
> opposed to the
> cherrypy server) how many instances/threads to start
> and set a
> maximum.  How many different DB connections are you
> talking about? In
> the example, they use a simple vector, db, as the
> solution for
> cherrypy.thread_data.  However, nothing precludes
> you from using a
> list or dictionary of connections.
> i.e.
> 
> def connect(thread_index):
>     # Create a connection and store it in the
> current thread
>     cherrypy.thread_data.db = {}
>     cherrypy.thread_data.db['db1'] =
> MySQLdb.connect('host', 'user',
> 'password', 'dbname')
>     cherrypy.thread_data.db['db2'] =
> MySQLdb.connect('host2', 'user2',
> 'password2', 'dbname2')
>     ...
> 
> If you have 20 databases, each thread would have 20
> connections -- 1
> to each db.  Then it would depend on how many
> threads/processes you
> end up starting. I've used similar for an app that
> connected for 4
> different databases.
> 
> hope that helps.
> 
> -jeff
> 
> >
> >
> > -freeav8r
> >
> >
> > --- Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> While I haven't done any SOAP with python, here
> are
> >> some of the things
> >> that I know.
> >>
> >> CherryPy can run under apache via mod_wsgi
> >>
> >
>
http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/IntegrationWithCherryPy
> >>  so you
> >> should be able to get yourself all the goodness
> of
> >> apache with pretty
> >> much no code modification.
> >>
> >> Connection Pooling: depends on the database you
> are
> >> using.  Is it
> >> thread-safe?  See
> >> http://tools.cherrypy.org/wiki/Databases for more
> >> insight.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, freeav8r
> >> <freeav8r at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > I need to implement a number of SOAP web
> services
> >> in
> >> > Python for an enterprise level system (lots of
> >> > traffic).  Prototypes are up and running on
> >> cherrypy's
> >> > WSGI server without any form of connection
> pooling
> >> for
> >> > the database connections.
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions on what technologies and
> >> frameworks
> >> > that will allow the following:
> >> >
> >> > 1.  Ability to utilize existing apache web
> servers
> >> > 2.  Connection pooling to a database for the
> >> database
> >> > connections that the web services will consume
> >> > 3.  Generation of WSDL for (and compatibility
> >> with)
> >> > Python, Java, and Microsoft .net clients.
> >> >
> >> > Any suggestions?  Anyone on the list already
> doing
> >> > this?
> >> >
> >> > -freeav8r
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> > Omaha at python.org
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Hinrichs
> >> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> >> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> >> 402.218.1473
> >> web: www.dundeemt.com
> >> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> Omaha at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> 



      

From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Wed May 21 19:12:02 2008
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:12:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [omaha] The Python PIL
Message-ID: <43492.69.58.248.102.1211389922.squirrel@email.powweb.com>



Sometimes Python just amazes me . . .

I exported a bunch of
screens as JPEGs from one of the apps that I use and found out that I now
had 22 files that were 5500x5500.? And only the top-right corner was
filled out.? Ugh.

So I took a sampling and figured out
what box would contain every jpg, and grabbed the Imaging library:
http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/

And wrote the
following:
import os,sys
from path import path
import
Image

box = (0,0,1000,750)

if
__name__=='__main__':

??? inpath =
path("images")
??? outpath =
path("images_smaller")

??? for fname
in inpath.glob("*.jpg"):
??????? outname =
outpath/fname.name

???????
img = Image.open(fname)
???????
rect = img.crop(box)

???????
rect.save(outname)


It took 30 seconds to run, and now I
have 22 images that are just the right size.

From luke at dashjr.org  Fri May 23 17:37:47 2008
From: luke at dashjr.org (Luke -Jr)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:37:47 +0000
Subject: [omaha] broken OLUG email confirmations
Message-ID: <200805231537.50298.luke@dashjr.org>

If anyone cares, neither the first link nor replying works...


----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

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Date: Friday 23 May 2008
From: olug-request at olug.org
To: luke at dashjr.org

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excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
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You can also visit your membership page at

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On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such
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----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: The results of your email commands
Date: Friday 23 May 2008
From: olug-bounces at olug.org
To: luke at dashjr.org

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
original message.

- Results:
    Invalid confirmation string.  Note that confirmation strings expire
approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request.  If your
confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your original request or
message.

From jay at jays.net  Fri May 23 18:10:55 2008
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:10:55 -0500
Subject: [omaha] broken OLUG email confirmations
In-Reply-To: <200805231537.50298.luke@dashjr.org>
References: <200805231537.50298.luke@dashjr.org>
Message-ID: <4836EC8F.1020607@jays.net>

Luke -Jr wrote:
> If anyone cares, neither the first link nor replying works...

olug.org is the Omaha Linux Users Group. This email is the Omaha Python 
Users Group. Did you confuse the two groups somewhere?

j


From JeffH at delasco.com  Fri May 23 20:20:10 2008
From: JeffH at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:20:10 -0500
Subject: [omaha] broken OLUG email confirmations
In-Reply-To: <4836EC8F.1020607@jays.net>
Message-ID: <94BC3D204A17734681830A69CBF99993DF80B4@lilo.delasco.pri>

Didn't even see that in the initial message, I just looked at the URLs
in the message.
Luke, are you having the problem with the Python list? I don't show any
bounces from you there.

-jeff 

-----Original Message-----
From: omaha-bounces at python.org [mailto:omaha-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Jay Hannah
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:11 AM
To: Omaha Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [omaha] broken OLUG email confirmations

Luke -Jr wrote:
> If anyone cares, neither the first link nor replying works...

olug.org is the Omaha Linux Users Group. This email is the Omaha Python 
Users Group. Did you confuse the two groups somewhere?

j

_______________________________________________
Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
Omaha at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
http://www.OmahaPython.org

From luke at dashjr.org  Fri May 23 20:20:58 2008
From: luke at dashjr.org (Luke -Jr)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:20:58 +0000
Subject: [omaha] broken OLUG email confirmations
In-Reply-To: <200805231537.50298.luke@dashjr.org>
References: <200805231537.50298.luke@dashjr.org>
Message-ID: <200805231821.00908.luke@dashjr.org>

On Friday 23 May 2008, Luke -Jr wrote:
> If anyone cares, neither the first link nor replying works...

Oops, sorry, wrong list

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sat May 24 00:11:15 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:11:15 -0500
Subject: [omaha] LinkedIn: Omaha Python
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805231511o602a74fcs24f6e3e3c70cb231@mail.gmail.com>

I've created a Omaha Python Uses Group on LinkedIn.  If you use
linkedin go ahead and join the group.

http://www.linkedin.com/e/myg/

-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From luke at dashjr.org  Sat May 24 00:46:50 2008
From: luke at dashjr.org (Luke -Jr)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:46:50 +0000
Subject: [omaha] LinkedIn: Omaha Python
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805231511o602a74fcs24f6e3e3c70cb231@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805231511o602a74fcs24f6e3e3c70cb231@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805232246.54406.luke@dashjr.org>

On Friday 23 May 2008, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> I've created a Omaha Python Uses Group on LinkedIn.  If you use
> linkedin go ahead and join the group.
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/myg/

Just shows the groups I'm already part of...

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sat May 24 05:01:06 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:01:06 -0500
Subject: [omaha] LinkedIn: Omaha Python
In-Reply-To: <200805232246.54406.luke@dashjr.org>
References: <5aaed53f0805231511o602a74fcs24f6e3e3c70cb231@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805232246.54406.luke@dashjr.org>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805232001i380febf7t6a3a3ef5b327dae2@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry about that, the link I should have sent,
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/109308/4E1F9165B74D

-Jeff

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Luke -Jr <luke at dashjr.org> wrote:
> On Friday 23 May 2008, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
>> I've created a Omaha Python Uses Group on LinkedIn.  If you use
>> linkedin go ahead and join the group.
>>
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/myg/
>
> Just shows the groups I'm already part of...
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sat May 24 19:36:25 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:36:25 -0500
Subject: [omaha] We need a logo...
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805241036g41086798v73f907c666f8b6a5@mail.gmail.com>

I've been futzing around with Inkscape this morning trying to come up
with an idea for a group logo.  Now admittedly, I am not an artist,
but to get the ball rolling, here is my first whack.

Please feel free to throw your hat / logo idea in the ring.  We can
vote on them and pick the popular one.

-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From Jay at RebootTheUser.com  Sat May 24 19:46:16 2008
From: Jay at RebootTheUser.com (Jay Swackhamer)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:46:16 -0500
Subject: [omaha] We need a logo...
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805241036g41086798v73f907c666f8b6a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805241036g41086798v73f907c666f8b6a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080524124616.o30g6fwakgsoocsw@webmail.hotr.com>

If you can get one in inkscape , I can cut it out of white or black  
vinyl, so you can show your allegiance......

-- 
Jay Swackhamer
Reboot The User
13416 A Street
Omaha, NE 68144
402-933-6449
Hours: 7pm-11pm Wed-Fri, 5pm-9pm Sat.
http://www.reboottheuser.com
http://www.cafepress.com/rtu
http://stores.ebay.com/RebootTheUser
http://www.hotr.com


Quoting Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>:

> I've been futzing around with Inkscape this morning trying to come up
> with an idea for a group logo.  Now admittedly, I am not an artist,
> but to get the ball rolling, here is my first whack.
>
> Please feel free to throw your hat / logo idea in the ring.  We can
> vote on them and pick the popular one.
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>




From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sat May 24 17:32:35 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:32:35 -0500
Subject: [omaha] We need a logo...
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805240832q48b49f22g6766dc713f50dff1@mail.gmail.com>

I've been futzing around with Inkscape this morning trying to come up
with an idea for a group logo.  Now admittedly, I am not an artist,
but to get the ball rolling, here is my first whack.

Please feel free to throw your hat / logo idea in the ring.  We can
vote on them and pick the popular one.



-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
jeffh at dundeemt.com
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From dundeemt at gmail.com  Sun May 25 03:45:37 2008
From: dundeemt at gmail.com (dundeemt at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:45:37 -0700
Subject: [omaha] OmahaPython-logo-100x50
Message-ID: <001636457bf63fd9ab044e043824@google.com>

I've shared a document with you called "OmahaPython-logo-100x50": 
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcfq8f6s_26ggvdhdht&invite=j9v3g6 It's 
not an attachment -- it's stored online at Google Docs. To open this 
document, just click the link above. --- Here is a 100x50 first crack 
at a group logo. I've got an svg file if anyone wants me to email the 
original. -Jeff

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sun May 25 03:46:51 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:46:51 -0500
Subject: [omaha] We need a logo...
In-Reply-To: <20080524124616.o30g6fwakgsoocsw@webmail.hotr.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805241036g41086798v73f907c666f8b6a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080524124616.o30g6fwakgsoocsw@webmail.hotr.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805241846v3101835aw74f0757dd9bcf39f@mail.gmail.com>

Cool,
That is the tool I am trying to use<g>.    I just posted a link to the group.

-Jeff

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Jay Swackhamer <Jay at reboottheuser.com> wrote:
> If you can get one in inkscape , I can cut it out of white or black vinyl,
> so you can show your allegiance......
>
> --
> Jay Swackhamer
> Reboot The User
> 13416 A Street
> Omaha, NE 68144
> 402-933-6449
> Hours: 7pm-11pm Wed-Fri, 5pm-9pm Sat.
> http://www.reboottheuser.com
> http://www.cafepress.com/rtu
> http://stores.ebay.com/RebootTheUser
> http://www.hotr.com
>
>
> Quoting Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>:
>
>> I've been futzing around with Inkscape this morning trying to come up
>> with an idea for a group logo.  Now admittedly, I am not an artist,
>> but to get the ball rolling, here is my first whack.
>>
>> Please feel free to throw your hat / logo idea in the ring.  We can
>> vote on them and pick the popular one.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Hinrichs
>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> 402.218.1473
>> web: www.dundeemt.com
>> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Sun May 25 04:11:18 2008
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:11:18 -0500
Subject: [omaha] We need a logo...
In-Reply-To: <5aaed53f0805241846v3101835aw74f0757dd9bcf39f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5aaed53f0805241036g41086798v73f907c666f8b6a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080524124616.o30g6fwakgsoocsw@webmail.hotr.com>
	<5aaed53f0805241846v3101835aw74f0757dd9bcf39f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aaed53f0805241911v45fbb5f4i73451f1834450f8b@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a link to a 640x480 export -- easier to see<g>
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcfq8f6s_28g9fpcsfs

I've been reading through the PSF stuff on using a derivative logo,
http://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/  -- I've emailed them to get
better feedback on what is/isn't permissible by user groups.

-jeff

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote:
> Cool,
> That is the tool I am trying to use<g>.    I just posted a link to the group.
>
> -Jeff
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Jay Swackhamer <Jay at reboottheuser.com> wrote:
>> If you can get one in inkscape , I can cut it out of white or black vinyl,
>> so you can show your allegiance......
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>> Quoting Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>:
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>>> I've been futzing around with Inkscape this morning trying to come up
>>> with an idea for a group logo.  Now admittedly, I am not an artist,
>>> but to get the ball rolling, here is my first whack.
>>>
>>> Please feel free to throw your hat / logo idea in the ring.  We can
>>> vote on them and pick the popular one.
>>>
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