From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Sep 20 14:21:07 2010
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:21:07 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
Message-ID: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>

I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.  There
are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want $$
for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for the
slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
for my talk on testing.)

I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
how many people you can get in a google voice session?

-Jeff


-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu  Mon Sep 20 14:55:22 2010
From: bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu (Burch Kealey)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:55:22 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
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 Jeff

I have a license for gotomeeting 


I will let you use if you want

burch
 Burch T Kealey PhD.
William C Hockett Professor of Accounting
Director MAcc Program

6001 Dodge Street
RH 408-G
Omaha, NE 68182

Phone-402-554-3571
FAX-402-554-3747 

 -----"Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T" <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote: -----

 =======================
 To: Omaha Python Users Group <omaha at python.org>
 From: "Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T" <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
 Date: 09/20/2010 07:24AM 
 Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
 =======================
   I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.  There
are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want $$
for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for the
slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
for my talk on testing.)

I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
how many people you can get in a google voice session?

-Jeff


-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com
_______________________________________________
Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
Omaha at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
http://www.OmahaPython.org
    

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 16:22:39 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:22:39 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3Z40aOmWJkDH75FMhKH4HeuPQ76euTxU0D-of@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about Douglas has
a meeting room that they have at no charge.  Not sure about wifi.
The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they have a
seperate meeting room.
Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.

I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers plus the
host for a total of 4.

Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what dates we
normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we would only
have to contact them for cancelations...  sorry for not letting you know
sooner!

steve


On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
> tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.  There
> are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want $$
> for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
> thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for the
> slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
> for my talk on testing.)
>
> I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
> how many people you can get in a google voice session?
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From jeffh at delasco.com  Mon Sep 20 16:23:50 2010
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:23:50 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <OFBCD6EC1F.561BEB13-ON862577A4.0046FC85-862577A4.0046FCA1@nebraska.edu>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
	<OFBCD6EC1F.561BEB13-ON862577A4.0046FC85-862577A4.0046FCA1@nebraska.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLAqY+CkJ4Kz-zfHURLeA3AZMgTA1HDisT1hPu@mail.gmail.com>

Burch,
Good to hear from you. Are you back from your "sabbatical"?

That is very generous of you.  One downside, is that a number of members use
linux and as far as I can tell, GoToMeeting only supports Windows and
partially Mac users.

I was hoping to find a service, but each seems to have an Achilles heel of
some kind when it comes to voice, presentation, source code sharing,
platform support and on going costs.  I am hoping to keep the cost for the
group to just paying for domain renewals <g>.



-Jeff



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Burch Kealey <bkealey at mail.unomaha.edu>wrote:

>  Jeff
>
> I have a license for gotomeeting
>
>
> I will let you use if you want
>
> burch
>  Burch T Kealey PhD.
> William C Hockett Professor of Accounting
> Director MAcc Program
>
> 6001 Dodge Street
> RH 408-G
> Omaha, NE 68182
>
> Phone-402-554-3571
> FAX-402-554-3747
>
>  -----"Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T" <jeffh at dundeemt.com> wrote: -----
>
>  =======================
>  To: Omaha Python Users Group <omaha at python.org>
>  From: "Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T" <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
>  Date: 09/20/2010 07:24AM
>  Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
>  =======================
>    I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
> tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.  There
> are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want $$
> for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
> thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for the
> slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
> for my talk on testing.)
>
> I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
> how many people you can get in a google voice session?
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at delasco.com  Mon Sep 20 16:48:04 2010
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:48:04 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim3Z40aOmWJkDH75FMhKH4HeuPQ76euTxU0D-of@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim3Z40aOmWJkDH75FMhKH4HeuPQ76euTxU0D-of@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimiaadmPeO5btR=6oHzZ5Jhv7LVHn7m+Hvigxqc@mail.gmail.com>

-Jeff



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about Douglas has
> a meeting room that they have at no charge.  Not sure about wifi.
> The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they have a
> seperate meeting room.
> Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.
>
> I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers plus
> the
> host for a total of 4.
>
> Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what dates we
> normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we would only
> have to contact them for cancelations...  sorry for not letting you know
> sooner!
>
> steve
>
No worries.  I would very much like to see us create a method for holding a
virtual users group.  I believe that it would help in a number of ways.
 Such as increased participation and the ability to get guest presenters.
 The number of members who don't make it to meetings because of familial
obligations/out of town work is about as large as those that can make it.
Getting guest speakers  to one of our meetings without having to wait on  a
solar eclipse like schedule for someone to come through Omaha would be a
great thing.  Don't get me wrong, I love Omaha but the number of Python
programmers here is dwarfed in galactic terms by those using Python not in
Omaha.

If we can get something cobbled together, I believe it will be a model that
could be followed by others.  Tonight might just be the night to make a try
for it.

The GVoice limit is a pain.  Anyone ever used one of the free conference
call services? i.e. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/index.asp




>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
> > tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.  There
> > are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want $$
> > for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
> > thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for the
> > slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
> > for my talk on testing.)
> >
> > I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
> > how many people you can get in a google voice session?
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Hinrichs
> > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> > jeffh at dundeemt.com
> > 402.218.1473
> > web: www.dundeemt.com
> > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 18:29:29 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:29:29 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimiaadmPeO5btR=6oHzZ5Jhv7LVHn7m+Hvigxqc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTimiaadmPeO5btR=6oHzZ5Jhv7LVHn7m+Hvigxqc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikV8G4FO7qXtQcobSVfDEdq+NPOonKkN7oBtw4U@mail.gmail.com>

Most of the online meetings I have attended (never hosted any myself,
although I have done a lot of remote desktop work) were thru webex, which is
a pay service, but very nice.

I am not familiar with any of the services on the link you provided.

I took a look around and came up with a few free services for 10 to 20
users:
http://www.dimdim.com/index.html
http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/ this looks like an app you host
yourself
http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-web-conferencing-apps-make-meetings-easieris
a blog post with some suggestions.
https://www.yugma.com/ this free version allows 20 participants
http://www.mikogo.com/
http://vyew.com/site/index3

I am not familiar with any of these, but I have some time today if you want
to test something out before meeting time.

steve

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:

> -Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about Douglas
> has
> > a meeting room that they have at no charge.  Not sure about wifi.
> > The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they have a
> > seperate meeting room.
> > Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.
> >
> > I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers plus
> > the
> > host for a total of 4.
> >
> > Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what dates we
> > normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we would
> only
> > have to contact them for cancelations...  sorry for not letting you know
> > sooner!
> >
> > steve
> >
> No worries.  I would very much like to see us create a method for holding a
> virtual users group.  I believe that it would help in a number of ways.
>  Such as increased participation and the ability to get guest presenters.
>  The number of members who don't make it to meetings because of familial
> obligations/out of town work is about as large as those that can make it.
> Getting guest speakers  to one of our meetings without having to wait on  a
> solar eclipse like schedule for someone to come through Omaha would be a
> great thing.  Don't get me wrong, I love Omaha but the number of Python
> programmers here is dwarfed in galactic terms by those using Python not in
> Omaha.
>
> If we can get something cobbled together, I believe it will be a model that
> could be followed by others.  Tonight might just be the night to make a try
> for it.
>
> The GVoice limit is a pain.  Anyone ever used one of the free conference
> call services? i.e. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/index.asp
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
> > > tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.  There
> > > are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want $$
> > > for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
> > > thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for the
> > > slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
> > > for my talk on testing.)
> > >
> > > I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
> > > how many people you can get in a google voice session?
> > >
> > > -Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> > > jeffh at dundeemt.com
> > > 402.218.1473
> > > web: www.dundeemt.com
> > > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --Steve Young
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 23:38:03 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:38:03 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikV8G4FO7qXtQcobSVfDEdq+NPOonKkN7oBtw4U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim3Z40aOmWJkDH75FMhKH4HeuPQ76euTxU0D-of@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimiaadmPeO5btR=6oHzZ5Jhv7LVHn7m+Hvigxqc@mail.gmail.com>
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If you are still wanting to try it tonight, dimdim seems like an easy one to
use if we have less than 10 participants.  The guests don't have to download
any software.  It has whiteboard, desktop sharing, voice and more.  I don't
know if it allows guests to share their desktop, which I think would be
helpful, especially if you have remote guest speakers...

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> Most of the online meetings I have attended (never hosted any myself,
> although I have done a lot of remote desktop work) were thru webex, which is
> a pay service, but very nice.
>
> I am not familiar with any of the services on the link you provided.
>
> I took a look around and came up with a few free services for 10 to 20
> users:
> http://www.dimdim.com/index.html
> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
> http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/ this looks like an app you host
> yourself
>
> http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-web-conferencing-apps-make-meetings-easieris a blog post with some suggestions.
> https://www.yugma.com/ this free version allows 20 participants
> http://www.mikogo.com/
> http://vyew.com/site/index3
>
> I am not familiar with any of these, but I have some time today if you want
> to test something out before meeting time.
>
> steve
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:
>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about Douglas
>> has
>> > a meeting room that they have at no charge.  Not sure about wifi.
>> > The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they have a
>> > seperate meeting room.
>> > Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.
>> >
>> > I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers plus
>> > the
>> > host for a total of 4.
>> >
>> > Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what dates we
>> > normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we would
>> only
>> > have to contact them for cancelations...  sorry for not letting you know
>> > sooner!
>> >
>> > steve
>> >
>> No worries.  I would very much like to see us create a method for holding
>> a
>> virtual users group.  I believe that it would help in a number of ways.
>>  Such as increased participation and the ability to get guest presenters.
>>  The number of members who don't make it to meetings because of familial
>> obligations/out of town work is about as large as those that can make it.
>> Getting guest speakers  to one of our meetings without having to wait on
>>  a
>> solar eclipse like schedule for someone to come through Omaha would be a
>> great thing.  Don't get me wrong, I love Omaha but the number of Python
>> programmers here is dwarfed in galactic terms by those using Python not in
>> Omaha.
>>
>> If we can get something cobbled together, I believe it will be a model
>> that
>> could be followed by others.  Tonight might just be the night to make a
>> try
>> for it.
>>
>> The GVoice limit is a pain.  Anyone ever used one of the free conference
>> call services? i.e. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/index.asp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
>> > > tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.  There
>> > > are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want $$
>> > > for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
>> > > thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for the
>> > > slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
>> > > for my talk on testing.)
>> > >
>> > > I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
>> > > how many people you can get in a google voice session?
>> > >
>> > > -Jeff
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jeff Hinrichs
>> > > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>> > > jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> > > 402.218.1473
>> > > web: www.dundeemt.com
>> > > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> > > Omaha at python.org
>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > --Steve Young
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> > Omaha at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 23:40:20 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:40:20 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
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>
> i just answered my question about dimdim:
>
>

> As the Host of your Yugma meeting, you can make any attendee the Presenter
>>> at any time.
>>>
>>
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> If you are still wanting to try it tonight, dimdim seems like an easy one
> to use if we have less than 10 participants.  The guests don't have to
> download any software.  It has whiteboard, desktop sharing, voice and more.
> I don't know if it allows guests to share their desktop, which I think would
> be helpful, especially if you have remote guest speakers...
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Most of the online meetings I have attended (never hosted any myself,
>> although I have done a lot of remote desktop work) were thru webex, which is
>> a pay service, but very nice.
>>
>> I am not familiar with any of the services on the link you provided.
>>
>> I took a look around and came up with a few free services for 10 to 20
>> users:
>> http://www.dimdim.com/index.html
>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
>> http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/ this looks like an app you host
>> yourself
>>
>> http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-web-conferencing-apps-make-meetings-easieris a blog post with some suggestions.
>> https://www.yugma.com/ this free version allows 20 participants
>> http://www.mikogo.com/
>> http://vyew.com/site/index3
>>
>> I am not familiar with any of these, but I have some time today if you
>> want to test something out before meeting time.
>>
>> steve
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about Douglas
>>> has
>>> > a meeting room that they have at no charge.  Not sure about wifi.
>>> > The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they have a
>>> > seperate meeting room.
>>> > Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.
>>> >
>>> > I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers
>>> plus
>>> > the
>>> > host for a total of 4.
>>> >
>>> > Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what dates
>>> we
>>> > normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we would
>>> only
>>> > have to contact them for cancelations...  sorry for not letting you
>>> know
>>> > sooner!
>>> >
>>> > steve
>>> >
>>> No worries.  I would very much like to see us create a method for holding
>>> a
>>> virtual users group.  I believe that it would help in a number of ways.
>>>  Such as increased participation and the ability to get guest presenters.
>>>  The number of members who don't make it to meetings because of familial
>>> obligations/out of town work is about as large as those that can make it.
>>> Getting guest speakers  to one of our meetings without having to wait on
>>>  a
>>> solar eclipse like schedule for someone to come through Omaha would be a
>>> great thing.  Don't get me wrong, I love Omaha but the number of Python
>>> programmers here is dwarfed in galactic terms by those using Python not
>>> in
>>> Omaha.
>>>
>>> If we can get something cobbled together, I believe it will be a model
>>> that
>>> could be followed by others.  Tonight might just be the night to make a
>>> try
>>> for it.
>>>
>>> The GVoice limit is a pain.  Anyone ever used one of the free conference
>>> call services? i.e. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/index.asp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
>>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>>> > >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
>>> > > tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.
>>>  There
>>> > > are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want
>>> $$
>>> > > for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
>>> > > thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for
>>> the
>>> > > slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
>>> > > for my talk on testing.)
>>> > >
>>> > > I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
>>> > > how many people you can get in a google voice session?
>>> > >
>>> > > -Jeff
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Jeff Hinrichs
>>> > > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>>> > > jeffh at dundeemt.com
>>> > > 402.218.1473
>>> > > web: www.dundeemt.com
>>> > > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>> > > Omaha at python.org
>>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > --Steve Young
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>> > Omaha at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>> Omaha at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Steve Young
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 23:41:07 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:41:07 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimUHc7g_=p6k92JWA-njUOSd2sZWi+2_rs5xbAp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim3Z40aOmWJkDH75FMhKH4HeuPQ76euTxU0D-of@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimiaadmPeO5btR=6oHzZ5Jhv7LVHn7m+Hvigxqc@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikV8G4FO7qXtQcobSVfDEdq+NPOonKkN7oBtw4U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinbp3P1SEsyP2D+OhoKA1VBQFNK=KcBjfO7odi2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimUHc7g_=p6k92JWA-njUOSd2sZWi+2_rs5xbAp@mail.gmail.com>
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on second thought... that information is from Yugma...

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> i just answered my question about dimdim:
>>
>>
>
>> As the Host of your Yugma meeting, you can make any attendee the Presenter
>>>> at any time.
>>>>
>>>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> If you are still wanting to try it tonight, dimdim seems like an easy one
>> to use if we have less than 10 participants.  The guests don't have to
>> download any software.  It has whiteboard, desktop sharing, voice and more.
>> I don't know if it allows guests to share their desktop, which I think would
>> be helpful, especially if you have remote guest speakers...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Most of the online meetings I have attended (never hosted any myself,
>>> although I have done a lot of remote desktop work) were thru webex, which is
>>> a pay service, but very nice.
>>>
>>> I am not familiar with any of the services on the link you provided.
>>>
>>> I took a look around and came up with a few free services for 10 to 20
>>> users:
>>> http://www.dimdim.com/index.html
>>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
>>> http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/ this looks like an app you host
>>> yourself
>>>
>>> http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-web-conferencing-apps-make-meetings-easieris a blog post with some suggestions.
>>> https://www.yugma.com/ this free version allows 20 participants
>>> http://www.mikogo.com/
>>> http://vyew.com/site/index3
>>>
>>> I am not familiar with any of these, but I have some time today if you
>>> want to test something out before meeting time.
>>>
>>> steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> -Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about
>>>> Douglas has
>>>> > a meeting room that they have at no charge.  Not sure about wifi.
>>>> > The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they have
>>>> a
>>>> > seperate meeting room.
>>>> > Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers
>>>> plus
>>>> > the
>>>> > host for a total of 4.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what dates
>>>> we
>>>> > normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we would
>>>> only
>>>> > have to contact them for cancelations...  sorry for not letting you
>>>> know
>>>> > sooner!
>>>> >
>>>> > steve
>>>> >
>>>> No worries.  I would very much like to see us create a method for
>>>> holding a
>>>> virtual users group.  I believe that it would help in a number of ways.
>>>>  Such as increased participation and the ability to get guest
>>>> presenters.
>>>>  The number of members who don't make it to meetings because of familial
>>>> obligations/out of town work is about as large as those that can make
>>>> it.
>>>> Getting guest speakers  to one of our meetings without having to wait on
>>>>  a
>>>> solar eclipse like schedule for someone to come through Omaha would be a
>>>> great thing.  Don't get me wrong, I love Omaha but the number of Python
>>>> programmers here is dwarfed in galactic terms by those using Python not
>>>> in
>>>> Omaha.
>>>>
>>>> If we can get something cobbled together, I believe it will be a model
>>>> that
>>>> could be followed by others.  Tonight might just be the night to make a
>>>> try
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>>> The GVoice limit is a pain.  Anyone ever used one of the free conference
>>>> call services? i.e. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/index.asp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
>>>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>>>> > >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
>>>> > > tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.
>>>>  There
>>>> > > are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want
>>>> $$
>>>> > > for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
>>>> > > thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for
>>>> the
>>>> > > slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
>>>> > > for my talk on testing.)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone know
>>>> > > how many people you can get in a google voice session?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > -Jeff
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > Jeff Hinrichs
>>>> > > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>>>> > > jeffh at dundeemt.com
>>>> > > 402.218.1473
>>>> > > web: www.dundeemt.com
>>>> > > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>>> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>> > > Omaha at python.org
>>>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > --Steve Young
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>> > Omaha at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>> >
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>> Omaha at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --Steve Young
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Steve Young
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From jeffh at delasco.com  Mon Sep 20 23:59:32 2010
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:59:32 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinN01KW4jzTY1+7V3JHJJv_TTwak2-S01EFG8AZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim3Z40aOmWJkDH75FMhKH4HeuPQ76euTxU0D-of@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimiaadmPeO5btR=6oHzZ5Jhv7LVHn7m+Hvigxqc@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikV8G4FO7qXtQcobSVfDEdq+NPOonKkN7oBtw4U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinbp3P1SEsyP2D+OhoKA1VBQFNK=KcBjfO7odi2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimUHc7g_=p6k92JWA-njUOSd2sZWi+2_rs5xbAp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinN01KW4jzTY1+7V3JHJJv_TTwak2-S01EFG8AZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikZKJ2iCQFksCeU_L9Lg0E0MA1t=po8vGJPefe0@mail.gmail.com>

I set up an account on DimDim, I'll bring it up as soon as I get home.
 Watch the list and I'll ping it when I;m ready to test.

best,
-Jeff



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> on second thought... that information is from Yugma...
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > i just answered my question about dimdim:
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> As the Host of your Yugma meeting, you can make any attendee the
> Presenter
> >>>> at any time.
> >>>>
> >>>
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> If you are still wanting to try it tonight, dimdim seems like an easy
> one
> >> to use if we have less than 10 participants.  The guests don't have to
> >> download any software.  It has whiteboard, desktop sharing, voice and
> more.
> >> I don't know if it allows guests to share their desktop, which I think
> would
> >> be helpful, especially if you have remote guest speakers...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Steve Young <
> wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Most of the online meetings I have attended (never hosted any myself,
> >>> although I have done a lot of remote desktop work) were thru webex,
> which is
> >>> a pay service, but very nice.
> >>>
> >>> I am not familiar with any of the services on the link you provided.
> >>>
> >>> I took a look around and came up with a few free services for 10 to 20
> >>> users:
> >>> http://www.dimdim.com/index.html
> >>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
> >>> http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/ this looks like an app you
> host
> >>> yourself
> >>>
> >>>
> http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-web-conferencing-apps-make-meetings-easierisa blog post with some suggestions.
> >>> https://www.yugma.com/ this free version allows 20 participants
> >>> http://www.mikogo.com/
> >>> http://vyew.com/site/index3
> >>>
> >>> I am not familiar with any of these, but I have some time today if you
> >>> want to test something out before meeting time.
> >>>
> >>> steve
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com
> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> -Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Steve Young <
> wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about
> >>>> Douglas has
> >>>> > a meeting room that they have at no charge.  Not sure about wifi.
> >>>> > The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they
> have
> >>>> a
> >>>> > seperate meeting room.
> >>>> > Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers
> >>>> plus
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > host for a total of 4.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what
> dates
> >>>> we
> >>>> > normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we
> would
> >>>> only
> >>>> > have to contact them for cancelations...  sorry for not letting you
> >>>> know
> >>>> > sooner!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > steve
> >>>> >
> >>>> No worries.  I would very much like to see us create a method for
> >>>> holding a
> >>>> virtual users group.  I believe that it would help in a number of
> ways.
> >>>>  Such as increased participation and the ability to get guest
> >>>> presenters.
> >>>>  The number of members who don't make it to meetings because of
> familial
> >>>> obligations/out of town work is about as large as those that can make
> >>>> it.
> >>>> Getting guest speakers  to one of our meetings without having to wait
> on
> >>>>  a
> >>>> solar eclipse like schedule for someone to come through Omaha would be
> a
> >>>> great thing.  Don't get me wrong, I love Omaha but the number of
> Python
> >>>> programmers here is dwarfed in galactic terms by those using Python
> not
> >>>> in
> >>>> Omaha.
> >>>>
> >>>> If we can get something cobbled together, I believe it will be a model
> >>>> that
> >>>> could be followed by others.  Tonight might just be the night to make
> a
> >>>> try
> >>>> for it.
> >>>>
> >>>> The GVoice limit is a pain.  Anyone ever used one of the free
> conference
> >>>> call services? i.e. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/index.asp
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
> >>>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> >>>> > >wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
> >>>> > > tonight.  So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.
> >>>>  There
> >>>> > > are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably
> want
> >>>> $$
> >>>> > > for continued use.  So I am looking for ideas.  Currently I am
> >>>> > > thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of
> that
> >>>> > > for my talk on testing.)
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.   Anyone
> know
> >>>> > > how many people you can get in a google voice session?
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > -Jeff
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > --
> >>>> > > Jeff Hinrichs
> >>>> > > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> >>>> > > jeffh at dundeemt.com
> >>>> > > 402.218.1473
> >>>> > > web: www.dundeemt.com
> >>>> > > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> >>>> > > _______________________________________________
> >>>> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >>>> > > Omaha at python.org
> >>>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >>>> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>>> > >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > --Steve Young
> >>>> > _______________________________________________
> >>>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >>>> > Omaha at python.org
> >>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >>>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>>> >
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >>>> Omaha at python.org
> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --Steve Young
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> --Steve Young
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --Steve Young
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jhannah at mutationgrid.com  Tue Sep 21 00:10:13 2010
From: jhannah at mutationgrid.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:10:13 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <5DC62B18-A011-41B8-9570-7795A1FE36D9@mutationgrid.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DC62B18-A011-41B8-9570-7795A1FE36D9@mutationgrid.com>
Message-ID: <4CFAEE93-A68A-45F5-84B3-BDBE75B01E30@mutationgrid.com>

On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.

If you want slow wifi I can show up wherever tonight with the Sprint HotSpot on my phone.

Cheers,

Jay Hannah
Software Architect
jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782




From jhannah at mutationgrid.com  Mon Sep 20 23:57:21 2010
From: jhannah at mutationgrid.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:57:21 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DC62B18-A011-41B8-9570-7795A1FE36D9@mutationgrid.com>

On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T wrote:
> I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues.

If you want slow wifi I can show up wherever tonight with the Sprint HotSpot on my phone.

Thanks,

Jay Hannah
Software Architect
jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782






From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Sep 21 01:02:56 2010
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:02:56 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinN01KW4jzTY1+7V3JHJJv_TTwak2-S01EFG8AZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimac+vMU5sVgydpX0mj4nGrj9_VGpMEbzgtabva@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim3Z40aOmWJkDH75FMhKH4HeuPQ76euTxU0D-of@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimiaadmPeO5btR=6oHzZ5Jhv7LVHn7m+Hvigxqc@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikV8G4FO7qXtQcobSVfDEdq+NPOonKkN7oBtw4U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinbp3P1SEsyP2D+OhoKA1VBQFNK=KcBjfO7odi2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimUHc7g_=p6k92JWA-njUOSd2sZWi+2_rs5xbAp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinN01KW4jzTY1+7V3JHJJv_TTwak2-S01EFG8AZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDBiptxb7OZTWAxBpbjNnjQhyeEhEesonecNgN@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,
If you are around, try this link
 https://my.dimdim.com/pythonomaha

-Jeff

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com> wrote:
> on second thought... that information is from Yugma...
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> i just answered my question about dimdim:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> As the Host of your Yugma meeting, you can make any attendee the Presenter
>>>>> at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> If you are still wanting to try it tonight, dimdim seems like an easy one
>>> to use if we have less than 10 participants. ?The guests don't have to
>>> download any software. ?It has whiteboard, desktop sharing, voice and more.
>>> I don't know if it allows guests to share their desktop, which I think would
>>> be helpful, especially if you have remote guest speakers...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most of the online meetings I have attended (never hosted any myself,
>>>> although I have done a lot of remote desktop work) were thru webex, which is
>>>> a pay service, but very nice.
>>>>
>>>> I am not familiar with any of the services on the link you provided.
>>>>
>>>> I took a look around and came up with a few free services for 10 to 20
>>>> users:
>>>> http://www.dimdim.com/index.html
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/ this looks like an app you host
>>>> yourself
>>>>
>>>> http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-web-conferencing-apps-make-meetings-easieris a blog post with some suggestions.
>>>> https://www.yugma.com/ this free version allows 20 participants
>>>> http://www.mikogo.com/
>>>> http://vyew.com/site/index3
>>>>
>>>> I am not familiar with any of these, but I have some time today if you
>>>> want to test something out before meeting time.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about
>>>>> Douglas has
>>>>> > a meeting room that they have at no charge. ?Not sure about wifi.
>>>>> > The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they have
>>>>> a
>>>>> > seperate meeting room.
>>>>> > Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers
>>>>> plus
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > host for a total of 4.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what dates
>>>>> we
>>>>> > normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we would
>>>>> only
>>>>> > have to contact them for cancelations... ?sorry for not letting you
>>>>> know
>>>>> > sooner!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > steve
>>>>> >
>>>>> No worries. ?I would very much like to see us create a method for
>>>>> holding a
>>>>> virtual users group. ?I believe that it would help in a number of ways.
>>>>> ?Such as increased participation and the ability to get guest
>>>>> presenters.
>>>>> ?The number of members who don't make it to meetings because of familial
>>>>> obligations/out of town work is about as large as those that can make
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Getting guest speakers ?to one of our meetings without having to wait on
>>>>> ?a
>>>>> solar eclipse like schedule for someone to come through Omaha would be a
>>>>> great thing. ?Don't get me wrong, I love Omaha but the number of Python
>>>>> programmers here is dwarfed in galactic terms by those using Python not
>>>>> in
>>>>> Omaha.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we can get something cobbled together, I believe it will be a model
>>>>> that
>>>>> could be followed by others. ?Tonight might just be the night to make a
>>>>> try
>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The GVoice limit is a pain. ?Anyone ever used one of the free conference
>>>>> call services? i.e. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/index.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
>>>>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>>>>> > >wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
>>>>> > > tonight. ?So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.
>>>>> ?There
>>>>> > > are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want
>>>>> $$
>>>>> > > for continued use. ?So I am looking for ideas. ?Currently I am
>>>>> > > thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for
>>>>> the
>>>>> > > slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
>>>>> > > for my talk on testing.)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues. ? Anyone know
>>>>> > > how many people you can get in a google voice session?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > -Jeff
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > > Jeff Hinrichs
>>>>> > > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>>>>> > > jeffh at dundeemt.com
>>>>> > > 402.218.1473
>>>>> > > web: www.dundeemt.com
>>>>> > > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>>>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>>> > > Omaha at python.org
>>>>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>>> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > --Steve Young
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>>> > Omaha at python.org
>>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>>> Omaha at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Steve Young
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --Steve Young
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Steve Young
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Sep 21 01:02:56 2010
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:02:56 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinN01KW4jzTY1+7V3JHJJv_TTwak2-S01EFG8AZ@mail.gmail.com>
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Steve,
If you are around, try this link
 https://my.dimdim.com/pythonomaha

-Jeff

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com> wrote:
> on second thought... that information is from Yugma...
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> i just answered my question about dimdim:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> As the Host of your Yugma meeting, you can make any attendee the Presenter
>>>>> at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> If you are still wanting to try it tonight, dimdim seems like an easy one
>>> to use if we have less than 10 participants. ?The guests don't have to
>>> download any software. ?It has whiteboard, desktop sharing, voice and more.
>>> I don't know if it allows guests to share their desktop, which I think would
>>> be helpful, especially if you have remote guest speakers...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most of the online meetings I have attended (never hosted any myself,
>>>> although I have done a lot of remote desktop work) were thru webex, which is
>>>> a pay service, but very nice.
>>>>
>>>> I am not familiar with any of the services on the link you provided.
>>>>
>>>> I took a look around and came up with a few free services for 10 to 20
>>>> users:
>>>> http://www.dimdim.com/index.html
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/ this looks like an app you host
>>>> yourself
>>>>
>>>> http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-web-conferencing-apps-make-meetings-easieris a blog post with some suggestions.
>>>> https://www.yugma.com/ this free version allows 20 participants
>>>> http://www.mikogo.com/
>>>> http://vyew.com/site/index3
>>>>
>>>> I am not familiar with any of these, but I have some time today if you
>>>> want to test something out before meeting time.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > A couple of options I am aware of: The subway at 19th and about
>>>>> Douglas has
>>>>> > a meeting room that they have at no charge. ?Not sure about wifi.
>>>>> > The Scooters at 63rd and center has wifi, but I don't think they have
>>>>> a
>>>>> > seperate meeting room.
>>>>> > Bookstores and Panera's aren't bad if the crowd isn't too large.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have heard that for google voice conference calls it is 3 callers
>>>>> plus
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > host for a total of 4.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also, last month the guys at Lansky's said if we told them what dates
>>>>> we
>>>>> > normally meet on they would put it on the calendar, and then we would
>>>>> only
>>>>> > have to contact them for cancelations... ?sorry for not letting you
>>>>> know
>>>>> > sooner!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > steve
>>>>> >
>>>>> No worries. ?I would very much like to see us create a method for
>>>>> holding a
>>>>> virtual users group. ?I believe that it would help in a number of ways.
>>>>> ?Such as increased participation and the ability to get guest
>>>>> presenters.
>>>>> ?The number of members who don't make it to meetings because of familial
>>>>> obligations/out of town work is about as large as those that can make
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Getting guest speakers ?to one of our meetings without having to wait on
>>>>> ?a
>>>>> solar eclipse like schedule for someone to come through Omaha would be a
>>>>> great thing. ?Don't get me wrong, I love Omaha but the number of Python
>>>>> programmers here is dwarfed in galactic terms by those using Python not
>>>>> in
>>>>> Omaha.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we can get something cobbled together, I believe it will be a model
>>>>> that
>>>>> could be followed by others. ?Tonight might just be the night to make a
>>>>> try
>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The GVoice limit is a pain. ?Anyone ever used one of the free conference
>>>>> call services? i.e. http://www.freeconferencecall.com/index.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
>>>>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>>>>> > >wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > I was unsuccessful in getting our normal meeting room at Lansky's
>>>>> > > tonight. ?So I am mulling over trying to do an on-line meeting.
>>>>> ?There
>>>>> > > are a number of on-line meeting venues but they all inevitably want
>>>>> $$
>>>>> > > for continued use. ?So I am looking for ideas. ?Currently I am
>>>>> > > thinking google voice/chat for audio, google docs/presentation for
>>>>> the
>>>>> > > slides and gobby for group code editing (there will be lots of that
>>>>> > > for my talk on testing.)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am looking for feedback, alternative options/venues. ? Anyone know
>>>>> > > how many people you can get in a google voice session?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > -Jeff
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > > Jeff Hinrichs
>>>>> > > Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
>>>>> > > jeffh at dundeemt.com
>>>>> > > 402.218.1473
>>>>> > > web: www.dundeemt.com
>>>>> > > blog: inre.dundeemt.com
>>>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>>> > > Omaha at python.org
>>>>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>>> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > --Steve Young
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>>> > Omaha at python.org
>>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>>>>> Omaha at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>>>>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Steve Young
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --Steve Young
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Steve Young
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Jeff Hinrichs
Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
blog: inre.dundeemt.com

From dimdim.helper at dimdim.com  Tue Sep 21 00:57:34 2010
From: dimdim.helper at dimdim.com (DimdimInvitations)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:57:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [omaha] pythonomaha has invited you to a Dimdim Web Meeting
Message-ID: <989534760.26141285023454679.JavaMail.root@lin-r1u34-analytics-01>


From dimdim.helper at dimdim.com  Tue Sep 21 02:07:09 2010
From: dimdim.helper at dimdim.com (DimdimInvitations)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:07:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [omaha] Your Dimdim Web Meeting has started
Message-ID: <281276370.24931285027629060.JavaMail.root@lin-r2u31-analytics-01>


From dimdim.helper at dimdim.com  Tue Sep 21 02:07:09 2010
From: dimdim.helper at dimdim.com (DimdimInvitations)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:07:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [omaha] Your Dimdim Web Meeting has started
Message-ID: <1903354180.439551285027629123.JavaMail.root@lin-r1u28-conf-05.dimdim.com>


From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 18:21:23 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:21:23 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Multiple Pythons on Windows
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=o17vBNjti8TnJzKyxv1udv3kn-h+ZmD77eG3j@mail.gmail.com>

I currently have Python 2.54 and Python 3.1 installed on a Windows Vista
machine. 2.5 is my default version.  I was going to try Greg Malcom's Python
Koans <http://bitbucket.org/gregmalcolm/python_koans/wiki/Home> that Jeff
presented at the last meeting.  It works with Python 2.6 and 3.1.  I can't
remember (or find searching) how to easily switch between the two versions
of Python on my machine. I will still be using 2.5 95% of the time, but want
to jump into 3.1 to do the Koans, and then jump back into 2.5 for everything
else.  Is it as easy as opening my shell up in the 3.1 folder and specifying
the python 3.1 executable?

Thanks.

-- 
--Steve Young

From jeffh at delasco.com  Wed Sep 22 18:53:01 2010
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:53:01 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Multiple Pythons on Windows
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=o17vBNjti8TnJzKyxv1udv3kn-h+ZmD77eG3j@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=o17vBNjti8TnJzKyxv1udv3kn-h+ZmD77eG3j@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLNEpQCD4AfS2zFPLGJg5L-bioHuFFoG2+e=r4@mail.gmail.com>

I like the idea

"I'm using 2.5, 2.6, and 3.0 from the shell with one line batch scripts of
the form:

@c:\programs\pythonX.Y\python.exe %*

Name them pythonX.Y.bat and put them somewhere in your PATH. Copy the file
for the preferred minor version (i.e. the latest) to pythonX.bat. (E.g. copy
python2.6.bat python2.bat.) Then you can use python2 file.py from anywhere."

from:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/341184/can-i-install-python-3-x-and-2-x-on-the-same-computer

You could leave python2x as your default on windows, then create a
python3.bat file (see above) and tell it to use the other version.  Then 95%
of the time you wouldn't do anything different but while contemplating
koans, you could just
python3 contemplate_koans.py

.02
Jeff

-Jeff



On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> I currently have Python 2.54 and Python 3.1 installed on a Windows Vista
> machine. 2.5 is my default version.  I was going to try Greg Malcom's
> Python
> Koans <http://bitbucket.org/gregmalcolm/python_koans/wiki/Home> that Jeff
> presented at the last meeting.  It works with Python 2.6 and 3.1.  I can't
> remember (or find searching) how to easily switch between the two versions
> of Python on my machine. I will still be using 2.5 95% of the time, but
> want
> to jump into 3.1 to do the Koans, and then jump back into 2.5 for
> everything
> else.  Is it as easy as opening my shell up in the 3.1 folder and
> specifying
> the python 3.1 executable?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> --Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 19:54:21 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:54:21 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Multiple Pythons on Windows
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLNEpQCD4AfS2zFPLGJg5L-bioHuFFoG2+e=r4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=o17vBNjti8TnJzKyxv1udv3kn-h+ZmD77eG3j@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLNEpQCD4AfS2zFPLGJg5L-bioHuFFoG2+e=r4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinde9mKkBdaGz0xHYcUy7sK_K0eryVh=a9VU_gt@mail.gmail.com>

Beautiful!  Well, I did have to reinstall 3.1 as I forgot I had uninstalled
it some time ago.  But even after installing 3.1, 2.5 was still the
default.  I made the batch file and it works perfectly.   I had thought I
would have to tinker around with virtualenv, but then I realized that is
mainly for creating different env's within a major release.  Have to wait
and try it later!  This is a great solution.

Thanks Jeff.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:

> I like the idea
>
> "I'm using 2.5, 2.6, and 3.0 from the shell with one line batch scripts of
> the form:
>
> @c:\programs\pythonX.Y\python.exe %*
>
> Name them pythonX.Y.bat and put them somewhere in your PATH. Copy the file
> for the preferred minor version (i.e. the latest) to pythonX.bat. (E.g.
> copy
> python2.6.bat python2.bat.) Then you can use python2 file.py from
> anywhere."
>
> from:
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/341184/can-i-install-python-3-x-and-2-x-on-the-same-computer
>
> You could leave python2x as your default on windows, then create a
> python3.bat file (see above) and tell it to use the other version.  Then
> 95%
> of the time you wouldn't do anything different but while contemplating
> koans, you could just
> python3 contemplate_koans.py
>
> .02
> Jeff
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I currently have Python 2.54 and Python 3.1 installed on a Windows Vista
> > machine. 2.5 is my default version.  I was going to try Greg Malcom's
> > Python
> > Koans <http://bitbucket.org/gregmalcolm/python_koans/wiki/Home> that
> Jeff
> > presented at the last meeting.  It works with Python 2.6 and 3.1.  I
> can't
> > remember (or find searching) how to easily switch between the two
> versions
> > of Python on my machine. I will still be using 2.5 95% of the time, but
> > want
> > to jump into 3.1 to do the Koans, and then jump back into 2.5 for
> > everything
> > else.  Is it as easy as opening my shell up in the 3.1 folder and
> > specifying
> > the python 3.1 executable?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > --Steve Young
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 20:09:30 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:09:30 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Multiple Pythons on Windows
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinde9mKkBdaGz0xHYcUy7sK_K0eryVh=a9VU_gt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=o17vBNjti8TnJzKyxv1udv3kn-h+ZmD77eG3j@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLNEpQCD4AfS2zFPLGJg5L-bioHuFFoG2+e=r4@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinde9mKkBdaGz0xHYcUy7sK_K0eryVh=a9VU_gt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinATr+KcsymSTTnO_gVpGOhATNR7pP2hzQYMsT7@mail.gmail.com>

It was so easy, I decided to install Python 2.7 and do my contemplating
there!  So in a matter of minutes, I have gone from 1 to 3 versions of
Python, and can easily switch between them all!!  Awesome.

thanks again.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> Beautiful!  Well, I did have to reinstall 3.1 as I forgot I had uninstalled
> it some time ago.  But even after installing 3.1, 2.5 was still the
> default.  I made the batch file and it works perfectly.   I had thought I
> would have to tinker around with virtualenv, but then I realized that is
> mainly for creating different env's within a major release.  Have to wait
> and try it later!  This is a great solution.
>
> Thanks Jeff.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:
>
>> I like the idea
>>
>> "I'm using 2.5, 2.6, and 3.0 from the shell with one line batch scripts of
>> the form:
>>
>> @c:\programs\pythonX.Y\python.exe %*
>>
>> Name them pythonX.Y.bat and put them somewhere in your PATH. Copy the file
>> for the preferred minor version (i.e. the latest) to pythonX.bat. (E.g.
>> copy
>> python2.6.bat python2.bat.) Then you can use python2 file.py from
>> anywhere."
>>
>> from:
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/341184/can-i-install-python-3-x-and-2-x-on-the-same-computer
>>
>> You could leave python2x as your default on windows, then create a
>> python3.bat file (see above) and tell it to use the other version.  Then
>> 95%
>> of the time you wouldn't do anything different but while contemplating
>> koans, you could just
>> python3 contemplate_koans.py
>>
>> .02
>> Jeff
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I currently have Python 2.54 and Python 3.1 installed on a Windows Vista
>> > machine. 2.5 is my default version.  I was going to try Greg Malcom's
>> > Python
>> > Koans <http://bitbucket.org/gregmalcolm/python_koans/wiki/Home> that
>> Jeff
>> > presented at the last meeting.  It works with Python 2.6 and 3.1.  I
>> can't
>> > remember (or find searching) how to easily switch between the two
>> versions
>> > of Python on my machine. I will still be using 2.5 95% of the time, but
>> > want
>> > to jump into 3.1 to do the Koans, and then jump back into 2.5 for
>> > everything
>> > else.  Is it as easy as opening my shell up in the 3.1 folder and
>> > specifying
>> > the python 3.1 executable?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > --
>> > --Steve Young
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> > Omaha at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From jeffh at delasco.com  Wed Sep 22 21:30:38 2010
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:30:38 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Multiple Pythons on Windows
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinATr+KcsymSTTnO_gVpGOhATNR7pP2hzQYMsT7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=o17vBNjti8TnJzKyxv1udv3kn-h+ZmD77eG3j@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLNEpQCD4AfS2zFPLGJg5L-bioHuFFoG2+e=r4@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinde9mKkBdaGz0xHYcUy7sK_K0eryVh=a9VU_gt@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinATr+KcsymSTTnO_gVpGOhATNR7pP2hzQYMsT7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinE+D1i3Ksd=XOAEg6yvh5LNyac+OhzsJU+05xy@mail.gmail.com>

nice.
-Jeff



On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> It was so easy, I decided to install Python 2.7 and do my contemplating
> there!  So in a matter of minutes, I have gone from 1 to 3 versions of
> Python, and can easily switch between them all!!  Awesome.
>
> thanks again.
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Beautiful!  Well, I did have to reinstall 3.1 as I forgot I had
> uninstalled
> > it some time ago.  But even after installing 3.1, 2.5 was still the
> > default.  I made the batch file and it works perfectly.   I had thought I
> > would have to tinker around with virtualenv, but then I realized that is
> > mainly for creating different env's within a major release.  Have to wait
> > and try it later!  This is a great solution.
> >
> > Thanks Jeff.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I like the idea
> >>
> >> "I'm using 2.5, 2.6, and 3.0 from the shell with one line batch scripts
> of
> >> the form:
> >>
> >> @c:\programs\pythonX.Y\python.exe %*
> >>
> >> Name them pythonX.Y.bat and put them somewhere in your PATH. Copy the
> file
> >> for the preferred minor version (i.e. the latest) to pythonX.bat. (E.g.
> >> copy
> >> python2.6.bat python2.bat.) Then you can use python2 file.py from
> >> anywhere."
> >>
> >> from:
> >>
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/341184/can-i-install-python-3-x-and-2-x-on-the-same-computer
> >>
> >> You could leave python2x as your default on windows, then create a
> >> python3.bat file (see above) and tell it to use the other version.  Then
> >> 95%
> >> of the time you wouldn't do anything different but while contemplating
> >> koans, you could just
> >> python3 contemplate_koans.py
> >>
> >> .02
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> -Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Steve Young <
> wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > I currently have Python 2.54 and Python 3.1 installed on a Windows
> Vista
> >> > machine. 2.5 is my default version.  I was going to try Greg Malcom's
> >> > Python
> >> > Koans <http://bitbucket.org/gregmalcolm/python_koans/wiki/Home> that
> >> Jeff
> >> > presented at the last meeting.  It works with Python 2.6 and 3.1.  I
> >> can't
> >> > remember (or find searching) how to easily switch between the two
> >> versions
> >> > of Python on my machine. I will still be using 2.5 95% of the time,
> but
> >> > want
> >> > to jump into 3.1 to do the Koans, and then jump back into 2.5 for
> >> > everything
> >> > else.  Is it as easy as opening my shell up in the 3.1 folder and
> >> > specifying
> >> > the python 3.1 executable?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > --Steve Young
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> > Omaha at python.org
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> Omaha at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --Steve Young
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 04:51:46 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:51:46 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Dropbox alternative?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVTDdqee8EAQKQM6stjvT8isuqv=reONHzQq12@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone heard of this?

https://spideroak.com/

Looks like another pythonish dropbox in the making, with twice the storage
for the same price on the $10 plan.

-- 
--Steve Young

From dgriffiths at foxtrakinc.com  Mon Sep 27 05:51:20 2010
From: dgriffiths at foxtrakinc.com (Dan Griffiths)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:51:20 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Dropbox alternative?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVTDdqee8EAQKQM6stjvT8isuqv=reONHzQq12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimVTDdqee8EAQKQM6stjvT8isuqv=reONHzQq12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikM+W3DCPyHC87T7RfkTmiuct4p-ux0FuxrCMvL@mail.gmail.com>

I did a feature on it for an online magazine a while back. It's pretty good.
In fact, I'd say it's a significant improvement over Dropbox.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> Anyone heard of this?
>
> https://spideroak.com/
>
> Looks like another pythonish dropbox in the making, with twice the storage
> for the same price on the $10 plan.
>
> --
> --Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
*Daniel J Griffiths*
*CTO / Creator o f the Matrix
***
11840 Nicholas Street
Suite 100
Omaha, Nebraska 68154
*p. 402.614.6100 *
*f. 402.614.0222 *
dgriffiths at foxtrakinc.com

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 15:25:57 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:25:57 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Dropbox alternative?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikM+W3DCPyHC87T7RfkTmiuct4p-ux0FuxrCMvL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimVTDdqee8EAQKQM6stjvT8isuqv=reONHzQq12@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikM+W3DCPyHC87T7RfkTmiuct4p-ux0FuxrCMvL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTindeVYib4wGKaX5wHDmpeBiQk5sXKLiOPE94CPs@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the feedback.  It appears to have the backup features similar to
Mozy, with the syncing, sharing, remote access features of dropbox.  I have
been using the free versions of Mozy and Dropbox for awhile and have been
happy with both of them.  Dropbox does let you increase the free version
with referrals up to 10GB, while spideroak only goes up to 5GB.

Anyone have a non hosted backup solution: for example, a service running on
my laptop that backups/syncs to either my website or another computer of
mine at another location, and has a web interface for remote access from
another computer.  Or maybe a simpler way to describe it is hosting my own
personal version of Dropbox?  I have several websites I manage with lots of
extra GB's that I don't currently use that I could take advantage of for
something like this.  Of course Python scripts are recommended! :-)

Steve

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Dan Griffiths
<dgriffiths at foxtrakinc.com>wrote:

> I did a feature on it for an online magazine a while back. It's pretty
> good.
> In fact, I'd say it's a significant improvement over Dropbox.
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Anyone heard of this?
> >
> > https://spideroak.com/
> >
> > Looks like another pythonish dropbox in the making, with twice the
> storage
> > for the same price on the $10 plan.
> >
> > --
> > --Steve Young
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Daniel J Griffiths*
> *CTO / Creator o f the Matrix
> ***
> 11840 Nicholas Street
> Suite 100
> Omaha, Nebraska 68154
> *p. 402.614.6100 *
> *f. 402.614.0222 *
> dgriffiths at foxtrakinc.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Sep 27 16:14:27 2010
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:14:27 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Dropbox alternative?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTindeVYib4wGKaX5wHDmpeBiQk5sXKLiOPE94CPs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimVTDdqee8EAQKQM6stjvT8isuqv=reONHzQq12@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikM+W3DCPyHC87T7RfkTmiuct4p-ux0FuxrCMvL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTindeVYib4wGKaX5wHDmpeBiQk5sXKLiOPE94CPs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-nDKUdRF1QfPLtr=VUWS6t2L+FjEgmAc8+KY2@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone have a non hosted backup solution: for example, a service running on
> my laptop that backups/syncs to either my website or another computer of
> mine at another location, and has a web interface for remote access from
> another computer. ?Or maybe a simpler way to describe it is hosting my own
> personal version of Dropbox? ?I have several websites I manage with lots of
> extra GB's that I don't currently use that I could take advantage of for
> something like this. ?Of course Python scripts are recommended! :-)
>

Well, there's rsync.py which is a python script that works a bit like
rsync except it doesn't use SSH. It's quite useful and I've used it in
both Windows and UNIX-like environments.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

"An investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -Benjamin Franklin

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 23:27:33 2010
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:27:33 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Dropbox alternative?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin-nDKUdRF1QfPLtr=VUWS6t2L+FjEgmAc8+KY2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimVTDdqee8EAQKQM6stjvT8isuqv=reONHzQq12@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikM+W3DCPyHC87T7RfkTmiuct4p-ux0FuxrCMvL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTindeVYib4wGKaX5wHDmpeBiQk5sXKLiOPE94CPs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin-nDKUdRF1QfPLtr=VUWS6t2L+FjEgmAc8+KY2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=9EoUk1cbW-=ih2N5vBk1tzijNFAxPYtQA3xmV@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have a link for rsync.py?  I have looked around and the main link I
find, http://vdesmedt.com/~vds2212/rsync.html is not available anymore...
Not sure if it matters, as I found that my web host Terms of Service does
not allow for backups...

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Anyone have a non hosted backup solution: for example, a service running
> on
> > my laptop that backups/syncs to either my website or another computer of
> > mine at another location, and has a web interface for remote access from
> > another computer.  Or maybe a simpler way to describe it is hosting my
> own
> > personal version of Dropbox?  I have several websites I manage with lots
> of
> > extra GB's that I don't currently use that I could take advantage of for
> > something like this.  Of course Python scripts are recommended! :-)
> >
>
> Well, there's rsync.py which is a python script that works a bit like
> rsync except it doesn't use SSH. It's quite useful and I've used it in
> both Windows and UNIX-like environments.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
>
> "An investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -Benjamin Franklin
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
--Steve Young

From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Sep 29 00:03:05 2010
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:03:05 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Dropbox alternative?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=9EoUk1cbW-=ih2N5vBk1tzijNFAxPYtQA3xmV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimVTDdqee8EAQKQM6stjvT8isuqv=reONHzQq12@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikM+W3DCPyHC87T7RfkTmiuct4p-ux0FuxrCMvL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTindeVYib4wGKaX5wHDmpeBiQk5sXKLiOPE94CPs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin-nDKUdRF1QfPLtr=VUWS6t2L+FjEgmAc8+KY2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=9EoUk1cbW-=ih2N5vBk1tzijNFAxPYtQA3xmV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTind8dqOJ9vUAQLz7eGRR_RFLFUJWzx7Eb1TyKp9@mail.gmail.com>

The version I have identifies itself with a URL that no longer works,
but a reference is at http://pypi.python.org/pypi/rsync.py/2.0/

I'm attaching my copy of the file.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you have a link for rsync.py? ?I have looked around and the main link I
> find, http://vdesmedt.com/~vds2212/rsync.html is not available anymore...
> Not sure if it matters, as I found that my web host Terms of Service does
> not allow for backups...
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Anyone have a non hosted backup solution: for example, a service running
>> on
>> > my laptop that backups/syncs to either my website or another computer of
>> > mine at another location, and has a web interface for remote access from
>> > another computer. ?Or maybe a simpler way to describe it is hosting my
>> own
>> > personal version of Dropbox? ?I have several websites I manage with lots
>> of
>> > extra GB's that I don't currently use that I could take advantage of for
>> > something like this. ?Of course Python scripts are recommended! :-)
>> >
>>
>> Well, there's rsync.py which is a python script that works a bit like
>> rsync except it doesn't use SSH. It's quite useful and I've used it in
>> both Windows and UNIX-like environments.
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Nuzum
>> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter
>>
>> "An investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -Benjamin Franklin
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter

"An investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -Benjamin Franklin
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