From jay at jays.net  Thu Jul  7 20:01:33 2011
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 13:01:33 -0500
Subject: [omaha] [odynug] Meeting: Tue July 12 7pm
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On Jul 7, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Nick Nisi wrote:
> I'd also be up for meeting this weekend.

Woot! What part of town do you live in again? I'm in Millard. 

Sat 10am Panera Bread @ OakView mall? (3219 Oak View Dr)

Now if only a Pythonista would WSGI with us, we'd have a web app hat trick!  

j
http://odlug.org/
(All are welcome to join our pre-meeting mini-hackathon.   :)





From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 01:50:35 2011
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:50:35 -0500
Subject: [omaha] [odynug] Meeting: Tue July 12 7pm
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I will definitely plan to brief either August 9th or September 13th. I am
not sure about this Saturday. My parent's are in town and I don't know if
they are planning anything.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Jay Hannah <jay.hannah at iinteractive.com>wrote:

> I dumped in our volunteer list:
>
>   http://odlug.org/
>
> Nick: Are you ready to go Tuesday? Any Pythonistas willing to do the WSGI
> (Python) bit? Maybe we should meet over beer this weekend and rough out some
> code before the meeting.   :)
>
> Justin / Shawn: Are you ready if Nick and I run short? How do August 9th
> and September 13th look on your calendars?
>
> Did I miss anybody/anything? Other volunteers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay Hannah
> Senior Developer / Consultant
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From jmoseman01 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 02:21:01 2011
From: jmoseman01 at gmail.com (jesse moseman)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:21:01 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
Message-ID: <CAEawFbiW5Ce8kuFDFdhx=8B7EUKUjTPvVu+0xapjkgdyM_OTvw@mail.gmail.com>

I've done some cgi for my "job" just generating html based off of a database
and stuff but i'm looking in setting up my own test web server that's python
powered.  I've heard of django but don't know much about it.  I know it's
like a content management system but it doesn't have a front end.  One thing
i also looked at was mod_python for apache.  Any one have any
recommendations on getting python powered websites going on you're own
server?

From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 02:36:08 2011
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:36:08 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
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I have to confess I haven't used much other than Django, but I find it to be
really, really great.  There is a four step tutorial on their website that
will get you up and running in a short period of time.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM, jesse moseman <jmoseman01 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've done some cgi for my "job" just generating html based off of a
> database
> and stuff but i'm looking in setting up my own test web server that's
> python
> powered.  I've heard of django but don't know much about it.  I know it's
> like a content management system but it doesn't have a front end.  One
> thing
> i also looked at was mod_python for apache.  Any one have any
> recommendations on getting python powered websites going on you're own
> server?
> _______________________________________________
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Jul 14 03:23:39 2011
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:23:39 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
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On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM, jesse moseman <jmoseman01 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've done some cgi for my "job" just generating html based off of a
> database
> and stuff but i'm looking in setting up my own test web server that's
> python
> powered.  I've heard of django but don't know much about it.  I know it's
> like a content management system but it doesn't have a front end.  One
> thing
> i also looked at was mod_python for apache.  Any one have any
> recommendations on getting python powered websites going on you're own
> server?
>
>
django isn't really a content management system and mod_python isn't a
framework at all. mod_python embeds Python in the web server and is
generally a bad idea currently. Instead use mod_wsgi (pronounced "mod
whiskey") if you have the option. (or fastcgi if you like to fiddle)

Here are a couple of my opinions on frameworks:

Django - I use this every day. It's extremely easy to be productive. It has
a lot of built in features. You don't need to learn a database, just
describe your data as a python class. You'll be going fast. Optimizing your
site can be challenging because the abstractions that make you very
productive also hide the guts of what's happening. For example, I had a page
that was going a bit slow so I installed the django-debug-toolbar and it
showed that what I thought was one SQL query was actually 13. I simply had
to use an option called select_related on that query and it turned into one
like I'd expected. My point is that the framework abstracts you away from
the details so sometimes there are a few surprises lurking in there.

Turbogears - it is a framework that is made of piecing some of the best bits
of many other python frameworks. I used this several years ago. Since then
it's changed a lot. At the time it used cherry py which is a great cgi-like
framework. It used an excellent database ORM and a more powerful templating
system than Django. It's main disadvantages were a smaller community and
that the pieces were not cohesive.

Flask - a very lightweight framework. Much more like cgi. You have a lot of
control over the inner workings of your app. It gives you some of the most
needed features of a web app and that's it.

Google App Engine - a platform that lets you use other frameworks (like App
Engine Oil) to publish Python apps to Google's hosted cloud platform.

Zope - don't use this unless you like xml and pain.

With any of these you can make a content management system or any number of
other web apps.

Here are some sites my team has made:

http://www.ubuntu.com/usn - a CMS for hosting security notices about Ubuntu
https://login.ubuntu.com/ - a single sign in service using OpenID
https://pay.ubuntu.com/ and the related Ubuntu Software Center (a web
service with a native Ubuntu client) - an e-commerce platform for handling
software purchases

If you like CGI I'd suggest Flask. If you want to go whole-hog into Python
web development I'd suggest Django. The only other framework I recommend to
anyone these days is Ruby on Rails but this is the wrong list for that. :-)

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter

? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?

From zbuhman at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 15:25:42 2011
From: zbuhman at gmail.com (Zack Buhman)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 08:25:42 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Omaha Digest, Vol 53, Issue 2
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References: <mailman.37.1310637601.10272.omaha@python.org>
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:21:01 -0500
> From: jesse moseman <jmoseman01 at gmail.com>
> To: omaha at python.org
> Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
> Message-ID:
> <CAEawFbiW5Ce8kuFDFdhx=8B7EUKUjTPvVu+0xapjkgdyM_OTvw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I've done some cgi for my "job" just generating html based off of a database
> and stuff but i'm looking in setting up my own test web server that's python
> powered. ?I've heard of django but don't know much about it. ?I know it's
> like a content management system but it doesn't have a front end. ?One thing
> i also looked at was mod_python for apache. ?Any one have any
> recommendations on getting python powered websites going on you're own
> server?

+1 for Flask.  Definitely don't use mod_python, whatever you do;
that's the last thing you should be using; it's an outdated,
unsupported, and obsolete relic.  If you really wanted to use Apache,
use mod_wsgi with flask; but I usually steer clear of Apache in
general.

There's actually quite a few ways to actually deploy Flask; one of the
simplest is to just use nginx to proxy_pass requests to the builtin
flask server--but there are a few problems with doing it that way,
most of which werkzeug handles for you (mainly the X-Real-IP and so
on) but the advantage is that it's HTTP 1.1, so you can have multiple
application servers listening on multiple subdomains but "bound" to
the same physical port/address.

The best way to do it, however, would be using things like gunicorn or
uwsgi (or any other wsgi server); the flask documentation (which is
absolutely outstanding by the way) has plenty of examples on deploying
your application correctly.

There's all kinds of neat things that flask can do that I haven't seen
in any other framework.  I would highly recommend you check it out.

Zack Buhman

From james.harr at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 17:05:22 2011
From: james.harr at gmail.com (James Harr)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:05:22 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
In-Reply-To: <CAN+aQ9yN-4aawfhN4BwMR1k=6b485kp4d4sMQbcBSz+DBVz-DA@mail.gmail.com>
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I share this sentiment about Zope.

On the other hand (and slightly OT), ZODB is a pretty interesting
database for light use.
- Pretty good at repeat reads.
- Terrible at writes (you'll only get about 60-80TPS on a standard
system, no matter how many threads you run).
- Super light weight modeling. With a 1 line decoration, and object
can now be shoved in ZODB.
- Transactions are serializable and it has a really cool way to
resolve conflicts without completely retrying a transaction. This is
optional, and is more interesting than it is useful.
- Handles cyclical object graphs
- Really easy to mess up transactions if you use threading. Get a DB
connection per thread and never share objects between threads (I
learned this the hard way -- oops).
- A year ago, docs were kind of sparse, but they've improved since then.
- You can basically think of it as a fancy "pickle these objects to
disk". There's no way to do aggregate queries without maintaining your
own indices/structures.

I've never used it for a full application because it seemed like a
risky time investment, but it might come in handy some day and is
worth toying with if you're bored. I ended up using
http://www.sqlalchemy.org/ for that project and love it. A lot of
frameworks give you a choice as to which model framework you use and
this is a good one.



On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM, jesse moseman <jmoseman01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've done some cgi for my "job" just generating html based off of a
> > database
> > and stuff but i'm looking in setting up my own test web server that's
> > python
> > powered. ?I've heard of django but don't know much about it. ?I know it's
> > like a content management system but it doesn't have a front end. ?One
> > thing
> > i also looked at was mod_python for apache. ?Any one have any
> > recommendations on getting python powered websites going on you're own
> > server?
> >
> >
> django isn't really a content management system and mod_python isn't a
> framework at all. mod_python embeds Python in the web server and is
> generally a bad idea currently. Instead use mod_wsgi (pronounced "mod
> whiskey") if you have the option. (or fastcgi if you like to fiddle)
>
> Here are a couple of my opinions on frameworks:
>
> Django - I use this every day. It's extremely easy to be productive. It has
> a lot of built in features. You don't need to learn a database, just
> describe your data as a python class. You'll be going fast. Optimizing your
> site can be challenging because the abstractions that make you very
> productive also hide the guts of what's happening. For example, I had a page
> that was going a bit slow so I installed the django-debug-toolbar and it
> showed that what I thought was one SQL query was actually 13. I simply had
> to use an option called select_related on that query and it turned into one
> like I'd expected. My point is that the framework abstracts you away from
> the details so sometimes there are a few surprises lurking in there.
>
> Turbogears - it is a framework that is made of piecing some of the best bits
> of many other python frameworks. I used this several years ago. Since then
> it's changed a lot. At the time it used cherry py which is a great cgi-like
> framework. It used an excellent database ORM and a more powerful templating
> system than Django. It's main disadvantages were a smaller community and
> that the pieces were not cohesive.
>
> Flask - a very lightweight framework. Much more like cgi. You have a lot of
> control over the inner workings of your app. It gives you some of the most
> needed features of a web app and that's it.
>
> Google App Engine - a platform that lets you use other frameworks (like App
> Engine Oil) to publish Python apps to Google's hosted cloud platform.
>
> Zope - don't use this unless you like xml and pain.
>
> With any of these you can make a content management system or any number of
> other web apps.
>
> Here are some sites my team has made:
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn - a CMS for hosting security notices about Ubuntu
> https://login.ubuntu.com/ - a single sign in service using OpenID
> https://pay.ubuntu.com/ and the related Ubuntu Software Center (a web
> service with a native Ubuntu client) - an e-commerce platform for handling
> software purchases
>
> If you like CGI I'd suggest Flask. If you want to go whole-hog into Python
> web development I'd suggest Django. The only other framework I recommend to
> anyone these days is Ruby on Rails but this is the wrong list for that. :-)
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
>
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From jay.hannah at iinteractive.com  Thu Jul 14 18:16:48 2011
From: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:16:48 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
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On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> django isn't really a content management system and mod_python isn't a
> framework at all. mod_python embeds Python in the web server and is
> generally a bad idea currently. Instead use mod_wsgi (pronounced "mod
> whiskey") if you have the option. (or fastcgi if you like to fiddle)

Have you done much with WSGI? Nick and I were looking for a Python guy for our meeting we just had on Tuesday. He presented Ruby's Rack and I presented Perl's Plack.   :)

   http://odlug.org/

Thanks,

Jay Hannah
Senior Developer / Consultant
http://www.iinteractive.com
Email: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com
AOL IM: deafferret
Mobile: 1.402.598.7782
Fax: 1.402.691.9496






From newz at bearfruit.org  Thu Jul 14 18:35:47 2011
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:35:47 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
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	<65C3EB30-CA16-4776-AADE-501DDFD25EEE@iinteractive.com>
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jay Hannah <jay.hannah at iinteractive.com>wrote:

> On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> > django isn't really a content management system and mod_python isn't a
> > framework at all. mod_python embeds Python in the web server and is
> > generally a bad idea currently. Instead use mod_wsgi (pronounced "mod
> > whiskey") if you have the option. (or fastcgi if you like to fiddle)
>
> Have you done much with WSGI? Nick and I were looking for a Python guy for
> our meeting we just had on Tuesday. He presented Ruby's Rack and I presented
> Perl's Plack.   :)
>
>
I've deployed numerous apps with it but I've not stretched it's limits. I
know it has some cool features.

I will say that an app I'm deploying new was having some poor performance so
asked an Apache hacker friend for some times. We removed a lot of
unnecessary apache modules and switched to the worker mpm and boosted the
performance on my baby VPS from about 35 req/sec to 59 req/sec.

After I was done these are the only mods I have enabled on my Ubuntu 10.04
server:

alias
authn_file
authz_host
cgid
deflate
env
mime
reqtimeout
rewrite
setenvif
ssl
wsgi

He told me that if I'm not using SSL that the event mpm is even faster than
the worker mpm. I didn't try it out because I do need SSL.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter

? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?

From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 18:45:43 2011
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:45:43 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Real Time Mapping Displays using Python or JavaScript
Message-ID: <CABT9k_DJiDqEJhT4hG2CxBw7CruP0StCzZYivPCAdPFtTxqm2Q@mail.gmail.com>

All,
I currently have a project where data is being published to a RabbitMQ feed
in real-time.   The data is Atom/GeoRSS encoded entries.   I was wondering
if anyone knew of a simple way to pull that data off the queue and display
it on a map in real-time. Basically, I need to go through and see if the
current messages match any previous Atom entries and update those entries.
If they don't exist, I need to display those on the map. Lastly, I need to
clean up any old data. I have done similar things with Google Earth in the
past via a network link. I wanted to know if anyone else had different
approaches that may work better.

Thanks,
Shawn

From james.harr at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 19:12:53 2011
From: james.harr at gmail.com (James Harr)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:12:53 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
In-Reply-To: <65C3EB30-CA16-4776-AADE-501DDFD25EEE@iinteractive.com>
References: <CAEawFbiW5Ce8kuFDFdhx=8B7EUKUjTPvVu+0xapjkgdyM_OTvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9yN-4aawfhN4BwMR1k=6b485kp4d4sMQbcBSz+DBVz-DA@mail.gmail.com>
	<65C3EB30-CA16-4776-AADE-501DDFD25EEE@iinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <CAEAFGYifaa5Pv=B92-w4P0ETYOBF14AqOYcyEnVxrhJgCzXjLg@mail.gmail.com>

I've played with WSGI a little bit. It really looks like a more modern
version of CGI. I'd be more inclined to use a framework that can use
WSGI than to use WSGI directly. IIRC, most of the controller
frameworks (ie: django, turbogears) can be rigged up to work with
WSGI, run as their own daemon (mostly for code development), or just
mod_python directly.

At some point, I'm going to hack up a light weight JSON-RPC controller
framework in python that supports "Class.method" instead of just
"method" to go along with a GWT JSON-RPC library
(https://github.com/jamesharr/jsondto/wiki ; need to throw up some
better samples). WSGI seems like a good fit for that.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jay Hannah
<jay.hannah at iinteractive.com> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>> django isn't really a content management system and mod_python isn't a
>> framework at all. mod_python embeds Python in the web server and is
>> generally a bad idea currently. Instead use mod_wsgi (pronounced "mod
>> whiskey") if you have the option. (or fastcgi if you like to fiddle)
>
> Have you done much with WSGI? Nick and I were looking for a Python guy for our meeting we just had on Tuesday. He presented Ruby's Rack and I presented Perl's Plack. ? :)
>
> ? http://odlug.org/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay Hannah
> Senior Developer / Consultant
> http://www.iinteractive.com
> Email: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com
> AOL IM: deafferret
> Mobile: 1.402.598.7782
> Fax: 1.402.691.9496
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jeffh at delasco.com  Thu Jul 14 19:15:58 2011
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:15:58 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jay Hannah <jay.hannah at iinteractive.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> > > django isn't really a content management system and mod_python isn't a
> > > framework at all. mod_python embeds Python in the web server and is
> > > generally a bad idea currently. Instead use mod_wsgi (pronounced "mod
> > > whiskey") if you have the option. (or fastcgi if you like to fiddle)
> >
> > Have you done much with WSGI? Nick and I were looking for a Python guy
> for
> > our meeting we just had on Tuesday. He presented Ruby's Rack and I
> presented
> > Perl's Plack.   :)
> >
> >
> I've deployed numerous apps with it but I've not stretched it's limits. I
> know it has some cool features.
>
> I will say that an app I'm deploying new was having some poor performance
> so
> asked an Apache hacker friend for some times. We removed a lot of
> unnecessary apache modules and switched to the worker mpm and boosted the
> performance on my baby VPS from about 35 req/sec to 59 req/sec.
>
> After I was done these are the only mods I have enabled on my Ubuntu 10.04
> server:
>
> alias
> authn_file
> authz_host
> cgid
> deflate
> env
> mime
> reqtimeout
> rewrite
> setenvif
> ssl
> wsgi
>
> He told me that if I'm not using SSL that the event mpm is even faster than
> the worker mpm. I didn't try it out because I do need SSL.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
>
> ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

I agree with the things said previously.  I've used Twisted, mod_python,
vampire, CherryPy, TurboGears (pre-pyramid -- back when CherryPy was bundled
with) and Django 1.x -> 1.3

Currently, all that I do is under mod_wsgi and Django 1.x although I do have
some legacy apps still running mod_python/vampire until I get time to move
the to Django.

Out of all that I have used, I would recommend Django -- the reason is
documentation.  None of the others mentioned hold a candle to the docs and
resources available for Django.  The second reason, is testing -- although
most popular Django tutorials don't go into testing there is documentation
both online and in the code.   Now I concede that you can find cases where
Django is not a good fit, and that is true, however, these cases are not
better suited by another platform they usually revolve around specific needs
that make writing custom code a better trade-off than using a platform.

It is easy to get started with Django on a solo box and the move from
HelloWorld to more non-trivial apps is not a bone breaker.

Best,

Jeff

p.s. I didn't respond to the wsgi invite because I'm not really a "wsgi"
guy.  It is the plumbing that I use but at a level that has me thinking
about it as much as I think about the 7 layer OS networking model :)

From jeffh at delasco.com  Thu Jul 14 19:17:49 2011
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:17:49 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
In-Reply-To: <CAEAFGYifaa5Pv=B92-w4P0ETYOBF14AqOYcyEnVxrhJgCzXjLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEawFbiW5Ce8kuFDFdhx=8B7EUKUjTPvVu+0xapjkgdyM_OTvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9yN-4aawfhN4BwMR1k=6b485kp4d4sMQbcBSz+DBVz-DA@mail.gmail.com>
	<65C3EB30-CA16-4776-AADE-501DDFD25EEE@iinteractive.com>
	<CAEAFGYifaa5Pv=B92-w4P0ETYOBF14AqOYcyEnVxrhJgCzXjLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHoq1-osCdp7HVoympibshcrfZ4p8mreRrJHLcxw1jxOaZQfyQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:12 PM, James Harr <james.harr at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've played with WSGI a little bit. It really looks like a more modern
> version of CGI. I'd be more inclined to use a framework that can use
> WSGI than to use WSGI directly. IIRC, most of the controller
> frameworks (ie: django, turbogears) can be rigged up to work with
> WSGI, run as their own daemon (mostly for code development), or just
> mod_python directly.
>
> At some point, I'm going to hack up a light weight JSON-RPC controller
> framework in python that supports "Class.method" instead of just
> "method" to go along with a GWT JSON-RPC library
> (https://github.com/jamesharr/jsondto/wiki ; need to throw up some
> better samples). WSGI seems like a good fit for that.


Check out, Piston https://bitbucket.org/jespern/django-piston/wiki/Home
for your REST needs.

Best,

Jeff

From jeffh at delasco.com  Thu Jul 14 19:22:11 2011
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:22:11 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Real Time Mapping Displays using Python or JavaScript
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_DJiDqEJhT4hG2CxBw7CruP0StCzZYivPCAdPFtTxqm2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABT9k_DJiDqEJhT4hG2CxBw7CruP0StCzZYivPCAdPFtTxqm2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHoq1-o_AHqns2VGfz3v+Ke_BaPr25v5ZfNW48bBgekYouJKbw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com>wrote:

> All,
> I currently have a project where data is being published to a RabbitMQ feed
> in real-time.   The data is Atom/GeoRSS encoded entries.   I was wondering
> if anyone knew of a simple way to pull that data off the queue and display
> it on a map in real-time. Basically, I need to go through and see if the
> current messages match any previous Atom entries and update those entries.
> If they don't exist, I need to display those on the map. Lastly, I need to
> clean up any old data. I have done similar things with Google Earth in the
> past via a network link. I wanted to know if anyone else had different
> approaches that may work better.
>
>
> Sorry, nothing for mapping, but getting subscribed to a Rabbit with python
is straightforward.  We use RabbitMQ in house and I even have a topic
exchange based helper project http://code.google.com/p/thumper/

best,

Jeff

From matt.wynn at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 19:38:51 2011
From: matt.wynn at gmail.com (Matt Wynn)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:38:51 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
Message-ID: <CAFXqcUo5xe3z3+ntp-TZzMCju1U4T8tzJgq_WFpHe+EBh1ba=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've dabbled a bit in a couple frameworks, but have settled on Django. Each
has its strengths and weaknesses and probably should be looked at with an
eye on what you want to accomplish.

Django's biggest strength, I think, is its intuitive admin. If you're
working on a project that will require input by trusted users (like a blog
or company website), the admin will save you tons of time and make you
happy. Others have better templating systems. It just really depends what
you want to do.

But I can back these dudes bigtime on the mod_apache hate. If you do it,
you'll regret it forever. Or until you fix it, whichever comes first.

-Matt

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 20:08:19 2011
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:08:19 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Monday 7/18
Message-ID: <CAFGSzziB0aSOmtd-H6iiP+sy3nbmOkg8eRjKMFRk1pUaOu=w6g@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone want to suggest some topics for this month's meeting?

-- 
Steve Young

From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Thu Jul 14 21:25:43 2011
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:25:43 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Real Time Mapping Displays using Python or JavaScript
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_DJiDqEJhT4hG2CxBw7CruP0StCzZYivPCAdPFtTxqm2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABT9k_DJiDqEJhT4hG2CxBw7CruP0StCzZYivPCAdPFtTxqm2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1310671543.26150.2.camel@sweetg>

On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 11:45 -0500, Shawn Hermans wrote:
> All,
> I currently have a project where data is being published to a RabbitMQ feed
> in real-time.   The data is Atom/GeoRSS encoded entries.   I was wondering
> if anyone knew of a simple way to pull that data off the queue and display
> it on a map in real-time. Basically, I need to go through and see if the
> current messages match any previous Atom entries and update those entries.
> If they don't exist, I need to display those on the map. Lastly, I need to
> clean up any old data. I have done similar things with Google Earth in the
> past via a network link. I wanted to know if anyone else had different
> approaches that may work better.

I've used Gpsbabel to convert one Geo-format to another.  It's an extra
executable but it works quite fast.  

You can make up your own CSV format and have it spit out  . . . well,
just about anything:
http://www.gpsbabel.org/capabilities.html

It's what Google Earth uses as well. :)


From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Thu Jul 14 22:02:42 2011
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:02:42 -0500
Subject: [omaha] best python web framwork
In-Reply-To: <CAHoq1-rzGR0DWqjCkyM-4F-UviiKYSaHtm-dfNLyjiaZRKW6vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEawFbiW5Ce8kuFDFdhx=8B7EUKUjTPvVu+0xapjkgdyM_OTvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9yN-4aawfhN4BwMR1k=6b485kp4d4sMQbcBSz+DBVz-DA@mail.gmail.com>
	<65C3EB30-CA16-4776-AADE-501DDFD25EEE@iinteractive.com>
	<CAN+aQ9xakUcL93FjHS9_WpT3kDDmUVOzDRp8hqw2LYK-pYuFyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHoq1-rzGR0DWqjCkyM-4F-UviiKYSaHtm-dfNLyjiaZRKW6vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1310673762.26150.13.camel@sweetg>

On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 12:15 -0500, Jeff Hinrichs wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Jay Hannah <jay.hannah at iinteractive.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> > > > django isn't really a content management system and mod_python isn't a
> > > > framework at all. mod_python embeds Python in the web server and is
> > > > generally a bad idea currently. Instead use mod_wsgi (pronounced "mod
> > > > whiskey") if you have the option. (or fastcgi if you like to fiddle)
> > >
> > > Have you done much with WSGI? Nick and I were looking for a Python guy
> > for
> > > our meeting we just had on Tuesday. He presented Ruby's Rack and I
> > presented
> > > Perl's Plack.   :)
> > >
> > >
> > I've deployed numerous apps with it but I've not stretched it's limits. I
> > know it has some cool features.
> >
> > I will say that an app I'm deploying new was having some poor performance
> > so
> > asked an Apache hacker friend for some times. We removed a lot of
> > unnecessary apache modules and switched to the worker mpm and boosted the
> > performance on my baby VPS from about 35 req/sec to 59 req/sec.
> >
> > After I was done these are the only mods I have enabled on my Ubuntu 10.04
> > server:
> >
> > alias
> > authn_file
> > authz_host
> > cgid
> > deflate
> > env
> > mime
> > reqtimeout
> > rewrite
> > setenvif
> > ssl
> > wsgi
> >
> > He told me that if I'm not using SSL that the event mpm is even faster than
> > the worker mpm. I didn't try it out because I do need SSL.
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Nuzum
> > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
> >
> > ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> 
> I agree with the things said previously.  I've used Twisted, mod_python,
> vampire, CherryPy, TurboGears (pre-pyramid -- back when CherryPy was bundled
> with) and Django 1.x -> 1.3
> 
> Currently, all that I do is under mod_wsgi and Django 1.x although I do have
> some legacy apps still running mod_python/vampire until I get time to move
> the to Django.
> 
> Out of all that I have used, I would recommend Django -- the reason is
> documentation.  None of the others mentioned hold a candle to the docs and
> resources available for Django.  The second reason, is testing -- although
> most popular Django tutorials don't go into testing there is documentation
> both online and in the code.   Now I concede that you can find cases where
> Django is not a good fit, and that is true, however, these cases are not
> better suited by another platform they usually revolve around specific needs
> that make writing custom code a better trade-off than using a platform.
> 
> It is easy to get started with Django on a solo box and the move from
> HelloWorld to more non-trivial apps is not a bone breaker.
> 

Fascinating discussion . .. 

I'm just finishing up a Django/Satchmo project (Satchmo->a
Django-powered ecommerce engine) and going to start up a new project
real soon.  Thinking of some of the pain I just had, I'm wondering if
anything would be better suited (I will recognize that most of the pain
I went through was Satchmo's doing, and the next project will not be
ecommerce).

I think Django's killer features are it's admin interface and it's
documentation.  A secondary feature is the amount of high-quality
plugins for it -- Haystack for search, Memcache, etc.  Even though I
just complained about Satchmo, it is pretty good when you want an
web-store alongside a blog, CMS, or other webapp and have them
integrated.  

I just looked at Flask and it seem interesting, though it would be hard
to go back to making my own database schemas.  But simple and light --
never a bad thing.

Anyone have current experience on TurboGears2?  That seems interesting
as well.  SQLObject is wonderful (I used it pre-TurboGears).

> Best,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> p.s. I didn't respond to the wsgi invite because I'm not really a "wsgi"
> guy.  It is the plumbing that I use but at a level that has me thinking
> about it as much as I think about the 7 layer OS networking model :)
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org



From jay.hannah at iinteractive.com  Thu Jul  7 19:24:29 2011
From: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 12:24:29 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting: Tue July 12 7pm
Message-ID: <185478E7-D883-4613-8BB8-48C5A0733331@iinteractive.com>

I dumped in our volunteer list:

   http://odlug.org/

Nick: Are you ready to go Tuesday? Any Pythonistas willing to do the WSGI (Python) bit? Maybe we should meet over beer this weekend and rough out some code before the meeting.   :)

Justin / Shawn: Are you ready if Nick and I run short? How do August 9th and September 13th look on your calendars?

Did I miss anybody/anything? Other volunteers?

Thanks,

Jay Hannah
Senior Developer / Consultant
http://www.iinteractive.com
Email: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com
AOL IM: deafferret
Mobile: 1.402.598.7782
Fax: 1.402.691.9496






From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Jul 18 23:09:04 2011
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:09:04 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Monday 7/18
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzziB0aSOmtd-H6iiP+sy3nbmOkg8eRjKMFRk1pUaOu=w6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzziB0aSOmtd-H6iiP+sy3nbmOkg8eRjKMFRk1pUaOu=w6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALHZEO_C3T0MQw_1cE+VaC7esz2n1v-0_oHGPKrbkgfjrCjQpw@mail.gmail.com>

Any nominations?

Steve, everything reserved?

_Jeff

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> Anyone want to suggest some topics for this month's meeting?
>
> --
> Steve Young
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
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jeffh at dundeemt.com
402.218.1473
web: www.dundeemt.com
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From steve at alrlighting.com  Mon Jul 18 23:24:30 2011
From: steve at alrlighting.com (Steve Young)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:24:30 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Meeting Monday 7/18
In-Reply-To: <CALHZEO_C3T0MQw_1cE+VaC7esz2n1v-0_oHGPKrbkgfjrCjQpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzziB0aSOmtd-H6iiP+sy3nbmOkg8eRjKMFRk1pUaOu=w6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO_C3T0MQw_1cE+VaC7esz2n1v-0_oHGPKrbkgfjrCjQpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFGSzzhuhpmuT_xg_F2oKiud6YRtzgq9+hmoMShqh5RR_HYe8g@mail.gmail.com>

The room is ours tonight.  See you at 7 (or a little early - I am already
hungry!)

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> Any nominations?
>
> Steve, everything reserved?
>
> _Jeff
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Anyone want to suggest some topics for this month's meeting?
> >
> > --
> > Steve Young
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Hinrichs
> Dundee Media & Technology, Inc
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> 402.218.1473
> web: www.dundeemt.com
> blog: inre.dundeemt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
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