From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 21:50:25 2012
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:50:25 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python for iOS
Message-ID: <CABT9k_Axd=GUOGT3_SgsSd1WnRzK7ANwD+Wj8Rfd+KWjYt4UJA@mail.gmail.com>

I just found out today that Apple lifted their restrictions on iOS apps for
programming (
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/09/02/1710221/will-developers-finally-start-coding-on-the-ipad).
 Does anyone have any experience with Python on iOS? I just bought the app,
but haven't had a chance to play with it.

From jeffh at delasco.com  Tue Sep  4 22:01:52 2012
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:01:52 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python for iOS
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_Axd=GUOGT3_SgsSd1WnRzK7ANwD+Wj8Rfd+KWjYt4UJA@mail.gmail.com>
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How much did it cost?    Don't have an i*/pad/phone  but I am overly
curious!

-Jeff



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com>wrote:

> I just found out today that Apple lifted their restrictions on iOS apps for
> programming (
>
> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/09/02/1710221/will-developers-finally-start-coding-on-the-ipad
> ).
>  Does anyone have any experience with Python on iOS? I just bought the app,
> but haven't had a chance to play with it.
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 22:08:54 2012
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:08:54 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python for iOS
In-Reply-To: <CAHoq1-pYxZEDkchJu_5hXkd_JrrHy5rHzhC_qkfS7HXvS2-N5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABT9k_Axd=GUOGT3_SgsSd1WnRzK7ANwD+Wj8Rfd+KWjYt4UJA@mail.gmail.com>
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$3. Not too bad as far as iPhone apps go.  However, I am guessing you
Android people out there already have a free app available for your
platform.  I guess using an iPhone means I don't always get access to cool
things like notifications and widgets.  However it is shiny and I can feel
cool because I bought an Apple product.

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:

> How much did it cost?    Don't have an i*/pad/phone  but I am overly
> curious!
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I just found out today that Apple lifted their restrictions on iOS apps
> for
> > programming (
> >
> >
> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/09/02/1710221/will-developers-finally-start-coding-on-the-ipad
> > ).
> >  Does anyone have any experience with Python on iOS? I just bought the
> app,
> > but haven't had a chance to play with it.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at delasco.com  Tue Sep  4 23:02:54 2012
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:02:54 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Python for iOS
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_AheiPAmG6DGa8yKrP1g7Bta17bgFWYieWfoHg-z8CkLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABT9k_Axd=GUOGT3_SgsSd1WnRzK7ANwD+Wj8Rfd+KWjYt4UJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHoq1-pYxZEDkchJu_5hXkd_JrrHy5rHzhC_qkfS7HXvS2-N5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_AheiPAmG6DGa8yKrP1g7Bta17bgFWYieWfoHg-z8CkLA@mail.gmail.com>
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http://code.google.com/p/python-for-android/   is supported by SL4A the
script layer for Android.  There are a number of different langauges
support by SL4A.  http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/

Just glad that I'm seeing Python spread the love.  Apple/Android, BSD/Linux
its all Pythonic.


Best,

-Jeff



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com>wrote:

> $3. Not too bad as far as iPhone apps go.  However, I am guessing you
> Android people out there already have a free app available for your
> platform.  I guess using an iPhone means I don't always get access to cool
> things like notifications and widgets.  However it is shiny and I can feel
> cool because I bought an Apple product.
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:
>
> > How much did it cost?    Don't have an i*/pad/phone  but I am overly
> > curious!
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I just found out today that Apple lifted their restrictions on iOS apps
> > for
> > > programming (
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/09/02/1710221/will-developers-finally-start-coding-on-the-ipad
> > > ).
> > >  Does anyone have any experience with Python on iOS? I just bought the
> > app,
> > > but haven't had a chance to play with it.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From dan at linder.org  Sat Sep 15 04:01:33 2012
From: dan at linder.org (Dan Linder)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:01:33 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
Message-ID: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>

For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of it
in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented),
anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't going
to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and other
absolute beginner issues?

For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and jump
into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only from
what I understand).

Thanks!

Dan

P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video production
value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with the
pause button.
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu

-- 
***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
    (Who can watch the watchmen?)
    -- from the Satires of Juvenal
"I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
    -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************

From choman at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 04:06:24 2012
From: choman at gmail.com (Chad Homan)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:06:24 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Xrk5gSoYqVD2d-0cnO+LHP99B0=BfbDFRHNomduyzyJDbeRA@mail.gmail.com>

Check out: a byte of python
On Sep 14, 2012 10:02 PM, "Dan Linder" <dan at linder.org> wrote:

> For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of it
> in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented),
> anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't going
> to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and other
> absolute beginner issues?
>
> For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and jump
> into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only from
> what I understand).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
>
> P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video production
> value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with the
> pause button.
>      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu
>
> --
> ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
>     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
>     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
>     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jaybocc2 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 04:08:31 2012
From: jaybocc2 at gmail.com (Jay Bendon)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:08:31 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <CA+Xrk5gSoYqVD2d-0cnO+LHP99B0=BfbDFRHNomduyzyJDbeRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+Xrk5gSoYqVD2d-0cnO+LHP99B0=BfbDFRHNomduyzyJDbeRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO630U=i7pGhvCNEEdue7NNY6genm89TdNgLnLQkpbyuzk=Oew@mail.gmail.com>

Dive into python is probably the best free resource for learning the
language along with the python pocket reference once you've got the basics
down.
On Sep 14, 2012 9:06 PM, "Chad Homan" <choman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Check out: a byte of python
> On Sep 14, 2012 10:02 PM, "Dan Linder" <dan at linder.org> wrote:
>
> > For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of
> it
> > in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented),
> > anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't going
> > to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and
> other
> > absolute beginner issues?
> >
> > For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and jump
> > into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only
> from
> > what I understand).
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video
> production
> > value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with the
> > pause button.
> >      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu
> >
> > --
> > ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> > "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
> >     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
> >     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> > "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
> >     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> > ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From dan at linder.org  Sat Sep 15 04:31:12 2012
From: dan at linder.org (Dan Linder)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:31:12 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <CAO630U=i7pGhvCNEEdue7NNY6genm89TdNgLnLQkpbyuzk=Oew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+Xrk5gSoYqVD2d-0cnO+LHP99B0=BfbDFRHNomduyzyJDbeRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO630U=i7pGhvCNEEdue7NNY6genm89TdNgLnLQkpbyuzk=Oew@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks, I'll download that one and give it a try.

Dan

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dive into python is probably the best free resource for learning the
> language along with the python pocket reference once you've got the basics
> down.
> On Sep 14, 2012 9:06 PM, "Chad Homan" <choman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Check out: a byte of python
> > On Sep 14, 2012 10:02 PM, "Dan Linder" <dan at linder.org> wrote:
> >
> > > For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of
> > it
> > > in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented),
> > > anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't
> going
> > > to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and
> > other
> > > absolute beginner issues?
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and
> jump
> > > into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only
> > from
> > > what I understand).
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video
> > production
> > > value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with the
> > > pause button.
> > >      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu
> > >
> > > --
> > > ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> > > "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
> > >     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
> > >     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> > > "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
> > >     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> > > ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
    (Who can watch the watchmen?)
    -- from the Satires of Juvenal
"I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
    -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************

From elicriffield at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 04:43:29 2012
From: elicriffield at gmail.com (Eli Criffield)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:43:29 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
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	<CAO630U=i7pGhvCNEEdue7NNY6genm89TdNgLnLQkpbyuzk=Oew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGYusaNrMd+++oKrfYx+-nHPhBA_yCMVykMVxGJTReM2xYopHA@mail.gmail.com>
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http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ is really good, I leaned using that
and haven't seen anything as else as good for someone who's already a
programer.
With that and  the language reference at
http://docs.python.org/reference/index.html you have all you need.

Eli

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Dan Linder <dan at linder.org> wrote:
> Thanks, I'll download that one and give it a try.
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dive into python is probably the best free resource for learning the
>> language along with the python pocket reference once you've got the basics
>> down.
>> On Sep 14, 2012 9:06 PM, "Chad Homan" <choman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Check out: a byte of python
>> > On Sep 14, 2012 10:02 PM, "Dan Linder" <dan at linder.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of
>> > it
>> > > in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented),
>> > > anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't
>> going
>> > > to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and
>> > other
>> > > absolute beginner issues?
>> > >
>> > > For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and
>> jump
>> > > into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only
>> > from
>> > > what I understand).
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > Dan
>> > >
>> > > P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video
>> > production
>> > > value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with the
>> > > pause button.
>> > >      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
>> > > "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
>> > >     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
>> > >     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
>> > > "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
>> > >     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
>> > > ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> > > Omaha at python.org
>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> > Omaha at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
>     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
>     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
>     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org

From dragonfyre13 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 05:17:37 2012
From: dragonfyre13 at gmail.com (Tim Alexander)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 22:17:37 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
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Wow, that was timely. I just answered this less than a day ago for someone
off list. My response below (and yes I do write books in response to IM
questions, thank you very much ^_^):

"Hitchhikers guide to python" is better than most of the books I've
purchased for it. It's a lot like Dive Into Python (the good parts of DIP),
but actually updated: http://docs.python-guide.org

The "official documentation" is better by far than docs for many other
languages I've seen. Nice examples, good organization (IMHO), etc.
http://docs.python.org/

Start with the hitchhikers guide, then use docs.python.org for reference
and further reading. If you do come across someone who needs the "I wanna
program" level stuff, or even just a refresher or project to get working in
the language, the thing that I point to for people to learn python is
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/. Goes through it like a class, free (HTML
version), question/answer stuff, self exams, etc.

One of the first things when people start working here that aren't used to
python but might be touching my code is to send them through that book.
Where it falls down is teaching libraries, advanced usage of things like
decorators etc. but lo and behold, that's where the hitchhiker's guide
shines ^_^

Once you're through the hitchhikers guide and comfortable digging through
the official docs, you're as up to speed as a vast majority of the
non-professional python people I've come across. From that point, it's
maybe hitting PyPi (think CPAN) to check out if there's a library to do
something specific, or digging through the official docs. You pretty much
just keep referencing docs.python.org to look up how to do X or what that
one exception type was you used that one time.

FYI - Remember to look in the official lib first. Python is much more
"batteries included" than many languages, perl included (IMHO).

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Eli Criffield <elicriffield at gmail.com>wrote:

> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ is really good, I leaned using that
> and haven't seen anything as else as good for someone who's already a
> programer.
> With that and  the language reference at
> http://docs.python.org/reference/index.html you have all you need.
>
> Eli
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Dan Linder <dan at linder.org> wrote:
> > Thanks, I'll download that one and give it a try.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dive into python is probably the best free resource for learning the
> >> language along with the python pocket reference once you've got the
> basics
> >> down.
> >> On Sep 14, 2012 9:06 PM, "Chad Homan" <choman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Check out: a byte of python
> >> > On Sep 14, 2012 10:02 PM, "Dan Linder" <dan at linder.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do
> much of
> >> > it
> >> > > in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object
> oriented),
> >> > > anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't
> >> going
> >> > > to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and
> >> > other
> >> > > absolute beginner issues?
> >> > >
> >> > > For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and
> >> jump
> >> > > into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X
> only
> >> > from
> >> > > what I understand).
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks!
> >> > >
> >> > > Dan
> >> > >
> >> > > P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video
> >> > production
> >> > > value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with
> the
> >> > > pause button.
> >> > >      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> >> > > "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
> >> > >     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
> >> > >     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> >> > > "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
> >> > >     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> >> > > ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> > > Omaha at python.org
> >> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >> > >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> > Omaha at python.org
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> Omaha at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> > "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
> >     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
> >     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> > "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
> >     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> > ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From newz at bearfruit.org  Mon Sep 17 16:28:51 2012
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:28:51 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+aQ9xe1O0+02xWA9HvSLFMeSqtkkcDRq8tXrWi96EG19OPWQ@mail.gmail.com>

There is a nice low cost and terse book called "Python phrasebook" by Brad
Dayley which does a good job of explaining the language and demonstrating
how to do various common tasks. Reading through it will help you understand
the language and it has lasting value as a small desk-side reference for
those times when you need to jog your memory.

An answer to a question you didn't ask that you need to be aware of is that
the Python community is in a transition while the language makes a somewhat
major shift. Python 2.7 and Python 3.3 are both supported versions of
Python and are different enough that you can get confused if you're not
aware of it.

I wish I could say, "As a new comer to Python, definitely start with Python
3.x," but alas there are some really great python modules that haven't
quite yet added Python 3 support. (For example, it is still experimental
with Django)

Worse, there are few good books that focus on Python 3. So there is a good
chance that you will write your code with Python 2.7. There's nothing wrong
with this, but you should be aware of it. For example, if you're using
Ubuntu 12.10 you'll have to install Python 2.7 with apt. If you're using
Windows make sure to download the proper version.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Dan Linder <dan at linder.org> wrote:

> For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of it
> in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented),
> anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't going
> to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and other
> absolute beginner issues?
>
> For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and jump
> into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only from
> what I understand).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
>
> P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video production
> value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with the
> pause button.
>      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu
>
> --
> ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
>     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
>     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
>     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter

? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Mon Sep 17 16:37:00 2012
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:37:00 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <CAN+aQ9xe1O0+02xWA9HvSLFMeSqtkkcDRq8tXrWi96EG19OPWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9xe1O0+02xWA9HvSLFMeSqtkkcDRq8tXrWi96EG19OPWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALHZEO8ke08EtVdAew6mbHq+2Ddig=EWnXMeML3Yp4R684_TGA@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest a read over the Zen of Python
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/

When coming from another language, understanding the goals of the language
helps when you are transitioning/learning.  I believe it helps resolve the
mental dissonance that occur when you encounter "Why to they do X when I
use to to X' or Y in my previous language?"

I get quite a bit out of reading well written code in the target language.
 My first experience with Python was an mp3 server script (edna.py) happily
written by Greg Stein (a good programmer).  I was coming from a C, VB,
Pascal type languages.

Best,

Jeff

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> There is a nice low cost and terse book called "Python phrasebook" by Brad
> Dayley which does a good job of explaining the language and demonstrating
> how to do various common tasks. Reading through it will help you understand
> the language and it has lasting value as a small desk-side reference for
> those times when you need to jog your memory.
>
> An answer to a question you didn't ask that you need to be aware of is that
> the Python community is in a transition while the language makes a somewhat
> major shift. Python 2.7 and Python 3.3 are both supported versions of
> Python and are different enough that you can get confused if you're not
> aware of it.
>
> I wish I could say, "As a new comer to Python, definitely start with Python
> 3.x," but alas there are some really great python modules that haven't
> quite yet added Python 3 support. (For example, it is still experimental
> with Django)
>
> Worse, there are few good books that focus on Python 3. So there is a good
> chance that you will write your code with Python 2.7. There's nothing wrong
> with this, but you should be aware of it. For example, if you're using
> Ubuntu 12.10 you'll have to install Python 2.7 with apt. If you're using
> Windows make sure to download the proper version.
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Dan Linder <dan at linder.org> wrote:
>
> > For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of
> it
> > in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented),
> > anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't going
> > to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and
> other
> > absolute beginner issues?
> >
> > For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and jump
> > into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only
> from
> > what I understand).
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video
> production
> > value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with the
> > pause button.
> >      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu
> >
> > --
> > ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> > "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
> >     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
> >     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> > "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
> >     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> > ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
>
> ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Best,

Jeff Hinrichs
402.218.1473

From dan at linder.org  Mon Sep 17 18:29:01 2012
From: dan at linder.org (Dan Linder)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:29:01 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Book suggestions for a Perl programmer wanting to learn
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <CALHZEO8ke08EtVdAew6mbHq+2Ddig=EWnXMeML3Yp4R684_TGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGYusaO1LeagwzRFftigijybsw8O4SaGa+YoDNL=OJ8Y-aT4PA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9xe1O0+02xWA9HvSLFMeSqtkkcDRq8tXrWi96EG19OPWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO8ke08EtVdAew6mbHq+2Ddig=EWnXMeML3Yp4R684_TGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGYusaO7GUBv0+AZDDZ61EXf76MW6e9FW_He=ZZpPR87G+=9ow@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to you and  Matthew Nuzum for the pointers.  I do plan to start
learning with 2.7 so I'll tackle the 3.X changes in the future.

Thanks again,
Dan

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> I would suggest a read over the Zen of Python
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/
>
> When coming from another language, understanding the goals of the language
> helps when you are transitioning/learning.  I believe it helps resolve the
> mental dissonance that occur when you encounter "Why to they do X when I
> use to to X' or Y in my previous language?"
>
> I get quite a bit out of reading well written code in the target language.
>  My first experience with Python was an mp3 server script (edna.py) happily
> written by Greg Stein (a good programmer).  I was coming from a C, VB,
> Pascal type languages.
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>
> > There is a nice low cost and terse book called "Python phrasebook" by
> Brad
> > Dayley which does a good job of explaining the language and demonstrating
> > how to do various common tasks. Reading through it will help you
> understand
> > the language and it has lasting value as a small desk-side reference for
> > those times when you need to jog your memory.
> >
> > An answer to a question you didn't ask that you need to be aware of is
> that
> > the Python community is in a transition while the language makes a
> somewhat
> > major shift. Python 2.7 and Python 3.3 are both supported versions of
> > Python and are different enough that you can get confused if you're not
> > aware of it.
> >
> > I wish I could say, "As a new comer to Python, definitely start with
> Python
> > 3.x," but alas there are some really great python modules that haven't
> > quite yet added Python 3 support. (For example, it is still experimental
> > with Django)
> >
> > Worse, there are few good books that focus on Python 3. So there is a
> good
> > chance that you will write your code with Python 2.7. There's nothing
> wrong
> > with this, but you should be aware of it. For example, if you're using
> > Ubuntu 12.10 you'll have to install Python 2.7 with apt. If you're using
> > Windows make sure to download the proper version.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Dan Linder <dan at linder.org> wrote:
> >
> > > For a project I'm deciding to branch out and force myself to do much of
> > it
> > > in Python.  I'm well versed in Perl (functional and object oriented),
> > > anyone have any suggestions for a Python book to pick up that isn't
> going
> > > to spend the first 1/3 of the book describing what a variable is and
> > other
> > > absolute beginner issues?
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, I'm probably going to start with Python 2.7 and
> jump
> > > into 3 when I'm done with my project (many of the modules are 2.X only
> > from
> > > what I understand).
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > P.S. I'm watching this guys Python tutorial videos.  Good video
> > production
> > > value, and easy enough to follow along as long as you're quick with the
> > > pause button.
> > >      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uf6wGL8B7g&feature=relmfu
> > >
> > > --
> > > ***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
> > > "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
> > >     (Who can watch the watchmen?)
> > >     -- from the Satires of Juvenal
> > > "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
> > >     -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
> > > ** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Nuzum
> > newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
> >
> > ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> 402.218.1473
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
***************** ************* *********** ******* ***** *** **
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
    (Who can watch the watchmen?)
    -- from the Satires of Juvenal
"I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them."
    -- Isaac Asimov (Author)
** *** ***** ******* *********** ************* *****************

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 00:11:42 2012
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:11:42 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
Message-ID: <CAFGSzzgpKUJk5az4PjmrYs-BTj10FwNbbOvdnjgbZE1FdhG8Tw@mail.gmail.com>

You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?

It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin business, so I
would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.

Steve

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Sep 18 06:15:36 2012
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:15:36 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
Message-ID: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a programmer
and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go for
1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I touch
type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would recommend?
 T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to after
market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and consumer
displays are a no-go for me.

Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload of
wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and laptops.
 Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or cisco
e4200??

-- 
Best,

Jeff Hinrichs
402.218.1473

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Sep 18 06:24:25 2012
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:24:25 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzzgpKUJk5az4PjmrYs-BTj10FwNbbOvdnjgbZE1FdhG8Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzgpKUJk5az4PjmrYs-BTj10FwNbbOvdnjgbZE1FdhG8Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALHZEO_GYJH7KMTRjJ6jXmHtcG1t0xSR8=FwHFWztFfbXS0zgA@mail.gmail.com>

I plan on attending.  Now that we are in season, I've got Wednesday nights
open (mostly).   We should have a book as a Door prize!  Yes, that is a
great idea.   I've got a book (new from O'Reilly) that I'll bring to the
meeting and we'll find it a home!  Don't know which one cause they sent me
a few.  I'll grab on at random and bring it with.

I am looking forward to the best meeting ever!

Best,

Jeff

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?
>
> It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin business, so I
> would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Best,

Jeff Hinrichs
402.218.1473

From jaybocc2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 06:41:07 2012
From: jaybocc2 at gmail.com (Jay Bendon)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:41:07 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO630Uk_b70Yj__2YssDix=a8mW3wVNPDWi7tnPeRznjo02fag@mail.gmail.com>

We use t420's or whatevers the latest t4 from lenovo at the office.  I'm
sitll on a 2 & 1/2 year old T400 going solid, and its been dropped, punted,
beer spilled on etc.

I like it and it works well and reliably.  Alternately you could get an
non-retina display MBP and cram linux onto it. We use those aswell (with
macos though, not linux) and they're durable/reliable aswell.

ymmv
--Jay


On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a programmer
> and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go for
> 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I touch
> type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would recommend?
>  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
> market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to after
> market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and consumer
> displays are a no-go for me.
>
> Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload of
> wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and laptops.
>  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or cisco
> e4200??
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> 402.218.1473
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jaybocc2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 06:46:24 2012
From: jaybocc2 at gmail.com (Jay Bendon)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:46:24 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAO630Uk_b70Yj__2YssDix=a8mW3wVNPDWi7tnPeRznjo02fag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO630Uk_b70Yj__2YssDix=a8mW3wVNPDWi7tnPeRznjo02fag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO630Unw-6Yx30HiVP3H=i4zy1vfxqybu+GFe9g08sDZCcHWCA@mail.gmail.com>

As for wireless routers, i haven't looked into anything in a long time, but
i still swear up and down by my Asus RT-N16 with dd-wrt (
http://www.amazon.com/RT-N16-Wireless-N-Maximum-Performance-single/dp/B00387G6R8)
though my coworker just picked up asus's latest offering in wireless
routers for $120~ and it comes preinstalled with openWRT i believe, which
is pretty nice and he says its pretty solid aswell.

fwiw my rt-n16 has a lot of muscle and hasn't failed me, nor has it been
incapable of handling what i throw at it.

i stream from my blu ray player, ps3, multiple android phones and laptops /
chromebooks inside my household with no issues. Granted only 3-6 devices
are active at one time since its just me and my wife and we have to speak
to each other once in a while... ;)

--Jay


On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> We use t420's or whatevers the latest t4 from lenovo at the office.  I'm
> sitll on a 2 & 1/2 year old T400 going solid, and its been dropped, punted,
> beer spilled on etc.
>
> I like it and it works well and reliably.  Alternately you could get an
> non-retina display MBP and cram linux onto it. We use those aswell (with
> macos though, not linux) and they're durable/reliable aswell.
>
> ymmv
> --Jay
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a programmer
>> and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go
>> for
>> 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I
>> touch
>> type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would
>> recommend?
>>  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
>> market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to after
>> market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and
>> consumer
>> displays are a no-go for me.
>>
>> Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload of
>> wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and laptops.
>>  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or cisco
>> e4200??
>>
>> --
>> Best,
>>
>> Jeff Hinrichs
>> 402.218.1473
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>

From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 14:07:08 2012
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:07:08 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CALHZEO_GYJH7KMTRjJ6jXmHtcG1t0xSR8=FwHFWztFfbXS0zgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzgpKUJk5az4PjmrYs-BTj10FwNbbOvdnjgbZE1FdhG8Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO_GYJH7KMTRjJ6jXmHtcG1t0xSR8=FwHFWztFfbXS0zgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABT9k_Arim9FHx6wyFpxay3yjKGsN=X7fx7J2-WOYYvvJASysA@mail.gmail.com>

I would love to attend, but it is scheduled at the same time as Beer and
Code.  Both groups have ended up meeting at the same time for the last few
months.  While my loyalties to Python are very high, beer is .... well
beer.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> I plan on attending.  Now that we are in season, I've got Wednesday nights
> open (mostly).   We should have a book as a Door prize!  Yes, that is a
> great idea.   I've got a book (new from O'Reilly) that I'll bring to the
> meeting and we'll find it a home!  Don't know which one cause they sent me
> a few.  I'll grab on at random and bring it with.
>
> I am looking forward to the best meeting ever!
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?
> >
> > It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin business, so I
> > would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.
> >
> > Steve
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> 402.218.1473
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 14:54:06 2012
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:54:06 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAO630Unw-6Yx30HiVP3H=i4zy1vfxqybu+GFe9g08sDZCcHWCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO630Uk_b70Yj__2YssDix=a8mW3wVNPDWi7tnPeRznjo02fag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO630Unw-6Yx30HiVP3H=i4zy1vfxqybu+GFe9g08sDZCcHWCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFGSzziKx6M1GVQio=QZCOmzYE2MhhLEVgeu2ugkLdJyqODfqA@mail.gmail.com>

I don
Steve


On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> As for wireless routers, i haven't looked into anything in a long time, but
> i still swear up and down by my Asus RT-N16 with dd-wrt (
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-N16-Wireless-N-Maximum-Performance-single/dp/B00387G6R8
> )
> though my coworker just picked up asus's latest offering in wireless
> routers for $120~ and it comes preinstalled with openWRT i believe, which
> is pretty nice and he says its pretty solid aswell.
>
> fwiw my rt-n16 has a lot of muscle and hasn't failed me, nor has it been
> incapable of handling what i throw at it.
>
> i stream from my blu ray player, ps3, multiple android phones and laptops /
> chromebooks inside my household with no issues. Granted only 3-6 devices
> are active at one time since its just me and my wife and we have to speak
> to each other once in a while... ;)
>
> --Jay
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We use t420's or whatevers the latest t4 from lenovo at the office.  I'm
> > sitll on a 2 & 1/2 year old T400 going solid, and its been dropped,
> punted,
> > beer spilled on etc.
> >
> > I like it and it works well and reliably.  Alternately you could get an
> > non-retina display MBP and cram linux onto it. We use those aswell (with
> > macos though, not linux) and they're durable/reliable aswell.
> >
> > ymmv
> > --Jay
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a programmer
> >> and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go
> >> for
> >> 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I
> >> touch
> >> type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would
> >> recommend?
> >>  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
> >> market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to after
> >> market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and
> >> consumer
> >> displays are a no-go for me.
> >>
> >> Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload
> of
> >> wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and
> laptops.
> >>  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or
> cisco
> >> e4200??
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Jeff Hinrichs
> >> 402.218.1473
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> Omaha at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 14:59:00 2012
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:59:00 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzziKx6M1GVQio=QZCOmzYE2MhhLEVgeu2ugkLdJyqODfqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO630Uk_b70Yj__2YssDix=a8mW3wVNPDWi7tnPeRznjo02fag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO630Unw-6Yx30HiVP3H=i4zy1vfxqybu+GFe9g08sDZCcHWCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFGSzziKx6M1GVQio=QZCOmzYE2MhhLEVgeu2ugkLdJyqODfqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFGSzzh=FqJKc4Ot+scH2FQi2QCp8GXRVbkcBpy+W9+M-+9c_A@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry about that, I guess gmail has keyboard shortcuts...

I was saying, I don't have a specific laptop, but do heartily recommend the
SSD.  I put one in an aging laptop and I still cannot believe the
difference it makes.  I have to travel several times a day, and the
sleep/wake process takes only a few seconds.

Steve


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As for wireless routers, i haven't looked into anything in a long time,
>> but
>> i still swear up and down by my Asus RT-N16 with dd-wrt (
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/RT-N16-Wireless-N-Maximum-Performance-single/dp/B00387G6R8
>> )
>> though my coworker just picked up asus's latest offering in wireless
>> routers for $120~ and it comes preinstalled with openWRT i believe, which
>> is pretty nice and he says its pretty solid aswell.
>>
>> fwiw my rt-n16 has a lot of muscle and hasn't failed me, nor has it been
>> incapable of handling what i throw at it.
>>
>> i stream from my blu ray player, ps3, multiple android phones and laptops
>> /
>> chromebooks inside my household with no issues. Granted only 3-6 devices
>> are active at one time since its just me and my wife and we have to speak
>> to each other once in a while... ;)
>>
>> --Jay
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > We use t420's or whatevers the latest t4 from lenovo at the office.  I'm
>> > sitll on a 2 & 1/2 year old T400 going solid, and its been dropped,
>> punted,
>> > beer spilled on etc.
>> >
>> > I like it and it works well and reliably.  Alternately you could get an
>> > non-retina display MBP and cram linux onto it. We use those aswell (with
>> > macos though, not linux) and they're durable/reliable aswell.
>> >
>> > ymmv
>> > --Jay
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
>> jeffh at dundeemt.com
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a
>> programmer
>> >> and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go
>> >> for
>> >> 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I
>> >> touch
>> >> type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would
>> >> recommend?
>> >>  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
>> >> market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to
>> after
>> >> market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and
>> >> consumer
>> >> displays are a no-go for me.
>> >>
>> >> Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload
>> of
>> >> wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and
>> laptops.
>> >>  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or
>> cisco
>> >> e4200??
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Jeff Hinrichs
>> >> 402.218.1473
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> >> Omaha at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
>> Omaha at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
>> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>>
>
>

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 15:10:56 2012
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:10:56 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Sturdy Laptop hardware
Message-ID: <CAFGSzzhhnVSRBv=EqEgVtQ8720whtzT5XAPWbhhPbzT8=riy1A@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff's question reminded me of a situation I have recently come across and
don't have enough experience with.  An architecture firm has recently
started buying Macbooks because they think the hardware is better than
other laptops they have used - mostly HP.  But most of their software is
Windows only, so they boot into Windows most of the time.

With having to maintain 2 OS's, purchasing the additional licence for
windows, and the premium one pays for Apple hardware and accessories, it
seems like it is a money pit to do this?  Or are the Macbooks that much
more reliable?  And can you upgrade Macbooks with memory or harddrive?

I should mention they are pretty rough with the laptops... going to
construction jobs, carrying around in backpacks...


Steve

From Payne at MattPayne.org  Tue Sep 18 15:12:07 2012
From: Payne at MattPayne.org (Matt Payne)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:12:07 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzzh=FqJKc4Ot+scH2FQi2QCp8GXRVbkcBpy+W9+M-+9c_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO630Uk_b70Yj__2YssDix=a8mW3wVNPDWi7tnPeRznjo02fag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO630Unw-6Yx30HiVP3H=i4zy1vfxqybu+GFe9g08sDZCcHWCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFGSzziKx6M1GVQio=QZCOmzYE2MhhLEVgeu2ugkLdJyqODfqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFGSzzh=FqJKc4Ot+scH2FQi2QCp8GXRVbkcBpy+W9+M-+9c_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOQmnQHtaE7JsWyFXe34os9LfGMsiguV0U+mNDiHsVJBA0v77Q@mail.gmail.com>

I bought a Lenovo V570 for about $570 from best buy a few months ago and am
happy with it.   With 6GB of RAM it performs fine.   It's nice to not carry
a $2000+ laptop around.  I dual boot Ubuntu 12.04 and Windows 7 (that it
came with). --Matt Payne

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sorry about that, I guess gmail has keyboard shortcuts...
>
> I was saying, I don't have a specific laptop, but do heartily recommend the
> SSD.  I put one in an aging laptop and I still cannot believe the
> difference it makes.  I have to travel several times a day, and the
> sleep/wake process takes only a few seconds.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I don
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As for wireless routers, i haven't looked into anything in a long time,
> >> but
> >> i still swear up and down by my Asus RT-N16 with dd-wrt (
> >>
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-N16-Wireless-N-Maximum-Performance-single/dp/B00387G6R8
> >> )
> >> though my coworker just picked up asus's latest offering in wireless
> >> routers for $120~ and it comes preinstalled with openWRT i believe,
> which
> >> is pretty nice and he says its pretty solid aswell.
> >>
> >> fwiw my rt-n16 has a lot of muscle and hasn't failed me, nor has it been
> >> incapable of handling what i throw at it.
> >>
> >> i stream from my blu ray player, ps3, multiple android phones and
> laptops
> >> /
> >> chromebooks inside my household with no issues. Granted only 3-6 devices
> >> are active at one time since its just me and my wife and we have to
> speak
> >> to each other once in a while... ;)
> >>
> >> --Jay
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Jay Bendon <jaybocc2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > We use t420's or whatevers the latest t4 from lenovo at the office.
>  I'm
> >> > sitll on a 2 & 1/2 year old T400 going solid, and its been dropped,
> >> punted,
> >> > beer spilled on etc.
> >> >
> >> > I like it and it works well and reliably.  Alternately you could get
> an
> >> > non-retina display MBP and cram linux onto it. We use those aswell
> (with
> >> > macos though, not linux) and they're durable/reliable aswell.
> >> >
> >> > ymmv
> >> > --Jay
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <
> >> jeffh at dundeemt.com
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a
> >> programmer
> >> >> and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't
> go
> >> >> for
> >> >> 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I
> >> >> touch
> >> >> type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would
> >> >> recommend?
> >> >>  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
> >> >> market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to
> >> after
> >> >> market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and
> >> >> consumer
> >> >> displays are a no-go for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a
> boatload
> >> of
> >> >> wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and
> >> laptops.
> >> >>  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or
> >> cisco
> >> >> e4200??
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Best,
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff Hinrichs
> >> >> 402.218.1473
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> >> Omaha at python.org
> >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> >> Omaha at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> >> http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >>
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From mike at squarepegsystems.com  Tue Sep 18 15:27:14 2012
From: mike at squarepegsystems.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:27:14 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1_9RU=G67GZja6cM7fCx+qzk9=xNxgXnkvkhS4VYbaDF8Feg@mail.gmail.com>

If you don't mind spending a bit more, I recommend one from System76:

https://www.system76.com/laptops/

I bought mine a couple of years ago and I really can't be happier. The
machine just works, and they always have instructions on how to upgrade
Ubuntu when a new version comes out. The one or two times I had to ask for
support they were extremely fast and courteous.

They come with Ubuntu installed but they give you instructions to install
and duel-boot into Windows if that's your thing (it's not mine . . . )

You can customize it and they will built it after you order. I have a code
for 10% off (essentially free shipping)



On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a programmer
> and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go for
> 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I touch
> type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would recommend?
>  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
> market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to after
> market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and consumer
> displays are a no-go for me.
>
> Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload of
> wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and laptops.
>  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or cisco
> e4200??
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> 402.218.1473
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Mike Hostetler
SquarePeg Systems
http://www.squarepegsystems.com

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Sep 18 17:06:03 2012
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:06:03 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Sturdy Laptop hardware
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzzhhnVSRBv=EqEgVtQ8720whtzT5XAPWbhhPbzT8=riy1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzhhnVSRBv=EqEgVtQ8720whtzT5XAPWbhhPbzT8=riy1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALHZEO8pbw8Xt+k3GiLUfb=ELZ45yP_+4H9PX8DM28b+pS29Ow@mail.gmail.com>

With respect the latest macbook air, it doesn't look good   --
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/opinion-apple-retina-displa/
As long as there are regular mcb's you should be able to upgrade.
I am not a fan of the value proposition of an mcb, especially when have to
latch on to iStore's umbilical cord to do anything.  This isn't a hard ware
thing but a constrained market thing I have w/ apple in general.


Best,

Jeff

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jeff's question reminded me of a situation I have recently come across and
> don't have enough experience with.  An architecture firm has recently
> started buying Macbooks because they think the hardware is better than
> other laptops they have used - mostly HP.  But most of their software is
> Windows only, so they boot into Windows most of the time.
>
> With having to maintain 2 OS's, purchasing the additional licence for
> windows, and the premium one pays for Apple hardware and accessories, it
> seems like it is a money pit to do this?  Or are the Macbooks that much
> more reliable?  And can you upgrade Macbooks with memory or harddrive?
>
> I should mention they are pretty rough with the laptops... going to
> construction jobs, carrying around in backpacks...
>
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Best,

Jeff Hinrichs
402.218.1473

From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 19:06:28 2012
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:06:28 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAE1_9RU=G67GZja6cM7fCx+qzk9=xNxgXnkvkhS4VYbaDF8Feg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1_9RU=G67GZja6cM7fCx+qzk9=xNxgXnkvkhS4VYbaDF8Feg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABT9k_AwLKCfueD4jA408HqCi2YXzJqChCVFvoBYKLk9YFqCRw@mail.gmail.com>

About two years ago I picked up an Alienware M15x.  Based on my experience
with this laptop, I recommend against going with it. It has good specs, but
has a lot of little issues.  I have also been using some variation of a
ThinkPad for the last 8 years.  I personally like the ThinkPads.  They are
pretty solid and affordable.

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Mike Hostetler
<mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:

> If you don't mind spending a bit more, I recommend one from System76:
>
> https://www.system76.com/laptops/
>
> I bought mine a couple of years ago and I really can't be happier. The
> machine just works, and they always have instructions on how to upgrade
> Ubuntu when a new version comes out. The one or two times I had to ask for
> support they were extremely fast and courteous.
>
> They come with Ubuntu installed but they give you instructions to install
> and duel-boot into Windows if that's your thing (it's not mine . . . )
>
> You can customize it and they will built it after you order. I have a code
> for 10% off (essentially free shipping)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
>
> > I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a programmer
> > and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go
> for
> > 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I
> touch
> > type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would
> recommend?
> >  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
> > market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to after
> > market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and
> consumer
> > displays are a no-go for me.
> >
> > Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload of
> > wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and
> laptops.
> >  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or cisco
> > e4200??
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff Hinrichs
> > 402.218.1473
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Mike Hostetler
> SquarePeg Systems
> http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at dundeemt.com  Tue Sep 18 19:16:42 2012
From: jeffh at dundeemt.com (Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:16:42 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_AwLKCfueD4jA408HqCi2YXzJqChCVFvoBYKLk9YFqCRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1_9RU=G67GZja6cM7fCx+qzk9=xNxgXnkvkhS4VYbaDF8Feg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_AwLKCfueD4jA408HqCi2YXzJqChCVFvoBYKLk9YFqCRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALHZEO9f05GYq-HAuPCFprvR4R-9HiqS17BsQCL2FxacYzY4qw@mail.gmail.com>

Based on feedback, I'm currently looking at a T530 w/4GB+ i5(i3210)
 1600x900 antiglare  for ~810.00   off of shop.lenovo,  Does that sound
like a decent price?  From what I'm seeing from Dell, et al, that seems to
be a decent price point for something above a consumer grade lappy.

They've got a 1920x1080 option but want +200 for that over what I've listed
above.  Anyone running 1920x1080 on a 15.6 monitor?  What do you think?
 Time to run to a store and see if I can find something to look at, anyone
carry thinkpads locally?


Best,

Jeff


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com>wrote:

> About two years ago I picked up an Alienware M15x.  Based on my experience
> with this laptop, I recommend against going with it. It has good specs, but
> has a lot of little issues.  I have also been using some variation of a
> ThinkPad for the last 8 years.  I personally like the ThinkPads.  They are
> pretty solid and affordable.
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Mike Hostetler
> <mike at squarepegsystems.com>wrote:
>
> > If you don't mind spending a bit more, I recommend one from System76:
> >
> > https://www.system76.com/laptops/
> >
> > I bought mine a couple of years ago and I really can't be happier. The
> > machine just works, and they always have instructions on how to upgrade
> > Ubuntu when a new version comes out. The one or two times I had to ask
> for
> > support they were extremely fast and courteous.
> >
> > They come with Ubuntu installed but they give you instructions to install
> > and duel-boot into Windows if that's your thing (it's not mine . . . )
> >
> > You can customize it and they will built it after you order. I have a
> code
> > for 10% off (essentially free shipping)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> > <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a
> programmer
> > > and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go
> > for
> > > 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I
> > touch
> > > type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would
> > recommend?
> > >  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
> > > market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to
> after
> > > market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and
> > consumer
> > > displays are a no-go for me.
> > >
> > > Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload
> of
> > > wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and
> > laptops.
> > >  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or
> cisco
> > > e4200??
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > 402.218.1473
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mike Hostetler
> > SquarePeg Systems
> > http://www.squarepegsystems.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Best,

Jeff Hinrichs
402.218.1473

From newz at bearfruit.org  Tue Sep 18 23:58:55 2012
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:58:55 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALHZEO_-bs4qD202zVEcUfWiAbHNv4jL+xDboPaGL-7+A55C-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+aQ9wzwVy-DjbfQZ1Ss8QeTmj+tUjcEqheQ02saCu-sn2E7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, as far as *nix friendly laptops, I know for a fact that among Canonical
employees, the Thinkpad X series and the Dell XPS 13 [1] are used a lot and
therefore have great hardware support in Ubuntu. I've seen a lot of Mac
Book Pros running Ubuntu as well, though they tend to need cutting edge
releases to have great hardware support (and don't get the Retina one yet).
So, for example, if you bought one this summer you'd expect it to work well
with 12.10 and not so much with 12.04 (though starting with 12.04 LTS
versions get kernel updates to support new hardware until the next LTS).

Regarding routers, I'm really happy with the latest Linksys routers. I
bought the E2500 and it has great support for IPv6 and am now using it
throughout my house. It's (I think) ~$70 and is dual band 2.4GHz / 5GHz
which has been a tremendous asset in my house. I heard from a friend that
E4200 has all the benefits of the E2500 and more. (she helped me configure
IPv6 on mine based on how she configured it on hers)

Also, I have a chicklet style keyboard on my MBP and type 85-90 wpm no
problem. I don't think it hinders me typing at all. However, I realize
keyboard preference is highly personal and also "chicklet" style keyboards
can vary from one brand laptop to another. I'm just saying you might not
want to be too quick to discount it based on looks.

[1] See Project Sputnik for a great Ubuntu workstation
http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/d/campaigns/sputnik

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
<jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:

> I am looking to replace my aging laptop and I'm looking for a programmer
> and *nix friendly system.  I5 or I3 + High resolution screen  (won't go for
> 1366x768 ick) and a good keyboard (not a fan of the chiclet kb's -- I touch
> type)   Anyone bought something similar recently that they would recommend?
>  T series thinkpads?  I don't have a problem filling it up with after
> market memory or SSDs most vendors charge way too much compared to after
> market prices.  I've looked at system76 but those chiclet keys and consumer
> displays are a no-go for me.
>
> Also, I could stand to update my wireless router.  I've got a boatload of
> wireless devices in the house, many stream video (roku boxes) and laptops.
>  Anyone want to recommend something?  Cisco ea3500, Netgear n750 or cisco
> e4200??
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Jeff Hinrichs
> 402.218.1473
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter

? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?

From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 14:59:33 2012
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:59:33 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_Arim9FHx6wyFpxay3yjKGsN=X7fx7J2-WOYYvvJASysA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzgpKUJk5az4PjmrYs-BTj10FwNbbOvdnjgbZE1FdhG8Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO_GYJH7KMTRjJ6jXmHtcG1t0xSR8=FwHFWztFfbXS0zgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_Arim9FHx6wyFpxay3yjKGsN=X7fx7J2-WOYYvvJASysA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFGSzzim02zuAGardJa4c=ajU8bva-Z+FuHLeeGPohYh1d-xSQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Shawn - we don't have any beer, but you can bring your own. We moved from
Mondays to Wednesdays a few months ago and did not know we were competing
with another group - we can discuss that tonight.

Steve


On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com>wrote:

> I would love to attend, but it is scheduled at the same time as Beer and
> Code.  Both groups have ended up meeting at the same time for the last few
> months.  While my loyalties to Python are very high, beer is .... well
> beer.
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
>
> > I plan on attending.  Now that we are in season, I've got Wednesday
> nights
> > open (mostly).   We should have a book as a Door prize!  Yes, that is a
> > great idea.   I've got a book (new from O'Reilly) that I'll bring to the
> > meeting and we'll find it a home!  Don't know which one cause they sent
> me
> > a few.  I'll grab on at random and bring it with.
> >
> > I am looking forward to the best meeting ever!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?
> > >
> > > It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin business,
> so I
> > > would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> >
> > Jeff Hinrichs
> > 402.218.1473
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at delasco.com  Wed Sep 19 16:10:32 2012
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:10:32 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzzim02zuAGardJa4c=ajU8bva-Z+FuHLeeGPohYh1d-xSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzgpKUJk5az4PjmrYs-BTj10FwNbbOvdnjgbZE1FdhG8Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO_GYJH7KMTRjJ6jXmHtcG1t0xSR8=FwHFWztFfbXS0zgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_Arim9FHx6wyFpxay3yjKGsN=X7fx7J2-WOYYvvJASysA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFGSzzim02zuAGardJa4c=ajU8bva-Z+FuHLeeGPohYh1d-xSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHoq1-qqr6G-u0Ho5xmJEtEk9scWHtd6dZJExaJXmb-kJp4Qwg@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,
Would you post a notice to the website for tonights meeting.  Just a quick
where and when so it makes planet python?

Best,

-Jeff



On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> > Shawn - we don't have any beer, but you can bring your own. We moved from
> Mondays to Wednesdays a few months ago and did not know we were competing
> with another group - we can discuss that tonight.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I would love to attend, but it is scheduled at the same time as Beer and
> > Code.  Both groups have ended up meeting at the same time for the last
> few
> > months.  While my loyalties to Python are very high, beer is .... well
> > beer.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> > <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I plan on attending.  Now that we are in season, I've got Wednesday
> > nights
> > > open (mostly).   We should have a book as a Door prize!  Yes, that is a
> > > great idea.   I've got a book (new from O'Reilly) that I'll bring to
> the
> > > meeting and we'll find it a home!  Don't know which one cause they sent
> > me
> > > a few.  I'll grab on at random and bring it with.
> > >
> > > I am looking forward to the best meeting ever!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Steve Young <
> wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?
> > > >
> > > > It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin business,
> > so I
> > > > would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > 402.218.1473
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Sep 19 17:21:15 2012
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:21:15 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Sturdy Laptop hardware
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzzhhnVSRBv=EqEgVtQ8720whtzT5XAPWbhhPbzT8=riy1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzhhnVSRBv=EqEgVtQ8720whtzT5XAPWbhhPbzT8=riy1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN+aQ9zdXugYm5BN+PLHSZroANfU0Y94PK9Kz3TvSOJRkvYw-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jeff's question reminded me of a situation I have recently come across and
> don't have enough experience with.  An architecture firm has recently
> started buying Macbooks because they think the hardware is better than
> other laptops they have used - mostly HP.  But most of their software is
> Windows only, so they boot into Windows most of the time.
>
> With having to maintain 2 OS's, purchasing the additional licence for
> windows, and the premium one pays for Apple hardware and accessories, it
> seems like it is a money pit to do this?  Or are the Macbooks that much
> more reliable?  And can you upgrade Macbooks with memory or harddrive?
>
> I should mention they are pretty rough with the laptops... going to
> construction jobs, carrying around in backpacks...
>
>
I've owned 2 Thinkpads, 3 Latitudes and 2 Macbook Pros. I've also had
several consumer laptops such as a Toshiba Satelite and Dell Inspiron.

The Thinkpads and Latitudes are about the same cost as the Macbook Pros and
the hardware between them is all very comparable. The MBPs look stronger
because they're solid aluminum but the Latitudes and Thinkpads are a
magnesium alloy which is also a metal frame and exhibits the same rigidity
and strength. (and I suspect the screens are more durable) The Thinkpad's
alloy frame is coated in a rubberized texture that makes it very easy to
grip.

I bought my last two MBPs because I'm doing mobile development and sadly,
you need a Mac to develop for the iOS platform. It is a great computer but
for the same money I could have customized a Latitude to get a computer
that met my needs better and had a better warranty.

If someone wanted a workstation class laptop to run Windows I would not
recommend the MBP. I think there are better choices. That said, it does
work great running Windows so it's not a bad choice.

-- 
Matthew Nuzum
newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter

? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?

From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 17:36:40 2012
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:36:40 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzzim02zuAGardJa4c=ajU8bva-Z+FuHLeeGPohYh1d-xSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzgpKUJk5az4PjmrYs-BTj10FwNbbOvdnjgbZE1FdhG8Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALHZEO_GYJH7KMTRjJ6jXmHtcG1t0xSR8=FwHFWztFfbXS0zgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_Arim9FHx6wyFpxay3yjKGsN=X7fx7J2-WOYYvvJASysA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFGSzzim02zuAGardJa4c=ajU8bva-Z+FuHLeeGPohYh1d-xSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABT9k_A0kDghOnO0Ar_iZK6VDyq7yEE6VA2xX91rB7emfDNENQ@mail.gmail.com>

They meet the third Wednesday of every month.  In the future, I am hoping
to make some more of the Python meetings.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> > Shawn - we don't have any beer, but you can bring your own. We moved from
> Mondays to Wednesdays a few months ago and did not know we were competing
> with another group - we can discuss that tonight.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I would love to attend, but it is scheduled at the same time as Beer and
> > Code.  Both groups have ended up meeting at the same time for the last
> few
> > months.  While my loyalties to Python are very high, beer is .... well
> > beer.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> > <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I plan on attending.  Now that we are in season, I've got Wednesday
> > nights
> > > open (mostly).   We should have a book as a Door prize!  Yes, that is a
> > > great idea.   I've got a book (new from O'Reilly) that I'll bring to
> the
> > > meeting and we'll find it a home!  Don't know which one cause they sent
> > me
> > > a few.  I'll grab on at random and bring it with.
> > >
> > > I am looking forward to the best meeting ever!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Steve Young <
> wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?
> > > >
> > > > It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin business,
> > so I
> > > > would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > 402.218.1473
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at delasco.com  Wed Sep 19 18:08:10 2012
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:08:10 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_A0kDghOnO0Ar_iZK6VDyq7yEE6VA2xX91rB7emfDNENQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzgpKUJk5az4PjmrYs-BTj10FwNbbOvdnjgbZE1FdhG8Tw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAFGSzzim02zuAGardJa4c=ajU8bva-Z+FuHLeeGPohYh1d-xSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABT9k_A0kDghOnO0Ar_iZK6VDyq7yEE6VA2xX91rB7emfDNENQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHoq1-rQ_HJzf97d3WRnYz4RYZumRwz3kdX2-SRfB=J8VpZg3w@mail.gmail.com>

First I've heard of B&C.  It's pretty much B&bull, don't see many
laptops<g> :0
Are there presentations or is it a social?
-Jeff



On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com>wrote:

> They meet the third Wednesday of every month.  In the future, I am hoping
> to make some more of the Python meetings.
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > > Shawn - we don't have any beer, but you can bring your own. We moved
> from
> > Mondays to Wednesdays a few months ago and did not know we were competing
> > with another group - we can discuss that tonight.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I would love to attend, but it is scheduled at the same time as Beer
> and
> > > Code.  Both groups have ended up meeting at the same time for the last
> > few
> > > months.  While my loyalties to Python are very high, beer is .... well
> > > beer.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> > > <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I plan on attending.  Now that we are in season, I've got Wednesday
> > > nights
> > > > open (mostly).   We should have a book as a Door prize!  Yes, that
> is a
> > > > great idea.   I've got a book (new from O'Reilly) that I'll bring to
> > the
> > > > meeting and we'll find it a home!  Don't know which one cause they
> sent
> > > me
> > > > a few.  I'll grab on at random and bring it with.
> > > >
> > > > I am looking forward to the best meeting ever!
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Steve Young <
> > wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin
> business,
> > > so I
> > > > > would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > > 402.218.1473
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From matt.wynn at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 18:16:44 2012
From: matt.wynn at gmail.com (Matt Wynn)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:16:44 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Hack Omaha
Message-ID: <CAFXqcUqyE34XvBk3HsQmhZKvQUx4oSAfUg24d3ahPpwU=1BWBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

We're doing another Hack Omaha in a few weeks, and I want to make sure you
guys know about it. Last time there was a sad dearth of Pythonistas, and I
think you all would have a great time.

We've made a few changes: It's cheaper, it's shorter, and it comes with
beer. The big idea is to make government information useful, and more
importantly to help make the case that if government were required to make
data public, the ends would be worthwhile.

I feel a ramble coming on, so I'll cut it short. Head to
www.hackomaha.comto learn mroe or sign up at
www.eventbrite.hackomaha.com. I can also ansrew any questions.

Hope to see some of you there.

-Matt

From shawnhermans at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 18:25:01 2012
From: shawnhermans at gmail.com (Shawn Hermans)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:25:01 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CAHoq1-rQ_HJzf97d3WRnYz4RYZumRwz3kdX2-SRfB=J8VpZg3w@mail.gmail.com>
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There are usually around 10 to 20 people at an average gathering.  I would
say most of them bring a laptop along. At the last few meetings only about
2 or 3 people did not have a laptop.   It is definitely more social and
there is no structure to the whole thing.   Overall it is just a laid back
environment where people with programming background can get together and
talk about things that interest them.  Some nights there is a lot of code
and lot of technical discussions. Other nights it might be movies, comics
and gadgets.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:

> First I've heard of B&C.  It's pretty much B&bull, don't see many
> laptops<g> :0
> Are there presentations or is it a social?
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > They meet the third Wednesday of every month.  In the future, I am hoping
> > to make some more of the Python meetings.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > > Shawn - we don't have any beer, but you can bring your own. We moved
> > from
> > > Mondays to Wednesdays a few months ago and did not know we were
> competing
> > > with another group - we can discuss that tonight.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would love to attend, but it is scheduled at the same time as Beer
> > and
> > > > Code.  Both groups have ended up meeting at the same time for the
> last
> > > few
> > > > months.  While my loyalties to Python are very high, beer is ....
> well
> > > > beer.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> > > > <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I plan on attending.  Now that we are in season, I've got Wednesday
> > > > nights
> > > > > open (mostly).   We should have a book as a Door prize!  Yes, that
> > is a
> > > > > great idea.   I've got a book (new from O'Reilly) that I'll bring
> to
> > > the
> > > > > meeting and we'll find it a home!  Don't know which one cause they
> > sent
> > > > me
> > > > > a few.  I'll grab on at random and bring it with.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am looking forward to the best meeting ever!
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Steve Young <
> > > wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin
> > business,
> > > > so I
> > > > > > would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > > > 402.218.1473
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From jeffh at delasco.com  Wed Sep 19 18:47:10 2012
From: jeffh at delasco.com (Jeff Hinrichs)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:47:10 -0500
Subject: [omaha] September meeting - Wednesday 9/19 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CABT9k_BOdaH+B1sa4nSYO-0+YY=jAOdixUFG1vyQ-2LJ09XB0w@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CABT9k_BOdaH+B1sa4nSYO-0+YY=jAOdixUFG1vyQ-2LJ09XB0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHoq1-qE-UaizpTocdeChJsuMHTEH8gfcSTi5AW3RrOgsggL7g@mail.gmail.com>

Cool. I hadn't heard of it before.
On Sep 19, 2012 11:25 AM, "Shawn Hermans" <shawnhermans at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are usually around 10 to 20 people at an average gathering.  I would
> say most of them bring a laptop along. At the last few meetings only about
> 2 or 3 people did not have a laptop.   It is definitely more social and
> there is no structure to the whole thing.   Overall it is just a laid back
> environment where people with programming background can get together and
> talk about things that interest them.  Some nights there is a lot of code
> and lot of technical discussions. Other nights it might be movies, comics
> and gadgets.
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Hinrichs <jeffh at delasco.com> wrote:
>
> > First I've heard of B&C.  It's pretty much B&bull, don't see many
> > laptops<g> :0
> > Are there presentations or is it a social?
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Shawn Hermans <shawnhermans at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > They meet the third Wednesday of every month.  In the future, I am
> hoping
> > > to make some more of the Python meetings.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Steve Young <
> wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Shawn - we don't have any beer, but you can bring your own. We
> moved
> > > from
> > > > Mondays to Wednesdays a few months ago and did not know we were
> > competing
> > > > with another group - we can discuss that tonight.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Shawn Hermans <
> shawnhermans at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I would love to attend, but it is scheduled at the same time as
> Beer
> > > and
> > > > > Code.  Both groups have ended up meeting at the same time for the
> > last
> > > > few
> > > > > months.  While my loyalties to Python are very high, beer is ....
> > well
> > > > > beer.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T
> > > > > <jeffh at dundeemt.com>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I plan on attending.  Now that we are in season, I've got
> Wednesday
> > > > > nights
> > > > > > open (mostly).   We should have a book as a Door prize!  Yes,
> that
> > > is a
> > > > > > great idea.   I've got a book (new from O'Reilly) that I'll bring
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > meeting and we'll find it a home!  Don't know which one cause
> they
> > > sent
> > > > > me
> > > > > > a few.  I'll grab on at random and bring it with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking forward to the best meeting ever!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Steve Young <
> > > > wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You know the routine - who can attend? Topics or presentations?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It looks like I may be getting back into the Network Admin
> > > business,
> > > > > so I
> > > > > > > would love to see some of your favorite admin scripts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > > > > 402.218.1473
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > > Omaha at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > > Omaha at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> > Omaha at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> > http://www.OmahaPython.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>

From mike at hostetlerhome.com  Wed Sep 19 18:34:51 2012
From: mike at hostetlerhome.com (Mike Hostetler)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:34:51 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Hack Omaha
In-Reply-To: <CAFXqcUqyE34XvBk3HsQmhZKvQUx4oSAfUg24d3ahPpwU=1BWBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFXqcUqyE34XvBk3HsQmhZKvQUx4oSAfUg24d3ahPpwU=1BWBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3f7644700ee542bc8bf7eb28d56a507.squirrel@email.powweb.com>

Of course you picked the weekend my wife is out of town and I have the
kids. <sigh> maybe next time.

For the others: I know some of the people that were at the last one and
they had a great time.

Matt Wynn wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> We're doing another Hack Omaha in a few weeks, and I want to make sure you
> guys know about it. Last time there was a sad dearth of Pythonistas, and I
> think you all would have a great time.
>
> We've made a few changes: It's cheaper, it's shorter, and it comes with
> beer. The big idea is to make government information useful, and more
> importantly to help make the case that if government were required to make
> data public, the ends would be worthwhile.
>
> I feel a ramble coming on, so I'll cut it short. Head to
> www.hackomaha.comto learn mroe or sign up at
> www.eventbrite.hackomaha.com. I can also ansrew any questions.
>
> Hope to see some of you there.
>
> -Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org
>



From brian at python.org  Thu Sep 20 23:23:56 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:23:56 -0000
Subject: [omaha] PyCon 2013 Ticket Sales Have Begun!
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1348176236.27094.omaha@python.org>

Hi Omaha Python Users Group!

The PyCon organizers are happy to announce that ticket sales for the March 2013 conference have opened at https://us.pycon.org/2013/registration/ ! Early bird rates are available for the first 1000 purchases, which is a departure from previous time-based systems. With PyCon 2012 having been a quick sell out, we're expecting this one to be the same. Keep in mind that attendance is strictly limited to 2500.

PyCon 2013 is going back to Santa Clara, CA before heading up north for two years in Montreal, Quebec for 2014-15. The event starts with two days of tutorials on March 13, followed by three days of talks starting March 15, and ends with four days of sprints starting March 18.

Individual and corporate ticket prices remain the same as they have been for the last few years, with early bird rates of $300 and $450 respectively. The regular rates of $350 and $600 for individual and corporate are still an incredible deal.

For 2013 we've reduced the cost to students by 50%, bringing the early bird rate to $100 with a regular rate of $125. Providing a more affordable conference experience for students is a priority for the organizers and the Python Software Foundation, and we're hoping the decrease helps bring more of them out.

We've also increased our financial aid program, and hope to assist more attendees for PyCon 2013! You can apply for financial aid through the new consolidated form at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?fromEmail=true&formkey=dGt4Z0dsY052VERJem4xUUFVQW9uQVE6MQ

We're still accepting proposals for talks and tutorials, with a deadline of September 28. Poster proposals are accepted through January 15, 2013. For more information, see https://us.pycon.org/2013/speaking/cfp/

If your company is interested in sponsorship, we need you. Sponsors are what make PyCon a possibility, and sponsorship offers some great values to the generous organizations who support the conference. Check out https://us.pycon.org/2013/sponsors/whysponsor/ to find out what you get out of sponsorship, with a prospectus at https://us.pycon.org/2013/sponsors/prospectus/. Contact Jesse Noller at jnoller at python.org with any sponsorship inquiries.

Keep an eye out for news on our blog at http://pycon.blogspot.com/ and follow us on twitter at https://twitter.com/pycon

Jesse Noller, Chairman
jnoller at python.org

Brian Curtin, Publicity Coordinator
brian at python.org


From wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 22:33:13 2012
From: wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com (Steve Young)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:33:13 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Sturdy Laptop hardware
In-Reply-To: <CAN+aQ9zdXugYm5BN+PLHSZroANfU0Y94PK9Kz3TvSOJRkvYw-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzhhnVSRBv=EqEgVtQ8720whtzT5XAPWbhhPbzT8=riy1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9zdXugYm5BN+PLHSZroANfU0Y94PK9Kz3TvSOJRkvYw-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFGSzzjyQ9jKOg4U7pYjjXic8psqn=eVr02qyJn6aEtva3qOkg@mail.gmail.com>

I remember that Thinkpads were the corporate laptop years ago, but haven't
seen one for quite a while.

Any thoughts on service - Apple/Dell/Lenovo?  I have heard horror stories
about each, but people usually talk the loudest when angry.  I had decent
support from Dell at another job a few years ago.

Steve


On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Jeff's question reminded me of a situation I have recently come across
> and
> > don't have enough experience with.  An architecture firm has recently
> > started buying Macbooks because they think the hardware is better than
> > other laptops they have used - mostly HP.  But most of their software is
> > Windows only, so they boot into Windows most of the time.
> >
> > With having to maintain 2 OS's, purchasing the additional licence for
> > windows, and the premium one pays for Apple hardware and accessories, it
> > seems like it is a money pit to do this?  Or are the Macbooks that much
> > more reliable?  And can you upgrade Macbooks with memory or harddrive?
> >
> > I should mention they are pretty rough with the laptops... going to
> > construction jobs, carrying around in backpacks...
> >
> >
> I've owned 2 Thinkpads, 3 Latitudes and 2 Macbook Pros. I've also had
> several consumer laptops such as a Toshiba Satelite and Dell Inspiron.
>
> The Thinkpads and Latitudes are about the same cost as the Macbook Pros and
> the hardware between them is all very comparable. The MBPs look stronger
> because they're solid aluminum but the Latitudes and Thinkpads are a
> magnesium alloy which is also a metal frame and exhibits the same rigidity
> and strength. (and I suspect the screens are more durable) The Thinkpad's
> alloy frame is coated in a rubberized texture that makes it very easy to
> grip.
>
> I bought my last two MBPs because I'm doing mobile development and sadly,
> you need a Mac to develop for the iOS platform. It is a great computer but
> for the same money I could have customized a Latitude to get a computer
> that met my needs better and had a better warranty.
>
> If someone wanted a workstation class laptop to run Windows I would not
> recommend the MBP. I think there are better choices. That said, it does
> work great running Windows so it's not a bad choice.
>
> --
> Matthew Nuzum
> newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin and twitter
>
> ? You're never fully dressed without a smile! ?
> _______________________________________________
> Omaha Python Users Group mailing list
> Omaha at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/omaha
> http://www.OmahaPython.org

From jaybocc2 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 23:02:03 2012
From: jaybocc2 at gmail.com (Jay Bendon)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:02:03 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Sturdy Laptop hardware
In-Reply-To: <CAFGSzzjyQ9jKOg4U7pYjjXic8psqn=eVr02qyJn6aEtva3qOkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGSzzhhnVSRBv=EqEgVtQ8720whtzT5XAPWbhhPbzT8=riy1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN+aQ9zdXugYm5BN+PLHSZroANfU0Y94PK9Kz3TvSOJRkvYw-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFGSzzjyQ9jKOg4U7pYjjXic8psqn=eVr02qyJn6aEtva3qOkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO630U=Ue9PRygf-pG8i334BLzrYfj2MOSfhTmCV+1uz0p5zjQ@mail.gmail.com>

We use macbook pros/airs and lenovo thinkpads at goog. They're both durable
and reliable
On Sep 22, 2012 3:33 PM, "Steve Young" <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I remember that Thinkpads were the corporate laptop years ago, but haven't
> seen one for quite a while.
>
> Any thoughts on service - Apple/Dell/Lenovo?  I have heard horror stories
> about each, but people usually talk the loudest when angry.  I had decent
> support from Dell at another job a few years ago.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Jeff's question reminded me of a situation I have recently come across
> > and
> > > don't have enough experience with.  An architecture firm has recently
> > > started buying Macbooks because they think the hardware is better than
> > > other laptops they have used - mostly HP.  But most of their software
> is
> > > Windows only, so they boot into Windows most of the time.
> > >
> > > With having to maintain 2 OS's, purchasing the additional licence for
> > > windows, and the premium one pays for Apple hardware and accessories,
> it
> > > seems like it is a money pit to do this?  Or are the Macbooks that much
> > > more reliable?  And can you upgrade Macbooks with memory or harddrive?
> > >
> > > I should mention they are pretty rough with the laptops... going to
> > > construction jobs, carrying around in backpacks...
> > >
> > >
> > I've owned 2 Thinkpads, 3 Latitudes and 2 Macbook Pros. I've also had
> > several consumer laptops such as a Toshiba Satelite and Dell Inspiron.
> >
> > The Thinkpads and Latitudes are about the same cost as the Macbook Pros
> and
> > the hardware between them is all very comparable. The MBPs look stronger
> > because they're solid aluminum but the Latitudes and Thinkpads are a
> > magnesium alloy which is also a metal frame and exhibits the same
> rigidity
> > and strength. (and I suspect the screens are more durable) The Thinkpad's
> > alloy frame is coated in a rubberized texture that makes it very easy to
> > grip.
> >
> > I bought my last two MBPs because I'm doing mobile development and sadly,
> > you need a Mac to develop for the iOS platform. It is a great computer
> but
> > for the same money I could have customized a Latitude to get a computer
> > that met my needs better and had a better warranty.
> >
> > If someone wanted a workstation class laptop to run Windows I would not
> > recommend the MBP. I think there are better choices. That said, it does
> > work great running Windows so it's not a bad choice.
> >
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From newz at bearfruit.org  Wed Sep 26 19:43:08 2012
From: newz at bearfruit.org (Matthew Nuzum)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:43:08 -0500
Subject: [omaha] Sturdy Laptop hardware
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On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Steve Young <wereapwhatwesow at gmail.com>wrote:

> I remember that Thinkpads were the corporate laptop years ago, but haven't
> seen one for quite a while.
>
> Any thoughts on service - Apple/Dell/Lenovo?  I have heard horror stories
> about each, but people usually talk the loudest when angry.  I had decent
> support from Dell at another job a few years ago.
>
> Steve
>
>
I've had good support from Dell, Apple and IBM. The key is to get the right
models. If you buy a consumer laptop such as the Inspiron or Ideapad you
get a different support group than a business model. I think the best
support I've ever received has been from Dell. With Apple you have to mail
the computer in (and they mail you back a different one since few are
repairable these days). With Dell's business support someone shows up at
your house/office the next day with the part. I bought a used Latitude D420
that had half a year left on the warranty. The screen went out just before
it ended and, despite not being the original owner, they bent over
backwards to fix the machine.

-- 
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