[Pandas-dev] Pandas Sprint Recap

Pietro Battiston me at pietrobattiston.it
Mon Jul 16 20:23:37 EDT 2018


Hi Wes,

thanks for the extensive reply. But sorry, it's probably that I missed
the sprint, but I really can't follow you. Do you have any pointers to
better understand the future pandas (alternative) you have in mind? I
know about Arrow, but I see it as a future potentiality for pandas, not
as an alternative, or even the germ of it (and clearly not in the sense
of "it's not powerful enough", but of "it has different scope"). Even
less do I understand why pandas (or a "pandas-like library") should
change name, if we are mostly talking about internals/implementation
issues (rather than about API/features). Compared to this, the decision
to rewrite the codebase or not is admittedly minor...

I see a vision in your email, and certainly many political/community
aspects I must be missing... but I still mostly miss the technical
details supporting this vision, and apparently https://pandas-dev.githu
b.io/pandas2 won't help me. Again, talking all together about what
makes you think that the current codebase needs a complete rewrite
would be great. Hope we can do this in one of the next devs calls.

In any case, 

Il giorno lun, 16/07/2018 alle 19.17 -0400, Wes McKinney ha scritto:
> [...]
> For the record, I am never going to argue that pandas should not be
> maintained or that the user base should be abandoned. However, I
> question whether the current core maintainers have a duty to be
> tethered to the issue backlog for the rest of their lives. Perhaps
> maintenance could be taken up by a for-profit company at some point?

The idea that I should sooner or later pay to use (a working version
of) the code I'm helping to write is even more depressing, to me, than
the idea that such effort will go partly wasted in a rewrite.

I'm personally "tethered" to a software which changed the way I work
every day, and to which I occasionally try to contribute back. The
"backlog" is not just a pile of dirt: it signals that (net of some
possible better triaging) there are things to fix in the software.
I see any change, and even a rewrite, as good basically if and only if
it allows us to reduce this "backlog".

Your answer to the question "are we wasting time on pandas?" is
basically "I'm not, you are". I wonder whether it was discussed in this
terms at the sprint!

Cheers,

Pietro


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