From steve at holdenweb.com Thu May 1 13:35:09 2008 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 07:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Pydotorg-redesign] python.org - Time for a Technolgy Update? Message-ID: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> I am writing to this list, which appears to be largely dormant since "The Great Reorganization" over two years ago now, because I have mentioned the prospect of migrating some of the site's functionality to Django a couple of times on the pydotorg list and had no takers. So I wondered if anyone at all besides Fredrik Lund and me think it would be a good idea. I can understand that nobody might relish the task, but I would hope that it could be done incrementally in such as way that the transition would not need to be managed in the same "all or nothing" way that the last one was. Thoughts? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ From jeff at taupro.com Thu May 1 15:44:29 2008 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 08:44:29 -0500 Subject: [Pydotorg-redesign] python.org - Time for a Technolgy Update? In-Reply-To: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> References: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> Message-ID: <4819C93D.1090103@taupro.com> Steve Holden wrote: > I am writing to this list, which appears to be largely dormant since > "The Great Reorganization" over two years ago now, because I have > mentioned the prospect of migrating some of the site's functionality to > Django a couple of times on the pydotorg list and had no takers. So I > wondered if anyone at all besides Fredrik Lund and me think it would be > a good idea. > > I can understand that nobody might relish the task, but I would hope > that it could be done incrementally in such as way that the transition > would not need to be managed in the same "all or nothing" way that the > last one was. If it were Zope 3 I would be interested in helping, but I'm not a Django developer, and I've developed the impression that Zope doesn't have a good perception with many pydotorg folk, unfortunately. In general, dynamic websites don't seem desirable by many on pydotorg, and although I've heard the arguments of non-endorsement (of a single framework), stability and complexity, (a) there are still things dynamic engines can do that static content cannot, and (b) it would strengthen Python's standing as a serious web development language if it were showcased with python.org, IMHO. -Jeff From aahz at pythoncraft.com Thu May 1 16:28:53 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 07:28:53 -0700 Subject: [Pydotorg-redesign] python.org - Time for a Technolgy Update? In-Reply-To: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> References: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> Message-ID: <20080501142853.GB3546@panix.com> On Thu, May 01, 2008, Steve Holden wrote: > > I am writing to this list, which appears to be largely dormant since > "The Great Reorganization" over two years ago now, because I have > mentioned the prospect of migrating some of the site's functionality to > Django a couple of times on the pydotorg list and had no takers. So I > wondered if anyone at all besides Fredrik Lund and me think it would be > a good idea. > > I can understand that nobody might relish the task, but I would hope > that it could be done incrementally in such as way that the transition > would not need to be managed in the same "all or nothing" way that the > last one was. > > Thoughts? Right now, the active discussion in this area is moving the jobs page to a tracker so that the page itself can be auto-generated. My thought is that we should finish that first before any other discussion of website technology to avoid distractions. I'm not intrinsically objecting to your proposal, but I do think that because python.org is not a particularly dynamic site, we do want to make sure that we can generate a static site for efficient serving. (We already have regular problems with the machine bogging down with the existing dynamic code in PyPI.) -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html From martin at martinthomas.net Thu May 1 17:08:45 2008 From: martin at martinthomas.net (martin at martinthomas.net) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:08:45 -0500 Subject: [Pydotorg-redesign] python.org - Time for a Technolgy Update? In-Reply-To: <4819C93D.1090103@taupro.com> References: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> <4819C93D.1090103@taupro.com> Message-ID: <20080501100845.4hss54uo2d1csg0s@64.40.144.195> Quoting Jeff Rush : > Steve Holden wrote: >> I am writing to this list, which appears to be largely dormant >> since "The Great Reorganization" over two years ago now, because I >> have mentioned the prospect of migrating some of the site's >> functionality to Django a couple of times on the pydotorg list and >> had no takers. So I wondered if anyone at all besides Fredrik Lund >> and me think it would be a good idea. +1 for a good idea. +0 for Django. I think different pieces will have different requirements that may not all be met by Django though using a single framework is probably better than using multiple frameworks. Which parts of the site could benefit? Jobs, news, releases, maybe. >> >> I can understand that nobody might relish the task, but I would >> hope that it could be done incrementally in such as way that the >> transition would not need to be managed in the same "all or >> nothing" way that the last one was. > > If it were Zope 3 I would be interested in helping, but I'm not a > Django developer, and I've developed the impression that Zope doesn't > have a good perception with many pydotorg folk, unfortunately. > > In general, dynamic websites don't seem desirable by many on pydotorg, > and although I've heard the arguments of non-endorsement (of a single > framework), stability and complexity, (a) there are still things > dynamic engines can do that static content cannot, and (b) it would > strengthen Python's standing as a serious web development language if > it were showcased with python.org, IMHO. +1 for a Python showcase. //M From richardjones at optushome.com.au Thu May 1 23:57:34 2008 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:57:34 +1000 Subject: [Pydotorg-redesign] python.org - Time for a Technolgy Update? In-Reply-To: <20080501142853.GB3546@panix.com> References: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> <20080501142853.GB3546@panix.com> Message-ID: <200805020757.34397.richardjones@optushome.com.au> On Fri, 2 May 2008, Aahz wrote: > I'm not intrinsically objecting to your proposal, but I do think that > because python.org is not a particularly dynamic site I believe Fredrik's implementation produced a static site, but allowed management of the contents through-the-web. I'm +1 on this. Richard From richardjones at optushome.com.au Fri May 2 00:01:03 2008 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:01:03 +1000 Subject: [Pydotorg-redesign] python.org - Time for a Technolgy Update? In-Reply-To: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> References: <4819AAED.7050600@holdenweb.com> Message-ID: <200805020801.03365.richardjones@optushome.com.au> On Thu, 1 May 2008, Steve Holden wrote: > I am writing to this list, which appears to be largely dormant since > "The Great Reorganization" over two years ago now, because I have > mentioned the prospect of migrating some of the site's functionality to > Django a couple of times on the pydotorg list and had no takers. So I > wondered if anyone at all besides Fredrik Lund and me think it would be > a good idea. Just so we're clear, here's Fredrik's ideas on this: http://www.google.com/search?q=pydotorg+django :) Richard