[Pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg-redesign] Join pydotorg lists

anatoly techtonik techtonik at gmail.com
Tue Apr 6 15:10:46 CEST 2010

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
> I suspect that postmaster at python.org would need to be involved in the
> mechanics, though I have no idea whether there is any established
> procedure for such an operation.

Added to CC.

> I doubt it's necessary to merge content given the total archive size of
> pydotorg-www is less than 50 kB. Wouldn't it just be easier to post a
> message on that list telling people to subscribe instead to
> pydotor-redesign (whose archives are under 200 kB), and then close
> pydotorg-www down?
> You said in your original message:
>> I'd like to propose joining pydotorg-www and pydotorg-redesign in one
>> pydotorg mailing list to reduce clutter and provide single point of
>> collaboration to improve the web site. Concentrating efforts in one
>> place helps to keep people focused and increased activity attracts new
>> contributors.
> Looking at the archives of both lists:
>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-redesign/
>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-www/
> it seems the lack of interest in both of these newsgroups might make
> simply closing one or both down the most practical approach. Or do you
> have a specific purpose in mind after a merge?

I think shutting them both down is the best approach, but this
requires pydotorg list to became public. Is there any reason why
pydotorg can't be made public taking into account that security issues
can be reported directly (or discussed in private
webmaster at python.org) and SVN is public already?

> In the past there has been a sort of "let's start a mailing list"
> disease that people have used to persuade themselves that something will
> happen.  Sadly experience proves that this isn't often the case, and the
> result is yet another moribund mailing list that doesn't result in any
> action.

That's logical. The activity should be focused, not scattered.

> Since there has been no response to your mail from anyone but Michael
> and I (unless I have missed messages) I would suggest that both lists
> are already pushing up the daisies.
> I am, however, extremely interested in harnessing the energies of anyone
> who is keen enough to take any sort of action. To that end I am making
> Rich Leland, who has recently undertaken to look at the web site with a
> view to modernization of both content management and design, aware of
> this thread. He may contact you about this (but I am not committing him
> to any specific action).

That's nice. I would start with focusing our efforts on making
python.org site contributions more open.

The top thing in my pydotorg next-things-to-be-done is merging the
mailing lists.
The proposed plan for it is:

1. open pydotorg to be public
2. open pydotorg-commits to be public - SVN repository is public anyway
3. close public pydotorg-redesign and pydotorg-www
4. publish an announcement to closed lists that all discussions now
take place in pydotorg
5. update mailman list description pages
6. move subscribers from old mailing lists to pydotorg
7. update http://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/,
http://www.python.org/about/website and the link "Help Maintain

Right now I do not have privileges to carry any of these tasks. Who is
able to do this?
anatoly t.

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