[pydotorg-www] Analytics

Michael Foord mfoord at python.org
Sun Apr 25 22:22:26 CEST 2010

On 25/04/2010 21:19, Georg Brandl wrote:
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> Am 25.04.2010 22:06, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
>>> At work I went to a recent talk on Google Analytics, which provides an
>>> impressive number of analyses to track where people are coming from,
>>> what queries they're using, how long they stay on average, etc.  But
>>> visitors are only recorded if their browser supports JavaScript, and
>>> dumping that information into Google raises privacy concerns.
>> -1 on Google Analytics, for the privacy reasons. I don't believe you
>> need JavaScript in the browser for it to do tracking, but with
>> JavaScript, even more information gets collected.
>> Here in Germany, it is the law that users have to opt in to have
>> personal data being collected, and IP addresses are considered personal
>> information. So strictly speaking, even a plain webserver log without
>> user consent is against the law (the one exception being operational
>> necessity). This isn't really being followed in practice, but we should
>> not give personal data to anybody else (aggregated data is fine).
> I also don't really see the need to put something in every python.org page
> when the webserver collects enough data just fine.  No matter how little, it
> will slow down the user's browser.  In any case, do we *really* need the
> "advanced" stats that Google Analytics is offering?  (Remember, we aren't
> trying to sell something.)  If Google collects more data than the webserver
> would, do we want to collect and deliver that?
> If server-side tools work just fine for our needs: even if they don't produce
> graphs as pretty as Google's, what does it matter?

If we don't need it, and I have no axe to grind on that score, then 
fine. If implemented correctly in the source then it shouldn't slow down 
rendering of page contents at all - however what information about our 
visitors and how they use the site is probably something for the site 
plan to determine.

Whatever technology best meets our need should be used - ultimately to 
be determined by the PSF board. This decision certainly shouldn't be 
held hostage by individual opinions.

All the best,


> Georg
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