From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Thu Sep  2 01:41:28 2010
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 00:41:28 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: search within python 2.6.5 docs takes forever
Message-ID: <4C7EE4A8.9080606@voidspace.org.uk>

  If you search in the Python 2.6.6 docs it returns very quickly. The 
2.6.5 docs not so much.

http://docs.python.org/release/2.6.5/search.html?q=polar&check_keywords=yes&area=default
http://docs.python.org/release/2.6.6/search.html?q=polar&check_keywords=yes&area=default

All the best,

Michael Foord

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	search within python 2.6.5 docs takes forever
Date: 	Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:44:55 -0400
From: 	Lou King <Lou.King at hughes.com>
To: 	webmaster at python.org <webmaster at python.org>
CC: 	Lou King <Lou.King at hughes.com>



Since 2.7 was released, I believe the search function on the website 
within 2.6.5 docs is broken.

e.g., I just searched for "polar" within 2.6.5 and within latest 
release.  Latest release came right up, but within 2.6.5 it kept searching.

thanks

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 13:29:04 2010
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:29:04 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: search within python 2.6.5 docs takes
	forever
In-Reply-To: <4C7EE4A8.9080606@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <4C7EE4A8.9080606@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6h2sWw9iMxfgzOWrp_+0zBMoS99AZ3thVp+Z+@mail.gmail.com>

The behavior should be the same for both sites.  You may just have
only index from one site cached and the other downloads 800k file. Once 800k
index is cached, search will be faster. Generate docs with Sphinx > 1.0 to
make search more user-friendly.
http://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/issue/322/improve-search-responsiveness
-- 
anatoly t.


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk>wrote:

>  If you search in the Python 2.6.6 docs it returns very quickly. The 2.6.5
> docs not so much.
>
>
> http://docs.python.org/release/2.6.5/search.html?q=polar&check_keywords=yes&area=default
>
> http://docs.python.org/release/2.6.6/search.html?q=polar&check_keywords=yes&area=default
>
> All the best,
>
> Michael Foord
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: search within python 2.6.5
> docs takes forever  Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:44:55 -0400  From: Lou King
> <Lou.King at hughes.com> <Lou.King at hughes.com>  To: webmaster at python.org
> <webmaster at python.org> <webmaster at python.org>  CC: Lou King
> <Lou.King at hughes.com> <Lou.King at hughes.com>
>
>  Since 2.7 was released, I believe the search function on the website
> within 2.6.5 docs is broken.
>
>
>
> e.g., I just searched for ?polar? within 2.6.5 and within latest release.
> Latest release came right up, but within 2.6.5 it kept searching.
>
>
>
> thanks
>
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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Thu Sep  2 14:00:48 2010
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:00:48 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Mirror Site?
Message-ID: <4C7F91F0.2030007@voidspace.org.uk>

  Anyone else being seeing this?

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Mirror Site?
Date: 	Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:32:14 -0400
From: 	Michael Kumm <michael at nexcess.net>
To: 	webmaster at python.org



I have been experiencing ongoing availability issues on python.org intermittently for a while. Yesterday for example I had page loads take over 3 minutes. I don't know what the root cause could be, but if adding a mirror would help let me know. In many cases Nexcess.net offers free mirrors to open source projects like PHP and many Linux distributions. If you think that might help and you are interested let me know.

Thanks

Michael Kumm
Nexcess.net

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From barry at python.org  Thu Sep  2 14:45:52 2010
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:45:52 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Mirror Site?
In-Reply-To: <4C7F91F0.2030007@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <4C7F91F0.2030007@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20100902084552.20dbe73a@mission>

On Sep 02, 2010, at 01:00 PM, Michael Foord wrote:

>  Anyone else being seeing this?

Nope.  www.python.org is as zippy as ever for me.

>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: 	Mirror Site?
>Date: 	Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:32:14 -0400
>From: 	Michael Kumm <michael at nexcess.net>
>To: 	webmaster at python.org
>
>
>
>I have been experiencing ongoing availability issues on python.org
>intermittently for a while. Yesterday for example I had page loads
>take over 3 minutes. I don't know what the root cause could be, but if
>adding a mirror would help let me know. In many cases Nexcess.net
>offers free mirrors to open source projects like PHP and many Linux
>distributions. If you think that might help and you are interested let
>me know.
>
>Thanks
>
>Michael Kumm
>Nexcess.net
>
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Thu Sep  2 14:53:24 2010
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:53:24 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Mirror Site?
In-Reply-To: <4C7F91F0.2030007@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <4C7F91F0.2030007@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4C7F9E44.1090904@holdenweb.com>

IPv6?

regards
 Steve

On 9/2/2010 8:00 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
>  Anyone else being seeing this?
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Mirror Site?
> Date: 	Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:32:14 -0400
> From: 	Michael Kumm <michael at nexcess.net>
> To: 	webmaster at python.org
> 
> 
> 
> I have been experiencing ongoing availability issues on python.org intermittently for a while. Yesterday for example I had page loads take over 3 minutes. I don't know what the root cause could be, but if adding a mirror would help let me know. In many cases Nexcess.net offers free mirrors to open source projects like PHP and many Linux distributions. If you think that might help and you are interested let me know. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Michael Kumm
> Nexcess.net
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


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From mfoord at python.org  Thu Sep  2 19:52:30 2010
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:52:30 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] No mention of 'From Python Import Podcast'
	Podcast
In-Reply-To: <4C7D6B7C.1030705@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <4C7D6B7C.1030705@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4C7FE45E.3090602@python.org>

  On 31/08/2010 21:52, ode wrote:
> I was viewing http://www.python.org/doc/av/ and
> http://advocacy.python.org/podcasts/ and noticed that the new
> 'From Python Import Podcast' podcast -
> http://frompythonimportpodcast.com/ is absent.

I can add frompythonimportpodcast to http://www.python.org/doc/av/

All the best,

Michael

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From webmaster at python.org  Fri Sep  3 18:44:17 2010
From: webmaster at python.org (webmaster at python.org)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:44:17 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
Message-ID: <4C8125E1.6030200@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
Date: 	Fri, 3 Sep 2010 11:39:33 -0500
From: 	Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com>
To: 	webmaster at python.org



Would it be possible to add more aliases for PEP URLs to allow, e.g.,

   http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-370/

instead of

   http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/

I would like to set up a search engine shortcut in Google Chrome (or a
Quick Search in Firefox) that would let me type "pep 370" in the URL
field and bring up the appropriate page. As far as I know, you can
only set up these search engine URLs to just put in the escaped form
of the search term; there are no facilities for doing 0-padding.

When reading python-dev discussions, everyone just uses the PEP number
and assumes that everyone knows what the PEP is about. Having a quick
way to get to the PEPs (without remembering to 0-pad) would be help
people keep track of what is going on more easily.

Thanks.

-- 
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless
enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as
though it had an underlying truth."
   -- Umberto Eco

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From barry at python.org  Fri Sep  3 19:36:16 2010
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:36:16 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
In-Reply-To: <4C8125E1.6030200@python.org>
References: <4C8125E1.6030200@python.org>
Message-ID: <20100903133616.3d726b9d@mission>

I dunno, I just do the mental 0-padding myself.  I have a shortcut in my
browsers that let me do "pep 0370" or even "pep 0000" for example.  Seems good
enough to me.

-B

On Sep 03, 2010, at 05:44 PM, webmaster at python.org wrote:

>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: 	Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
>Date: 	Fri, 3 Sep 2010 11:39:33 -0500
>From: 	Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com>
>To: 	webmaster at python.org
>
>
>
>Would it be possible to add more aliases for PEP URLs to allow, e.g.,
>
>   http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-370/
>
>instead of
>
>   http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/
>
>I would like to set up a search engine shortcut in Google Chrome (or a
>Quick Search in Firefox) that would let me type "pep 370" in the URL
>field and bring up the appropriate page. As far as I know, you can
>only set up these search engine URLs to just put in the escaped form
>of the search term; there are no facilities for doing 0-padding.
>
>When reading python-dev discussions, everyone just uses the PEP number
>and assumes that everyone knows what the PEP is about. Having a quick
>way to get to the PEPs (without remembering to 0-pad) would be help
>people keep track of what is going on more easily.
>
>Thanks.
>
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From merwok at netwok.org  Fri Sep  3 19:55:35 2010
From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:55:35 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
In-Reply-To: <20100903133616.3d726b9d@mission>
References: <4C8125E1.6030200@python.org> <20100903133616.3d726b9d@mission>
Message-ID: <4C813697.7030500@netwok.org>

I usually just enter ?pep nnn? in my address bar and either my browser
will propose me a URI from history or I?ll just press Enter and let the
default search find me the link. I?m not opposed to adding aliases as
requested by the OP, though. Where to find information about the site
setup to assess technical feasibility?

Regards


From georg at python.org  Fri Sep  3 20:04:02 2010
From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:04:02 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
In-Reply-To: <4C8125E1.6030200@python.org>
References: <4C8125E1.6030200@python.org>
Message-ID: <4C813892.2070700@python.org>

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Am 03.09.2010 18:44, schrieb webmaster at python.org:
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
> Date: 	Fri, 3 Sep 2010 11:39:33 -0500
> From: 	Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com>
> To: 	webmaster at python.org
> 
> 
> 
> Would it be possible to add more aliases for PEP URLs to allow, e.g.,
> 
>   http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-370/
> 
> instead of
> 
>   http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/
> 
> I would like to set up a search engine shortcut in Google Chrome (or a
> Quick Search in Firefox) that would let me type "pep 370" in the URL
> field and bring up the appropriate page. As far as I know, you can
> only set up these search engine URLs to just put in the escaped form
> of the search term; there are no facilities for doing 0-padding.
> 
> When reading python-dev discussions, everyone just uses the PEP number
> and assumes that everyone knows what the PEP is about. Having a quick
> way to get to the PEPs (without remembering to 0-pad) would be help
> people keep track of what is going on more easily.

Google's "Feeling lucky" function brought up the PEP for me every time
when using "PEP <number>" as search terms.  So you should be able to use
a shortcut to that :)

Georg
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From robert.kern at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 20:12:04 2010
From: robert.kern at gmail.com (Robert Kern)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 13:12:04 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
In-Reply-To: <4C813892.2070700@python.org>
References: <4C8125E1.6030200@python.org> <4C813892.2070700@python.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3RRjTmCrW--1KtEuN3LfRUevV7JQJPtOBEa06@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 13:04, Georg Brandl <georg at python.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Am 03.09.2010 18:44, schrieb webmaster at python.org:
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: ? ? ?Suggestion: add more aliases for PEPs
>> Date: ? ? ? ? Fri, 3 Sep 2010 11:39:33 -0500
>> From: ? ? ? ? Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com>
>> To: ? webmaster at python.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Would it be possible to add more aliases for PEP URLs to allow, e.g.,
>>
>> ? http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-370/
>>
>> instead of
>>
>> ? http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/
>>
>> I would like to set up a search engine shortcut in Google Chrome (or a
>> Quick Search in Firefox) that would let me type "pep 370" in the URL
>> field and bring up the appropriate page. As far as I know, you can
>> only set up these search engine URLs to just put in the escaped form
>> of the search term; there are no facilities for doing 0-padding.
>>
>> When reading python-dev discussions, everyone just uses the PEP number
>> and assumes that everyone knows what the PEP is about. Having a quick
>> way to get to the PEPs (without remembering to 0-pad) would be help
>> people keep track of what is going on more easily.
>
> Google's "Feeling lucky" function brought up the PEP for me every time
> when using "PEP <number>" as search terms. ?So you should be able to use
> a shortcut to that :)

http://google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&btnI=1&q=pep+%s

Works for me! Thanks!

-- 
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless
enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as
though it had an underlying truth."
? -- Umberto Eco

From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Sep 13 00:25:54 2010
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:25:54 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python 3 porting poll
Message-ID: <4C8D5372.4050000@v.loewis.de>

I just installed a poll on www.python.org that allows users to nominate
packages that they want to see ported to Python 3.

Feel free to adjust the wording or design of the poll itself, or the
results. If this causes problems, don't hesitate to disable it again.

Changes don't propagate automatically on commit, you have to manually
update /data/website-build/build/scripts/poll3k.py, or
/data/website-build/build/new-build/homepage.tmpl.

Regards,
Martin

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Sep 13 17:12:12 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:12:12 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
Message-ID: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com>

Does anyone think it would make sense to have a top-level redirect from
jobs.python.org to http://www.python.org/community/jobs/

Later on we could actually move the jobs stuff, but for now I'm just
suggesting the redirect.
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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Sep 13 18:09:00 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:09:00 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
In-Reply-To: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com>
References: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com>
Message-ID: <19598.19612.993230.457171@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    aahz> Does anyone think it would make sense to have a top-level redirect
    aahz> from jobs.python.org to http://www.python.org/community/jobs/

Works for me.

Skip

From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Sep 13 22:10:50 2010
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:10:50 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
In-Reply-To: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com>
References: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4C8E854A.3070806@v.loewis.de>

Am 13.09.2010 17:12, schrieb Aahz:
> Does anyone think it would make sense to have a top-level redirect from
> jobs.python.org to http://www.python.org/community/jobs/
> 
> Later on we could actually move the jobs stuff, but for now I'm just
> suggesting the redirect.

Can you please be more explicit? If this is accepted, are you asking
somebody to act? If so, whom, and doing what action?

If you are asking whether it would be useful to have a host name
jobs.python.org (which, AFAICT, we currently don't have): Guido has
once voiced a concern that a proliferation of host names is undesirable,
and that people should use URLs whenever possible. I guess he has lost
this battle long ago, though.

Regards,
Martin


From mfoord at python.org  Tue Sep 14 11:59:23 2010
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:59:23 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
In-Reply-To: <4C8E854A.3070806@v.loewis.de>
References: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com> <4C8E854A.3070806@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <4C8F477B.2030405@python.org>

  On 13/09/2010 21:10, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
> Am 13.09.2010 17:12, schrieb Aahz:
>> Does anyone think it would make sense to have a top-level redirect from
>> jobs.python.org to http://www.python.org/community/jobs/
>>
>> Later on we could actually move the jobs stuff, but for now I'm just
>> suggesting the redirect.
> Can you please be more explicit? If this is accepted, are you asking
> somebody to act? If so, whom, and doing what action?
>
> If you are asking whether it would be useful to have a host name
> jobs.python.org (which, AFAICT, we currently don't have): Guido has
> once voiced a concern that a proliferation of host names is undesirable,
> and that people should use URLs whenever possible. I guess he has lost
> this battle long ago, though.

I don't have an issue with it being done, but also wonder what is gained 
by having a subdomain rather than a url.

All the best,

Michael

> Regards,
> Martin
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
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From fdrake at acm.org  Tue Sep 14 12:13:40 2010
From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 06:13:40 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
In-Reply-To: <4C8F477B.2030405@python.org>
References: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com> <4C8E854A.3070806@v.loewis.de>
	<4C8F477B.2030405@python.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimE+cZcPZWTVYojNiopGPuTv8vhoUAnOy-_y6uE@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:
> I don't have an issue with it being done, but also wonder what is gained by
> having a subdomain rather than a url.

When we added docs.python.org, the expectation was that it was easier
for people to remember; I don't recall how that conclusion was
reached.  Whether we'd reach the same conclusion today, I don't know.

What we ended up with was docs in two different places that had to be
updated in two different ways, and was confusing for users.  The
maintenance pain only got worse when the main www.python.org site was
changed to be built in a different way (pyramid).  I'm not sure how
much duplication of effort is currently required.

I'd be quite wary of expecting such a change to be an improvement, and
would definitely expect it to generate confusion among users.


? -Fred

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Sep 14 12:29:14 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:29:14 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimE+cZcPZWTVYojNiopGPuTv8vhoUAnOy-_y6uE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com> <4C8E854A.3070806@v.loewis.de>
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    Fred> What we ended up with was docs in two different places that had to
    Fred> be updated in two different ways, and was confusing for users.
    Fred> The maintenance pain only got worse when the main www.python.org
    Fred> site was changed to be built in a different way (pyramid).  I'm
    Fred> not sure how much duplication of effort is currently required.

That was, of course, not a fault of the name but of incomplete conversion to
the new domain as the place to get the core Python documentation.

Personally, I find

    jobs.python.org

easier to remember than

    www.python.org/community/jobs

(or whatever it is).  The same would be true for most people I think.  If
remembering isn't required, then sure, a URL within www.python.org is as
easy to click as a URL which is a different subdomain.

Skip

From mfoord at python.org  Tue Sep 14 12:33:50 2010
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:33:50 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
In-Reply-To: <19599.20090.608576.47585@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20100913151211.GA12195@panix.com>
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  On 14/09/2010 11:29, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>      Fred>  What we ended up with was docs in two different places that had to
>      Fred>  be updated in two different ways, and was confusing for users.
>      Fred>  The maintenance pain only got worse when the main www.python.org
>      Fred>  site was changed to be built in a different way (pyramid).  I'm
>      Fred>  not sure how much duplication of effort is currently required.
>
> That was, of course, not a fault of the name but of incomplete conversion to
> the new domain as the place to get the core Python documentation.
>
> Personally, I find
>
>      jobs.python.org
>
> easier to remember than
>
>      www.python.org/community/jobs

Sure. But is jobs.python.org easier to remember than python.org/jobs ?

(Flat is better than nested ;-)

Michael

> (or whatever it is).  The same would be true for most people I think.  If
> remembering isn't required, then sure, a URL within www.python.org is as
> easy to click as a URL which is a different subdomain.
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


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From sdeibel at wingware.com  Tue Sep 14 15:23:44 2010
From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:23:44 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
In-Reply-To: <4C8F4F8E.5040102@python.org>
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Michael Foord wrote:
>  On 14/09/2010 11:29, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>>      Fred>  What we ended up with was docs in two different places 
>> that had to
>>      Fred>  be updated in two different ways, and was confusing for 
>> users.
>>      Fred>  The maintenance pain only got worse when the main 
>> www.python.org
>>      Fred>  site was changed to be built in a different way 
>> (pyramid).  I'm
>>      Fred>  not sure how much duplication of effort is currently 
>> required.
>>
>> That was, of course, not a fault of the name but of incomplete 
>> conversion to
>> the new domain as the place to get the core Python documentation.
>>
>> Personally, I find
>>
>>      jobs.python.org
>>
>> easier to remember than
>>
>>      www.python.org/community/jobs
>
> Sure. But is jobs.python.org easier to remember than python.org/jobs ?
>
> (Flat is better than nested ;-)

Isn't jobs.python.org flat and python.org/jobs nested? ;-)  You seem to 
suggest the other way around and your argument just changed me from "I 
really don't care" to "hmm, jobs.python.org may indeed be a bit better".

However, this seems such a small point I'm not sure why it's even being 
discussed.  Either someone should just do it or not...

- Stephan


From mfoord at python.org  Tue Sep 14 15:31:09 2010
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:31:09 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
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  On 14/09/2010 16:23, Stephan Deibel wrote:
> Michael Foord wrote:
>>  On 14/09/2010 11:29, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>>>      Fred>  What we ended up with was docs in two different places 
>>> that had to
>>>      Fred>  be updated in two different ways, and was confusing for 
>>> users.
>>>      Fred>  The maintenance pain only got worse when the main 
>>> www.python.org
>>>      Fred>  site was changed to be built in a different way 
>>> (pyramid).  I'm
>>>      Fred>  not sure how much duplication of effort is currently 
>>> required.
>>>
>>> That was, of course, not a fault of the name but of incomplete 
>>> conversion to
>>> the new domain as the place to get the core Python documentation.
>>>
>>> Personally, I find
>>>
>>>      jobs.python.org
>>>
>>> easier to remember than
>>>
>>>      www.python.org/community/jobs
>>
>> Sure. But is jobs.python.org easier to remember than python.org/jobs ?
>>
>> (Flat is better than nested ;-)
>
> Isn't jobs.python.org flat and python.org/jobs nested? ;-)  You seem 
> to suggest the other way around and your argument just changed me from 
> "I really don't care" to "hmm, jobs.python.org may indeed be a bit 
> better".
Isn't it just *moving* the nesting? (I was saying that python.org/jobs 
is better than python.org/community/jobs )

Michael

>
> However, this seems such a small point I'm not sure why it's even 
> being discussed.  Either someone should just do it or not...
>
> - Stephan


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From mfoord at python.org  Tue Sep 14 15:38:13 2010
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:38:13 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: Frank Willison Award Recipient
 for 2010 - Christian Tismer
Message-ID: <4C8F7AC5.7090000@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Pydotorg] Fwd: Frank Willison Award Recipient for 2010 - 
Christian Tismer
Date: 	Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:05:25 -0400
From: 	Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
To: 	pydotorg <pydotorg at python.org>



To:  pydotorg:
Could you please add the bio information & the attached photo below for 
the 2010 Frank Willison Award recipient (Christian Tismer) to:
http://www.python.org/community/awards/frank-willison/

?The 2010 Frank Willison Memorial Award for Services to the Python 
Community has been awarded to Christian Tismer 
<http://www.tismer.com/Home.html>.

Christian's contributions to the technology behind Python have focused 
on performance. For example, he is the founder of the Stackless Python 
<http://www.stackless.com/> project, a micro-threading system with the 
first implementation of generators and continuations. You can learn more 
about Stackless from the project's history page 
<http://www.disinterest.org/resource/stackless/2.6-docs-html/stackless-python.html#history> 
and this IBM developerWorks interview with Christian by David Mertz 
<http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-pyth7.html>.

Christian also co-founded PyPy 
<http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/>, an implementation of Python 
/in/ Python, with Armin Rigo and Holger Krekel. Christian worked on PyPy 
full time for a period, using EU funding. Later, he worked on the JIT 
compiler Psyco <http://www.psyco.org/> with Raymond Hettinger to create 
Psyco V2 <http://codespeak.net/pipermail/pypy-dev/2009q3/005288.html>. 
Most recently, he has been employed by CCP Games 
<http://www.ccpgames.com/> to work on combining Stackless and Psyco and 
updating them to support 64-bit systems.

In 1997, as one of his earliest contributions to the Python community, 
Christian launched the Starship Python <http://starship.python.net/> 
website?

When he's not working on Python, Christian enjoys watching movies, 
reading, and practicing playing piano. You can follow him on twitter 
@ctismer <http://twitter.com/ctismer>.?

Thanks,

Pat

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *Christian Tismer* <tismer at stackless.com 
<mailto:tismer at stackless.com>>
Date: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Frank Willison Award Recipient for 2010 - Christian Tismer
To: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org <mailto:patcam at python.org>>


On 8/29/10 3:01 AM, Pat Campbell wrote:
>
> Hi Christian:
>
> I would like to add some of your bio information from the PSF blog to 
> the PSF web page at 
> http://www.python.org/community/awards/frank-willison/ . This web page 
> will be updated with your bio information & photo in celebration of 
> having been awarded the Frank Willison Award for 2010.
>
> See excerpt from PSF blog at 
> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2010/07/frank-willison-memorial-award-recipient.html 
> below:
>
> ?The 2010 Frank Willison Memorial Award for Services to the Python 
> Community has been awarded to Christian Tismer 
> <http://www.tismer.com/Home.html>.
>
> Christian's contributions to the technology behind Python have focused 
> on performance. For example, he is the founder of the Stackless Python 
> <http://www.stackless.com/> project, a micro-threading system with the 
> first implementation of generators and continuations. You can learn 
> more about Stackless from the project's history page 
> <http://www.disinterest.org/resource/stackless/2.6-docs-html/stackless-python.html#history> 
> and this IBM developerWorks interview with Christian by David Mertz 
> <http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-pyth7.html>.
>
> Christian also co-founded PyPy 
> <http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/>, an implementation of 
> Python /in/ Python, with Armin Rigo and Holger Krekel. Christian 
> worked on PyPy full time for a period, using EU funding. Later, he 
> worked on the JIT compiler Psyco <http://www.psyco.org/> with Raymond 
> Hettinger to create Psyco V2 
> <http://codespeak.net/pipermail/pypy-dev/2009q3/005288.html>. Most 
> recently, he has been employed by CCP Games <http://www.ccpgames.com/> 
> to work on combining Stackless and Psyco and updating them to support 
> 64-bit systems.
>
> In 1997, as one of his earliest contributions to the Python community, 
> Christian launched the Starship Python <http://starship.python.net/> 
> website?
>
> When he's not working on Python, Christian enjoys watching movies, 
> reading, and practicing playing piano. You can follow him on twitter 
> @ctismer <http://twitter.com/ctismer>.?
>
> Please feel free to add, delete, or modify any of the above bio 
> information as you see fit.
>
> Also, could you provide a photo of yourself with the award? If not, 
> please provide whatever photo of yourself you may already have on hand.
>
> If you have any questions, please let me know.
>
Hi Pat,

the text is well-written, and I have nothing to change in the blog.
Here is a photo from right now. I can prepare a better one if you
think I should...

cheers - chris

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From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue Sep 14 16:43:28 2010
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:43:28 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Willison Prize Page
Message-ID: <4C8F8A10.4070008@holdenweb.com>

I wonder if whoever adds Chris Tismer's information to the page would
like, at the same time, to change my image. The attached picture is at
several scalings for editor convenience.

regards
 Steve
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 17:40:55 2010
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:40:55 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:

> Isn't it just *moving* the nesting? (I was saying that python.org/jobs is
> better than python.org/community/jobs )

+1.02
jobs.python.org is better that python.org/jobs

>> However, this seems such a small point I'm not sure why it's even being
>> discussed. ?Either someone should just do it or not...

-- 
anatoly t.

From el_psycho_mx at yahoo.com.mx  Tue Sep 14 21:53:59 2010
From: el_psycho_mx at yahoo.com.mx (Moises Perez)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:53:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
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Message-ID: <926199.55784.qm@web45103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hello

I've been following your mail list for a few months but this is my first 
message.

I think that python.org/jobs is better and easiest to remember than create a 
subdomain like jobs.python.org.

And, at the end, the final route for the page will be the same: python.org/jobs

Greets from Mexico



________________________________
De: anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>
Para: Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org>
CC: pydotorg-www <pydotorg-www at python.org>; Stephan Deibel 
<sdeibel at wingware.com>
Enviado: martes, 14 de septiembre, 2010 10:40:55
Asunto: Re: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:

> Isn't it just *moving* the nesting? (I was saying that python.org/jobs is
> better than python.org/community/jobs )

+1.02
jobs.python.org is better that python.org/jobs

>> However, this seems such a small point I'm not sure why it's even being
>> discussed.  Either someone should just do it or not...

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From amk at amk.ca  Tue Sep 14 23:06:54 2010
From: amk at amk.ca (Andrew Kuchling)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:06:54 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python license
In-Reply-To: <4C7B707F.3050802@python.org>
References: <4C7B707F.3050802@python.org>
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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Python.org Team <webmaster at python.org>wrote:

>  See Marc-Andre's comments about making the license more prominent on the
> website.
>
>
I've now implemented this.  www.python.org/psf/license redirects to
docs.python.org/licenses.html,
and I added nav. links for the license to /doc/ and /download/.

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From merwok at netwok.org  Wed Sep 15 00:30:22 2010
From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:30:22 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
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Le 14/09/2010 15:23, Stephan Deibel a ?crit :
> Michael Foord wrote:
>> Sure. But is jobs.python.org easier to remember than python.org/jobs ?
>>
>> (Flat is better than nested ;-)
> Isn't jobs.python.org flat and python.org/jobs nested? ;-)

I see it like Michael: jobs.python.org is nested (it?s a subdomain),
whereas python.org is flat (bare domain name).  This is not a very
interesting debate; the key thing is that a subdomain brings up matters
like paths in HTTP cookies, browser caching, cross-domain requests,
changes to SSL certificates, and all sorts of unnecessary shenanigans.

If an easier-to-remember name is needed, python.org/jobs seems fine to me.

Regards


From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 00:43:23 2010
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:43:23 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] jobs.python.org?
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:30 AM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org> wrote:
> Le 14/09/2010 15:23, Stephan Deibel a ?crit :
>> Michael Foord wrote:
>>> Sure. But is jobs.python.org easier to remember than python.org/jobs ?
>>>
>>> (Flat is better than nested ;-)
>> Isn't jobs.python.org flat and python.org/jobs nested? ;-)
>
> I see it like Michael: jobs.python.org is nested (it?s a subdomain),
> whereas python.org is flat (bare domain name). ?This is not a very
> interesting debate; the key thing is that a subdomain brings up matters
> like paths in HTTP cookies, browser caching, cross-domain requests,
> changes to SSL certificates, and all sorts of unnecessary shenanigans.

Ok. I take my +1 back.
--
anatoly t.

From patcam at python.org  Thu Sep 16 13:32:05 2010
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 07:32:05 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: PSF- board meetings posted online
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRaaTEZZdnQ0NfLc25kbXa-rCbGimuBV5jDkX-@mail.gmail.com>

Hello:

Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online at
the usual web locations:

please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for April
through August 2010.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Pat

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [PSF-Members] board meetings
To: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
Cc: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>



On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Aahz wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Aahz wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It looks like the section of the website where the minutes go requires
>>>> svn commit access and build knowledge to update.  Maybe someone on the
>>>> webmaster team could help Pat with adding new minutes pages, or work
>>>> out something else to make it easier for her to post them (moving that
>>>> material to the wiki, for example).
>>>
>>> Two interim options:
>>>
>>> * If Pat already knows reST, it would be trivially easy to get the
>>> minutes posted from someone who has access -- just e-mail them to
>>> pydotorg or pydotorg-www
>>
>> Yes, the minutes are taken in a reST format (at least that's how I've
>> been receiving the draft copies).  So I think all we need is someone
>> to volunteer to do the work of taking the official minutes from Pat
>> and take the next step(s) of getting them onto the website.  No format
>> translation or modification of the text should be necessary.
>
> Then as I said above, just send them to pydotorg or pydotorg-www; I'll
> ensure they get posted, but sending them to the list gives other people
> who might have more time also a chance at getting them up.  (I only have
> website access at home, so I'm not promising to get them up immediately.)

Thanks, Aahz!


Pat,

If you send the approved versions of the minutes to the
pydotorg-www at python.org, one of the website maintainers will add them to the
site.

Doug




-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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| The Python Software Foundation
| Minutes of a Regular Meeting of the Board of Directors
|
| April 12, 2010
|
| Draft

A regular meeting of the Python Software Foundation ("PSF") Board of
Directors was held over Internet Relay Chat beginning at 16:00 UTC, 12
April 2010.  Steve Holden presided at the meeting.  Pat Campbell
prepared the minutes.

All votes are reported in the form "*Y-N-A*" (*in favor ? opposed ?
abstentions*; e.g. "5-1-2" means "5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 2
abstentions").


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Attendance
==========

The following members of the Board of Directors were present at the
meeting: Raymond Hettinger, Steve Holden, Marc-Andre Lemburg, David Mertz 
[joined meeting at 16:09], Doug Napoleone, Jesse Noller, Tim Peters, Allison 
Randal, and Jeff Rush, Greg Stein, James Tauber, Martin v. L?wis [left meeting
at 16:58], Gloria Willadsen. Also in attendance were Kurt Kaiser (Treasurer), 
and Pat Campbell (Secretary & Administrator).


Minutes of Past Meetings
========================

The 8 February 2010 and 8 March 2010 Board meeting minutes were approved 
during this month's meeting session.

8 February 2010: Approved, 10-0-2
8 March 2010: Approved, 9-0-3


Votes Taken Between Meetings
============================

There were no votes taken since the last Board meeting on 08 March 2010.


Treasurer Report
================

A preliminary version of the monthly Treasurer's Report was provided to 
Board members by K. Kaiser prior to the Board meeting. 


Progress Report
===============

To add to K. Kaiser's monthly financial report of PyCon 2010, V. Lindberg 
provided the board with an additional financial update shortly after the 
board meeting had adjourned.


Election of Board Officers
==========================

The following Officers were elected:

* **President**: Guido van Rossum
* **Chairman**: Steve Holden
* **Secretary**: Pat Campbell
* **Treasurer**: Kurt Kaiser
* **PyCon Chairman**: Van Lindberg

Further discussion to elect more officers and create new officer
positions such as Membership Communications Officer, Voting Officer, 
etc. was deferred to email and will continue at next month's board
meeting.


Appointment of Infrastructure Committee Chairman
================================================

R. Hettinger: "Sean [Reifschneider] is expected to abstain from votes
about his own company."

S. Holden: "We do need to discuss the conflict of interest situation with
him, but I agree with T. Peters' suggestion that we trust him to recuse
himself from decisions where tummy.com might profit."

   **RESOLVED**, that Sean Reifschneider be appointed chairman of the
   Infrastructure Committee.

Approved, 13-0-0.


Appointment of Trademarks Committee Chairman
============================================

   **RESOLVED**, that David Mertz be appointed chairman of the Trademarks
   Committee.
   
Approved, 11-0-1   


Funding of PyCon Italy 2010
===========================

The board discussed funding of PyCon Italy and agreed to provide
a grant to conference organizers. However, S. Holden reminded board
members of the limited funding available in the 2010 PSF budget for
conference funding.

    **RESOLVED**, that the PSF grant US$4,000 to PyCon Italy 2010.

Approved, 10-0-3.


Funding of Kiwi PyCon 2010
==========================

The board discussed funding of Kiwi PyCon 2010.

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF sponsor Kiwi PyCon 2010 at the
   "Silver" rate of NZ$1,000.
   
Approved, 8-0-4.   


Contributor Agreements - Methods to Pursue Coverage
===================================================

M.A Lemburg: "Who will be continuing Andrew [Kuchling's] effort?"

R. Hettinger: "I am continuing the effort."

S. Holden: "...It is important work."

This discussion was deferred to email in order for members to 
pursue the remaining coverage of the Python code base which is 
nearly at 100%.


PSF Community Service Award Nominations for 2010 - 2nd Quarter
==============================================================

The Board decided that the award candidate pool should first be broaden to
include more candidates then nominations for the award would resume. Therefore,
the discussion was deferred to email.


PSF Members Vote Counting Requirement Waived
============================================

Motion from Marc-Andre Lemburg:

   **RESOLVED**, that the new SECTION 4.10 clause vote counting scheme becomes
   effective today, i.e. failure to vote in the April 3, 2010 members election
   does not count toward the missed votes count.
   
Approved, 11-0-0


Other Business
==============

The board briefly discussed payment to D. Goodger for expenses he incurred over 
time. This discussion was deferred to email.


Adjournment
===========

S.?Holden adjourned the meeting at 17:30 UTC.
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| The Python Software Foundation
| Minutes of a Regular Meeting of the Board of Directors
|
| June 21, 2010
|
| Draft

A regular meeting of the Python Software Foundation ("PSF") Board of
Directors was held over Internet Relay Chat beginning at 16:03 UTC, 21
June 2010. Steve Holden presided at the meeting. Pat Campbell
prepared the minutes.

All votes are reported in the form "*Y-N-A*" (*in favor ? opposed ?
abstentions*; e.g. "5-1-2" means "5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 2
abstentions").


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Attendance
==========

The following members of the Board of Directors were present at the
meeting: Steve Holden, Marc-Andre Lemburg, Doug Napoleone, Jesse 
Noller, Allison Randal, Greg Stein [left meeting at 17:04], James 
Tauber, Gloria Willadsen. Also in attendance were Kurt Kaiser 
(Treasurer), and Pat Campbell (Secretary & Administrator).


Minutes of Past Meetings
========================

The 10 May 2010 Board meeting minutes will be voted on after online
posting.


Votes Taken Between Meetings
============================

There was one vote taken since the last Board meeting on 10 May 2010.

Funding for Redevelopment of PyCon Website
==========================================

   **RESOLVED**, that the Board approves the use of up to $15,000 USD 
   of the PyCon 2010 profits to be used by the PyCon Chair (Van Lindberg) 
   to fund the rebuilding of the PyCon website and codebase, with the 
   approval to use an additional $5000 USD for continued support and bug 
   fixing of the new site for the PyCon 2011 season.
   
Approved, 9-1-3


Treasurer Report                    
================

The monthly Treasurer's Report was provided to Board members by K. Kaiser
prior to the Board meeting. There were no changes in the PSF's financial
position since the last Treasurer's Report a month ago.


Progress Report
===============

The Treasurer along with board members also thanked Van Lindberg and 
conference volunteers for their hard work. It was reported that PyCon 
2010 made a 72K profit and that all of the bills generated from the 
conference have been paid. 

Also, board members and officers will be holding a budget planning meeting 
by telephone-conference in July 2010 to plan and review the 2011 PSF budget.


Fund PyCon India 2010
=====================

The board discussed funding of PyCon India 2010 and agreed to provide a USD 1,000
grant to conference organizers. 

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 1,000 grant to the organizers of the
   PyCon India 2010 conference to be held September 2010, to fund the air travel 
   of one (1) foreign delegate from the U.S. or Europe to India.
   
Approved, 7-0-1.  


Fund EuroPython 2010
====================

Motion from M.A. Lemburg:

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 2,000 grant to the organizers
   of the EuroPython 2010 conference to be held July 2010, to fund sprint
   costs and travel expenses for selected speakers who could not otherwise
   attend.

Approved, 7-0-1.


PSF New Membership Class as Honorary Associate Member (HAM)- Resolution Only 
============================================================================

Motion from M.A. Lemburg:

   **RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors implement the creation
   of a new membership class, called "honorary associate members",
   as requested and approved by the members at the 2010 first
   annual PSF members meeting, as follows:

   There are now four classes of members of the corporation, denoted as
   nominated members, sponsor members, honorary associate members and
   emeritus members. References in the bylaws to a "member" or to the
   "members" of the corporation shall not include any honorary associate
   member, emeritus member or sponsor member unless explicitly provided
   otherwise.

   Honorary associate members have no voting rights and are not included
   in the membership count for purposes of establishing a quorum.

   Honorary associate membership shall be granted, on a yearly basis, in
   consideration of financial donation to the PSF, but subject to
   revocation by the Board of Directors.

   Annual donations sufficient for honorary associate membership shall
   initially be set at US$99, and may be revised by the Board of
   Directors from time to time.

   Honorary associate members may withdraw from membership in the
   corporation at any time upon ten (10) days' written, signed notice
   delivered to an officer of the corporation.

   The Board or Directors may, at its discretion, decide to provide
   incidental benefits to honorary associate members, such as
   subscription to a newsletter, Python-branded email addresses, or
   printed promotion material such as badges, stickers, or garments.
   
Approved, 8-0-0.  


Fund Project to Port pyOpenSSL to Python 3.x
============================================

    **RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 3,000 grant to Jean-Paul Calderone
    for a fully functional port of pyOpenSSL to Python 3.x with an API as
    similar to the 2.x API as possible.

This discussion was deferred to email to be voted on at the next board
meeting.


Fiscal Sponsorship of Third-Party Projects
==========================================

Motion from S. Holden:

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF expend up to USD 5,000 on attorney's
   fees to obtain instructions on how to properly operate a fiscal
   sponsorship scheme allowing it to support third-party projects
   compatible with the PSF's mission and accept donations on their
   behalf (possibly retaining a small portion of the funds to cover
   administration expenses).
   
This discussion was deferred to email to be voted on at the next board
meeting.


Fund Python Core Development Tasks
==================================

The board discussed a proposal by Brett Cannon to work on Python core
development tasks full-time for a period of two months: November &
December 2010. The proposal included a grant request of USD 4,500.
   
This discussion was deferred to email to be voted on at the next board
meeting.


Reimburse Expenses for PSF Chairman to Attend EuroPython
========================================================

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF reimburse expenses not to exceed USD 1,500
   to allow the Chairman to attend EuroPython which is holding the first
   Members' Meeting outside the United States.
   
Approved, 7-0-1.


Other Business
==============

Move Monthly Board Meetings to Third Monday
-------------------------------------------

Board members agreed to move their monthly board meeting from the second (2nd)
Monday of each month to the third (3rd) Monday of each month. The start date
for this change will begin in July 2010.


Adjournment
===========

S.?Holden adjourned the meeting at 17:06 UTC.
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| The Python Software Foundation
| Minutes of a Regular Meeting of the Board of Directors
|
| May 10, 2010
|
| Draft

A regular meeting of the Python Software Foundation ("PSF") Board of
Directors was held over Internet Relay Chat beginning at 16:05 UTC, 10
May 2010.  Steve Holden presided at the meeting. Pat Campbell
prepared the minutes.

All votes are reported in the form "*Y-N-A*" (*in favor ? opposed ?
abstentions*; e.g. "5-1-2" means "5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 2
abstentions").


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Attendance
==========

The following members of the Board of Directors were present at the
meeting: Steve Holden, Marc-Andre Lemburg, David Mertz, Doug Napoleone 
[joined meeting at 16:12], Jesse Noller, Tim Peters, Jeff Rush, Greg 
Stein, Martin v. L?wis, Gloria Willadsen. Also in attendance were 
Kurt Kaiser (Treasurer), and Pat Campbell (Secretary & Administrator).


Minutes of Past Meetings
========================

The 12 April 2010 Board meeting minutes were approved during this 
month's meeting session.

Approved, 9-0-0


Votes Taken Between Meetings
============================

There were no votes taken since the last Board meeting on 12 April 2010.


Treasurer Report
================

The monthly Treasurer's Report was provided to Board members by K. Kaiser
prior to the Board meeting. 

The board also discussed a variety of strategies to use in order to get a more 
timely report on current financials as well as on a budget plan for periodic 
review and planning.


Progress Report
===============

V. Lindberg provided the board with an update on PyCon 2010 financials with a
preliminary budget report.

The board also discussed and was provide information from our treasurer on the 
status of how far away we are from transitioning the accounting to our new accounts.


Election of Additional Officers
===============================

The following officer position was added to the corporation:

Communications Officer

The following Officer was nominated and elected:

* **Communications**: Doug Hellmann

   **RESOLVED**, that we create a new officer position "Communications
   Officer" to oversee the PSF communication between board, members
   and community. Doug Hellmann is appointed as first PSF Communications
   Officer.
   
Approved, 10-0-0.  


Infrastructure Committee (IC) Conflict of Interest Motion
=========================================================

Motion from M.A. Lemburg:

   **RESOLVED**, that the Infrastructure Committee may contract companies
   affiliated with IC members under the condition that:
   * these affiliations are publicized,
   * the respective IC member abstains from any vote regarding
     a contract with an affiliated company,
   * the IC gets at least one quote from a non-affiliated company,
     in case the expected costs exceed USD 1000 for one-time
     or USD 1000 per year for periodically billed expenditures.
   * the IC reports a summary of the decision process to the board
     for each such decision.

Approved, 10-0-0.


Funding of PyCamp 2010
======================

The board discussed the funding of PyCamp 2010 and decided to provide a
USD 750 grant to the organizers of the PyCon Ukraine Conference.

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 750 grant to the organizers of
   the PyCon Ukraine conference to be held in Kyiv, Ukraine, later this
   year, for funding speaker travel expenses.
   
Approved, 10-0-0   


Funding of SciPy 2010
=====================

The board discussed funding of SciPy 2010 and agreed to provide a USD 1,000
grant to conference organizers. Motion from S. Holden.

    **RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 1,000 grant to the organizers
    of the SciPy 2010 Conference to be held in Austin, Texas on June 28 
    through July 3, 2010, for students travel expenses.

Approved, 8-0-1.


Simplify Processing of Expense Receipts
=======================================

Motion from M.A. Lemburg:

   **RESOLVED**, that expense receipts and invoices for any PSF funded
   activity or equipment must be sent to the PSF Treasurer within 90
   days of date of receipt or invoice. Late filings will not be
   processed or refunded, unless prior arrangements have been
   made with the PSF Board, with a summary sent to psf at python.org.
   Expenses in non-USD currencies will be refunded in USD at the
   representative exchange rate as published by the International
   Monetary Fund (IMF) as-of the date on the receipt/invoice 
   (http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/data/param_rms_mth.aspx).
   
Approved, 10-0-0.   


Exoweb, Ltd. Sponsor Membership Application
===========================================

The board reached a consensus after a discussion on rather to
recommend the PSF sponsor membership application of Exoweb, Ltd., an 
international software development company.

   **RESOLVED**, that the board recommends Exoweb Ltd., Bejing, China, 
   as a pending sponsor member.
   
Approved, 10-0-0.


Late Filing of Non-USD PyCon 2009 Expenses
==========================================

Motion from M.A. Lemburg:

   **RESOLVED**, that all non-USD expenses incurred by officers or
   directors of the PSF for PyCon 2009 be reimbursed in USD based on
   the representative exchange rate as published by the
   International Monetary Fund as-of May 22 2009 
   (http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/data/param_rms_mth.aspx).
   
Approved, 8-0-2.


PSF Community Service Award Nominations for 2010 - 2nd Quarter
==============================================================

One Nominee for the 2010 - 2nd quarter PSF Community Service Award was selected.

*[Details temporarily omitted from the public minutes, to be restored after the
announcement of the prospective award recipient at the EuroPython Conference to 
be held in Birmingham UK in July 2010.]*


PSF New Membership Class as Honorary Associate Member (HAM)- Bylaws Change 
==========================================================================

Motion from M.A. Lemburg:

   **RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors implement the creation
   of a new membership class, called "honorary associate members",
   as requested and approved by the members at the 2010 first
   annual PSF members meeting, by updating the bylaws as follows:

   * Section 3.10, first paragraph, is updated to include the
     honorary associate members as non-voting member class:

     Section 3.10. Voting. Each nominated member shall be entitled to
     one vote on each matter submitted to a vote at a meeting of the
     members, except as may otherwise be provided in the General
     Corporation Law of the State of Delaware. Sponsor members that
     have appointed a representative, as described in Section 4.3,
     are also entitled to one such vote. Emeritus members and honorary
     associate members are not entitled to vote at members' meetings.

   * Section 4.1 is updated to include the new member class:

     Section 4.1. Member Classes. There are four classes of members
     of the corporation, denoted as nominated members, sponsor members,
     honorary associate members and emeritus members. References in
     these Bylaws to a "member" or to the "members" of the corporation
     shall not include any honorary associate member, emeritus member
     or sponsor member unless explicitly provided otherwise.

   * Section 4.9 is updated to include the possibility to have
     honorary associate members withdraw their membership:

     Section 4.9. Voluntary Withdrawal from Membership. Members
     (including honorary associate members and emeritus members) may
     withdraw from membership in the corporation at any time upon ten
     (10) days' written, signed notice delivered to an officer of the
     corporation.

   * a new Section 4.12 is added to defined the new membership class:

     Section 4.12. Honorary Associate Members. Honorary associate
     members have no voting rights and are not included in the
     membership count for purposes of establishing a quorum.
     Honorary associate membership shall be granted, on a yearly
     basis, in consideration of financial donation to the PSF, but
     subject to revocation by the Board of Directors. Annual
     donations sufficient for honorary associate membership shall
     initially be set at US$99, and may be revised by the Board of
     Directors from time to time. The Board or Directors may, at
     its discretion, decide to provide incidental benefits to
     honorary associate members, such as subscription to a
     newsletter, Python-branded email addresses, or printed
     promotion material such as badges, stickers, or garments.
   
Denied, 2-8-0.


PSF New Membership Class as Honorary Associate Member (HAM)- Board Resolution
=============================================================================

Motion from M.A. Lemburg:

   **RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors implement the creation
   of a new membership class, called "honorary associate members",
   as requested and approved by the members at the 2010 first
   annual PSF members meeting, as follows:

   There are now four classes of members of the corporation, denoted as
   nominated members, sponsor members, honorary associate members and
   emeritus members. References in the bylaws to a "member" or to the
   "members" of the corporation shall not include any honorary associate
   member, emeritus member or sponsor member unless explicitly provided
   otherwise.

   Honorary associate members have no voting rights and are not included
   in the membership count for purposes of establishing a quorum.

   Honorary associate membership shall be granted, on a yearly basis, in
   consideration of financial donation to the PSF, but subject to
   revocation by the Board of Directors.

   Annual donations sufficient for honorary associate membership shall
   initially be set at US$99, and may be revised by the Board of
   Directors from time to time.

   Honorary associate members may withdraw from membership in the
   corporation at any time upon ten (10) days' written, signed notice
   delivered to an officer of the corporation.

   The Board or Directors may, at its discretion, decide to provide
   incidental benefits to honorary associate members, such as
   subscription to a newsletter, Python-branded email addresses, or
   printed promotion material such as badges, stickers, or garments.
   
This board discussion was deferred to email and will be voted on 
during the next board meeting to be held in June 2010.   


New Sprint Committee & Community-Based Sprints Funding
======================================================

Motion from J. Noller:

   **RESOLVED**, that the Board approves the creation of a specific 
   "Targeted Sprint Committee" and allocates a yearly budget of 5000 
   USD for the funding of targeted, community based sprints with Jesse 
   Noller as the initial Chairman, and additional members as needed 
   per project requirements and approved by the board.
   
Approved, 9-0-1


Funding for Redevelopment of PyCon Website
==========================================

The board discussed V. Lindberg's, PyCon 2011 Chairman, request of USD 15,000
for "redevelopment of the PyCon website using Django and Pinax, with the
funds going toward the hiring of Eldarion for initial development and any
necessary data porting from the old sites." 

This discussion was deferred to email.


Other Business
==============

Budget Planning
---------------

M.A. Lemburg suggested that "the PSF should start to work based on budgets 
rather than just having the treasurer chase after our expenses. This will
reduce the fluctuation we have in the financials figures and make the whole
operation more predictable." 

This discussion was deferred to email.


Creating Marketing Material for Python
--------------------------------------

The board also discussed the use of a Plone model to design a brochure and
flyer as marketing material for Python as suggested by M.A. Lemburg.

M.A. Lemburg: "MarcAndreLemburg has been in touch with a texter and a designer in 
Germany who have prepared a professional quality brochure and flyer for Plone. 
Should we put more energy and money into this to create a similar set for Python?
The idea then is to have the PSF send out this marketing material to conferences and 
other similar events in order to help spread the word about the Python."

G. Stein: "I'd suggest making this the responsibility of the Communications
Officer."

This discussion was deferred to email.


Adjournment
===========

S.?Holden adjourned the meeting at 17:28 UTC.
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The Python Software Foundation
Minutes of a Regular Meeting of the Board of Directors


July 26, 2010


Draft
A regular meeting of the Python Software Foundation ("PSF") Board of Directors 
was held over Internet Relay Chat beginning at 16:01 UTC, 26 July 2010. Steve 
Holden presided at the meeting. David Mertz prepared the minutes.
All votes are reported in the form "Y-N-A" (in favor ? opposed ? abstentions; 
e.g. "5-1-2" means "5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 2 abstentions").
Contents
  1   Attendance
  2   Minutes of Past Meetings
  3   Votes Taken Between Meetings
  4   Treasurer Report
  5   Progress Report
  6   Funding of Jean-Paul Calderone for a port of pyOpenSSL to Python 3.x
  7   Funding of Brett Cannon for Python core development
  8   Donation to American Heart Association
  9   Reauthorization of the Trademarks Committee
  10   Funding of PyCon Argentina and Python Brasil
  11   Discussion of Email Balloting
  12   Electronic Contributor Agreements
  13   Adjournment
1   Attendance
The following members of the Board of Directors were present at the meeting: 
Steve Holden, Gloria Willadsen, Jeff Rush, Marc-Andr? Lemburg, Jesse Noller, 
David Mertz, Tim Peters, Douglas Napoleone [joined meeting at 16:08], James 
Tauber [joined meeting at 16:10], Raymond Hettinger [joined meeting at 16:39]. 
Also in attendance was Kurt Kaiser (treasurer).
2   Minutes of Past Meetings
The 10 May 2010 Board meeting minutes were approved during this month's meeting 
session.
Approved, 6-0-1.
The 21 June 2010 Board meeting minutes were approved during this month's meeting 
session.
Approved, 4-0-3.
3   Votes Taken Between Meetings
There were no votes taken since the last Board meeting on 21 June 2010.
4   Treasurer Report
The montly Treasurer's Report was provided to Board members by K. Kaiser prior 
to the Board meeting.
The board discussed how to respond to Wendroff's request for increase in fees 
from the previously contracted amounts; dissatisfaction with the level of 
service from Wendroff was discussed. The Chair will explore other options for 
future accounting service.
5   Progress Report
Jesse Noller reported funding of 2 sprints, one in Canada and one at Europython, 
and the potential to fund 2-3 in the upcoming months. He reports 2 potential 
donors and plenty of donated space for sprints, including space donation by 
Microsoft.
6   Funding of Jean-Paul Calderone for a port of pyOpenSSL to Python 3.x
The board voted on the funding motion.
  RESOLVED, that the PSF offers a USD 3,000 grant to Jean-Paul Calderone for a 
  fully functional port of pyOpenSSL to Python 3.x with an API as similar to the 
  2.x API as possible.
Approved, 9-0-0.
7   Funding of Brett Cannon for Python core development
The board discussed the funding request previously submitted in writing by Brett 
Cannon.
  RESOLVED, that the PSF offers a USD 4,500 grant to work full-time for a period 
  of two months on Python core development as outlined in the proposal PDF 
  (http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20100614/62bbf3b8/attachment-0001.pdf).
Approved, 9-0-0.
8   Donation to American Heart Association
The board voted on a charitable donation in memory of Tim Costello.
  RESOLVED, that the PSF donate $100 to the American Heart Association in memory 
  of Tim Costello, the uber- technician of CTE who recently passed-away.
Approved, 9-0-0.
9   Reauthorization of the Trademarks Committee
The board discussed a revised membership and continuation of the Trademarks 
Committee.
  RESOLVED, that the Board reauthorize the Trademarks Committee, with a 
  membership consisting of Chair David Mertz, and members Marc-Andre Lemburg, 
  David Goodger, James Tauber, Doug Napoleone. Further resolve that the Chair 
  shall be authorized to appoint or remove such advisors to the committee as 
  s/he sees fit, where advisors may offer advice to the committee on legal or 
  technical issues but shall not vote in discussions nor count towards quorum.
Approved, 5-0-3.
10   Funding of PyCon Argentina and Python Brasil
The board discussed a funding request that would cover joint funding of speakers 
to appear at both time-adjacent conferences. The original request was felt to be 
underspecified, heed was taken to current financial limitations fo the PSF, and 
the board reached a clarified motion.
  RESOLVED, that the PSF offers a grant of US$2500 to the organizers of the 
  PyCon Argentina & Python Brasil 2010 conferences to be held October 2010, to 
  fund the travel expenses of keynote speakers.
Approved, 9-0-0.
11   Discussion of Email Balloting
Concern was expressed that Secretary Pat Campbell's health issue may prevent her 
from conducting the planned election to follow the recent EuroPython.
Consensus was reached that the board should wait two weeks to see if Pat is 
comfortable with conducting the election at such time; further consensus was 
reached that should she be unable to conduct this election, another a principled 
non-PSF member would be suitable to conduct the balloting (with technical 
assistance from David Mertz, as needed).
12   Electronic Contributor Agreements
The board discussed whether electronic signatures would be legally appropriate 
for contributor agreements and whether use of them would make it easier to 
optain such agreements. Jeff Rush agreed to research the issue.
13   Adjournment
Steve Holden adjourned the meeting at 17:10 UTC.
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| The Python Software Foundation
| Minutes of a Regular Meeting of the Board of Directors
|
| August 16, 2010
|
| Draft

A regular meeting of the Python Software Foundation ("PSF") Board of
Directors was held over Internet Relay Chat beginning at 16:09 UTC, 16
August 2010. Steve Holden presided at the meeting. Pat Campbell
prepared the minutes.

All votes are reported in the form "*Y-N-A*" (*in favor ? opposed ?
abstentions*; e.g. "5-1-2" means "5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 2
abstentions").


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Attendance                                  
==========

The following members of the Board of Directors were present at the
meeting: Steve Holden, Marc-Andre Lemburg, David Mertz, Doug Napoleone, 
Jesse Noller, Tim Peters, Jeff Rush, Greg Stein, James Tauber, Also in 
attendance were Kurt Kaiser (Treasurer), and Pat Campbell (Secretary & 
Administrator).


Minutes of Past Meetings
========================

The 26 July 2010 Board meeting minutes were voted on and approved.

Approved, 8-0-1.


Votes Taken Between Meetings
============================

There was one vote taken since the last Board meeting on 26 July 2010.

Funding of PyTexas 2010
=======================

The original Motion from J. Rush was amended:   
   
   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF support PyTexas 2010 with a grant of $750. 
   
Approved, 12-0-1.


Treasurer Report                    
================

The monthly Treasurer's Report was provided to Board members by K. Kaiser
prior to the Board meeting. There were only a few changes in the PSF's 
financial position since the last Treasurer's Report a month ago.


Progress Report                                                               .
===============

D. Napoleone will provide an email report to the board on the new PyCon 
software.

The board also discussed and recommended that all reports (committee
reports, project reports, etc.) be submitted to the board mailing list 
at least one week before the monthly board meeting.


Fund PyCon PL 2010
==================

The board discussed funding of PyCon PL 2010 and agreed to provide a USD 
750 grant to conference organizers to aid with conference needs. 

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 750 grant to the organizers of 
   the    PyCon PL 2010 conference.
   
Approved, 8-0-1.  


Employee Healthcare
====================

The original Motion from S. Holden was amended:

   **RESOLVED**, that subject to the President's approval the PSF will 
   increase    the administrator's reimbursement by USD 400 per month.

Approved, 9-0-0.


New Sponsor Membership Application
==================================

The board recommended Werbeagentur Berlin - Eventelligence
ltd. as a new pending sponsor member of the PSF. The new
member recommendation will be voted on at the next members'
meeting.


   **RESOLVED**, that the board recommends Werbeagentur Berlin 
   - Eventelligence ltd. as a pending sponsor member.      
     
Approved, 9-0-0.  


Fund Static PyPI Mirror on Amazon Cloudfront
============================================

    **RESOLVED**, that the PSF will direct an initial $500 towards exploring
    the feasability of a static PyPI (http://pypi.python.org/) mirror on a 
    cloud delivery network (CDN), setup as outlined in the proposal 
    http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/2010-August/013056.html.
    Anticipated ongoing costs will be $1944/year, subject to approval in
    subsequent Board motions.

Approved, 9-0-0.


Other Business
==============

No other business reported on at this board meeting.


Adjournment
===========

S.?Holden adjourned the meeting at 17:02 UTC.

From amk at amk.ca  Fri Sep 17 15:50:54 2010
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:50:54 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: PSF- board meetings posted online
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikRaaTEZZdnQ0NfLc25kbXa-rCbGimuBV5jDkX-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikRaaTEZZdnQ0NfLc25kbXa-rCbGimuBV5jDkX-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100917135054.GA5084@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 07:32:05AM -0400, Pat Campbell wrote:
> please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for April
> through August 2010.

Thanks!  I've posted all of these board minutes.  A number of them
still said "draft" in the file's title; since you said these were all
approved, I've edited them to remove the word "draft".  Please let me
know if that's wrong.

Note that the July minutes were the formatted version, not the
original text source.  You don't need to re-send or do anything,
because luckily I have access to the PSF wiki and just looked there to
get the original source.

--amk

From sdeibel at wingware.com  Fri Sep 17 17:39:01 2010
From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:39:01 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: Frank Willison Award
 Recipient for 2010 - Christian Tismer
In-Reply-To: <4C8F7AC5.7090000@python.org>
References: <4C8F7AC5.7090000@python.org>
Message-ID: <4C938B95.1040909@wingware.com>

Michael Foord wrote:
> Could you please add the bio information & the attached photo below 
> for the 2010 Frank Willison Award recipient (Christian Tismer) to: 
>  
> http://www.python.org/community/awards/frank-willison/

I've just done this and also updated Steve Holden's image, although of 
course I had to reduce it further than the smallest size he provided. ;-)

- Stephan


From patcam at python.org  Fri Sep 17 18:37:24 2010
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:37:24 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: Frank Willison Award
 Recipient for 2010 - Christian Tismer
In-Reply-To: <4C938B95.1040909@wingware.com>
References: <4C8F7AC5.7090000@python.org>
	<4C938B95.1040909@wingware.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzJikscwskzwcXjHc0t6cuYhz8HXMHX2XTLFkT@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Stephan.
Pat

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Stephan Deibel <sdeibel at wingware.com>wrote:

> Michael Foord wrote:
>
>> Could you please add the bio information & the attached photo below for
>> the 2010 Frank Willison Award recipient (Christian Tismer) to:
>> http://www.python.org/community/awards/frank-willison/
>>
>
> I've just done this and also updated Steve Holden's image, although of
> course I had to reduce it further than the smallest size he provided. ;-)
>
> - Stephan
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From patcam at python.org  Fri Sep 17 19:08:56 2010
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:08:56 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: PSF- board meetings posted online
In-Reply-To: <20100917135054.GA5084@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <AANLkTikRaaTEZZdnQ0NfLc25kbXa-rCbGimuBV5jDkX-@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100917135054.GA5084@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimn7FgD38XC0hjyaq+-WwnDpqCmsN+JdaEFFiWD@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrew.

Removing the word "draft" from the title was okay and thanks for doing that
also.

Pat

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:50 AM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 07:32:05AM -0400, Pat Campbell wrote:
> > please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for
> April
> > through August 2010.
>
> Thanks!  I've posted all of these board minutes.  A number of them
> still said "draft" in the file's title; since you said these were all
> approved, I've edited them to remove the word "draft".  Please let me
> know if that's wrong.
>
> Note that the July minutes were the formatted version, not the
> original text source.  You don't need to re-send or do anything,
> because luckily I have access to the PSF wiki and just looked there to
> get the original source.
>
> --amk
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From webmaster at python.org  Wed Sep 22 01:33:06 2010
From: webmaster at python.org (webmaster at python.org)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:33:06 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: IP Blocking
Message-ID: <4C9940B2.3040101@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	IP Blocking
Date: 	Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:32:55 -0700
From: 	Jacob MacDonald <jaccarmac at gmail.com>
To: 	webmaster at python.org



Hello,

I have been a Python user for about a year, and recently I have not been 
able to access the python.org <http://python.org> website. I believe the 
problem originates with my upgrade from a Clearwire 3g modem to a CLEAR 
4g modem. I contacted my ISP and was able to access the website through 
a free proxy. The ISP informed me that my IP address was being blocked, 
and mentioned BOGON filtering. In researching BOGON, I learned exactly 
what it is. I apologize if this problem is an ISP blunder and you cannot 
fix it, but perhaps your tables of BOGON addresses are wrong? I don't 
know much about the low workings of the Internet, but I would appreciate 
an explanation of exactly what is happening.

IP Adress: 50.8.166.56

Thanks!
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From webmaster at python.org  Wed Sep 22 01:33:19 2010
From: webmaster at python.org (webmaster at python.org)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:33:19 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: License notice on download page
Message-ID: <4C9940BF.2010903@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	License notice on download page
Date: 	Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:20:08 -0400
From: 	Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu>
To: 	webmaster at python.org



Please see the second half of
http://bugs.python.org/issue9119#msg115129
for a suggestion about adding a notice about licences and inclusion of 
cryptography to the downloads page. The other posts on the issue provide 
context for the suggestion. If you make the change, please say so on the 
issue or email me so we can close it.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Sep 22 07:15:58 2010
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:15:58 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: IP Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4C9940B2.3040101@python.org>
References: <4C9940B2.3040101@python.org>
Message-ID: <4C99910E.3000904@v.loewis.de>

I have contacted xs4all in this matter.

Regards,
Martin

From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Wed Sep 22 11:05:54 2010
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:05:54 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: IP Blocking
In-Reply-To: <4C99910E.3000904@v.loewis.de>
References: <4C9940B2.3040101@python.org> <4C99910E.3000904@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <4C99C6F2.6020906@voidspace.org.uk>

  On 22/09/2010 06:15, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
> I have contacted xs4all in this matter.

Thanks Martin. I'll let the original emailer know.

All the best,

Michael

> Regards,
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


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From martin at martinthomas.net  Wed Sep 22 21:12:15 2010
From: martin at martinthomas.net (Martin Thomas)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:12:15 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Problem with Updates of Jobs RSS
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8fvsfzt9q0LfAU6AmTuq+J9CQv3k71hL_tW5K@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone take a look at the script that copies
/data/website-build/build/out/community/jobs/jobs.rss to /data/
ftp.python.org/pub/www.python.org ?
It always seems to be one check-in out of sync with the jobs page.
At the moment, the first item in ../out/community/jobs/jobs.rss is from
check-in 13387 and the first in the rss on the website is from check-in
13387.

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From amk at amk.ca  Fri Sep 24 19:00:23 2010
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:00:23 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
Message-ID: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has      
> all the usual suspects.

Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.

--amk

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Sep 24 22:04:07 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:04:07 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <20100924200407.GB23883@panix.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has      
>> all the usual suspects.
> 
> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.

Fine by me.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From georg at python.org  Fri Sep 24 22:06:11 2010
From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:06:11 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <20100924200407.GB23883@panix.com>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
	<20100924200407.GB23883@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4C9D04B3.8080207@python.org>

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Am 24.09.2010 22:04, schrieb Aahz:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has      
>>> all the usual suspects.
>> 
>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
> 
> Fine by me.

No!!!  Then anybody could see all those @psu.org addresses subscribed
to pydotorg-ww
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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Sat Sep 25 00:19:29 2010
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:19:29 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <4C9D23F1.30704@voidspace.org.uk>

  On 24/09/2010 18:00, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>> all the usual suspects.
> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
+1

Michael

> --amk
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


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From schmiddy at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 00:40:55 2010
From: schmiddy at gmail.com (Josh Kupershmidt)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:40:55 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=PJNXqq+3kZKAY-j74jzEV-emf1Df-FOfc9HxC@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>> all the usual suspects.
>
> Any objections to making the subscriber list public? ?It seems
> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.

Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
might not be so public?

Not to mention that when people signed up for the list, the form
explicitly said "This is a hidden list, which means that the list of
members is available only to the list administrator". It seems
impolite, at best, to renege on this promise.

Josh

From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Sep 25 01:34:50 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:34:50 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=PJNXqq+3kZKAY-j74jzEV-emf1Df-FOfc9HxC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
	<AANLkTi=PJNXqq+3kZKAY-j74jzEV-emf1Df-FOfc9HxC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikz2m5P3BhrvWBDWMEqqmJzSX01V1=Rk1dBhKoa@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Josh Kupershmidt <schmiddy at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>> all the usual suspects.
>>
>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public? ?It seems
>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>
> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
> might not be so public?
>
> Not to mention that when people signed up for the list, the form
> explicitly said "This is a hidden list, which means that the list of
> members is available only to the list administrator". It seems
> impolite, at best, to renege on this promise.

I also see:

"(The subscribers list is only available to the list administrator.)"
- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www

So even if there is a use, I don't think it should be made public

-- 
Carl K

From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Sat Sep 25 01:51:40 2010
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:51:40 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikz2m5P3BhrvWBDWMEqqmJzSX01V1=Rk1dBhKoa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>	<AANLkTi=PJNXqq+3kZKAY-j74jzEV-emf1Df-FOfc9HxC@mail.gmail.com>
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  On 25/09/2010 00:34, Carl Karsten wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Josh Kupershmidt<schmiddy at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling<amk at amk.ca>  wrote:
>>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>>> all the usual suspects.
>>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
>> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
>> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
>> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
>> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
>> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
>> might not be so public?
>>
>> Not to mention that when people signed up for the list, the form
>> explicitly said "This is a hidden list, which means that the list of
>> members is available only to the list administrator". It seems
>> impolite, at best, to renege on this promise.
> I also see:
>
> "(The subscribers list is only available to the list administrator.)"
> - http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
> So even if there is a use, I don't think it should be made public
>
So long as we give adequate notice, so anyone who doesn't want their 
name / email address associated with this list has a chance to 
unsubscribe, I don't think there should be an issue.

All the best,

Michael Foord

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From barry at python.org  Sat Sep 25 03:14:10 2010
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:14:10 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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On Sep 24, 2010, at 01:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote:

>On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and
>> has all the usual suspects.
>
>Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.

None from me.
-Barry
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From schmiddy at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 03:17:29 2010
From: schmiddy at gmail.com (Josh Kupershmidt)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:17:29 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
> So long as we give adequate notice, so anyone who doesn't want their name /
> email address associated with this list has a chance to unsubscribe, I don't
> think there should be an issue.

Hrm, so basically "opt-out". What about "opt-in", instead: ask for
people who would specifically like their addresses posted on a
membership list. I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.

And I still don't see the use for such a list. The only thing I could
think of was if there's some website emergency, and folks need to whom
to contact directly. But that seems like it should already be handled
by webmaster at python.org. Maybe there's some real use-case for this I'm
not seeing?

Josh

From georg at python.org  Sat Sep 25 08:13:25 2010
From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 08:13:25 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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Am 25.09.2010 00:40, schrieb Josh Kupershmidt:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>> all the usual suspects.
>>
>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
> 
> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
> might not be so public?

Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
to admins, but not the general public?

Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.

Georg
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From barry at python.org  Sat Sep 25 09:47:15 2010
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:47:15 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:13 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:

> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
> to admins, but not the general public?
> 
> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.

In that case, wouldn't the names alone be enough?

-Barry


From techtonik at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 15:34:43 2010
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:34:43 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
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On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Georg Brandl <georg at python.org> wrote:
> Am 25.09.2010 00:40, schrieb Josh Kupershmidt:
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
>>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>>> all the usual suspects.
>>>
>>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public? ?It seems
>>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>>
>> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
>> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
>> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
>> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
>> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
>> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
>> might not be so public?
>
> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
> to admins, but not the general public?
>
> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.

It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better image.
Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight will.

--
anatoly t.

From georg at python.org  Sat Sep 25 15:42:09 2010
From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:42:09 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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Am 25.09.2010 15:34, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Georg Brandl <georg at python.org> wrote:
>> Am 25.09.2010 00:40, schrieb Josh Kupershmidt:
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
>>>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>>>> all the usual suspects.
>>>>
>>>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>>>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>>>
>>> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
>>> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
>>> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
>>> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
>>> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
>>> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
>>> might not be so public?
>>
>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>
>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
> 
> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better image.
> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight will.

There is no secret stuff going on on pydotorg.  It is simply administrivia for
the several python.org machines, which can include sensitive information at
times and is therefore private as a precaution.

If you don't believe us even that, you'd probably also want to make the root
credentials for python.org public, so that the community can check the secret
software we're running on the diverse machines?

Georg

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From steve at holdenweb.com  Sat Sep 25 17:53:53 2010
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 11:53:53 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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On 9/25/2010 9:34 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Georg Brandl <georg at python.org> wrote:
>> Am 25.09.2010 00:40, schrieb Josh Kupershmidt:
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
>>>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>>>> all the usual suspects.
>>>>
>>>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>>>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>>>
>>> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
>>> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
>>> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
>>> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
>>> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
>>> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
>>> might not be so public?
>>
>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>
>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
> 
> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better image.
> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight will.
> 
Enough of this paranoia.

regards
 Steve
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From jnoller at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 18:44:27 2010
From: jnoller at gmail.com (Jesse Noller)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:44:27 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:34 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:

>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>
>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
>
> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better image.
> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight will.

Dammit. I never get secret stuff. Where are we doing it again?

From barry at python.org  Sat Sep 25 19:18:27 2010
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:18:27 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:34 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>> 
>>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
>> 
>> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better image.
>> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight will.
> 
> Dammit. I never get secret stuff. Where are we doing it again?

Only the PSU knows, and they emphatically do not exist.



From georg at python.org  Sat Sep 25 18:54:24 2010
From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:54:24 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
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Am 25.09.2010 18:44, schrieb Jesse Noller:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:34 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>>
>>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
>>
>> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better image.
>> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight will.
> 
> Dammit. I never get secret stuff. Where are we doing it again?

I will send you an email with your credentials for the secret area at
<http://www.python.org/secret> shortly.

cheers,
Georg
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From mfoord at python.org  Sat Sep 25 22:02:07 2010
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:02:07 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinHWys9+Gi3rnbwdO1ei2OZb+8+NhSLzF7j9iDR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>	<AANLkTi=PJNXqq+3kZKAY-j74jzEV-emf1Df-FOfc9HxC@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9D9305.8070004@python.org>
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  On 25/09/2010 14:34, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Georg Brandl<georg at python.org>  wrote:
>> Am 25.09.2010 00:40, schrieb Josh Kupershmidt:
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling<amk at amk.ca>  wrote:
>>>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>>>> all the usual suspects.
>>>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>>>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>>> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
>>> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
>>> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
>>> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
>>> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
>>> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
>>> might not be so public?
>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>
>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better image.
> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight will.

Actually the suggestion to open up the member list came from Guido on 
python-dev who wanted to know who was subscribed. His use-case was 
knowing the 'team' who has an interest in website maintenance, which is 
the purpose of this list.

All the best,

Michael Foord

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From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Sep 25 22:21:24 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:21:24 -0500
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On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:
> ?On 25/09/2010 14:34, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Georg Brandl<georg at python.org> ?wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 25.09.2010 00:40, schrieb Josh Kupershmidt:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling<amk at amk.ca> ?wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>>>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>>>>> all the usual suspects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public? ?It seems
>>>>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
>>>> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
>>>> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
>>>> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
>>>> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
>>>> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
>>>> might not be so public?
>>>
>>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>>
>>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
>>
>> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better
>> image.
>> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight
>> will.
>
> Actually the suggestion to open up the member list came from Guido on
> python-dev who wanted to know who was subscribed. His use-case was knowing
> the 'team' who has an interest in website maintenance, which is the purpose
> of this list.
>
> All the best,
>
> Michael Foord

Dear Guido,

Unfortunately the list contract does not allow us to do that.

However, the information you want could be obtained if you have access
to an easy to use scripting language and some web crawling algorithms.
  Java is a good choice:  it's web-scale.

-- 
Carl K

From mfoord at python.org  Sat Sep 25 22:22:46 2010
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:22:46 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1bw_HU9_8dZPgnFBLt+OzZvFWRz0eYJba3osY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>	<AANLkTi=PJNXqq+3kZKAY-j74jzEV-emf1Df-FOfc9HxC@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9D9305.8070004@python.org>	<AANLkTinHWys9+Gi3rnbwdO1ei2OZb+8+NhSLzF7j9iDR@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9E553F.50806@python.org>
	<AANLkTik1bw_HU9_8dZPgnFBLt+OzZvFWRz0eYJba3osY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C9E5A16.4080302@python.org>

  On 25/09/2010 21:21, Carl Karsten wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Michael Foord<mfoord at python.org>  wrote:
>>   On 25/09/2010 14:34, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Georg Brandl<georg at python.org>   wrote:
>>>> Am 25.09.2010 00:40, schrieb Josh Kupershmidt:
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling<amk at amk.ca>   wrote:
>>>>>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>>>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>>>>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>>>>>> all the usual suspects.
>>>>>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>>>>>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>>>>> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
>>>>> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
>>>>> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
>>>>> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
>>>>> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
>>>>> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
>>>>> might not be so public?
>>>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>>>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>>>
>>>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
>>> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better
>>> image.
>>> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight
>>> will.
>> Actually the suggestion to open up the member list came from Guido on
>> python-dev who wanted to know who was subscribed. His use-case was knowing
>> the 'team' who has an interest in website maintenance, which is the purpose
>> of this list.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Michael Foord
> Dear Guido,
>
> Unfortunately the list contract does not allow us to do that.
>

That's the great thing. It isn't a contract. Not in any shape or form. 
We can do what is best with it.

Michael

> However, the information you want could be obtained if you have access
> to an easy to use scripting language and some web crawling algorithms.
>    Java is a good choice:  it's web-scale.
>


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From martin at v.loewis.de  Sat Sep 25 23:31:16 2010
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:31:16 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <4C9E553F.50806@python.org>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>	<AANLkTi=PJNXqq+3kZKAY-j74jzEV-emf1Df-FOfc9HxC@mail.gmail.com>	<4C9D9305.8070004@python.org>	<AANLkTinHWys9+Gi3rnbwdO1ei2OZb+8+NhSLzF7j9iDR@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E553F.50806@python.org>
Message-ID: <4C9E6A24.9040106@v.loewis.de>

> Actually the suggestion to open up the member list came from Guido on
> python-dev who wanted to know who was subscribed. His use-case was
> knowing the 'team' who has an interest in website maintenance, which is
> the purpose of this list.

OTOH, I think it really *wouldn't* have told him what he wanted to
know, namely, who does Moin maintenance. Skip answered this in a better
way, IMO.

Regards,
Martin

From skip at pobox.com  Sun Sep 26 00:15:22 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:15:22 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Making list membership public
In-Reply-To: <4C9E553F.50806@python.org>
References: <20100924170023.GA4792@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
	<AANLkTi=PJNXqq+3kZKAY-j74jzEV-emf1Df-FOfc9HxC@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9D9305.8070004@python.org>
	<AANLkTinHWys9+Gi3rnbwdO1ei2OZb+8+NhSLzF7j9iDR@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9E553F.50806@python.org>
Message-ID: <19614.29818.863332.842770@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Michael> Actually the suggestion to open up the member list came from
    Michael> Guido on python-dev who wanted to know who was subscribed. His
    Michael> use-case was knowing the 'team' who has an interest in website
    Michael> maintenance, which is the purpose of this list.

You could just make him a list admin. ;-)

Skip

From amk at amk.ca  Mon Sep 27 14:31:38 2010
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:31:38 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Python-Dev] Python wiki
In-Reply-To: <i7nj9q$n2q$1@dough.gmane.org>
References: <4C9C3B44.3050401@v.loewis.de> <4C9C7DF1.5040500@voidspace.org.uk>
	<AANLkTim38BJj7ni1KDTkZWHKka6U7V1MdRoCeR_f-Y++@mail.gmail.com>
	<i7kuss$buq$2@dough.gmane.org> <4C9E6CF8.4080705@v.loewis.de>
	<i7lr19$eqn$1@dough.gmane.org> <4C9E74D0.3050704@v.loewis.de>
	<AANLkTik_d_k6+bSP=Q2gcuP=o7kvsRg+f0g8CZtgvOtC@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9F43CB.6010500@v.loewis.de> <i7nj9q$n2q$1@dough.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20100927123138.GA3241@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 03:53:58PM +0200, Georg Brandl wrote:
> * redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin

I've added a <meta http-equiv> element to the top page of
wiki.python.org, so browsers will now jump to the /moin/ page
immediately.  This won't help crawlers that don't parse the HTML, but
that probably doesn't matter.

--amk

From ncoghlan at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 22:34:10 2010
From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 06:34:10 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Python-Dev] Python wiki
In-Reply-To: <20100927123138.GA3241@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <4C9C3B44.3050401@v.loewis.de> <4C9C7DF1.5040500@voidspace.org.uk>
	<AANLkTim38BJj7ni1KDTkZWHKka6U7V1MdRoCeR_f-Y++@mail.gmail.com>
	<i7kuss$buq$2@dough.gmane.org> <4C9E6CF8.4080705@v.loewis.de>
	<i7lr19$eqn$1@dough.gmane.org> <4C9E74D0.3050704@v.loewis.de>
	<AANLkTik_d_k6+bSP=Q2gcuP=o7kvsRg+f0g8CZtgvOtC@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C9F43CB.6010500@v.loewis.de> <i7nj9q$n2q$1@dough.gmane.org>
	<20100927123138.GA3241@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2T2eGhzis=97TPwQF8pZ74EGbT9iGsG_xvt0z@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:31 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 03:53:58PM +0200, Georg Brandl wrote:
>> * redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin
>
> I've added a <meta http-equiv> element to the top page of
> wiki.python.org, so browsers will now jump to the /moin/ page
> immediately. ?This won't help crawlers that don't parse the HTML, but
> that probably doesn't matter.

That did the trick, thanks.

Cheers,
Nick.

-- 
Nick Coghlan?? |?? ncoghlan at gmail.com?? |?? Brisbane, Australia

From patcam at python.org  Tue Sep 28 20:11:15 2010
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:11:15 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Bylaws update
In-Reply-To: <4C3B2F9E.3090601@egenix.com>
References: <4C3B2F9E.3090601@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimrz+CD_vOU4WN_+4jDDu5wDPV+ZohQ3DeRYoeB@mail.gmail.com>

Hi pydotorg:

Could you please make the following changes to the PSF Bylaws web page
here:

http://www.python.org/psf/bylaws/

*Only Section 4.7, Section 4.10 & Section 6.3 were amended -- see below.*

*Section 4.7* *(should read as)*


    SECTION 4.7. INVOLUNTARY CONVERSION OF MEMBERSHIP TO EMERITUS STATUS.

    The membership of a nominated member may be converted into an emeritus

    membership upon an affirmative vote of a two-thirds majority of the

    members of the corporation who are present and eligible to vote at the

    meeting, with the following restriction. Any vote for involuntary

    conversion of membership to emeritus status must be held electronically

    or by teleconference instead of in person, as described in Section 13.8.

    The membership of a nominated member shall be converted into an emeritus

    membership automatically upon failure of a nominated member to vote at

    the last three (3) consecutive members' meetings and on any actions

    without meeting that occurred since the first of these three meetings.

*
Section 4.10 (should read as)
*
**

    SECTION 4.10. TERMINATION OF MEMBERSHIP. A member's membership may be

    terminated by an affirmative vote of a two-thirds majority of the

    members of the corporation who are present and eligible to vote at the

    meeting, with the following restriction. Any vote for termination of

    membership must be held electronically or by teleconference instead of

    in person, as described in Section 13.8. A sponsor member's membership

    shall be automatically terminated if the sponsor member's yearly fee has

    not been paid within three (3) months of the due date.


*Section 6.3 **(should read as)*
**

    SECTION 6.3. PROJECT MANAGEMENT COMMITTEES. In addition to the officers

    of the corporation, the Board of Directors may, by resolution, establish

    one or more Project Management Committees consisting of at least one

    member of the Board of Directors or at least one officer of the

    corporation, who shall be designated chairman of such committee, and may

    include one or more other members of the corporation. Non-members of the

    corporation may serve on such committees by authorization of the Board

    of Directors. Unless elected or appointed as an officer in accordance

    with Sections 6.1 and 6.4 of these Bylaws, a member of a Project

    Management Committee shall not be deemed an officer of the corporation.



    Each Project Management Committee shall be responsible for the active

    management of one or more projects identified by resolution of the Board

    of Directors which may include, without limitation, the creation or

    maintenance of "open-source" software for distribution to the public at

    no charge. Subject to the direction of the Board of Directors, the

    chairman of each Project Management Committee shall be primarily

    responsible for project(s) managed by such committee, and he or she

    shall establish rules and procedures for the day to day management of

    project(s) for which the committee is responsible.



    The Board of Directors of the corporation may, by resolution, dissolve a

    Project Management Committee at any time.

Thanks,
Pat

PS. If you have any questions, please let me know.


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> Hi Pat,
>
> I just had a look at the bylaws page and couldn't find the
> project management members changes the members voted on
> earlier this year.
>
> Could you please update the official page to reflect these
> changes ?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
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>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [PSF-Members] 2010 PSF Members Election Results
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:47:21 -0400
> From: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
> To: PSF Board <psf at python.org>, PSF Members <psf-members at python.org>
>
> Election Results of the 2010 Python Software Foundation Members? Meeting
> April 3, 2010
>
>
> ...
>
> Approval of changes to the bylaws (Emeritus Status)
> ===================================================
>
>   **RESOLVED**, that the proposed January 2010 changes to the bylaws be
> accepted.
>
> Uche Ogbuji moved that in the Bylaws of the Python Software Foundation
> normally published at http://www.python.org/psf/bylaws/ be amended as
> to include a Section 4.7 that reads as:
>
>    SECTION 4.7. INVOLUNTARY CONVERSION OF MEMBERSHIP TO EMERITUS STATUS.
>    The membership of a nominated member may be converted into an emeritus
>    membership upon an affirmative vote of a two-thirds majority of the
>    members of the corporation who are present and eligible to vote at the
>    meeting, with the following restriction. Any vote for involuntary
>    conversion of membership to emeritus status must be held electronically
>    or by teleconference instead of in person, as described in Section 13.8.
>    The membership of a nominated member shall be converted into an emeritus
>    membership automatically upon failure of a nominated member to vote at
>    the last three (3) consecutive members' meetings and on any actions
>    without meeting that occurred since the first of these three meetings."
>
> And a Section 4.10 reads as:
>
>    SECTION 4.10. TERMINATION OF MEMBERSHIP. A member's membership may be
>    terminated by an affirmative vote of a two-thirds majority of the
>    members of the corporation who are present and eligible to vote at the
>    meeting, with the following restriction. Any vote for termination of
>    membership must be held electronically or by teleconference instead of
>    in person, as described in Section 13.8. A sponsor member's membership
>    shall be automatically terminated if the sponsor member's yearly fee has
>    not been paid within three (3) months of the due date."
>
> Discussion (by Uche Ogbuji):
>
>    The effect of these changes will be to make practicable the provisions
>    for terminating, or involuntarily retiring any member presumably not in
>    good standing, either for having unpaid dues or for having brought the
>    Foundation into disrepute in some way. The restriction to electronic
>    meetings is intended to ensure the broadest possible attendance, and a
>    sound quorum for discussion of such sensitive matters. We could just
>    lean on Section 3.9. Member Quorum, but I suggest that requiring a
>    qualified electronic vote will achieve the same practical aim rather
>    more simply. Furthermore, since proxy ballots count towards quorum, I
>    think section 3.9 might not be sufficient to ensure broadest
>    participation in such votes.
>
> Approved, 84-4-14
>
>
> Approval of changes to the bylaws (Committee Membership)
> ========================================================
>
>   **RESOLVED**, that the changes to the bylaws discussed by the Python
> Software
> Foundation Board in February 2010 be accepted. The purpose of this change
> is
> to allow non-members of PSF to serve on Project Management Committees at
> the
> discretion of the Board. As amended, Section 6.3 would read:
>
>    SECTION 6.3. PROJECT MANAGEMENT COMMITTEES. In addition to the officers
>    of the corporation, the Board of Directors may, by resolution, establish
>    one or more Project Management Committees consisting of at least one
>    member of the Board of Directors or at least one officer of the
>    corporation, who shall be designated chairman of such committee, and may
>    include one or more other members of the corporation. Non-members of the
>    corporation may serve on such committees by authorization of the Board
>    of Directors. Unless elected or appointed as an officer in accordance
>    with Sections 6.1 and 6.4 of these Bylaws, a member of a Project
>    Management Committee shall not be deemed an officer of the corporation.
>
>    Each Project Management Committee shall be responsible for the active
>    management of one or more projects identified by resolution of the Board
>    of Directors which may include, without limitation, the creation or
>    maintenance of "open-source" software for distribution to the public at
>    no charge. Subject to the direction of the Board of Directors, the
>    chairman of each Project Management Committee shall be primarily
>    responsible for project(s) managed by such committee, and he or she
>    shall establish rules and procedures for the day to day management of
>    project(s) for which the committee is responsible.
>
>    The Board of Directors of the corporation may, by resolution, dissolve a
>    Project Management Committee at any time.
>
> Approved, 94-1-7
>
>


-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From patcam at python.org  Thu Sep 30 20:37:38 2010
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:37:38 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF Member status changed to Emeritus: Armin Rigo
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZvveM97hfaia1JbR+s7XYmXaLT1pLk7grHPkj@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:

Could you please change the PSF member status of Armin Rigo on web page


http://www.python.org/psf/members/#nominated-members

from active member to emeritus member status?

*Please see below:*

 Nominated Members <http://www.python.org/psf/members/#id5#id5>

The year the member was elected is in parentheses.

   - Armin Rigo (2004)                                   *Remove from this
   list*


Emeritus Members <http://www.python.org/psf/members/#id6#id6>

There are 9 10 emeritus members *(year of election / year of emeritus
conversion)*:

?         Armin Rigo (2004/2010)                             *Add to this
List*

Thanks,
Pat

PS. If you have any questions, please let me know.


-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:37:38 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF Member status changed to Emeritus: Armin Rigo
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZvveM97hfaia1JbR+s7XYmXaLT1pLk7grHPkj@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:

Could you please change the PSF member status of Armin Rigo on web page


http://www.python.org/psf/members/#nominated-members

from active member to emeritus member status?

*Please see below:*

 Nominated Members <http://www.python.org/psf/members/#id5#id5>

The year the member was elected is in parentheses.

   - Armin Rigo (2004)                                   *Remove from this
   list*


Emeritus Members <http://www.python.org/psf/members/#id6#id6>

There are 9 10 emeritus members *(year of election / year of emeritus
conversion)*:

?         Armin Rigo (2004/2010)                             *Add to this
List*

Thanks,
Pat

PS. If you have any questions, please let me know.


-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From amk at amk.ca  Thu Sep 30 21:25:39 2010
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:25:39 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Bylaws update
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrz+CD_vOU4WN_+4jDDu5wDPV+ZohQ3DeRYoeB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C3B2F9E.3090601@egenix.com>
	<AANLkTimrz+CD_vOU4WN_+4jDDu5wDPV+ZohQ3DeRYoeB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100930192539.GA6784@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 02:11:15PM -0400, Pat Campbell wrote:
> Could you please make the following changes to the PSF Bylaws web page
> here:

Done.

--amk

From amk at amk.ca  Thu Sep 30 21:26:38 2010
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:26:38 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF Member status changed to Emeritus: Armin Rigo
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZvveM97hfaia1JbR+s7XYmXaLT1pLk7grHPkj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinZvveM97hfaia1JbR+s7XYmXaLT1pLk7grHPkj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100930192638.GA6917@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 02:37:38PM -0400, Pat Campbell wrote:
> Could you please change the PSF member status of Armin Rigo on web page
> from active member to emeritus member status?

Done.

--amk

From patcam at python.org  Thu Sep 30 21:45:43 2010
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:45:43 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Bylaws update
In-Reply-To: <20100930192539.GA6784@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <4C3B2F9E.3090601@egenix.com>
	<AANLkTimrz+CD_vOU4WN_+4jDDu5wDPV+ZohQ3DeRYoeB@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100930192539.GA6784@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8p3o5ZNOSqxN8JqaVUqqhv7g3F93Y1DTTwzfU@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrew.
Pat

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 02:11:15PM -0400, Pat Campbell wrote:
> > Could you please make the following changes to the PSF Bylaws web page
> > here:
>
> Done.
>
> --amk
>



-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
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From patcam at python.org  Thu Sep 30 21:46:26 2010
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:46:26 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF Member status changed to Emeritus: Armin Rigo
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Thanks Andrew.
Pat

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 02:37:38PM -0400, Pat Campbell wrote:
> > Could you please change the PSF member status of Armin Rigo on web page
> > from active member to emeritus member status?
>
> Done.
>
> --amk
>



-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
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From patcam at python.org  Thu Sep 30 23:20:55 2010
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:20:55 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from May to August 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTinqgbKhNS0KdhXCeZXjcCLcfW9VQ6H6nszLGbjR@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:

Could you please add the following board resolutions  from May
to August 2010 to this web page:

http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/

*Please see list of board resolutions to be added below:*


*May 2010 - Please add Board Resolutions*





**RESOLVED**, that we create a new officer position "Communications Officer"
to oversee the PSF communication between board, members and community. Doug
Hellmann is appointed as first PSF Communications Officer.



Approved, 10-0-0.





**RESOLVED**, that the Infrastructure Committee may contract companies
affiliated with IC members under the condition that:

   * these affiliations are publicized,

   * the respective IC member abstains from any vote regarding

      a contract with an affiliated company,

   * the IC gets at least one quote from a non-affiliated company,

      in case the expected costs exceed USD 1000 for one-time

      or USD 1000 per year for periodically billed expenditures.

   * the IC reports a summary of the decision process to the board

      for each such decision.



Approved, 10-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 750 grant to the organizers of the
PyCon Ukraine conference to be held in Kyiv, Ukraine, later this year, for
funding speaker travel expenses.



Approved, 10-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 1,000 grant to the organizers of the
SciPy 2010 Conference to be held in Austin, Texas on June 28 through July 3,
2010, for students travel expenses.



Approved, 8-0-1.





**RESOLVED**, that expense receipts and invoices for any PSF funded activity
or equipment must be sent to the PSF Treasurer within 90 days of date of
receipt or

invoice. Late filings will not be processed or refunded, unless prior
arrangements

have been made with the PSF Board, with a summary sent to psf at python.org.

Expenses in non-USD currencies will be refunded in USD at the representative


exchange rate as published by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) as-of
the date

on the receipt/invoice (
http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/data/param_rms_mth.aspx).



Approved, 10-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the board recommends Exoweb Ltd., Bejing, China, as a

pending sponsor member.



Approved, 10-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that all non-USD expenses incurred by officers or directors of
the

PSF for PyCon 2009 be reimbursed in USD based on    the representative
exchange

rate as published by the International Monetary Fund as-of May 22 2009

(http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/data/param_rms_mth.aspx).



Approved, 8-0-2.



**RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors implement the creation of a new
membership class, called "honorary associate members", as requested and
approved

by the members at the 2010 first annual PSF members meeting, by updating the


bylaws as follows:



   * Section 3.10, first paragraph, is updated to include the

     honorary associate members as non-voting member class:



     Section 3.10. Voting. Each nominated member shall be entitled to

     one vote on each matter submitted to a vote at a meeting of the

     members, except as may otherwise be provided in the General

     Corporation Law of the State of Delaware. Sponsor members that

     have appointed a representative, as described in Section 4.3,

     are also entitled to one such vote. Emeritus members and honorary

     associate members are not entitled to vote at members' meetings.



   * Section 4.1 is updated to include the new member class:



     Section 4.1. Member Classes. There are four classes of members

     of the corporation, denoted as nominated members, sponsor members,

     honorary associate members and emeritus members. References in

     these Bylaws to a "member" or to the "members" of the corporation

     shall not include any honorary associate member, emeritus member

     or sponsor member unless explicitly provided otherwise.



   * Section 4.9 is updated to include the possibility to have

     honorary associate members withdraw their membership:



     Section 4.9. Voluntary Withdrawal from Membership. Members

     (including honorary associate members and emeritus members) may

     withdraw from membership in the corporation at any time upon ten

     (10) days' written, signed notice delivered to an officer of the

     corporation.



   * a new Section 4.12 is added to defined the new membership class:



     Section 4.12. Honorary Associate Members. Honorary associate

     members have no voting rights and are not included in the

     membership count for purposes of establishing a quorum.

     Honorary associate membership shall be granted, on a yearly

     basis, in consideration of financial donation to the PSF, but

     subject to revocation by the Board of Directors. Annual

     donations sufficient for honorary associate membership shall

     initially be set at US$99, and may be revised by the Board of

     Directors from time to time. The Board or Directors may, at

     its discretion, decide to provide incidental benefits to

     honorary associate members, such as subscription to a

     newsletter, Python-branded email addresses, or printed

     promotion material such as badges, stickers, or garments.



Denied, 2-8-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the Board approves the creation of a specific "Targeted

Sprint Committee" and allocates a yearly budget of 5000    USD for the
funding

of targeted, community based sprints with Jesse Noller as the initial
Chairman,

and additional members as needed per project requirements and approved by

the board.



Approved, 9-0-1.



*June 2010 - Please add Board Resolutions*



**RESOLVED**, that the Board approves the use of up to $15,000 USD of

the PyCon 2010 profits to be used by the PyCon Chair (Van Lindberg) to

fund the rebuilding of the PyCon website and codebase, with the approval to

use an additional $5000 USD for continued support and bug fixing of the new

site for the PyCon 2011 season.



Approved, 9-1-3.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 1,000 grant to the organizers of the


PyCon India 2010 conference to be held September 2010, to fund the air
travel of

one (1) foreign delegate from the U.S. or Europe to India.



Approved, 7-0-1.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 2,000 grant to the organizers of the
EuroPython 2010 conference to be held July 2010, to fund sprint costs and
travel expenses for selected speakers who could not otherwise attend.



Approved, 7-0-1.



**RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors implement the creation of a new
membership class, called "honorary associate members", as requested and

approved by the members at the 2010 first annual PSF members meeting, as

follows:



   There are now four classes of members of the corporation, denoted as

   nominated members, sponsor members, honorary associate members and

   emeritus members. References in the bylaws to a "member" or to the

   "members" of the corporation shall not include any honorary associate

   member, emeritus member or sponsor member unless explicitly provided

   otherwise.



   Honorary associate members have no voting rights and are not included

   in the membership count for purposes of establishing a quorum.



   Honorary associate membership shall be granted, on a yearly basis, in

   consideration of financial donation to the PSF, but subject to

   revocation by the Board of Directors.



   Annual donations sufficient for honorary associate membership shall

   initially be set at US$99, and may be revised by the Board of

   Directors from time to time.



   Honorary associate members may withdraw from membership in the

   corporation at any time upon ten (10) days' written, signed notice

   delivered to an officer of the corporation.



   The Board or Directors may, at its discretion, decide to provide

   incidental benefits to honorary associate members, such as

   subscription to a newsletter, Python-branded email addresses, or

   printed promotion material such as badges, stickers, or garments.



Approved, 8-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF reimburse expenses not to exceed USD 1,500 to

allow the Chairman to attend EuroPython which is holding the first Members'

Meeting outside the United States.



Approved, 7-0-1.



*July 2010 - Please add Board Resolutions*



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 3,000 grant to Jean-Paul Calderone
for

a fully functional port of pyOpenSSL to Python 3.x with an API as similar to
the 2.x

API as possible.



Approved, 9-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 4,500 grant to work full-time for a

period of two months on Python core development as outlined in the proposal
PDF

(
http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20100614/62bbf3b8/attachment-0001.pdf
).



Approved, 9-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF donate $100 to the American Heart Association in
memory of Tim Costello, the uber- technician of CTE who recently
passed-away.



Approved, 9-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the Board reauthorize the Trademarks Committee, with a

membership consisting of Chair David Mertz, and members Marc-Andre Lemburg,

David Goodger, James Tauber, Doug Napoleone. Further resolve that the Chair

shall be authorized to appoint or remove such advisors to the committee as
s/he

sees fit, where advisors may offer advice to the committee on legal or
technical

issues but shall not vote in discussions nor count towards quorum.



Approved, 5-0-3.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a grant of US$2500 to the organizers of
the

PyCon Argentina & Python Brasil 2010 conferences to be held October 2010, to


fund the travel expenses of keynote speakers.



Approved, 9-0-0.



*August 2010 - Please add Board Resolutions*



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF support PyTexas 2010 with a grant of $750.



Approved, 12-0-1.

**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 750 grant to the organizers of the


PyCon PL 2010 conference.



Approved, 8-0-1.



**RESOLVED**, that subject to the President's approval the PSF will increase
the administrator's reimbursement by USD 400 per month.



Approved, 9-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the board recommends Werbeagentur Berlin - Eventelligence


ltd. as a pending sponsor member.



Approved, 9-0-0.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF will direct an initial $500 towards exploring the
feasability of a static PyPI (http://pypi.python.org/) mirror on a cloud
delivery

network (CDN), setup as outlined in the proposal
http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/2010-August/013056.html.

Anticipated ongoing costs will be $1944/year, subject to approval in
subsequent

Board motions.



Approved, 9-0-0.



Thanks,

Pat



PS. If you have any questions, please let me know.



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Sep 30 23:40:25 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:40:25 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from May to August 2010
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On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a USD 4,500 grant to work full-time for a
>
> period of two months on Python core development as outlined in the proposal
> PDF
>
> (http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20100614/62bbf3b8/attachment-0001.pdf).

Shouldn't the proposal be made public?


-- 
Carl K