[pydotorg-www] Making list membership public

Carl Karsten carl at personnelware.com
Sat Sep 25 22:21:24 CEST 2010

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:
>  On 25/09/2010 14:34, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Georg Brandl<georg at python.org>  wrote:
>>> Am 25.09.2010 00:40, schrieb Josh Kupershmidt:
>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, A.M. Kuchling<amk at amk.ca>  wrote:
>>>>> On python-dev, it was noted that this list...
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>>>> ... has hidden its membership (even to members). Does it really need
>>>>>> to appear that secretive? At least the message archive is open and has
>>>>>> all the usual suspects.
>>>>> Any objections to making the subscriber list public?  It seems
>>>>> harmless, especially since the archives are public anyway.
>>>> Hope I'm not misunderstanding something, but if you're proposing to
>>>> publicly make available the names/emails of everyone on this list, I
>>>> really don't see the utility. Why would anyone, other than a spammer,
>>>> need this information to be posted in this way? Yes, I know that many
>>>> folks' addresses are going to be in the archives anyway. But why make
>>>> life easier for spammers, and much worse for lurkers, whose addresses
>>>> might not be so public?
>>> Isn't it possible to make the addresses visible to members in addition
>>> to admins, but not the general public?
>>> Re. use case, someone complained we were secretive and not open enough.
>> It was me, and I will say that opening names won't help to get a better
>> image.
>> Opening pydotorg and moving all the secret stuff completely out of sight
>> will.
> Actually the suggestion to open up the member list came from Guido on
> python-dev who wanted to know who was subscribed. His use-case was knowing
> the 'team' who has an interest in website maintenance, which is the purpose
> of this list.
> All the best,
> Michael Foord

Dear Guido,

Unfortunately the list contract does not allow us to do that.

However, the information you want could be obtained if you have access
to an easy to use scripting language and some web crawling algorithms.
  Java is a good choice:  it's web-scale.

Carl K

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