From patcam at python.org  Mon Aug  1 00:10:19 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:10:19 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- June 2011
 - Please Post Online
In-Reply-To: <24035853-F5A3-48BE-836F-5CB6028CB3F3@gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4dLAQFC+Byo8QK_HYSEzm57b2SyBGVeM0TzF3CSHbDdKNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<24035853-F5A3-48BE-836F-5CB6028CB3F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dJQ8dgRyi4oFffdjmD7yzdO9eGZd6xutwjQ4sdbe2QEBg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a whole lot, Doug.

Pat

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>wrote:

> Done.
>
> On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Pat Campbell wrote:
>
> Hello Pydotorg:
>
> Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online,
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/  at the usual web
> locations:
> please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for
> June 2011.
>
> If you have any questions, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
>
>
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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug  1 14:24:15 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:24:15 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] highly suspicious inbound link from your website
 - please explain
In-Reply-To: <4293C314-F838-46F8-8488-E3B9AB1DCB02@rentscouter.com>
References: <4293C314-F838-46F8-8488-E3B9AB1DCB02@rentscouter.com>
Message-ID: <20022.39663.105474.572800@montanaro.dyndns.org>

Can someone from the website team take a look at this?  I'm not sure what a
chm file even is.  When I tried to visit that URL it killed the Chrome
process running the tab.

Thanks,

Skip

>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Hoppe <joe at rentscouter.com> writes:

    Joe> Hello,
    Joe> I have been having major reputation issues with my website and recent forensic
    Joe> research has revealed the following link(s) from your website:

    Joe> http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.4.4/python24.chm?com=guestbook&lang=ru&page
    Joe> =2690

    Joe> Utilizing the following anchor text:

    Joe> aciaman

    Joe> Can you please explain this inbound link to my website www.rentscouter.com?

    Joe> I would be especially interested if you could tell me when this link was
    Joe> created and who created it as I try and determine what is happening to my site
    Joe> with these potentially malicious links.

    Joe> I would appreciate it if any such links were immediately removed from your
    Joe> website.

    Joe> I thank you for taking the time help me in this manner and keeping your own
    Joe> website clean and safe.

    Joe> Kind regards,

    Joe> Joe Hoppe

    Joe> www.rentscouter.com


From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Aug  1 14:26:21 2011
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:26:21 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] highly suspicious inbound link from your website
	- please explain
In-Reply-To: <20022.39663.105474.572800@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <4293C314-F838-46F8-8488-E3B9AB1DCB02@rentscouter.com>
	<20022.39663.105474.572800@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <BDF1CF71-2A76-436F-834E-C19C8611764F@voidspace.org.uk>

On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:24, skip at pobox.com wrote:
> Can someone from the website team take a look at this?  I'm not sure what a
> chm file even is.  When I tried to visit that URL it killed the Chrome
> process running the tab.
> 


A chm file is a Windows help file and that link is bogus. I'm pretty sure this is spam to get us to visit rentscouter.com.

Michael Foord

> Thanks,
> 
> Skip
> 
>>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Hoppe <joe at rentscouter.com> writes:
> 
>    Joe> Hello,
>    Joe> I have been having major reputation issues with my website and recent forensic
>    Joe> research has revealed the following link(s) from your website:
> 
>    Joe> http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.4.4/python24.chm?com=guestbook&lang=ru&page
>    Joe> =2690
> 
>    Joe> Utilizing the following anchor text:
> 
>    Joe> aciaman
> 
>    Joe> Can you please explain this inbound link to my website www.rentscouter.com?
> 
>    Joe> I would be especially interested if you could tell me when this link was
>    Joe> created and who created it as I try and determine what is happening to my site
>    Joe> with these potentially malicious links.
> 
>    Joe> I would appreciate it if any such links were immediately removed from your
>    Joe> website.
> 
>    Joe> I thank you for taking the time help me in this manner and keeping your own
>    Joe> website clean and safe.
> 
>    Joe> Kind regards,
> 
>    Joe> Joe Hoppe
> 
>    Joe> www.rentscouter.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www




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From joe at rentscouter.com  Mon Aug  1 16:23:48 2011
From: joe at rentscouter.com (Joe Hoppe)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:23:48 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] highly suspicious inbound link from your website
	- please explain
In-Reply-To: <20022.39663.105474.572800@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <4293C314-F838-46F8-8488-E3B9AB1DCB02@rentscouter.com>
	<20022.39663.105474.572800@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <F3CB467E-4014-414C-A713-31ABC0FD0BDC@rentscouter.com>

Thanks Skip and Website team for looking into this issue - it appears  
someone has been building malicious links to my site.

Is there anyway you can tell when that link was created?

Thanks,

Joe Hoppe

www.rentscouter.com


On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:24 AM, skip at pobox.com wrote:

> Can someone from the website team take a look at this?  I'm not sure  
> what a
> chm file even is.  When I tried to visit that URL it killed the Chrome
> process running the tab.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Skip
>
>>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Hoppe <joe at rentscouter.com> writes:
>
>    Joe> Hello,
>    Joe> I have been having major reputation issues with my website  
> and recent forensic
>    Joe> research has revealed the following link(s) from your website:
>
>    Joe> http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.4.4/python24.chm?com=guestbook&lang=ru&page
>    Joe> =2690
>
>    Joe> Utilizing the following anchor text:
>
>    Joe> aciaman
>
>    Joe> Can you please explain this inbound link to my website www.rentscouter.com 
> ?
>
>    Joe> I would be especially interested if you could tell me when  
> this link was
>    Joe> created and who created it as I try and determine what is  
> happening to my site
>    Joe> with these potentially malicious links.
>
>    Joe> I would appreciate it if any such links were immediately  
> removed from your
>    Joe> website.
>
>    Joe> I thank you for taking the time help me in this manner and  
> keeping your own
>    Joe> website clean and safe.
>
>    Joe> Kind regards,
>
>    Joe> Joe Hoppe
>
>    Joe> www.rentscouter.com
>


From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Aug  1 23:00:58 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:00:58 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] highly suspicious inbound link from your website
 - please explain
In-Reply-To: <F3CB467E-4014-414C-A713-31ABC0FD0BDC@rentscouter.com>
References: <4293C314-F838-46F8-8488-E3B9AB1DCB02@rentscouter.com>	<20022.39663.105474.572800@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<F3CB467E-4014-414C-A713-31ABC0FD0BDC@rentscouter.com>
Message-ID: <4E37140A.5040103@v.loewis.de>

Am 01.08.2011 16:23, schrieb Joe Hoppe:
> Thanks Skip and Website team for looking into this issue - it appears
> someone has been building malicious links to my site.
> 
> Is there anyway you can tell when that link was created?

Why do you think this is a link to your web site? If I access this
link, it just downloads python24.chm, as it should; there is no
relationship to www.rentscouter.com AFAICT.

If this link was given to you as a referrer, somebody must have
been faking the referrer - the URL itself does not refer to your
site.

Regards,
Martin

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 21:25:33 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:25:33 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] changing DNS for fi.pycon.org
References: <CANHE_os18AYm_AK9BcHYn5Ev2ioe2fz8NmT-UXLp_WyGK537CA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A606DB24-18E0-4118-872C-71F6DC6F2BFA@gmail.com>

I have received a request to update the DNS entries for fi.pycon.org. I can handle the technical aspects of that change, but wanted to make sure I was doing enough to verify the identity of the person asking for the change. Do we have procedures for this sort of thing? I have suggested creating a page on the old server with a name that doesn't exist right now. Is there something else I can/should do? (Or can anyone vouch for Jyrki and let us skip this step?)

Thanks,
Doug

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Jyrki Pulliainen <taloudenhoitaja at python.fi>
> Date: August 2, 2011 3:17:14 PM EDT
> To: Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Migrating fi.pycon.org under App engine
> 
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Jyrki Pulliainen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> As mentioned to ThePSF in Twitter before, we're in process migrating
>>> fi.pycon.org under Google Apps domain. We need a few DNS changes to do
>>> it. First, we would need the TXT-entry to verify our domain to Google
>>> and then, later on, the DNS entries should be set to point in to the
>>> App engine.
>>> 
>>> How should we proceed? What would be the most convenient way for you?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Jyrki Pulliainen, Treasury of Python Finland
>> 
>> Hi, Jyrki,
>> 
>> I can help you make the DNS changes, but I don't know anything about AppEngine. If you can provide me with instructions like "Make the $R record for the domain $D have value $V" then I can do the editing.
>> 
>> Will that work?
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Yeah, that'll do the trick. I can tell you the required fields :)
> 
>> Since I don't know you (yet!), we should also do some minimal verification that you have control of the current fi.pycon.org site. Can you create a "doug.html" page and add some content? It does not need to be fancy, it will just prove that you can create a new page on that domain and reassure me that I'm not about to steal it away from the "real" owner. :-)
> 
> I totally understand! I just need to contact the previous owner and
> ask them to put the document there (last year's Python was organized
> by a local company, they handed all the domain, twitter and facebook
> stuff to us now for this year's event). I'll contact you when it's
> done, if it's ok?
> 
> Cheers,
> Jyrki


From mal at egenix.com  Tue Aug  2 23:13:55 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 23:13:55 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] changing DNS for fi.pycon.org
In-Reply-To: <A606DB24-18E0-4118-872C-71F6DC6F2BFA@gmail.com>
References: <CANHE_os18AYm_AK9BcHYn5Ev2ioe2fz8NmT-UXLp_WyGK537CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A606DB24-18E0-4118-872C-71F6DC6F2BFA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E386893.6000906@egenix.com>

Hi Doug,

please tell him to have the previous organizers send me their OK to
pass on the subdomain and to provide a new CNAME alias.
The subdomain fi.pycon.org is currently aliased to conference.syneus.fi.

Thanks.

Doug Hellmann wrote:
> I have received a request to update the DNS entries for fi.pycon.org. I can handle the technical aspects of that change, but wanted to make sure I was doing enough to verify the identity of the person asking for the change. Do we have procedures for this sort of thing? I have suggested creating a page on the old server with a name that doesn't exist right now. Is there something else I can/should do? (Or can anyone vouch for Jyrki and let us skip this step?)
> 
> Thanks,
> Doug
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Jyrki Pulliainen <taloudenhoitaja at python.fi>
>> Date: August 2, 2011 3:17:14 PM EDT
>> To: Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Migrating fi.pycon.org under App engine
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Jyrki Pulliainen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned to ThePSF in Twitter before, we're in process migrating
>>>> fi.pycon.org under Google Apps domain. We need a few DNS changes to do
>>>> it. First, we would need the TXT-entry to verify our domain to Google
>>>> and then, later on, the DNS entries should be set to point in to the
>>>> App engine.
>>>>
>>>> How should we proceed? What would be the most convenient way for you?
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Jyrki Pulliainen, Treasury of Python Finland
>>>
>>> Hi, Jyrki,
>>>
>>> I can help you make the DNS changes, but I don't know anything about AppEngine. If you can provide me with instructions like "Make the $R record for the domain $D have value $V" then I can do the editing.
>>>
>>> Will that work?
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Yeah, that'll do the trick. I can tell you the required fields :)
>>
>>> Since I don't know you (yet!), we should also do some minimal verification that you have control of the current fi.pycon.org site. Can you create a "doug.html" page and add some content? It does not need to be fancy, it will just prove that you can create a new page on that domain and reassure me that I'm not about to steal it away from the "real" owner. :-)
>>
>> I totally understand! I just need to contact the previous owner and
>> ask them to put the document there (last year's Python was organized
>> by a local company, they handed all the domain, twitter and facebook
>> stuff to us now for this year's event). I'll contact you when it's
>> done, if it's ok?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jyrki
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www

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From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 23:24:37 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:24:37 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] changing DNS for fi.pycon.org
In-Reply-To: <4E386893.6000906@egenix.com>
References: <CANHE_os18AYm_AK9BcHYn5Ev2ioe2fz8NmT-UXLp_WyGK537CA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A606DB24-18E0-4118-872C-71F6DC6F2BFA@gmail.com>
	<4E386893.6000906@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <60F87BD7-B3D3-44D4-8A73-2A083D00A1A5@gmail.com>

From what I understand, it's not just a CNAME change (they are hooking up to AppEngine).

Do you know the names of the previous organizers?

Doug

On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> 
> please tell him to have the previous organizers send me their OK to
> pass on the subdomain and to provide a new CNAME alias.
> The subdomain fi.pycon.org is currently aliased to conference.syneus.fi.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> I have received a request to update the DNS entries for fi.pycon.org. I can handle the technical aspects of that change, but wanted to make sure I was doing enough to verify the identity of the person asking for the change. Do we have procedures for this sort of thing? I have suggested creating a page on the old server with a name that doesn't exist right now. Is there something else I can/should do? (Or can anyone vouch for Jyrki and let us skip this step?)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Jyrki Pulliainen <taloudenhoitaja at python.fi>
>>> Date: August 2, 2011 3:17:14 PM EDT
>>> To: Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Migrating fi.pycon.org under App engine
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Jyrki Pulliainen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> 
>>>>> As mentioned to ThePSF in Twitter before, we're in process migrating
>>>>> fi.pycon.org under Google Apps domain. We need a few DNS changes to do
>>>>> it. First, we would need the TXT-entry to verify our domain to Google
>>>>> and then, later on, the DNS entries should be set to point in to the
>>>>> App engine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How should we proceed? What would be the most convenient way for you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Jyrki Pulliainen, Treasury of Python Finland
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Jyrki,
>>>> 
>>>> I can help you make the DNS changes, but I don't know anything about AppEngine. If you can provide me with instructions like "Make the $R record for the domain $D have value $V" then I can do the editing.
>>>> 
>>>> Will that work?
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that'll do the trick. I can tell you the required fields :)
>>> 
>>>> Since I don't know you (yet!), we should also do some minimal verification that you have control of the current fi.pycon.org site. Can you create a "doug.html" page and add some content? It does not need to be fancy, it will just prove that you can create a new page on that domain and reassure me that I'm not about to steal it away from the "real" owner. :-)
>>> 
>>> I totally understand! I just need to contact the previous owner and
>>> ask them to put the document there (last year's Python was organized
>>> by a local company, they handed all the domain, twitter and facebook
>>> stuff to us now for this year's event). I'll contact you when it's
>>> done, if it's ok?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jyrki
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 
> -- 
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> eGenix.com
> 
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>>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::
> 
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Aug  2 23:29:01 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 23:29:01 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] changing DNS for fi.pycon.org
In-Reply-To: <60F87BD7-B3D3-44D4-8A73-2A083D00A1A5@gmail.com>
References: <CANHE_os18AYm_AK9BcHYn5Ev2ioe2fz8NmT-UXLp_WyGK537CA@mail.gmail.com>	<A606DB24-18E0-4118-872C-71F6DC6F2BFA@gmail.com>	<4E386893.6000906@egenix.com>
	<60F87BD7-B3D3-44D4-8A73-2A083D00A1A5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E386C1D.9010105@egenix.com>

Doug Hellmann wrote:
> From what I understand, it's not just a CNAME change (they are hooking up to AppEngine).
> 
> Do you know the names of the previous organizers?

The website says: http://www.syneus.fi/. Just have Jyrki contact
me and I can then take from there (I manage the pycon.org domain).

BTW: I'm not sure whether AppEngine allows CNAME redirection.

Thanks.

> Doug
> 
> On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> please tell him to have the previous organizers send me their OK to
>> pass on the subdomain and to provide a new CNAME alias.
>> The subdomain fi.pycon.org is currently aliased to conference.syneus.fi.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> I have received a request to update the DNS entries for fi.pycon.org. I can handle the technical aspects of that change, but wanted to make sure I was doing enough to verify the identity of the person asking for the change. Do we have procedures for this sort of thing? I have suggested creating a page on the old server with a name that doesn't exist right now. Is there something else I can/should do? (Or can anyone vouch for Jyrki and let us skip this step?)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: Jyrki Pulliainen <taloudenhoitaja at python.fi>
>>>> Date: August 2, 2011 3:17:14 PM EDT
>>>> To: Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating fi.pycon.org under App engine
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Jyrki Pulliainen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As mentioned to ThePSF in Twitter before, we're in process migrating
>>>>>> fi.pycon.org under Google Apps domain. We need a few DNS changes to do
>>>>>> it. First, we would need the TXT-entry to verify our domain to Google
>>>>>> and then, later on, the DNS entries should be set to point in to the
>>>>>> App engine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How should we proceed? What would be the most convenient way for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Jyrki Pulliainen, Treasury of Python Finland
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Jyrki,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can help you make the DNS changes, but I don't know anything about AppEngine. If you can provide me with instructions like "Make the $R record for the domain $D have value $V" then I can do the editing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will that work?
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, that'll do the trick. I can tell you the required fields :)
>>>>
>>>>> Since I don't know you (yet!), we should also do some minimal verification that you have control of the current fi.pycon.org site. Can you create a "doug.html" page and add some content? It does not need to be fancy, it will just prove that you can create a new page on that domain and reassure me that I'm not about to steal it away from the "real" owner. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I totally understand! I just need to contact the previous owner and
>>>> ask them to put the document there (last year's Python was organized
>>>> by a local company, they handed all the domain, twitter and facebook
>>>> stuff to us now for this year's event). I'll contact you when it's
>>>> done, if it's ok?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jyrki
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>
>> -- 
>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>> eGenix.com
>>
>> Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Aug 02 2011)
>>>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::
>>
>>
>>   eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH  Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
>>    D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
>>               http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/

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From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 23:52:27 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:52:27 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] changing DNS for fi.pycon.org
In-Reply-To: <4E386C1D.9010105@egenix.com>
References: <CANHE_os18AYm_AK9BcHYn5Ev2ioe2fz8NmT-UXLp_WyGK537CA@mail.gmail.com>	<A606DB24-18E0-4118-872C-71F6DC6F2BFA@gmail.com>	<4E386893.6000906@egenix.com>
	<60F87BD7-B3D3-44D4-8A73-2A083D00A1A5@gmail.com>
	<4E386C1D.9010105@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <347E2443-3609-4BBA-80D4-73FB400D8839@gmail.com>


On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:29 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> From what I understand, it's not just a CNAME change (they are hooking up to AppEngine).
>> 
>> Do you know the names of the previous organizers?
> 
> The website says: http://www.syneus.fi/. Just have Jyrki contact
> me and I can then take from there (I manage the pycon.org domain).

Hmm, I thought it was on the XS4ALL console, but I guess not. I sent him email telling Jyrki to contact you directly.

Why are those domains managed separately?

> 
> BTW: I'm not sure whether AppEngine allows CNAME redirection.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Doug,
>>> 
>>> please tell him to have the previous organizers send me their OK to
>>> pass on the subdomain and to provide a new CNAME alias.
>>> The subdomain fi.pycon.org is currently aliased to conference.syneus.fi.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>>> I have received a request to update the DNS entries for fi.pycon.org. I can handle the technical aspects of that change, but wanted to make sure I was doing enough to verify the identity of the person asking for the change. Do we have procedures for this sort of thing? I have suggested creating a page on the old server with a name that doesn't exist right now. Is there something else I can/should do? (Or can anyone vouch for Jyrki and let us skip this step?)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Doug
>>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Jyrki Pulliainen <taloudenhoitaja at python.fi>
>>>>> Date: August 2, 2011 3:17:14 PM EDT
>>>>> To: Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating fi.pycon.org under App engine
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Jyrki Pulliainen wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As mentioned to ThePSF in Twitter before, we're in process migrating
>>>>>>> fi.pycon.org under Google Apps domain. We need a few DNS changes to do
>>>>>>> it. First, we would need the TXT-entry to verify our domain to Google
>>>>>>> and then, later on, the DNS entries should be set to point in to the
>>>>>>> App engine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How should we proceed? What would be the most convenient way for you?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Jyrki Pulliainen, Treasury of Python Finland
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi, Jyrki,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can help you make the DNS changes, but I don't know anything about AppEngine. If you can provide me with instructions like "Make the $R record for the domain $D have value $V" then I can do the editing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Will that work?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, that'll do the trick. I can tell you the required fields :)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since I don't know you (yet!), we should also do some minimal verification that you have control of the current fi.pycon.org site. Can you create a "doug.html" page and add some content? It does not need to be fancy, it will just prove that you can create a new page on that domain and reassure me that I'm not about to steal it away from the "real" owner. :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I totally understand! I just need to contact the previous owner and
>>>>> ask them to put the document there (last year's Python was organized
>>>>> by a local company, they handed all the domain, twitter and facebook
>>>>> stuff to us now for this year's event). I'll contact you when it's
>>>>> done, if it's ok?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jyrki
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>>>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>> eGenix.com
>>> 
>>> Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Aug 02 2011)
>>>>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>>>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH  Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
>>>   D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>>          Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
>>>              http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/
> 
> -- 
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> eGenix.com
> 
> Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Aug 02 2011)
>>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::
> 
> 
>   eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH  Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
>    D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
>           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
>               http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/


From mal at egenix.com  Wed Aug  3 00:20:42 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 00:20:42 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] changing DNS for fi.pycon.org
In-Reply-To: <347E2443-3609-4BBA-80D4-73FB400D8839@gmail.com>
References: <CANHE_os18AYm_AK9BcHYn5Ev2ioe2fz8NmT-UXLp_WyGK537CA@mail.gmail.com>	<A606DB24-18E0-4118-872C-71F6DC6F2BFA@gmail.com>	<4E386893.6000906@egenix.com>	<60F87BD7-B3D3-44D4-8A73-2A083D00A1A5@gmail.com>	<4E386C1D.9010105@egenix.com>
	<347E2443-3609-4BBA-80D4-73FB400D8839@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E38783A.1070303@egenix.com>

Doug Hellmann wrote:
> 
> On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:29 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>> Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> From what I understand, it's not just a CNAME change (they are hooking up to AppEngine).
>>>
>>> Do you know the names of the previous organizers?
>>
>> The website says: http://www.syneus.fi/. Just have Jyrki contact
>> me and I can then take from there (I manage the pycon.org domain).
> 
> Hmm, I thought it was on the XS4ALL console, but I guess not. I sent him email telling Jyrki to contact you directly.

Thanks.

> Why are those domains managed separately?

Because I'm the owner of the pycon.org domain and the DNS for
pycon.org is managed by eGenix.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Aug 03 2011)
>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

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From mal at egenix.com  Wed Aug  3 18:29:47 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:29:47 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [PSF-Members] Europython 2011 Massage
	Donation
In-Reply-To: <4E15B7A7.7070901@egenix.com>
References: <4E15B7A7.7070901@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <4E39777B.8080002@egenix.com>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Can we get this fixed somehow on the donations page ?
> 
> http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
> 
> If you're still using the script I wrote a long time ago,
> you'd only have to change a marshal dump file.

Thanks to whoever made the change happen :-)

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [PSF-Members] Europython 2011 Massage Donation
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:53:15 +0200
> From: Fabio Pliger <fabio.pliger at gmail.com>
> To: PSF Members List <psf-members at python.org>
> 
> One of the Europython 2011 organizers made a mistake when making the
> donation to the PSF of the fund raised by Rob Collins and his amazing Python
> Massage Team during the conference. He wrote  "Associazione Python Italia"
> instead of "Europython 2011 Sponsored Massage" as asked by Rob. We are sorry
> for that and I just wanted to point out here that the entire merit of this
> donation goes to Rob an his team. They did their job with great passion
> helping many pythonistas to have fun and relax their muscles before the
> challenging conference dinner. I would say that I'd never have managed to
> eat so much at the conference dinner without their help :)
> 
> Thanks Rob.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www

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>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

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From mal at egenix.com  Thu Aug  4 14:15:15 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:15:15 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
	Trac instance
Message-ID: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>

Hi all,

I've setup a new Trac instance for systems management and filled
the wiki with the data I could find in the public wiki and on the
mailing lists:

    https://psf.projecthut.com/trac/psfsystems/wiki

This instance is meant to be used as central source of information
for system administration and also to manage the migration to
a new infrastructure.

The information from the public wiki has been migrated to the
above Trac and will eventually be removed from the public wiki
to prevent having changes being made in two places.

I've created logins for Doug, Noah and Martin.

Anyone who is administering the servers should get access to
the Trac instance, so please email me your GPG keys so that
I can send the passwords in a separate email.

At the same time, I'd like to collect information about who
is managing which parts of the python.org infrastructure,
so please also include that information in the email.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Aug 04 2011)
>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::


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           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
               http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/

From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug  4 16:39:48 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:39:48 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
 Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <20026.44852.38770.73036@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    MAL> I've setup a new Trac instance for systems management and filled
    MAL> the wiki with the data I could find in the public wiki and on the
    MAL> mailing lists:

    MAL>     https://psf.projecthut.com/trac/psfsystems/wiki

    MAL> This instance is meant to be used as central source of information
    MAL> for system administration and also to manage the migration to a new
    MAL> infrastructure.

I can't access it.  Can you explain what aspects of the python.org
management it is supposed to cover?  For instance, I manage the SpamBayes
setup on mail.python.org.  Does the above include that info?

Skip

From rdmurray at bitdance.com  Thu Aug  4 16:57:10 2011
From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:57:10 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
	Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:15:15 +0200, "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> Anyone who is administering the servers should get access to
> the Trac instance, so please email me your GPG keys so that
> I can send the passwords in a separate email.
> 
> At the same time, I'd like to collect information about who
> is managing which parts of the python.org infrastructure,
> so please also include that information in the email.

I would suggest that you broadcast this email more widely than pydotorg,
then.  I don't follow this list closely and only happened to see this
post by accident.  The infrastructure mailing list is probably a good
candidate (I'm surprised there wasn't a posting about this there ahead
of time).  (Or did I just miss it somehow?)

I help Martin manage bugs.python.org.  Ezio Mellotti is also doing
work there, under our supervision.  I also have a root-enabled login on
Dinsdale in order to help Antoine Pitrou with the buildbot infrastructure,
but Antoine has been handling that by himself as it turns out.

I have an ssh key to log in to these systems, but no GPG key.  Will the
ssh key suffice?

--
R. David Murray           http://www.bitdance.com

From mfoord at python.org  Thu Aug  4 16:59:25 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:59:25 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
 Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
	<20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
Message-ID: <4E3AB3CD.4020304@python.org>

On 04/08/2011 15:57, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:15:15 +0200, "M.-A. Lemburg"<mal at egenix.com>  wrote:
>> Anyone who is administering the servers should get access to
>> the Trac instance, so please email me your GPG keys so that
>> I can send the passwords in a separate email.
>>
>> At the same time, I'd like to collect information about who
>> is managing which parts of the python.org infrastructure,
>> so please also include that information in the email.

I administer the Planet Python and help with website maintenance, I'm on 
the webmaster alias (in scope?) and I'm also on roto-routers. I used to 
have a login on dinsdale for website administration but my ssh key 
wasn't updated when I requested so that login no longer works.

I also have no GPG key.

Michael Foord

> I would suggest that you broadcast this email more widely than pydotorg,
> then.  I don't follow this list closely and only happened to see this
> post by accident.  The infrastructure mailing list is probably a good
> candidate (I'm surprised there wasn't a posting about this there ahead
> of time).  (Or did I just miss it somehow?)
>
> I help Martin manage bugs.python.org.  Ezio Mellotti is also doing
> work there, under our supervision.  I also have a root-enabled login on
> Dinsdale in order to help Antoine Pitrou with the buildbot infrastructure,
> but Antoine has been handling that by himself as it turns out.
>
> I have an ssh key to log in to these systems, but no GPG key.  Will the
> ssh key suffice?
>
> --
> R. David Murray           http://www.bitdance.com
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


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May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Aug  4 16:46:55 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:46:55 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
 Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <20110804144655.GA17445@panix.com>

On Thu, Aug 04, 2011, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
> I've setup a new Trac instance for systems management and filled
> the wiki with the data I could find in the public wiki and on the
> mailing lists:
> 
>     https://psf.projecthut.com/trac/psfsystems/wiki

Please make the pages publicly viewable even if edits require login.  Per
the discussion a couple of weeks ago, making information about setup
public does not compromise security.
-- 
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start writing it."  --Dijkstra

From mal at egenix.com  Thu Aug  4 17:40:18 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:40:18 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
 Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <20026.44852.38770.73036@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
	<20026.44852.38770.73036@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4E3ABD62.90301@egenix.com>

skip at pobox.com wrote:
> 
>     MAL> I've setup a new Trac instance for systems management and filled
>     MAL> the wiki with the data I could find in the public wiki and on the
>     MAL> mailing lists:
> 
>     MAL>     https://psf.projecthut.com/trac/psfsystems/wiki
> 
>     MAL> This instance is meant to be used as central source of information
>     MAL> for system administration and also to manage the migration to a new
>     MAL> infrastructure.
> 
> I can't access it.

As I wrote: I need to create user accounts for all admins.
Could you send me you GPG key ?

> Can you explain what aspects of the python.org
> management it is supposed to cover? 

It is supposed to collect all information about the servers and
their setup.

> For instance, I manage the SpamBayes
> setup on mail.python.org.  Does the above include that info?

Yes.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Aug 04 2011)
>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::


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           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
               http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/

From mal at egenix.com  Thu Aug  4 17:54:53 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:54:53 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
 Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
	<20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
Message-ID: <4E3AC0CD.5090402@egenix.com>

R. David Murray wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:15:15 +0200, "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>> Anyone who is administering the servers should get access to
>> the Trac instance, so please email me your GPG keys so that
>> I can send the passwords in a separate email.
>>
>> At the same time, I'd like to collect information about who
>> is managing which parts of the python.org infrastructure,
>> so please also include that information in the email.
> 
> I would suggest that you broadcast this email more widely than pydotorg,
> then.  I don't follow this list closely and only happened to see this
> post by accident.  The infrastructure mailing list is probably a good
> candidate (I'm surprised there wasn't a posting about this there ahead
> of time).  (Or did I just miss it somehow?)

I've sent a copy to the infrastructure list.

> I help Martin manage bugs.python.org.  Ezio Mellotti is also doing
> work there, under our supervision.  I also have a root-enabled login on
> Dinsdale in order to help Antoine Pitrou with the buildbot infrastructure,
> but Antoine has been handling that by himself as it turns out.

Thanks.

> I have an ssh key to log in to these systems, but no GPG key.  Will the
> ssh key suffice?

I just need to send you the password somehow. If nothing else works,
I can send it via plain-text email.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Aug 04 2011)
>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::


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           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
               http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/

From mal at egenix.com  Thu Aug  4 17:55:45 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:55:45 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
 Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <4E3AB3CD.4020304@python.org>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>	<20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
	<4E3AB3CD.4020304@python.org>
Message-ID: <4E3AC101.9040109@egenix.com>

Michael Foord wrote:
> On 04/08/2011 15:57, R. David Murray wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:15:15 +0200, "M.-A. Lemburg"<mal at egenix.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Anyone who is administering the servers should get access to
>>> the Trac instance, so please email me your GPG keys so that
>>> I can send the passwords in a separate email.
>>>
>>> At the same time, I'd like to collect information about who
>>> is managing which parts of the python.org infrastructure,
>>> so please also include that information in the email.
> 
> I administer the Planet Python and help with website maintenance, I'm on
> the webmaster alias (in scope?) and I'm also on roto-routers. I used to
> have a login on dinsdale for website administration but my ssh key
> wasn't updated when I requested so that login no longer works.

Thanks.

> I also have no GPG key.

I'll send the password in private email then.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
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From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 18:26:54 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:26:54 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
	Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
	<20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
Message-ID: <A31CBCC7-AACF-4B98-A53E-AA03931853CA@gmail.com>


On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:57 AM, R. David Murray wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:15:15 +0200, "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>> Anyone who is administering the servers should get access to
>> the Trac instance, so please email me your GPG keys so that
>> I can send the passwords in a separate email.
>> 
>> At the same time, I'd like to collect information about who
>> is managing which parts of the python.org infrastructure,
>> so please also include that information in the email.
> 
> I would suggest that you broadcast this email more widely than pydotorg,
> then.  I don't follow this list closely and only happened to see this
> post by accident.  The infrastructure mailing list is probably a good
> candidate (I'm surprised there wasn't a posting about this there ahead
> of time).  (Or did I just miss it somehow?)

In the interest of making sure the interested parties see all the messages related to the migration project, Noah and I agreed to use the infrastructure at python.org mailing list to communicate, for now. That gives us a single archive, and most of the interested parties are already on that list. (If/when we move the python.org mail server we may need some other list for a short time, but we'll deal with that when the time comes.)

If you are interested in participating or following the project, please join infrastructure at python.org. When we need specific information, we will contact other teams via their "native" mailing lists, or one-on-one, so don't worry about being left out if you *aren't* interesting in following the whole thing.

Thanks!
Doug


From skip at pobox.com  Thu Aug  4 20:22:47 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:22:47 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
 Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <A31CBCC7-AACF-4B98-A53E-AA03931853CA@gmail.com>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
	<20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
	<A31CBCC7-AACF-4B98-A53E-AA03931853CA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20026.58231.895281.404335@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Doug> In the interest of making sure the interested parties see all the
    Doug> messages related to the migration project, Noah and I agreed to
    Doug> use the infrastructure at python.org mailing list to communicate, for
    Doug> now. That gives us a single archive, and most of the interested
    Doug> parties are already on that list. (If/when we move the python.org
    Doug> mail server we may need some other list for a short time, but
    Doug> we'll deal with that when the time comes.)

    Doug> If you are interested in participating or following the project,
    Doug> please join infrastructure at python.org. When we need specific
    Doug> information, we will contact other teams via their "native"
    Doug> mailing lists, or one-on-one, so don't worry about being left out
    Doug> if you *aren't* interesting in following the whole thing.

Sorry, what is "the project"?  Why would pydotorg or pydotorg-www have not
been good enough to discuss website topics?

Can we please stop increasing the number of mailing lists which deal with
python.org web presence?  We've managed pretty well with a single mailing
list, python-dev, for discussing all concrete matters of Python
development.  I can't see that the web sites need more than that.

Skip

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 20:27:05 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:27:05 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Managing infrastructure information: PSF Systems
	Trac instance
In-Reply-To: <20026.58231.895281.404335@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <4E3A8D53.7040206@egenix.com>
	<20110804145711.5601A2506C6@webabinitio.net>
	<A31CBCC7-AACF-4B98-A53E-AA03931853CA@gmail.com>
	<20026.58231.895281.404335@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <3D24A1D5-EDCA-4512-9936-8C0BA4E3F1A2@gmail.com>


On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:22 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote:

> 
>    Doug> In the interest of making sure the interested parties see all the
>    Doug> messages related to the migration project, Noah and I agreed to
>    Doug> use the infrastructure at python.org mailing list to communicate, for
>    Doug> now. That gives us a single archive, and most of the interested
>    Doug> parties are already on that list. (If/when we move the python.org
>    Doug> mail server we may need some other list for a short time, but
>    Doug> we'll deal with that when the time comes.)
> 
>    Doug> If you are interested in participating or following the project,
>    Doug> please join infrastructure at python.org. When we need specific
>    Doug> information, we will contact other teams via their "native"
>    Doug> mailing lists, or one-on-one, so don't worry about being left out
>    Doug> if you *aren't* interesting in following the whole thing.
> 
> Sorry, what is "the project"?  Why would pydotorg or pydotorg-www have not
> been good enough to discuss website topics?

We are working on migrating to new hosting (either in addition to or instead of XS4ALL, to be decided). That goes beyond the web site itself, although obviously the web data is a big part of the migration.

> 
> Can we please stop increasing the number of mailing lists which deal with
> python.org web presence?  We've managed pretty well with a single mailing
> list, python-dev, for discussing all concrete matters of Python
> development.  I can't see that the web sites need more than that.
> 
> Skip


From ygingras at ygingras.net  Fri Aug  5 05:13:18 2011
From: ygingras at ygingras.net (Yannick Gingras)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 23:13:18 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?q?ConFoo_2012_=E2=80=93_Call_for_speakers?=
Message-ID: <4E3B5FCE.8060403@ygingras.net>


Hello Python.org webmasters,
  would it be possible to have the CFP of ConFoo 2012 advertised on
python.org?  Here is the text that we propose:

==============
ConFoo 2012 in Montreal: Python charmers wanted

ConFoo 2012 is looking for talk proposals:
http://confoo.ca/en/news/confoo-2012-call-for-papers-is-now-open

ConFoo is a conference on several aspects of the Web held from Feb 29th
to March 2nd in Montr?al, the host city of PyCon 2014-2015.
==============

Fell free to adapt it to match your editorial guidelines.

Sincerely,

-- 
Yannick Gingras
http://montrealpython.org ? lead organizer

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 12:34:35 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 06:34:35 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
 =?windows-1252?q?ConFoo_2012_=96_Call_for_speakers?=
In-Reply-To: <4E3B5FCE.8060403@ygingras.net>
References: <4E3B5FCE.8060403@ygingras.net>
Message-ID: <849172F6-DE41-4E33-BE02-49E0AB23FC33@gmail.com>

Done.

On Aug 4, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Yannick Gingras wrote:

> 
> Hello Python.org webmasters,
>  would it be possible to have the CFP of ConFoo 2012 advertised on
> python.org?  Here is the text that we propose:
> 
> ==============
> ConFoo 2012 in Montreal: Python charmers wanted
> 
> ConFoo 2012 is looking for talk proposals:
> http://confoo.ca/en/news/confoo-2012-call-for-papers-is-now-open
> 
> ConFoo is a conference on several aspects of the Web held from Feb 29th
> to March 2nd in Montr?al, the host city of PyCon 2014-2015.
> ==============
> 
> Fell free to adapt it to match your editorial guidelines.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> -- 
> Yannick Gingras
> http://montrealpython.org ? lead organizer
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


From ygingras at ygingras.net  Fri Aug  5 14:37:25 2011
From: ygingras at ygingras.net (Yannick Gingras)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:37:25 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
 =?utf-8?q?ConFoo_2012_=E2=80=93_Call_for_speakers?=
In-Reply-To: <849172F6-DE41-4E33-BE02-49E0AB23FC33@gmail.com>
References: <4E3B5FCE.8060403@ygingras.net>
	<849172F6-DE41-4E33-BE02-49E0AB23FC33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E3BE405.3070301@ygingras.net>

Thanks a lot!

On 11-08-05 06:34 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> Done.
> 
> On Aug 4, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Yannick Gingras wrote:
> 
>>
>> Hello Python.org webmasters,
>>  would it be possible to have the CFP of ConFoo 2012 advertised on
>> python.org?  Here is the text that we propose:


-- 
Yannick Gingras
http://ygingras.net

From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Tue Aug  9 15:29:15 2011
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:29:15 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Broken links
References: <1312887921.53262.YahooMailClassic@web25608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0B176F61-803F-40B0-BB11-0894B57432A0@voidspace.org.uk>

A list of broken lists submitted by a user.

Begin forwarded message:
> From: Morgan Apelqvist <apelqvist_morgan at yahoo.se>
> Subject: Broken links
> Date: 9 August 2011 12:05:21 GMT+01:00
> To: webmaster at python.org
> 
> Hello,
>  
> Im intrested in contributing and I found some missing pages. I append it to this email.
>  
> Regards
> Morgan Apelqvist
> Sweden




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May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
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From skip at montanaro.dyndns.org  Tue Aug  9 17:12:46 2011
From: skip at montanaro.dyndns.org (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue,  9 Aug 2011 10:12:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pydotorg-www] GuiProgramming wiki page acl
Message-ID: <20110809151246.48A691925E23@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I got tired of reverting spam on the GuiProgramming wiki page, so I added an
acl to require users to be logged in when editing it:

    #acl AdminGroup:read,write,delete,revert,admin Known:read,write All:read

The acl is probably overkill, but I wanted to make sure I didn't
accidentally lock out the admins.  Radomir, perhaps you can double-check
that and trim the acl if necessary.

Skip

From patcam at python.org  Wed Aug 10 01:17:33 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 19:17:33 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from April through June 2011 Board
	Meetings
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dLLPpSEz8zqn0P=Uqb5MGU4-fAyZ5JK+id6RF1KgV+AOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi pydotorg team:



Could you please add the following board resolutions from

the April through June 2011 board meeting to this web page:



http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/



Please see list of board resolutions to be added below:



**RESOLVED**, that Jesse Noller is appointed the office of PyCon chair

 for the years 2012 and 2013.



Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PyCon 2012/13 chair, Jesse Noller, is authorized

to sign the hotel contract for 2013 with the conference hotel as referenced
in

his email to the board on March 30.



Approved 9-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the following people be appointed as officers until the

next Board election (or their resignation).



   * **President**: Guido van Rossum

   * **Chairman**: Steve Holden

   * **Secretary**: Pat Campbell

   * **Treasurer**: Kurt Kaiser

   * **Communications**: Doug Hellmann



Approved 11-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF Board of Directors may adopt binding

resolutions between regularly scheduled full-board meetings by

email, subject to the following procedures:



 (1) Any Director may make a motion to the Board, using the published

Board mailing list address.

 (2) For a motion to pass, a "super-quorum" of 3/4 of the Directors MUST

participate in the email vote by stating 'Aye',  'Nay' or 'Abstain' to a
proposed

motion, with the vote appended  to a quoted version of the exact motion

proposed. In the case of a Board of 13 Directors, this will require 10
directors

to vote by email.

(3) For a motion to pass, an absolute majority of the whole Board MUST vote

'Aye'. In the case of a Board of 13 Directors, this will require 7 Aye
votes.

(4) Amended to: The proposing Director SHALL set a specific date and time

for expiration of a vote. The expiration date/time typically should be at
least

72 hours after the motion is proposed and shall not be less than 24 hours
after the

 motion is proposed, and may not extend past the next scheduled Board
meeting.

Votes are completed once all directors have voted even if this occurs before
the

expiration of the vote.

(5) The result of any vote conducted by email SHALL be included in the
minutes

of the next regularly scheduled Board meeting.



Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that Laura Creighton and Tarek Ziade' be awarded the 2011 -

2nd Quarter PSF Community Service Award.



Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.



 **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a grant of $1,000 US to sponsor the

 2011 Summer pyGames python based programming competition.



Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.



 **RESOLVED**, that the PSF a single server for up to USD 4000 for the

speed.python.org project. The PSF will additionally try to raise funds to be


used for additional projects/hardware via a call for sponsors.



Approved 7-0-3 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $3,000 in discretionary

spending to allow Van Lindberg to provide the monies for the final
PyCon-related expenses.



Approved 7-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a grant of $2,000 to sponsor the SciPy
2011

Conference to be held in Austin, Texas on July 11 through the 16th.



Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $1,500 to the GNOME Foundation


for the 2011 Libre Graphics Meeting to be held in Montreal.



Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $1,500 USD to sponsor the

PyArgentina Conference (requested by Juan Rodr?guez Monti).



Approved 6-0-2 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that David Mertz be appointed chairman of the Trademarks

Committee for 2011/2012.



Approved 8-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that Sean Reifschneider be appointed chairman of the

Infrastructure Committee for 2011/2012.



Approved 9-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that Jesse Noller be appointed chairman of the Sprints

Committee for 2011/2012.



Approved 8-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the reappointment of the individual members of the

Trademarks Committee, the Infrastructure Committee and the Sprints Committee


for the term 2010/2011 be delegated to the Chairman of the Board based on
the

proposals by the chairmen of the respective committees in accordance with
section

6.4 of the bylaws.



Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the 2011 Frank Willison Award be awarded to Georg

Brandl. The award was initially announced at the 2011 EuroPython Conference.




Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a USD $1,220 grant to PyLadies to support


the growth of this community, as outlined in Audrey Roy's grant proposal
PDF:

(
http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20110604/e982d484/attachment-0001.pdf)




Approved 10-0-0 by email vote, 5 June 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PyCon 2011 Chair is authorized to enter agreements,

sign contracts on behalf of the PSF and incur expenses up to a total of
$50,000 for

a specific conference, subject to prompt reporting to the Board. The limit
is waived

as soon as the budget for the specific conference has been approved by the
Board

of Directors. Thereafter the PyCon Chair is directed to inform the Board of
actual or

expected variances from the budget of $5,000 or more.



Approved 9-0-1 by email vote, 19 June 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF form an official "Outreach and Education" project


management committee with the goals of identifying key initiatives, programs
and

subjects in this domain that the PSF can assist, fund or help guide. This
committee

will make recommendations to the membership, the board and its committees
and

act as a guiding hand for the PSF in this domain. The committee will be
chaired by

David Mertz (PSF Director). The initial membership will be the following
individuals:

Gloria Jacobs (PSF Director), Jessica McKellar, Daniel Greenfeld, Audrey
Roy, Ned

Batchelder, Asheesh Laroia, Simon Law and Yannick Gingras.



Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 27 June 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the Board recognizes the efforts expended by its
Administrator,

Pat Campbell, in furthering the development of the organization and the
mission of

the Foundation.



Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 27 June 2011.


Thanks in advance for posting the above resolutions online. If you have any

questions, please let me know.



Pat


-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Aug 10 06:25:30 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 23:25:30 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Has Alex Martelli disappeared?
Message-ID: <20034.2106.900809.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org>

Mailman keeps complaining about Alex Martelli's Gmail address:

    This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

    THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

    YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

    Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:

         aleaxit at gmail.com

    Message will be retried for 5 more day(s)

I tried sending him a message via LinkedIn but have not received a
response.  Does anyone know if Alex has moved to another mail hosting
service?  Should his python.org subscriptions be canceled?

Skip

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Aug 10 09:32:48 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:32:48 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Has Alex Martelli disappeared?
In-Reply-To: <20034.2106.900809.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20034.2106.900809.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20110810073248.GH6934@charite.de>

* skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com>:
> Mailman keeps complaining about Alex Martelli's Gmail address:

Indeed it does!


> I tried sending him a message via LinkedIn but have not received a
> response.  Does anyone know if Alex has moved to another mail hosting
> service?  Should his python.org subscriptions be canceled?

I wonder why the mail is stuck WITHIN gmail!

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From thomas at python.org  Wed Aug 10 12:27:58 2011
From: thomas at python.org (Thomas Wouters)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:27:58 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Has Alex Martelli disappeared?
In-Reply-To: <20034.2106.900809.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20034.2106.900809.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <CAPdQG2p0_L00jnbXCPv-j7bWT1Dv3E+=iVGtV_zBWW8KBBDhWw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 06:25, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

> Mailman keeps complaining about Alex Martelli's Gmail address:
>
>    This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification
>
>    THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.
>
>    YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.
>
>    Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:
>
>         aleaxit at gmail.com
>
>    Message will be retried for 5 more day(s)
>
> I tried sending him a message via LinkedIn but have not received a
> response.  Does anyone know if Alex has moved to another mail hosting
> service?  Should his python.org subscriptions be canceled?
>

He may be on vacation or something. I've sent him an email on his
google.comaddress, with a link to the archive of this message.

-- 
Thomas Wouters <thomas at python.org>

Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Aug 10 15:51:15 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:51:15 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Has Alex Martelli disappeared?
In-Reply-To: <20034.2106.900809.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20034.2106.900809.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20110810135114.GA10643@panix.com>

On Tue, Aug 09, 2011, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>
> Mailman keeps complaining about Alex Martelli's Gmail address:

I'm suspicious that something is wrong at Google.  My company is using
GMail and we've been getting internal bounces.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not
start writing it."  --Dijkstra

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 00:56:15 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:56:15 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from April through June 2011
	Board Meetings
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dLLPpSEz8zqn0P=Uqb5MGU4-fAyZ5JK+id6RF1KgV+AOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4dLLPpSEz8zqn0P=Uqb5MGU4-fAyZ5JK+id6RF1KgV+AOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3DE453B-A76D-4F34-B29C-0861BFFBCD30@gmail.com>

This is done. Please review the page and make sure I didn't make any mistakes copying and pasting the text into the appropriate page.

Doug

On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Pat Campbell wrote:

> 
> Hi pydotorg team:
> 
>  
> Could you please add the following board resolutions from
> 
> the April through June 2011 board meeting to this web page:
> 
>  
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/   
> 
>  
> Please see list of board resolutions to be added below:
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that Jesse Noller is appointed the office of PyCon chair
> 
>  for the years 2012 and 2013.
> 
>  
> Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PyCon 2012/13 chair, Jesse Noller, is authorized
> 
> to sign the hotel contract for 2013 with the conference hotel as referenced in
> 
> his email to the board on March 30.
> 
>  
> Approved 9-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the following people be appointed as officers until the
> 
> next Board election (or their resignation).
> 
>    
>    * **President**: Guido van Rossum
> 
>    * **Chairman**: Steve Holden
> 
>    * **Secretary**: Pat Campbell
> 
>    * **Treasurer**: Kurt Kaiser
> 
>    * **Communications**: Doug Hellmann  
> 
>    
> Approved 11-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF Board of Directors may adopt binding
> 
> resolutions between regularly scheduled full-board meetings by
> 
> email, subject to the following procedures:
> 
>    
>  (1) Any Director may make a motion to the Board, using the published
> 
> Board mailing list address.
> 
>  (2) For a motion to pass, a "super-quorum" of 3/4 of the Directors MUST
> 
> participate in the email vote by stating 'Aye',  'Nay' or 'Abstain' to a proposed
> 
> motion, with the vote appended  to a quoted version of the exact motion
> 
> proposed. In the case of a Board of 13 Directors, this will require 10 directors
> 
> to vote by email.
> 
> (3) For a motion to pass, an absolute majority of the whole Board MUST vote
> 
> 'Aye'. In the case of a Board of 13 Directors, this will require 7 Aye votes.
> 
> (4) Amended to: The proposing Director SHALL set a specific date and time
> 
> for expiration of a vote. The expiration date/time typically should be at least
> 
> 72 hours after the motion is proposed and shall not be less than 24 hours after the
> 
>  motion is proposed, and may not extend past the next scheduled Board meeting.
> 
> Votes are completed once all directors have voted even if this occurs before the 
> 
> expiration of the vote.
> 
> (5) The result of any vote conducted by email SHALL be included in the minutes
> 
> of the next regularly scheduled Board meeting.
> 
>    
> Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that Laura Creighton and Tarek Ziade' be awarded the 2011 -
> 
> 2nd Quarter PSF Community Service Award.
> 
>  
> Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011. 
> 
>  
>  **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a grant of $1,000 US to sponsor the
> 
>  2011 Summer pyGames python based programming competition.
> 
>  
> Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
> 
>  
>  **RESOLVED**, that the PSF a single server for up to USD 4000 for the
> 
> speed.python.org project. The PSF will additionally try to raise funds to be
> 
> used for additional projects/hardware via a call for sponsors.
> 
>    
> Approved 7-0-3 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $3,000 in discretionary
> 
> spending to allow Van Lindberg to provide the monies for the final PyCon-related expenses.
> 
>    
> Approved 7-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a grant of $2,000 to sponsor the SciPy 2011 
> 
> Conference to be held in Austin, Texas on July 11 through the 16th.
> 
>    
> Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $1,500 to the GNOME Foundation
> 
> for the 2011 Libre Graphics Meeting to be held in Montreal.
> 
>  
> Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $1,500 USD to sponsor the 
> 
> PyArgentina Conference (requested by Juan Rodr?guez Monti).
> 
>    
> Approved 6-0-2 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that David Mertz be appointed chairman of the Trademarks
> 
> Committee for 2011/2012.
> 
>    
> Approved 8-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that Sean Reifschneider be appointed chairman of the
> 
> Infrastructure Committee for 2011/2012.
> 
>    
> Approved 9-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that Jesse Noller be appointed chairman of the Sprints
> 
> Committee for 2011/2012.
> 
>    
> Approved 8-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the reappointment of the individual members of the
> 
> Trademarks Committee, the Infrastructure Committee and the Sprints Committee
> 
> for the term 2010/2011 be delegated to the Chairman of the Board based on the
> 
> proposals by the chairmen of the respective committees in accordance with section
> 
> 6.4 of the bylaws.
> 
>    
> Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the 2011 Frank Willison Award be awarded to Georg
> 
> Brandl. The award was initially announced at the 2011 EuroPython Conference.  
> 
>  
> Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a USD $1,220 grant to PyLadies to support
> 
> the growth of this community, as outlined in Audrey Roy's grant proposal PDF:
> 
> (http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20110604/e982d484/attachment-0001.pdf)
> 
>    
> Approved 10-0-0 by email vote, 5 June 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PyCon 2011 Chair is authorized to enter agreements,
> 
> sign contracts on behalf of the PSF and incur expenses up to a total of $50,000 for
> 
> a specific conference, subject to prompt reporting to the Board. The limit is waived
> 
> as soon as the budget for the specific conference has been approved by the Board 
> 
> of Directors. Thereafter the PyCon Chair is directed to inform the Board of actual or 
> 
> expected variances from the budget of $5,000 or more.
> 
>    
> Approved 9-0-1 by email vote, 19 June 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF form an official "Outreach and Education" project 
> 
> management committee with the goals of identifying key initiatives, programs and 
> 
> subjects in this domain that the PSF can assist, fund or help guide. This committee
> 
> will make recommendations to the membership, the board and its committees and
> 
> act as a guiding hand for the PSF in this domain. The committee will be chaired by
> 
> David Mertz (PSF Director). The initial membership will be the following individuals: 
> 
> Gloria Jacobs (PSF Director), Jessica McKellar, Daniel Greenfeld, Audrey Roy, Ned 
> 
> Batchelder, Asheesh Laroia, Simon Law and Yannick Gingras.
> 
>    
> Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 27 June 2011.
> 
>  
> **RESOLVED**, that the Board recognizes the efforts expended by its Administrator,
> 
> Pat Campbell, in furthering the development of the organization and the mission of 
> 
> the Foundation.
> 
>    
> Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 27 June 2011.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance for posting the above resolutions online. If you have any 
> questions, please let me know. 
>  
> Pat
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www

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From yaobo at gmx.com  Tue Aug 16 12:06:20 2011
From: yaobo at gmx.com (yao bo)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:06:20 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] translate
Message-ID: <20110816100623.115770@gmx.com>

I'd like to translate the website into chinese,then how should I do?
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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 16 21:55:43 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:55:43 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI delete request
Message-ID: <20042.52031.225931.482942@montanaro.dyndns.org>

FYI.

Skip

>>>>> "AlannY" == AlannY  <m at alanny.ru> writes:

    AlannY> Please, delete my PyPi account. I'm not using PyPi, no data. I registered long ago and, seems, by accident.
    AlannY> Login: AlannY
    AlannY> Email: m at alanny.ru

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Aug 16 21:59:25 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:59:25 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI delete request
In-Reply-To: <20042.52031.225931.482942@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20042.52031.225931.482942@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20042.52253.853125.567681@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    skip> FYI.

Also opened a case on SF (forgot that's how the PyPI folks like things):

    https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3392683&group_id=66150&atid=513503

S

    skip> Skip

>>>>> "AlannY" == AlannY  <m at alanny.ru> writes:

    AlannY> Please, delete my PyPi account. I'm not using PyPi, no data. I registered long ago and, seems, by accident.
    AlannY> Login: AlannY
    AlannY> Email: m at alanny.ru
    skip> _______________________________________________
    skip> pydotorg-www mailing list
    skip> pydotorg-www at python.org
    skip> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www

From patcam at python.org  Wed Aug 17 00:52:58 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:52:58 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- July 2011 -
	Please Post Online
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dL_o5WyOgJwJTrEZ_3wzNA8Evb1qX3OeuuADU2XvmAdGw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Pydotorg:

Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online,
http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/  at the usual web
locations:
please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for
July 2011.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Pat

-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From patcam at python.org  Wed Aug 17 01:09:25 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:09:25 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from April through June 2011
 Board Meetings
In-Reply-To: <C3DE453B-A76D-4F34-B29C-0861BFFBCD30@gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4dLLPpSEz8zqn0P=Uqb5MGU4-fAyZ5JK+id6RF1KgV+AOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3DE453B-A76D-4F34-B29C-0861BFFBCD30@gmail.com>
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Doug:

Looks great!

Thanks a whole bunch,
Pat

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is done. Please review the page and make sure I didn't make any
> mistakes copying and pasting the text into the appropriate page.
>
> Doug
>
> On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Pat Campbell wrote:
>
>
> Hi pydotorg team:
>
>
> Could you please add the following board resolutions from
>
> the April through June 2011 board meeting to this web page:
>
>
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/
>
>
> Please see list of board resolutions to be added below:
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that Jesse Noller is appointed the office of PyCon chair
>
>  for the years 2012 and 2013.
>
>
> Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PyCon 2012/13 chair, Jesse Noller, is authorized
>
> to sign the hotel contract for 2013 with the conference hotel as referenced
> in
>
> his email to the board on March 30.
>
>
> Approved 9-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the following people be appointed as officers until the
>
> next Board election (or their resignation).
>
>
>    * **President**: Guido van Rossum
>
>    * **Chairman**: Steve Holden
>
>    * **Secretary**: Pat Campbell
>
>    * **Treasurer**: Kurt Kaiser
>
>    * **Communications**: Doug Hellmann
>
>
> Approved 11-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF Board of Directors may adopt binding
>
> resolutions between regularly scheduled full-board meetings by
>
> email, subject to the following procedures:
>
>
>  (1) Any Director may make a motion to the Board, using the published
>
> Board mailing list address.
>
>  (2) For a motion to pass, a "super-quorum" of 3/4 of the Directors MUST
>
> participate in the email vote by stating 'Aye',  'Nay' or 'Abstain' to a
> proposed
>
> motion, with the vote appended  to a quoted version of the exact motion
>
> proposed. In the case of a Board of 13 Directors, this will require 10
> directors
>
> to vote by email.
>
> (3) For a motion to pass, an absolute majority of the whole Board MUST vote
>
>
> 'Aye'. In the case of a Board of 13 Directors, this will require 7 Aye
> votes.
>
> (4) Amended to: The proposing Director SHALL set a specific date and time
>
> for expiration of a vote. The expiration date/time typically should be at
> least
>
> 72 hours after the motion is proposed and shall not be less than 24 hours
> after the
>
>  motion is proposed, and may not extend past the next scheduled Board
> meeting.
>
> Votes are completed once all directors have voted even if this occurs
> before the
>
> expiration of the vote.
>
> (5) The result of any vote conducted by email SHALL be included in the
> minutes
>
> of the next regularly scheduled Board meeting.
>
>
> Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that Laura Creighton and Tarek Ziade' be awarded the 2011 -
>
> 2nd Quarter PSF Community Service Award.
>
>
> Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
>
>
>  **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a grant of $1,000 US to sponsor the
>
>  2011 Summer pyGames python based programming competition.
>
>
> Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
>
>
>  **RESOLVED**, that the PSF a single server for up to USD 4000 for the
>
> speed.python.org project. The PSF will additionally try to raise funds to
> be
>
> used for additional projects/hardware via a call for sponsors.
>
>
> Approved 7-0-3 by IRC vote, 18 April 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $3,000 in discretionary
>
> spending to allow Van Lindberg to provide the monies for the final
> PyCon-related expenses.
>
>
> Approved 7-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a grant of $2,000 to sponsor the SciPy
> 2011
>
> Conference to be held in Austin, Texas on July 11 through the 16th.
>
>
> Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $1,500 to the GNOME
> Foundation
>
> for the 2011 Libre Graphics Meeting to be held in Montreal.
>
>
> Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide funding of $1,500 USD to sponsor the
>
> PyArgentina Conference (requested by Juan Rodr?guez Monti).
>
>
> Approved 6-0-2 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that David Mertz be appointed chairman of the Trademarks
>
> Committee for 2011/2012.
>
>
> Approved 8-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that Sean Reifschneider be appointed chairman of the
>
> Infrastructure Committee for 2011/2012.
>
>
> Approved 9-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that Jesse Noller be appointed chairman of the Sprints
>
> Committee for 2011/2012.
>
>
> Approved 8-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the reappointment of the individual members of the
>
> Trademarks Committee, the Infrastructure Committee and the Sprints
> Committee
>
> for the term 2010/2011 be delegated to the Chairman of the Board based on
> the
>
> proposals by the chairmen of the respective committees in accordance with
> section
>
> 6.4 of the bylaws.
>
>
> Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the 2011 Frank Willison Award be awarded to Georg
>
> Brandl. The award was initially announced at the 2011 EuroPython
> Conference.
>
>
> Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 16 May 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a USD $1,220 grant to PyLadies to
> support
>
> the growth of this community, as outlined in Audrey Roy's grant proposal
> PDF:
>
> (
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20110604/e982d484/attachment-0001.pdf)
>
>
>
> Approved 10-0-0 by email vote, 5 June 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PyCon 2011 Chair is authorized to enter agreements,
>
> sign contracts on behalf of the PSF and incur expenses up to a total of
> $50,000 for
>
> a specific conference, subject to prompt reporting to the Board. The limit
> is waived
>
> as soon as the budget for the specific conference has been approved by the
> Board
>
> of Directors. Thereafter the PyCon Chair is directed to inform the Board of
> actual or
>
> expected variances from the budget of $5,000 or more.
>
>
> Approved 9-0-1 by email vote, 19 June 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the PSF form an official "Outreach and Education"
> project
>
> management committee with the goals of identifying key initiatives,
> programs and
>
> subjects in this domain that the PSF can assist, fund or help guide. This
> committee
>
> will make recommendations to the membership, the board and its committees
> and
>
> act as a guiding hand for the PSF in this domain. The committee will be
> chaired by
>
> David Mertz (PSF Director). The initial membership will be the following
> individuals:
>
> Gloria Jacobs (PSF Director), Jessica McKellar, Daniel Greenfeld, Audrey
> Roy, Ned
>
> Batchelder, Asheesh Laroia, Simon Law and Yannick Gingras.
>
>
> Approved 7-0-1 by IRC vote, 27 June 2011.
>
>
> **RESOLVED**, that the Board recognizes the efforts expended by its
> Administrator,
>
> Pat Campbell, in furthering the development of the organization and the
> mission of
>
> the Foundation.
>
>
> Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 27 June 2011.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for posting the above resolutions online. If you have
> any
> questions, please let me know.
>
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
>


-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Aug 19 16:23:17 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:23:17 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Chinese Beginner's Guide to Python
Message-ID: <20046.29141.243039.798603@montanaro.dyndns.org>


User catinsunshine has twice now replaced the Beginner's Guide to Python
wiki page:

    http://wiki.python.org/moin/Beginner%27s%20Guide%20to%20Python

with a Chinese translation.  The first time I simply reverted it.  This time
I left it as-is and sent him an email telling him how to do things properly
(create a second page containing his translation and reference it from the
above page and the ChineseLanguage page).  If I don't see that the page has
been properly done in the next couple days, I'll revert things again and
block his user.

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Aug 21 19:24:00 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:24:00 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Chinese Beginner's Guide to Python
In-Reply-To: <20046.29141.243039.798603@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20046.29141.243039.798603@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20110821172400.GA22201@panix.com>

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011, skip at pobox.com wrote:
> 
> User catinsunshine has twice now replaced the Beginner's Guide to Python
> wiki page:
> 
>     http://wiki.python.org/moin/Beginner%27s%20Guide%20to%20Python
> 
> with a Chinese translation.  The first time I simply reverted it.  This time
> I left it as-is and sent him an email telling him how to do things properly
> (create a second page containing his translation and reference it from the
> above page and the ChineseLanguage page).  If I don't see that the page has
> been properly done in the next couple days, I'll revert things again and
> block his user.

Thanks!
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not
start writing it."  --Dijkstra

From skip at pobox.com  Sun Aug 21 20:55:53 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:55:53 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Chinese Beginner's Guide to Python
In-Reply-To: <20110821172400.GA22201@panix.com>
References: <20046.29141.243039.798603@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20110821172400.GA22201@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20049.21689.783456.507346@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    >> User catinsunshine has twice now replaced the Beginner's Guide to Python
    >> wiki page:
    >> 
    >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/Beginner%27s%20Guide%20to%20Python
    >> 
    >> with a Chinese translation.  The first time I simply reverted it.
    >> This time I left it as-is and sent him an email telling him how to do
    >> things properly (create a second page containing his translation and
    >> reference it from the above page and the ChineseLanguage page).  If I
    >> don't see that the page has been properly done in the next couple
    >> days, I'll revert things again and block his user.

(cc'ing Carl Trachte since he's done much of the management of the
non-English pages in the wiki, and catinsunshine, the translator.)

Took me awhile to figure things out, but here's what catinsunshine did:

   * Copied the BeginnersGuide page to Beginner's Guide to Python
   * Translated that

So, it turns out he was technically okay, but there was no indication in the
page name that it was a Chinese translation of the original BeginnersGuide
page.  I just renamed it to BeginnersGuideChinese and added appropriate
links.

We should probably try and wrangle up some people who will keep the various
Chinese language resources in shape.  Any ideas?

Skip

From ctrachte at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 21:24:20 2011
From: ctrachte at gmail.com (Carl Trachte)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:24:20 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Chinese Beginner's Guide to Python
In-Reply-To: <20049.21689.783456.507346@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20046.29141.243039.798603@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20110821172400.GA22201@panix.com>
	<20049.21689.783456.507346@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <CANQhDm7RC6ZFwooyNcSz629gTL0ieZ6PYnEYG6gDkYTfkN+cSw@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/21/11, skip at pobox.com <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>     >> User catinsunshine has twice now replaced the Beginner's Guide to
> Python
>     >> wiki page:
>     >>
>     >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/Beginner%27s%20Guide%20to%20Python
>     >>
>     >> with a Chinese translation.  The first time I simply reverted it.
>     >> This time I left it as-is and sent him an email telling him how to do
>     >> things properly (create a second page containing his translation and
>     >> reference it from the above page and the ChineseLanguage page).  If I
>     >> don't see that the page has been properly done in the next couple
>     >> days, I'll revert things again and block his user.
>
> (cc'ing Carl Trachte since he's done much of the management of the
> non-English pages in the wiki, and catinsunshine, the translator.)
>
> Took me awhile to figure things out, but here's what catinsunshine did:
>
>    * Copied the BeginnersGuide page to Beginner's Guide to Python
>    * Translated that
>
> So, it turns out he was technically okay, but there was no indication in the
> page name that it was a Chinese translation of the original BeginnersGuide
> page.  I just renamed it to BeginnersGuideChinese and added appropriate
> links.
>
> We should probably try and wrangle up some people who will keep the various
> Chinese language resources in shape.  Any ideas?
>
> Skip
>

Thanks, Skip, for dealing with this.  I don't have any ideas off the
top of my head.

Carl T.

From catinsunshine at 163.com  Mon Aug 22 10:53:08 2011
From: catinsunshine at 163.com (catinsunshine)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:53:08 +0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?5Zue5aSNOiAgUmU6ICBDaGluZXNlIEJlZ2lubmVy?=
	=?utf-8?q?=27s_Guide_to_Python?=
Message-ID: <659ace7a.534f0.131f0b0e780.Coremail.catinsunshine@163.com>

Dear All,

Sorry for the confusion for the improper edit. Will study the Wiki help doc to avoid in the future before proceed. TKS


2011-08-22



catinsunshine



???: skip at pobox.com
????: 2011-08-22 02:56
? ?: Re: [pydotorg-www] Chinese Beginner's Guide to Python
???: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
? ?: pydotorg-www at python.org, ctrachte at gmail.com, catinsunshine at 163.com





    >> User catinsunshine has twice now replaced the Beginner's Guide to Python 
    >> wiki page: 
    >>  
    >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/Beginner%27s%20Guide%20to%20Python 
    >>  
    >> with a Chinese translation.  The first time I simply reverted it. 
    >> This time I left it as-is and sent him an email telling him how to do 
    >> things properly (create a second page containing his translation and 
    >> reference it from the above page and the ChineseLanguage page).  If I 
    >> don't see that the page has been properly done in the next couple 
    >> days, I'll revert things again and block his user. 

(cc'ing Carl Trachte since he's done much of the management of the 
non-English pages in the wiki, and catinsunshine, the translator.) 

Took me awhile to figure things out, but here's what catinsunshine did: 

   * Copied the BeginnersGuide page to Beginner's Guide to Python 
   * Translated that 

So, it turns out he was technically okay, but there was no indication in the 
page name that it was a Chinese translation of the original BeginnersGuide 
page.  I just renamed it to BeginnersGuideChinese and added appropriate 
links. 

We should probably try and wrangle up some people who will keep the various 
Chinese language resources in shape.  Any ideas? 

Skip 
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From doug at hellfly.net  Tue Aug 23 14:43:24 2011
From: doug at hellfly.net (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:43:24 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- July 2011
	- Please Post Online
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dL_o5WyOgJwJTrEZ_3wzNA8Evb1qX3OeuuADU2XvmAdGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4dL_o5WyOgJwJTrEZ_3wzNA8Evb1qX3OeuuADU2XvmAdGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1283CA0-5A49-4D14-BBB5-801EB291349D@hellfly.net>

Done

On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Pat Campbell wrote:

> Hello Pydotorg: 
>  
> Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, 
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/  at the usual web locations:
> please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for 
> July 2011.
>  
> If you have any questions, please let me know.
>  
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
> -- 
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> <Brd Min-July 18 -'11-approved.txt>_______________________________________________
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From patcam at python.org  Tue Aug 23 19:22:56 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:22:56 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- July 2011
 - Please Post Online
In-Reply-To: <C1283CA0-5A49-4D14-BBB5-801EB291349D@hellfly.net>
References: <CAFy_4dL_o5WyOgJwJTrEZ_3wzNA8Evb1qX3OeuuADU2XvmAdGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<C1283CA0-5A49-4D14-BBB5-801EB291349D@hellfly.net>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dLKC8X4v=-Ev43erqZ2SqB1DZo6Q4gEdHyTEO7tUaOS6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Doug:

You are the best!!

Thanks,
Pat

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Doug Hellmann <doug at hellfly.net> wrote:

> Done
>
> On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Pat Campbell wrote:
>
> Hello Pydotorg:
>
> Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online,
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/  at the usual web
> locations:
> please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for
> July 2011.
>
> If you have any questions, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> <Brd Min-July 18 -'11-approved.txt>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
>


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From sandro.tosi at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 23:52:26 2011
From: sandro.tosi at gmail.com (Sandro Tosi)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:52:26 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [docs] Doc link incorrect
In-Reply-To: <4E531CBD.4030109@terranne.com>
References: <4E531CBD.4030109@terranne.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdtAj3U_VbQibP7Tbt0Xb_HMZY7RbEBrkVf149PhG7rTeqhdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
thanks for your email.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 05:21, T.Hill <mudge911 at terranne.com> wrote:
> Found a link that needs to be corrected...
> On page:
> http://docs.python.org/release/2.6/download
>
> The PLAIN TEXT (zipped) link is:
> http://docs.python.org/ftp/python/doc/2.6/python-2.6-docs-pdf-text.zip
>
> Should be changed to:
> http://docs.python.org/ftp/python/doc/2.6/python-2.6-docs-text.zip
>
> Note: Removed "-pdf" before "-text".
>
> Thanks for the documentation...
> Cal

I'm adding -www team in the loop, since I was suggested to contact
them to fix those link: Dear WWW team, the links to fix are the "Plain
Text" ones (both) removing -pdf from the path.

Thanks & Cheers,
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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Aug 29 15:59:31 2011
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:59:31 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: change to http://www.python.org/psf/members/
References: <201108281140.p7SBedjK013889@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <B0F29C23-716F-4110-8CD3-AF42990BAD73@voidspace.org.uk>

Begin forwarded message:
> From: Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>
> Subject: change to http://www.python.org/psf/members/
> Date: 28 August 2011 12:40:39 GMT+01:00
> To: webmaster at python.org
> Cc: lac at openend.se
> 
> 
> Can you please change 
> Strakt Holdings, Inc., since July 2002, represented by Laura Creighton
> to
> Open End AB, (formerly AB Strakt)., since July 2002, represented by Laura Creighton
> and make the link point to http://www.eutaxia.eu/
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> It's ok with the board, I checked.
> 
> Laura
> 
> ------- Forwarded Message
> 
> Replied: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:36:48 +0200
> Replied: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
> Replied: Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>
> Replied: psf-board at python.org
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> Subject: Re: [PSF-Board] any objections to changing
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> From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 04:15:25 -0700
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> To: Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084)
> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded STARTTLS authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.7 (theraft.openend.se [83.140.78.130]); Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:15:38 +0200 (CEST)
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> No objections here.
> 
> S
> 
> On Aug 28, 2011, at 12:42 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
> 
>> http://www.python.org/psf/members/
>> so that the name 'Strakt Holdings' is replaced with 'Open End AB (formerly
>> Strakt AB) ? We never changed the name of the holding company when we
>> changed the name Strakt to Open End, but it's not the Holding Company
>> that needs  the visibility.  And it would look good in a proposal I am 
>> writing to the Swedish government right now, where I need to demonstrate
>> the Open End has an 'international presence'.  The logo on 
>> http://www.python.org/psf/#psf-sponsor-members is very nice, but the
>> 'since 2002' is important to them as well.  
>> 
>> Laura
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> PSF-Board mailing list
>> PSF-Board at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-board
> 
> - -- 
> Steve Holden
> steve at holdenweb.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - --Apple-Mail-21--932006960
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Content-Type: text/html;
> 	charset=us-ascii
> 
> <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
> - -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">No =
> objections here.<div><br></div><div>S</div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 28, =
> 2011, at 12:42 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:</div><br =
> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><a =
> href=3D"http://www.python.org/psf/members/">http://www.python.org/psf/memb=
> ers/</a><br>so that the name 'Strakt Holdings' is replaced with 'Open =
> End AB (formerly<br>Strakt AB) ? We never changed the name of the =
> holding company when we<br>changed the name Strakt to Open End, but it's =
> not the Holding Company<br>that needs &nbsp;the visibility. &nbsp;And it =
> would look good in a proposal I am <br>writing to the Swedish government =
> right now, where I need to demonstrate<br>the Open End has an =
> 'international presence'. &nbsp;The logo on =
> <br>http://www.python.org/psf/#psf-sponsor-members is very nice, but =
> the<br>'since 2002' is important to them as well. =
> &nbsp;<br><br>Laura<br><br>_______________________________________________=
> <br>PSF-Board mailing =
> list<br>PSF-Board at python.org<br>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ps=
> f-board<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Tue Aug 30 15:28:00 2011
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:28:00 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering
References: <F9AC34C2-6343-435B-BA8C-56356F28C90B@VR.ORG>
Message-ID: <0B71FD2D-FF12-4A5D-9B27-EC3692B0569C@voidspace.org.uk>

Begin forwarded message:
> From: Mark Mahle <mm at VR.ORG>
> Subject: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering 
> Date: 30 August 2011 13:19:54 GMT+01:00
> To: noc at xs4all.nl
> Cc: peering at xs4all.nl, Owen Delong <owen at delong.com>, webmaster at python.org, gert at Space.Net, dang at goscomb.net
> 
> Hello XS4All Noc,
> 
> We are Host Virtual, a cloud provider that provides dual-stack IPv4+IPv6 services worldwide in 10 locations via AS36236 and AS42210.
> 
> It has come to our attention that customers in any of our three EU locations, using our RIPE assigned ip space (2a00:dd80::/32) are unable to access the XS4all network, including sites such as www.python.org. We announce at a minimum, a /48 from each location as per generally accepted standards for IPv6 routability.
> 
> In previous communication with our peers, we've learned that XS4ALL filters its IPv6 traffic based on the strict case at http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html published by Gert D?ring. 
> 
> While we understand and appreciate there has been much discussion on the topic we feel this type of strict filtering, based on rules published and not updated over 3 years ago are now negatively impacting both XS4ALL's own customers, and the end users of high profile sites such as www.python.org.
> 
> Being a supporter of many open source projects ourselves, and a strong supporter of moving IPv6 forward we appeal to you to review this policy. With IPv6 adoption now accelerating it's in all of our best interests to ensure IPv6 routability.
> 
> I appreciate your attention and review of this policy and have included relevant parties on the CC.
> 
> Thanks
> Mark
> 
> --
> Mark Mahle
> +1-877-HOSTED7 x201 :: http://www.hostvirtual.com
> 




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From p at python.org  Tue Aug 30 15:35:07 2011
From: p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:35:07 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering
In-Reply-To: <0B71FD2D-FF12-4A5D-9B27-EC3692B0569C@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <F9AC34C2-6343-435B-BA8C-56356F28C90B@VR.ORG>
	<0B71FD2D-FF12-4A5D-9B27-EC3692B0569C@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20110830133507.GI9755@state-of-mind.de>

I live next to Gert. Should I go over and "shake his hands"? ;)

But seriously, this seems to be a problem introduced by XS4all. Is there
anything we can/should do about?

p at rick




* Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk>:
> Begin forwarded message:
> > From: Mark Mahle <mm at VR.ORG>
> > Subject: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering 
> > Date: 30 August 2011 13:19:54 GMT+01:00
> > To: noc at xs4all.nl
> > Cc: peering at xs4all.nl, Owen Delong <owen at delong.com>, webmaster at python.org, gert at Space.Net, dang at goscomb.net
> > 
> > Hello XS4All Noc,
> > 
> > We are Host Virtual, a cloud provider that provides dual-stack IPv4+IPv6 services worldwide in 10 locations via AS36236 and AS42210.
> > 
> > It has come to our attention that customers in any of our three EU locations, using our RIPE assigned ip space (2a00:dd80::/32) are unable to access the XS4all network, including sites such as www.python.org. We announce at a minimum, a /48 from each location as per generally accepted standards for IPv6 routability.
> > 
> > In previous communication with our peers, we've learned that XS4ALL filters its IPv6 traffic based on the strict case at http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html published by Gert D?ring. 
> > 
> > While we understand and appreciate there has been much discussion on the topic we feel this type of strict filtering, based on rules published and not updated over 3 years ago are now negatively impacting both XS4ALL's own customers, and the end users of high profile sites such as www.python.org.
> > 
> > Being a supporter of many open source projects ourselves, and a strong supporter of moving IPv6 forward we appeal to you to review this policy. With IPv6 adoption now accelerating it's in all of our best interests to ensure IPv6 routability.
> > 
> > I appreciate your attention and review of this policy and have included relevant parties on the CC.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Mark
> > 
> > --
> > Mark Mahle
> > +1-877-HOSTED7 x201 :: http://www.hostvirtual.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> 
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From mfoord at python.org  Tue Aug 30 16:30:00 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:30:00 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering
In-Reply-To: <20110830133507.GI9755@state-of-mind.de>
References: <F9AC34C2-6343-435B-BA8C-56356F28C90B@VR.ORG>
	<0B71FD2D-FF12-4A5D-9B27-EC3692B0569C@voidspace.org.uk>
	<20110830133507.GI9755@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <4E5CF3E8.2050102@python.org>

On 30/08/2011 14:35, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> I live next to Gert. Should I go over and "shake his hands"? ;)
>
> But seriously, this seems to be a problem introduced by XS4all. Is there
> anything we can/should do about?

I have no idea :-)

The email came in to webmaster at python.org so I thought it should be sent 
to this list, so that someone who understood it could decide whether or 
not it needed our input.

All the best,

Michael Foord

>
> p at rick
>
>
>
>
> * Michael Foord<michael at voidspace.org.uk>:
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: Mark Mahle<mm at VR.ORG>
>>> Subject: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering
>>> Date: 30 August 2011 13:19:54 GMT+01:00
>>> To: noc at xs4all.nl
>>> Cc: peering at xs4all.nl, Owen Delong<owen at delong.com>, webmaster at python.org, gert at Space.Net, dang at goscomb.net
>>>
>>> Hello XS4All Noc,
>>>
>>> We are Host Virtual, a cloud provider that provides dual-stack IPv4+IPv6 services worldwide in 10 locations via AS36236 and AS42210.
>>>
>>> It has come to our attention that customers in any of our three EU locations, using our RIPE assigned ip space (2a00:dd80::/32) are unable to access the XS4all network, including sites such as www.python.org. We announce at a minimum, a /48 from each location as per generally accepted standards for IPv6 routability.
>>>
>>> In previous communication with our peers, we've learned that XS4ALL filters its IPv6 traffic based on the strict case at http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html published by Gert D?ring.
>>>
>>> While we understand and appreciate there has been much discussion on the topic we feel this type of strict filtering, based on rules published and not updated over 3 years ago are now negatively impacting both XS4ALL's own customers, and the end users of high profile sites such as www.python.org.
>>>
>>> Being a supporter of many open source projects ourselves, and a strong supporter of moving IPv6 forward we appeal to you to review this policy. With IPv6 adoption now accelerating it's in all of our best interests to ensure IPv6 routability.
>>>
>>> I appreciate your attention and review of this policy and have included relevant parties on the CC.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Mahle
>>> +1-877-HOSTED7 x201 :: http://www.hostvirtual.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>>
>> May you do good and not evil
>> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
>> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
>> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>


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From thomas at python.org  Tue Aug 30 16:48:34 2011
From: thomas at python.org (Thomas Wouters)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:48:34 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering
In-Reply-To: <4E5CF3E8.2050102@python.org>
References: <F9AC34C2-6343-435B-BA8C-56356F28C90B@VR.ORG>
	<0B71FD2D-FF12-4A5D-9B27-EC3692B0569C@voidspace.org.uk>
	<20110830133507.GI9755@state-of-mind.de>
	<4E5CF3E8.2050102@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAPdQG2rA4Z6McQPC9pH8SQPNRp1xV19FEfBS2F=T1efhqc7AzA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 16:30, Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:

> On 30/08/2011 14:35, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
>
>> I live next to Gert. Should I go over and "shake his hands"? ;)
>>
>> But seriously, this seems to be a problem introduced by XS4all. Is there
>> anything we can/should do about?
>>
>
> I have no idea :-)
>
> The email came in to webmaster at python.org so I thought it should be sent
> to this list, so that someone who understood it could decide whether or not
> it needed our input.
>

noc at xs4all.nl at least (and peering at xs4all.nl probably as well) ends up with
the right people, some of whom are very active in the IPv6 community, so I'm
sure they'll resolve it one way or another posthaste.


>
>> p at rick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * Michael Foord<michael at voidspace.org.uk**>:
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: Mark Mahle<mm at VR.ORG>
>>>> Subject: XS4ALL strict IPv6 filtering
>>>> Date: 30 August 2011 13:19:54 GMT+01:00
>>>> To: noc at xs4all.nl
>>>> Cc: peering at xs4all.nl, Owen Delong<owen at delong.com>,
>>>> webmaster at python.org, gert at Space.Net, dang at goscomb.net
>>>>
>>>> Hello XS4All Noc,
>>>>
>>>> We are Host Virtual, a cloud provider that provides dual-stack IPv4+IPv6
>>>> services worldwide in 10 locations via AS36236 and AS42210.
>>>>
>>>> It has come to our attention that customers in any of our three EU
>>>> locations, using our RIPE assigned ip space (2a00:dd80::/32) are unable to
>>>> access the XS4all network, including sites such as www.python.org. We
>>>> announce at a minimum, a /48 from each location as per generally accepted
>>>> standards for IPv6 routability.
>>>>
>>>> In previous communication with our peers, we've learned that XS4ALL
>>>> filters its IPv6 traffic based on the strict case at
>>>> http://www.space.net/~gert/**RIPE/ipv6-filters.html<http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html>published by Gert D?ring.
>>>>
>>>> While we understand and appreciate there has been much discussion on the
>>>> topic we feel this type of strict filtering, based on rules published and
>>>> not updated over 3 years ago are now negatively impacting both XS4ALL's own
>>>> customers, and the end users of high profile sites such as
>>>> www.python.org.
>>>>
>>>> Being a supporter of many open source projects ourselves, and a strong
>>>> supporter of moving IPv6 forward we appeal to you to review this policy.
>>>> With IPv6 adoption now accelerating it's in all of our best interests to
>>>> ensure IPv6 routability.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate your attention and review of this policy and have included
>>>> relevant parties on the CC.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Mahle
>>>> +1-877-HOSTED7 x201 :: http://www.hostvirtual.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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