[pydotorg-www] Removing /moin/ suffix from wiki.python.org (Was: Internal Server Error while reverting spam)

anatoly techtonik techtonik at gmail.com
Tue Dec 27 17:12:44 CET 2011

7 days have passed since last message, so I presume there are no
more objections to do
required configuration changes.  Of course, it will be more obvious if
people could directly
say they are o.k. with it.  Should we leave this open for another 7 days?
anatoly t.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:02 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:24 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>> Paul Boddie wrote:
>> > On Monday 19 December 2011 23:41:14 Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>> >>> That's not a problem, I can match both on the domain and on the prefix
>> >>> -- and I can treat no prefix as yet another match for the prefix.
>> >>> So, wiki.python.org would lead to the python wiki, wiki.jython.org to
>> >>> the jython wiki, etc. plus there would be redirects from
>> >>> wiki.python.org/moin/* and wiki.python.org/jython/*.
>> >>
>> >> I think what MAL is saying is that you cannot have wiki.python.org/psf
>> >> point to one wiki, and wiki.python.org/ point to another one. If you
>> >> could, it would be ambiguous if wiki.python.org/psf/BoardAgenda
>> >> is a page in the PSF wiki, or in the Python Wiki.
>> >
>> > I don't remember the farmconfig limitations, but I'm pretty sure you
>> could get
>> > Apache to handle this and point /psf to a specific Wiki instance before
>> any
>> > other instance is offered a chance to handle it.
>> >
>> >> I'm not sure whether URL stability has been discussed yet in this
>> >> thread: it's absolutely necessary that the existing URLs continue
>> >> to work "forever", since people are linking to them. Making them
>> >> redirect would be an option if implementable.
>> >
>> > I'm also pretty sure that Anatoly mentioned URL stability. I think the
>> > simplification would be a reasonable enhancement.
>> Why not reverse this and redirect from the wiki.python.org/PageName
>> to wiki.python.org/moin/PageName for all page names that don't
>> start with (moin/|psf/|jython/) ?
> To me this proposal is like - 'Why have short URLs by default if we can
> have a long ones?'
> And I confirm that existing URLs will work "forever" and will redirect to
> new shorter default page
> names.
> That way you get your shortened URLs, but don't have to change the
>> way MoinMoin is configured or play with domain names and new
>> Apache virtual server setups.
> If I was a lazy admin, I'd love this suggestion, but can't agree as a
> user. If Apache is bothersome to maintain - we can change it to Nginx to
> make the application more portable.
> If you're concerned about positive /moin/ advertisement effect, then from
> a perspective of a Python web developer/admin, the /moin/ prefix looks
> exactly like an anti-ad. "Why the heck is this prefix doing here if there
> is already a wiki.* domain namespace?" "Does MoinMoin support domain names
> mapping?" "Is it a software that is so hard to customize?"
> So, we remove MoinMoin anti-ad, make wiki URLs simple for users and
> preserve existing links from breaking. It is a fantastic deal for the small
> cost of Apache reconfiguration. If you like the pitch, just say "O key" and
> we'll close it. =)
>  --
> anatoly t.
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