From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Feb  1 00:17:04 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:17:04 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de>

> It seems code.python.org (perhaps other hosts) sometimes has slight network
> problems. Users have been reporting problems coding the hg mirrors recently, see
> the latest messages on http://mercurial.selenic.com/bts/issue2595

/var/log/messages has occasionally (a few times a day) such messages:

Jan 31 22:21:14 dinsdale kernel: [13457235.269759] nf_conntrack: table
full, dropping packet.
Jan 31 22:40:36 dinsdale kernel: [13458959.742522] nf_conntrack: table
full, dropping packet.
Jan 31 22:41:09 dinsdale kernel: [13459011.771598] nf_conntrack: table
full, dropping packet.

In addition, more frequently, we get

Jan 31 20:55:45 dinsdale kernel: [13446691.558830] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 79.233.242.14:56632/80 shrinks window
4210464589:4210484917. Repaired.
Jan 31 20:55:46 dinsdale kernel: [13446692.713712] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 79.233.242.14:56632/80 shrinks window
4210464589:4210484917. Repaired.
Jan 31 20:57:34 dinsdale kernel: [13446956.911520] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 79.233.242.14:56658/80 shrinks window
1608315970:1608334846. Repaired.
Jan 31 20:57:34 dinsdale kernel: [13446958.298794] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 79.233.242.14:56658/80 shrinks window
1608315970:1608334846. Repaired.
Jan 31 20:57:36 dinsdale kernel: [13446961.222678] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 79.233.242.14:56658/80 shrinks window
1608315970:1608334846. Repaired.
Jan 31 21:07:39 dinsdale kernel: [13448395.084188] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 93.140.176.110:57259/80 shrinks window
2077391401:2077394305. Repaired.
Jan 31 21:07:39 dinsdale kernel: [13448396.530021] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 93.140.176.110:57259/80 shrinks window
2077391401:2077394305. Repaired.
Jan 31 21:08:24 dinsdale kernel: [13448506.672476] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 93.140.176.110:57259/80 shrinks window
2080979293:2080982197. Repaired.
Jan 31 21:08:25 dinsdale kernel: [13448508.117862] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 93.140.176.110:57259/80 shrinks window
2080979293:2080982197. Repaired.
Jan 31 21:08:32 dinsdale kernel: [13448526.923619] TCP: Treason
uncloaked! Peer 93.140.176.110:57259/80 shrinks window
2081894053:2081896957. Repaired.

If you can reproduce the problem, please take note and report the
exact date and time of the problem (in UTC).

Regards,
Martin


From solipsis at pitrou.net  Tue Feb  1 00:29:12 2011
From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 00:29:12 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>
	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:17:04 +0100
"Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> If you can reproduce the problem, please take note and report the
> exact date and time of the problem (in UTC).

One such occurrence could be:

213.41.240.54 - - [30/Jan/2011:17:05:45 +0100] "GET
/hg/branches/release2.7-maint/?cmd=changegroup&roots=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
HTTP/1.1" 200 5149626 "-" "mercurial/proto-1.0"

(this is not UTC, but DLT - Dinsdale Local Time ;-))

Regards

Antoine.



From patcam at python.org  Tue Feb  1 00:32:26 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:32:26 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- December
	2010
In-Reply-To: <20110131195842.GA6321@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <AANLkTikvSO_+v4TbvWr2Lf28W1K_Jtb+58MtEXe9oSng@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110131195842.GA6321@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvUqp2bm0nFo=WuLh4OgOvyXof-jwLFUn0H94e@mail.gmail.com>

Thank-you Andrew for posting the approved minutes for Oct-Dec 2010 online.
Pat
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:58 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 01:56:52PM -0500, Pat Campbell wrote:
> > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online at
> > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ the usual web
> locations.
>
> Done, for Oct-Dec 2010.  Sorry for the delay.
>
> --amk
>
>


-- 
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From patcam at python.org  Tue Feb  1 00:46:34 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:46:34 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update PSF Community Awards Webpage - with
 December 2010 winners
In-Reply-To: <20110131200928.GB6321@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <AANLkTinL2Yf2Rq=sBXRKjYoTnw4jZ7=wtrNfXB-vJuC1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110131200928.GB6321@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinOpnVbFTybQ2gLF66AQk4Yh3JYv=NhBqMzuBWh@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrew. The webpage looks very nice!
Pat

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:09 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 04:38:03PM -0500, Pat Campbell wrote:
> > Update PSF Community Awards Webpage: Could you please update the ?Python
> > Software Foundation Community Awards? at
> > http://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/ with the following
> update
> > information: *December 2010*
>
> Done.
>
> --amk
>



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From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Feb  1 00:55:19 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:55:19 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
In-Reply-To: <20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>
Message-ID: <4D474BE7.8030909@v.loewis.de>

Am 01.02.2011 00:29, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:17:04 +0100
> "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
>> If you can reproduce the problem, please take note and report the
>> exact date and time of the problem (in UTC).
> 
> One such occurrence could be:
> 
> 213.41.240.54 - - [30/Jan/2011:17:05:45 +0100] "GET
> /hg/branches/release2.7-maint/?cmd=changegroup&roots=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> HTTP/1.1" 200 5149626 "-" "mercurial/proto-1.0"
> 
> (this is not UTC, but DLT - Dinsdale Local Time ;-))

So what was the problem? Looks like a successful request to me.

Regards,
Martin

From solipsis at pitrou.net  Tue Feb  1 00:58:51 2011
From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 00:58:51 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>
	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de> <20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>
	<4D474BE7.8030909@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <20110201005851.5d3f4409@pitrou.net>

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:55:19 +0100
"Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:

> Am 01.02.2011 00:29, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> > On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 00:17:04 +0100
> > "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> >> If you can reproduce the problem, please take note and report the
> >> exact date and time of the problem (in UTC).
> > 
> > One such occurrence could be:
> > 
> > 213.41.240.54 - - [30/Jan/2011:17:05:45 +0100] "GET
> > /hg/branches/release2.7-maint/?cmd=changegroup&roots=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> > HTTP/1.1" 200 5149626 "-" "mercurial/proto-1.0"
> > 
> > (this is not UTC, but DLT - Dinsdale Local Time ;-))
> 
> So what was the problem? Looks like a successful request to me.

No, the transfer size should have been much larger. The hg clone ended
up corrupted. A later attempt got the correct full transfer:

213.41.240.54 - - [30/Jan/2011:17:10:15 +0100]
"GET /hg/branches/release2.7-maint/?cmd=changegroup&roots=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
HTTP/1.1" 200 77229968 "-" "mercurial/proto-1.0"




From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Feb  1 01:31:39 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:31:39 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
In-Reply-To: <20110201005851.5d3f4409@pitrou.net>
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>	<4D474BE7.8030909@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201005851.5d3f4409@pitrou.net>
Message-ID: <4D47546B.4040107@v.loewis.de>

>>> 213.41.240.54 - - [30/Jan/2011:17:05:45 +0100] "GET
>>> /hg/branches/release2.7-maint/?cmd=changegroup&roots=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
>>> HTTP/1.1" 200 5149626 "-" "mercurial/proto-1.0"
>>>
>>> (this is not UTC, but DLT - Dinsdale Local Time ;-))
>>
>> So what was the problem? Looks like a successful request to me.
> 
> No, the transfer size should have been much larger. The hg clone ended
> up corrupted. A later attempt got the correct full transfer:
> 
> 213.41.240.54 - - [30/Jan/2011:17:10:15 +0100]
> "GET /hg/branches/release2.7-maint/?cmd=changegroup&roots=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> HTTP/1.1" 200 77229968 "-" "mercurial/proto-1.0"

Ah. Could this be a request timeout? How long does the cloning take?
There is a global apache timeout of 300s; not sure whether that's
relevant.

Regards,
Martin

From solipsis at pitrou.net  Tue Feb  1 14:51:46 2011
From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 14:51:46 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>
	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de> <20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>
	<4D474BE7.8030909@v.loewis.de> <20110201005851.5d3f4409@pitrou.net>
	<4D47546B.4040107@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <20110201145146.42a27dcc@pitrou.net>

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:31:39 +0100
"Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> >>> 213.41.240.54 - - [30/Jan/2011:17:05:45 +0100] "GET
> >>> /hg/branches/release2.7-maint/?cmd=changegroup&roots=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> >>> HTTP/1.1" 200 5149626 "-" "mercurial/proto-1.0"
> >>>
> >>> (this is not UTC, but DLT - Dinsdale Local Time ;-))
> >>
> >> So what was the problem? Looks like a successful request to me.
> > 
> > No, the transfer size should have been much larger. The hg clone ended
> > up corrupted. A later attempt got the correct full transfer:
> > 
> > 213.41.240.54 - - [30/Jan/2011:17:10:15 +0100]
> > "GET /hg/branches/release2.7-maint/?cmd=changegroup&roots=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> > HTTP/1.1" 200 77229968 "-" "mercurial/proto-1.0"
> 
> Ah. Could this be a request timeout? How long does the cloning take?
> There is a global apache timeout of 300s; not sure whether that's
> relevant.

I don't think so. The cloning just failed again, much quicker:

$ time hg clone http://code.python.org/hg/branches/release2.7-maint/
destination directory: release2.7-maint
requesting all changes
adding changesets
adding manifests
adding file changes
transaction abort!
rollback completed
abandon?: premature EOF reading chunk (got 2517 bytes, expected 5105)
Command exited with non-zero status 255
19.66user 1.01system 0:46.80elapsed 44%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
203504maxresident)k 3648inputs+79040outputs

$ LANG=C date
Tue Feb  1 14:38:42 CET 2011


Actually, I've just managed to reproduce it from dinsdale itself:

$ time hg clone http://code.python.org/hg/branches/release2.7-maint/
destination directory: release2.7-maint
requesting all changes
adding changesets
adding manifests
adding file changes
transaction abort!
rollback completed
** unknown exception encountered, please report by visiting
**  http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/BugTracker
** Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Jan 24 2010, 14:53:14) [GCC 4.3.2]
** Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 1.7.3)
** Extensions loaded: 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/hg", line 38, in <module>
    mercurial.dispatch.run()
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/dispatch.py", line 16, in run
    sys.exit(dispatch(sys.argv[1:]))
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/dispatch.py", line 36, in dispatch
    return _runcatch(u, args)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/dispatch.py", line 58, in _runcatch
    return _dispatch(ui, args)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/dispatch.py", line 590, in _dispatch
    cmdpats, cmdoptions)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/dispatch.py", line 401, in runcommand
    ret = _runcommand(ui, options, cmd, d)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/dispatch.py", line 641, in _runcommand
    return checkargs()
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/dispatch.py", line 595, in checkargs
    return cmdfunc()
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/dispatch.py", line 588, in <lambda>
    d = lambda: util.checksignature(func)(ui, *args, **cmdoptions)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/util.py", line 426, in check
    return func(*args, **kwargs)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/commands.py", line 736, in clone
    branch=opts.get('branch'))
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/hg.py", line 337, in clone
    dest_repo.clone(src_repo, heads=revs, stream=stream)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/localrepo.py", line 1886, in clone
    return self.pull(remote, heads)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/localrepo.py", line 1295, in pull
    return self.addchangegroup(cg, 'pull', remote.url(), lock=lock)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/localrepo.py", line 1739, in addchangegroup
    if fl.addgroup(source, revmap, trp) is None:
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/revlog.py", line 1381, in addgroup
    p1, p2, (chainrev, delta), ifh, dfh)
  File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/mercurial/revlog.py", line 1220, in _addrevision
    cachedelta[1])
mpatch.mpatchError: patch cannot be decoded

real	1m15.848s
user	0m52.479s
sys	0m2.120s

svn2hg at dinsdale:~/t$ LANG=C date
Tue Feb  1 14:45:10 CET 2011


Cloning locally (without network access) succeeds:

$ time hg clone --pull /data/home/svn2hg/cpython/public_27-full/
destination directory: public_27-full
requesting all changes
adding changesets
adding manifests
adding file changes
added 45831 changesets with 99150 changes to 8586 files
updating to branch release27-maint
4218 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved

real	1m31.074s
user	1m26.053s
sys	0m3.260s


Regards

Antoine.



From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue Feb  1 15:09:39 2011
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:09:39 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
In-Reply-To: <20110201145146.42a27dcc@pitrou.net>
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>
	<4D47546B.4040107@v.loewis.de> <20110201145146.42a27dcc@pitrou.net>
Message-ID: <201102011509.39864.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 01 February 2011 14:51:46 Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> I don't think so. The cloning just failed again, much quicker:
>
> $ time hg clone http://code.python.org/hg/branches/release2.7-maint/
> destination directory: release2.7-maint
> requesting all changes
> adding changesets
> adding manifests
> adding file changes
> transaction abort!
> rollback completed
> abandon?: premature EOF reading chunk (got 2517 bytes, expected 5105)
> Command exited with non-zero status 255
> 19.66user 1.01system 0:46.80elapsed 44%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata
> 203504maxresident)k 3648inputs+79040outputs

Is it possible to see what you actually receive using something like 
Wireshark? I did experience repeatable problems viewing pages served by 
hgwebdir with the repository version of Mercurial a few months ago - the 
request would hang, and upon a reload I'd get the end of the last response 
and the start of a new one - but the problem seems to have gone away now. 
This was hgwebdir + CGI + Apache 2.2 on Ubuntu 8.04.

Paul

From webmaster at python.org  Tue Feb  1 15:19:55 2011
From: webmaster at python.org (Python.org Team)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:19:55 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: on python.org/doc/versions page,
 click on 3.1.3 gives forbidden error
Message-ID: <4D48168B.5050409@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	on python.org/doc/versions page, click on 3.1.3 gives 
forbidden error
Date: 	Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:00:45 -0600
From: 	Philip Rynes <rynes at comcast.net>
Reply-To: 	<rynes at comcast.net>
To: 	<webmaster at python.org>



*Forbidden*

You don't have permission to access /release/3.1.3/ on this server.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

/Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.5.1 mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g 
mod_wsgi/2.5 Python/2.5.2 Server at docs.python.org Port 80///

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From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Feb  1 20:54:31 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:54:31 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
In-Reply-To: <20110201145146.42a27dcc@pitrou.net>
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>	<4D474BE7.8030909@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201005851.5d3f4409@pitrou.net>	<4D47546B.4040107@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201145146.42a27dcc@pitrou.net>
Message-ID: <4D4864F7.70200@v.loewis.de>

> Actually, I've just managed to reproduce it from dinsdale itself:

So I doubt that it's an issue with the networking configuration;
more likely, this looks like a Mercurial bug.

Regards,
Martin

From georg at python.org  Tue Feb  1 22:10:30 2011
From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:10:30 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: on python.org/doc/versions page,
 click on 3.1.3 gives forbidden error
In-Reply-To: <4D48168B.5050409@python.org>
References: <4D48168B.5050409@python.org>
Message-ID: <4D4876C6.3070500@python.org>

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Should be fixed now.

Georg

Am 01.02.2011 15:19, schrieb Python.org Team:
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	on python.org/doc/versions page, click on 3.1.3 gives forbidden error
> Date: 	Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:00:45 -0600
> From: 	Philip Rynes <rynes at comcast.net>
> Reply-To: 	<rynes at comcast.net>
> To: 	<webmaster at python.org>
> 
> 
> 
> *Forbidden*
> 
> You don't have permission to access /release/3.1.3/ on this server.
> 
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> 
> /Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.5.1 mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g mod_wsgi/2.5
> Python/2.5.2 Server at docs.python.org Port 80///
> 
>  
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From solipsis at pitrou.net  Tue Feb  1 23:23:57 2011
From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:23:57 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>
	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de> <20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>
	<4D474BE7.8030909@v.loewis.de> <20110201005851.5d3f4409@pitrou.net>
	<4D47546B.4040107@v.loewis.de> <20110201145146.42a27dcc@pitrou.net>
	<4D4864F7.70200@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <20110201232357.2c3c4508@pitrou.net>

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:54:31 +0100
"Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:

> > Actually, I've just managed to reproduce it from dinsdale itself:
> 
> So I doubt that it's an issue with the networking configuration;
> more likely, this looks like a Mercurial bug.

Well, at this point it could be an issue anywhere on the host machine,
including Mercurial, mod_wsgi, Apache, or the kernel network stack.

I've tried to reproduce with Wireshark capturing, but still haven't
managed to.

Regards

Antoine.



From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 08:27:16 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 09:27:16 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
In-Reply-To: <20110201232357.2c3c4508@pitrou.net>
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>
	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net> <4D474BE7.8030909@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201005851.5d3f4409@pitrou.net> <4D47546B.4040107@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201145146.42a27dcc@pitrou.net> <4D4864F7.70200@v.loewis.de>
	<20110201232357.2c3c4508@pitrou.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=g9u6QHS0zQqNsPz-3hWGg7pwL7MRH7CiYcx6O@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:54:31 +0100
> "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
>
>> > Actually, I've just managed to reproduce it from dinsdale itself:
>>
>> So I doubt that it's an issue with the networking configuration;
>> more likely, this looks like a Mercurial bug.
>
> Well, at this point it could be an issue anywhere on the host machine,
> including Mercurial, mod_wsgi, Apache, or the kernel network stack.
>
> I've tried to reproduce with Wireshark capturing, but still haven't
> managed to.

Can it be caused by some hacked daemon that tries to capture passwords
like it occurred recently with SourceForge?

-- 
anatoly t.

From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Feb  2 08:35:34 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 08:35:34 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Connectivity/network problems?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=g9u6QHS0zQqNsPz-3hWGg7pwL7MRH7CiYcx6O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20110131T195302-601@post.gmane.org>	<4D4742F0.7080401@v.loewis.de>	<20110201002912.12f6c327@pitrou.net>
	<4D474BE7.8030909@v.loewis.de>	<20110201005851.5d3f4409@pitrou.net>
	<4D47546B.4040107@v.loewis.de>	<20110201145146.42a27dcc@pitrou.net>
	<4D4864F7.70200@v.loewis.de>	<20110201232357.2c3c4508@pitrou.net>
	<AANLkTi=g9u6QHS0zQqNsPz-3hWGg7pwL7MRH7CiYcx6O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D490946.9060502@v.loewis.de>

> Can it be caused by some hacked daemon that tries to capture passwords
> like it occurred recently with SourceForge?

Unlikely, we don't use passwords.

Regards,
Martin

From mfoord at python.org  Wed Feb  2 17:58:16 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:58:16 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Jython wiki: please block
	"AutoInsurance" and	"lifeinsurance"
Message-ID: <4D498D28.5040708@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Pydotorg] Jython wiki: please block "AutoInsurance" and 
"lifeinsurance"
Date: 	Wed, 2 Feb 2011 10:57:21 -0600
From: 	skip at pobox.com
To: 	pydotorg at python.org



I just deleted two spam pages from the Jython wiki, "lifeinsurance" and
"AutoInsurance".  They were created by the respectively named users.  I
can't edit the Jython wiki's BlockedUsersGroup page.  Can someone add those
two user names to the list on that page?

Thx,

Skip


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From mfoord at python.org  Thu Feb  3 22:55:25 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:55:25 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
References: <20110201094744.GB1745@state-of-mind.de>	<20110201092443.55d69bf9@python.org>	<20110202233904.GE32136@state-of-mind.de>	<20110203095220.GI12879@charite.de>	<20110203101501.GF14357@state-of-mind.de>	<19786.60415.446205.642258@montanaro.dyndns.org>	<20110203182612.GA1712@state-of-mind.de>	<4D4B1B03.30907@python.org>
	<4D4B1B99.5040007@python.org>	<4D4B1DAE.8080702@python.org>
	<20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>

Hah, you rock. Now I need to change all the subscriptions from mfoord to 
michael.

I don't *use* PGP, so I don't currently have a PGP signature (I used to 
have the PGP extension for Thunderbird but it caused Thunderbird to 
grind to a halt whenever I received a signed message).

I send email via a webfaction smtp server that isn't under my control 
(which is why I use it - so I *don't* have to administer it). Can I just 
send emails from python.org using the python.org smtp server directly?

Michael

On 03/02/2011 21:35, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> * Michael Foord<mfoord at python.org>:
>>> It really makes sense though to send @python.org mail over the python.org
>>> mailserver.  Think of it as a small price to pay for such a nice address :)
>> Heh. Can I have michael at python.org then?
> Your wish is my command.
>
> Incoming messages for michael at python.org will be routed to
> michael at voidspace.org.uk from now on.
>
> If you want to use mail.python.org as SMTP relay tell me your PGP sig and I'll
> send you authentication instructions.
>
> p at rick
>


-- 
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From p at python.org  Thu Feb  3 23:27:21 2011
From: p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 23:27:21 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
References: <20110202233904.GE32136@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110203095220.GI12879@charite.de>
	<20110203101501.GF14357@state-of-mind.de>
	<19786.60415.446205.642258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20110203182612.GA1712@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B1B03.30907@python.org> <4D4B1B99.5040007@python.org>
	<4D4B1DAE.8080702@python.org>
	<20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
Message-ID: <20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>

* Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org>:
> Hah, you rock. Now I need to change all the subscriptions from
> mfoord to michael.
> 
> I don't *use* PGP, so I don't currently have a PGP signature (I used
> to have the PGP extension for Thunderbird but it caused Thunderbird
> to grind to a halt whenever I received a signed message).

What's your login on mail.python.org? I can put the credentials in your $HOME.

> I send email via a webfaction smtp server that isn't under my
> control (which is why I use it - so I *don't* have to administer
> it). Can I just send emails from python.org using the python.org
> smtp server directly?

Yep. That's what me built it for in the first. ;)

p at rick


From mfoord at python.org  Thu Feb  3 23:41:24 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:41:24 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
References: <20110202233904.GE32136@state-of-mind.de>	<20110203095220.GI12879@charite.de>	<20110203101501.GF14357@state-of-mind.de>	<19786.60415.446205.642258@montanaro.dyndns.org>	<20110203182612.GA1712@state-of-mind.de>	<4D4B1B03.30907@python.org>
	<4D4B1B99.5040007@python.org>	<4D4B1DAE.8080702@python.org>	<20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>	<4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
	<20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>

On 03/02/2011 22:27, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> * Michael Foord<mfoord at python.org>:
>> Hah, you rock. Now I need to change all the subscriptions from
>> mfoord to michael.
>>
>> I don't *use* PGP, so I don't currently have a PGP signature (I used
>> to have the PGP extension for Thunderbird but it caused Thunderbird
>> to grind to a halt whenever I received a signed message).
> What's your login on mail.python.org? I can put the credentials in your $HOME.
>

I don't believe I have a login on mail.python.org (yet).

All the best,

Michael

>> I send email via a webfaction smtp server that isn't under my
>> control (which is why I use it - so I *don't* have to administer
>> it). Can I just send emails from python.org using the python.org
>> smtp server directly?
> Yep. That's what me built it for in the first. ;)
>
> p at rick
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


-- 
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From p at python.org  Thu Feb  3 23:48:19 2011
From: p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 23:48:19 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Pydotorg] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>
References: <20110203101501.GF14357@state-of-mind.de>
	<19786.60415.446205.642258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20110203182612.GA1712@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B1B03.30907@python.org> <4D4B1B99.5040007@python.org>
	<4D4B1DAE.8080702@python.org>
	<20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
	<20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>
Message-ID: <20110203224819.GQ21587@state-of-mind.de>

* Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org>:
> On 03/02/2011 22:27, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> >* Michael Foord<mfoord at python.org>:
> >>Hah, you rock. Now I need to change all the subscriptions from
> >>mfoord to michael.
> >>
> >>I don't *use* PGP, so I don't currently have a PGP signature (I used
> >>to have the PGP extension for Thunderbird but it caused Thunderbird
> >>to grind to a halt whenever I received a signed message).
> >What's your login on mail.python.org? I can put the credentials in your $HOME.
> 
> I don't believe I have a login on mail.python.org (yet).

But you do have color TV and fridges, do you? ;)

p at rick

P.S.
Sent the credentials to your private (?) mail account.

-- 
Patrick Ben Koetter <patrick at python.org>
Python.org Postmaster Team


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Feb  3 23:55:35 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:55:35 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110203224819.GQ21587@state-of-mind.de>
References: <19786.60415.446205.642258@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20110203182612.GA1712@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B1B03.30907@python.org> <4D4B1B99.5040007@python.org>
	<4D4B1DAE.8080702@python.org>
	<20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
	<20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>
	<20110203224819.GQ21587@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <20110203225535.GA14240@panix.com>

So what should those of us who want to send @python.org e-mail from a
third-party server do?  (E.g. almost all my e-mail comes from panix.com)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Feb  4 03:18:43 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 18:18:43 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110203230653.GS21587@state-of-mind.de>
References: <4D4B1B03.30907@python.org> <4D4B1B99.5040007@python.org>
	<4D4B1DAE.8080702@python.org>
	<20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
	<20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>
	<20110203224819.GQ21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110203225535.GA14240@panix.com>
	<20110203230653.GS21587@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <20110204021843.GA19899@panix.com>

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> * Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>:
>>
>> So what should those of us who want to send @python.org e-mail from a
>> third-party server do?  (E.g. almost all my e-mail comes from panix.com)
> 
> Follow the instructions I send to barry on the list how he should setup his
> server to relay messages through mail.python.org and replace "barry" with
> "aahz".

You misunderstood: "third-party" means that panix.com is almost
completely outside my control (it's my "ISP").
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From p at python.org  Fri Feb  4 07:21:06 2011
From: p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 07:21:06 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110204021843.GA19899@panix.com>
References: <4D4B1B99.5040007@python.org> <4D4B1DAE.8080702@python.org>
	<20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
	<20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>
	<20110203224819.GQ21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110203225535.GA14240@panix.com>
	<20110203230653.GS21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110204021843.GA19899@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20110204062106.GB1764@state-of-mind.de>

* Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>:
> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> > * Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>:
> >>
> >> So what should those of us who want to send @python.org e-mail from a
> >> third-party server do?  (E.g. almost all my e-mail comes from panix.com)
> > 
> > Follow the instructions I send to barry on the list how he should setup his
> > server to relay messages through mail.python.org and replace "barry" with
> > "aahz".
> 
> You misunderstood: "third-party" means that panix.com is almost
> completely outside my control (it's my "ISP").

Indeed, I misunderstood.

In this case configure your mail client to use mail.python.org as SMTP server.
Either create a second account or add a second outgoing server. Which mail
client do you use?

p at rick

-- 
Patrick Ben Koetter <patrick at python.org>
Python.org Postmaster Team


From patcam at python.org  Sat Feb  5 20:55:33 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:55:33 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from October through December 2010
	Board Meetings
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdrKUqP7ErcDcHsWimmFtnsgBJYARC7FGvcKDm@mail.gmail.com>

Hi pydotorg:



Could you please add the following board resolutions from

the October through December 2010 board meeting to this web page:



http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/



Please see list of board resolutions to be added below:



 **RESOLVED**, that the PSF buys one Mac Mini Computer, for a total of no

more than 1200 USD, to be used for Python Core development; usage details
are

determined by the Infrastructure Committee.



Approved 11-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 October 2010.





**RESOLVED**, that Michael Foord receives the PSF Community Service Award

Q3 2010.



Approved 11-0-0 by IRC vote, 18 October 2010.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a $1250 US grant to help fund sprints at
the

2010 SciPy India Conference to be held in Hyderabad between December 13th to
the

18th.



Approved 5-4-0 by IRC vote, 15 November 2010.





**RESOLVED**, that the board recommends Uniblue Systems Ltd. as a pending

sponsor member.



Approved 8-0-0 by IRC vote, 15 November 2010.





**RESOLVED**, that the board approves the modification of the PSF Sprints

Committee Charter to allow for the funding of sprints outside of the ?python

core? domain. The PSF and Sprint Committee may also accept donations to the

PSF to help further fund the sprints project as a whole, but not to specific
sprints

via donor advisement.



Approved 9-0-0 by IRC vote, 15 November 2010.





**RESOLVED**, that the PSF will assign the subdomain pl.python.org to Piotr

Tynecki and the Polish Python Coders Group, technical details to be arranged
by

the Infrastructure Committee.



Approved 7-0-0 by IRC vote, 15 November 2010.





**RESOLVED**, that the PSF pre-finance and underwrites the costs of

producing a printed Python brochure as outlined in the proposal

http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/2010-December/013532.html.



Approved 6-5-0 by IRC vote, 20 December 2010.





**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide a grant of $1,000 US to sponsor the

Summer pyGames Python based programming competition.



Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 20 December 2010.





**RESOLVED**, that the 2010-Q4 PSF Community Service Award be awarded

to Doug Hellmann and Andrew Kuchling.



Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 20 December 2010.



 Thanks for posting the above resolutions online, If you have any questions,
please let me know.



Pat




-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Feb  6 05:46:52 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 20:46:52 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110204062106.GB1764@state-of-mind.de>
References: <4D4B1DAE.8080702@python.org>
	<20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
	<20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>
	<20110203224819.GQ21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110203225535.GA14240@panix.com>
	<20110203230653.GS21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110204021843.GA19899@panix.com>
	<20110204062106.GB1764@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <20110206044652.GA2870@panix.com>

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> * Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>:
>> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
>>> * Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>:
>>>>
>>>> So what should those of us who want to send @python.org e-mail from a
>>>> third-party server do?  (E.g. almost all my e-mail comes from panix.com)
>>> 
>>> Follow the instructions I send to barry on the list how he should setup his
>>> server to relay messages through mail.python.org and replace "barry" with
>>> "aahz".
>> 
>> You misunderstood: "third-party" means that panix.com is almost
>> completely outside my control (it's my "ISP").
> 
> Indeed, I misunderstood.
> 
> In this case configure your mail client to use mail.python.org as SMTP server.
> Either create a second account or add a second outgoing server. Which mail
> client do you use?

mutt, mostly.  I can probably figure out how to go through
mail.python.org if I need to.  (Or just not use aahz at python.org at all;
I use it to receive mail more than for sending.)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From p at python.org  Sun Feb  6 09:12:54 2011
From: p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:12:54 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110206044652.GA2870@panix.com>
References: <20110203213519.GH21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
	<20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>
	<20110203224819.GQ21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110203225535.GA14240@panix.com>
	<20110203230653.GS21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110204021843.GA19899@panix.com>
	<20110204062106.GB1764@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110206044652.GA2870@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20110206081254.GB2022@state-of-mind.de>

* Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>:
> > In this case configure your mail client to use mail.python.org as SMTP server.
> > Either create a second account or add a second outgoing server. Which mail
> > client do you use?
> 
> mutt, mostly.  I can probably figure out how to go through
> mail.python.org if I need to.  (Or just not use aahz at python.org at all;
> I use it to receive mail more than for sending.)

Probably something along these lines (if you use a decicated folder "pydotorg"
and create the message in there):

alternates "aahz at pythoncraft\.com|aahz at python\.org"
folder-hook pydotorg set envelope_from_address='aahz at python.org'
folder-hook pydotorg my_hdr From: Aahz <aahz at python.org>
folder-hook pydotorg set smtp_url=smtp://USERNAME at mail.python.org:587/
folder-hook pydotorg set smtp_authenticators="digest-md5:cram-md5"
folder-hook pydotorg set smtp_pass='PASSWORD'

p at rick


-- 
Patrick Ben Koetter <patrick at python.org>
Python.org Postmaster Team


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Feb  6 15:17:36 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:17:36 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] SPF records for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110206081254.GB2022@state-of-mind.de>
References: <4D4B244D.9080601@python.org>
	<20110203222721.GM21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<4D4B2F14.4090001@python.org>
	<20110203224819.GQ21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110203225535.GA14240@panix.com>
	<20110203230653.GS21587@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110204021843.GA19899@panix.com>
	<20110204062106.GB1764@state-of-mind.de>
	<20110206044652.GA2870@panix.com>
	<20110206081254.GB2022@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <20110206141735.GA12861@panix.com>

On Sun, Feb 06, 2011, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> * Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>:
>>>
>>> In this case configure your mail client to use mail.python.org
>>> as SMTP server.  Either create a second account or add a second
>>> outgoing server. Which mail client do you use?
>>
>> mutt, mostly.  I can probably figure out how to go through
>> mail.python.org if I need to.  (Or just not use aahz at python.org at all;
>> I use it to receive mail more than for sending.)
> 
> Probably something along these lines (if you use a decicated folder "pydotorg"
> and create the message in there):
> 
> alternates "aahz at pythoncraft\.com|aahz at python\.org"
> folder-hook pydotorg set envelope_from_address='aahz at python.org'
> folder-hook pydotorg my_hdr From: Aahz <aahz at python.org>
> folder-hook pydotorg set smtp_url=smtp://USERNAME at mail.python.org:587/
> folder-hook pydotorg set smtp_authenticators="digest-md5:cram-md5"
> folder-hook pydotorg set smtp_pass='PASSWORD'

Thanks!  That authenticator line is the one I probably would not have
figured out quickly, so I appreciate that.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From amk at amk.ca  Sun Feb  6 17:09:15 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:09:15 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from October through
	December	2010 Board Meetings
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdrKUqP7ErcDcHsWimmFtnsgBJYARC7FGvcKDm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdrKUqP7ErcDcHsWimmFtnsgBJYARC7FGvcKDm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110206160915.GA28803@new-host.home>

On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 02:55:33PM -0500, Pat Campbell wrote:
> Could you please add the following board resolutions from
> the October through December 2010 board meeting to this web page:

Added; thanks!

--amk

From patcam at python.org  Sun Feb  6 18:12:19 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:12:19 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from October through December
 2010 Board Meetings
In-Reply-To: <20110206160915.GA28803@new-host.home>
References: <AANLkTikdrKUqP7ErcDcHsWimmFtnsgBJYARC7FGvcKDm@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110206160915.GA28803@new-host.home>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikimyQzJHFwzw8nuD0HC2tnDJFnNKWzUASV57ko@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrew.
Pat

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:09 AM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 02:55:33PM -0500, Pat Campbell wrote:
> > Could you please add the following board resolutions from
> > the October through December 2010 board meeting to this web page:
>
> Added; thanks!
>
> --amk
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From mfoord at python.org  Tue Feb  8 16:02:00 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:02:00 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: "PyCon registration" page needs updating
Message-ID: <4D515AE8.2010004@python.org>

Brandon - to get commit access to the website you need to send your ssh 
keys to pydotorg at python.org along with a request for commit access (and 
the reason). I'm sure it will be granted.

The address for discussing website changes is pydotorg-www.

All the best,

Michael Foord

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	"PyCon registration" page needs updating
Date: 	Tue, 08 Feb 2011 09:52:57 -0500
From: 	Brandon Craig Rhodes <brandon at rhodesmill.org>
To: 	webmaster at python.org



Dear Python webmaster -

I am the volunteer PyCon SEO Czar, tracking down highly-rated PyCon
links that still point to old PyCons.  In this capacity, I note that the
first Google hit for "pycon registration" is a page on python.org that
sends people to two broken links (is there a link checker that runs
against the Python web site?) for PyCon 2008:

http://www.python.org/community/pycon/register/

Is there any way that I could get permission to edit that page?  I would
love the chance to add a quick one-paragraph blurb about PyCon, and to
update the links to point to the current PyCon 2011 web site.  Thanks!

-- 
Brandon Craig Rhodes   brandon at rhodesmill.org   http://rhodesmill.org/brandon

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From brandon at rhodesmill.org  Wed Feb  9 18:36:44 2011
From: brandon at rhodesmill.org (Brandon Craig Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 12:36:44 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] how to set up redirects
Message-ID: <87lj1pcdoz.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>

Hey, everyone!  As the "SEO Czar" for PyCon 2011, I noticed that the top
Google result for "pycon registration" was this ancient page consisting
entirely of broken links:

http://www.python.org/community/pycon/register/

Mr. Kuchling helped me check out the Python web site source code to
learn more about the situation.  At first I thought I would just edit
the page to provide links to the current PyCon 2011 registration page;
but, after looking more closely at the situation, am I now thinking that
I should not privilege PyCon North America that way, but should instead
ask that all four of the following pages become redirects to either the
www.python.org/community/pycon/ page or to www.pycon.org (but which?):

/community/pycon/register/
/community/pycon/register-early/
/community/pycon/register-onsite/
/community/pycon/register-regular/

Does anyone else have an opinion about the fate of these old pages, and
where they should go today?  And: how do we set up redirects on the web
site?  By checking in a change to a special file that gets copied to an
Apache or nginx config?

-- 
Brandon Craig Rhodes   brandon at rhodesmill.org   http://rhodesmill.org/brandon

From patcam at python.org  Wed Feb  9 18:54:01 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:54:01 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?PSF_Members=92_Meeting_Minutes_fo?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r_February_19=2C_2010?=
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbXpEir-YMcXvDEMnyKaPaArLvU3zPfg5m8gFu@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:



 Could you please post ?The Python Software Foundation Minutes of the 2010
Members? Meeting February 19, 2010? online at
http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/ .



The Members Meeting was held at PyCon 2010 in Atlanta, Georgia.



If you have any questions, please let me know.



Thanks,

Pat


-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From amk at amk.ca  Wed Feb  9 19:01:05 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:01:05 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] how to set up redirects
In-Reply-To: <87lj1pcdoz.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>
References: <87lj1pcdoz.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>
Message-ID: <20110209180105.GA5721@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 12:36:44PM -0500, Brandon Craig Rhodes wrote:
> Does anyone else have an opinion about the fate of these old pages, and
> where they should go today?  And: how do we set up redirects on the web
> site?  By checking in a change to a special file that gets copied to an
> Apache or nginx config?

The pages are no longer useful, I think.  PyCon is not likely to use
the PSF's ancient donation CGI, and the PSF is likely to replace it
within the next year.  The ../register/ could just go to www.pycon.org
with a RedirectPermanent, but I think it'll drop out of search indexes
quickly once that's done.

You can't add redirects through the SVN checkout; someone has to tweak
the web server.  (build/redirects.txt is long out of date and not
used.)

--amk



From brandon at rhodesmill.org  Wed Feb  9 19:03:41 2011
From: brandon at rhodesmill.org (Brandon Craig Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:03:41 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] how to set up redirects
In-Reply-To: <20110209180105.GA5721@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
	(A. M. Kuchling's message of "Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:01:05 -0500")
References: <87lj1pcdoz.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>
	<20110209180105.GA5721@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <87aai5ccg2.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>

"A.M. Kuchling" <amk at amk.ca> writes:

> The pages are no longer useful, I think.

Agreed!

> The ../register/ could just go to www.pycon.org with a
> RedirectPermanent, but I think it'll drop out of search indexes
> quickly once that's done.

That would be great!  I would love for these old pages to disappear and
make way for more relevant links, and a permanent redirect that takes
care of all existing links to this page is the perfect solution, I think.

-- 
Brandon Craig Rhodes   brandon at rhodesmill.org   http://rhodesmill.org/brandon

From amk at amk.ca  Wed Feb  9 19:17:05 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:17:05 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] how to set up redirects
In-Reply-To: <87aai5ccg2.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>
References: <87lj1pcdoz.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>
	<20110209180105.GA5721@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
	<87aai5ccg2.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>
Message-ID: <20110209181705.GA5934@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 01:03:41PM -0500, Brandon Craig Rhodes wrote:
> > The ../register/ could just go to www.pycon.org with a
> > RedirectPermanent, but I think it'll drop out of search indexes
> > quickly once that's done.

Redirection added; /community/pycon/register now goes to www.pycon.org.

I noticed that www.python.org/pycon also went to /community/pycon/ ;
I've pointed that to www.pycon.org too.  This might break some links
to old conferences, but maybe not, since all those links are already
being redirected by other rewrite rules.

--amk

From amk at amk.ca  Wed Feb  9 19:43:26 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:43:26 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
	=?utf-8?q?PSF_Members=E2=80=99_Meeting_Minutes_for?=
	=?utf-8?q?_February_19=2C_2010?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbXpEir-YMcXvDEMnyKaPaArLvU3zPfg5m8gFu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinbXpEir-YMcXvDEMnyKaPaArLvU3zPfg5m8gFu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110209184326.GA6521@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 12:54:01PM -0500, Pat Campbell wrote:
>  Could you please post ?The Python Software Foundation Minutes of the 2010
> Members? Meeting February 19, 2010? online at
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/ .

Done!

--amk

From patcam at python.org  Wed Feb  9 23:36:37 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 17:36:37 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
	=?windows-1252?q?PSF_Members=92_Meeting_Minutes_fo?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r_February_19=2C_2010?=
In-Reply-To: <20110209184326.GA6521@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <AANLkTinbXpEir-YMcXvDEMnyKaPaArLvU3zPfg5m8gFu@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110209184326.GA6521@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikt2K6vRz+aGd_3zy_ObSiAd9tgaY72wuy9yDyO@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrew!!
Pat

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:43 PM, A.M. Kuchling <amk at amk.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 12:54:01PM -0500, Pat Campbell wrote:
> >  Could you please post ?The Python Software Foundation Minutes of the
> 2010
> > Members? Meeting February 19, 2010? online at
> > http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/ .
>
> Done!
>
> --amk
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu Feb 10 10:13:54 2011
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:13:54 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
 =?windows-1252?q?PSF_Members=92_Meeting_Minutes_fo?=
 =?windows-1252?q?r_February_19=2C_2010?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbXpEir-YMcXvDEMnyKaPaArLvU3zPfg5m8gFu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinbXpEir-YMcXvDEMnyKaPaArLvU3zPfg5m8gFu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D53AC52.7030709@simplistix.co.uk>

> After being recognized by the chairman of the board, V. Lindberg
> asked if the perspective members and the perspective board members

prospective, surely?
maybe I don't have enough perspective on this...

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From patcam at python.org  Thu Feb 10 17:53:34 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:53:34 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
	=?windows-1252?q?PSF_Members=92_Meeting_Minutes_fo?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r_February_19=2C_2010?=
In-Reply-To: <4D53AC52.7030709@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <AANLkTinbXpEir-YMcXvDEMnyKaPaArLvU3zPfg5m8gFu@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D53AC52.7030709@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJ1t1mVaLQ2wqjrciqy3-VaEsq1Tbb3Wzy8sw8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris:

I thought we had nailed this typo downed months ago :).

Pat

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:13 AM, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk>wrote:

> After being recognized by the chairman of the board, V. Lindberg
>> asked if the perspective members and the perspective board members
>>
>
> prospective, surely?
> maybe I don't have enough perspective on this...
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
>           - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
>



-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Fri Feb 11 09:05:55 2011
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:05:55 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Leaving pydotorg
Message-ID: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>

Ladies and gentlemen:

This note marks a turning point in my (unpaid) career with the PSF. I have been a subscriber to this list and its predecessor for many years, and in many ways regard it as the engine room of the Foundation.

The web is our primary communications channel with the outside world and the main and most trusted source of information in the world about the Python programming language; I imagine that the jobs board is probably the premier place to find professional Python users with all kinds of other skills. Seeing the daily buzz across this channel has kept me in constant touch with the Foundation's vibrant roots, and convinced me even on my down days that my work for the Foundation is worthwhile.

The PSF has grown immensely since I first joined, both in numbers and in scope. There have been problems, both financial and organizational, to overcome, and I think we have met those challenges and begun forward progress once more. Personal business (i.e. looking after my own financial interests for a change) mean that I have less time to devote to Foundation affairs. Sadly pydotorg is the channel that occupies most bandwidth.

If I were not confident that you are perfectly capable of self-management I would be more concerned about this change, but I believe we have forged the makings of a great editorial team. As the Foundation continues to change and grow I know that you will rise to the challenge of representing its ever-increasing breadth and (I trust) diversity. I hope that technology will eventually emerge that allows us to open the editorial role much more broadly, and to have the website managed by a representative subset of the Python microcosm.

Thank you all, for everything you have done and continue to do. You all know where to reach me, and I hope I will continue to hear from you regularly.

regards
 Steve




From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Feb 11 15:34:56 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:34:56 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Leaving pydotorg
In-Reply-To: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
References: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
Message-ID: <20110211143456.GA28011@panix.com>

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011, Steve Holden wrote:
>
> The PSF has grown immensely since I first joined, both in numbers and
> in scope. There have been problems, both financial and organizational,
> to overcome, and I think we have met those challenges and begun
> forward progress once more. Personal business (i.e. looking after
> my own financial interests for a change) mean that I have less time
> to devote to Foundation affairs. Sadly pydotorg is the channel that
> occupies most bandwidth.

Thanks for all your work!  You won't be missed.  ;-)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From martin at martinthomas.net  Fri Feb 11 22:12:11 2011
From: martin at martinthomas.net (Martin Thomas)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:12:11 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Leaving pydotorg
In-Reply-To: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
References: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikwrTZ6umca=oaZXmVLoyr7feppPOq_aYi2mv_6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:

> Ladies and gentlemen:
>
> This note marks a turning point in my (unpaid) career with the PSF. I have
> been a subscriber to this list and its predecessor for many years, and in
> many ways regard it as the engine room of the Foundation.
>
> The web is our primary communications channel with the outside world and
> the main and most trusted source of information in the world about the
> Python programming language; I imagine that the jobs board is probably the
> premier place to find professional Python users with all kinds of other
> skills. Seeing the daily buzz across this channel has kept me in constant
> touch with the Foundation's vibrant roots, and convinced me even on my down
> days that my work for the Foundation is worthwhile.
>

Thanks for everything you have done!
//Martin


>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
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From webmaster at python.org  Sun Feb 13 15:03:22 2011
From: webmaster at python.org (webmaster at python.org)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:03:22 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: Connection problems with IPv6 - persistent
 for more than a month now
Message-ID: <4D57E4AA.70902@python.org>

A user having trouble with python.org over ipv6. He assures us he *can* 
connect to other sites with ipv6 and has provided some diagnostic 
information.

Michael

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Connection problems with IPv6 - persistent for more than a 
month now
Date: 	Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:49:32 -0500
From: 	Matthew Roy <matthew at royhousehold.net>
To: 	webmaster at python.org



I'm pretty sure that this is not a local problem for two reasons. First, 
your site _is_ reachable - it just isn't responding to HTTP requests 
sent over IPv6. Second, as you said, I can reach other IPv6 sites just 
fine:

    matthew at smilebox:~$ wget -6 www.google.com <http://www.google.com>
    --2011-02-13 08:37:53-- http://www.google.com/
    Resolving www.google.com... 2001:4860:8009::69
    Connecting to www.google.com
    <http://www.google.com>|2001:4860:8009::69|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: unspecified [text/html]
    Saving to: `index.html.2'

         [ <=>                                                        
      ] 8,844       39.8K/s   in 0.2s

    2011-02-13 08:37:53 (39.8 KB/s) - `index.html.2' saved [8844]

    matthew at smilebox:~$ wget www.kame.net <http://www.kame.net>
    --2011-02-13 08:48:29-- http://www.kame.net/
    Resolving www.kame.net... 2001:200:dff:fff1:216:3eff:feb1:44d7,
    203.178.141.194
    Connecting to www.kame.net
    <http://www.kame.net>|2001:200:dff:fff1:216:3eff:feb1:44d7|:80...
    connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: unspecified [text/html]
    Saving to: `index.html.3'

         [ <=>                                                        
      ] 3,181       7.94K/s   in 0.4s

    2011-02-13 08:48:41 (7.94 KB/s) - `index.html.3' saved [3181]


I'm 98% sure this problem is on your end - if I had to hazard a guess 
I'd say your webserver(s) or firewall are silently dropping IPv6 
connections to port 80. Could it still be a weird browser or stack issue 
- sure, they're complicated software and could be mis-configured or have 
bugs, but can *you* reach the site over IPv6?

Matthew

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 07:56, <webmaster at python.org 
<mailto:webmaster at python.org>> wrote:

    Hello Matthew,

    We've had several reports of IPv6 connection problems in the past.
    They have *all* turned out to be client difficulties and not
    problems with python.org <http://python.org>.

    Can you please check connecting to other websites using IPv6. If
    they work but python.org <http://python.org> still fails come back
    to us.

    Many thanks,

    Michael Foord


    On 12/02/2011 21:46, Matthew Roy wrote:
>     When connecting over IPv6 all of the python.org
>     <http://python.org> websites timeout - even though name resolution
>     and connectivity are working:
>
>         matthew at smilebox:~$ wget -4 www.python.org <http://www.python.org>
>         --2011-02-12 16:39:28-- http://www.python.org/
>         Resolving www.python.org <http://www.python.org>... 82.94.164.162
>         Connecting to www.python.org
>         <http://www.python.org>|82.94.164.162|:80... connected.
>         HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
>         Length: 18848 (18K) [text/html]
>         Saving to: `index.html.1'
>
>         100%[======================================>] 18,848    
>          95.8K/s   in 0.2s
>
>         2011-02-12 16:39:28 (95.8 KB/s) - `index.html.1' saved
>         [18848/18848]
>
>         matthew at smilebox:~$ wget -6 www.python.org <http://www.python.org>
>         --2011-02-12 16:39:40-- http://www.python.org/
>         Resolving www.python.org <http://www.python.org>...
>         2001:888:2000:d::a2
>         Connecting to www.python.org
>         <http://www.python.org>|2001:888:2000:d::a2|:80... connected.
>         HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
>
>
>     Yet we have good DNS entries:
>
>         matthew at smilebox:~$ dig www.python.org <http://www.python.org> ANY
>
>         ; <<>> DiG 9.7.1-P2 <<>> www.python.org
>         <http://www.python.org> ANY
>         ;; global options: +cmd
>         ;; Got answer:
>         ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 11917
>         ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 6,
>         ADDITIONAL: 0
>
>         ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>         ;www.python.org <http://www.python.org>.INANY
>
>         ;; ANSWER SECTION:
>         www.python.org <http://www.python.org>.82745INA82.94.164.162
>         www.python.org
>         <http://www.python.org>.82744INAAAA2001:888:2000:d::a2
>
>         ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>         org.106654INNSc0.org.afilias-nst.info
>         <http://c0.org.afilias-nst.info>.
>         org.106654INNSa2.org.afilias-nst.info
>         <http://a2.org.afilias-nst.info>.
>         org.106654INNSb0.org.afilias-nst.org
>         <http://b0.org.afilias-nst.org>.
>         org.106654INNSb2.org.afilias-nst.org
>         <http://b2.org.afilias-nst.org>.
>         org.106654INNSd0.org.afilias-nst.org
>         <http://d0.org.afilias-nst.org>.
>         org.106654INNSa0.org.afilias-nst.info
>         <http://a0.org.afilias-nst.info>.
>
>         ;; Query time: 0 msec
>         ;; SERVER: 192.168.2.5#53(192.168.2.5)
>         ;; WHEN: Sat Feb 12 16:42:20 2011
>         ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 214
>
>
>
>     And good connectivity:
>
>         matthew at smilebox:~$ ping6 www.python.org
>         <http://www.python.org> -c 10
>         PING www.python.org
>         <http://www.python.org>(dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>) 56 data bytes
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=126 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=118 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=122 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=135 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=5 ttl=50 time=108 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=6 ttl=50 time=101 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=7 ttl=50 time=104 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=8 ttl=50 time=106 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=9 ttl=50 time=101 ms
>         64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org
>         <http://dinsdale.python.org>: icmp_seq=10 ttl=50 time=102 ms
>
>         --- www.python.org <http://www.python.org> ping statistics ---
>         10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9013ms
>         rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 101.504/112.742/135.351/11.542 ms
>
>
>     If you need any additional information to help resolve these
>     issues please let me know.
>
>     Mathew
>


    -- 
    http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

    May you do good and not evil
    May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
    May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Feb 13 15:08:08 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:08:08 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: Connection problems with IPv6 -
 persistent for more than a month now
In-Reply-To: <4D57E4AA.70902@python.org>
References: <4D57E4AA.70902@python.org>
Message-ID: <20110213140808.GO25340@charite.de>

* webmaster at python.org <webmaster at python.org>:
> A user having trouble with python.org over ipv6. He assures us he
> *can* connect to other sites with ipv6 and has provided some
> diagnostic information.

I'll check, since I'm also using IPv6 :)

> I'm 98% sure this problem is on your end - if I had to hazard a guess
> I'd say your webserver(s) or firewall are silently dropping IPv6
> connections to port 80. Could it still be a weird browser or stack
> issue - sure, they're complicated software and could be
> mis-configured or have bugs, but can *you* reach the site over IPv6?

$ wget -6 http://python.org
--2011-02-13 15:07:03--  http://python.org/
Resolving python.org... 2001:888:2000:d::a2
Connecting to python.org|2001:888:2000:d::a2|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 18848 (18K) [text/html]
Saving to: index.html.1'

100%[==============================================================================>]
18.848      37,1K/s   in 0,5s    

2011-02-13 15:07:03 (37,1 KB/s) - index.html.1' saved [18848/18848]

$ head index.html.1
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">


<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

<head>
  <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
    <title>Python Programming Language &ndash; Official Website</title>
      <meta name="keywords" content="python programming language
object oriented web free source" />
  <meta name="description" content="      Home page for Python, an
interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, extensible


-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From mfoord at python.org  Sun Feb 13 15:10:08 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:10:08 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: Connection problems with IPv6 -
 persistent for more than a month now
In-Reply-To: <20110213140808.GO25340@charite.de>
References: <4D57E4AA.70902@python.org> <20110213140808.GO25340@charite.de>
Message-ID: <4D57E640.20003@python.org>

Hello Matthew,

See the reply from Ralf below. He is able to connect with IPv6.

Michael

On 13/02/2011 14:08, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * webmaster at python.org<webmaster at python.org>:
>> A user having trouble with python.org over ipv6. He assures us he
>> *can* connect to other sites with ipv6 and has provided some
>> diagnostic information.
> I'll check, since I'm also using IPv6 :)
>
>> I'm 98% sure this problem is on your end - if I had to hazard a guess
>> I'd say your webserver(s) or firewall are silently dropping IPv6
>> connections to port 80. Could it still be a weird browser or stack
>> issue - sure, they're complicated software and could be
>> mis-configured or have bugs, but can *you* reach the site over IPv6?
> $ wget -6 http://python.org
> --2011-02-13 15:07:03--  http://python.org/
> Resolving python.org... 2001:888:2000:d::a2
> Connecting to python.org|2001:888:2000:d::a2|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
> Length: 18848 (18K) [text/html]
> Saving to: index.html.1'
>
> 100%[==============================================================================>]
> 18.848      37,1K/s   in 0,5s
>
> 2011-02-13 15:07:03 (37,1 KB/s) - index.html.1' saved [18848/18848]
>
> $ head index.html.1
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
>
>
> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
>
> <head>
>    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
>      <title>Python Programming Language&ndash; Official Website</title>
>        <meta name="keywords" content="python programming language
> object oriented web free source" />
>    <meta name="description" content="      Home page for Python, an
> interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, extensible
>
>


-- 
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Feb 13 15:14:35 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:14:35 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] SMTP is now IPv6 enabled
Message-ID: <20110213141434.GP25340@charite.de>

mail.python.org is listening on it's IPv6 address as well (and
sending, too!)

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Feb 13 15:17:26 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:17:26 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] IPv6 records for mail.python.org?
Message-ID: <20110213141726.GQ25340@charite.de>

So far mail.python.org only has an A record:

$ host mail.python.org
mail.python.org has address 82.94.164.166

Maybe we should add a AAAA record like for www.python.org.
Who can do that?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From mfoord at python.org  Sun Feb 13 16:32:30 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:32:30 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Leaving pydotorg
In-Reply-To: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
References: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
Message-ID: <4D57F98E.20404@python.org>

On 11/02/2011 08:05, Steve Holden wrote:
> Ladies and gentlemen:
>
> This note marks a turning point in my (unpaid) career with the PSF. I have been a subscriber to this list and its predecessor for many years, and in many ways regard it as the engine room of the Foundation.
>
> The web is our primary communications channel with the outside world and the main and most trusted source of information in the world about the Python programming language; I imagine that the jobs board is probably the premier place to find professional Python users with all kinds of other skills. Seeing the daily buzz across this channel has kept me in constant touch with the Foundation's vibrant roots, and convinced me even on my down days that my work for the Foundation is worthwhile.
>
> The PSF has grown immensely since I first joined, both in numbers and in scope. There have been problems, both financial and organizational, to overcome, and I think we have met those challenges and begun forward progress once more. Personal business (i.e. looking after my own financial interests for a change) mean that I have less time to devote to Foundation affairs. Sadly pydotorg is the channel that occupies most bandwidth.
>
> If I were not confident that you are perfectly capable of self-management I would be more concerned about this change, but I believe we have forged the makings of a great editorial team. As the Foundation continues to change and grow I know that you will rise to the challenge of representing its ever-increasing breadth and (I trust) diversity. I hope that technology will eventually emerge that allows us to open the editorial role much more broadly, and to have the website managed by a representative subset of the Python microcosm.
>
> Thank you all, for everything you have done and continue to do. You all know where to reach me, and I hope I will continue to hear from you regularly.


So long and thanks for all the fish. See you at PyCon! :-)

Michael

> regards
>   Steve
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


-- 
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From martin at v.loewis.de  Sun Feb 13 18:57:11 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:57:11 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: Connection problems with IPv6 -
 persistent for more than a month now
In-Reply-To: <4D57E4AA.70902@python.org>
References: <4D57E4AA.70902@python.org>
Message-ID: <4D581B77.80105@v.loewis.de>

>>     If you need any additional information to help resolve these
>>     issues please let me know.

Hi Matthew,

Traditionally, the problem you are describing indicates issues with Path
MTU Discovery.

My theory is this: on your path to python.org, some hop is not capable
of supporting the full MTU (1500 bytes), most likely some IPv4 tunnel.
The router that detects the problem sends out an ICMPv6 error message,
which then gets incorrectly filtered out on its path back. To resolve
the problem, we need to find the node on which the error message is
dropped.

If I had your IPv6 address, I could try to trace it from our end.
You may want to respond to me personally with this information, not to
the list.
If you want to trace it yourself, you can use tracepath6 or traceroute6
with varying packet sizes.

HTH,
Martin

From martin at v.loewis.de  Sun Feb 13 18:59:09 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:59:09 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] SMTP is now IPv6 enabled
In-Reply-To: <20110213141434.GP25340@charite.de>
References: <20110213141434.GP25340@charite.de>
Message-ID: <4D581BED.70703@v.loewis.de>

Am 13.02.2011 15:14, schrieb Ralf Hildebrandt:
> mail.python.org is listening on it's IPv6 address as well (and
> sending, too!)

What IP address are you using? Can you please put it into

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Admin/Machines

Should I update the DNS?

Regards,
Martin

From pycon at openlight.com  Mon Feb 14 19:59:36 2011
From: pycon at openlight.com (George Belotsky)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:59:36 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Leaving pydotorg
In-Reply-To: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
References: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimzt584JJ7BW=dgTp6WG8Me7PA9x-QBbGhMcXS1@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, so sorry to hear this, Steve!

I really hope that you will stay involved -- the Python community is a much
better place today because of your untiring efforts over the years.  You
really made a difference.

Wish you all the best in all things, Python and otherwise ...

George.



On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:

> Ladies and gentlemen:
>
> This note marks a turning point in my (unpaid) career with the PSF. I have
> been a subscriber to this list and its predecessor for many years, and in
> many ways regard it as the engine room of the Foundation.
>
> The web is our primary communications channel with the outside world and
> the main and most trusted source of information in the world about the
> Python programming language; I imagine that the jobs board is probably the
> premier place to find professional Python users with all kinds of other
> skills. Seeing the daily buzz across this channel has kept me in constant
> touch with the Foundation's vibrant roots, and convinced me even on my down
> days that my work for the Foundation is worthwhile.
>
> The PSF has grown immensely since I first joined, both in numbers and in
> scope. There have been problems, both financial and organizational, to
> overcome, and I think we have met those challenges and begun forward
> progress once more. Personal business (i.e. looking after my own financial
> interests for a change) mean that I have less time to devote to Foundation
> affairs. Sadly pydotorg is the channel that occupies most bandwidth.
>
> If I were not confident that you are perfectly capable of self-management I
> would be more concerned about this change, but I believe we have forged the
> makings of a great editorial team. As the Foundation continues to change and
> grow I know that you will rise to the challenge of representing its
> ever-increasing breadth and (I trust) diversity. I hope that technology will
> eventually emerge that allows us to open the editorial role much more
> broadly, and to have the website managed by a representative subset of the
> Python microcosm.
>
> Thank you all, for everything you have done and continue to do. You all
> know where to reach me, and I hope I will continue to hear from you
> regularly.
>
> regards
>  Steve
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Mon Feb 14 22:26:35 2011
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:26:35 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Leaving pydotorg
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimzt584JJ7BW=dgTp6WG8Me7PA9x-QBbGhMcXS1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <525C4F7B-9B6A-45A5-94EA-1D6AB1C279AA@holdenweb.com>
	<AANLkTimzt584JJ7BW=dgTp6WG8Me7PA9x-QBbGhMcXS1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9C8AC4F3-91BB-4F3B-84E4-1D4DA1243ADD@holdenweb.com>

Just in case a misimpression has arisen that may require correction, it's just /the pydotorg list/ I will be leaving. PSF members have already seen my name as a candidate for the next Board, so I remain active in the Foundation.

regards
 Steve

On Feb 14, 2011, at 10:59 AM, George Belotsky wrote:

> Wow, so sorry to hear this, Steve!
> 
> I really hope that you will stay involved -- the Python community is a much better place today because of your untiring efforts over the years.  You really made a difference.
> 
> Wish you all the best in all things, Python and otherwise ...
> 
> George.
> 


From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Feb 14 23:35:57 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:35:57 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Debian upgrade on dinsdale and ximinez
Message-ID: <4D59AE4D.1080202@v.loewis.de>

I'm planning to run a Debian upgrade to Squeeze on Friday on dinsdale
and ximinez. I hope to work on this starting 9:00 UTC. I'm going to take
down web services and svn access during the upgrade, so that no
interfering system changes take place. The whole downtime should
be less than one hour, and complete before 11:00 UTC. I'll try to bring
up a "maintenance" page for most of the outage.

I'll inform python-dev and catalog-sig.

Regards,
Martin

From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Feb 16 04:27:12 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:27:12 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] http://www.pycon.org out of date
Message-ID: <AANLkTim=G+Q_4aK2T28UfF3XGE4f-hX_cppvsbVepWfP@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.pycon.org  refers to last year:

"PyCon 2010 will be in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, from February 19 to 21
(with tutorials on February 17 & 18 and development sprints from
February 22 to 25). "

-- 
Carl K

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Feb 16 04:50:40 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:50:40 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] http://www.pycon.org out of date
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim=G+Q_4aK2T28UfF3XGE4f-hX_cppvsbVepWfP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim=G+Q_4aK2T28UfF3XGE4f-hX_cppvsbVepWfP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110216035040.GC28229@panix.com>

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
> http://www.pycon.org  refers to last year:
> 
> "PyCon 2010 will be in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, from February 19 to 21
> (with tutorials on February 17 & 18 and development sprints from
> February 22 to 25). "

python.org has little to do with pycon.org -- contact pycon-organizers.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From martin at v.loewis.de  Sat Feb 19 00:14:43 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:14:43 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
Message-ID: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>

I have completed the upgrades earlier today. If there is anything
broken, please post it here (or fix it yourself if you can).

Regards,
Martin

From merwok at netwok.org  Sat Feb 19 00:24:18 2011
From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:24:18 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <4D5EFFA2.4010706@netwok.org>

Thanks to the sysadmins for their work.

Regards

From steve at holdenweb.com  Sat Feb 19 00:40:58 2011
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:40:58 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D5EFFA2.4010706@netwok.org>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de> <4D5EFFA2.4010706@netwok.org>
Message-ID: <25536690-48B2-4203-827A-A12995A9A38A@holdenweb.com>


On Feb 18, 2011, at 3:24 PM, ?ric Araujo wrote:

> Thanks to the sysadmins for their work.
> 
> Regards


+1

regards
 Steve


From techtonik at gmail.com  Sat Feb 19 08:07:06 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:07:06 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>

Seems like Wiki was updated to 1.9.3 - nice. I've changed Wiki theme
in preferences to old-python (not sure, but seems it was the last) and
now I my account is blocked getting 500 errors while accessing
http://wiki.python.org/moin/

BTW, can anybody send me our MoinMoin backup without users data. I
want to see how can we hack themes and stuff, and also check if
upgrade process didn't miss anything like new plugins, updated
interwiki.txt etc.
--
anatoly t.



On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:14 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> I have completed the upgrades earlier today. If there is anything
> broken, please post it here (or fix it yourself if you can).
>
> Regards,
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>

From martin at v.loewis.de  Sat Feb 19 10:21:04 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:21:04 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D5F8B80.1060209@v.loewis.de>

Am 19.02.2011 08:07, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
> Seems like Wiki was updated to 1.9.3 - nice. I've changed Wiki theme
> in preferences to old-python (not sure, but seems it was the last) and
> now I my account is blocked getting 500 errors while accessing
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/

Please try again; this should be fixed now.

Regards,
Martin

From michael at python.org  Mon Feb 21 18:14:27 2011
From: michael at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:14:27 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: python.org website change request
Message-ID: <4D629D73.30400@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	python.org website change request
Date: 	Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:36:41 -0700
From: 	Steve Lang <Steve.Lang at roguewave.com>
To: 	webmaster at python.org <webmaster at python.org>



We have changed the home page for our PyIMSL distribution as part of VNI 
being acquired by Rogue Wave Software and a new website going up, so 
would it be possible on this page:

http://python.org/download/

to change the link associated with the PyIMSL Studio distribution from

http://www.vni.com/campaigns/pyimslstudioeval

to

http://www.roguewave.com/products/imsl-numerical-libraries/pyimsl-studio.aspx

No hurry as the old link will forward for some time but for correctness 
and to avoid confusion it would be good to change. I have changed 
various wiki.python links to the new address.

Thanks! (for all your work on the website)

Steve Lang

*Steve Lang***|**Senior Project Manager

*Rogue Wave Software <http://www.roguewave.com/> *

5500 Flatiron Pkwy, Suite 200, Boulder, CO 80301

*P*(303) 545-3258

Steve.Lang at roguewave.com <mailto:Matt.Yahna at roguewave.com>

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Feb 21 20:55:11 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:55:11 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: python.org website change request
In-Reply-To: <4D629D73.30400@python.org>
References: <4D629D73.30400@python.org>
Message-ID: <19810.49951.227480.804074@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    > -------- Original Message --------
    > Subject:  python.org website change request
    > Date:     Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:36:41 -0700
    > From:     Steve Lang <Steve.Lang at roguewave.com>
    > To:       webmaster at python.org <webmaster at python.org>



    > We have changed the home page for our PyIMSL distribution as part of
    > VNI being acquired by Rogue Wave Software and a new website going up,
    > so would it be possible on this page:

    > http://python.org/download/

    > to change the link associated with the PyIMSL Studio distribution from

    > http://www.vni.com/campaigns/pyimslstudioeval

    > to

    > http://www.roguewave.com/products/imsl-numerical-libraries/pyimsl-studio.aspx

Done.  Should be up on the website in a few minutes.

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/

From rdmurray at bitdance.com  Fri Feb 25 15:25:32 2011
From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:25:32 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] poor choice of MUA software (was PSF News: PSF
	Members Meeting to be held at PyCon 2011)
In-Reply-To: <0022152d6559135b06049d1bcd69@google.com>
References: <0022152d6559135b06049d1bcd69@google.com>
Message-ID: <20110225142532.8CBC22394C8@kimball.webabinitio.net>

Whatever mail program generated this, it did a *really* crappy
job with the text version.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:11:21 +0000, Python Software Foundation News wrote:
> Python Software Foundation News
> 
> ///////////////////////////////////////////
> PSF Members Meeting to be held at PyCon 2011
> 
> Posted: 25 Feb 2011 05:31 AM PST
> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PythonSoftwareFoundationNews/~3/0asjPMHqR-g/psf-members-meeting-to-be-held-at-pycon.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email
> 
> 
> The Python Software Foundation will hold a meeting for current and
> nominated members on March 11, 2011, from 12:30 pm to 1:20 pm local,
> in Atlanta, Georgia, USA at the Hyatt Regency Atlanta hotel.Agenda
> The agenda for the meeting is still being set. It includes time for
> newly nominated members to introduce themselves, and for members
> running for the Board of Directors to present their positions.  If you
> have another topic you would like added to the agenda, please contact
> PSF Secretary Pat Campbell before the meeting.Elections
> In the past, participants at the meeting elected the new board,
> approved new members of the foundation, and conducted other voting in
> person. However, last year the PSF switched to an online voting
> system. That system will be used again this year, with the ballots
> being sent out on Friday, March 25, 2011.
> Proposals that need to be voted on by the PSF membership should be
> submitted in the form of resolutions.  Initial discussions on the
> members mailing list is encouraged to craft the language for the
> resolution.
> The deadline for nomination of new members and proposal of resolutions
> to be voted on by the membership is Tuesday, March 22.Call for Nominations  
> of Directors
> Please nominate candidates for the PSF Board of Directors by sending
> email to the PSF Board.  Self-nominations are welcome.  Current
> directors should also indicate whether they will stand for election
> again.  Candidates should post brief bios and position statements in
> the PSF wiki.Call for New Member Nominations
> New members are nominated to the PSF by current members.  To nominate
> a regular member, first confirm that they are interested in taking on
> the responsibility, and then post your nomination to the members
> mailing list.
> The prospective member must also complete and submit a membership
> application form.
> See the PSF Membership FAQ
> for details
> 
> 
> 
> --
> You are subscribed to email updates from "Python Software Foundation News."
> To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now:  
> http://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=axVYCfzGzoDPXNGi8iLmKkCE0oE
> 
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From michael at python.org  Fri Feb 25 16:22:44 2011
From: michael at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:22:44 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: broken link in about page
Message-ID: <4D67C944.4080302@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	broken link in about page
Date: 	Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:15:09 +0100
From: 	Vivian De Smedt <vds at aisystems.be>
Organization: 	PSI
To: 	webmaster at python.org



Dear Python Web site maintainers,

In the About page: http://www.python.org/about/

The embed Python <http://www.python.org/doc/ext/embedding.html> link 
point to:
http://www.python.org/doc/ext/embedding.html

where it should probably point to:
http://docs.python.org/extending/embedding.html

Because the former no longer exist.

Thanks for the good work you do in Python, in the hope this mail help,
Best regards,
Vivian.

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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Feb 25 17:08:09 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:08:09 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: redirects.txt needed for local builds
Message-ID: <20110225160808.GC21256@panix.com>

It appears that redirects.txt is used for local builds, not sure what
the proper fix should be, so just commented it out.

----- Forwarded message from aahz <pydotorg-checkins at python.org> -----

> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:06:34 +0100 (CET)
> From: aahz <pydotorg-checkins at python.org>
> To: pydotorg-checkins at python.org
> Subject: [Pydotorg-checkins] r13659 - trunk/beta.python.org/build/new-build
> Reply-To: pydotorg at python.org
> 
> Author: aahz
> Date: Fri Feb 25 17:06:34 2011
> New Revision: 13659
> 
> Modified:
>    trunk/beta.python.org/build/new-build/run-server.py
> Log:
> comment out use of redirects.txt
> 
> Modified: trunk/beta.python.org/build/new-build/run-server.py
> ==============================================================================
> --- trunk/beta.python.org/build/new-build/run-server.py	(original)
> +++ trunk/beta.python.org/build/new-build/run-server.py	Fri Feb 25 17:06:34 2011
> @@ -71,8 +71,10 @@
>          self.end_headers()
>          return f
>  
> +# redirect file removed, comment this out
> +for x in ():
>  # Read redirect file
> -for line in open('redirects.txt', 'r'):
> +#for line in open('redirects.txt', 'r'):
>      # Ignore blank lines
>      if line.strip() == '':
>          continue
> _______________________________________________
> Pydotorg-checkins mailing list
> Pydotorg-checkins at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-checkins

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sat Feb 26 15:09:01 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 09:09:01 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] poor choice of MUA software (was PSF News: PSF
	Members Meeting to be held at PyCon 2011)
In-Reply-To: <20110225142532.8CBC22394C8@kimball.webabinitio.net>
References: <0022152d6559135b06049d1bcd69@google.com>
	<20110225142532.8CBC22394C8@kimball.webabinitio.net>
Message-ID: <1B96A813-0B45-46EA-B234-CE56A0F83091@gmail.com>


On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:25 AM, R. David Murray wrote:

> Whatever mail program generated this, it did a *really* crappy
> job with the text version.

Without the email headers I can't say for sure, but it looks like that came from the feedburner email subscription service for the PSF blog.


> 
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:11:21 +0000, Python Software Foundation News wrote:
>> Python Software Foundation News
>> 
>> ///////////////////////////////////////////
>> PSF Members Meeting to be held at PyCon 2011
>> 
>> Posted: 25 Feb 2011 05:31 AM PST
>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PythonSoftwareFoundationNews/~3/0asjPMHqR-g/psf-members-meeting-to-be-held-at-pycon.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email
>> 
>> 
>> The Python Software Foundation will hold a meeting for current and
>> nominated members on March 11, 2011, from 12:30 pm to 1:20 pm local,
>> in Atlanta, Georgia, USA at the Hyatt Regency Atlanta hotel.Agenda
>> The agenda for the meeting is still being set. It includes time for
>> newly nominated members to introduce themselves, and for members
>> running for the Board of Directors to present their positions.  If you
>> have another topic you would like added to the agenda, please contact
>> PSF Secretary Pat Campbell before the meeting.Elections
>> In the past, participants at the meeting elected the new board,
>> approved new members of the foundation, and conducted other voting in
>> person. However, last year the PSF switched to an online voting
>> system. That system will be used again this year, with the ballots
>> being sent out on Friday, March 25, 2011.
>> Proposals that need to be voted on by the PSF membership should be
>> submitted in the form of resolutions.  Initial discussions on the
>> members mailing list is encouraged to craft the language for the
>> resolution.
>> The deadline for nomination of new members and proposal of resolutions
>> to be voted on by the membership is Tuesday, March 22.Call for Nominations  
>> of Directors
>> Please nominate candidates for the PSF Board of Directors by sending
>> email to the PSF Board.  Self-nominations are welcome.  Current
>> directors should also indicate whether they will stand for election
>> again.  Candidates should post brief bios and position statements in
>> the PSF wiki.Call for New Member Nominations
>> New members are nominated to the PSF by current members.  To nominate
>> a regular member, first confirm that they are interested in taking on
>> the responsibility, and then post your nomination to the members
>> mailing list.
>> The prospective member must also complete and submit a membership
>> application form.
>> See the PSF Membership FAQ
>> for details
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> You are subscribed to email updates from "Python Software Foundation News."
>> To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now:  
>> http://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=axVYCfzGzoDPXNGi8iLmKkCE0oE
>> 
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From patcam at python.org  Sat Feb 26 17:29:27 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:29:27 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Bugglet in one of the published resolutions
In-Reply-To: <4D690048.4010103@egenix.com>
References: <4D690048.4010103@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzLr4MDZ6X4fA25h0J=8GCEr6MJsccbncaca3N@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:

Could you please add the missing information from the board resolution page
at

http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/.

Please insert Brett Cannon's name in the resolution on the web page just
like the resolution below:

RESOLVED, that the PSF offers a USD 4,500 grant to Brett Cannon to work
full-time for a period of two months on Python core development as outlined
in the proposal PDF (
http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20100614/62bbf3b8/attachment-0001.pdf).

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Pat



On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> Hi Pat,
>
> the resolution for Brett Cannon is missing his name:
>
> RESOLVED, that the PSF offers a USD 4,500 grant to work full-time for a
> period of two months on Python core development as outlined in the proposal
> PDF (
>
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20100614/62bbf3b8/attachment-0001.pdf).
>
> See http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> eGenix.com
>
> Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Feb 26 2011)
> >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
> >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
> >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::
>
>
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>



-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
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From skip at pobox.com  Sun Feb 27 00:16:20 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 17:16:20 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] copyrights in the wiki?
Message-ID: <19817.35268.44362.862396@montanaro.dyndns.org>

Do we care about people adding copyrights to wiki pages (or the code
therein)?

    http://wiki.python.org/moin/State%20Machine%20via%20Decorators

Skip

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sun Feb 27 00:31:02 2011
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:31:02 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] copyrights in the wiki?
In-Reply-To: <19817.35268.44362.862396@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19817.35268.44362.862396@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <201102270031.02487.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Sunday 27 February 2011 00:16:20 skip at pobox.com wrote:
> Do we care about people adding copyrights to wiki pages (or the code
> therein)?
>
>     http://wiki.python.org/moin/State%20Machine%20via%20Decorators

In this case, it makes more sense for the code to be attached. If it then has 
copyright and licence information, which is arguably desirable, then this is 
not really a problem. What is more of a problem is when such information is 
added to a page without being clear what the scope of the "claim" is, 
although the revision history can help us to figure that out.

There's never been a copyright/licensing policy on the Python Wiki as long as 
I've had anything to do with it, probably leading to some initiatives being 
abandoned because of this. For example:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonCdWiki

What one should do to remedy this situation, if that is considered necessary 
in order to let the content be delivered by other means, is rather unclear.

Paul

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Feb 27 04:41:03 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:41:03 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Bugglet in one of the published resolutions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinzLr4MDZ6X4fA25h0J=8GCEr6MJsccbncaca3N@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D690048.4010103@egenix.com>
	<AANLkTinzLr4MDZ6X4fA25h0J=8GCEr6MJsccbncaca3N@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110227034103.GA27109@panix.com>

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011, Pat Campbell wrote:
>
> Could you please add the missing information from the board resolution page
> at
> 
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/.
> 
> Please insert Brett Cannon's name in the resolution on the web page just
> like the resolution below:
> 
> RESOLVED, that the PSF offers a USD 4,500 grant to Brett Cannon to work
> full-time for a period of two months on Python core development as outlined
> in the proposal PDF (
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20100614/62bbf3b8/attachment-0001.pdf).

Done!
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01

From martin at v.loewis.de  Sun Feb 27 07:40:17 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 07:40:17 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] copyrights in the wiki?
In-Reply-To: <201102270031.02487.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <19817.35268.44362.862396@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<201102270031.02487.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4D69F1D1.6050503@v.loewis.de>

> What one should do to remedy this situation, if that is considered necessary 
> in order to let the content be delivered by other means, is rather unclear.

I personally think there is no need to remedy this situation. You can't
put the Wiki page onto a CD without permission of all authors, period.
So it is impractical to actually attempt that, and I think this is how
it should be, also.

Regards,
Martin

From mal at egenix.com  Sun Feb 27 11:23:09 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:23:09 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Bugglet in one of the published resolutions
In-Reply-To: <20110227034103.GA27109@panix.com>
References: <4D690048.4010103@egenix.com>	<AANLkTinzLr4MDZ6X4fA25h0J=8GCEr6MJsccbncaca3N@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110227034103.GA27109@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4D6A260D.1000001@egenix.com>

Aahz wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011, Pat Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Could you please add the missing information from the board resolution page
>> at
>>
>> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/.
>>
>> Please insert Brett Cannon's name in the resolution on the web page just
>> like the resolution below:
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the PSF offers a USD 4,500 grant to Brett Cannon to work
>> full-time for a period of two months on Python core development as outlined
>> in the proposal PDF (
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20100614/62bbf3b8/attachment-0001.pdf).
> 
> Done!

Thank you.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Feb 27 2011)
>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

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From patcam at python.org  Sun Feb 27 16:53:55 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:53:55 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Bugglet in one of the published resolutions
In-Reply-To: <20110227034103.GA27109@panix.com>
References: <4D690048.4010103@egenix.com>
	<AANLkTinzLr4MDZ6X4fA25h0J=8GCEr6MJsccbncaca3N@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110227034103.GA27109@panix.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDuBUP69AK8xrm5=mQ+n+MLwohPJF8rYiGpe=_@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Aahz.
Pat

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011, Pat Campbell wrote:
> >
> > Could you please add the missing information from the board resolution
> page
> > at
> >
> > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/.
> >
> > Please insert Brett Cannon's name in the resolution on the web page just
> > like the resolution below:
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the PSF offers a USD 4,500 grant to Brett Cannon to work
> > full-time for a period of two months on Python core development as
> outlined
> > in the proposal PDF (
> >
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/attachments/20100614/62bbf3b8/attachment-0001.pdf
> ).
>
> Done!
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>
> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
> about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
> wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-03-01
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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