From mfoord at python.org Fri Jul 1 01:20:08 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:20:08 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Link request for PyCon DE In-Reply-To: <4E088643.7090503@python-academy.de> References: <4DFB016D.1090102@simplistix.co.uk> <4DFB19D5.3080007@python-academy.de> <4DFB1B1D.6040904@python-academy.de> <4E088643.7090503@python-academy.de> Message-ID: <4E0D04A8.8010904@python.org> Hello Mike, I've added a link to the conference on the workshops page and added a news item. I think you'll have to contact the pycon folk (pycon-organizers mailing list) to get a link on pycon.org, I don't *think* anyone on this list is able to change it. All the best, Michael Foord On 27/06/2011 14:31, Mike M?ller wrote: > Hi folks, > > It would be great to have a link to the upcoming > PyCon DE > > http://de.pycon.org > > at these places: > > http://www.python.org/community/workshops/ > http://www.pycon.org/ > > Also a short news entry at http://www.python.org/ > > would help. > > Please let me know if I need to address somebody else. > > Thanks. > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From mmueller at python-academy.de Fri Jul 1 01:36:30 2011 From: mmueller at python-academy.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mike_M=FCller?=) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 01:36:30 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Link request for PyCon DE In-Reply-To: <4E0D04A8.8010904@python.org> References: <4DFB016D.1090102@simplistix.co.uk> <4DFB19D5.3080007@python-academy.de> <4DFB1B1D.6040904@python-academy.de> <4E088643.7090503@python-academy.de> <4E0D04A8.8010904@python.org> Message-ID: <4E0D087E.2060006@python-academy.de> Hi Michael, Am 01.07.2011 01:20, schrieb Michael Foord: > Hello Mike, > > I've added a link to the conference on the workshops page and added a news > item. Thanks a lot. I think "Python DE (Germany) Announced" should be "PyCon DE (Germany) Announced", unless we need to release a Python version with German keywords with umlauts. ;) > I think you'll have to contact the pycon folk (pycon-organizers mailing > list) to get a link on pycon.org, I don't *think* anyone on this list is able > to change it. I will. Actually I am on the conferences list. Mike > > All the best, > > Michael Foord > > On 27/06/2011 14:31, Mike M?ller wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> It would be great to have a link to the upcoming >> PyCon DE >> >> http://de.pycon.org >> >> at these places: >> >> http://www.python.org/community/workshops/ >> http://www.pycon.org/ >> >> Also a short news entry at http://www.python.org/ >> >> would help. >> >> Please let me know if I need to address somebody else. >> >> Thanks. >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > From mfoord at python.org Fri Jul 1 01:40:09 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:40:09 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Link request for PyCon DE In-Reply-To: <4E0D087E.2060006@python-academy.de> References: <4DFB016D.1090102@simplistix.co.uk> <4DFB19D5.3080007@python-academy.de> <4DFB1B1D.6040904@python-academy.de> <4E088643.7090503@python-academy.de> <4E0D04A8.8010904@python.org> <4E0D087E.2060006@python-academy.de> Message-ID: <4E0D0959.6010708@python.org> On 01/07/2011 00:36, Mike M?ller wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Am 01.07.2011 01:20, schrieb Michael Foord: >> Hello Mike, >> >> I've added a link to the conference on the workshops page and added a >> news >> item. > > Thanks a lot. > > I think "Python DE (Germany) Announced" should be "PyCon DE (Germany) > Announced", unless we need to release a Python version with German > keywords with umlauts. ;) > Oops... fixed. Michael >> I think you'll have to contact the pycon folk (pycon-organizers mailing >> list) to get a link on pycon.org, I don't *think* anyone on this list >> is able >> to change it. > > I will. Actually I am on the conferences list. > > Mike >> >> All the best, >> >> Michael Foord >> >> On 27/06/2011 14:31, Mike M?ller wrote: >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> It would be great to have a link to the upcoming >>> PyCon DE >>> >>> http://de.pycon.org >>> >>> at these places: >>> >>> http://www.python.org/community/workshops/ >>> http://www.pycon.org/ >>> >>> Also a short news entry at http://www.python.org/ >>> >>> would help. >>> >>> Please let me know if I need to address somebody else. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Mike >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pydotorg-www mailing list >>> pydotorg-www at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From luk at wybcz.pl Fri Jul 1 15:58:51 2011 From: luk at wybcz.pl (Lukasz Szczesny) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:58:51 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] ipv6 connectivity issues In-Reply-To: <4DF9F95E.9060203@voidspace.org.uk> References: <4DF9F95E.9060203@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <20110701135851.GA5424@fafnik.wybcz.pl> Hi! On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:38:54PM +0100, Michael Foord wrote: > We've just had two reports on webmaster at python.org about ipv6 > connectivity issues. Normally they are caused by client / route > issues, however if I try via claranet I get failures too: It looks that python.org is not available over IPv6 again: [luk at bender:~]$ mtr --report python.org HOST: bender Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- spider1.mimuw.edu.pl 0.0% 10 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.0 2.|-- kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu. 0.0% 10 4.9 4.4 3.8 4.9 0.3 3.|-- kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu. 0.0% 10 4.7 4.2 3.8 4.7 0.3 4.|-- 2001:6a0:0:19::1 0.0% 10 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.1 5.|-- 2001:b10:c000:204::1 0.0% 10 10.8 6.4 5.8 10.8 1.6 6.|-- pionier-bckp.rt1.poz.pl.g 0.0% 10 5.8 5.9 5.8 6.2 0.1 7.|-- so-7-1-0.rt1.fra.de.geant 0.0% 10 18.7 18.8 18.5 20.5 0.6 8.|-- 2001:450:2002:70::1 0.0% 10 19.0 25.6 18.6 86.5 21.4 9.|-- 2001:450:2002:1e2::2 0.0% 10 27.3 30.2 27.2 55.5 8.9 10.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 11.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 12.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 13.|-- kpn-ic-135436-adm-b5.c.te 0.0% 10 48.7 48.8 48.7 48.9 0.1 14.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > http://noc.eu.clara.net/lg.php > Router: US > Command: ping ipv6 python.org > > Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 2001:888:2000:D::A2, timeout is 2 seconds: > ..... > Success rate is 0 percent (0/5) > > Reports below: > > It seems that your IPv6 network is down: > > [luk at bender:~]$ traceroute6 python.org # from my workplace > traceroute to python.org (2001:888:2000:d::a2), 30 hops max, 80 byte packets > 1 spider1.mimuw.edu.pl (2001:6a0:5001:1::1) 0.273 ms 0.295 ms 0.293 ms > 2 kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu.pl (2001:6a0:4001:1::1) 4.794 ms > 4.826 ms 4.822 ms > 3 kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu.pl (2001:6a0:1:4::1) 5.045 ms 5.069 > ms 5.254 ms > 4 2001:6a0:0:19::1 (2001:6a0:0:19::1) 1.396 ms 1.394 ms 1.401 ms > 5 2001:b10:c000:204::1 (2001:b10:c000:204::1) 6.499 ms 6.501 ms > 6.513 ms > 6 pionier-bckp.rt1.poz.pl.geant2.net (2001:798:23:10aa::5) 6.476 > ms 5.960 ms 5.975 ms > 7 so-7-1-0.rt1.fra.de.geant2.net (2001:798:cc:1401:2301::1) > 18.706 ms 18.842 ms 18.876 ms > 8 2001:450:2002:70::1 (2001:450:2002:70::1) 148.335 ms 144.553 > ms 143.525 ms > 9 2001:450:2002:1e2::2 (2001:450:2002:1e2::2) 27.310 ms 27.305 > ms 27.300 ms > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 kpn-ic-135436-adm-b5.c.telia.net (2001:2000:3080:6f::2) 48.579 > ms 48.601 ms 48.554 ms > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 * * * > 18 * * * > 19 * * * > 20 * * * > 21 * * * > 22 * * * > 23 * * * > 24 * * * > 25 * * * > 26 * * * > 27 * * * > 28 * * * > 29 * * * > 30 * * * > > > I'd like to just report that python.org (and subdomains) is not > avaiable (lost 100% packets, no ICMP responses) from some locations > over IPv6. The problem started yesterday in the evening CEST. I'm > observing the problem from the University of Warsaw network which is > one of the largest .edu networks in Poland. Traceroute6 reports: > > root at schowek:/home/accek/foo# traceroute6 pypi.python.org > traceroute to pypi.python.org (2001:888:2000:d::a8) from > 2001:6a0:5001:2:212:3fff:fe78:660, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets > 1 spider2.mimuw.edu.pl (2001:6a0:5001:2::1) 0.237 ms 0.202 ms 0.207 ms > 2 kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu.pl (2001:6a0:4001:1::1) 4.229 ms > 4.175 ms 4.115 ms > 3 kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu.pl (2001:6a0:1:4::1) 4.085 ms 3.824 > ms 4.079 ms > 4 2001:6a0:0:19::1 (2001:6a0:0:19::1) 6.328 ms 0.821 ms 0.736 ms > 5 2001:b10:c000:204::1 (2001:b10:c000:204::1) 6.136 ms 5.953 ms > 5.894 ms > 6 * pionier-bckp.rt1.poz.pl.geant2.net (2001:798:23:10aa::5) > 6.249 ms 5.952 ms > 7 so-7-1-0.rt1.fra.de.geant2.net (2001:798:cc:1401:2301::1) > 18.643 ms 18.661 ms 18.659 ms > 8 2001:450:2002:70::1 (2001:450:2002:70::1) 112.468 ms 76.75 ms > 18.881 ms > 9 2001:450:2002:1e2::2 (2001:450:2002:1e2::2) 44.23 ms 27.581 ms > 27.315 ms > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 kpn-ic-135436-adm-b5.c.telia.net (2001:2000:3080:6f::2) 49.17 > ms 49.016 ms 77.695 ms > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 * * * > 18 * * * > 19 * * * > 20 * * * > > It looks like a routing problem in the core IPv6. I don't know the > exact area affected, but entries like 'telia.net' or 'geant2.net' > suggest it's not a local issue. Access via some Teredo server in the > Netherlands seems ok. > > Maybe it's a good idea to drop AAAA DNS records for python.org > temporarily, especially that easy_install and such are broken on > affected networks with IPv6-enabled hosts (and automatic fallback to > IPv4 does not always work, at least in my case). > > All the best, > > Michael Foord > > -- > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ > > May you do good and not evil > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others > May you share freely, never taking more than you give. > -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html -- pozdrawiam, Lukasz Szczesny From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Fri Jul 1 16:28:21 2011 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:28:21 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] ipv6 connectivity issues In-Reply-To: <20110701135851.GA5424@fafnik.wybcz.pl> References: <4DF9F95E.9060203@voidspace.org.uk> <20110701135851.GA5424@fafnik.wybcz.pl> Message-ID: <20110701142821.GU15601@charite.de> * Lukasz Szczesny : > > Hi! > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:38:54PM +0100, Michael Foord wrote: > > We've just had two reports on webmaster at python.org about ipv6 > > connectivity issues. Normally they are caused by client / route > > issues, however if I try via claranet I get failures too: > > It looks that python.org is not available over IPv6 again: > > [luk at bender:~]$ mtr --report python.org > HOST: bender Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev > 1.|-- spider1.mimuw.edu.pl 0.0% 10 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.0 > 2.|-- kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu. 0.0% 10 4.9 4.4 3.8 4.9 0.3 > 3.|-- kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu. 0.0% 10 4.7 4.2 3.8 4.7 0.3 > 4.|-- 2001:6a0:0:19::1 0.0% 10 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.1 > 5.|-- 2001:b10:c000:204::1 0.0% 10 10.8 6.4 5.8 10.8 1.6 > 6.|-- pionier-bckp.rt1.poz.pl.g 0.0% 10 5.8 5.9 5.8 6.2 0.1 > 7.|-- so-7-1-0.rt1.fra.de.geant 0.0% 10 18.7 18.8 18.5 20.5 0.6 > 8.|-- 2001:450:2002:70::1 0.0% 10 19.0 25.6 18.6 86.5 21.4 > 9.|-- 2001:450:2002:1e2::2 0.0% 10 27.3 30.2 27.2 55.5 8.9 > 10.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > 11.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > 12.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > 13.|-- kpn-ic-135436-adm-b5.c.te 0.0% 10 48.7 48.8 48.7 48.9 0.1 > 14.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Seem to be working here: root at www:~# mtr --report -c 5 2001:888:2000:d::a2 HOST: www Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- 2a01:4f8:130:8160::1 0.0% 5 0.8 1.0 0.8 1.2 0.2 2.|-- 2a01:4f8:0:13:1:0:13:1 0.0% 5 0.6 5.5 0.5 25.3 11.1 3.|-- hos-bb1.juniper1.ffm.hetz 0.0% 5 5.1 5.0 5.0 5.1 0.0 4.|-- 20gigabitethernet1-3.core 0.0% 5 14.2 14.8 12.3 17.6 2.0 5.|-- xs4all.10gigabitethernet3 0.0% 5 14.4 28.6 14.3 78.6 28.0 6.|-- 2001:888:1:4005::2 0.0% 5 14.5 14.5 14.5 14.6 0.1 7.|-- te5-4.swcolo1.3d12.xs4all 0.0% 5 14.9 14.8 14.6 14.9 0.1 8.|-- vlan5.swcolo2.3d12.xs4all 0.0% 5 14.7 14.8 14.6 15.1 0.2 9.|-- dinsdale.python.org 0.0% 5 14.2 15.3 14.2 18.2 1.7 -- Ralf Hildebrandt Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de From accek at mimuw.edu.pl Fri Jul 1 19:58:00 2011 From: accek at mimuw.edu.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Szymon_Aceda=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 10:58:00 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] ipv6 connectivity issues In-Reply-To: <20110701142821.GU15601@charite.de> References: <4DF9F95E.9060203@voidspace.org.uk> <20110701135851.GA5424@fafnik.wybcz.pl> <20110701142821.GU15601@charite.de> Message-ID: It doesn't work using clara.net either: *Router:* US *Command:* ping ipv6 2001:888:2000:d::a2 Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 2001:888:2000:D::A2, timeout is 2 seconds: ..... Success rate is 0 percent (0/5) ------------------------------ This again does not seem like an isolated case. Best wishes, Szymon On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt < Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de> wrote: > * Lukasz Szczesny : > > > > Hi! > > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:38:54PM +0100, Michael Foord wrote: > > > We've just had two reports on webmaster at python.org about ipv6 > > > connectivity issues. Normally they are caused by client / route > > > issues, however if I try via claranet I get failures too: > > > > It looks that python.org is not available over IPv6 again: > > > > [luk at bender:~]$ mtr --report python.org > > HOST: bender Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst > StDev > > 1.|-- spider1.mimuw.edu.pl 0.0% 10 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 > 0.0 > > 2.|-- kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu. 0.0% 10 4.9 4.4 3.8 4.9 > 0.3 > > 3.|-- kp-mm-r3.rtr.net.icm.edu. 0.0% 10 4.7 4.2 3.8 4.7 > 0.3 > > 4.|-- 2001:6a0:0:19::1 0.0% 10 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.8 > 0.1 > > 5.|-- 2001:b10:c000:204::1 0.0% 10 10.8 6.4 5.8 10.8 1.6 > > 6.|-- pionier-bckp.rt1.poz.pl.g 0.0% 10 5.8 5.9 5.8 6.2 0.1 > > 7.|-- so-7-1-0.rt1.fra.de.geant 0.0% 10 18.7 18.8 18.5 20.5 > 0.6 > > 8.|-- 2001:450:2002:70::1 0.0% 10 19.0 25.6 18.6 86.5 > 21.4 > > 9.|-- 2001:450:2002:1e2::2 0.0% 10 27.3 30.2 27.2 55.5 > 8.9 > > 10.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > 0.0 > > 11.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > 0.0 > > 12.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > 0.0 > > 13.|-- kpn-ic-135436-adm-b5.c.te 0.0% 10 48.7 48.8 48.7 48.9 > 0.1 > > 14.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > 0.0 > > Seem to be working here: > > root at www:~# mtr --report -c 5 2001:888:2000:d::a2 > HOST: www Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst > StDev > 1.|-- 2a01:4f8:130:8160::1 0.0% 5 0.8 1.0 0.8 1.2 0.2 > 2.|-- 2a01:4f8:0:13:1:0:13:1 0.0% 5 0.6 5.5 0.5 25.3 11.1 > 3.|-- hos-bb1.juniper1.ffm.hetz 0.0% 5 5.1 5.0 5.0 5.1 0.0 > 4.|-- 20gigabitethernet1-3.core 0.0% 5 14.2 14.8 12.3 17.6 2.0 > 5.|-- xs4all.10gigabitethernet3 0.0% 5 14.4 28.6 14.3 78.6 28.0 > 6.|-- 2001:888:1:4005::2 0.0% 5 14.5 14.5 14.5 14.6 0.1 > 7.|-- te5-4.swcolo1.3d12.xs4all 0.0% 5 14.9 14.8 14.6 14.9 0.1 > 8.|-- vlan5.swcolo2.3d12.xs4all 0.0% 5 14.7 14.8 14.6 15.1 0.2 > 9.|-- dinsdale.python.org 0.0% 5 14.2 15.3 14.2 18.2 1.7 > > -- > Ralf Hildebrandt > Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk > Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin > Campus Benjamin Franklin > Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin > Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 > ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at v.loewis.de Fri Jul 1 21:27:18 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 21:27:18 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] ipv6 connectivity issues In-Reply-To: <20110701135851.GA5424@fafnik.wybcz.pl> References: <4DF9F95E.9060203@voidspace.org.uk> <20110701135851.GA5424@fafnik.wybcz.pl> Message-ID: <4E0E1F96.5000408@v.loewis.de> > It looks that python.org is not available over IPv6 again: A traceroute to your address from www.python.org fails entirely, so I asked xs4all for help. Please understand that this is specific to the University of Warsaw; routing to other IPv6 nodes works fine. Regards, Martin From martin at v.loewis.de Sat Jul 2 11:51:03 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:51:03 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] ipv6 connectivity issues In-Reply-To: <20110701135851.GA5424@fafnik.wybcz.pl> References: <4DF9F95E.9060203@voidspace.org.uk> <20110701135851.GA5424@fafnik.wybcz.pl> Message-ID: <4E0EEA07.4030909@v.loewis.de> > It looks that python.org is not available over IPv6 again: Miquel van Smoorenburg of XS4ALL has looked in the issue, and determined it to be a misconfiguration at the University of Warsaw. UoW was announcing 2001:6a0:4000::/34 in BGP, even though they own 2001:6a0::/32. XS4ALL has a policy of filtering routes with prefixes longer than /32 in the 2001::/16 range. Therefore, XS4ALL could not route to UoW. While this is, strictly speaking, a policy issue at XS4ALL, this policy is widely accepted in the internet community, and implemented by more sites than just XS4ALL. Tomasz Klicki of ICM, University of Warsaw, has since fixed the BGP announcement, so it seems to be working from our end now (i.e. a traceroute to spider1.mimuw.edu.pl succeeds). Michael: if this comes up again, please ask submitters to provide an IP address of the node from which they have tried to connect (in this case, hop 1 from Lukasz' report worked as well, but that wasn't the actual node that he used). The next step is then to do a traceroute to the machine from dinsdale. If this fails, chances are apparently high that it fell through the XS4ALL BGP filter. In the case of the clara.net looking glass, the issue seems more tricky. When tracing to python.org, they use 2001:504:1::A500:6939:1 as hop 1, which is a system that appears to be unreachable from many networks. When connecting elsewhere, they use 2001:A88:0:1::F9, which can be reached from python.org just fine. I've contacted them. Regards, Martin From doug.hellmann at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:37:32 2011 From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:37:32 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] invoicing for Strakt Holdings In-Reply-To: References: <201105261446.p4QEkFhh000826@theraft.openend.se> <201105261900.p4QJ0LSA026175@theraft.openend.se> Message-ID: Pat, This is done. I wasn't able to figure out how to extract the TIFF embedded in the Word file sent by Open End AB, so I took a screenshot of it. If they aren't happy with the results, please ask them to send a PNG file without embedding it in anything else. Doug On Jun 1, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > [text deleted] > > Hi Pydotorg: > > Could you please remove the Sponsor logo and sponsor web url for > Strakt Holdings Inc and replace it with the Sponsor logo and sponsor > web url for Open End AB on this PSF home page: > > http://www.python.org/psf/ > > Please see Open End AB logo and url in the attachment. > > http://www.eutaxia.eu/ > > Thanks, > Pat > > > > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Laura Creighton wrote: > In a message of Thu, 26 May 2011 14:30:32 EDT, Pat Campbell writes: > >--000e0cd17c9a2f54a604a4320440 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >Hi Laura: > > > > > >We thank you for your 2011 contribution to the PSF. I am forwarding your > >request > > > > for an invoice to be sent to Strakt Holdings Inc in the amount of $2000 > >to > >our > > > >treasurer, Kurt Kaiser. > > > > > > > >Also, we will change the Sponsor name to Open End AB. 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> > > >--000e0cd17c9a2f54a604a4320440-- > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.hellmann at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:40:49 2011 From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:40:49 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Change Pending Sponsors to PSF Sponsors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01455056-8B95-48EA-8DB7-E11F16D4774A@gmail.com> This is done. Since there are no longer any "pending" sponsors, I commented that section of the page out. On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hi Pydotorg: > > Could you please remove the pending sponsor status of the > following new PSF Sponsor members: Online Degree Reviews, > Uniblue Systems Ltd., Werbeagentur Berlin, & Zimbio. on this > web page http://www.python.org/psf/ and place them on > the sponsor list above the "pending Sponsor members" list > on the same web page? > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Pat > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.hellmann at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:56:08 2011 From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 08:56:08 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- April 2011 - Please Post Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <220C1E21-75C6-4336-BA83-5D1C472D0011@gmail.com> This is done. I made a few edits to the minutes as delivered to fix the reStructuredText so the output HTML looked "right." I needed to remove extra whitespace at the end of some lines, fix some "bullet lists", and wrap a few lines that began with names. For example, "S. Holden adjourned the meeting at 17:00 UTC." on one line turned into a list and was indented (because the parser thought "S." was an item id). I inserted a new line after "at" to correct that. There were a few other similar changes. On Jun 14, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hello Pydotorg: > > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ at the usual web locations: > please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for > April 2011. > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Pat > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.hellmann at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 15:04:42 2011 From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 09:04:42 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyCon blog In-Reply-To: <4E0934E0.4010405@python-academy.de> References: <6B6E6F6E-40B2-4DD0-A57D-1BDFE0F1A0DA@gmail.com> <4E0934E0.4010405@python-academy.de> Message-ID: Richard, I have granted you admin privileges for the PyCon blog. You should be able to see and modify the site template under the "Design" tab. While you're in there, can you add the links to the other PyCon events Mike mentions below? The conferences that aren't purely Python (Django, Plone, etc.) should be included in a separate sidebar for "Related Conferences." Thanks, Doug On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Mike M?ller wrote: > Am 28.06.2011 02:25, schrieb Richard Jones: >> Thanks! How do I get the conference linked in the sidebar? I can't see >> anything obvious in the blog admin pages I have access to... > > There are few more PyCons missing in the sidebar: > > Finland http://fi.pycon.org/ > Ireland http://python.ie/pyconireland/ > Ukraine http://python.ie/pyconireland/ > > as well as the US state-wide Python conferences: > > PyOhio http://pyohio.org/ > PyTexas http://pytexas.org/ > PyArkansas http://www.pyarkansas.org/ > > and the Django Cons, if they count: > > DjangoCon US http://djangocon.us/ > DjangoCon Europe http://2011.djangocon.eu/ > > same for Plone: > > Plone conf http://www.ploneconf2010.org/ > > or conferences with Python percentage: > > RuPy http://rupy.eu/ > OSCON (commercial) http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011 > > No idea if the last ones should be on the blog. > > Mike > > >> >> >> Richard >> >> On 17 June 2011 19:00, Doug Hellmann wrote: >>> I sent you an invitation to be an author on the blog. Post away! >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2011, at 8:18 PM, Richard Jones wrote: >>> >>>> It's been brought to my attention that there's no mention of PyCon >>>> Australia on the official pycon blog :-) >>>> >>>> Anyone know how I remedy this? >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pydotorg-www mailing list >>>> pydotorg-www at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www From techtonik at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 16:17:10 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 17:17:10 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] planet.python.org resources are 404 Message-ID: http://planet.python.org/ has missing style and JS resources. Which version of planet is it, BTW? -- anatoly t. From mfoord at python.org Sun Jul 3 16:39:02 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 15:39:02 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] planet.python.org resources are 404 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E107F06.9000803@python.org> On 03/07/2011 15:17, anatoly techtonik wrote: > http://planet.python.org/ has missing style and JS resources. Not visibly, can you be more specific? > > Which version of planet is it, BTW? Not sure, sorry. Not very recent probably... Michael > -- > anatoly t. > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From patcam at python.org Sun Jul 3 17:21:09 2011 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:21:09 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Change Pending Sponsors to PSF Sponsors In-Reply-To: <01455056-8B95-48EA-8DB7-E11F16D4774A@gmail.com> References: <01455056-8B95-48EA-8DB7-E11F16D4774A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Doug: Thanks a whole lot. Looks great! On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > This is done. Since there are no longer any "pending" sponsors, I commented > that section of the page out. > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > Hi Pydotorg: > > Could you please remove the pending sponsor *status* of the > following new PSF Sponsor members: Online Degree Reviews > , > Uniblue Systems Ltd. , Werbeagentur Berlin, > & Zimbio . on this > web page http://www.python.org/psf/ and place them on > the sponsor list above the "pending Sponsor members" list > on the same web page? > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Pat > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patcam at python.org Sun Jul 3 17:24:06 2011 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:24:06 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] invoicing for Strakt Holdings In-Reply-To: References: <201105261446.p4QEkFhh000826@theraft.openend.se> <201105261900.p4QJ0LSA026175@theraft.openend.se> Message-ID: Looks good Doug. Thanks, Pat On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Pat, > > This is done. > > I wasn't able to figure out how to extract the TIFF embedded in the Word > file sent by Open End AB, so I took a screenshot of it. If they aren't happy > with the results, please ask them to send a PNG file without embedding it in > anything else. > > Doug > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > [text deleted] >> > > >> Hi Pydotorg: >> >> Could you please remove the Sponsor logo and sponsor web url for >> Strakt Holdings Inc and replace it with the Sponsor logo and sponsor >> web url for Open End AB on this PSF home page: >> >> http://www.python.org/psf/ >> >> Please see Open End AB logo and url in the attachment. >> >> http://www.eutaxia.eu/ >> >> Thanks, >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Laura Creighton wrote: >> >>> In a message of Thu, 26 May 2011 14:30:32 EDT, Pat Campbell writes: >>> >--000e0cd17c9a2f54a604a4320440 >>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> > >>> >Hi Laura: >>> > >>> > >>> >We thank you for your 2011 contribution to the PSF. I am forwarding your >>> >request >>> > >>> > for an invoice to be sent to Strakt Holdings Inc in the amount of $2000 >>> >to >>> >our >>> > >>> >treasurer, Kurt Kaiser. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Also, we will change the Sponsor name to Open End AB. Could you send me >>> t >>> >he >>> > >>> >Open End AB logo that you want placed on the PSF website? >>> >>> can you use the same one that is on pycon 2011? We were a sponsor. >>> It says 'Eutaxia by Open End' >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Laura >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Again, thanks >>> > >>> >Pat >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Laura Creighton >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> 1. We would like to be invoiced for 2,000 USD >>> >> 2. 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>>> >to Open End AB for the purposes ot logo placement on the PSF page.
>>> >Open End AB is a subsidiary of Strakt Holdings, but for advertising
>>> >purposes it is Open End that we wish to make visible and not the
>>> >Holding Company. =A0The holding company wants to pay, though, since
>>> >it is a US company and can save some small amount on taxes this way.
>>> >
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>>> >



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>>> > >>> >--000e0cd17c9a2f54a604a4320440-- >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Pat Campbell >> PSF Administrator/Secretary >> patcam at python.org >> > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patcam at python.org Sun Jul 3 17:42:02 2011 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:42:02 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- April 2011 - Please Post Online In-Reply-To: <220C1E21-75C6-4336-BA83-5D1C472D0011@gmail.com> References: <220C1E21-75C6-4336-BA83-5D1C472D0011@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Doug. I will be sending more request to pydotorg to post items online. Thanks again, for all you do!! Pat On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > This is done. > > I made a few edits to the minutes as delivered to fix the reStructuredText > so the output HTML looked "right." I needed to remove extra whitespace at > the end of some lines, fix some "bullet lists", and wrap a few lines that > began with names. > > For example, "S. Holden adjourned the meeting at 17:00 UTC." on one line > turned into a list and was indented (because the parser thought "S." was an > item id). I inserted a new line after "at" to correct that. There were a few > other similar changes. > > > On Jun 14, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > Hello Pydotorg: > > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ at the usual web > locations: > please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for > April 2011. > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Pat > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Sun Jul 3 18:14:37 2011 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:14:37 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] sync www and pycon.org Message-ID: given nothing is at pycon.org:80, it would be nice if it hit www.pycon.org carl at dc10:~$ host pycon.org pycon.org has address 66.35.62.89 carl at dc10:~$ host www.pycon.org www.pycon.org has address 192.67.63.140 -- Carl K From techtonik at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 19:14:48 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 20:14:48 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] planet.python.org resources are 404 In-Reply-To: <4E107F06.9000803@python.org> References: <4E107F06.9000803@python.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 03/07/2011 15:17, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> http://planet.python.org/ has missing style and JS resources. > > Not visibly, can you be more specific? Get Chrome Open http://planet.python.org/ Press Ctrl-Shift-J (Tools->JavaScript Console) You should see the lines: iotbs2-key-directors-load.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) iotbs2-directors.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) iotbs2-core.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) defaultfonts.cssFailed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) test-graph2.pngFailed to load resource You may need to refresh page. Firefox may be able to output the same info. >> >> Which version of planet is it, BTW? > > Not sure, sorry. Not very recent probably... And who can check and upgrade? -- anatoly t. From techtonik at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 19:17:33 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 20:17:33 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] sync www and pycon.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Speaking about www.pycon.org, where is the archive of materials from the previous conferences? There were some invaluable talks and now I can't find any references. -- anatoly t. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > given nothing is at pycon.org:80, it would be nice if it hit www.pycon.org > > carl at dc10:~$ host pycon.org > pycon.org has address 66.35.62.89 > > carl at dc10:~$ host www.pycon.org > www.pycon.org has address 192.67.63.140 > > > -- > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > From mfoord at python.org Sun Jul 3 20:44:23 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:44:23 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] sync www and pycon.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E10B887.5080405@python.org> On 03/07/2011 17:14, Carl Karsten wrote: > given nothing is at pycon.org:80, it would be nice if it hit www.pycon.org > > carl at dc10:~$ host pycon.org > pycon.org has address 66.35.62.89 > > carl at dc10:~$ host www.pycon.org > www.pycon.org has address 192.67.63.140 > > I don't *think* this list has any responsibility for maintaining pycon.org - although there might be a random person on here who *is* involved. I think pycon-organizers is a better list to ask on. All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From mfoord at python.org Sun Jul 3 20:47:46 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:47:46 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] planet.python.org resources are 404 In-Reply-To: References: <4E107F06.9000803@python.org> Message-ID: <4E10B952.9090808@python.org> On 03/07/2011 18:14, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >> On 03/07/2011 15:17, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>> http://planet.python.org/ has missing style and JS resources. >> Not visibly, can you be more specific? > Get Chrome > Open http://planet.python.org/ > Press Ctrl-Shift-J (Tools->JavaScript Console) > > You should see the lines: > iotbs2-key-directors-load.jsFailed to load resource: the server > responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) > iotbs2-directors.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with > a status of 404 (Not Found) > iotbs2-core.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a > status of 404 (Not Found) > defaultfonts.cssFailed to load resource: the server responded with a > status of 404 (Not Found) > test-graph2.pngFailed to load resource > > You may need to refresh page. Firefox may be able to output the same info. > Ok, thanks for the report. When I get time I'll look into it (unless someone beats me to it). Given my current schedule I can't make any promises about when that will be. :-( >>> Which version of planet is it, BTW? >> Not sure, sorry. Not very recent probably... > And who can check and upgrade? I can check. We wouldn't upgrade without a good reason though. Michael > -- > anatoly t. > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From martin at v.loewis.de Sun Jul 3 20:48:39 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 20:48:39 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] sync www and pycon.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E10B987.9000006@v.loewis.de> Am 03.07.2011 18:14, schrieb Carl Karsten: > given nothing is at pycon.org:80, it would be nice if it hit www.pycon.org > > carl at dc10:~$ host pycon.org > pycon.org has address 66.35.62.89 > > carl at dc10:~$ host www.pycon.org > www.pycon.org has address 192.67.63.140 I believe Marc-Andre is managing the pycon.org DNS. MAL? Regards, Martin From techtonik at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 23:47:44 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 00:47:44 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] planet.python.org resources are 404 In-Reply-To: <4E10B952.9090808@python.org> References: <4E107F06.9000803@python.org> <4E10B952.9090808@python.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 03/07/2011 18:14, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Michael Foord ?wrote: >>> >>> On 03/07/2011 15:17, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>>> >>>> http://planet.python.org/ has missing style and JS resources. >>> >>> Not visibly, can you be more specific? >> >> Get Chrome >> Open http://planet.python.org/ >> Press Ctrl-Shift-J (Tools->JavaScript Console) >> >> You should see the lines: >> iotbs2-key-directors-load.jsFailed to load resource: the server >> responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) >> iotbs2-directors.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with >> a status of 404 (Not Found) >> iotbs2-core.jsFailed to load resource: the server responded with a >> status of 404 (Not Found) >> defaultfonts.cssFailed to load resource: the server responded with a >> status of 404 (Not Found) >> test-graph2.pngFailed to load resource >> >> You may need to refresh page. Firefox may be able to output the same info. >> > > Ok, thanks for the report. When I get time I'll look into it (unless someone > beats me to it). Given my current schedule I can't make any promises about > when that will be. :-( It should be portable to AppEngine. Then server configuration will not be an issue. >>>> Which version of planet is it, BTW? >>> >>> Not sure, sorry. Not very recent probably... >> >> And who can check and upgrade? > > I can check. We wouldn't upgrade without a good reason though. It is hard to say without knowing which part of changelog to look at. -- anatoly t. From mal at egenix.com Tue Jul 5 01:03:27 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 01:03:27 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] sync www and pycon.org In-Reply-To: <4E10B987.9000006@v.loewis.de> References: <4E10B987.9000006@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <4E1246BF.1000005@egenix.com> "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > Am 03.07.2011 18:14, schrieb Carl Karsten: >> given nothing is at pycon.org:80, it would be nice if it hit www.pycon.org >> >> carl at dc10:~$ host pycon.org >> pycon.org has address 66.35.62.89 >> >> carl at dc10:~$ host www.pycon.org >> www.pycon.org has address 192.67.63.140 > > I believe Marc-Andre is managing the pycon.org DNS. MAL? Simply using the same IP address did not work, since the server doesn't appear to have a ServerAlias setup. I've now installed a redirect to the www.pycon.org server from pycon.org. You should see the update in a couple of hours. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 05 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From skip at montanaro.dyndns.org Tue Jul 5 19:23:48 2011 From: skip at montanaro.dyndns.org (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:23:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pydotorg-www] Errors when attempting to undo wiki spam Message-ID: <20110705172348.E0CC216E2299@montanaro.dyndns.org> I sent this out yesterday but saw no response. Maybe the pydotorg list is now defunct? Trying pydotorg-www instead. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Can someone take a look at this problem? I went to fix some spamming of the PythonTraining page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining?action=info (note the three edits after Paul's last change on June 30 - all are spam). When trying to revert to Paul's version I got an Internal Server Error message. Looking at the error log I saw this traceback: [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] Traceback (most recent call last): [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 282, in __call__[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] response = run(context) [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 88, in run [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] response = dispatch(request, context, action_name) [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 136, in dispatch [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] response = handle_action(context, pagename, action_name) [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 195, in handle_action [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] handler(context.page.page_name, context) [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/revert.py", line 107, in execute [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] revert(pagename, request).render()[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/__init__.py", line 214, in render [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] success, self.error = self.do_action()[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/revert.py", line 62, in do_action [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] msg = pg.revertPage(rev, comment)[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py", line 683, in revertPage [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] msg = self.saveText(pg.get_raw_body(), 0, extra=revstr, action="SAVE/REVERT", notify=False, comment=comment) [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py", line 1066, in saveText [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] if not request.user.may.save(self, newtext, rev, **kw):[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/security/antispam.py", line 190, in save [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] raise editor.SaveError(msg) [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] SaveError: Sorry, can not save page because "pbali.com" is not allowed in this wiki. Alas, there was still a reference to pbali.com. I had to edit the page, paste in Paul's last version, go hunting for pbali.com (there were a couple other spam links on the page), then save it. Ignoring for a moment the fact that the PythonTraining page is a complete mess (a perfect place to hide spammish links), can someone fix the wiki so it doesn't crash in this situation but actually displays the message about the failed edit? Thx, Skip From mfoord at python.org Tue Jul 5 19:25:12 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:25:12 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Errors when attempting to undo wiki spam In-Reply-To: <20110705172348.E0CC216E2299@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <20110705172348.E0CC216E2299@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4E1348F8.3090706@python.org> On 05/07/2011 18:23, skip at pobox.com wrote: > I sent this out yesterday but saw no response. Maybe the pydotorg list is > now defunct? Trying pydotorg-www instead. pydotorg-www is the correct list for website issues. pydotorg is only for private things like ssh keys and also where job postings and Planet Python requests go. I can't help you with this though. :-( Michael > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Can someone take a look at this problem? I went to fix some spamming of the > PythonTraining page: > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining?action=info > > (note the three edits after Paul's last change on June 30 - all are spam). > When trying to revert to Paul's version I got an Internal Server Error > message. Looking at the error log I saw this traceback: > > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] Traceback (most recent call last): > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 282, in __call__[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] response = run(context) > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 88, in run > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] response = dispatch(request, context, action_name) > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 136, in dispatch > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] response = handle_action(context, pagename, action_name) > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 195, in handle_action > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] handler(context.page.page_name, context) > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/revert.py", line 107, in execute > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] revert(pagename, request).render()[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/__init__.py", line 214, in render > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] success, self.error = self.do_action()[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/revert.py", line 62, in do_action > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] msg = pg.revertPage(rev, comment)[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py", line 683, in revertPage > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] msg = self.saveText(pg.get_raw_body(), 0, extra=revstr, action="SAVE/REVERT", notify=False, comment=comment) > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py", line 1066, in saveText > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] if not request.user.may.save(self, newtext, rev, **kw):[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/security/antispam.py", line 190, in save > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] raise editor.SaveError(msg) > [Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] SaveError: Sorry, can not save page because "pbali.com" is not allowed in this wiki. > > Alas, there was still a reference to pbali.com. I had to edit the page, > paste in Paul's last version, go hunting for pbali.com (there were a couple > other spam links on the page), then save it. > > Ignoring for a moment the fact that the PythonTraining page is a complete > mess (a perfect place to hide spammish links), can someone fix the wiki so > it doesn't crash in this situation but actually displays the message about > the failed edit? > > Thx, > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From sheep at sheep.art.pl Tue Jul 5 19:33:19 2011 From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 19:33:19 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Errors when attempting to undo wiki spam In-Reply-To: <20110705172348.E0CC216E2299@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <20110705172348.E0CC216E2299@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 19:23, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > I sent this out yesterday but saw no response. ?Maybe the pydotorg list is > now defunct? ?Trying pydotorg-www instead. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Can someone take a look at this problem? ?I went to fix some spamming of the > PythonTraining page: > > ? ?http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining?action=info > > (note the three edits after Paul's last change on June 30 - all are spam). > When trying to revert to Paul's version I got an Internal Server Error > message. ?Looking at the error log I saw this traceback: > > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] Traceback (most recent call last): > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 282, in __call__[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? response = run(context) > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 88, in run > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? response = dispatch(request, context, action_name) > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 136, in dispatch > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? response = handle_action(context, pagename, action_name) > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py", line 195, in handle_action > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? handler(context.page.page_name, context) > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/revert.py", line 107, in execute > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? revert(pagename, request).render()[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/__init__.py", line 214, in render > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? success, self.error = self.do_action()[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/action/revert.py", line 62, in do_action > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? msg = pg.revertPage(rev, comment)[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py", line 683, in revertPage > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? msg = self.saveText(pg.get_raw_body(), 0, extra=revstr, action="SAVE/REVERT", notify=False, comment=comment) > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py", line 1066, in saveText > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? if not request.user.may.save(self, newtext, rev, **kw):[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/MoinMoin/security/antispam.py", line 190, in save > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] ? ? raise editor.SaveError(msg) > ? ?[Mon Jul 04 13:28:28 2011] [error] SaveError: Sorry, can not save page because "pbali.com" is not allowed in this wiki. > > Alas, there was still a reference to pbali.com. ?I had to edit the page, > paste in Paul's last version, go hunting for pbali.com (there were a couple > other spam links on the page), then save it. > > Ignoring for a moment the fact that the PythonTraining page is a complete > mess (a perfect place to hide spammish links), can someone fix the wiki so > it doesn't crash in this situation but actually displays the message about > the failed edit? Looks like a bug in moin 1.9.3, we are looking into it. -- Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl From techtonik at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 19:52:32 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 20:52:32 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Errors when attempting to undo wiki spam In-Reply-To: <4E1348F8.3090706@python.org> References: <20110705172348.E0CC216E2299@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4E1348F8.3090706@python.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 05/07/2011 18:23, skip at pobox.com wrote: >> >> I sent this out yesterday but saw no response. ?Maybe the pydotorg list is >> now defunct? ?Trying pydotorg-www instead. > > pydotorg-www is the correct list for website issues. pydotorg is only for > private things like ssh keys and also where job postings and Planet Python > requests go. I can't help you with this though. :-( Instead of explaining that to everybody, it would be better to just rename pydotorg to pydotorg-internals. -- anatoly t. From brian.curtin at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 19:59:17 2011 From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:59:17 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Errors when attempting to undo wiki spam In-Reply-To: References: <20110705172348.E0CC216E2299@montanaro.dyndns.org> <4E1348F8.3090706@python.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:52, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > > On 05/07/2011 18:23, skip at pobox.com wrote: > >> > >> I sent this out yesterday but saw no response. Maybe the pydotorg list > is > >> now defunct? Trying pydotorg-www instead. > > > > pydotorg-www is the correct list for website issues. pydotorg is only for > > private things like ssh keys and also where job postings and Planet > Python > > requests go. I can't help you with this though. :-( > > Instead of explaining that to everybody, it would be better to just > rename pydotorg to pydotorg-internals. Please don't do this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't help you with this though. :-( >> >> Instead of explaining that to everybody, it would be better to just >> rename pydotorg to pydotorg-internals. > > Please don't do this. Well, apparently, people are too attached to the previous name or.. ..don't want to increase traffic for the pydotorg sake or.. ..feel uncomfortable with the change or.. ..afraid of changes at all or.. ..afraid that somebody will post SSH key to public pydotorg (OMG). Or don't care about people like me so much that don't even dare to explain anything (or summarize their previous arguments FWIW). -- anatoly t. From ncoghlan at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 07:26:38 2011 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:26:38 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] python.org status? Message-ID: www/docs/hg/svn.python.org all appear to be down. (mail/bugs/pypi.python.org all appear to be fine) Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan?? |?? ncoghlan at gmail.com?? |?? Brisbane, Australia From ncoghlan at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 07:29:16 2011 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:29:16 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] python.org status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > www/docs/hg/svn.python.org all appear to be down. > (mail/bugs/pypi.python.org all appear to be fine) Sorry, spoke too soon re. pypi.python.org. It appears it depends on some assets stored on www.python.org, so while it responds to requests, it can't actually load the full page properly. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan?? |?? ncoghlan at gmail.com?? |?? Brisbane, Australia From martin at v.loewis.de Thu Jul 7 08:47:26 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 08:47:26 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] python.org status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E15567E.5020308@v.loewis.de> > www/docs/hg/svn.python.org all appear to be down. > (mail/bugs/pypi.python.org all appear to be fine) I power-cycled dinsdale. Will look later into what might have been the problem. Regards, Martin From mal at egenix.com Thu Jul 7 15:41:59 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:41:59 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [PSF-Members] Europython 2011 Massage Donation Message-ID: <4E15B7A7.7070901@egenix.com> Can we get this fixed somehow on the donations page ? http://www.python.org/psf/donations/ If you're still using the script I wrote a long time ago, you'd only have to change a marshal dump file. Thanks. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSF-Members] Europython 2011 Massage Donation Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:53:15 +0200 From: Fabio Pliger To: PSF Members List One of the Europython 2011 organizers made a mistake when making the donation to the PSF of the fund raised by Rob Collins and his amazing Python Massage Team during the conference. He wrote "Associazione Python Italia" instead of "Europython 2011 Sponsored Massage" as asked by Rob. We are sorry for that and I just wanted to point out here that the entire merit of this donation goes to Rob an his team. They did their job with great passion helping many pythonistas to have fun and relax their muscles before the challenging conference dinner. 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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hello Pydotorg: > > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ at the usual web > locations: > please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for > May 2011. > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Pat > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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On Jul 7, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hello Pydotorg: > > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ at the usual web locations: > please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for > May 2011. > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Pat > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Done. > > On Jul 7, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > Hello Pydotorg: > > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ at the usual web > locations: > please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for > May 2011. > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Pat > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Sat Jul 9 22:04:55 2011 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:04:55 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Please modify the Membership Roster webpage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110709200454.GB20306@panix.com> On Fri, Jul 08, 2011, Pat Campbell wrote: > > Could you please post the following changes on the "membership roster" > web page at http://www.python.org/psf/members/: > > Please *remove* James Tauber's name from the list of "Board of Directors" > since he has resigned and is no longer a board member. Done! Only removed him from board of directors -- please let us know if the membership roster should also get updated. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Looking back over the years, after I learned Python I realized that I never really had enjoyed programming before. From patcam at python.org Sat Jul 9 22:12:08 2011 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:12:08 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Please modify the Membership Roster webpage In-Reply-To: <20110709200454.GB20306@panix.com> References: <20110709200454.GB20306@panix.com> Message-ID: Thanks a whole lot Aahz. On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Fri, Jul 08, 2011, Pat Campbell wrote: > > > > Could you please post the following changes on the "membership roster" > > web page at http://www.python.org/psf/members/: > > > > Please *remove* James Tauber's name from the list of "Board of Directors" > > since he has resigned and is no longer a board member. > > Done! Only removed him from board of directors -- please let us know if > the membership roster should also get updated. > Yes, should only be removed from the board of directors list. Thanks again, Pat > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > Looking back over the years, after I learned Python I realized that I > never really had enjoyed programming before. > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From georg at python.org Mon Jul 11 17:43:26 2011 From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:43:26 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Dead link to documentation on Python main page In-Reply-To: <4E1B0A81.9040702@python.org> References: <2EF26144-B59B-4EF1-9F65-AB623C421CE2@59bits.nl> <4E1B0A81.9040702@python.org> Message-ID: <4E1B1A1E.4030304@python.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 11.07.2011 16:36, schrieb Michael Foord: > > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Dead link to documentation on > Python main page Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:27:57 -0500 From: Ren? van > Oostrum To: webmaster at python.org > > > > Hi, > > http://www.python.org -> Quick Links (3.2.1), Documentation points to > http://http://docs.python.org/3.2.1/, which does not exist. Fixed now. Georg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk4bGh0ACgkQN9GcIYhpnLA8hgCdEIZmOct9yR/o6DVVM0BvBQo5 B5gAmweYcMdm+6x4PAhgJEF4bbd8F0k9 =ytFY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From t.klicki at core.icm.edu.pl Sat Jul 2 02:25:50 2011 From: t.klicki at core.icm.edu.pl (Tomasz Klicki) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 02:25:50 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Routing to 2001:6a0::/32 broken In-Reply-To: <4E0E2845.1060508@xs4all.nl> References: <4E0E1F4A.6020505@v.loewis.de> <4E0E2845.1060508@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4E0E658E.4030705@core.icm.edu.pl> W dniu 01.07.2011 22:04, Miquel van Smoorenburg pisze: > This is a misconfiguration at the University of Warshaw. Ofcourse you > can announce prefixes longer than a /32 .. however you can't assume > everyone is actually going to listen to that. So, in addition to the > smaller prefixes, they should *also* announce the whole /32 . Hello, we've just added announcements of our /32 block in BGP. Please let us know if you still have any connection issues. Kind regards, Tomasz Klicki -- Tomasz Klicki ICM, University of Warsaw t.klicki at core.icm.edu.pl (+48-22) 874 93 93, mob. 664 419 834 http://www.icm.edu.pl/ From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Jul 6 20:04:13 2011 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 13:04:13 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing/de-immutabilitizing wiki page Message-ID: I'd like to edit this page, but it's immutable: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonVsPhp It's kind of out of date at best, but if you want to leave it immutable if I could edit it I'd appreciate it (my username is IanBicking). Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best, Michael On 06/07/2011 19:04, Ian Bicking wrote: > I'd like to edit this page, but it's immutable: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonVsPhp > > It's kind of out of date at best, but if you want to leave it > immutable if I could edit it I'd appreciate it (my username is > IanBicking). > > Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't see >> anything obvious in the blog admin pages I have access to... > > There are few more PyCons missing in the sidebar: > > Finland ? ? ? ? ? ? http://fi.pycon.org/ > Ireland ? ? ? ? ? ? http://python.ie/pyconireland/ > Ukraine ? ? ? ? ? ? http://python.ie/pyconireland/ > > as well as the US state-wide Python conferences: > > PyOhio ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://pyohio.org/ > PyTexas ? ? ? ? ? ? http://pytexas.org/ > PyArkansas ? ? ? ? ?http://www.pyarkansas.org/ I've added these along with PyCon AU, but the flags are hosted at http://www.jahmasta.com/ ... I'll contact jahmasta to see if the missing flags could be added. Richard From doug.hellmann at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 13:53:38 2011 From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:53:38 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyCon blog In-Reply-To: References: <6B6E6F6E-40B2-4DD0-A57D-1BDFE0F1A0DA@gmail.com> <4E0934E0.4010405@python-academy.de> Message-ID: On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:22 AM, Richard Jones wrote: > On 28 June 2011 11:56, Mike M?ller wrote: >> Am 28.06.2011 02:25, schrieb Richard Jones: >>> >>> Thanks! How do I get the conference linked in the sidebar? I can't see >>> anything obvious in the blog admin pages I have access to... >> >> There are few more PyCons missing in the sidebar: >> >> Finland http://fi.pycon.org/ >> Ireland http://python.ie/pyconireland/ >> Ukraine http://python.ie/pyconireland/ >> >> as well as the US state-wide Python conferences: >> >> PyOhio http://pyohio.org/ >> PyTexas http://pytexas.org/ >> PyArkansas http://www.pyarkansas.org/ > > I've added these along with PyCon AU, but the flags are hosted at > http://www.jahmasta.com/ ... I'll contact jahmasta to see if the > missing flags could be added. We could also stick them on python.org (or the new PyCon server, if anyone has access there). Doug From richard at python.org Fri Jul 15 14:02:56 2011 From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 22:02:56 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyCon blog In-Reply-To: References: <6B6E6F6E-40B2-4DD0-A57D-1BDFE0F1A0DA@gmail.com> <4E0934E0.4010405@python-academy.de> Message-ID: On 15 July 2011 21:53, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:22 AM, Richard Jones wrote: > >> On 28 June 2011 11:56, Mike M?ller wrote: >>> Am 28.06.2011 02:25, schrieb Richard Jones: >>>> >>>> Thanks! How do I get the conference linked in the sidebar? I can't see >>>> anything obvious in the blog admin pages I have access to... >>> >>> There are few more PyCons missing in the sidebar: >>> >>> Finland ? ? ? ? ? ? http://fi.pycon.org/ >>> Ireland ? ? ? ? ? ? http://python.ie/pyconireland/ >>> Ukraine ? ? ? ? ? ? http://python.ie/pyconireland/ >>> >>> as well as the US state-wide Python conferences: >>> >>> PyOhio ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://pyohio.org/ >>> PyTexas ? ? ? ? ? ? http://pytexas.org/ >>> PyArkansas ? ? ? ? ?http://www.pyarkansas.org/ >> >> I've added these along with PyCon AU, but the flags are hosted at >> http://www.jahmasta.com/ ... I'll contact jahmasta to see if the >> missing flags could be added. > > We could also stick them on python.org (or the new PyCon server, if anyone has access there). It's all been sorted. Richard From michael at voidspace.org.uk Sat Jul 16 14:35:38 2011 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:35:38 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python.org down Message-ID: <4E21859A.5060802@voidspace.org.uk> Hey all, Python.org and docs.python.org are currently down. pypi.python.org is up, so *some* of our infrastructure is working... All the best, Michael -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From ncoghlan at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 17:12:20 2011 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 01:12:20 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Web server down? Message-ID: The web server appears to have keeled over again: http://www.isup.me/www.python.org Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan?? |?? ncoghlan at gmail.com?? |?? Brisbane, Australia From aahz at pythoncraft.com Sat Jul 16 17:37:35 2011 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:37:35 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Web server down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110716153735.GA29176@panix.com> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > The web server appears to have keeled over again: > http://www.isup.me/www.python.org Ayup, people have been notified. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra From barry at python.org Sat Jul 16 18:16:39 2011 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:16:39 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python.org down In-Reply-To: <4E21859A.5060802@voidspace.org.uk> References: <4E21859A.5060802@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <20110716121639.62904673@resist.wooz.org> On Jul 16, 2011, at 01:35 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >Python.org and docs.python.org are currently down. pypi.python.org is up, so >*some* of our infrastructure is working... dinsdale is unresponsive to ssh, and I don't remember how to get the machine power cycled. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Forwarded to appropriate parties. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra From thomas at python.org Sat Jul 16 23:50:46 2011 From: thomas at python.org (Thomas Wouters) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:50:46 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python.org down In-Reply-To: <20110716171215.GB17182@panix.com> References: <4E21859A.5060802@voidspace.org.uk> <20110716121639.62904673@resist.wooz.org> <20110716171215.GB17182@panix.com> Message-ID: For the record, I powercycled it and it came back up some twenty minutes ago. I can't see any particular reason why it hung in the first place, but the serial console was completely unresponsive so it must've been a hard lockup of some kind. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 19:12, Aahz wrote: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2011, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2011, at 01:35 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > >> > >>Python.org and docs.python.org are currently down. pypi.python.org is > up, so > >>*some* of our infrastructure is working... > > > > dinsdale is unresponsive to ssh, and I don't remember how to get the > machine > > power cycled. > > Forwarded to appropriate parties. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not > start writing it." --Dijkstra > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra From cmclaughlin at atlassian.com Tue Jul 19 07:49:13 2011 From: cmclaughlin at atlassian.com (Charles McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:49:13 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Volunteer Message-ID: Hi, I noticed python.org was down a couple times recently and I wondered if you guys need any more volunteers to help with infrastructure. I'm the sysadmin at bitbucket.org. No guarantees without knowing what I'm getting myself into, but in addition to some of my time we might also be able to donate servers, hosting, bandwidth, etc if that would help. Regards, Charles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can also reach them directly at infrastructure at python.org -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra From doug.hellmann at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 16:13:34 2011 From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:13:34 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Volunteer In-Reply-To: <20110719140349.GA29631@panix.com> References: <20110719140349.GA29631@panix.com> Message-ID: <3DCF9449-57C5-4369-912B-3467080F11E3@gmail.com> I've replied to Charles off-list. The board is doing preliminary research into other hosting options, and if we have people offering help we want to consider them. Thanks, Doug On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Aahz wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011, Charles McLaughlin wrote: >> >> I noticed python.org was down a couple times recently and I wondered if you >> guys need any more volunteers to help with infrastructure. I'm the sysadmin >> at bitbucket.org. No guarantees without knowing what I'm getting myself >> into, but in addition to some of my time we might also be able to donate >> servers, hosting, bandwidth, etc if that would help. > > Thanks for the offer, we already have good hosting donated by XS4ALL. > > Volunteer time is of course more precious and we never have enough. I > think probably the best place to discuss your offer would be the > Infrastructure Committee, I'm forwarding it to them. You can also reach > them directly at infrastructure at python.org > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not > start writing it." --Dijkstra > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www From amk at amk.ca Wed Jul 20 19:17:57 2011 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:17:57 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] DNS change: remove maxx.python.org Message-ID: <20110720171757.GA7936@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net> Please remove the DNS record for maxx.python.org. Thanks! (The PSF is no longer using MatrixMaxx for recording the association's data, and today is my last day at Matrix, so there's no longer any use for the hostname.) --amk From patcam at python.org Wed Jul 20 21:44:59 2011 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:44:59 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?New_Members_to_Membership_Roster_?= =?windows-1252?q?Web_Page_=96_Please_Add?= Message-ID: Hi Pydotorg Team: Please add the July 2011 new members to the members? web page at http://www.python.org/psf/members/ *July 2011 - New Nominated Members:* Giovanni Bajo Massimo DiPierro Mike Driscoll Alex Gaynor Asheesh Laroia Jessica McKellar Tetsuya Morimoto Paulo Nuin Audrey Roy Gavin M. 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Don't you think that with Facebook and G+ and Gravatars and etc. plain text list of names without pictures is boring? -- anatoly t. From patcam at python.org Wed Jul 20 23:04:07 2011 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:04:07 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?New_Members_to_Membership_Roster_?= =?windows-1252?q?Web_Page_=96_Please_Add?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Anatoly: Very good question. I can live with the list. However, pictures would be nice. I would like to forward your question on to the board. Thanks, Pat On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:57 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > Hi Pydotorg Team: > > > > > > > > Please add the July 2011 new members to the members? web page at > > > > > > > > http://www.python.org/psf/members/ > > > > > > > > July 2011 - New Nominated Members: > > > > > > > > Giovanni Bajo > > > > Massimo DiPierro > > > > Mike Driscoll > > > > Alex Gaynor > > > > Asheesh Laroia > > > > Jessica McKellar > > > > Tetsuya Morimoto > > > > Paulo Nuin > > > > Audrey Roy > > > > Gavin M. Roy > > > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > I have a question. May I? > > Don't you think that with Facebook and G+ and Gravatars and etc. plain > text list of names without pictures is boring? > > -- > anatoly t. > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 13:58:56 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:58:56 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?q?New_Members_to_Membership_Roster_Web_Pag?= =?utf-8?q?e_=E2=80=93_Please_Add?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hi Anatoly: > > Very good question. I can live with the list. However, pictures would be > nice. > I would like to forward your question on to the board. Feel free to do this. ;) -- anatoly t. > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:57 PM, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: >> > Hi Pydotorg Team: >> > >> > >> > >> > Please add the July 2011 new members to the members? web page at >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.python.org/psf/members/ >> > >> > >> > >> > July 2011 - New Nominated Members: >> > >> > >> > >> > Giovanni Bajo >> > >> > Massimo DiPierro >> > >> > Mike Driscoll >> > >> > Alex Gaynor >> > >> > Asheesh Laroia >> > >> > Jessica McKellar >> > >> > Tetsuya Morimoto >> > >> > Paulo Nuin >> > >> > Audrey Roy >> > >> > Gavin M. Roy >> > >> > If you have any questions, please let me know. >> >> I have a question. May I? >> >> Don't you think that with Facebook and G+ and Gravatars and etc. plain >> text list of names without pictures is boring? >> >> -- >> anatoly t. > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > From ncoghlan at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 14:14:27 2011 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:14:27 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] python.org... Message-ID: ...appears to have fallen over again. It seems to have been doing that a lot in the last week or two - is there something wrong with the server? Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan?? |?? ncoghlan at gmail.com?? |?? Brisbane, Australia From solipsis at pitrou.net Thu Jul 21 14:23:36 2011 From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pydotorg-www] Issues on dinsdale? Message-ID: Hello, So, dinsdale seems to have become very slow again. I can't login by ssh on it: $ ssh dinsdale.python.org ssh: connect to host dinsdale.python.org port 22: Network is unreachable Here is a traceroute from a well-connected machine: # traceroute dinsdale.python.org traceroute to dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 vl2001-swr601-vmr-stdenis.vmr.nerim.net (195.5.228.255) 0.640 ms 1.036 ms 1.214 ms 2 gi1-12-800-nb-stdenis-2.nerim.net (194.79.128.242) 0.940 ms 1.028 ms 1.116 ms 3 te2-2-94-nb-voltaire-1.nerim.net (194.79.131.89) 1.229 ms 1.227 ms 1.330 ms 4 gi0-1-giaco.nerim.net (194.79.131.78) 9.802 ms 9.801 ms 9.829 ms 5 ams-ix.tc2.xs4all.net (195.69.144.166) 10.393 ms 115.720 ms 116.014 ms 6 0.so-2-0-0.xr4.1d12.xs4all.net (194.109.5.9) 10.368 ms 10.150 ms 10.690 ms 7 te5-4.swcolo2.3d12.xs4all.net (194.109.12.34) 11.195 ms 10.703 ms 11.181 ms 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * # tcptraceroute dinsdale.python.org 80 traceroute to dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 vl2001-swr601-vmr-stdenis.vmr.nerim.net (195.5.228.255) 0.657 ms 1.066 ms 1.236 ms 2 gi1-12-800-nb-stdenis-2.nerim.net (194.79.128.242) 0.611 ms 0.823 ms 0.815 ms 3 te2-2-94-nb-voltaire-1.nerim.net (194.79.131.89) 0.977 ms 1.040 ms 1.206 ms 4 gi0-1-giaco.nerim.net (194.79.131.78) 9.696 ms 9.689 ms 9.681 ms 5 ams-ix.tc2.xs4all.net (195.69.144.166) 10.456 ms 10.436 ms 10.438 ms 6 0.so-2-0-0.xr4.1d12.xs4all.net (194.109.5.9) 10.397 ms 10.245 ms 10.193 ms 7 te5-4.swcolo2.3d12.xs4all.net (194.109.12.34) 10.365 ms 10.494 ms 10.385 ms 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * Regards Antoine. From martin at v.loewis.de Thu Jul 21 23:20:58 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:20:58 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] DNS change: remove maxx.python.org In-Reply-To: <20110720171757.GA7936@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net> References: <20110720171757.GA7936@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net> Message-ID: <4E28983A.7050101@v.loewis.de> Am 20.07.2011 19:17, schrieb A.M. Kuchling: > Please remove the DNS record for maxx.python.org. Thanks! Done! Martin From georg at python.org Sun Jul 24 11:13:04 2011 From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:13:04 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org Message-ID: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, once again python.org is either very unresponsive or dead. Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be some kind of attack? Georg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk4r4iAACgkQN9GcIYhpnLCYBgCgrDcF0SVwExHuKniUGziiKuYk ELAAn1h8IYpgFf/Ug5Ipj96cm9hh9eco =4n10 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From solipsis at pitrou.net Sun Jul 24 15:37:37 2011 From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> Message-ID: Georg Brandl writes: > > Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully > from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be > some kind of attack? It looks like power-cycling privileges should be given to more people (Georg for example :-)), to avoid potentially long outages likes this. Regards Antoine. From thomas at python.org Sun Jul 24 20:19:48 2011 From: thomas at python.org (Thomas Wouters) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:19:48 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:37, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Georg Brandl writes: > > > > Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully > > from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be > > some kind of attack? > > It looks like power-cycling privileges should be given to more people > (Georg for > example :-)), to avoid potentially long outages likes this. > The problem isn't really 'powercycle privileges', but 'sysadmins looking after the machines' (the former should come with the latter.) I haven't been involved with the setup and maintenance of these machines, and I shouldn't be the only one who can powercycle them -- everyone with root on the machine really should be able to, and everyone on roto-rooters at wooz.org(the non-python.org list of admins) has received instructions at one point or another (actually, multiple times now.) -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't > been involved with the setup and maintenance of these machines, and I > shouldn't be the only one who can powercycle them -- everyone with root on > the machine really should be able to, and everyone on > roto-rooters at wooz.org (the non-python.org list of admins) has received > instructions at one point or another (actually, multiple times now.) > Barry, it seems many people with root access on (at least) dinsdale aren't on roto-rooters. We should probably fix that, and make sure everyone is added to ~psf/.ssh/authorized_keys on xs4all.nl so they can access the remote console/powerswitch as well (unless they have a reason not to want that access, I guess.) -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thomas Wouters wrote: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:19, Thomas Wouters wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:37, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >>> Georg Brandl writes: >>>> >>>> Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully >>>> from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be >>>> some kind of attack? >>> >>> It looks like power-cycling privileges should be given to more people >>> (Georg for >>> example :-)), to avoid potentially long outages likes this. >>> >> >> The problem isn't really 'powercycle privileges', but 'sysadmins looking >> after the machines' (the former should come with the latter.) I haven't >> been involved with the setup and maintenance of these machines, and I >> shouldn't be the only one who can powercycle them -- everyone with root on >> the machine really should be able to, and everyone on >> roto-rooters at wooz.org (the non-python.org list of admins) has received >> instructions at one point or another (actually, multiple times now.) >> > > > Barry, it seems many people with root access on (at least) dinsdale aren't > on roto-rooters. We should probably fix that, and make sure everyone is > added to ~psf/.ssh/authorized_keys on xs4all.nl so they can access the > remote console/powerswitch as well (unless they have a reason not to want > that access, I guess.) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jul 25 10:59:31 2011 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:59:31 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> Message-ID: <20110725085931.GY32539@charite.de> Done * M.-A. Lemburg : > Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive > of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? > > I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak > to the Internnet via search engines. > > Thanks. > > Thomas Wouters wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:19, Thomas Wouters wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:37, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> > >>> Georg Brandl writes: > >>>> > >>>> Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully > >>>> from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be > >>>> some kind of attack? > >>> > >>> It looks like power-cycling privileges should be given to more people > >>> (Georg for > >>> example :-)), to avoid potentially long outages likes this. > >>> > >> > >> The problem isn't really 'powercycle privileges', but 'sysadmins looking > >> after the machines' (the former should come with the latter.) I haven't > >> been involved with the setup and maintenance of these machines, and I > >> shouldn't be the only one who can powercycle them -- everyone with root on > >> the machine really should be able to, and everyone on > >> roto-rooters at wooz.org (the non-python.org list of admins) has received > >> instructions at one point or another (actually, multiple times now.) > >> > > > > > > Barry, it seems many people with root access on (at least) dinsdale aren't > > on roto-rooters. We should probably fix that, and make sure everyone is > > added to ~psf/.ssh/authorized_keys on xs4all.nl so they can access the > > remote console/powerswitch as well (unless they have a reason not to want > > that access, I guess.) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pydotorg-www mailing list > > pydotorg-www at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) > >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ > >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: > > > eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg > Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 > http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- Ralf Hildebrandt Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de From mfoord at python.org Mon Jul 25 11:01:02 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:01:02 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive > of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? > > I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak > to the Internnet via search engines. The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. Michael > > Thanks. > > Thomas Wouters wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:19, Thomas Wouters wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:37, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>> >>>> Georg Brandl writes: >>>>> Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully >>>>> from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be >>>>> some kind of attack? >>>> It looks like power-cycling privileges should be given to more people >>>> (Georg for >>>> example :-)), to avoid potentially long outages likes this. >>>> >>> The problem isn't really 'powercycle privileges', but 'sysadmins looking >>> after the machines' (the former should come with the latter.) I haven't >>> been involved with the setup and maintenance of these machines, and I >>> shouldn't be the only one who can powercycle them -- everyone with root on >>> the machine really should be able to, and everyone on >>> roto-rooters at wooz.org (the non-python.org list of admins) has received >>> instructions at one point or another (actually, multiple times now.) >>> >> >> Barry, it seems many people with root access on (at least) dinsdale aren't >> on roto-rooters. We should probably fix that, and make sure everyone is >> added to ~psf/.ssh/authorized_keys on xs4all.nl so they can access the >> remote console/powerswitch as well (unless they have a reason not to want >> that access, I guess.) >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From mal at egenix.com Mon Jul 25 11:10:05 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:10:05 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> Message-ID: <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> Hi Michael, Michael Foord wrote: > On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >> >> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >> to the Internnet via search engines. > > The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private > information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. I was only talking about the archives, not making it a private list altogether. > Michael >> >> Thanks. >> >> Thomas Wouters wrote: >>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:19, Thomas Wouters wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:37, Antoine Pitrou >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Georg Brandl writes: >>>>>> Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully >>>>>> from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be >>>>>> some kind of attack? >>>>> It looks like power-cycling privileges should be given to more people >>>>> (Georg for >>>>> example :-)), to avoid potentially long outages likes this. >>>>> >>>> The problem isn't really 'powercycle privileges', but 'sysadmins >>>> looking >>>> after the machines' (the former should come with the latter.) I >>>> haven't >>>> been involved with the setup and maintenance of these machines, and I >>>> shouldn't be the only one who can powercycle them -- everyone with >>>> root on >>>> the machine really should be able to, and everyone on >>>> roto-rooters at wooz.org (the non-python.org list of admins) has received >>>> instructions at one point or another (actually, multiple times now.) >>>> >>> >>> Barry, it seems many people with root access on (at least) dinsdale >>> aren't >>> on roto-rooters. We should probably fix that, and make sure everyone is >>> added to ~psf/.ssh/authorized_keys on xs4all.nl so they can access the >>> remote console/powerswitch as well (unless they have a reason not to >>> want >>> that access, I guess.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pydotorg-www mailing list >>> pydotorg-www at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From mal at egenix.com Mon Jul 25 11:10:17 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:10:17 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <20110725085931.GY32539@charite.de> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <20110725085931.GY32539@charite.de> Message-ID: <4E2D32F9.9000700@egenix.com> Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > Done Thanks. > * M.-A. Lemburg : >> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >> >> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >> to the Internnet via search engines. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Thomas Wouters wrote: >>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:19, Thomas Wouters wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:37, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>>> >>>>> Georg Brandl writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully >>>>>> from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be >>>>>> some kind of attack? >>>>> >>>>> It looks like power-cycling privileges should be given to more people >>>>> (Georg for >>>>> example :-)), to avoid potentially long outages likes this. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The problem isn't really 'powercycle privileges', but 'sysadmins looking >>>> after the machines' (the former should come with the latter.) I haven't >>>> been involved with the setup and maintenance of these machines, and I >>>> shouldn't be the only one who can powercycle them -- everyone with root on >>>> the machine really should be able to, and everyone on >>>> roto-rooters at wooz.org (the non-python.org list of admins) has received >>>> instructions at one point or another (actually, multiple times now.) >>>> >>> >>> >>> Barry, it seems many people with root access on (at least) dinsdale aren't >>> on roto-rooters. We should probably fix that, and make sure everyone is >>> added to ~psf/.ssh/authorized_keys on xs4all.nl so they can access the >>> remote console/powerswitch as well (unless they have a reason not to want >>> that access, I guess.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pydotorg-www mailing list >>> pydotorg-www at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> >> -- >> Marc-Andre Lemburg >> eGenix.com >> >> Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: >> >> >> eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 >> D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg >> Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 >> http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jul 25 11:17:09 2011 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:17:09 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D32F9.9000700@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <20110725085931.GY32539@charite.de> <4E2D32F9.9000700@egenix.com> Message-ID: <20110725091708.GB32539@charite.de> * M.-A. Lemburg : > Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > > Done > > Thanks. I disabled it again. We should discuss this. Public Archives or not? -- Ralf Hildebrandt Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de From mfoord at python.org Mon Jul 25 12:29:27 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:29:27 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> On 25/07/2011 10:10, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Michael Foord wrote: >> On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >>> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >>> >>> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >>> to the Internnet via search engines. >> The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private >> information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. > I was only talking about the archives, not making it a private > list altogether. Sure, but losing public archives, and the ability to use search engines to search the archives is a big loss. We don't make the archives of other public lists private because someone sent an email they shouldn't have done - in fact we generally refuse to even remove those emails from the archive. The detail revealed in this email isn't critical, and I don't think we should lose public archives because of it. All the best, Michael > >> Michael >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Thomas Wouters wrote: >>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:19, Thomas Wouters wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:37, Antoine Pitrou >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Georg Brandl writes: >>>>>>> Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully >>>>>>> from now on until we found out what the cause is? Could it be >>>>>>> some kind of attack? >>>>>> It looks like power-cycling privileges should be given to more people >>>>>> (Georg for >>>>>> example :-)), to avoid potentially long outages likes this. >>>>>> >>>>> The problem isn't really 'powercycle privileges', but 'sysadmins >>>>> looking >>>>> after the machines' (the former should come with the latter.) I >>>>> haven't >>>>> been involved with the setup and maintenance of these machines, and I >>>>> shouldn't be the only one who can powercycle them -- everyone with >>>>> root on >>>>> the machine really should be able to, and everyone on >>>>> roto-rooters at wooz.org (the non-python.org list of admins) has received >>>>> instructions at one point or another (actually, multiple times now.) >>>>> >>>> Barry, it seems many people with root access on (at least) dinsdale >>>> aren't >>>> on roto-rooters. We should probably fix that, and make sure everyone is >>>> added to ~psf/.ssh/authorized_keys on xs4all.nl so they can access the >>>> remote console/powerswitch as well (unless they have a reason not to >>>> want >>>> that access, I guess.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pydotorg-www mailing list >>>> pydotorg-www at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From mal at egenix.com Mon Jul 25 12:52:35 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:52:35 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> Message-ID: <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> Michael Foord wrote: > On 25/07/2011 10:10, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> Hi Michael, >> >> Michael Foord wrote: >>> On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >>>> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >>>> >>>> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >>>> to the Internnet via search engines. >>> The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private >>> information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. >> I was only talking about the archives, not making it a private >> list altogether. > Sure, but losing public archives, and the ability to use search engines > to search the archives is a big loss. > > We don't make the archives of other public lists private because someone > sent an email they shouldn't have done - in fact we generally refuse to > even remove those emails from the archive. Right, but this mailing list is special in the sense that it discusses an important piece of the Python infrastructure. Unlike other mailing lists where such leakage usually only has impact on the one accidentally sending it, it can cause potential harm to the PSF servers in case of this list. BTW: How often do you actually search on this mailing list ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From mfoord at python.org Mon Jul 25 13:00:54 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:00:54 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> On 25/07/2011 11:52, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Michael Foord wrote: >> On 25/07/2011 10:10, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> Michael Foord wrote: >>>> On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>>> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >>>>> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >>>>> >>>>> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >>>>> to the Internnet via search engines. >>>> The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private >>>> information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. >>> I was only talking about the archives, not making it a private >>> list altogether. >> Sure, but losing public archives, and the ability to use search engines >> to search the archives is a big loss. >> >> We don't make the archives of other public lists private because someone >> sent an email they shouldn't have done - in fact we generally refuse to >> even remove those emails from the archive. > Right, but this mailing list is special in the sense that it > discusses an important piece of the Python infrastructure. > > Unlike other mailing lists where such leakage usually only has impact > on the one accidentally sending it, it can cause potential harm to > the PSF servers in case of this list. Does the information leaked present a real risk? I have a very strong preference for keeping the archives public unless we absolutely have to. I'd rather offending messages were scrubbed from the archive than the list archives made private. > BTW: How often do you actually search on this mailing list ? > What I often do is browse the archives, having to log in is a nuisance. I also link to discussions on the list - making them private effectively prevents that as people have to join the list just to view the archives. Occasionally when I can't find a particular discussion I use search to find it. All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From mal at egenix.com Mon Jul 25 13:26:59 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:26:59 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> Message-ID: <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> Michael Foord wrote: > On 25/07/2011 11:52, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> Michael Foord wrote: >>> On 25/07/2011 10:10, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> Michael Foord wrote: >>>>> On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>>>> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >>>>>> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >>>>>> to the Internnet via search engines. >>>>> The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private >>>>> information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. >>>> I was only talking about the archives, not making it a private >>>> list altogether. >>> Sure, but losing public archives, and the ability to use search engines >>> to search the archives is a big loss. >>> >>> We don't make the archives of other public lists private because someone >>> sent an email they shouldn't have done - in fact we generally refuse to >>> even remove those emails from the archive. >> Right, but this mailing list is special in the sense that it >> discusses an important piece of the Python infrastructure. >> >> Unlike other mailing lists where such leakage usually only has impact >> on the one accidentally sending it, it can cause potential harm to >> the PSF servers in case of this list. > > Does the information leaked present a real risk? If you look through the archives, it's very easy to find out about the infrastructure setup being used to run python.org. Take e.g. this thread as example: http://markmail.org/thread/kcxkjbesmbweaaj6#query:+page:1+mid:kcxkjbesmbweaaj6+state:results Thomas' email has revealed more information in that direction. It's not a direct risk, though. > I have a very strong > preference for keeping the archives public unless we absolutely have to. > I'd rather offending messages were scrubbed from the archive than the > list archives made private. That's not possible, I'm afraid, since the list archives on python.org are not only being picked up by Google, but also other sites which then co-host them, e.g. http://markmail.org/search/?q=pydotorg-www#query:pydotorg-www list%3Aorg.python.pydotorg-www+page:1+state:facets http://www.mail-archive.com/pydotorg-www at python.org/info.html http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pydotorg-www >> BTW: How often do you actually search on this mailing list ? >> > > What I often do is browse the archives, having to log in is a nuisance. > I also link to discussions on the list - making them private effectively > prevents that as people have to join the list just to view the > archives. Occasionally when I can't find a particular discussion I use > search to find it. Well, then what do you recommend to keep such infos off the net ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From chris at simplistix.co.uk Mon Jul 25 13:35:29 2011 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:35:29 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> Message-ID: <4E2D5501.2030605@simplistix.co.uk> On 25/07/2011 11:29, Michael Foord wrote: > On 25/07/2011 10:10, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> Hi Michael, >> >> Michael Foord wrote: >>> On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >>>> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >>>> >>>> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >>>> to the Internnet via search engines. >>> The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private >>> information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. >> I was only talking about the archives, not making it a private >> list altogether. > Sure, but losing public archives, and the ability to use search engines > to search the archives is a big loss. > > We don't make the archives of other public lists private because someone > sent an email they shouldn't have done - in fact we generally refuse to > even remove those emails from the archive. > > The detail revealed in this email isn't critical, and I don't think we > should lose public archives because of it. +1 Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From solipsis at pitrou.net Mon Jul 25 13:38:27 2011 From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> Message-ID: M.-A. Lemburg writes: > > If you look through the archives, it's very easy to find out about > the infrastructure setup being used to run python.org. Take e.g. > this thread as example: > > http://markmail.org/thread/kcxkjbesmbweaaj6#query:+page:1+mid:kcxkjbesmbweaaj6+state:results I'm not sure what is sensitive in that thread. Any determined attacker can certainly get that information (and much more) by themselves. All in all, I agree with Michael. It is important that people can know easily if a problem has been reported or not, without having to subscribe or log in. It is also important to know if problems are being acted upon, again without having to subscribe. Obviously, sensitive information should only be communicated privately, but that shouldn't rule out the existence of a public channel. Regards Antoine. From mfoord at python.org Mon Jul 25 13:39:45 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:39:45 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E2D5601.7030605@python.org> On 25/07/2011 12:26, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Michael Foord wrote: >> On 25/07/2011 11:52, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> Michael Foord wrote: >>>> On 25/07/2011 10:10, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>> >>>>> Michael Foord wrote: >>>>>> On 25/07/2011 09:56, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>>>>> Could one of the list admins please turn the list archive >>>>>>> of the pydotorg-www list into a private one ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think it's a good idea to let our setup information leak >>>>>>> to the Internnet via search engines. >>>>>> The *point* of pydotorg-www is that it is a public list. Private >>>>>> information should be sent to pydotorg not pydotorg-www. >>>>> I was only talking about the archives, not making it a private >>>>> list altogether. >>>> Sure, but losing public archives, and the ability to use search engines >>>> to search the archives is a big loss. >>>> >>>> We don't make the archives of other public lists private because someone >>>> sent an email they shouldn't have done - in fact we generally refuse to >>>> even remove those emails from the archive. >>> Right, but this mailing list is special in the sense that it >>> discusses an important piece of the Python infrastructure. >>> >>> Unlike other mailing lists where such leakage usually only has impact >>> on the one accidentally sending it, it can cause potential harm to >>> the PSF servers in case of this list. >> Does the information leaked present a real risk? > If you look through the archives, it's very easy to find out about > the infrastructure setup being used to run python.org. Take e.g. > this thread as example: > > http://markmail.org/thread/kcxkjbesmbweaaj6#query:+page:1+mid:kcxkjbesmbweaaj6+state:results > > Thomas' email has revealed more information in that direction. > It's not a direct risk, though. > >> I have a very strong >> preference for keeping the archives public unless we absolutely have to. >> I'd rather offending messages were scrubbed from the archive than the >> list archives made private. > That's not possible, I'm afraid, since the list archives on python.org > are not only being picked up by Google, but also other sites which > then co-host them, e.g. > > http://markmail.org/search/?q=pydotorg-www#query:pydotorg-www > list%3Aorg.python.pydotorg-www+page:1+state:facets > http://www.mail-archive.com/pydotorg-www at python.org/info.html > http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pydotorg-www > That's only if the archives are left long enough for the spiders to pick them up. Not guaranteed to prevent information leakage but may be sufficient in individual cases. >>> BTW: How often do you actually search on this mailing list ? >>> >> What I often do is browse the archives, having to log in is a nuisance. >> I also link to discussions on the list - making them private effectively >> prevents that as people have to join the list just to view the >> archives. Occasionally when I can't find a particular discussion I use >> search to find it. > Well, then what do you recommend to keep such infos off the net ? > Not posting them to a public list! Plus having policies and security infrastructure in place that does not allow harm due to accidental revealing of information. This could just as easily have been posted to python-list or some other public list, we should have policies in place to cope with this. Whatever those policies are should apply to this list. Michael -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From mal at egenix.com Mon Jul 25 14:18:37 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:18:37 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D5601.7030605@python.org> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2D5601.7030605@python.org> Message-ID: <4E2D5F1D.9080701@egenix.com> Michael Foord wrote: > On 25/07/2011 12:26, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> I have a very strong >>> preference for keeping the archives public unless we absolutely have to. >>> I'd rather offending messages were scrubbed from the archive than the >>> list archives made private. >> That's not possible, I'm afraid, since the list archives on python.org >> are not only being picked up by Google, but also other sites which >> then co-host them, e.g. >> >> http://markmail.org/search/?q=pydotorg-www#query:pydotorg-www >> list%3Aorg.python.pydotorg-www+page:1+state:facets >> http://www.mail-archive.com/pydotorg-www at python.org/info.html >> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pydotorg-www >> > That's only if the archives are left long enough for the spiders to pick > them up. Not guaranteed to prevent information leakage but may be > sufficient in individual cases. It seems that those sites are directly signed up to the mailing list, so there is no lag which could be used to scrub such messages. Making the archives private wouldn't solve this either. >>>> BTW: How often do you actually search on this mailing list ? >>>> >>> What I often do is browse the archives, having to log in is a nuisance. >>> I also link to discussions on the list - making them private effectively >>> prevents that as people have to join the list just to view the >>> archives. Occasionally when I can't find a particular discussion I use >>> search to find it. >> Well, then what do you recommend to keep such infos off the net ? >> > Not posting them to a public list! Plus having policies and security > infrastructure in place that does not allow harm due to accidental > revealing of information. > > This could just as easily have been posted to python-list or some other > public list, we should have policies in place to cope with this. > Whatever those policies are should apply to this list. True. I'm just not sure how this could be done, though. The only way appears to be moderation, but that's not really feasible without a whole team of moderators. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From mfoord at python.org Mon Jul 25 14:27:55 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:27:55 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D5F1D.9080701@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2D5601.7030605@python.org> <4E2D5F1D.9080701@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E2D614B.10202@python.org> On 25/07/2011 13:18, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Michael Foord wrote: >> On 25/07/2011 12:26, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>>> I have a very strong >>>> preference for keeping the archives public unless we absolutely have to. >>>> I'd rather offending messages were scrubbed from the archive than the >>>> list archives made private. >>> That's not possible, I'm afraid, since the list archives on python.org >>> are not only being picked up by Google, but also other sites which >>> then co-host them, e.g. >>> >>> http://markmail.org/search/?q=pydotorg-www#query:pydotorg-www >>> list%3Aorg.python.pydotorg-www+page:1+state:facets >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/pydotorg-www at python.org/info.html >>> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pydotorg-www >>> >> That's only if the archives are left long enough for the spiders to pick >> them up. Not guaranteed to prevent information leakage but may be >> sufficient in individual cases. > It seems that those sites are directly signed up to the mailing > list, so there is no lag which could be used to scrub such > messages. > > Making the archives private wouldn't solve this either. Ok. >>>>> BTW: How often do you actually search on this mailing list ? >>>>> >>>> What I often do is browse the archives, having to log in is a nuisance. >>>> I also link to discussions on the list - making them private effectively >>>> prevents that as people have to join the list just to view the >>>> archives. Occasionally when I can't find a particular discussion I use >>>> search to find it. >>> Well, then what do you recommend to keep such infos off the net ? >>> >> Not posting them to a public list! Plus having policies and security >> infrastructure in place that does not allow harm due to accidental >> revealing of information. >> >> This could just as easily have been posted to python-list or some other >> public list, we should have policies in place to cope with this. >> Whatever those policies are should apply to this list. > True. I'm just not sure how this could be done, though. The only > way appears to be moderation, but that's not really feasible without > a whole team of moderators. > I meant policies to deal with the results of actual information leakage (plus "social policies" to prevent it happening) - not moderating every message to every public list we run! Michael -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From aahz at pythoncraft.com Mon Jul 25 15:28:20 2011 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:28:20 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] pydotorg-www archives In-Reply-To: <4E2D5501.2030605@simplistix.co.uk> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D5501.2030605@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <20110725132820.GA19466@panix.com> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011, Chris Withers wrote: > On 25/07/2011 11:29, Michael Foord wrote: >> >>We don't make the archives of other public lists private because someone >>sent an email they shouldn't have done - in fact we generally refuse to >>even remove those emails from the archive. >> >>The detail revealed in this email isn't critical, and I don't think we >>should lose public archives because of it. > > +1 After reading the whole thread so far, also +1. From my POV, there's a separate debate about whether we should have a public mailing list at all (which I'm completely neutral about), but given a public mailing list, the archives should be public. There's no reason to force someone to sign up for the list just to read past discussions. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra From techtonik at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 17:01:49 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:01:49 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > once again python.org is either very unresponsive or dead. > > Do we have the resources to monitor it a little more carefully > from now on until we found out what the cause is? ?Could it be > some kind of attack? I setup a basic monitor on https://pydotorg.appspot.com/ that measures latency or records failure if python.org fails to respond within 7 seconds. I planned to add some charts to it, but run out of time. If anybody can help to do this probably using http://imagecharteditor.appspot.com/ - I'll export data in required format. The samples are taken every minute starting from today. -- anatoly t. From martin at v.loewis.de Mon Jul 25 20:38:34 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:38:34 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> > If you look through the archives, it's very easy to find out about > the infrastructure setup being used to run python.org. Take e.g. > this thread as example: > > http://markmail.org/thread/kcxkjbesmbweaaj6#query:+page:1+mid:kcxkjbesmbweaaj6+state:results This information is also published in the Wiki, and deliberately so. There is nothing secret about the setup of python.org, except for the actual passwords. Regards, Martin From mal at egenix.com Mon Jul 25 20:52:22 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:52:22 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >> If you look through the archives, it's very easy to find out about >> the infrastructure setup being used to run python.org. Take e.g. >> this thread as example: >> >> http://markmail.org/thread/kcxkjbesmbweaaj6#query:+page:1+mid:kcxkjbesmbweaaj6+state:results > > This information is also published in the Wiki, and deliberately so. > > There is nothing secret about the setup of python.org, except for the > actual passwords. So you deliberately make it easy for potential attackers to find out about everything they need to know in order take over the site. Could you explain the reasons behind this ? While having documentation of the setup is essential, I don't think making that documentation available outside the group of administrators is a good thing to do. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From sheep at sheep.art.pl Mon Jul 25 20:58:21 2011 From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:58:21 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 20:52, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >>> If you look through the archives, it's very easy to find out about >>> the infrastructure setup being used to run python.org. Take e.g. >>> this thread as example: >>> >>> http://markmail.org/thread/kcxkjbesmbweaaj6#query:+page:1+mid:kcxkjbesmbweaaj6+state:results >> >> This information is also published in the Wiki, and deliberately so. >> >> There is nothing secret about the setup of python.org, except for the >> actual passwords. > > So you deliberately make it easy for potential attackers to > find out about everything they need to know in order take over > the site. > > Could you explain the reasons behind this ? > > While having documentation of the setup is essential, I don't think > making that documentation available outside the group of administrators > is a good thing to do. In my experience, if you need to rely on obscurity as your security measure, then you are in a very bad position. -- Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl From martin at v.loewis.de Mon Jul 25 21:08:26 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:08:26 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> > So you deliberately make it easy for potential attackers to > find out about everything they need to know in order take over > the site. > > Could you explain the reasons behind this ? This information is not meant for attackers, but for people contributing to the maintenance of the site. It may also help attackers, but only a little so, since they can easily gather the information, anyway. You seem to favor obscurity as a means of security. Please understand that this gives a false sense of security. > While having documentation of the setup is essential, I don't think > making that documentation available outside the group of administrators > is a good thing to do. I disagree. Administrators tend to forget where the information is stored, and how to access it; they are also uncertain as to whether certain aspects are documented at all. Giving Google access to this information (or any other search engine) simplifies maintenance. Regards, Martin From mal at egenix.com Mon Jul 25 21:16:40 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:16:40 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >> So you deliberately make it easy for potential attackers to >> find out about everything they need to know in order take over >> the site. >> >> Could you explain the reasons behind this ? > > This information is not meant for attackers, but for people contributing > to the maintenance of the site. It may also help > attackers, but only a little so, since they can easily gather the > information, anyway. > > You seem to favor obscurity as a means of security. Please understand > that this gives a false sense of security. No, not really. Not having the information readily available doesn't make it more secure (obscurity never increases security), but it does make it harder, and thus, raises the bar for script-kiddies. >> While having documentation of the setup is essential, I don't think >> making that documentation available outside the group of administrators >> is a good thing to do. > > I disagree. Administrators tend to forget where the information is > stored, and how to access it; they are also uncertain as to whether > certain aspects are documented at all. Giving Google access to this > information (or any other search engine) simplifies maintenance. A wiki on a separate server would make that information just as easily available, so I don't really buy into that argument of unorganized administrators (which I don't think we have on python.org). The PSF has a Trac installation that could be used for this. It's hosted on a separate managed servers, so the information would be available even if python.org goes down. I can create an instance and user accounts for you to use. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 25 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From georg at python.org Mon Jul 25 21:22:28 2011 From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:22:28 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E2DC274.2060707@python.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 25.07.2011 21:16, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: > "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >>> So you deliberately make it easy for potential attackers to find out >>> about everything they need to know in order take over the site. >>> >>> Could you explain the reasons behind this ? >> >> This information is not meant for attackers, but for people contributing to >> the maintenance of the site. It may also help attackers, but only a little >> so, since they can easily gather the information, anyway. >> >> You seem to favor obscurity as a means of security. Please understand that >> this gives a false sense of security. > > No, not really. Not having the information readily available doesn't make it > more secure (obscurity never increases security), but it does make it harder, > and thus, raises the bar for script-kiddies. This is similar to running SSH on a non-standard port: praised by many as the ultimate security measure, but in reality it only delays people by the amount of time it takes to do a portscan. Georg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk4twnQACgkQN9GcIYhpnLBQOwCgrpq7yUrbnImF/Zfp9YB1msnL nR0Anie6euH3/NPBaBj1fdDDoZU5F+mA =yT5z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skip at pobox.com Mon Jul 25 21:32:25 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:32:25 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <20013.50377.512684.657474@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> While having documentation of the setup is essential, I don't think >> making that documentation available outside the group of >> administrators is a good thing to do. Martin> I disagree. Administrators tend to forget where the information Martin> is stored, and how to access it; they are also uncertain as to Martin> whether certain aspects are documented at all. Giving Google Martin> access to this information (or any other search engine) Martin> simplifies maintenance. I agree with Martin. I do very little actual maintenance, only of the SpamBayes setup on mail.python.org. That's about all I can ever remember how to do. Heaven help you, for instance, if you ever need me to update someone's ssh pub key. :-) At the very least, if I am the last resort available, I know I can poke around the wiki to figure that out. A compromise might be to use Google docs to share this information between just the admins. Or create a RotoRooters group on the wiki and add appropriate ACLs to the root page(s) on the wiki. The Google Docs solution would also have the advantage that, just like the roto-rooters email alias, it doesn't depend on any of the python.org infrastructure. Presumably, in the face of a significant outage people might still be able to find what they are looking for. Skip From patcam at python.org Tue Jul 26 20:03:06 2011 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:03:06 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- June 2011 - Please Post Online Message-ID: Hello Pydotorg: Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ at the usual web locations: please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for June 2011. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks, Pat -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am receiving an error message saying that the page is broken. Please advise. Thanks, Pat -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.hellmann at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 20:44:42 2011 From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:44:42 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Trying to access the "Board Agenda" on the wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm, it's working for me. That error could be due to a local issue on your system, or a temporary issue on the server. Is it still failing for you? On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hi Pydotorg: > > I am having a problem accessing the board meeting agenda > on the wiki at http://wiki.python.org/psf/BoardAgenda. > > I am receiving this error message: > > Oops! This page appears broken. DNS Error - Server cannot be found. > > Could you help me to access this wiki page again. > > Thanks, > Pat > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pat Campbell > Date: Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:30 PM > Subject: Trying to access the "Board Agenda" on the wiki > To: Steve Holden > > > Hi Steve: > > Is there a reason why I can not gain access to the PSF board meeting > agenda on the private wiki? > > I am receiving an error message saying that the page is broken. Please > advise. > > Thanks, > Pat > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This page appears broken. *DNS Error - Server cannot be found.*Could > you help me to access this wiki page again. > > Thanks, > Pat > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pat Campbell > Date: Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:30 PM > Subject: Trying to access the "Board Agenda" on the wiki > To: Steve Holden > > > Hi Steve: > > Is there a reason why I can not gain access to the PSF board meeting > agenda on the private wiki? > > I am receiving an error message saying that the page is broken. Please > advise. > > Thanks, > Pat > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lemburg wrote: > >>A wiki on a separate server would make that information >>just as easily available, so I don't really buy into that >>argument of unorganized administrators (which I don't think >>we have on python.org). > > You obviously haven't met any of our administrators. :) Has anyone? It might be good if someone could visually confirm they exist and aren't actually a script. -- Carl K From barry at python.org Thu Jul 28 01:36:25 2011 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:36:25 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> <20110725152025.4cf11164@resist.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20110727193625.115b38fe@resist.wooz.org> On Jul 27, 2011, at 06:17 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Jul 25, 2011, at 09:16 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> >>>A wiki on a separate server would make that information >>>just as easily available, so I don't really buy into that >>>argument of unorganized administrators (which I don't think >>>we have on python.org). >> >> You obviously haven't met any of our administrators. :) > >Has anyone? > >It might be good if someone could visually confirm they exist and >aren't actually a script. I can confirm that. Of course *I* might be a script, so you probably shouldn't take my word for it. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm assuming Carl is actually joking, but nonetheless, I have personally met Barry, Martin and Sean (at least, maybe Marc-Andre as well), so I can confirm that at some point in the past couple years none of them were scripts. Skip From richard at python.org Thu Jul 28 03:30:49 2011 From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:30:49 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <20016.46324.409005.293105@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> <20110725152025.4cf11164@resist.wooz.org> <20016.46324.409005.293105@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 28 July 2011 11:01, wrote: > > ? ?>> You obviously haven't met any of our administrators. :) > > ? ?Carl> Has anyone? > > ? ?Carl> It might be good if someone could visually confirm they exist and > ? ?Carl> aren't actually a script. > > I'm assuming Carl is actually joking, but nonetheless, I have personally met > Barry, Martin and Sean (at least, maybe Marc-Andre as well), so I can > confirm that at some point in the past couple years none of them were > scripts. What makes you believe you can confirm that at some point in the past couple years none of them were scripts? From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Thu Jul 28 10:13:56 2011 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:13:56 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: References: <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> <20110725152025.4cf11164@resist.wooz.org> <20016.46324.409005.293105@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20110728081356.GK25401@charite.de> * Richard Jones : > > I'm assuming Carl is actually joking, but nonetheless, I have personally met > > Barry, Martin and Sean (at least, maybe Marc-Andre as well), so I can > > confirm that at some point in the past couple years none of them were > > scripts. > > What makes you believe you can confirm that at some point in the past > couple years none of them were scripts? Prof. Weizenbaum would surely enjoy this thread. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de From mal at egenix.com Thu Jul 28 11:09:29 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:09:29 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E312749.3070304@egenix.com> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >> I disagree. Administrators tend to forget where the information is >> stored, and how to access it; they are also uncertain as to whether >> certain aspects are documented at all. Giving Google access to this >> information (or any other search engine) simplifies maintenance. > > A wiki on a separate server would make that information > just as easily available, so I don't really buy into that > argument of unorganized administrators (which I don't think > we have on python.org). > > The PSF has a Trac installation that could be used for this. > It's hosted on a separate managed servers, so the information would > be available even if python.org goes down. > > I can create an instance and user accounts for you to use. Could someone please point me to the wiki pages that already exist for this and any other information that may be useful ? I'll then go ahead and setup a Trac instance for the admins to use. I'd also need a list of current admins to setup their accounts. Aside: I guess that would even help those mythical "unorganized" admins, since they'd only need to bookmark a single URL rather than remember what to search for on Google ;-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 28 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From martin at v.loewis.de Thu Jul 28 11:41:26 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:41:26 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E312749.3070304@egenix.com> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> <4E312749.3070304@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4E312EC6.1040009@v.loewis.de> > Could someone please point me to the wiki pages that already > exist for this and any other information that may be useful ? http://wiki.python.org/moin/Admin > I'd also need a list of current admins That list will be difficult to produce. Regards, Martin From mal at egenix.com Thu Jul 28 12:03:32 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:03:32 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <4E312EC6.1040009@v.loewis.de> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> <4E312749.3070304@egenix.com> <4E312EC6.1040009@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <4E3133F4.1060604@egenix.com> "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >> Could someone please point me to the wiki pages that already >> exist for this and any other information that may be useful ? > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/Admin Thanks. >> I'd also need a list of current admins > > That list will be difficult to produce. Well, then let's start with a list of all admins, including no longer active ones. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 28 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From skip at pobox.com Thu Jul 28 14:56:58 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:56:58 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> <20110725152025.4cf11164@resist.wooz.org> <20016.46324.409005.293105@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20017.23706.393739.551103@montanaro.dyndns.org> Richard> What makes you believe you can confirm that at some point in Richard> the past couple years none of them were scripts? You could all be scripts now, but weren't back then... (I've met you as well.) :-) Skip From p at state-of-mind.de Thu Jul 28 15:15:15 2011 From: p at state-of-mind.de (Patrick Ben Koetter) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:15:15 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Repeated outages of python.org In-Reply-To: <20017.23706.393739.551103@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <4E2BE220.8080904@python.org> <4E2D2FDA.6030501@egenix.com> <4E2D30CE.3080900@python.org> <4E2D32ED.5020906@egenix.com> <4E2D4587.4020808@python.org> <4E2D4AF3.3060104@egenix.com> <4E2D4CE6.7040001@python.org> <4E2D5303.4050800@egenix.com> <4E2DB82A.9050304@v.loewis.de> <4E2DBB66.7030109@egenix.com> <4E2DBF2A.90701@v.loewis.de> <4E2DC118.4040407@egenix.com> <20110725152025.4cf11164@resist.wooz.org> <20016.46324.409005.293105@montanaro.dyndns.org> <20017.23706.393739.551103@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4E3160E3.7010901@state-of-mind.de> Am 28.07.2011 14:56, schrieb skip at pobox.com: > > Richard> What makes you believe you can confirm that at some point in > Richard> the past couple years none of them were scripts? > > You could all be scripts now, but weren't back then... (I've met you as > well.) :-) Skip met them, but then he got annoyed ... ;) p@ -- state of mind () Digitale Kommunikation http://www.state-of-mind.de Franziskanerstra?e 15 Telefon +49 89 3090 4664 81669 M?nchen Telefax +49 89 3090 4666 Amtsgericht M?nchen Partnerschaftsregister PR 563 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5372 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From doug.hellmann at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 16:28:07 2011 From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:28:07 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- June 2011 - Please Post Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24035853-F5A3-48BE-836F-5CB6028CB3F3@gmail.com> Done. 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