From richard at python.org  Tue Mar  1 00:43:24 2011
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:43:24 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Seems like Wiki was updated to 1.9.3 - nice.

It looks like the upgrade included some new double-click handler on
the wiki pages. When a double-click is detected the page switches to
edit mode. This is quite annoying as double-click is already used to
select words in the page text. Could the moin double-click behaviour
be disabled please?


     Richard

From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Mar  1 00:49:51 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 00:49:51 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
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	<AANLkTi=EM_bDd4da-JRiuant8dKtUOYf33Nznx1zGNwm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de>

Am 01.03.2011 00:43, schrieb Richard Jones:
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seems like Wiki was updated to 1.9.3 - nice.
> 
> It looks like the upgrade included some new double-click handler on
> the wiki pages. When a double-click is detected the page switches to
> edit mode. This is quite annoying as double-click is already used to
> select words in the page text. Could the moin double-click behaviour
> be disabled please?

I can't reproduce it. On what URL do I have to double-click on what
position to give undesirable behavior?

Regards,
Martin

From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Mar  1 01:10:58 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:10:58 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=EM_bDd4da-JRiuant8dKtUOYf33Nznx1zGNwm@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <4D6C3992.1050804@v.loewis.de>

Am 01.03.2011 00:49, schrieb "Martin v. L?wis":
> Am 01.03.2011 00:43, schrieb Richard Jones:
>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Seems like Wiki was updated to 1.9.3 - nice.
>>
>> It looks like the upgrade included some new double-click handler on
>> the wiki pages. When a double-click is detected the page switches to
>> edit mode. This is quite annoying as double-click is already used to
>> select words in the page text. Could the moin double-click behaviour
>> be disabled please?
> 
> I can't reproduce it. On what URL do I have to double-click on what
> position to give undesirable behavior?

I found it. Go to

http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=userprefs&sub=prefs

and deselect "Open editor on double click". Then click "Save".

HTH,
Martin

From richard at python.org  Tue Mar  1 01:30:20 2011
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:30:20 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D6C3992.1050804@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=EM_bDd4da-JRiuant8dKtUOYf33Nznx1zGNwm@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de> <4D6C3992.1050804@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimUMGg_wQ-1B8VjCg1adV6D7BNLiUgt5jawyQ2B@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:10 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> Am 01.03.2011 00:49, schrieb "Martin v. L?wis":
>> Am 01.03.2011 00:43, schrieb Richard Jones:
>>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Seems like Wiki was updated to 1.9.3 - nice.
>>>
>>> It looks like the upgrade included some new double-click handler on
>>> the wiki pages. When a double-click is detected the page switches to
>>> edit mode. This is quite annoying as double-click is already used to
>>> select words in the page text. Could the moin double-click behaviour
>>> be disabled please?
>>
>> I can't reproduce it. On what URL do I have to double-click on what
>> position to give undesirable behavior?
>
> I found it. Go to
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=userprefs&sub=prefs
>
> and deselect "Open editor on double click". Then click "Save".

Ah, excellent, thanks! When I remembered to log in the setting was
already unchecked - it's turned on by default for anonymous users I
guess.


     Richard

From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Mar  1 07:20:27 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 07:20:27 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimUMGg_wQ-1B8VjCg1adV6D7BNLiUgt5jawyQ2B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=EM_bDd4da-JRiuant8dKtUOYf33Nznx1zGNwm@mail.gmail.com>	<4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de>
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Message-ID: <4D6C902B.3030900@v.loewis.de>

Am 01.03.2011 01:30, schrieb Richard Jones:
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:10 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
>> Am 01.03.2011 00:49, schrieb "Martin v. L?wis":
>>> Am 01.03.2011 00:43, schrieb Richard Jones:
>>>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Seems like Wiki was updated to 1.9.3 - nice.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like the upgrade included some new double-click handler on
>>>> the wiki pages. When a double-click is detected the page switches to
>>>> edit mode. This is quite annoying as double-click is already used to
>>>> select words in the page text. Could the moin double-click behaviour
>>>> be disabled please?
>>>
>>> I can't reproduce it. On what URL do I have to double-click on what
>>> position to give undesirable behavior?
>>
>> I found it. Go to
>>
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=userprefs&sub=prefs
>>
>> and deselect "Open editor on double click". Then click "Save".
> 
> Ah, excellent, thanks! When I remembered to log in the setting was
> already unchecked - it's turned on by default for anonymous users I
> guess.

This is what I still cannot reproduce. If I'm not logged in,
double-clicking on the main page does nothing to me (except to select some
piece of text).

Regards,
Martin

From jeff at taupro.com  Tue Mar  1 10:05:00 2011
From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 03:05:00 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D6C902B.3030900@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=EM_bDd4da-JRiuant8dKtUOYf33Nznx1zGNwm@mail.gmail.com>	<4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de>	<4D6C3992.1050804@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimUMGg_wQ-1B8VjCg1adV6D7BNLiUgt5jawyQ2B@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D6C902B.3030900@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <4D6CB6BC.8020904@taupro.com>

On 03/01/2011 12:20 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
> 
> This is what I still cannot reproduce. If I'm not logged in,
> double-clicking on the main page does nothing to me (except to select some
> piece of text).

I see the Richard's problem here as well.  The trick to seeing it is to
be sure you are on a page that *can* be edited anonymously.  If you do
it on the FrontPage or other page that -requires- a login, a
double-click just selects text.

Try it on this anonymously-editable page:

   http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonConferences

-Jeff

From mal at egenix.com  Tue Mar  1 10:32:16 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 10:32:16 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D6CB6BC.8020904@taupro.com>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=EM_bDd4da-JRiuant8dKtUOYf33Nznx1zGNwm@mail.gmail.com>	<4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de>	<4D6C3992.1050804@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimUMGg_wQ-1B8VjCg1adV6D7BNLiUgt5jawyQ2B@mail.gmail.com>	<4D6C902B.3030900@v.loewis.de>
	<4D6CB6BC.8020904@taupro.com>
Message-ID: <4D6CBD20.8060000@egenix.com>

Jeff Rush wrote:
> On 03/01/2011 12:20 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
>>
>> This is what I still cannot reproduce. If I'm not logged in,
>> double-clicking on the main page does nothing to me (except to select some
>> piece of text).
> 
> I see the Richard's problem here as well.  The trick to seeing it is to
> be sure you are on a page that *can* be edited anonymously.  If you do
> it on the FrontPage or other page that -requires- a login, a
> double-click just selects text.
> 
> Try it on this anonymously-editable page:
> 
>    http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonConferences

This is a user preference in MoinMoin. If you're not logged in, a
default will be used and it's possible that this default was changed
in recent MoinMoin versions.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Mar  1 10:34:31 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 10:34:31 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D6CBD20.8060000@egenix.com>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=EM_bDd4da-JRiuant8dKtUOYf33Nznx1zGNwm@mail.gmail.com>	<4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de>	<4D6C3992.1050804@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimUMGg_wQ-1B8VjCg1adV6D7BNLiUgt5jawyQ2B@mail.gmail.com>	<4D6C902B.3030900@v.loewis.de>	<4D6CB6BC.8020904@taupro.com>
	<4D6CBD20.8060000@egenix.com>
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M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Jeff Rush wrote:
>> On 03/01/2011 12:20 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
>>>
>>> This is what I still cannot reproduce. If I'm not logged in,
>>> double-clicking on the main page does nothing to me (except to select some
>>> piece of text).
>>
>> I see the Richard's problem here as well.  The trick to seeing it is to
>> be sure you are on a page that *can* be edited anonymously.  If you do
>> it on the FrontPage or other page that -requires- a login, a
>> double-click just selects text.
>>
>> Try it on this anonymously-editable page:
>>
>>    http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonConferences
> 
> This is a user preference in MoinMoin. If you're not logged in, a
> default will be used and it's possible that this default was changed
> in recent MoinMoin versions.

Here's the configuration option that needs to be adjusted:

http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration/UserPreferences

"edit_on_doubleclick" - Open editor on double click

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Mar 01 2011)
>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::


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From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Mar  2 00:20:25 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:20:25 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D6CBDA7.4040907@egenix.com>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimrPO4zZa=JJBsHd_bGC=BV9_UH6cTUuzBSe-H+@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=EM_bDd4da-JRiuant8dKtUOYf33Nznx1zGNwm@mail.gmail.com>	<4D6C349F.3080409@v.loewis.de>	<4D6C3992.1050804@v.loewis.de>	<AANLkTimUMGg_wQ-1B8VjCg1adV6D7BNLiUgt5jawyQ2B@mail.gmail.com>	<4D6C902B.3030900@v.loewis.de>	<4D6CB6BC.8020904@taupro.com>	<4D6CBD20.8060000@egenix.com>
	<4D6CBDA7.4040907@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <4D6D7F39.8070806@v.loewis.de>

> Here's the configuration option that needs to be adjusted:
> 
> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration/UserPreferences
> 
> "edit_on_doubleclick" - Open editor on double click

Thanks for the pointer; I have now changed the default of that value.

Regards,
Martin


From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Mar  2 02:06:01 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 03:06:01 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXeMLTLVgCc+Q-5SrBY2o2tYRLMio6YHc-PVP5@mail.gmail.com>

OpenID login to bugtracker through Gmail doesn't work. Google Accounts
page responds with
"The page you requested is invalid."
--
anatoly t.



On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:14 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> I have completed the upgrades earlier today. If there is anything
> broken, please post it here (or fix it yourself if you can).
>
> Regards,
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>

From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Mar  2 08:10:37 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 08:10:37 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikXeMLTLVgCc+Q-5SrBY2o2tYRLMio6YHc-PVP5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
	<AANLkTikXeMLTLVgCc+Q-5SrBY2o2tYRLMio6YHc-PVP5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D6DED6D.4050901@v.loewis.de>

Am 02.03.2011 02:06, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
> OpenID login to bugtracker through Gmail doesn't work. Google Accounts
> page responds with
> "The page you requested is invalid."

That's a different machine, though - it doesn't have to do anything with
this update.

Regards,
Martin

From mborch at gmail.com  Wed Mar  2 19:27:41 2011
From: mborch at gmail.com (Malthe Borch)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:27:41 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Inappropriate link
Message-ID: <AANLkTik=5+_HBrUEHJCmJV40AS67hZvZ1y1O8h665dGE@mail.gmail.com>

On http://pypi.python.org, at the footer, there's a link to
http://www.pollenation.net/ which redirects to
http://www.tastecard.co.uk/.

\malthe

From amk at amk.ca  Wed Mar  2 21:36:57 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:36:57 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Inappropriate link
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik=5+_HBrUEHJCmJV40AS67hZvZ1y1O8h665dGE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik=5+_HBrUEHJCmJV40AS67hZvZ1y1O8h665dGE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110302203657.GA1067@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>

On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 07:27:41PM +0100, Malthe Borch wrote:
> On http://pypi.python.org, at the footer, there's a link to
> http://www.pollenation.net/ which redirects to
> http://www.tastecard.co.uk/.

It looks like pollenation.net has gone away and been domain-squatted.
www.python.org now links to http://www.timparkin.co.uk/, which is the
personal page of the designer.

--amk

From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Mar  2 22:56:18 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:56:18 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Inappropriate link
In-Reply-To: <20110302203657.GA1067@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
References: <AANLkTik=5+_HBrUEHJCmJV40AS67hZvZ1y1O8h665dGE@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110302203657.GA1067@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net>
Message-ID: <4D6EBD02.90401@v.loewis.de>

Am 02.03.2011 21:36, schrieb A.M. Kuchling:
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 07:27:41PM +0100, Malthe Borch wrote:
>> On http://pypi.python.org, at the footer, there's a link to
>> http://www.pollenation.net/ which redirects to
>> http://www.tastecard.co.uk/.
> 
> It looks like pollenation.net has gone away and been domain-squatted.
> www.python.org now links to http://www.timparkin.co.uk/, which is the
> personal page of the designer.

Thanks for pointing this out; I have fixed it now.

Regards,
Martin

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Thu Mar  3 01:06:15 2011
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 01:06:15 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D6D7F39.8070806@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de> <4D6CBDA7.4040907@egenix.com>
	<4D6D7F39.8070806@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <201103030106.15929.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Wednesday 02 March 2011 00:20:25 Martin v. L?wis wrote:
> > Here's the configuration option that needs to be adjusted:
> >
> > http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration/UserPreferences
> >
> > "edit_on_doubleclick" - Open editor on double click
>
> Thanks for the pointer; I have now changed the default of that value.

Is there any chance of getting the Python theme replaced (at least as the 
default) with the EuroPython theme, as previously proposed...?

http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Europython

The Python theme began to look a bit worn out when the upgrade to Moin 1.6 
occurred, if I remember correctly, and I haven't used it myself for a few 
years. The EuroPython theme, on the other hand, has been actively used 
recently and fits in better with the current python.org styling, although I 
see that Moin 1.9.3 demands some modifications to the theme's CSS code.

Paul

From martin at v.loewis.de  Thu Mar  3 09:13:59 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 09:13:59 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <201103030106.15929.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de>
	<4D6CBDA7.4040907@egenix.com>	<4D6D7F39.8070806@v.loewis.de>
	<201103030106.15929.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4D6F4DC7.90006@v.loewis.de>

> Is there any chance of getting the Python theme replaced (at least as the 
> default) with the EuroPython theme, as previously proposed...?
> 
> http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Europython

If somebody volunteers to make that change: sure. I'm not a web
designer, so I don't know anything about schemes. Unfortunately,
the Moin installation is still basically unmaintained.

Radomir?

Regards,
Martin

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Thu Mar  3 11:53:48 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:53:48 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <4D6F4DC7.90006@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de> <4D6CBDA7.4040907@egenix.com>
	<4D6D7F39.8070806@v.loewis.de>
	<201103030106.15929.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4D6F4DC7.90006@v.loewis.de>
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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:13 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
>> Is there any chance of getting the Python theme replaced (at least as the
>> default) with the EuroPython theme, as previously proposed...?
>>
>> http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Europython
>
> If somebody volunteers to make that change: sure. I'm not a web
> designer, so I don't know anything about schemes. Unfortunately,
> the Moin installation is still basically unmaintained.
>
> Radomir?

I'm sorry for the delay, I have added the europython theme to the
themes available on the python wiki in user preferences. Once we are
happy with how it looks and behaves, we can make it the default theme.


-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From techtonik at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 13:11:39 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:11:39 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=qkiZY5jyT6WjiMRQRueqMaanbsnx5W7_aUweh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D5EFD63.3070709@v.loewis.de> <4D6CBDA7.4040907@egenix.com>
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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:13 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
>>> Is there any chance of getting the Python theme replaced (at least as the
>>> default) with the EuroPython theme, as previously proposed...?
>>>
>>> http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Europython
>>
>> If somebody volunteers to make that change: sure. I'm not a web
>> designer, so I don't know anything about schemes. Unfortunately,
>> the Moin installation is still basically unmaintained.
>>
>> Radomir?
>
> I'm sorry for the delay, I have added the europython theme to the
> themes available on the python wiki in user preferences. Once we are
> happy with how it looks and behaves, we can make it the default theme.

Will it change itself to make us happy, or we will just become happy
over time? =)
I.e. what is the development process?
--
anatoly t.

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Thu Mar  3 13:45:57 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:45:57 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9v8Lp7bXJznV0cvkjdumBtWn_+0jjFBfrfSiN@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:13 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
>>>> Is there any chance of getting the Python theme replaced (at least as the
>>>> default) with the EuroPython theme, as previously proposed...?
>>>>
>>>> http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Europython
>>>
>>> If somebody volunteers to make that change: sure. I'm not a web
>>> designer, so I don't know anything about schemes. Unfortunately,
>>> the Moin installation is still basically unmaintained.
>>>
>>> Radomir?
>>
>> I'm sorry for the delay, I have added the europython theme to the
>> themes available on the python wiki in user preferences. Once we are
>> happy with how it looks and behaves, we can make it the default theme.
>
> Will it change itself to make us happy, or we will just become happy
> over time? =)
> I.e. what is the development process?

Well, I made this theme some years ago, basing it on how the
python.org looked then (there has been some slight changes in font and
column sizes, I guess), with the hopes of replacing the current
wiki.python.org theme. Later it was used for the europython wiki and
it got some improvements based on the feedback I got. I volunteered to
update and maintain the python wiki, but somehow never found the time
to sort out all the details. Now that I did, I hope to help with the
wiki on regular basis, and also add any changes and
details that might be needed for it.

Going back to your question, I consider the theme to be finished --
that is, I don't plan to make huge changes to it. I will, however, not
abandon it, and I will continue to fix any problems that are reported
and add improvements that are desired. I keep the theme in a mercurial
repository at htttp://devel.sheep.art.pl/europython, but I can move it
somewhere, like bitbucket, if needed. Of course all collaboration on
improving it is welcome.

-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Thu Mar  3 19:12:02 2011
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:12:02 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimUThN6fokP9Vw=qNJHyZRHq-bPTC9cGGeKDpF4@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <201103031912.02868.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Thursday 03 March 2011 13:45:57 Radomir Dopieralski wrote:
>
>                                                       I volunteered to
> update and maintain the python wiki, but somehow never found the time
> to sort out all the details. Now that I did, I hope to help with the
> wiki on regular basis, and also add any changes and
> details that might be needed for it.

This is great news! Thank you for installing the theme and making it work on 
the Python Wiki.

> Going back to your question, I consider the theme to be finished --
> that is, I don't plan to make huge changes to it. I will, however, not
> abandon it, and I will continue to fix any problems that are reported
> and add improvements that are desired. I keep the theme in a mercurial
> repository at htttp://devel.sheep.art.pl/europython, but I can move it
> somewhere, like bitbucket, if needed. Of course all collaboration on
> improving it is welcome.

I think the theme works very well for the given purpose. My own suggestions 
for improvements would involve separate extensions or patches. An example of 
the latter category is a patch I have for making the edit spans one sees in 
RecentChanges (for example, "[1-3]") selectable, so that one can see groups 
of changes made by an individual a lot quicker than going through the info 
page and manually selecting the range of diffs to be shown.

With regard to such patches, I don't know what the situation is with Moin 1.x 
and whether there's any interest in adding such enhancements, but I've 
submitted a few patches like that to the Moin project anyway.

Paul

From techtonik at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 22:37:19 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:37:19 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re:  Upgrades completed)
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thursday 03 March 2011 13:45:57 Radomir Dopieralski wrote:
>>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I volunteered to
>> update and maintain the python wiki, but somehow never found the time
>> to sort out all the details. Now that I did, I hope to help with the
>> wiki on regular basis, and also add any changes and
>> details that might be needed for it.
>
> This is great news! Thank you for installing the theme and making it work on
> the Python Wiki.

+1 ;)

I've switched to new EuroPython theme and must say that it looks
rather strange (see screenshots). The Frontpage is highlighted even
though I am not on the front page. The history bar is confusing and is
not visually separated from current page name. ISTM they should have
at least different font sizes.

I'd also prefer menu font, button size and button text capitalization,
logo alignment to be consistent with the main site/tracker.

I find it hard to see if I am subscribed to the page or not. Locating
the edit link also takes time. I must say that I'm quite used to
MoinMoin breadcrumb of modernized theme. We have a lot of header space
that could be put to a good use.

OMG, now we have tables! Thanks man - just look at this beauty -
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors
I expect a lot of inspiration from wiki contributors. =)

>> Going back to your question, I consider the theme to be finished --
>> that is, I don't plan to make huge changes to it. I will, however, not
>> abandon it, and I will continue to fix any problems that are reported
>> and add improvements that are desired. I keep the theme in a mercurial
>> repository at htttp://devel.sheep.art.pl/europython, but I can move it
>> somewhere, like bitbucket, if needed. Of course all collaboration on
>> improving it is welcome.

I've started collecting Wiki issues at
http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/list?can=1&q=label:Area-Wiki
exactly for the purpose of collaboration. We can upload theme fixes
into Mercurial repository over there. Google Code has a good feature
of editing sources online, so users/designers can actually fix stuff
without knowing about Mercurial at all.

> I think the theme works very well for the given purpose. My own suggestions
> for improvements would involve separate extensions or patches. An example of
> the latter category is a patch I have for making the edit spans one sees in
> RecentChanges (for example, "[1-3]") selectable, so that one can see groups
> of changes made by an individual a lot quicker than going through the info
> page and manually selecting the range of diffs to be shown.
>
> With regard to such patches, I don't know what the situation is with Moin 1.x
> and whether there's any interest in adding such enhancements, but I've
> submitted a few patches like that to the Moin project anyway.

Moin project is moving towards 2.x version. Of course, it will be
better if these were extensions rather than patches, but I can't see a
big  problem in maintaining patches provided that we finally put
current MoinMoin configuration and custom extensions/plugins into
version control.

-- 
anatoly t.
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From martin at v.loewis.de  Thu Mar  3 23:29:25 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 23:29:25 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Upgrades completed
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> I'm sorry for the delay, I have added the europython theme to the
> themes available on the python wiki in user preferences. Once we are
> happy with how it looks and behaves, we can make it the default theme.

I think I would prefer it to replace the python theme rather sooner
than later - assuming you are willing to fix issues on short notice.

I don't think a theme called "europython" belongs into that Wiki
installation, and it wouldn't be good if people actively switched
to that setting only to see it removed later.

Regards,
Martin

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Fri Mar  4 00:34:23 2011
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 00:34:23 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201103040034.23269.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Thursday 03 March 2011 22:37:19 anatoly techtonik wrote:
>
> I've switched to new EuroPython theme and must say that it looks
> rather strange (see screenshots). The Frontpage is highlighted even
> though I am not on the front page. The history bar is confusing and is
> not visually separated from current page name. ISTM they should have
> at least different font sizes.

The front page will be highlighted because the settings are merely 
an "overlay" in Moin. So this is a Moin thing, not anything to do with the 
theme. As for the page title, it appears in bold in my browser, so maybe you 
have font issues. (How many tabs do you have open, by the way?!)

> I'd also prefer menu font, button size and button text capitalization,
> logo alignment to be consistent with the main site/tracker.

As Radomir noted, I think these things have changed slightly since the theme 
was written.

> I find it hard to see if I am subscribed to the page or not. Locating
> the edit link also takes time. I must say that I'm quite used to
> MoinMoin breadcrumb of modernized theme. We have a lot of header space
> that could be put to a good use.

People are very attached to modern/modernized. ;-)

> OMG, now we have tables! Thanks man - just look at this beauty -
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors
> I expect a lot of inspiration from wiki contributors. =)

I hope so.

[...]

> I've started collecting Wiki issues at
> http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/list?can=1&q=label:Area-Wiki
> exactly for the purpose of collaboration. We can upload theme fixes
> into Mercurial repository over there. Google Code has a good feature
> of editing sources online, so users/designers can actually fix stuff
> without knowing about Mercurial at all.

Can we not use the Python bug tracker for this kind of thing, or just use 
whatever Bitbucket is providing, if it's specifically theme-related?

[...]

> Moin project is moving towards 2.x version. Of course, it will be
> better if these were extensions rather than patches, but I can't see a
> big  problem in maintaining patches provided that we finally put
> current MoinMoin configuration and custom extensions/plugins into
> version control.

Unless I'm pulling from the wrong repository, the Moin 1.8 branch is not 
seeing any action any more, and I guess Moin 1.9 will go the same way over 
time. Maintaining our own clones, if necessary, would not be that hard, I 
think.

Paul

From martin at v.loewis.de  Fri Mar  4 00:59:04 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:59:04 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <201103040034.23269.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
	<201103040034.23269.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4D702B48.3020300@v.loewis.de>

> Unless I'm pulling from the wrong repository, the Moin 1.8 branch is not 
> seeing any action any more, and I guess Moin 1.9 will go the same way over 
> time. Maintaining our own clones, if necessary, would not be that hard, I 
> think.

I prefer to use Debian packages wherever feasible. Custom installations
*are* hard, in the long run, since they will become
outdated and unmaintained over the years, unless some really dedicated
contributor cares about them.

My biggest concern are security flaws here: for Debian packages, I trust
that the debian maintainers track them, and provide updates for all
"active" debian releases. For our own clone, somebody would have to run
updates manually, as well as merge fixes manually.

Regards,
Martin

From techtonik at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 01:29:24 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 02:29:24 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <201103040034.23269.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
	<201103040034.23269.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thursday 03 March 2011 22:37:19 anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>
>> I've switched to new EuroPython theme and must say that it looks
>> rather strange (see screenshots). The Frontpage is highlighted even
>> though I am not on the front page. The history bar is confusing and is
>> not visually separated from current page name. ISTM they should have
>> at least different font sizes.
>
> The front page will be highlighted because the settings are merely
> an "overlay" in Moin. So this is a Moin thing, not anything to do with the
> theme. As for the page title, it appears in bold in my browser, so maybe you
> have font issues. (How many tabs do you have open, by the way?!)

I suppose my design just want page name to look important - at least
like H1 on my wide screen.

>> I've started collecting Wiki issues at
>> http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/list?can=1&q=label:Area-Wiki
>> exactly for the purpose of collaboration. We can upload theme fixes
>> into Mercurial repository over there. Google Code has a good feature
>> of editing sources online, so users/designers can actually fix stuff
>> without knowing about Mercurial at all.
>
> Can we not use the Python bug tracker for this kind of thing, or just use
> whatever Bitbucket is providing, if it's specifically theme-related?

Python bug tracker is out of question - see
http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue340
Basically that's the main reason for Google Code project to appear.
Consider it personal preference, but I find BitBucket tracker more
ugly and less powerful - like there is no way to start an issue.

> [...]
>
>> Moin project is moving towards 2.x version. Of course, it will be
>> better if these were extensions rather than patches, but I can't see a
>> big ?problem in maintaining patches provided that we finally put
>> current MoinMoin configuration and custom extensions/plugins into
>> version control.
>
> Unless I'm pulling from the wrong repository, the Moin 1.8 branch is not
> seeing any action any more, and I guess Moin 1.9 will go the same way over
> time. Maintaining our own clones, if necessary, would not be that hard, I
> think.

I tried maintaining clones. Without some kind of visual tool that
displays changesets from different clones in different colors, it is a
mess. If some revision from your clone is merged as a patch into main
repository, you will still have a different branches. They can only
merge your branch, but you probably have a lot of other stuff in this
branch. There is no such thing as independent patches - there is still
history line, and even subsequent commits in your clone are completely
unrelated, you still don't have an option to merge just related
commits and mark them as merged. That's my understanding how Mercurial
works and I am afraid there is no cherry picking to help with keeping
modifications in sync with upstream. So it is better to keep separate
patches.
-- 
anatoly t.

From martin at v.loewis.de  Fri Mar  4 08:54:52 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:54:52 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Openid on the wiki
Message-ID: <4D709ACC.5080306@v.loewis.de>

I enabled OpenID support on the wiki. If there are any problems, please
report them here.

Regards,
Martin

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Fri Mar  4 09:15:52 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:15:52 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYUjhYNCFznrM5xS8XEHLGQfKukVEEgwBtvy+U@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've switched to new EuroPython theme and must say that it looks
> rather strange (see screenshots). The Frontpage is highlighted even
> though I am not on the front page.

But you are on th front page. The fact that moin shows you your user
settings doesn't change the fact that you are still on the front page.
When you close the settings, you will go back to the front page.

> The history bar is confusing and is
> not visually separated from current page name. ISTM they should have
> at least different font sizes.

It is visually separated by:
 * horizontal line
 * different background
 * different font weight (normal vs. bold)
 * different font size (12px vs. 14.5px with my settings, but that
depends on your defaults).
I'm open to suggestions on how I could visually separate it more (the
obvious solution of adding more vertical space doesn't work if you
want to keep the layout of python.org).
The page location (moin doesn't show a "page name", you must put the
page title on the page yourself) is placed in the same place as on the
python.org website.
The breadcrumb trail is placed in a traditional place (python.org
didn't have it). I can place it somewhere else, suggestions accepted.

> I'd also prefer menu font, button size and button text capitalization,
> logo alignment to be consistent with the main site/tracker.

I will try to work on that over the weekend. As I noted, the theme was
created some time ago, and there has been changes on the python.org
since.
As for button text capitalization, that's a translation thing -- you
would have to change it in all MoinMoin translations... I can try
doing it with CSS though.

> I find it hard to see if I am subscribed to the page or not. Locating
> the edit link also takes time. I must say that I'm quite used to
> MoinMoin breadcrumb of modernized theme. We have a lot of header space
> that could be put to a good use.

This is something I didn't change -- it's like this in the default
sidebar moin theme.
Do you have any specific ideas of how it could be improved?

By the way, if you prefer the modernized theme, by all means use it --
you can select it in your user preferences.

-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Fri Mar  4 09:19:10 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:19:10 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDr9YKTu8x4_xaMcCVa5BxwHJdz=sw_ox0dJJx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
	<201103040034.23269.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<AANLkTimDr9YKTu8x4_xaMcCVa5BxwHJdz=sw_ox0dJJx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRMDAa5qJTVrGqLkn1uygfAN+tceeEAuBAostT@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:29 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried maintaining clones. Without some kind of visual tool that
> displays changesets from different clones in different colors, it is a
> mess. If some revision from your clone is merged as a patch into main
> repository, you will still have a different branches. They can only
> merge your branch, but you probably have a lot of other stuff in this
> branch. There is no such thing as independent patches - there is still
> history line, and even subsequent commits in your clone are completely
> unrelated, you still don't have an option to merge just related
> commits and mark them as merged. That's my understanding how Mercurial
> works and I am afraid there is no cherry picking to help with keeping
> modifications in sync with upstream. So it is better to keep separate
> patches.

I recommend the mq extension for those problems:
http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/MqExtension


-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From fdrake at acm.org  Fri Mar  4 12:29:58 2011
From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:29:58 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Openid on the wiki
In-Reply-To: <4D709ACC.5080306@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D709ACC.5080306@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRHrGWsvBt2K8Zq=SaDCiq_Ph=1vYwJ=AMPcjU@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 2:54 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> I enabled OpenID support on the wiki. If there are any problems, please
> report them here.

Works great for me!  Thanks, Martin.


? -Fred

--
Fred L. Drake, Jr.? ? <fdrake at acm.org>
"A storm broke loose in my mind."? --Albert Einstein

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sat Mar  5 01:16:36 2011
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 01:16:36 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Openid on the wiki
In-Reply-To: <4D709ACC.5080306@v.loewis.de>
References: <4D709ACC.5080306@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <201103050116.36185.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Friday 04 March 2011 08:54:52 Martin v. L?wis wrote:
> I enabled OpenID support on the wiki. If there are any problems, please
> report them here.

This is good to see - thanks Martin! I've been playing with the OpenID support 
in Moin in both the consumer and provider senses, and this is another area 
where I have patches that I might try and push upstream:

* The login form is a bit confused: the OpenID field should really stand 
alone. Actually, the provision of login fields is generally a bit incoherent, 
in my view.

* I found a very small issue with de-association where a piece of request API 
usage wasn't migrated to the new API in Moin 1.9.

* If one wants to have user home pages under a common prefix (which isn't the 
case with wiki.python.org, but is on other sites), several changes are 
required to the home page detection and to the OpenID identity-serving code, 
if used.

I think I've already said that it would be nice to let people have the Wiki 
serve OpenID identities, but I suppose this would really only be useful if 
the ambition were a bit greater around making python.org more of a common 
community portal experience.

Paul

From mfoord at python.org  Sun Mar  6 18:02:24 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 17:02:24 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: missing info on Python Workshops
Message-ID: <4D73BE20.5020106@python.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	missing info on Python Workshops
Date: 	Sat, 5 Mar 2011 23:33:32 -0500
From: 	wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com>
To: 	webmaster at python.org



maybe i'm the only one who remembers (or who cares) about the history
of Python conferences, but on our current community page for
conferences/workshops -- http://www.python.org/community/workshops/ --
we've totally lost all links to the past workshops and IPCs that have
preceded PyCon. these pages don't exist anywhere else except at
http://www.python.org/workshops/

have we deliberately dropped these or was this some oversight? it's
pretty much impossible to Google for anything before the first PyCon
in 2003. Python 10 is the last Foretec IPC and most accessible of them
all, but going backwards leads to dead ends rather quickly.

thanks,
-- wesley
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"Core Python", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
     http://corepython.com

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From amk at amk.ca  Mon Mar  7 03:58:11 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (Andrew Kuchling)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 20:58:11 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] missing info on Python Workshops
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimj+2dfUoG6T=--03P8Hdgs=GUsFHBOHvAVU8tL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimj+2dfUoG6T=--03P8Hdgs=GUsFHBOHvAVU8tL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYQtb1DxhiWkCvM_YsCpM-V-X5dEeF3gLh11=m@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:33 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
> have we deliberately dropped these or was this some oversight? it's
> pretty much impossible to Google for anything before the first PyCon
> in 2003. Python 10 is the last Foretec IPC and most accessible of them
> all, but going backwards leads to dead ends rather quickly.

They probably dropped off when we reconfigured Apache to no longer
fall back to the
old python.org directories.  I made a copy of the dropped materials, including
the conference materials, and put it in a Bitbucket repository:
https://bitbucket.org/akuchling/historic-python-materials/src

--amk

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Fri Mar 11 14:03:16 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:03:16 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikYUjhYNCFznrM5xS8XEHLGQfKukVEEgwBtvy+U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYUjhYNCFznrM5xS8XEHLGQfKukVEEgwBtvy+U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknnjvTT1RWrxJbOUc8S4EMpnzSMB1hjOTE7Zfz@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:

>> I'd also prefer menu font, button size and button text capitalization,
>> logo alignment to be consistent with the main site/tracker.

> I will try to work on that over the weekend. As I noted, the theme was
> created some time ago, and there has been changes on the python.org
> since.

It took a little more time than expected (the font sizes on python.org
are all percentile, which makes them hard to track across nested
elements), but I think I now have something that more closely
resembles the python.org website.

-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar 11 18:12:28 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:12:28 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Subversion still the revision control for website?
Message-ID: <19834.22524.318741.237632@montanaro.dyndns.org>

Is Subversion still the revision control system for the python.org website?
I just checked in a change to the doc/content.ht then had this thought that
maybe it had moved to Mercurial as well.

Thx,

Skip

From mfoord at python.org  Fri Mar 11 18:15:52 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:15:52 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Subversion still the revision control for
	website?
In-Reply-To: <19834.22524.318741.237632@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19834.22524.318741.237632@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4D7A58C8.3080505@python.org>

On 11/03/2011 12:12, skip at pobox.com wrote:
> Is Subversion still the revision control system for the python.org website?
> I just checked in a change to the doc/content.ht then had this thought that
> maybe it had moved to Mercurial as well.
We're still on svn. It would be nice to switch.

Michael

> Thx,
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


-- 
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May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 19:46:49 2011
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:46:49 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Subversion still the revision control
	for	website?
In-Reply-To: <4D7A58C8.3080505@python.org>
References: <19834.22524.318741.237632@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<4D7A58C8.3080505@python.org>
Message-ID: <4D7A6E19.4020902@simplistix.co.uk>

On 11/03/2011 12:15, Michael Foord wrote:
> On 11/03/2011 12:12, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>> Is Subversion still the revision control system for the python.org
>> website?
>> I just checked in a change to the doc/content.ht then had this thought
>> that
>> maybe it had moved to Mercurial as well.
> We're still on svn. It would be nice to switch.

Lots of headsup first, please!

Also, who do I need to send an SSH key to for the website SVN?
Just realised the laptop I've brought to pycon isn't allowed to check in 
to the pydotorg svn and the jobs are piling up ;-)

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
             - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Mar 12 07:22:00 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:22:00 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Subversion still the revision control for
 website?
In-Reply-To: <4D7A6E19.4020902@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <19834.22524.318741.237632@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<4D7A58C8.3080505@python.org> <4D7A6E19.4020902@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20110312062200.GB23505@panix.com>

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011, Chris Withers wrote:
>
> Also, who do I need to send an SSH key to for the website SVN?
> Just realised the laptop I've brought to pycon isn't allowed to
> check in to the pydotorg svn and the jobs are piling up ;-)

Use the pydotorg list -- bug MvL at the con to take care of it.  ;-)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Beware of companies that claim to be like a family.  They might not be
lying."  --Jill Lundquist

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 13:47:44 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 07:47:44 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] news item for python.org
Message-ID: <6C2CE6B5-8854-4C29-B3A0-854B2BB1DDB1@gmail.com>

I would post this myself, but I don't seem to have ssh access to the svn repo (I thought I did, maybe I never asked for it).

I've attached a patch for the news section of the site to mention that the PSF is accepting applications from projects that want to participate in GSoC. I would appreciate it if someone could post it ASAP to give the projects as much notice as possible.

Thanks,
Doug

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From amk at amk.ca  Sat Mar 12 18:17:11 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:17:11 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] news item for python.org
In-Reply-To: <6C2CE6B5-8854-4C29-B3A0-854B2BB1DDB1@gmail.com>
References: <6C2CE6B5-8854-4C29-B3A0-854B2BB1DDB1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110312171711.GA79838@andrew-kuchlings-macbook.local>

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 07:47:44AM -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> I've attached a patch for the news section of the site 

Added; thanks!

--amk

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Mar 14 11:46:41 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:46:41 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] disoriented on first visit to site (fwd)
Message-ID: <19837.61969.75572.66649@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I was a bit confused by this guy's note to webmaster.  At first I thought he
was having PyPI problems, but now I think he's having Mailman problems.

Is there a PyPI developer on the pydotorg(-www)? mailing list who can triage
in case it is PyPI-related? 

Skip

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Mar 14 11:52:00 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:52:00 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] disoriented on first visit to site (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <19837.61969.75572.66649@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19837.61969.75572.66649@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <19837.62288.825821.669136@montanaro.dyndns.org>

>>>>> "skip" == skip  <skip at pobox.com> writes:

    skip> I was a bit confused by this guy's note to webmaster.  At first I
    skip> thought he was having PyPI problems, but now I think he's having
    skip> Mailman problems.

    skip> Is there a PyPI developer on the pydotorg(-www)? mailing list who
    skip> can triage in case it is PyPI-related?

After reading his mail again I think maybe he's having wiki issues.  Talk
about a generic problem report.  Reminds me of Julia Sweeney's character
"Pat" on SNL.  You just can't tell!  :-)

Skip



From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 14:51:51 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:51:51 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] news item for python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110312171711.GA79838@andrew-kuchlings-macbook.local>
References: <6C2CE6B5-8854-4C29-B3A0-854B2BB1DDB1@gmail.com>
	<20110312171711.GA79838@andrew-kuchlings-macbook.local>
Message-ID: <D08A291B-0011-4425-9FBF-5D560BA88C85@gmail.com>

Thank you!

On Mar 12, 2011, at 12:17 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 07:47:44AM -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> I've attached a patch for the news section of the site 
> 
> Added; thanks!
> 
> --amk


From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Mon Mar 14 15:33:28 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:33:28 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiknnjvTT1RWrxJbOUc8S4EMpnzSMB1hjOTE7Zfz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYUjhYNCFznrM5xS8XEHLGQfKukVEEgwBtvy+U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiknnjvTT1RWrxJbOUc8S4EMpnzSMB1hjOTE7Zfz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimjfNv3f+pRCRefSFfYNPCbmgEbB_t0REuxvvqj@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'd also prefer menu font, button size and button text capitalization,
>>> logo alignment to be consistent with the main site/tracker.
>
>> I will try to work on that over the weekend. As I noted, the theme was
>> created some time ago, and there has been changes on the python.org
>> since.
>
> It took a little more time than expected (the font sizes on python.org
> are all percentile, which makes them hard to track across nested
> elements), but I think I now have something that more closely
> resembles the python.org website.

The new theme is now enabled as default. Please let me know if there
are any problems with it.

I also created a new user "moin" and made the moin wsgi process run as
it, for clarity.

-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Mon Mar 14 16:01:13 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:01:13 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] disoriented on first visit to site (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <19837.62288.825821.669136@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19837.61969.75572.66649@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<19837.62288.825821.669136@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinuaAZxLE+K_psZUc_dOHNX52j943grKRr5zUqF@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "skip" == skip ?<skip at pobox.com> writes:
>
> ? ?skip> I was a bit confused by this guy's note to webmaster. ?At first I
> ? ?skip> thought he was having PyPI problems, but now I think he's having
> ? ?skip> Mailman problems.
>
> ? ?skip> Is there a PyPI developer on the pydotorg(-www)? mailing list who
> ? ?skip> can triage in case it is PyPI-related?
>
> After reading his mail again I think maybe he's having wiki issues. ?Talk
> about a generic problem report. ?Reminds me of Julia Sweeney's character
> "Pat" on SNL. ?You just can't tell! ?:-)

I looked into the error log for the wiki, and I see a number of entries like:

[Mon Mar 14 15:33:01 2011] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] mod_wsgi
(pid=13236): Exception occurred processing WSGI script
'/data/moin/moin.wsgi'.
[Mon Mar 14 15:33:01 2011] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] IOError:
failed to write data

Unfortunately there is no full traceback, so it's hard to tell why it
is throwing an IOError...
-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From goodger at python.org  Mon Mar 14 16:09:55 2011
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:09:55 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] disoriented on first visit to site (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinuaAZxLE+K_psZUc_dOHNX52j943grKRr5zUqF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19837.61969.75572.66649@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<19837.62288.825821.669136@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<AANLkTinuaAZxLE+K_psZUc_dOHNX52j943grKRr5zUqF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=NQ4sFq_otqPABjB3hGncQ50b+Q5v-uBVJUpes@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:01, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM, ?<skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "skip" == skip ?<skip at pobox.com> writes:
>>
>> ? ?skip> I was a bit confused by this guy's note to webmaster. ?At first I
>> ? ?skip> thought he was having PyPI problems, but now I think he's having
>> ? ?skip> Mailman problems.
>>
>> ? ?skip> Is there a PyPI developer on the pydotorg(-www)? mailing list who
>> ? ?skip> can triage in case it is PyPI-related?
>>
>> After reading his mail again I think maybe he's having wiki issues. ?Talk
>> about a generic problem report. ?Reminds me of Julia Sweeney's character
>> "Pat" on SNL. ?You just can't tell! ?:-)
>
> I looked into the error log for the wiki, and I see a number of entries like:
>
> [Mon Mar 14 15:33:01 2011] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] mod_wsgi
> (pid=13236): Exception occurred processing WSGI script
> '/data/moin/moin.wsgi'.
> [Mon Mar 14 15:33:01 2011] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] IOError:
> failed to write data
>
> Unfortunately there is no full traceback, so it's hard to tell why it
> is throwing an IOError...

Might it have to do with the following (from thread "Re:
[pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)")?

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:33, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
> I also created a new user "moin" and made the moin wsgi process run as
> it, for clarity.

Are all the wiki file ownership and permissions set properly for this change?

In the past, we've seen problems from file ownership/permission issues
(e.g. not matching the process).

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Mon Mar 14 16:27:43 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:27:43 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] disoriented on first visit to site (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=NQ4sFq_otqPABjB3hGncQ50b+Q5v-uBVJUpes@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19837.61969.75572.66649@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<19837.62288.825821.669136@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<AANLkTinuaAZxLE+K_psZUc_dOHNX52j943grKRr5zUqF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=NQ4sFq_otqPABjB3hGncQ50b+Q5v-uBVJUpes@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinavy3_MfJmNkSF8Hw_bMZzbto2R5XaRLoHsD30@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:09 PM, David Goodger <goodger at python.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:01, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM, ?<skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "skip" == skip ?<skip at pobox.com> writes:
>>>
>>> ? ?skip> I was a bit confused by this guy's note to webmaster. ?At first I
>>> ? ?skip> thought he was having PyPI problems, but now I think he's having
>>> ? ?skip> Mailman problems.
>>>
>>> ? ?skip> Is there a PyPI developer on the pydotorg(-www)? mailing list who
>>> ? ?skip> can triage in case it is PyPI-related?
>>>
>>> After reading his mail again I think maybe he's having wiki issues. ?Talk
>>> about a generic problem report. ?Reminds me of Julia Sweeney's character
>>> "Pat" on SNL. ?You just can't tell! ?:-)
>>
>> I looked into the error log for the wiki, and I see a number of entries like:
>>
>> [Mon Mar 14 15:33:01 2011] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] mod_wsgi
>> (pid=13236): Exception occurred processing WSGI script
>> '/data/moin/moin.wsgi'.
>> [Mon Mar 14 15:33:01 2011] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] IOError:
>> failed to write data
>>
>> Unfortunately there is no full traceback, so it's hard to tell why it
>> is throwing an IOError...
>
> Might it have to do with the following (from thread "Re:
> [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)")?
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:33, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
>> I also created a new user "moin" and made the moin wsgi process run as
>> it, for clarity.
>
> Are all the wiki file ownership and permissions set properly for this change?
>
> In the past, we've seen problems from file ownership/permission issues
> (e.g. not matching the process).

Yes, I have changed the ownership of all wiki files, and I did some
tests on the main, jython and psf wikis -- they all seem to be working
well. I also don't see any additional bad stuff in the web server's
error logs, so I think we are good.


-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Mar 14 20:16:24 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:16:24 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: download in chinese ?? on http://python.org
Message-ID: <20110314191624.GB18901@panix.com>

Given the volume of these comments to webmaster, I'm going to add an
English explanation unless someone objects.

----- Forwarded message from akira <4kir4.1i at gmail.com> -----

> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:14:42 +0300
> From: akira <4kir4.1i at gmail.com>
> To: webmaster at python.org
> Subject: download in chinese ?? on http://python.org
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I see ?? <http://www.python.org/getit/> in the menu between Download
> and Community links. It points to http://www.python.org/getit/
> 
> Google says it 'Download' in Chinese. Is it by design?
> 
> 
> --
> akira

----- End forwarded message -----

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lying."  --Jill Lundquist

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Mon Mar 14 20:20:38 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:20:38 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] disoriented on first visit to site (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=NQ4sFq_otqPABjB3hGncQ50b+Q5v-uBVJUpes@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19837.61969.75572.66649@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<19837.62288.825821.669136@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<AANLkTinuaAZxLE+K_psZUc_dOHNX52j943grKRr5zUqF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=NQ4sFq_otqPABjB3hGncQ50b+Q5v-uBVJUpes@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinvQzim9JK3pQ13tCTtNZj0YgHjHZXw0A12AJhf@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, I misread that. The log entries are much older than this.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:09 PM, David Goodger <goodger at python.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:01, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM, ?<skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "skip" == skip ?<skip at pobox.com> writes:
>>>
>>> ? ?skip> I was a bit confused by this guy's note to webmaster. ?At first I
>>> ? ?skip> thought he was having PyPI problems, but now I think he's having
>>> ? ?skip> Mailman problems.
>>>
>>> ? ?skip> Is there a PyPI developer on the pydotorg(-www)? mailing list who
>>> ? ?skip> can triage in case it is PyPI-related?
>>>
>>> After reading his mail again I think maybe he's having wiki issues. ?Talk
>>> about a generic problem report. ?Reminds me of Julia Sweeney's character
>>> "Pat" on SNL. ?You just can't tell! ?:-)
>>
>> I looked into the error log for the wiki, and I see a number of entries like:
>>
>> [Mon Mar 14 15:33:01 2011] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] mod_wsgi
>> (pid=13236): Exception occurred processing WSGI script
>> '/data/moin/moin.wsgi'.
>> [Mon Mar 14 15:33:01 2011] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] IOError:
>> failed to write data
>>
>> Unfortunately there is no full traceback, so it's hard to tell why it
>> is throwing an IOError...
>
> Might it have to do with the following (from thread "Re:
> [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)")?
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:33, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl> wrote:
>> I also created a new user "moin" and made the moin wsgi process run as
>> it, for clarity.
>
> Are all the wiki file ownership and permissions set properly for this change?
>
> In the past, we've seen problems from file ownership/permission issues
> (e.g. not matching the process).
>
> --
> David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
>



-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From mfoord at python.org  Mon Mar 14 20:28:49 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:28:49 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: download in chinese ?? on http://python.org
In-Reply-To: <20110314191624.GB18901@panix.com>
References: <20110314191624.GB18901@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4D7E6C71.9080007@python.org>

On 14/03/2011 15:16, Aahz wrote:
> Given the volume of these comments to webmaster, I'm going to add an
> English explanation unless someone objects.

An English alt text for the link may be sufficient?

Michael

> ----- Forwarded message from akira<4kir4.1i at gmail.com>  -----
>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:14:42 +0300
>> From: akira<4kir4.1i at gmail.com>
>> To: webmaster at python.org
>> Subject: download in chinese ?? on http://python.org
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I see ??<http://www.python.org/getit/>  in the menu between Download
>> and Community links. It points to http://www.python.org/getit/
>>
>> Google says it 'Download' in Chinese. Is it by design?
>>
>>
>> --
>> akira
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>


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May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Mar 14 21:49:41 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:49:41 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimjfNv3f+pRCRefSFfYNPCbmgEbB_t0REuxvvqj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYUjhYNCFznrM5xS8XEHLGQfKukVEEgwBtvy+U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiknnjvTT1RWrxJbOUc8S4EMpnzSMB1hjOTE7Zfz@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimjfNv3f+pRCRefSFfYNPCbmgEbB_t0REuxvvqj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19838.32613.426982.403881@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Radomir> The new theme is now enabled as default.  Please let me know if
    Radomir> there are any problems with it.

What is the name of the new theme?  I now have nine choices as my preferred
theme.  Is nine too many?  Should we zap a few?

Skip

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Mon Mar 14 21:51:37 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:51:37 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <19838.32613.426982.403881@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYUjhYNCFznrM5xS8XEHLGQfKukVEEgwBtvy+U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiknnjvTT1RWrxJbOUc8S4EMpnzSMB1hjOTE7Zfz@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimjfNv3f+pRCRefSFfYNPCbmgEbB_t0REuxvvqj@mail.gmail.com>
	<19838.32613.426982.403881@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim9xD-qym95P+Pey0XMfWVBfTbZiyNFaseD+FV-@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:49 PM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> ? ?Radomir> The new theme is now enabled as default. ?Please let me know if
> ? ?Radomir> there are any problems with it.
>
> What is the name of the new theme? ?I now have nine choices as my preferred
> theme. ?Is nine too many? ?Should we zap a few?

The new theme is called "europython" (because that's where it was first used).
Selecting "<default>" will also work.
I can remove themes from the list, just tell me which ones.

-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Mar 15 02:21:28 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:21:28 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki theme enhancements (Re: Upgrades completed)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim9xD-qym95P+Pey0XMfWVBfTbZiyNFaseD+FV-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=0368FKwYZL_UJJ=g4EeR3DO_R9Tdbui-P-XbS@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikYUjhYNCFznrM5xS8XEHLGQfKukVEEgwBtvy+U@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTiknnjvTT1RWrxJbOUc8S4EMpnzSMB1hjOTE7Zfz@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimjfNv3f+pRCRefSFfYNPCbmgEbB_t0REuxvvqj@mail.gmail.com>	<19838.32613.426982.403881@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<AANLkTim9xD-qym95P+Pey0XMfWVBfTbZiyNFaseD+FV-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D7EBF18.7030301@v.loewis.de>

> The new theme is called "europython" (because that's where it was first used).
> Selecting "<default>" will also work.
> I can remove themes from the list, just tell me which ones.

I think this should be renamed to "python", and the python one be removed.

Regards,
Martin


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Mar 16 17:00:34 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:00:34 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: download in chinese ?? on http://python.org
In-Reply-To: <4D7E6C71.9080007@python.org>
References: <20110314191624.GB18901@panix.com>
 <4D7E6C71.9080007@python.org>
Message-ID: <20110316160034.GC29017@panix.com>

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011, Michael Foord wrote:
> On 14/03/2011 15:16, Aahz wrote:
>>
>>Given the volume of these comments to webmaster, I'm going to add an
>>English explanation unless someone objects.
> 
> An English alt text for the link may be sufficient?

Done!  We'll see if that helps.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Beware of companies that claim to be like a family.  They might not be
lying."  --Jill Lundquist

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 17:19:46 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:19:46 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] new DNS entry for python-dev blog
Message-ID: <98D0DA53-925A-40B3-A0A4-D3F2A7DB4080@gmail.com>

I'm not sure if this is the right group to take care of this, so please redirect me if I should go elsewhere.

The communications team is setting up an official blog for the python-dev group. We will host the blog on blogger.com, but want to set up blog.python.org to point to it. There are a couple of ways to accomplish, but the simplest is probably to create a CNAME record for blog.python.org pointing to ghs.google.com. Full details of all of the various mechanisms are at http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=55373 

Can someone on this list take care of the DNS entry?

Thanks,
Doug

--
Doug Hellmann
Communications Director
Python Software Foundation
http://python.org/psf/


From martin at v.loewis.de  Fri Mar 18 21:22:12 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:22:12 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] new DNS entry for python-dev blog
In-Reply-To: <98D0DA53-925A-40B3-A0A4-D3F2A7DB4080@gmail.com>
References: <98D0DA53-925A-40B3-A0A4-D3F2A7DB4080@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D83BEF4.30308@v.loewis.de>

> The communications team is setting up an official blog for the
> python-dev group. We will host the blog on blogger.com, but want to
> set up blog.python.org to point to it. There are a couple of ways to
> accomplish, but the simplest is probably to create a CNAME record for
> blog.python.org pointing to ghs.google.com. Full details of all of
> the various mechanisms are at
> http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=55373
> 
> 
> Can someone on this list take care of the DNS entry?

Done!

Martin

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 21:27:59 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:27:59 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] new DNS entry for python-dev blog
In-Reply-To: <4D83BEF4.30308@v.loewis.de>
References: <98D0DA53-925A-40B3-A0A4-D3F2A7DB4080@gmail.com>
	<4D83BEF4.30308@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <A3F38149-6731-449F-B676-0CE6B1BA7563@gmail.com>


On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:

>> The communications team is setting up an official blog for the
>> python-dev group. We will host the blog on blogger.com, but want to
>> set up blog.python.org to point to it. There are a couple of ways to
>> accomplish, but the simplest is probably to create a CNAME record for
>> blog.python.org pointing to ghs.google.com. Full details of all of
>> the various mechanisms are at
>> http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=55373
>> 
>> 
>> Can someone on this list take care of the DNS entry?
> 
> Done!
> 
> Martin

Thanks, Martin!


From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 22:12:04 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:12:04 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
Message-ID: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>

The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.

Thanks,
Doug


From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 14:41:36 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:41:36 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E9029E0-81E9-4471-A7BC-D730D6F29658@gmail.com>


On Mar 19, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote:

> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.

Does anyone have time to look at this today?

Thanks,
Doug


From mfoord at python.org  Mon Mar 21 14:47:10 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:47:10 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <2E9029E0-81E9-4471-A7BC-D730D6F29658@gmail.com>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
	<2E9029E0-81E9-4471-A7BC-D730D6F29658@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8756DE.6070303@python.org>

On 21/03/2011 13:41, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> On Mar 19, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>
>> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.
> Does anyone have time to look at this today?
Possibly. I'll do my best.

Michael

> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


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May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
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From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 15:41:43 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:41:43 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <4D8756DE.6070303@python.org>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
	<2E9029E0-81E9-4471-A7BC-D730D6F29658@gmail.com>
	<4D8756DE.6070303@python.org>
Message-ID: <FB1EC9DA-21CE-43DA-8FDF-6939F7E2BA92@gmail.com>


On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Michael Foord wrote:

> On 21/03/2011 13:41, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> On Mar 19, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> 
>>> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.
>> Does anyone have time to look at this today?
> Possibly. I'll do my best.

Thanks, Michael.

After things settle down, I'll do the legwork to get set up with commit access so I can take care of some of these things directly.

Doug


From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 13:12:19 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:12:19 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <FB1EC9DA-21CE-43DA-8FDF-6939F7E2BA92@gmail.com>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
	<2E9029E0-81E9-4471-A7BC-D730D6F29658@gmail.com>
	<4D8756DE.6070303@python.org>
	<FB1EC9DA-21CE-43DA-8FDF-6939F7E2BA92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE5D7A5A-51DF-4427-A7F6-010C4D5C675E@gmail.com>

We went ahead and launched Python Insider this morning. I didn't want to lose the team doing the writing to lose enthusiasm from a lack of momentum. So far we just have the welcome post on the site, but we will have some real posts going up in the next day or two.

On Mar 21, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:

> 
> On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
> 
>> On 21/03/2011 13:41, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> On Mar 19, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.
>>> Does anyone have time to look at this today?
>> Possibly. I'll do my best.
> 
> Thanks, Michael.
> 
> After things settle down, I'll do the legwork to get set up with commit access so I can take care of some of these things directly.
> 
> Doug
> 


From patcam at python.org  Wed Mar 23 16:12:33 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:12:33 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Online Degree Reviews - PSF Sponsor Membership
	- Please Add
Message-ID: <AANLkTikztiUzUDmwrTiceG=LFbu5FYqg56fW8zUK+J-E@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:

Could you please add Online Degree Reviews to the Sponsor web page:

http://www.python.org/psf/

Please add their company logo and URL. The company URL is:
 http://www.OnlineDegreeReviews.org <http://www.onlinedegreereviews.org/>
<http://www.zimbio.com/>and the logo is attached.

Thanks,
Pat

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Steve Rawlinson <steve at onlinedegreereviews.org>
Date: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Online Degree Reviews - PSF Sponsor Membership - PSF Board
Resolution Notificati?on
To: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>


Hi Pat,

I am very pleased to hear that our application was recommended by the board.
 We're eager to support the PSF.

Correct, both the PSF Representative and Billing Representative are myself,
Steve Rawlinson.

Our new company logo is attached (a small and large version).  We are in the
process of updating the graphics on our website, and the new logo should be
in use within the next few weeks.  The URL is
http://www.OnlineDegreeReviews.org <http://www.onlinedegreereviews.org/>

I'm sorry that my application was mostly unreadable.  I'm not sure how that
happened.  I've attached a copy of the application to this email in Rich
Text format, as well as a scanned copy in case you need the signature.

I believe that's everything, but if you need any additional information
please let me know.

Thanks!
Steve Rawlinson
OnlineDegreeReviews.org




On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:

> Hi Steve:
>
>
> This email notification is being sent to you to inform and congratulate you
> on the boards? decision with a unanimous vote to recommend Online Degree
> Reviews for sponsor member of the PSF. Therefore, your organization has
> become a pending sponsor member, subject to ratification at the next
> members? meeting election, currently scheduled from March 25 thru April 8,
> 2011. The election results should be available on or before April 15, 2011.
> Please see the following board resolution that was voted on and passed on
> March 21, 2011 below:
>
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Board of Directors recommend Online Degree Reviews to
> the membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF.
>
>
>
> At this point, however, I am requesting confirmation from you on the names
> of your PSF Representative and on your Billing Representative. Our records
> show the PSF Representative as Steve Rawlinson, and your Billing
> Representative as Steve Rawlinson.
>
>
>
> Additionally, please send me your company logo and a URL to be linked from
> the Python Software Foundation?s website.  I will also need another PSF
> membership application form completed by you because the one submitted to us
> was mostly unreadable.  If you need any additional information regarding
> the current status of your PSF membership application, please let me know.
>
>
>
> Congratulations!
>
>
>
> Pat Campbell, Secretary
>
> Python Software Foundation
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
>




-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Wed Mar 23 17:44:09 2011
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:44:09 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Online Degree Reviews - PSF Sponsor
	Membership - Please Add
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikztiUzUDmwrTiceG=LFbu5FYqg56fW8zUK+J-E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikztiUzUDmwrTiceG=LFbu5FYqg56fW8zUK+J-E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F602E7D2-C250-4609-B8D5-4FBC8FD3E5B3@holdenweb.com>

Please note, if it makes a difference, that Online Degree Reviews currently a pending sponsor member.

regards
 Steve

On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Pat Campbell wrote:

> Hi Pydotorg:
>  
> Could you please add Online Degree Reviews to the Sponsor web page:
>  
> http://www.python.org/psf/
>  
> Please add their company logo and URL. The company URL is:
>  http://www.OnlineDegreeReviews.org and the logo is attached.
>  
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Steve Rawlinson <steve at onlinedegreereviews.org>
> Date: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Online Degree Reviews - PSF Sponsor Membership - PSF Board Resolution Notificati?on
> To: Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org>
> 
> 
> Hi Pat,
> 
> I am very pleased to hear that our application was recommended by the board.  We're eager to support the PSF.
> 
> Correct, both the PSF Representative and Billing Representative are myself, Steve Rawlinson.
> 
> Our new company logo is attached (a small and large version).  We are in the process of updating the graphics on our website, and the new logo should be in use within the next few weeks.  The URL is http://www.OnlineDegreeReviews.org  
> 
> I'm sorry that my application was mostly unreadable.  I'm not sure how that happened.  I've attached a copy of the application to this email in Rich Text format, as well as a scanned copy in case you need the signature.
> 
> I believe that's everything, but if you need any additional information please let me know.
> 
> Thanks!
> Steve Rawlinson
> OnlineDegreeReviews.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> Hi Steve:
>  
> This email notification is being sent to you to inform and congratulate you on the boards? decision with a unanimous vote to recommend Online Degree Reviews for sponsor member of the PSF. Therefore, your organization has become a pending sponsor member, subject to ratification at the next members? meeting election, currently scheduled from March 25 thru April 8, 2011. The election results should be available on or before April 15, 2011. Please see the following board resolution that was voted on and passed on March 21, 2011 below:
>  
> RESOLVED, that the Board of Directors recommend Online Degree Reviews to the membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF.
>  
> At this point, however, I am requesting confirmation from you on the names of your PSF Representative and on your Billing Representative. Our records show the PSF Representative as Steve Rawlinson, and your Billing Representative as Steve Rawlinson.
>  
> Additionally, please send me your company logo and a URL to be linked from the Python Software Foundation?s website.  I will also need another PSF membership application form completed by you because the one submitted to us was mostly unreadable.  If you need any additional information regarding the current status of your PSF membership application, please let me know.
>  
> Congratulations!
>  
> Pat Campbell, Secretary
> Python Software Foundation
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> <OnlineDegreeReviews-Logo-small.png><OnlineDegreeReviews-Logo.png>_______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www

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From mfoord at python.org  Thu Mar 24 02:36:06 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:36:06 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8AA006.9060303@python.org>

Hello Doug,

I've added the Python Insider feed to the Planet. It will show up shortly.

All the best,

Michael Foord

On 19/03/2011 21:12, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


-- 
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 11:38:17 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:38:17 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <4D8AA006.9060303@python.org>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
	<4D8AA006.9060303@python.org>
Message-ID: <05233599-B24D-4A33-BCF1-77F376EA8240@gmail.com>

Thanks, Michael!

What can I do to get commit access so I can make some of these sorts of changes myself in the future? I followed the instructions on the web site and emailed webmaster, but haven't had a response to that message, yet.

Doug


On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Michael Foord wrote:

> Hello Doug,
> 
> I've added the Python Insider feed to the Planet. It will show up shortly.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Michael Foord
> 
> On 19/03/2011 21:12, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 
> 
> -- 
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> 
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> 


From mfoord at python.org  Thu Mar 24 11:59:10 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:59:10 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <05233599-B24D-4A33-BCF1-77F376EA8240@gmail.com>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
	<4D8AA006.9060303@python.org>
	<05233599-B24D-4A33-BCF1-77F376EA8240@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8B23FE.6020207@python.org>

On 24/03/2011 10:38, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> Thanks, Michael!
>
> What can I do to get commit access so I can make some of these sorts of changes myself in the future? I followed the instructions on the web site and emailed webmaster, but haven't had a response to that message, yet.
>

Hello Doug,

Well, this email list is the *right* place to ask for access to the 
python.org repo. I'm not sure who has admin access to put your ssh key 
in place - Martin and amk were doing these and I know they're both busy.

Which page still says to email the webmaster? I thought we'd changed that.

All the best,

Michael

> Doug
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
>
>> Hello Doug,
>>
>> I've added the Python Insider feed to the Planet. It will show up shortly.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Michael Foord
>>
>> On 19/03/2011 21:12, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>
>> -- 
>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>>
>> May you do good and not evil
>> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
>> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
>> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>>


-- 
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 12:12:41 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:12:41 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <4D8B23FE.6020207@python.org>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>
	<4D8AA006.9060303@python.org>
	<05233599-B24D-4A33-BCF1-77F376EA8240@gmail.com>
	<4D8B23FE.6020207@python.org>
Message-ID: <DC5920D2-96CF-4A18-8ADA-52D1C7961926@gmail.com>


On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Michael Foord wrote:

> On 24/03/2011 10:38, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> Thanks, Michael!
>> 
>> What can I do to get commit access so I can make some of these sorts of changes myself in the future? I followed the instructions on the web site and emailed webmaster, but haven't had a response to that message, yet.
>> 
> 
> Hello Doug,
> 
> Well, this email list is the *right* place to ask for access to the python.org repo.

I thought it might have been wrong, but I wasn't sure where that alias actually went.

> I'm not sure who has admin access to put your ssh key in place - Martin and amk were doing these and I know they're both busy.

OK.

> Which page still says to email the webmaster? I thought we'd changed that.

http://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/website/

> 
> All the best,
> 
> Michael
> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Doug,
>>> 
>>> I've added the Python Insider feed to the Planet. It will show up shortly.
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Michael Foord
>>> 
>>> On 19/03/2011 21:12, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>>> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Doug
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>>>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>>> 
>>> May you do good and not evil
>>> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
>>> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
>>> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> 
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> 


From mfoord at python.org  Thu Mar 24 12:13:59 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:13:59 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] add "Python Insider" feed to planet list
In-Reply-To: <DC5920D2-96CF-4A18-8ADA-52D1C7961926@gmail.com>
References: <01704ECA-594C-4A8C-A9B5-F6E611624824@gmail.com>	<4D8AA006.9060303@python.org>	<05233599-B24D-4A33-BCF1-77F376EA8240@gmail.com>	<4D8B23FE.6020207@python.org>
	<DC5920D2-96CF-4A18-8ADA-52D1C7961926@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8B2777.8060804@python.org>

On 24/03/2011 11:12, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> [snip...]
>> Which page still says to email the webmaster? I thought we'd changed that.
> http://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/website/
>

Thanks - I can fix that.

Michael

>> All the best,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Doug,
>>>>
>>>> I've added the Python Insider feed to the Planet. It will show up shortly.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Michael Foord
>>>>
>>>> On 19/03/2011 21:12, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>>>> The new Python core developer blog, "Python Insider", is up and running. We haven't posted anything, yet, but the feed is available (http://feeds.feedburner.com/PythonInsider). Please add the feed to the list of subscriptions for planet.python.org. We are going to try to have the first post live on the blog in the next week, and I would like the feed added before we publish that post.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>>>>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>>> -- 
>>>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>>>>
>>>> May you do good and not evil
>>>> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
>>>> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
>>>> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>>
>> May you do good and not evil
>> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
>> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
>> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


-- 
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From skip at pobox.com  Thu Mar 24 15:20:03 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:20:03 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Tighten up Jython wiki settings a bit?
Message-ID: <19851.21267.405735.152548@montanaro.dyndns.org>


The Jython wiki seems to get spammed at a low, but fairly constant rate:

    http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges?max_days=14

Andrew obligingly deletes the offending pages.  They seem to all be created
by logged in users whose names match the pages they create, so I'm confident
we are dealing with a bot.  Can we enable the TextCha capability for that
wiki?

Thx,

Skip

From patcam at python.org  Thu Mar 24 19:10:46 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:10:46 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?PSF_Members=92_Meeting_Minutes_fo?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r_March_11=2C_2011-_Please_Post?=
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5MmQY=NCZ1xJr-ErXsQwVsRZ7wD5qGeJsaS1_@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:

 Could you please post ?The Python Software Foundation Minutes of the 2011
Members? Meeting March 11, 2011?

online at http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/ .

The Members Meeting was held at PyCon US 2011 in Atlanta, Georgia.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Pat

-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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| The Python Software Foundation
| Minutes of the 2010 Members' Meeting
|
| March 11, 2011

The Python Software Foundation (the "PSF") held an annual 
members' meeting on March 11, 2011 during lunch at the Hyatt
Regency Atlanta hotel in Atlanta, Georgia, USA (PyCon 2011 Atlanta).
Steve Holden presided over the meeting. Pat Campbell prepared these 
minutes.


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Attendance
==========

47 nominated members were present at the meeting:

    * Jim Baker
    * Facundo Batista
    * Ian Bicking
    * C.Titus Brown
    * Jean-Paul Calderone
    * Brett Cannon
    * Wesley Chun
    * Nick Coghlan
    * Dr.Tim Couper
    * Laura Creighton
    * Stephan Deibel
    * Graham Dumpleton
    * Jeff Elkner
    * Michael Foord
    * Jim Fulton
    * Jacob Hall?n
    * Doug Hellmann
    * Raymond Hettinger
    * Steve Holden
    * Adrian Holovaty
    * Gloria W.Jacobs
    * Kurt Kaiser
    * Jacob Kaplan-Moss
    * Glyph Lefkowitz
    * Van Lindberg
    * Alex Martelli
    * Anna Martelli Ravenscroft
    * Harald Armin Massa
    * David Mertz
    * Mike M?ller
    * R.David Murray
    * Doug Napoleone
    * Jesse Noller
    * Terry Pepper
    * Allison Randal
    * Brandon Rhodes
    * Armin Rigo
    * Arc Riley
    * Jeff Rush
    * Eric V.Smith
    * James Tauber
    * Guido van Rossum
    * Martin von Loewis
    * Barry Warsaw
    * Frank Wierzbicki
    * Thomas Wouters
    * Moshe Zadka
    
5 representatives of sponsor members were present:

    * Canonical, represented by Barry Warsaw
    * CCP Games, represented by Kristj?n Valur J?nsson
    * Google, represented by Guido van Rossum for Dan Bentley
    * Merfin LLC, represented by Reggie Dugard
    * Strakt Holdings, represented by Laura Creighton
    
8 PSF nominated membership nominees for 2011 were present:

    * Ned Batchelder
    * Vern Ceder
    * Rick Copeland
    * Brian Curtin
    * Yannick Gingras
    * Jonathan LaCour
    * Ronald Oussoren
    * Greg P.Smith

    
Greetings & Announcements
=========================

On March 11, 2011 at the PyCon US Conference held at the Hyatt Regency
in Atlanta,Georgia, Steve Holden, PSF member and chairman of the board 
called the PSF Members' Meeting to order at 12:30 pm [EST] during a 
catered lunch for members and guest. 

PSF members (nominated and sponsor) and new PSF nominated membership
candidates were greeted and welcomed. 

During the PSF members' meeting and lunch S. Holden begun announcements 
with: 

"Their is no formal agenda since there is no formal business to
be conducted. Basically, we are just going to have a "welcome to
everyone." There is going to be a roll call." 

Members and prospective members were asked to sign there names on the 
meeting attendance sign-in sheet that was being passed around the room.

Afterward, members were reminded of the upcoming members' meeting to 
be held at EuroPython 2011 in Florence, Italy, June 20-26.


Board Report
============

S. Holden presented a brief and informal board report to members 
which included mentioning that 2010 was a more successful year for the 
organization financially, especially, after having gone through some 
financial pitfalls in 2009.

"If you saw my ten minute talk this morning, that is basically the board
report. We have been trying to do good things. We have been trying to
recover from a bad financial situation. Thanks to Van [Lindberg's] and  
Jesse [Noller's] hardwork over the past two years, PyCon is now on the road
again as a popular and revenue contributing activity. So thanks very much
to them. [the audience applauds] Things are getting a little better. We 
have spent as much money as we felt we safely could on supporting 
community-oriented activities of the kind that I described with other
conferences." 

Next, Guido van Rossum, PSF President, was anknowledged and then asked to 
say a few words on how he felt about the current state of affairs with the 
PSF.

"Basically, I would like to hear from the president who I know had certain
criticisms last year about the way the foundation was conducting itself -- 
that he does feel that we are successfully back on track now. [S. Holden
glances over at G.v Rossum during a brief pause] Good! Thank-you very much!
[the audience roars with laughter]. In that case, that is the end of the
board report."


Financial Report
================

The treasurer, Kurt Kaiser, presented everyone with a two-page hardcopy of 
his report: a PSF Accrual Basis Balance Sheet for March 10, 2011, Revision 1
which included 2008 to the present figures and a PSF Accrual Basis PyCon 
2010 Income Statement for March 10, 2011 which included 2009 and 2010 
figures.

Then, he briefly reported on the financials for 2010 for the PSF and
PyCon US.

"Last year PyCon US did very well and turned in a $70,000 profit. Overall,
the PSF turned in a $50,000 profit."


Introduction of the 2011 Members' Election Candidates
=======================================================

During this portion of the members' meeting, all board candidates who
were present at the meeting and running for reelection, stoodup after
their names had been called by the chairman. The board of directors
currently consist of 13 members.

Next, the new nominated membership candidates were acknowledged. The 
prospective members who were present briefly introduced themselves to 
the current PSF membership after their name had been called.

Then, S. Holden reminded everyone of the upcoming 2011 members election 
and member nomination deadline.

"Since the ballot does not go out until next week, there is still time
to get further membership nominations on the ballot if you want to and
we are going to be doing the electronic ballot in the same way that we
did last year."

2010 & 2011 Active PSF Projects
===============================

During the final portion of the members' meeting, S. Holden  presented 
members with a list and brief summary of the 2010 & 2011 active and 
completed projects the PSF, board of directors, officers, and a host of
volunteers from the PSF community had either started or had been involved 
in since the last members' meeting held at PyCon US in February 2010. 
Project leaders were also introduced to members and recognized for their 
work.

The 2010 & 2011 active and completed PSF projects and leaders included:

PSF Infrastructure Committee (IC)			Sean Reifschneider

PSF Sprints Program					Jesse Noller

PSF Trademarks Committee (TMC)				David Mertz

PSF Communications Project				Doug Hellmann

PSF Honorary Associate Membership (HAM) Project		Pat Campbell & Kurt Kaiser

PSF Python Brochure Project				Marc-Andre Lemburg

PyPI Cloud Mirroring Project				Marc-Andre Lemburg

PyCon US Website Project				Doug Napoleone

Core Development Tasks Project				Brett Cannon

pyOpenSSL Project					Jean-Paul Calderone


Adjourment
==========

Steve Holden thanked everyone for attending and adjourned the informal members'
meeting at approximately 1:30pm (EST), local time.

















From martin at v.loewis.de  Thu Mar 24 22:44:26 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:44:26 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Tighten up Jython wiki settings a bit?
In-Reply-To: <19851.21267.405735.152548@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19851.21267.405735.152548@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4D8BBB3A.8050701@v.loewis.de>

Am 24.03.2011 15:20, schrieb skip at pobox.com:
> 
> The Jython wiki seems to get spammed at a low, but fairly constant rate:
> 
>     http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges?max_days=14
> 
> Andrew obligingly deletes the offending pages.  They seem to all be created
> by logged in users whose names match the pages they create, so I'm confident
> we are dealing with a bot.  Can we enable the TextCha capability for that
> wiki?

Radomir?

Regards,
Martin

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 01:35:53 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:35:53 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>

oDesk want to add a link pointing to Python job listings to our Jobs page. Does anyone have an opinion about whether or not to do it? Is there a formal policy?

I am not advocating for them, but they contacted me so I thought I would deliver the message.

Doug

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Matt Gniadek <mgniadek at odesk.com>
> Date: March 24, 2011 8:25:16 PM EDT
> To: Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
> 
> Doug,
> 
> We are willing to launch and manage a Python Group on oDesk if you are willing to link to it from your job board page.  For employers looking for contractors / freelancers, a Python Group would help them find and hire high caliber Python developers (there are over 300 Python developers on oDesk that have high feedback scores).  
> 
> Would you be open to including a link to a Python oDesk Group in the Employers / Recruiters section of your Job Board?  
> 
> Please let me know your thoughts.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Matt Gniadek wrote:
> 
>> Doug,
>> 
>> I have a few potential ideas regarding how we might be able to work together.  Here are my ideas:
>> Python could launch an oDesk Group as a way to help its community access high caliber Python developers on oDesk (we could help you recruit developers that meet defined quality thresholds).  A few open source organizations have launched Groups on oDesk (Joomla, Drupal, etc).  Your community would be able to access vetted talent via your Group.  Your users would then be able to evaluate contractors based on online profiles, feedback scores, verified work histories, rate info, etc.  
> 
> If something like that existed we might link to it from the job board page (like we do with the other jobs sites), but I don't think we have anyone willing to do the work of setting it up and maintaining it.
> 
>> Launch a Python Developer Directory on your site that would feature top-notch oDesk contractors with extensive Python experience (this could also feature existing developers in your community)
>> 
>> Link to a list of Python developers on oDesk that have high feedback scores (would help your community find and hire developers for their projects).  This could be similar to the links you have on your site to various job boards (Career Builder, Dice, SimplyHired, etc)
> These don't seem as interesting. Top developers already get a lot of unwanted email from recruiters, and the ones that do not consider it "unwanted" know how to publicize themselves (including, through oDesk).
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
> 
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From martin at v.loewis.de  Fri Mar 25 02:04:59 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:04:59 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
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Am 25.03.2011 01:35, schrieb Doug Hellmann:
> oDesk want to add a link pointing to Python job listings to our Jobs
> page. Does anyone have an opinion about whether or not to do it? Is
> there a formal policy?

IIRC, the formal policy is that we add the link if it points to a
well-filtered list of Python-specific jobs (which makes this
a chicken-and-egg problem :-)

I don't know what oDesk actually does (ISTM that they list
professionals, not jobs); if they are a job aggregator, we
indicate this in the listing. If they indeed do list professionals:
what's the technical term for the kind of service they provide?
We should clearly label the listing with that term (as I believe
it would be the first one of its kind).

Regards,
Martin

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 02:37:23 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 21:37:23 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <4D8BEA3B.7090503@v.loewis.de>
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On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:

> Am 25.03.2011 01:35, schrieb Doug Hellmann:
>> oDesk want to add a link pointing to Python job listings to our Jobs
>> page. Does anyone have an opinion about whether or not to do it? Is
>> there a formal policy?
> 
> IIRC, the formal policy is that we add the link if it points to a
> well-filtered list of Python-specific jobs (which makes this
> a chicken-and-egg problem :-)

I did explain to them that we would have to have a Python-specific page to link to, and that we didn't have anyone to set up or maintain it. He initially wanted me to "sponsor" a group which sounded like a request for money, but from looking at the site I'm not sure that was really the case.

> I don't know what oDesk actually does (ISTM that they list
> professionals, not jobs); if they are a job aggregator, we

Yes, I think you're right, they seem to be pitching it differently from most job sites. They still do have job listings, though, so I think it is more a matter of marketing than anything.

They are focusing on contract positions, so what if I propose that we link the text "oDesk (Contractors)" from the menu on http://python.org/community/jobs/ to the URL they create for their Python group?

> indicate this in the listing. If they indeed do list professionals:
> what's the technical term for the kind of service they provide?
> We should clearly label the listing with that term (as I believe
> it would be the first one of its kind).
> 
> Regards,
> Martin


From patcam at python.org  Fri Mar 25 03:57:08 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:57:08 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
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Please see a revised version of the Members' Meeting in the attachment and
disregard the previous version sent.

Thanks,
Pat

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:

> Hi Pydotorg:
>
>  Could you please post ?The Python Software Foundation Minutes of the 2011
> Members? Meeting March 11, 2011?
>
> online at http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/ .
>
> The Members Meeting was held at PyCon US 2011 in Atlanta, Georgia.
>
> If you have any questions, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
>



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| The Python Software Foundation
| Minutes of the 2010 Members' Meeting
|
| March 11, 2011

The Python Software Foundation (the "PSF") held an annual 
members' meeting on March 11, 2011 during lunch at the Hyatt
Regency Atlanta hotel in Atlanta, Georgia, USA (PyCon 2011 Atlanta).
Steve Holden presided over the meeting. Pat Campbell prepared these 
minutes.


.. sectnum::
.. contents::


Attendance
==========

47 nominated members were present at the meeting:

    * Jim Baker
    * Facundo Batista
    * Ian Bicking
    * C.Titus Brown
    * Jean-Paul Calderone
    * Brett Cannon
    * Wesley Chun
    * Nick Coghlan
    * Dr.Tim Couper
    * Laura Creighton
    * Stephan Deibel
    * Graham Dumpleton
    * Jeff Elkner
    * Michael Foord
    * Jim Fulton
    * Jacob Hall?n
    * Doug Hellmann
    * Raymond Hettinger
    * Steve Holden
    * Adrian Holovaty
    * Gloria W.Jacobs
    * Kurt Kaiser
    * Jacob Kaplan-Moss
    * Glyph Lefkowitz
    * Van Lindberg
    * Alex Martelli
    * Anna Martelli Ravenscroft
    * Harald Armin Massa
    * David Mertz
    * Mike M?ller
    * R.David Murray
    * Doug Napoleone
    * Jesse Noller
    * Terry Pepper
    * Allison Randal
    * Brandon Rhodes
    * Armin Rigo
    * Arc Riley
    * Jeff Rush
    * Eric V.Smith
    * James Tauber
    * Guido van Rossum
    * Martin von Loewis
    * Barry Warsaw
    * Frank Wierzbicki
    * Thomas Wouters
    * Moshe Zadka
    
5 representatives of sponsor members were present:

    * Canonical, represented by Barry Warsaw
    * CCP Games, represented by Kristj?n Valur J?nsson
    * Google, represented by Guido van Rossum for Dan Bentley
    * Merfin LLC, represented by Reggie Dugard
    * Strakt Holdings, represented by Laura Creighton
    
8 PSF nominated membership nominees for 2011 were present:

    * Ned Batchelder
    * Vern Ceder
    * Rick Copeland
    * Brian Curtin
    * Yannick Gingras
    * Jonathan LaCour
    * Ronald Oussoren
    * Greg P.Smith

    
Greetings & Announcements
=========================

On March 11, 2011 at the PyCon US Conference held at the Hyatt Regency
in Atlanta,Georgia, Steve Holden, PSF member and chairman of the board 
called the PSF Members' Meeting to order at 12:30 pm [EST] during a 
catered lunch for members and guest. 

PSF members (nominated and sponsor) and new PSF nominated membership
candidates were greeted and welcomed. 

During the PSF members' meeting and lunch S. Holden began announcements 
with: 

"There is no formal agenda since there is no formal business to
be conducted. Basically, we are just going to have a "welcome to
everyone." There is going to be a roll call." 

Members and prospective members were asked to sign their names on the 
meeting attendance sign-in sheet that was being passed around the room.

Afterward, members were reminded of the upcoming members' meeting to 
be held at EuroPython 2011 in Florence, Italy, June 20-26.


Board Report
============

S. Holden presented a brief and informal board report to members 
which included mentioning that 2010 was a more successful year for the 
organization financially, especially, after having gone through some 
financial pitfalls in 2009.

"If you saw my ten minute talk this morning, that is basically the board
report. We have been trying to do good things. We have been trying to
recover from a bad financial situation. Thanks to Van [Lindberg's] and  
Jesse [Noller's] hard work over the past two years, PyCon is now on the road
again as a popular and revenue contributing activity. So thanks very much
to them. [the audience applauds] Things are getting a little better. We 
have spent as much money as we felt we safely could on supporting 
community-oriented activities of the kind that I described with other
conferences." 

Next, Guido van Rossum, PSF President, was acknowledged and then asked to 
say a few words on how he felt about the current state of affairs with the 
PSF;

"Basically, I would like to hear from the president who I know had certain
criticisms last year about the way the foundation was conducting itself -- 
that he does feel that we are successfully back on track now. [S. Holden
glances over at G.v Rossum during a brief pause] Good! Thank-you very much!
[the audience roars with laughter]. In that case, that is the end of the
board report."


Financial Report
================

The treasurer, Kurt Kaiser, presented everyone with a two-page hard copy of 
his report: a PSF Accrual Basis Balance Sheet for March 10, 2011, Revision 1
which included 2008 to the present figures and a PSF Accrual Basis PyCon 
2010 Income Statement for March 10, 2011 which included 2009 and 2010 
figures.

Then, he briefly reported on the financials for 2010 for the PSF and
PyCon US.

"Last year PyCon US did very well and turned in a $70,000 profit. Overall,
the PSF turned in a $50,000 profit."


Introduction of the 2011 Members' Election Candidates
=======================================================

During this portion of the members' meeting, all board candidates who
were present at the meeting and running for reelection, stoodup after
their names had been called by the chairman. The board of directors
currently consist of 13 members.

Next, the new nominated membership candidates were acknowledged. The 
prospective members who were present briefly introduced themselves to 
the current PSF membership after their name had been called.

Then, S. Holden reminded everyone of the upcoming 2011 members election 
and member nomination deadline.

"Since the ballot does not go out until next week, there is still time
to get further membership nominations on the ballot if you want to and
we are going to be doing the electronic ballot in the same way that we
did last year."

2010 & 2011 Active PSF Projects
===============================

During the final portion of the members' meeting, S. Holden  presented 
members with a list and brief summary of the 2010 & 2011 active and 
completed projects the PSF, board of directors, officers, and a host of
volunteers from the PSF community had either started or had been involved 
in since the last members' meeting held at PyCon US in February 2010. 
Project leaders were also introduced to members and recognized for their 
work.

The 2010 & 2011 active and completed PSF projects and leaders included:

PSF Infrastructure Committee (IC)			Sean Reifschneider

PSF Sprints Program					Jesse Noller

PSF Trademarks Committee (TMC)				David Mertz

PSF Communications Project				Doug Hellmann

PSF Honorary Associate Membership (HAM) Project		Pat Campbell & Kurt Kaiser

PSF Python Brochure Project				Marc-Andre Lemburg

PyPI Cloud Mirroring Project				Marc-Andre Lemburg

PyCon US Website Project				Doug Napoleone

Core Development Tasks Project				Brett Cannon

pyOpenSSL Project					Jean-Paul Calderone


Adjournment
===========

Steve Holden thanked everyone for attending and adjourned the informal members'
meeting at approximately 1:30pm (EST), local time.

















From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar 25 04:04:36 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:04:36 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] is hg.python.org down?
Message-ID: <19852.1604.505000.854700@montanaro.dyndns.org>

Just tried (22:04 Central Daylight Time US) pulling from the central
repository and got this:

    % hg pull -u
    remote: ssh: connect to host hg.python.org port 22: Operation timed out
    abort: no suitable response from remote hg!

Traceroute suggests a problem somewhere near the machine:

    % traceroute hg.python.org
    traceroute to dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
     1  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  1.898 ms  15.851 ms  3.115 ms
     2  c-24-12-184-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net (24.12.184.1)  37.714 ms  19.745 ms  30.538 ms
     3  te-6-7-ur01.mortongrove.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.85.208.217)  11.637 ms  15.292 ms  16.209 ms
     4  te-1-4-0-0-ar01.elmhurst.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.87.230.57)  17.749 ms  21.031 ms  12.195 ms
     5  pos-0-1-0-0-ar01.area4.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.87.230.237)  16.774 ms  14.756 ms  16.093 ms
     6  pos-1-11-0-0-cr01.chicago.il.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.95.9)  19.645 ms  12.084 ms  13.297 ms
     7  pos-1-1-0-0-pe01.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.86.38)  16.588 ms  12.382 ms  18.866 ms
     8  xe-9-0-0.chi10.ip4.tinet.net (77.67.71.145)  15.893 ms  26.224 ms  27.462 ms
     9  xe-2-1-0.ams12.ip4.tinet.net (213.200.80.17)  157.835 ms xe-3-3-0.ams12.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.187.202)  127.062 ms xe-2-1-0.ams12.ip4.tinet.net (213.200.80.17)  128.202 ms
    10  xs4all-internet-gw.ip4.tinet.net (77.67.74.210)  117.294 ms  125.906 ms  122.334 ms
    11  0.so-2-0-0.xr4.1d12.xs4all.net (194.109.5.9)  129.438 ms !N 0.so-2-0-0.xr3.3d12.xs4all.net (194.109.5.13)  132.098 ms !N 0.so-2-0-0.xr4.1d12.xs4all.net (194.109.5.9)  145.906 ms !N

Skip

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Fri Mar 25 11:35:52 2011
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:35:52 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>
	<F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk>

Hi All,

On 25/03/2011 00:35, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> oDesk want to add a link pointing to Python job listings to our Jobs
> page. Does anyone have an opinion about whether or not to do it? Is
> there a formal policy?
>
> I am not advocating for them, but they contacted me so I thought I would
> deliver the message.

FWIW, re-implementing the job board as a small web app is rapidly rising 
up my list, I'm justing getting paid work done before I come to it. Once 
it's ready, I'd ideally like to have it up and running on 
http://jobs.python.org.

Does that sound feasible?

On the subject of links or other places, I'm actually pretty strongly in 
favour of removing them all. People looking for jobs know where to look 
for their own country, and I haven't seen any value in those side bar 
links to us as a community, they only appear to serve the people they 
link to having a high pagerank link pointing to sites which make them 
money ;-)

cheers,

Chris

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From mfoord at python.org  Fri Mar 25 11:37:18 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:37:18 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>	<F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>
	<4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>

On 25/03/2011 10:35, Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> On 25/03/2011 00:35, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> oDesk want to add a link pointing to Python job listings to our Jobs
>> page. Does anyone have an opinion about whether or not to do it? Is
>> there a formal policy?
>>
>> I am not advocating for them, but they contacted me so I thought I would
>> deliver the message.
>
> FWIW, re-implementing the job board as a small web app is rapidly 
> rising up my list, I'm justing getting paid work done before I come to 
> it. Once it's ready, I'd ideally like to have it up and running on 
> http://jobs.python.org.
>
> Does that sound feasible?
>
Sounds like the right place for it....

> On the subject of links or other places, I'm actually pretty strongly 
> in favour of removing them all. People looking for jobs know where to 
> look for their own country, and I haven't seen any value in those side 
> bar links to us as a community, they only appear to serve the people 
> they link to having a high pagerank link pointing to sites which make 
> them money ;-)
>
I don't see much value in the sidebar links either.

All the best,

Michael

> cheers,
>
> Chris
>


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From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 11:49:50 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:49:50 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>	<F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>
	<4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk> <4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>
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On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Michael Foord wrote:

> On 25/03/2011 10:35, Chris Withers wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> On 25/03/2011 00:35, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> oDesk want to add a link pointing to Python job listings to our Jobs
>>> page. Does anyone have an opinion about whether or not to do it? Is
>>> there a formal policy?
>>> 
>>> I am not advocating for them, but they contacted me so I thought I would
>>> deliver the message.
>> 
>> FWIW, re-implementing the job board as a small web app is rapidly rising up my list, I'm justing getting paid work done before I come to it. Once it's ready, I'd ideally like to have it up and running on http://jobs.python.org.
>> 
>> Does that sound feasible?
>> 
> Sounds like the right place for it....
> 
>> On the subject of links or other places, I'm actually pretty strongly in favour of removing them all. People looking for jobs know where to look for their own country, and I haven't seen any value in those side bar links to us as a community, they only appear to serve the people they link to having a high pagerank link pointing to sites which make them money ;-)
>> 
> I don't see much value in the sidebar links either.

OK, I'll just tell oDesk "no," then to have one less link to remove later.

Doug


From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar 25 13:54:17 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:54:17 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>
	<F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>
	<4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk> <4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>
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    >> On the subject of links or other places, I'm actually pretty strongly
    >> in favour of removing them all. People looking for jobs know where to
    >> look for their own country, and I haven't seen any value in those
    >> side bar links to us as a community, they only appear to serve the
    >> people they link to having a high pagerank link pointing to sites
    >> which make them money ;-)

    Michael> I don't see much value in the sidebar links either.

Agreed.  They had some marginal benefit several years ago when the job board
first started and only had a couple postings, but the recruiters, HR people,
and job hunters pretty much seem to all know this is the place to be now.  I
suspect that all we are doing with the links is providing an opportunity for
job hunters to waste time poking around those sites for nothing.

Chris, next time you're in there, please just rip them all out.

Skip

From mal at egenix.com  Fri Mar 25 14:16:40 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:16:40 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <19852.36985.247848.775951@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>	<F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>	<4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk>
	<4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>
	<19852.36985.247848.775951@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4D8C95B8.30902@egenix.com>

skip at pobox.com wrote:
> 
>     >> On the subject of links or other places, I'm actually pretty strongly
>     >> in favour of removing them all. People looking for jobs know where to
>     >> look for their own country, and I haven't seen any value in those
>     >> side bar links to us as a community, they only appear to serve the
>     >> people they link to having a high pagerank link pointing to sites
>     >> which make them money ;-)
> 
>     Michael> I don't see much value in the sidebar links either.
> 
> Agreed.  They had some marginal benefit several years ago when the job board
> first started and only had a couple postings, but the recruiters, HR people,
> and job hunters pretty much seem to all know this is the place to be now.  I
> suspect that all we are doing with the links is providing an opportunity for
> job hunters to waste time poking around those sites for nothing.
> 
> Chris, next time you're in there, please just rip them all out.

You're talking about these links:

    * Careerbuilder.com
    * ComputerJobs.com
    * DICE
    * Indeed (Aggregator)
    * Juju.com (Aggregator)
    * Monster.com
    * SimplyHired (Aggregator)

... i.e. not the "Jobs" link itself, right ?

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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar 25 14:43:16 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:43:16 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <4D8C95B8.30902@egenix.com>
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>
	<F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>
	<4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk> <4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>
	<19852.36985.247848.775951@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<4D8C95B8.30902@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <19852.39924.782437.113538@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    MAL> You're talking about these links:

    MAL>     * Careerbuilder.com
    MAL>     * ComputerJobs.com
    MAL>     * DICE
    MAL>     * Indeed (Aggregator)
    MAL>     * Juju.com (Aggregator)
    MAL>     * Monster.com
    MAL>     * SimplyHired (Aggregator)

Correct.

Skip

From mal at egenix.com  Fri Mar 25 14:45:25 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:45:25 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <19852.39924.782437.113538@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>	<F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>	<4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk>
	<4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>	<19852.36985.247848.775951@montanaro.dyndns.org>	<4D8C95B8.30902@egenix.com>
	<19852.39924.782437.113538@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4D8C9C75.5060104@egenix.com>

skip at pobox.com wrote:
> 
>     MAL> You're talking about these links:
> 
>     MAL>     * Careerbuilder.com
>     MAL>     * ComputerJobs.com
>     MAL>     * DICE
>     MAL>     * Indeed (Aggregator)
>     MAL>     * Juju.com (Aggregator)
>     MAL>     * Monster.com
>     MAL>     * SimplyHired (Aggregator)
> 
> Correct.

Ok. +1.

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From patcam at python.org  Fri Mar 25 14:52:40 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:52:40 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
	=?windows-1252?q?PSF_Members=92_Meeting_Minutes_fo?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r_March_11=2C_2011-_Please_Post?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5MmQY=NCZ1xJr-ErXsQwVsRZ7wD5qGeJsaS1_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin5MmQY=NCZ1xJr-ErXsQwVsRZ7wD5qGeJsaS1_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=10tSrdm=h7AVXs_jRnsvG3PQGg2jYMsVK+cKF@mail.gmail.com>

Please see a 2nd revised version of the Members' Meeting in the attachment
and
disregard the 2 previous version sent. The *3rd version* should be posted.

Thanks,
Pat

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:

> Hi Pydotorg:
>
>  Could you please post ?The Python Software Foundation Minutes of the 2011
> Members? Meeting March 11, 2011?
>
> online at http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/ .
>
> The Members Meeting was held at PyCon US 2011 in Atlanta, Georgia.
>
> If you have any questions, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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| The Python Software Foundation
| Minutes of the 2010 Members' Meeting
|
| March 11, 2011

The Python Software Foundation (the "PSF") held an annual 
members' meeting on March 11, 2011 during lunch at the Hyatt
Regency Atlanta hotel in Atlanta, Georgia, USA (PyCon 2011 Atlanta).
Steve Holden presided over the meeting. Pat Campbell prepared these 
minutes.


.. sectnum::
.. contents::


Attendance
==========

47 nominated members were present at the meeting:

    * Jim Baker
    * Facundo Batista
    * Ian Bicking
    * C.Titus Brown
    * Jean-Paul Calderone
    * Brett Cannon
    * Wesley Chun
    * Nick Coghlan
    * Dr.Tim Couper
    * Laura Creighton
    * Stephan Deibel
    * Graham Dumpleton
    * Jeff Elkner
    * Michael Foord
    * Jim Fulton
    * Jacob Hall?n
    * Doug Hellmann
    * Raymond Hettinger
    * Steve Holden
    * Adrian Holovaty
    * Gloria W.Jacobs
    * Kurt Kaiser
    * Jacob Kaplan-Moss
    * Glyph Lefkowitz
    * Van Lindberg
    * Alex Martelli
    * Anna Martelli Ravenscroft
    * Harald Armin Massa
    * David Mertz
    * Mike M?ller
    * R.David Murray
    * Doug Napoleone
    * Jesse Noller
    * Terry Pepper
    * Allison Randal
    * Brandon Rhodes
    * Armin Rigo
    * Arc Riley
    * Jeff Rush
    * Eric V.Smith
    * James Tauber
    * Guido van Rossum
    * Martin von Loewis
    * Barry Warsaw
    * Frank Wierzbicki
    * Thomas Wouters
    * Moshe Zadka
    
5 representatives of sponsor members were present:

    * Canonical, represented by Barry Warsaw
    * CCP Games, represented by Kristj?n Valur J?nsson
    * Google, represented by Guido van Rossum for Dan Bentley
    * Merfin LLC, represented by Reggie Dugard
    * Strakt Holdings, represented by Laura Creighton
    
8 PSF nominated membership nominees for 2011 were present:

    * Ned Batchelder
    * Vern Ceder
    * Rick Copeland
    * Brian Curtin
    * Yannick Gingras
    * Jonathan LaCour
    * Ronald Oussoren
    * Greg P.Smith

    
Greetings & Announcements
=========================

On March 11, 2011 at the PyCon US Conference held at the Hyatt Regency
in Atlanta,Georgia, Steve Holden, PSF member and chairman of the board 
called the PSF Members' Meeting to order at 12:30 pm [EST] during a 
catered lunch for members and guests. 

PSF members (nominated and sponsor) and new PSF nominated membership
candidates were greeted and welcomed. 

During the PSF members' meeting and lunch S. Holden began announcements 
with: 

"There is no formal agenda since there is no formal business to
be conducted. Basically, we are just going to have a "welcome to
everyone." There is not going to be a roll call." 

Members and prospective members were asked to sign their names on the 
meeting attendance sign-in sheet that was being passed around the room.

Afterward, members were reminded of the upcoming members' meeting to 
be held at EuroPython 2011 in Florence, Italy, June 20-26.


Board Report
============

S. Holden presented a brief and informal board report to members 
which included mentioning that 2010 was a more successful year for the 
organization financially, especially, after having gone through some 
financial pitfalls in 2009.

"If you saw my ten minute talk this morning, that is basically the board
report. We have been trying to do good things. We have been trying to
recover from a bad financial situation. Thanks to Van [Lindberg's] and  
Jesse [Noller's] hard work over the past two years, PyCon is now on the road
again as a popular and revenue contributing activity. So thanks very much
to them. [the audience applauds] Things are getting a little better. We 
have spent as much money as we felt we safely could on supporting 
community-oriented activities of the kind that I described with other
conferences." 

Next, Guido van Rossum, PSF President, was acknowledged and then asked to 
say a few words on how he felt about the current state of affairs with the 
PSF;

"Basically, I would like to hear from the president who I know had certain
criticisms last year about the way the foundation was conducting itself -- 
that he does feel that we are successfully back on track now. [S. Holden
glances over at G.v Rossum during a brief pause] Good! Thank-you very much!
[the audience roars with laughter]. In that case, that is the end of the
board report."


Financial Report
================

The treasurer, Kurt Kaiser, presented everyone with a two-page hard copy of 
his report: a PSF Accrual Basis Balance Sheet for March 10, 2011, Revision 1
which included 2008 to the present figures and a PSF Accrual Basis PyCon 
2010 Income Statement for March 10, 2011 which included 2009 and 2010 
figures.

Then, he briefly reported on the financials for 2010 for the PSF and
PyCon US.

"Last year PyCon US did very well and turned in a $70,000 profit. Overall,
the PSF turned in a $50,000 profit."


Introduction of the 2011 Members' Election Candidates
=======================================================

During this portion of the members' meeting, all board candidates who
were present at the meeting and running for re-election stood up after
their names had been called by the chairman. The board of directors
currently consist of 13 members.

Next, the new nominated membership candidates were acknowledged. The 
prospective members who were present briefly introduced themselves to 
the current PSF membership after their name had been called.

Then, S. Holden reminded everyone of the upcoming 2011 members election 
and member nomination deadline.

"Since the ballot does not go out until next week, there is still time
to get further membership nominations on the ballot if you want to and
we are going to be doing the electronic ballot in the same way that we
did last year."

2010 & 2011 Active PSF Projects
===============================

During the final portion of the members' meeting, S. Holden  presented 
members with a list and brief summary of the 2010 & 2011 active and 
completed projects the PSF, board of directors, officers, and a host of
volunteers from the PSF community had either started or had been involved 
in since the last members' meeting held at PyCon US in February 2010. 
Project leaders were also introduced to members and recognized for their 
work.

The 2010 & 2011 active and completed PSF projects and leaders included:

PSF Infrastructure Committee (IC)			Sean Reifschneider

PSF Sprints Program					Jesse Noller

PSF Trademarks Committee (TMC)				David Mertz

PSF Communications Project				Doug Hellmann

PSF Honorary Associate Membership (HAM) Project		Pat Campbell & Kurt Kaiser

PSF Python Brochure Project				Marc-Andre Lemburg

PyPI Cloud Mirroring Project				Marc-Andre Lemburg

PyCon US Website Project				Doug Napoleone

Core Development Tasks Project				Brett Cannon

pyOpenSSL Project					Jean-Paul Calderone


Adjournment
===========

Steve Holden thanked everyone for attending and adjourned the informal members'
meeting at approximately 1:30pm (EST), local time.

















From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Fri Mar 25 20:30:02 2011
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:30:02 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Accepted: RE: Python Developers
In-Reply-To: <19852.36985.247848.775951@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <AANLkTimCtn4zD-mTCj=eFWkT5KPGw4DspXjLwdD51Taz@mail.gmail.com>
	<F26B4686-1E2E-4D83-8758-8F4E0865E68F@gmail.com>
	<4D8C7008.1000406@simplistix.co.uk> <4D8C705E.5030509@python.org>
	<19852.36985.247848.775951@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4D8CED3A.4040702@simplistix.co.uk>

On 25/03/2011 12:54, skip at pobox.com wrote:
> Chris, next time you're in there, please just rip them all out.

Done.

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From skip at pobox.com  Sat Mar 26 01:30:12 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:30:12 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Can we somehow safely delete bogus page revisions in
	the wiki?
Message-ID: <19853.13204.6008.611965@montanaro.dyndns.org>


If you take a look at the FrontPage info link:

    http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=info

note that some of the revisions (562, 560, 554, etc) have amazingly long
checkin comments.  That pushes the "View" link way off the right edge of the
page, at least in Chrome 4.

I know it's a small thing, but can we either:

    * delete those revisions altogether (they are, after all, still
      available to crawlers and thus give the spammers who created them some
      small increase in a reputation they don't deserve),

    * delete those comments,

    * or get the Comment column to wrap

?

Thx,

Skip

From techtonik at gmail.com  Sat Mar 26 01:38:51 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:38:51 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Can we somehow safely delete bogus page
 revisions in the wiki?
In-Reply-To: <19853.13204.6008.611965@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19853.13204.6008.611965@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfVjdD9mwU90ZD5xEECNgKezx3GWEfNAGNwb9S@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:30 AM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> If you take a look at the FrontPage info link:
>
> ? ?http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=info
>
> note that some of the revisions (562, 560, 554, etc) have amazingly long
> checkin comments. ?That pushes the "View" link way off the right edge of the
> page, at least in Chrome 4.
>
> I know it's a small thing, but can we either:
>
> ? ?* delete those revisions altogether (they are, after all, still
> ? ? ?available to crawlers and thus give the spammers who created them some
> ? ? ?small increase in a reputation they don't deserve),

Would be the best option - get all revisions with comment length >
200, filter them and remove.

> ? ?* delete those comments,

Or at least strip to some reasonable value.

> ? ?* or get the Comment column to wrap

This could happen automatically if the longest URL contained at least one space.

--
anatoly t.

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sat Mar 26 02:11:23 2011
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:11:23 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Can we somehow safely delete bogus page
	revisions in the wiki?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfVjdD9mwU90ZD5xEECNgKezx3GWEfNAGNwb9S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19853.13204.6008.611965@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<AANLkTikfVjdD9mwU90ZD5xEECNgKezx3GWEfNAGNwb9S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201103260211.23770.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Saturday 26 March 2011 01:38:51 anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:30 AM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
> > If you take a look at the FrontPage info link:
> >
> > ? ?http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=info
> >

[...]

> > ? ?* or get the Comment column to wrap
>
> This could happen automatically if the longest URL contained at least one
> space.

It can be awkward to wrap things that don't lend themselves to it, and so a 
CSS-only solution could be tricky. This is possibly something in Moin that 
could be improved, and I've been annoyed enough at Moin's sporadic word 
separation efforts in the RecentChanges output that I may take a look at both 
issues in the near future.

Paul

From martin at v.loewis.de  Sat Mar 26 09:53:00 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:53:00 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Can we somehow safely delete bogus page
 revisions in	the wiki?
In-Reply-To: <19853.13204.6008.611965@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19853.13204.6008.611965@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4D8DA96C.2090506@v.loewis.de>

Am 26.03.2011 01:30, schrieb skip at pobox.com:
> 
> If you take a look at the FrontPage info link:
> 
>     http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=info
> 
> note that some of the revisions (562, 560, 554, etc) have amazingly long
> checkin comments.  That pushes the "View" link way off the right edge of the
> page, at least in Chrome 4.
> 
> I know it's a small thing, but can we either:
> 
>     * delete those revisions altogether (they are, after all, still
>       available to crawlers and thus give the spammers who created them some
>       small increase in a reputation they don't deserve),
> 
>     * delete those comments,
> 
>     * or get the Comment column to wrap

Radomir?

Regards,
Martin

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Mar 26 17:01:47 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:01:47 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: EDU-SIG Page Typo
Message-ID: <20110326160147.GB29038@panix.com>

I forget who's maintaining the edu-sig page -- please update it

----- Forwarded message from Eric Lee <thenorthsecedes at gmail.com> -----

> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:58:09 -0500
> From: Eric Lee <thenorthsecedes at gmail.com>
> To: webmaster at python.org
> Subject: EDU-SIG Page Typo
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On this page:
> 
>   http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/
> 
> It links to:
> 
> 
> http://www.springer.com/mathematics/numerical+and+computational+mathematics/book/978-3-642-02474-0
> 
> Which 404's -- you may want to update or remove this link.
> 
> Also, on edu-sig, there is another resource worth mentioning: Zed Shaw's
> Learn Python The Hard Way:
> 
>   http://learnpythonthehardway.org/index
> 
> Which is published under a dual pay/free model.
> 
> cheers,
> Eric

----- End forwarded message -----

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From skip at pobox.com  Sat Mar 26 17:36:32 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:36:32 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: EDU-SIG Page Typo
In-Reply-To: <20110326160147.GB29038@panix.com>
References: <20110326160147.GB29038@panix.com>
Message-ID: <19854.5648.199716.26833@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    aahz> I forget who's maintaining the edu-sig page -- please update it

    >> On this page:
    >> 
    >> http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/
    >> 
    >> It links to:
    >> 
    >> 
    >> http://www.springer.com/mathematics/numerical+and+computational+mathematics/book/978-3-642-02474-0

I looked but don't see that Springer link:

    % egrep springer.com community/sigs/current/edu-sig/content.ht 
    * `Python Scripting for Computational Science <http://www.springer.com/math/cse/book/978-3-540-73915-9>`__ by Dr. Hans Petter Langtangen
    .. _`A Primer on Scientific Programming with Python`: http://www.springer.com/math/cse/book/978-3-642-02474-0

In fact, the link you gave *does* work for me.  Hopefully I have both of Dr
Langtangen's book links straightened out now.

    >> Also, on edu-sig, there is another resource worth mentioning: Zed
    >> Shaw's Learn Python The Hard Way:
    >> 
    >> http://learnpythonthehardway.org/index

I am less inclined to add this link.  In fact, I think it would be better if
most/all of the external links on the edu-sig page were moved to the Wiki,
probably somewhere under the Beginner's Guide:

    http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide

Eric, would you be interested in taking that on?  If so, let me know when
you have copied the content to the wiki and I'll clean up/decimate the
edu-sig links

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/

From nad at acm.org  Sat Mar 26 22:46:28 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:46:28 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Obsolete content in the /dev section
Message-ID: <nad-D25BCB.14462726032011@news.gmane.org>

This is an issue I originally brought up on the python-dev list here:

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel/122072

> With the transition to the new devguide, references to the main page of 
> the old dev section of the website, http://www.python.org/dev/, redirect 
> to http://docs.python.org/devguide/, the main page of the new guide.  
> However, many links to some obsoleted sections of the old dev section 
> are out in the wild (and showing up prominently in Google searches) and 
> the webserver still seems to be serving up those obsolete links even 
> though they appear to have been deleted from the www repo, for instance, 
> the old links previously under Core Development on the left margin bar:
> 
> http://www.python.org/dev/faq/
> http://www.python.org/dev/setup/
> http://www.python.org/dev/tools/
> etc
> 
> I was going to suggest that the webserver be changed to redirect all 
> /dev/* references to /devguide/ but then I noticed that's it not that 
> simple as there are other valid links still under /dev:
> 
> http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/
> http://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/
> http://www.python.org/dev/searchplugin/
> 
> So I think there are two issues here:
> 1. deleted webpages cached by the webserver
> 2. adding redirects from /dev/{faq|setup|tools| et al } to 
> docs.python.org/devguide

I subsequently mentioned this to Georg on IRC and he successfully made 
the deleted webpages turn into 404's, I assume by deleted the stale 
files somewhere on the webserver.  But then I noticed a day later or so 
that those deleted files had returned again.  So apparently there's a 
caching issue somewhere that doesn't handle files deleted from svn.

I also looked into the redirects and I see that Brett (who made the 
original changes to support the new devguide) had checked in a set of 
redirects to trunk/beta.python.org build/redirects.txt, the final 
version is at  svn up -r13620.  However, subsequently, 
build/redirects.txt has been deleted from svn (I'm guessing it wasn't 
really being used on the main server?) and it appears that the final 
state of those redirects are not currently in the production server 
config.  Can somebody please add them and make the deleted files go 
away?  Thanks.

Here are the /dev redirects from the -r13620 (I have not investigated 
the other redirects in it):

/dev/patches/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/patch.html
/dev/faq/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/faq.html
/dev/contributing/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/#contributing
/dev/setup/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/setup.html
/dev/intro/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/
/dev/workflow/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/triaging.html
/dev/doc/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/docquality.html

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From andre.roberge at gmail.com  Sat Mar 26 23:11:52 2011
From: andre.roberge at gmail.com (Andre Roberge)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:11:52 -0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: EDU-SIG Page Typo
In-Reply-To: <19854.5648.199716.26833@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20110326160147.GB29038@panix.com>
	<19854.5648.199716.26833@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinrJweKJk01UdTMbkRtwyi7i4z5R_3v7vYHCobW@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:36 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

>
>    aahz> I forget who's maintaining the edu-sig page -- please update it
>


If you look at the bottom of the page, the last line (excluding the common
footer) reads

Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list or to andre.roberge at
gmail.com.



>
>    >> On this page:
>    >>
>    >> http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/
>    >>
>    >> It links to:
>    >>
>    >>
>    >>
> http://www.springer.com/mathematics/numerical+and+computational+mathematics/book/978-3-642-02474-0
>
> I looked but don't see that Springer link:
>
>    % egrep springer.com community/sigs/current/edu-sig/content.ht
>    * `Python Scripting for Computational Science <
> http://www.springer.com/math/cse/book/978-3-540-73915-9>`__ by Dr. Hans
> Petter Langtangen
>    .. _`A Primer on Scientific Programming with Python`:
> http://www.springer.com/math/cse/book/978-3-642-02474-0
>
> In fact, the link you gave *does* work for me.  Hopefully I have both of Dr
> Langtangen's book links straightened out now.
>

I don't see a problem with the links listed on the page either.



>
>    >> Also, on edu-sig, there is another resource worth mentioning: Zed
>    >> Shaw's Learn Python The Hard Way:
>    >>
>    >> http://learnpythonthehardway.org/index
>
> I am less inclined to add this link.  In fact, I think it would be better
> if
> most/all of the external links on the edu-sig page were moved to the Wiki,
> probably somewhere under the Beginner's Guide:
>
>    http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
>
> Eric, would you be interested in taking that on?  If so, let me know when
> you have copied the content to the wiki and I'll clean up/decimate the
> edu-sig links
>

Personally, I don't think that Zed Shaw's link is of particular interest for
the edu-sig community.

And, if you want to "clean up/decimate the edu-sig links", please remove the
note to contact me with suggestions for changes.  And it probably would be a
good idea to also send an email to the edu-sig list explaining the reasoning
for the change.

Andr?



>
> --
> Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/
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From amk at amk.ca  Sat Mar 26 23:57:51 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:57:51 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Beginning Python site (was Re: EDU-SIG Page Typo)
In-Reply-To: <19854.5648.199716.26833@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:36:32AM -0500, skip at pobox.com wrote:
> I am less inclined to add this link.  In fact, I think it would be better if
> most/all of the external links on the edu-sig page were moved to the Wiki,
> probably somewhere under the Beginner's Guide:
> 
>     http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide

This reminds me... I began rewriting the Beginner's Guide content
into a Sphinx-based site:

https://bitbucket.org/akuchling/beginners-python

My intention was to finish it and then put it at some top-level URL
(beginner.python.org, beginningpython.com, whatever).  But I'm not
finding the time to do that last 10%.  Does anyone want to pursue this
and finish off the task?  If yes, please fork the repository, let
me know, and start making changes.

--amk

From thenorthsecedes at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 09:15:47 2011
From: thenorthsecedes at gmail.com (Eric Lee)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:15:47 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: EDU-SIG Page Typo
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikb00c7t7jeGbNUhWv9XoFDtQBGEanDdwCK1tvO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110326160147.GB29038@panix.com>
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Hey guys,

Strange. The springer link 404'd when I originally reported it. Perhaps it
was a temporary error of some sort.

I have no particular interest in handling edu-sig's moinmoin page, but
thanks for the offer of stewardship.

As for Zed Shaw's link, I feel it's an excellent resource to add to the list
-- to learn the rudiments of Python, at least. The voice and pace are ...
unique, to say the least. But its addition is obviously at your discretion.

Cheers,
Eric

On Mar 26, 2011 5:11 PM, "Andre Roberge" <andre.roberge at gmail.com> wrote:



On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 1:36 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote: > > >    aahz> I
forget who's maintaining t...
If you look at the bottom of the page, the last line (excluding the common
footer) reads

Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list or to andre.roberge at
gmail.com.

  > > >    >> On this page: >    >> >    >>
http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/ ...
I don't see a problem with the links listed on the page either.

  > > >    >> Also, on edu-sig, there is another resource worth mentioning:
Zed >    >> Shaw's Lea...
Personally, I don't think that Zed Shaw's link is of particular interest for
the edu-sig community.

And, if you want to "clean up/decimate the edu-sig links", please remove the
note to contact me with suggestions for changes.  And it probably would be a
good idea to also send an email to the edu-sig list explaining the reasoning
for the change.

Andr?



>
> --
>
> > Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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From skip at pobox.com  Sun Mar 27 15:06:07 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:06:07 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: EDU-SIG Page Typo
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    Eric> As for Zed Shaw's link, I feel it's an excellent resource to add
    Eric> to the list -- to learn the rudiments of Python, at least. The
    Eric> voice and pace are ...  unique, to say the least. But its addition
    Eric> is obviously at your discretion.

The difficulty in general is finding someone to manage a particular page or
group of pages on the website.  I'm guessing that by his request, Andre
either no longer has the time to manage that page or was just pissed off at
my suggestion that links migrate to the wiki.  In general, pages of links
get rapidly out-of-date, and the group of people who manage the website is
pretty small.  The sig pages, in particular, have traditionally gotten
outdated.  I do see that Andre made some edits about six weeks ago.

At this point, I'm not going to touch anything, and let Andre decide what to
do with Zed Shaw's link.

Skip

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 15:33:43 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:33:43 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
 =?windows-1252?q?PSF_Members=92_Meeting_Minutes_fo?=
 =?windows-1252?q?r_March_11=2C_2011-_Please_Post?=
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Message-ID: <401A3A63-78B2-496B-B18D-312B2F933AA1@gmail.com>

This is done.

Doug

On Mar 25, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Pat Campbell wrote:

> Please see a 2nd revised version of the Members' Meeting in the attachment and
> disregard the 2 previous version sent. The 3rd version should be posted.
>  
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> Hi Pydotorg:
>  
>  Could you please post ?The Python Software Foundation Minutes of the 2011 Members? Meeting March 11, 2011?
>  
> online at http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/ .
>  
> The Members Meeting was held at PyCon US 2011 in Atlanta, Georgia.
>  
> If you have any questions, please let me know.
>  
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
> -- 
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> <Members_MeetingMin-'11.txt>_______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
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From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 15:39:44 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:39:44 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
Message-ID: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>

I don't see any instructions in build/README about how to do a build on the real site after committing a change. I assume that is automated with an svn commit hook. Is that right? How often does that run?

I made a couple of changes to new-build/pydotorg.tmpl today. Does that require any special effort, or does the process for updating the live site detect that dependency change (my local build didn't seem to notice until I ran "make clean").

Doug


From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 15:57:27 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:57:27 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>


On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:

> I don't see any instructions in build/README about how to do a build on the real site after committing a change. I assume that is automated with an svn commit hook. Is that right? How often does that run?
> 
> I made a couple of changes to new-build/pydotorg.tmpl today. Does that require any special effort, or does the process for updating the live site detect that dependency change (my local build didn't seem to notice until I ran "make clean").

OK, apparently it does require some extra step be taken because the non-template changes I made are already visible.

So, what do I need to do to get the apply the template changes to the site?

Thanks,
Doug


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Mar 27 16:56:18 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:56:18 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110327145617.GA15696@panix.com>

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>
>> I don't see any instructions in build/README about how to do a
>> build on the real site after committing a change. I assume that is
>> automated with an svn commit hook. Is that right? How often does that
>> run?
>>
>> I made a couple of changes to new-build/pydotorg.tmpl today. Does
>> that require any special effort, or does the process for updating the
>> live site detect that dependency change (my local build didn't seem
>> to notice until I ran "make clean").
>
> OK, apparently it does require some extra step be taken because the
> non-template changes I made are already visible.
>
> So, what do I need to do to get the apply the template changes to the
> site?

IIRC it requires someone with ssh access to do a make clean on the box.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Beware of companies that claim to be like a family.  They might not be
lying."  --Jill Lundquist

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 17:53:25 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:53:25 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <20110327145617.GA15696@panix.com>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>
	<20110327145617.GA15696@panix.com>
Message-ID: <3B44A208-E8BE-4ED0-A981-1276E00319A1@gmail.com>


On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Aahz wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't see any instructions in build/README about how to do a
>>> build on the real site after committing a change. I assume that is
>>> automated with an svn commit hook. Is that right? How often does that
>>> run?
>>> 
>>> I made a couple of changes to new-build/pydotorg.tmpl today. Does
>>> that require any special effort, or does the process for updating the
>>> live site detect that dependency change (my local build didn't seem
>>> to notice until I ran "make clean").
>> 
>> OK, apparently it does require some extra step be taken because the
>> non-template changes I made are already visible.
>> 
>> So, what do I need to do to get the apply the template changes to the
>> site?
> 
> IIRC it requires someone with ssh access to do a make clean on the box.

That seems extreme.

Would anyone object to me trying to add the template to the dependencies tracked by the build script?

Doug


From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 18:13:58 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:13:58 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <3B44A208-E8BE-4ED0-A981-1276E00319A1@gmail.com>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>
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On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:

> 
> On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Aahz wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don't see any instructions in build/README about how to do a
>>>> build on the real site after committing a change. I assume that is
>>>> automated with an svn commit hook. Is that right? How often does that
>>>> run?
>>>> 
>>>> I made a couple of changes to new-build/pydotorg.tmpl today. Does
>>>> that require any special effort, or does the process for updating the
>>>> live site detect that dependency change (my local build didn't seem
>>>> to notice until I ran "make clean").
>>> 
>>> OK, apparently it does require some extra step be taken because the
>>> non-template changes I made are already visible.
>>> 
>>> So, what do I need to do to get the apply the template changes to the
>>> site?
>> 
>> IIRC it requires someone with ssh access to do a make clean on the box.
> 
> That seems extreme.
> 
> Would anyone object to me trying to add the template to the dependencies tracked by the build script?

Well, nevermind, I see that the template is already in the dependency list. There must be another reason a clean build is required.

Doug


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Mar 27 18:17:34 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:17:34 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <3B44A208-E8BE-4ED0-A981-1276E00319A1@gmail.com>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>
	<20110327145617.GA15696@panix.com>
	<3B44A208-E8BE-4ED0-A981-1276E00319A1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110327161734.GA25305@panix.com>

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Aahz wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>> On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don't see any instructions in build/README about how to do a
>>>> build on the real site after committing a change. I assume that is
>>>> automated with an svn commit hook. Is that right? How often does that
>>>> run?
>>>> 
>>>> I made a couple of changes to new-build/pydotorg.tmpl today. Does
>>>> that require any special effort, or does the process for updating the
>>>> live site detect that dependency change (my local build didn't seem
>>>> to notice until I ran "make clean").
>>> 
>>> OK, apparently it does require some extra step be taken because the
>>> non-template changes I made are already visible.
>>> 
>>> So, what do I need to do to get the apply the template changes to the
>>> site?
>> 
>> IIRC it requires someone with ssh access to do a make clean on the box.
> 
> Would anyone object to me trying to add the template to the
> dependencies tracked by the build script?

IIRC it's a safety measure to prevent breaking the site.  (I'm not
sufficiently involved in the build process to have an opinion about your
suggestion.)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Beware of companies that claim to be like a family.  They might not be
lying."  --Jill Lundquist

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 18:29:23 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:29:23 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <20110327161734.GA25305@panix.com>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>
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On Mar 27, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Aahz wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> 
>> Would anyone object to me trying to add the template to the
>> dependencies tracked by the build script?
> 
> IIRC it's a safety measure to prevent breaking the site.  (I'm not
> sufficiently involved in the build process to have an opinion about your
> suggestion.)

OK. I guess I'll leave well-enough alone, then. 

I take it most of the people working on the site now are pretty busy. I can help out with maintenance beyond the basics of adding news and other content, if that would be of any use.

In the mean time, can someone with the right access do the clean build? The links I added were to the new Python Insider blog (in the sidebar, below the link to the wiki) and its RSS feed (in the header with the other RSS links). I also corrected the link to the RSS feed for the PSF blog.

Thanks,
Doug


From patcam at python.org  Sun Mar 27 18:47:37 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:47:37 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
	=?windows-1252?q?PSF_Members=92_Meeting_Minutes_fo?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r_March_11=2C_2011-_Please_Post?=
In-Reply-To: <401A3A63-78B2-496B-B18D-312B2F933AA1@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin5MmQY=NCZ1xJr-ErXsQwVsRZ7wD5qGeJsaS1_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=10tSrdm=h7AVXs_jRnsvG3PQGg2jYMsVK+cKF@mail.gmail.com>
	<401A3A63-78B2-496B-B18D-312B2F933AA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinggddy1ThyJ9WqDaaYX2VqAh6CyXudfRMuEwEP@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a whole bunch Doug.

When you get a moment, could you please include an extra column
with the project leaders names in section #6. A hyphen or a comma between
the
project name and the leader's name would also suffice.

Thanks,
Pat



On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is done.
>
> Doug
>
>   On Mar 25, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Pat Campbell wrote:
>
>   Please see a 2nd revised version of the Members' Meeting in the
> attachment and
> disregard the 2 previous version sent. The *3rd version* should be posted.
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pydotorg:
>>
>>  Could you please post ?The Python Software Foundation Minutes of the 2011
>> Members? Meeting March 11, 2011?
>>
>> online at http://www.python.org/psf/records/members/ .
>>
>> The Members Meeting was held at PyCon US 2011 in Atlanta, Georgia.
>>
>> If you have any questions, please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pat
>>
>> --
>> Pat Campbell
>> PSF Administrator/Secretary
>> patcam at python.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
> <Members_MeetingMin-'11.txt>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
>


-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
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From amk at amk.ca  Sun Mar 27 20:02:51 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:02:51 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Obsolete content in the /dev section
In-Reply-To: <nad-D25BCB.14462726032011@news.gmane.org>
References: <nad-D25BCB.14462726032011@news.gmane.org>
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On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 02:46:28PM -0700, Ned Deily wrote:
> files somewhere on the webserver.  But then I noticed a day later or so 
> that those deleted files had returned again.  So apparently there's a 
> caching issue somewhere that doesn't handle files deleted from svn.

The build process puts files into /data/website-build/build/out and
then rsyncs them into the web document root, so the old files were
still in that intermediate directory.  I've deleted them now.

--amk

From martin at v.loewis.de  Sun Mar 27 21:19:38 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:19:38 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
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> I take it most of the people working on the site now are pretty busy.
> I can help out with maintenance beyond the basics of adding news and
> other content, if that would be of any use.
> 
> In the mean time, can someone with the right access do the clean
> build?

It seems amk has already done that. The issue isn't really that much
"clean build", but that the new-build directory is excluded from the
automatic update, out of security concerns where somebody could check
in stuff that then runs fairly unrestricted on www.python.org.

If you want root access to www.python.org (which is required if you
want to update the new-build directory), please let me know in private
(giving your preferred unix account name).

Regards,
Martin

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Sun Mar 27 21:25:07 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:25:07 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Can we somehow safely delete bogus page
 revisions in the wiki?
In-Reply-To: <4D8DA96C.2090506@v.loewis.de>
References: <19853.13204.6008.611965@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<4D8DA96C.2090506@v.loewis.de>
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On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:53 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> Am 26.03.2011 01:30, schrieb skip at pobox.com:
>>
>> If you take a look at the FrontPage info link:
>>
>> ? ? http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=info
>>
>> note that some of the revisions (562, 560, 554, etc) have amazingly long
>> checkin comments. ?That pushes the "View" link way off the right edge of the
>> page, at least in Chrome 4.
>>
>> I know it's a small thing, but can we either:
>>
>> ? ? * delete those revisions altogether (they are, after all, still
>> ? ? ? available to crawlers and thus give the spammers who created them some
>> ? ? ? small increase in a reputation they don't deserve),
>>
>> ? ? * delete those comments,
>>
>> ? ? * or get the Comment column to wrap
>
> Radomir?

I will look at it in the coming week. It's probably also a good idea
to trim the edit logs, if that wasn't done recently (and to do it
automatically once in a while).


-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Sun Mar 27 21:31:23 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:31:23 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Tighten up Jython wiki settings a bit?
In-Reply-To: <4D8BBB3A.8050701@v.loewis.de>
References: <19851.21267.405735.152548@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<4D8BBB3A.8050701@v.loewis.de>
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On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:44 PM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> Am 24.03.2011 15:20, schrieb skip at pobox.com:
>>
>> The Jython wiki seems to get spammed at a low, but fairly constant rate:
>>
>> ? ? http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges?max_days=14
>>
>> Andrew obligingly deletes the offending pages. ?They seem to all be created
>> by logged in users whose names match the pages they create, so I'm confident
>> we are dealing with a bot. ?Can we enable the TextCha capability for that
>> wiki?
>
> Radomir?

I enabled textcha in the jython wiki, copying the questions from the
main python wiki.
The change is http://hg.python.org/python-wiki/rev/93a66725c2e6

-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 21:40:48 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:40:48 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <4D8F8DCA.5030203@v.loewis.de>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>	<20110327145617.GA15696@panix.com>	<3B44A208-E8BE-4ED0-A981-1276E00319A1@gmail.com>	<20110327161734.GA25305@panix.com>
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On Mar 27, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:

>> I take it most of the people working on the site now are pretty busy.
>> I can help out with maintenance beyond the basics of adding news and
>> other content, if that would be of any use.
>> 
>> In the mean time, can someone with the right access do the clean
>> build?
> 
> It seems amk has already done that.

The link I added does not appear on http://www.python.org/ (even after clearing the browser cache and trying a different browser).

> The issue isn't really that much
> "clean build", but that the new-build directory is excluded from the
> automatic update, out of security concerns where somebody could check
> in stuff that then runs fairly unrestricted on www.python.org.

OK.

I hope you will forgive a naive question, but would it make sense to move the template(s) to another directory that is safe to sync?

> 
> If you want root access to www.python.org (which is required if you
> want to update the new-build directory), please let me know in private
> (giving your preferred unix account name).
> 
> Regards,
> Martin


From martin at v.loewis.de  Sun Mar 27 22:45:59 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:45:59 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <8ACB7BCE-0066-43AD-9641-3F0D0AFB6DCD@gmail.com>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>	<20110327145617.GA15696@panix.com>	<3B44A208-E8BE-4ED0-A981-1276E00319A1@gmail.com>	<20110327161734.GA25305@panix.com>
	<062613FF-8F6F-494C-92F0-2DE755FEBADE@gmail.com>
	<4D8F8DCA.5030203@v.loewis.de>
	<8ACB7BCE-0066-43AD-9641-3F0D0AFB6DCD@gmail.com>
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>> It seems amk has already done that.
> 
> The link I added does not appear on http://www.python.org/ (even
> after clearing the browser cache and trying a different browser).

It seems that you *also* have to do a "clean build"; after I removed
pydotorg.cache, rebuilding was picking up the template change correctly.

> I hope you will forgive a naive question, but would it make sense to
> move the template(s) to another directory that is safe to sync?

I don't see a problem with that.

Regards,
Martin

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 23:32:10 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:32:10 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <4D8FA207.9080800@v.loewis.de>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>	<20110327145617.GA15696@panix.com>	<3B44A208-E8BE-4ED0-A981-1276E00319A1@gmail.com>	<20110327161734.GA25305@panix.com>
	<062613FF-8F6F-494C-92F0-2DE755FEBADE@gmail.com>
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	<4D8FA207.9080800@v.loewis.de>
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On Mar 27, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:

>>> It seems amk has already done that.
>> 
>> The link I added does not appear on http://www.python.org/ (even
>> after clearing the browser cache and trying a different browser).
> 
> It seems that you *also* have to do a "clean build"; after I removed
> pydotorg.cache, rebuilding was picking up the template change correctly.
> 
>> I hope you will forgive a naive question, but would it make sense to
>> move the template(s) to another directory that is safe to sync?
> 
> I don't see a problem with that.

OK, after I make sure I understand the current build process, I will work on that.

Doug


From amk at amk.ca  Sun Mar 27 23:42:56 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:42:56 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <20110327161734.GA25305@panix.com>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>
	<20110327145617.GA15696@panix.com>
	<3B44A208-E8BE-4ED0-A981-1276E00319A1@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:17:34AM -0700, Aahz wrote:
> IIRC it's a safety measure to prevent breaking the site.  (I'm not
> sufficiently involved in the build process to have an opinion about your
> suggestion.)

It's actually more of a security measure: the code for the build
script, which includes the templates, needs to be updated manually to
prevent someone from introducing code that would then be automatically
executed on live.

--amk

From doug.hellmann at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 00:00:02 2011
From: doug.hellmann at gmail.com (Doug Hellmann)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:00:02 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] build question
In-Reply-To: <20110327214256.GB7558@new-host.home>
References: <5D25E5EE-C493-4DE0-A75E-6A18CBFAE9DB@gmail.com>
	<DC191F2E-B1A8-42F6-AE19-584C9D97ECA2@gmail.com>
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On Mar 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:17:34AM -0700, Aahz wrote:
>> IIRC it's a safety measure to prevent breaking the site.  (I'm not
>> sufficiently involved in the build process to have an opinion about your
>> suggestion.)
> 
> It's actually more of a security measure: the code for the build
> script, which includes the templates, needs to be updated manually to
> prevent someone from introducing code that would then be automatically
> executed on live.

Another approach I have seen (and used) is to check the *built* site into the source repository. That way the tools to construct it don't need to be run on the server at all. That approach works better with a DAG-based version control system than with svn, though, because you have to be more careful about handling merges correctly.

I will look over the instructions Martin sent, and understand how to make the current system work before I make any sorts of suggestions for changes, though. :-)

Doug


From merwok at netwok.org  Mon Mar 28 00:45:21 2011
From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:45:21 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Beginning Python site (was Re: EDU-SIG Page Typo)
In-Reply-To: <20110326225751.GA7076@new-host.home>
References: <20110326160147.GB29038@panix.com>	<19854.5648.199716.26833@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20110326225751.GA7076@new-host.home>
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> This reminds me... I began rewriting the Beginner's Guide content
> into a Sphinx-based site:
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/akuchling/beginners-python
> 
> My intention was to finish it and then put it at some top-level URL
> (beginner.python.org, beginningpython.com, whatever).  But I'm not
> finding the time to do that last 10%.  Does anyone want to pursue this
> and finish off the task?  If yes, please fork the repository, let
> me know, and start making changes.

There have been requests for an even easier tutorial on the docs at python
ML.  Your beginner docs could be a useful addition to the official doc.
 I think you should propose it on docs at .

Regards

From nad at acm.org  Mon Mar 28 18:31:31 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:31:31 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Obsolete content in the /dev section
References: <nad-D25BCB.14462726032011@news.gmane.org>
	<20110327180251.GA7558@new-host.home>
Message-ID: <nad-9A841B.09313128032011@news.gmane.org>

In article <20110327180251.GA7558 at new-host.home>,
 "A.M. Kuchling" <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 02:46:28PM -0700, Ned Deily wrote:
> > files somewhere on the webserver.  But then I noticed a day later or so 
> > that those deleted files had returned again.  So apparently there's a 
> > caching issue somewhere that doesn't handle files deleted from svn.
> 
> The build process puts files into /data/website-build/build/out and
> then rsyncs them into the web document root, so the old files were
> still in that intermediate directory.  I've deleted them now.

Thanks!  They are now producing 404's.  Can someone add the redirects to 
finish this?

> /dev/patches/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/patch.html
> /dev/faq/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/faq.html
> /dev/contributing/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/#contributing
> /dev/setup/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/setup.html
> /dev/intro/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/
> /dev/workflow/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/triaging.html
> /dev/doc/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/docquality.html

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From fdrake at acm.org  Wed Mar 30 19:36:15 2011
From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:36:15 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mailman image URLs from alternate domain names
Message-ID: <AANLkTino5f44cDGeynW3880bSmTrR0ShJX6hao9L-Jno@mail.gmail.com>

We support a lists on our mailman installation that aren't on the
mail.python.org
domain.  The Expat lists are among these:

    http://mail.libexpat.org/mailman/listinfo

The images at the bottom of the mailman pages don't render, probably because
/icons/ isn't supported for the alternate names for that server.

Can we please add support for that to the Apache config?  I don't think I have
access to that (if I'm wrong, please tell me where to find it, and I'll be glad
to make the changes myself).

Thanks!


  -Fred

-- 
Fred L. Drake, Jr.? ? <fdrake at acm.org>
"Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities."
?? --Frank Lloyd Wright

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Mar 30 21:46:50 2011
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:46:50 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mailman image URLs from alternate domain names
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTino5f44cDGeynW3880bSmTrR0ShJX6hao9L-Jno@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTino5f44cDGeynW3880bSmTrR0ShJX6hao9L-Jno@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110330194650.GD23158@charite.de>

* Fred Drake <fdrake at acm.org>:
> We support a lists on our mailman installation that aren't on the
> mail.python.org
> domain.  The Expat lists are among these:
> 
>     http://mail.libexpat.org/mailman/listinfo
> 
> The images at the bottom of the mailman pages don't render, probably because
> /icons/ isn't supported for the alternate names for that server.
> 
> Can we please add support for that to the Apache config?  I don't think I have
> access to that (if I'm wrong, please tell me where to find it, and I'll be glad
> to make the changes myself).

Fixed.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From fdrake at acm.org  Wed Mar 30 22:23:34 2011
From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:23:34 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mailman image URLs from alternate domain names
In-Reply-To: <20110330194650.GD23158@charite.de>
References: <AANLkTino5f44cDGeynW3880bSmTrR0ShJX6hao9L-Jno@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110330194650.GD23158@charite.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinwp8YDi-9BjbK9BNeQzAEqyYsj2qgPSMGaDH3e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt
<Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de> wrote:
> Fixed.

Thanks, Ralf!


  -Fred

-- 
Fred L. Drake, Jr.? ? <fdrake at acm.org>
"Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities."
?? --Frank Lloyd Wright

From mfoord at python.org  Thu Mar 31 15:26:14 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:26:14 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Broken links at http://svn.python.org
Message-ID: <4D9480F6.5030409@python.org>

Were these supposed to be redirects by now?

Michael

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Broken links at http://svn.python.org
Date: 	Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:09:58 +0400
From: 	Alexey Ivanov <savetherbtz at gmail.com>
To: 	webmaster at python.org



Links http://www.python.org/dev/faq#subversion-svn and 
http://www.python.org/dev/faq/ are broken

-- 
Sincerely y0uRz,
Alexey Ivanov

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From nad at acm.org  Thu Mar 31 20:35:29 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:35:29 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Broken links at http://svn.python.org
References: <4D9480F6.5030409@python.org>
Message-ID: <nad-CF3799.11352831032011@dough.gmane.org>

In article <4D9480F6.5030409 at python.org>,
 Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:

> Were these supposed to be redirects by now?
> 
> Michael
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Broken links at http://svn.python.org
> Date: 	Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:09:58 +0400
> From: 	Alexey Ivanov <savetherbtz at gmail.com>
> To: 	webmaster at python.org
> 
> 
> 
> Links http://www.python.org/dev/faq#subversion-svn and 
> http://www.python.org/dev/faq/ are broken

Yes.  I posted about this several days ago.  Can someone who has access 
to the server config take care of this please?  I would but I don't.

> From: Ned Deily <nad at acm.org>
> Subject: Re: Obsolete content in the /dev section
> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:31:31 -0700
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.python.pydotorg-www
> Message-ID: <nad-9A841B.09313128032011 at news.gmane.org>
> 
> In article <20110327180251.GA7558 at new-host.home>,
>  "A.M. Kuchling" <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 02:46:28PM -0700, Ned Deily wrote:
> > > files somewhere on the webserver.  But then I noticed a day later or so 
> > > that those deleted files had returned again.  So apparently there's a 
> > > caching issue somewhere that doesn't handle files deleted from svn.
> > 
> > The build process puts files into /data/website-build/build/out and
> > then rsyncs them into the web document root, so the old files were
> > still in that intermediate directory.  I've deleted them now.
> 
> Thanks!  They are now producing 404's.  Can someone add the redirects to 
> finish this?
> 
> > /dev/patches/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/patch.html
> > /dev/faq/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/faq.html
> > /dev/contributing/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/#contributing
> > /dev/setup/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/setup.html
> > /dev/intro/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/
> > /dev/workflow/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/triaging.html
> > /dev/doc/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/docquality.html

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From techtonik at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 21:28:20 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:28:20 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Broken links at http://svn.python.org
In-Reply-To: <nad-CF3799.11352831032011@dough.gmane.org>
References: <4D9480F6.5030409@python.org>
	<nad-CF3799.11352831032011@dough.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_Fwsdf4jTBzPDHnnGibnULgiGn4p2frv7j6pk@mail.gmail.com>

I hope SVN archive wasn't assassinated completely, because some
history is faster to dig in SVN than in Mercurial (like directory
changelog).
--
anatoly t.



On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Ned Deily <nad at acm.org> wrote:
> In article <4D9480F6.5030409 at python.org>,
> ?Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:
>
>> Were these supposed to be redirects by now?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: ? ? ?Broken links at http://svn.python.org
>> Date: ? ? ? ? Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:09:58 +0400
>> From: ? ? ? ? Alexey Ivanov <savetherbtz at gmail.com>
>> To: ? webmaster at python.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Links http://www.python.org/dev/faq#subversion-svn and
>> http://www.python.org/dev/faq/ are broken
>
> Yes. ?I posted about this several days ago. ?Can someone who has access
> to the server config take care of this please? ?I would but I don't.
>
>> From: Ned Deily <nad at acm.org>
>> Subject: Re: Obsolete content in the /dev section
>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:31:31 -0700
>> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.python.pydotorg-www
>> Message-ID: <nad-9A841B.09313128032011 at news.gmane.org>
>>
>> In article <20110327180251.GA7558 at new-host.home>,
>> ?"A.M. Kuchling" <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 02:46:28PM -0700, Ned Deily wrote:
>> > > files somewhere on the webserver. ?But then I noticed a day later or so
>> > > that those deleted files had returned again. ?So apparently there's a
>> > > caching issue somewhere that doesn't handle files deleted from svn.
>> >
>> > The build process puts files into /data/website-build/build/out and
>> > then rsyncs them into the web document root, so the old files were
>> > still in that intermediate directory. ?I've deleted them now.
>>
>> Thanks! ?They are now producing 404's. ?Can someone add the redirects to
>> finish this?
>>
>> > /dev/patches/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/patch.html
>> > /dev/faq/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/faq.html
>> > /dev/contributing/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/#contributing
>> > /dev/setup/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/setup.html
>> > /dev/intro/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/
>> > /dev/workflow/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/triaging.html
>> > /dev/doc/ http://docs.python.org/devguide/docquality.html
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