From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Oct  1 22:03:24 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:03:24 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: adding a link on the Python download page
Message-ID: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com>

What do people think?  I'm -0 because I've never heard of this before
(they haven't been posting to c.l.py.announce) and because they're using
2.7.1 more than three months after 2.7.2 was released.

----- Forwarded message from Erik Janssens <Erik.Janssens at conceptive.be> -----

> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:59:15 +0200
> From: Erik Janssens <Erik.Janssens at conceptive.be>
> To: webmaster at python.org
> Subject: adding a link on the Python download page
> Reply-To: erik.janssens at conceptive.be
> 
> Dear,
> 
> The download page on the Python website :
> 
> http://www.python.org/download/
> 
> Contains links to a number of re-packaged
> python distributions.
> 
> Would it be possible to include a link
> to our distribution as well, the
> 
> 'Conceptive Python SDK'  which targets
> business, desktop and database applications.
> 
> it includes recent builds of Qt, PyQt,
> matplotlib, database drivers, etc.
> 
> today, only the windows build is availabe,
> but this will change.
> 
> The link is :
> 
> http://www.conceptive.be/python-sdk.html
> 
> Thank you very much and best regards,
> 
> Erik

----- End forwarded message -----

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 11:04:29 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 12:04:29 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Secure wiki login
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+TrC1t0uQS1uRnrvLZy+wiYG5gXH_Pj4kKhCerkq8yuw@mail.gmail.com>

Can we protect login to wiki with HTTPS?
--
anatoly t.

From techtonik at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 11:09:36 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 12:09:36 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Can't rename Wiki page
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xK32sHFHo0tTAefjdAnEK=eVPvgiBKacknXBsd9n2hmog@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to rename AptLogging to Logging, but wiki says the page
already exists even if there is no such page.
--
anatoly t.

From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Sun Oct  2 11:14:43 2011
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 11:14:43 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Can't rename Wiki page
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xK32sHFHo0tTAefjdAnEK=eVPvgiBKacknXBsd9n2hmog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xK32sHFHo0tTAefjdAnEK=eVPvgiBKacknXBsd9n2hmog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2VPS3uQu0uSTM0pk7RD8QPvwR_wNbmoo3AZt=dxrYEwi-5bg@mail.gmail.com>

This is a known bug in moin and it can't be easily fixed until moin 2. The
workaround is to re-create that deleted page, rename it, then proceed with
renaming your original page.
On Oct 2, 2011 11:10 AM, "anatoly techtonik" <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to rename AptLogging to Logging, but wiki says the page
> already exists even if there is no such page.
> --
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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Sun Oct  2 21:19:22 2011
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:19:22 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: adding a link on the Python download page
In-Reply-To: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com>
References: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4E88B93A.2040803@simplistix.co.uk>

-1 from me, I'd like to see "non standard python distributions" dissuaded...

(if companies have a real product (eg: EPD) they don't need python.org's 
help to promote...

Chris

On 01/10/2011 21:03, Aahz wrote:
> What do people think?  I'm -0 because I've never heard of this before
> (they haven't been posting to c.l.py.announce) and because they're using
> 2.7.1 more than three months after 2.7.2 was released.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Erik Janssens<Erik.Janssens at conceptive.be>  -----
>
>> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:59:15 +0200
>> From: Erik Janssens<Erik.Janssens at conceptive.be>
>> To: webmaster at python.org
>> Subject: adding a link on the Python download page
>> Reply-To: erik.janssens at conceptive.be
>>
>> Dear,
>>
>> The download page on the Python website :
>>
>> http://www.python.org/download/
>>
>> Contains links to a number of re-packaged
>> python distributions.
>>
>> Would it be possible to include a link
>> to our distribution as well, the
>>
>> 'Conceptive Python SDK'  which targets
>> business, desktop and database applications.
>>
>> it includes recent builds of Qt, PyQt,
>> matplotlib, database drivers, etc.
>>
>> today, only the windows build is availabe,
>> but this will change.
>>
>> The link is :
>>
>> http://www.conceptive.be/python-sdk.html
>>
>> Thank you very much and best regards,
>>
>> Erik
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>

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            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From mal at egenix.com  Sun Oct  2 22:58:41 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:58:41 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: adding a link on the Python download page
In-Reply-To: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com>
References: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4E88D081.1050804@egenix.com>

Aahz wrote:
> What do people think?  I'm -0 because I've never heard of this before
> (they haven't been posting to c.l.py.announce) and because they're using
> 2.7.1 more than three months after 2.7.2 was released.

I'm +1 on this. The more options available for the user, the
better.

BTW: You could ping them about the issues you've mentioned. I'm
sure they'd listen.

> ----- Forwarded message from Erik Janssens <Erik.Janssens at conceptive.be> -----
> 
>> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:59:15 +0200
>> From: Erik Janssens <Erik.Janssens at conceptive.be>
>> To: webmaster at python.org
>> Subject: adding a link on the Python download page
>> Reply-To: erik.janssens at conceptive.be
>>
>> Dear,
>>
>> The download page on the Python website :
>>
>> http://www.python.org/download/
>>
>> Contains links to a number of re-packaged
>> python distributions.
>>
>> Would it be possible to include a link
>> to our distribution as well, the
>>
>> 'Conceptive Python SDK'  which targets
>> business, desktop and database applications.
>>
>> it includes recent builds of Qt, PyQt,
>> matplotlib, database drivers, etc.
>>
>> today, only the windows build is availabe,
>> but this will change.
>>
>> The link is :
>>
>> http://www.conceptive.be/python-sdk.html
>>
>> Thank you very much and best regards,
>>
>> Erik
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 

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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Mon Oct  3 09:02:28 2011
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 08:02:28 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: adding a link on the Python download page
In-Reply-To: <4E88D081.1050804@egenix.com>
References: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com> <4E88D081.1050804@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <4E895E04.4060802@simplistix.co.uk>

On 02/10/2011 21:58, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Aahz wrote:
>> What do people think?  I'm -0 because I've never heard of this before
>> (they haven't been posting to c.l.py.announce) and because they're using
>> 2.7.1 more than three months after 2.7.2 was released.
>
> I'm +1 on this. The more options available for the user, the
> better.

That doesn't follow for me.
Why are more options better?

"There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it."

Having a bucketload of linked distros is just going to be confusing for 
new users...

Chris

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             - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From mal at egenix.com  Mon Oct  3 11:18:50 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:18:50 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: adding a link on the Python download page
In-Reply-To: <4E895E04.4060802@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com> <4E88D081.1050804@egenix.com>
	<4E895E04.4060802@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4E897DFA.8080300@egenix.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> On 02/10/2011 21:58, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> Aahz wrote:
>>> What do people think?  I'm -0 because I've never heard of this before
>>> (they haven't been posting to c.l.py.announce) and because they're using
>>> 2.7.1 more than three months after 2.7.2 was released.
>>
>> I'm +1 on this. The more options available for the user, the
>> better.
> 
> That doesn't follow for me.
> Why are more options better?
> 
> "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it."
> 
> Having a bucketload of linked distros is just going to be confusing for
> new users...

All those distributions target special user groups and they
usually come with different options for support and maintenance,
which the standard distribution does not provide.

BTW: The above Zen quote is often misunderstood. It says that there
should be one *obvious* way to do things. That doesn't exclude having
other options available as well and the obvious choice for one person
may very well not be the obvious one for another person.
Having choices available is a good thing.

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From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Oct  3 13:47:52 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:47:52 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: adding a link on the Python download page
In-Reply-To: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com>
References: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4E89A0E8.50607@v.loewis.de>

Am 01.10.2011 22:03, schrieb Aahz:
> What do people think?  I'm -0 because I've never heard of this before
> (they haven't been posting to c.l.py.announce) and because they're using
> 2.7.1 more than three months after 2.7.2 was released.

I'm +1. That they care about getting the link posted is enough reason
for me to add it. If the site would only contain stuff I've hear of,
it would be pretty small :-)

Regards,
Martin

From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Oct  3 13:51:00 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:51:00 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: adding a link on the Python download page
In-Reply-To: <4E895E04.4060802@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <20111001200324.GA10861@panix.com> <4E88D081.1050804@egenix.com>
	<4E895E04.4060802@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4E89A1A4.1090309@v.loewis.de>

Am 03.10.2011 09:02, schrieb Chris Withers:
> On 02/10/2011 21:58, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> Aahz wrote:
>>> What do people think?  I'm -0 because I've never heard of this before
>>> (they haven't been posting to c.l.py.announce) and because they're using
>>> 2.7.1 more than three months after 2.7.2 was released.
>>
>> I'm +1 on this. The more options available for the user, the
>> better.
> 
> That doesn't follow for me.
> Why are more options better?
> 
> "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it."
> 
> Having a bucketload of linked distros is just going to be confusing for
> new users...

If that was a policy, we shouldn't point to any distribution other than
the one from python.org at all. However, people (rightfully) insist that
python.org is not just about CPython. So we should allow alternative
distributions to be mentioned (if not hosted), and then we should apply
"fair" criteria as to what to include. "If it's a Python distribution,
and if they ask to be included" sounds fair enough to me.

Regards,
Martin

From mfoord at python.org  Mon Oct  3 18:08:34 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:08:34 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <CAJe7BQPk-D5Zv7nK8B6x-GTtxzjuVSsxfMZ7MX_sh+oGyR7fJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJe7BQPk-D5Zv7nK8B6x-GTtxzjuVSsxfMZ7MX_sh+oGyR7fJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E89DE02.10107@python.org>

On 27/09/2011 04:04, Steve Richards wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm an intermediately skilled python programmer and would like to help 
> in maintaining the python.org <http://python.org> site, I'm also a 
> maintainer of gnu.org <http://gnu.org> and have experience with git, 
> svn, cvs, and bzr revision control systems.
> Best Regards,
>

Hello Steve,

Helping with website maintenance would be great as we're a small team. 
The way to start is to be subscribed to this email list and to get 
familiar with our somewhat custom toolchain:

     http://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/website/

For commit access you'll need to request access, and send your ssh keys, 
on the pydotorg mailing list (you don't need to join the list).

All the best,

Michael Foord

> -- 
> Steve Richards
> Open Source Developer/Programmer
> Github: Captainkrtek <https://github.com/Captainkrtek>
> GPG: A634DA1D 
> <http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x676545EDEF9842B51E95ECAD5437CD45A634DA1D&op=index>, 
> E0EB9B2E 
> <http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x970C6E607B117177DC31469143DF6FE7E0EB9B2E&op=index>, 
> 34A627C8 
> <http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD33ADBB798D9353E1D7F615D9924760934A627C8&op=index>
> Email: sbrichards@{mit.edu <http://mit.edu/>, ieee.org 
> <http://ieee.org/>, gnu.org <http://gnu.org/>, linux.com 
> <http://linux.com/>}
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


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From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Oct  3 18:54:38 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:54:38 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <CAJe7BQPk-D5Zv7nK8B6x-GTtxzjuVSsxfMZ7MX_sh+oGyR7fJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJe7BQPk-D5Zv7nK8B6x-GTtxzjuVSsxfMZ7MX_sh+oGyR7fJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E89E8CE.3050207@v.loewis.de>

> I'm an intermediately skilled python programmer and would like to help
> in maintaining the python.org <http://python.org> site, I'm also a
> maintainer of gnu.org <http://gnu.org> and have experience with git,
> svn, cvs, and bzr revision control systems. 

There are several systems here that need help. For www.python.org,
the most common complaint is that the content is "bad" in various
ways (ugly layout, outdated content, missing content). If you like
to act as a content editor, this would be the right place. More
quickly responding to user requests for change would already be
a starting point.

Two other ares that need help are the bug tracker and the
package index (which I both maintain); helping there would require
writing new Python code in most cases.

Regards,
Martin

From patcam at python.org  Mon Oct  3 20:20:58 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:20:58 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update April 18,
	2011 Board Meeting Minutes - Section 10
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dJ2+RdCW6bG2oLNdZqAwK7=Cq4RH=xmkiopcn-sZNWHAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg Team:



Could you please update the April 18, 2011 board meeting minutes?



http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2011-04-18/



*Section 10 2011-Q2 Community Service Award Nominations*



Please update the above section of the minutes to read:

Two Nominees for the 2011 - 2nd Quarter PSF Community Service Award were
selected.

***RESOLVED**, that the 2011 ? 2Q recipients of the Community Service Award
are Tarek *Ziad? and Laura Creighton.

Approved, 10-0-1.

Thanks,

Pat


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From sbrichards at mit.edu  Tue Oct  4 06:48:51 2011
From: sbrichards at mit.edu (Steve Richards)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:48:51 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Requesting Commit Permissions
Message-ID: <CAJe7BQMOqMHF57Fn152W_K3U6=0+_2d8xcP325uO3GPfJbu0aA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I contacted the mailing list earlier about becoming a maintainer of the
python.org site as well as helping where help is needed.
My ssh pub key is attached as a .txt file. As mentioned in the other email
list, I'm also a maintainer of gnu.org and work on multiple open source
projects as well as documentation.
I look forward to working with all of you.
Best Regards,

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Github: Captainkrtek <https://github.com/Captainkrtek>
GPG: A634DA1D<http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x676545EDEF9842B51E95ECAD5437CD45A634DA1D&op=index>
, E0EB9B2E<http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x970C6E607B117177DC31469143DF6FE7E0EB9B2E&op=index>
, 34A627C8<http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD33ADBB798D9353E1D7F615D9924760934A627C8&op=index>
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From noah at coderanger.net  Tue Oct  4 08:08:45 2011
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:08:45 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] www2.jython alias
Message-ID: <33CBFDB8-A6BA-4663-9040-9A235B7C9840@coderanger.net>

As part of my ongoing service inventory of the PSF systems I found there is a ServerAlias for the Jython website under the name www2.jython.org. This name doesn't appear in any DNS record I can find. Do you know if this is a legacy artifact or if it has some other purpose?

--Noah

PS: If anyone knows Josh Juneau's email address, could you please pass this along to him?
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From mfoord at python.org  Tue Oct  4 13:26:25 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 12:26:25 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] release page
In-Reply-To: <CAGSi+Q7ekGkPq0N_x+36Y-A1JhSVe9C-rrwzZece6Uh1EZenAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGSi+Q7ekGkPq0N_x+36Y-A1JhSVe9C-rrwzZece6Uh1EZenAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E8AED61.30409@python.org>

On 29/09/2011 08:55, Tarek Ziad? wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> on this page: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6/
>
> it says 2.6.6 is the latest which is not true.

It's the latest *binary release*, 2.6.7 was a source only release. But 
still, you're correct.

The download pages are primarily looked after by the release managers 
and not the "web team" (if the rag-tag bunch of volunteers can even be 
called a team...).
>
> Furthermore, it was suggested by a friend to have a
> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6.x/  or
> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6/latest  maybe, to point to
> the latest always

That would be great. It would need to be co-ordinated with the release 
managers, so that they can update the aliases when they do releases. If 
we had a dynamic site we could make it automatic of course.

All the best,

Michael Foord

>
>
> Cheers
> Tarek
>


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May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue Oct  4 19:51:14 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 19:51:14 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] www2.jython alias
In-Reply-To: <33CBFDB8-A6BA-4663-9040-9A235B7C9840@coderanger.net>
References: <33CBFDB8-A6BA-4663-9040-9A235B7C9840@coderanger.net>
Message-ID: <4E8B4792.1050800@v.loewis.de>

Am 04.10.11 08:08, schrieb Noah Kantrowitz:
> As part of my ongoing service inventory of the PSF systems I found
> there is a ServerAlias for the Jython website under the name
> www2.jython.org. This name doesn't appear in any DNS record I can
> find. Do you know if this is a legacy artifact or if it has some
> other purpose?

IIRC, it's a legacy artifact, from the migration of jython.org.
It used to be the beta installation until just before the migration.

Regards,
Martin

From barry at python.org  Wed Oct  5 02:00:17 2011
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:00:17 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] release page
In-Reply-To: <4E8AED61.30409@python.org>
References: <CAGSi+Q7ekGkPq0N_x+36Y-A1JhSVe9C-rrwzZece6Uh1EZenAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E8AED61.30409@python.org>
Message-ID: <20111004200017.3673f749@limelight.wooz.org>

On Oct 04, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Michael Foord wrote:

>On 29/09/2011 08:55, Tarek Ziad? wrote:
>> Hey there,
>>
>> on this page: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6/
>>
>> it says 2.6.6 is the latest which is not true.
>
>It's the latest *binary release*, 2.6.7 was a source only release. But still,
>you're correct.
>
>The download pages are primarily looked after by the release managers and not
>the "web team" (if the rag-tag bunch of volunteers can even be called a
>team...).

I guess I missed this one when I release 2.6.7.  I agree that this page should
point to 2.6.7 even though it's a source-only release.

I'll update the site asap.

>> Furthermore, it was suggested by a friend to have a
>> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6.x/  or
>> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6/latest  maybe, to point to
>> the latest always
>
>That would be great. It would need to be co-ordinated with the release
>managers, so that they can update the aliases when they do releases. If we
>had a dynamic site we could make it automatic of course.

Yeah, I've thought about that before too, but never really got around to
adding it (or updating PEP 101, etc).  I'm not sure I have much motivation to
do this for 2.6 though. ;)

-Barry

From amk at amk.ca  Wed Oct  5 03:15:33 2011
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 21:15:33 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] release page
In-Reply-To: <20111004200017.3673f749@limelight.wooz.org>
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	<4E8AED61.30409@python.org>
	<20111004200017.3673f749@limelight.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20111005011533.GA31907@datl9makuchling.home>

On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 08:00:17PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> >That would be great. It would need to be co-ordinated with the release
> >managers, so that they can update the aliases when they do releases. If we
> >had a dynamic site we could make it automatic of course.

What if we rewrote the /download/ tree to be a standalone site using
blogofile (http://www.blogofile.com/) and then set up rewrite rules,
or moved everything to download.python.org?  That way release managers
wouldn't need the entire python.org tree, and they might find
blogofile easier to deal with than our custom script.

--amk

From noah at coderanger.net  Wed Oct  5 04:06:44 2011
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:06:44 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
Message-ID: <D3A87EC5-E3A4-410B-A174-1D0ABB3CC061@coderanger.net>

Continuing my nightly "whats the deal with ?" spam, does anyone know what the story with pythonlabs.com is? "pythonlabs.com" is NXDOMAIN, and www.pythonlabs.com is pointed to GAE, but is serving the same content as python.org/pythonlabs.  Additionally there is still a vhost for pythonlabs.com and www.pythonlabs.com on dins dale. Does anyone know who controls the domain or should I just not worry about this?

--Noah
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From noah at coderanger.net  Wed Oct  5 04:28:11 2011
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:28:11 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Translations
Message-ID: <0C240851-4408-4200-A261-981B34FA0838@coderanger.net>

Is pootle.python.org something I should consider an active service? It seems to have minimal traffic and I wasn't aware of its existence.

--Noah
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From nad at acm.org  Wed Oct  5 06:49:57 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:49:57 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] release page
References: <CAGSi+Q7ekGkPq0N_x+36Y-A1JhSVe9C-rrwzZece6Uh1EZenAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E8AED61.30409@python.org>
	<20111004200017.3673f749@limelight.wooz.org>
	<20111005011533.GA31907@datl9makuchling.home>
Message-ID: <nad-F735F2.21495704102011@news.gmane.org>

In article <20111005011533.GA31907 at datl9makuchling.home>,
 "A.M. Kuchling" <amk at amk.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 08:00:17PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> > >That would be great. It would need to be co-ordinated with the release
> > >managers, so that they can update the aliases when they do releases. If we
> > >had a dynamic site we could make it automatic of course.
> What if we rewrote the /download/ tree to be a standalone site using
> blogofile (http://www.blogofile.com/) and then set up rewrite rules,
> or moved everything to download.python.org?  That way release managers
> wouldn't need the entire python.org tree, and they might find
> blogofile easier to deal with than our custom script.

In my experience in updating the release pages, the format and the 
process seems pretty simple and straight-forward so I don't think moving 
just the /download tree is worth the effort.

The only non-transparent thing I've run into so far is when the need 
arose to add rewrite rules or aliases at the web server level.  I 
couldn't find a way to do that via the svn repo (not unreasonable) but 
requests on the list to get someone to help went unanswered and it still 
is not clear who to turn to for such matters.

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Oct  5 07:48:48 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:48:48 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
In-Reply-To: <D3A87EC5-E3A4-410B-A174-1D0ABB3CC061@coderanger.net>
References: <D3A87EC5-E3A4-410B-A174-1D0ABB3CC061@coderanger.net>
Message-ID: <4E8BEFC0.8000208@v.loewis.de>

Am 05.10.11 04:06, schrieb Noah Kantrowitz:
> Continuing my nightly "whats the deal with ?" spam, does anyone know
> what the story with pythonlabs.com is? "pythonlabs.com" is NXDOMAIN,
> and www.pythonlabs.com is pointed to GAE, but is serving the same
> content as python.org/pythonlabs.  Additionally there is still a
> vhost for pythonlabs.com and www.pythonlabs.com on dins dale. Does
> anyone know who controls the domain or should I just not worry about
> this?

I think it would be best to ask Guido about our support of 
pythonlabs.com. Alternatively, Tim Peters may also know.
Most likely, it can be deleted.

Regards,
Martin

From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Oct  5 07:50:02 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:50:02 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Python Translations
In-Reply-To: <0C240851-4408-4200-A261-981B34FA0838@coderanger.net>
References: <0C240851-4408-4200-A261-981B34FA0838@coderanger.net>
Message-ID: <4E8BF00A.6030001@v.loewis.de>

Am 05.10.11 04:28, schrieb Noah Kantrowitz:
> Is pootle.python.org something I should consider an active service?
> It seems to have minimal traffic and I wasn't aware of its
> existence.

Yes, please. It was a GSoC project, and is still (somewhat) operational.
I hope the community will pick it up at some point, especially when
it starts producing results.

Regards,
Martin

From noah at coderanger.net  Wed Oct  5 07:52:28 2011
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:52:28 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Python Translations
In-Reply-To: <4E8BF00A.6030001@v.loewis.de>
References: <0C240851-4408-4200-A261-981B34FA0838@coderanger.net>
	<4E8BF00A.6030001@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <6577A21B-A47D-4FB0-8858-1F1F4C6BEDDF@coderanger.net>

On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:

> Am 05.10.11 04:28, schrieb Noah Kantrowitz:
>> Is pootle.python.org something I should consider an active service?
>> It seems to have minimal traffic and I wasn't aware of its
>> existence.
> 
> Yes, please. It was a GSoC project, and is still (somewhat) operational.
> I hope the community will pick it up at some point, especially when
> it starts producing results.

Do you know who I should mark as the owner/stakeholders? I'm guessing Robert Lehmann is involved somewhere since it is running a private fork of poodle from his GH account.

--Noah
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From georg at python.org  Wed Oct  5 08:01:08 2011
From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:01:08 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Python Translations
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On 10/05/11 07:52, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:
> 
>> Am 05.10.11 04:28, schrieb Noah Kantrowitz:
>>> Is pootle.python.org something I should consider an active service? It 
>>> seems to have minimal traffic and I wasn't aware of its existence.
>> 
>> Yes, please. It was a GSoC project, and is still (somewhat) operational.
>> I hope the community will pick it up at some point, especially when it
>> starts producing results.

We'll start making this public when Sphinx 1.1 is released -- hopefully very
soon.

> Do you know who I should mark as the owner/stakeholders? I'm guessing
> Robert Lehmann is involved somewhere since it is running a private fork of
> poodle from his GH account.

That's right, and please also add myself as owner.

Georg
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From noah at coderanger.net  Wed Oct  5 08:01:51 2011
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:01:51 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Python Translations
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References: <0C240851-4408-4200-A261-981B34FA0838@coderanger.net>
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On Oct 4, 2011, at 11:01 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:

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> On 10/05/11 07:52, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 05.10.11 04:28, schrieb Noah Kantrowitz:
>>>> Is pootle.python.org something I should consider an active service? It 
>>>> seems to have minimal traffic and I wasn't aware of its existence.
>>> 
>>> Yes, please. It was a GSoC project, and is still (somewhat) operational.
>>> I hope the community will pick it up at some point, especially when it
>>> starts producing results.
> 
> We'll start making this public when Sphinx 1.1 is released -- hopefully very
> soon.
> 
>> Do you know who I should mark as the owner/stakeholders? I'm guessing
>> Robert Lehmann is involved somewhere since it is running a private fork of
>> poodle from his GH account.
> 
> That's right, and please also add myself as owner.

Got it, thanks!

--Noah

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From sandro.tosi at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 08:07:13 2011
From: sandro.tosi at gmail.com (Sandro Tosi)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:07:13 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Python Translations
In-Reply-To: <4E8BF00A.6030001@v.loewis.de>
References: <0C240851-4408-4200-A261-981B34FA0838@coderanger.net>
	<4E8BF00A.6030001@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <CAPdtAj3XWMkmeuo0YVNCJT3fZ7Yvza0X08rUUgX1hmZ-UjhkAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 07:50, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> Am 05.10.11 04:28, schrieb Noah Kantrowitz:
>>
>> Is pootle.python.org something I should consider an active service?
>> It seems to have minimal traffic and I wasn't aware of its
>> existence.
>
> Yes, please. It was a GSoC project, and is still (somewhat) operational.

Well, actually - no, please don't use it yet :)

> I hope the community will pick it up at some point, especially when
> it starts producing results.

I had quick chat with Robert (the GSOC student that brough that
online) in order to revamp it, but the we didn't advance it further
(hi Robert! anytime, mail me and we'll sync). Given we're not sure
we'll be able to preserve the translation done so far (but we'll try
hard to) I won't encourage to devote much time on translation.

Of course, I'm happy there's interest around it, so I'll try to push
it a bit in the coming weeks.

Cheers,
-- 
Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu)
My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 09:27:56 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:27:56 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
In-Reply-To: <4E8BEFC0.8000208@v.loewis.de>
References: <D3A87EC5-E3A4-410B-A174-1D0ABB3CC061@coderanger.net>
	<4E8BEFC0.8000208@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xJuBwkLnS1WF+=5Z8CCkFp6dvfaqF=5=QWNy0cei9c5NQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:48 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> Am 05.10.11 04:06, schrieb Noah Kantrowitz:
>>
>> Continuing my nightly "whats the deal with ?" spam, does anyone know
>> what the story with pythonlabs.com is? "pythonlabs.com" is NXDOMAIN,
>> and www.pythonlabs.com is pointed to GAE, but is serving the same
>> content as python.org/pythonlabs. ?Additionally there is still a
>> vhost for pythonlabs.com and www.pythonlabs.com on dins dale. Does
>> anyone know who controls the domain or should I just not worry about
>> this?
>
> I think it would be best to ask Guido about our support of pythonlabs.com.
> Alternatively, Tim Peters may also know.
> Most likely, it can be deleted.

The dark age of Python Labs had started.
--
anatoly t.

From barry at python.org  Wed Oct  5 13:14:10 2011
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:14:10 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
In-Reply-To: <D3A87EC5-E3A4-410B-A174-1D0ABB3CC061@coderanger.net>
References: <D3A87EC5-E3A4-410B-A174-1D0ABB3CC061@coderanger.net>
Message-ID: <20111005071410.5dc71e34@resist.wooz.org>

On Oct 04, 2011, at 07:06 PM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:

>Continuing my nightly "whats the deal with ?" spam, does anyone know what the
>story with pythonlabs.com is? "pythonlabs.com" is NXDOMAIN, and
>www.pythonlabs.com is pointed to GAE, but is serving the same content as
>python.org/pythonlabs.  Additionally there is still a vhost for
>pythonlabs.com and www.pythonlabs.com on dins dale. Does anyone know who
>controls the domain or should I just not worry about this?

Guido will answer definitively (it's his domain), but please do keep this.
It's a cute place to forward folks to when they ask about it.

As far as where the domain should point (i.e. the content being the same),
again, that should be Guido's decision, but I don't see any reason to keep the
GAE up just for that.  The content could be served from dinsdale just fine.

-Barry
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From barry at python.org  Wed Oct  5 13:15:43 2011
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:15:43 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
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On Oct 05, 2011, at 10:27 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

>The dark age of Python Labs had started.

Go read the page.  It will banish all the darkness. :)

-Barry

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 14:51:09 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:51:09 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
In-Reply-To: <20111005071543.3ad30a5f@resist.wooz.org>
References: <D3A87EC5-E3A4-410B-A174-1D0ABB3CC061@coderanger.net>
	<4E8BEFC0.8000208@v.loewis.de>
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On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
> On Oct 05, 2011, at 10:27 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>
>>The dark age of Python Labs had started.
>
> Go read the page. ?It will banish all the darkness. :)

http://pythonlabs.com/ is hidden in the shadow of www. =)
--
anatoly t.

From patcam at python.org  Wed Oct  5 19:17:40 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:17:40 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] 2011 PSF Community Service Award webpage - Please
	Update
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dJ6d8ENiJHBG8_bYp=ge2LR448jSMWvXtf_M+D9NYdWjw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:

Could you please update the ?Python Software Foundation Community Awards? at
http://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/ with the following
information? *September 2011*

The following awards were announced on October 4, 2011 in a *PSF blog
article*:

?         *Arc Riley **was awarded in recognition of his dedicated long-term
support of the PSF?s Summer of Code activities and domain management. *

*?         **Nick Coghlan **was awarded in recognition of his outstanding
core development *work and technical leadership, particularly with reference
to the core-mentorship list.**

The Python Software Foundation is pleased to recognize Arc and Nick?s
contributions to the community.**
*April 2011*

The following awards were announced on October 3, 2011 in a *PSF blog
article*:

?         *Laura Creighton* *was awarded in recognition of her continuous
efforts in making community events happen and especially for her work with
the PyPy team.*

*?         **Tarek Ziade' **was awarded in recognition of his hard work on
getting Python packaging back on track, maintaining distutils, forking
setuptools into distribute, and working on a new package manager called pip.
*

The Python Software Foundation is pleased to recognize Laura and Tarek?s
contributions to the community.
*January 2011*

The following awards were announced on September 29, 2011 in a *PSF blog
article*:

?         *Van Lindberg **was awarded in recognition of his *leadership work
on PyCon for the past two years as well as the pro bono work done for the
PSF over the years.

*?         **Benjamin Peterson **was awarded in recognition of his *work as
release manager and the numerous contributions to the Python Core.**

The Python Software Foundation is pleased to recognize Van and Benjamin?s
contributions to the community.**

Thanks a whole lot,
Pat

-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From guido at python.org  Wed Oct  5 19:42:41 2011
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:42:41 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
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On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
> On Oct 04, 2011, at 07:06 PM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
>
>>Continuing my nightly "whats the deal with ?" spam, does anyone know what the
>>story with pythonlabs.com is? "pythonlabs.com" is NXDOMAIN, and
>>www.pythonlabs.com is pointed to GAE, but is serving the same content as
>>python.org/pythonlabs. ?Additionally there is still a vhost for
>>pythonlabs.com and www.pythonlabs.com on dins dale. Does anyone know who
>>controls the domain or should I just not worry about this?
>
> Guido will answer definitively (it's his domain), but please do keep this.

Yeah, it's mine. I don't have plans to do anything with it except as a
test site for Google App Engine (mostly to test dealings with custom
domains). I do plan to keep the "Yes Barry there is a Pythonlabs"
content up at the main page.

> It's a cute place to forward folks to when they ask about it.

Agreed. :-)

> As far as where the domain should point (i.e. the content being the same),
> again, that should be Guido's decision, but I don't see any reason to keep the
> GAE up just for that. ?The content could be served from dinsdale just fine.

I don't plan to point the domain back to anywhere on python.org. You
might still want to keep python.org/pythonlabs around (and a link to
it from elsewhere on the site, e.g. in a wiki, so search engines can
find it) but I don't expect you'll ever need the vhost.

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)

From michael at python.org  Thu Oct  6 01:55:10 2011
From: michael at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:55:10 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] do you still accept success stories?
In-Reply-To: <CAOdTSDLVLEUHSZ4DTOcDQi-NQtpbFnm-WjfwN4NzPtD=kYPOdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOdTSDLVLEUHSZ4DTOcDQi-NQtpbFnm-WjfwN4NzPtD=kYPOdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <178BB0F3-E824-448C-8997-93BA57FBF11B@python.org>

Hello,

Pythonology administers the "Python Success Stories" section of the Python.org website, so we aren't currently accepting new success stories.

All the best,

Michael Foord

On 5 Oct 2011, at 23:46, How Wong wrote:
> Pythonology no longer accepts stories. Does Python.org still accept stories?
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Art reaches its greatest peak when devoid of self-consciousness"




--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From sdeibel at wingware.com  Thu Oct  6 03:41:47 2011
From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:41:47 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] do you still accept success stories?
In-Reply-To: <178BB0F3-E824-448C-8997-93BA57FBF11B@python.org>
References: <CAOdTSDLVLEUHSZ4DTOcDQi-NQtpbFnm-WjfwN4NzPtD=kYPOdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<178BB0F3-E824-448C-8997-93BA57FBF11B@python.org>
Message-ID: <4E8D075B.5010906@wingware.com>

On 10/5/11 7:55 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
> Pythonology administers the "Python Success Stories" section of the Python.org website, so we aren't currently accepting new success stories.

Actually, just so everyone cc-ed here knows:  I no longer administer the 
pages on python.org (or any Python Success Stories pages).  I just don't 
have the time to do this anymore.  If someone wants to revive that and 
start accepting new stories again, I can provide the records I kept for 
the existing stories.

Thanks,

- Stephan


From noah at coderanger.net  Thu Oct  6 04:26:40 2011
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:26:40 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
In-Reply-To: <CAP7+vJL3yXWSO1hJ863hbuqG9sh-idYtRE3Sae9tFe0rhTE-7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D3A87EC5-E3A4-410B-A174-1D0ABB3CC061@coderanger.net>
	<20111005071410.5dc71e34@resist.wooz.org>
	<CAP7+vJL3yXWSO1hJ863hbuqG9sh-idYtRE3Sae9tFe0rhTE-7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <051879EC-43FA-461D-8EB2-569C92B94F18@coderanger.net>

On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
>> On Oct 04, 2011, at 07:06 PM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
>> 
>>> Continuing my nightly "whats the deal with ?" spam, does anyone know what the
>>> story with pythonlabs.com is? "pythonlabs.com" is NXDOMAIN, and
>>> www.pythonlabs.com is pointed to GAE, but is serving the same content as
>>> python.org/pythonlabs.  Additionally there is still a vhost for
>>> pythonlabs.com and www.pythonlabs.com on dins dale. Does anyone know who
>>> controls the domain or should I just not worry about this?
>> 
>> Guido will answer definitively (it's his domain), but please do keep this.
> 
> Yeah, it's mine. I don't have plans to do anything with it except as a
> test site for Google App Engine (mostly to test dealings with custom
> domains). I do plan to keep the "Yes Barry there is a Pythonlabs"
> content up at the main page.
> 
>> It's a cute place to forward folks to when they ask about it.
> 
> Agreed. :-)
> 
>> As far as where the domain should point (i.e. the content being the same),
>> again, that should be Guido's decision, but I don't see any reason to keep the
>> GAE up just for that.  The content could be served from dinsdale just fine.
> 
> I don't plan to point the domain back to anywhere on python.org. You
> might still want to keep python.org/pythonlabs around (and a link to
> it from elsewhere on the site, e.g. in a wiki, so search engines can
> find it) but I don't expect you'll ever need the ghost.

Would you prefer if I made python.org/pythonlabs into a redirect just to avoid having duplicate or out-of-sync content?

--Noah
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From guido at python.org  Thu Oct  6 04:32:22 2011
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:32:22 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PythonLabs website
In-Reply-To: <051879EC-43FA-461D-8EB2-569C92B94F18@coderanger.net>
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Actually I think it's fine to keep it as a backup of the original content.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Noah Kantrowitz <noah at coderanger.net> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
>>> On Oct 04, 2011, at 07:06 PM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Continuing my nightly "whats the deal with ?" spam, does anyone know what the
>>>> story with pythonlabs.com is? "pythonlabs.com" is NXDOMAIN, and
>>>> www.pythonlabs.com is pointed to GAE, but is serving the same content as
>>>> python.org/pythonlabs. ?Additionally there is still a vhost for
>>>> pythonlabs.com and www.pythonlabs.com on dins dale. Does anyone know who
>>>> controls the domain or should I just not worry about this?
>>>
>>> Guido will answer definitively (it's his domain), but please do keep this.
>>
>> Yeah, it's mine. I don't have plans to do anything with it except as a
>> test site for Google App Engine (mostly to test dealings with custom
>> domains). I do plan to keep the "Yes Barry there is a Pythonlabs"
>> content up at the main page.
>>
>>> It's a cute place to forward folks to when they ask about it.
>>
>> Agreed. :-)
>>
>>> As far as where the domain should point (i.e. the content being the same),
>>> again, that should be Guido's decision, but I don't see any reason to keep the
>>> GAE up just for that. ?The content could be served from dinsdale just fine.
>>
>> I don't plan to point the domain back to anywhere on python.org. You
>> might still want to keep python.org/pythonlabs around (and a link to
>> it from elsewhere on the site, e.g. in a wiki, so search engines can
>> find it) but I don't expect you'll ever need the ghost.
>
> Would you prefer if I made python.org/pythonlabs into a redirect just to avoid having duplicate or out-of-sync content?
>
> --Noah
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--Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)

From martin at v.loewis.de  Fri Oct  7 15:11:14 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:11:14 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Requesting Commit Permissions
In-Reply-To: <CAJe7BQMOqMHF57Fn152W_K3U6=0+_2d8xcP325uO3GPfJbu0aA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJe7BQMOqMHF57Fn152W_K3U6=0+_2d8xcP325uO3GPfJbu0aA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E8EFA72.5070204@v.loewis.de>

> I contacted the mailing list earlier about becoming a maintainer of the
> python.org <http://python.org> site as well as helping where help is needed.
> My ssh pub key is attached as a .txt file. As mentioned in the other
> email list, I'm also a maintainer of gnu.org <http://gnu.org> and work
> on multiple open source projects as well as documentation.
> I look forward to working with all of you.

Hi Steve,

I have now installed your key; try checking out/svn-switch-relocating
svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org.

Sorry it took so long, I'm travelling right now.

Regards,
Martin

From merwok at netwok.org  Fri Oct  7 18:10:42 2011
From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:10:42 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] 2011 PSF Community Service Award webpage -
 Please Update
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dJ6d8ENiJHBG8_bYp=ge2LR448jSMWvXtf_M+D9NYdWjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4dJ6d8ENiJHBG8_bYp=ge2LR448jSMWvXtf_M+D9NYdWjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E8F2482.4090006@netwok.org>

Hi,

> *?         **Tarek Ziade' **was awarded in recognition of his hard work on
> getting Python packaging back on track, maintaining distutils, forking
> setuptools into distribute, and working on a new package manager called pip.
> *

The last item is not true: Tarek is not the author (that?s Ian Bicking)
nor one of the current maintainers.  The item should however mention
that Tarek forked distutils as distutils2 and started a new package
manager inside distutils2: pysetup.  This will be the first package
manager to ship with standard Python (in 3.3).

Cheers

From patcam at python.org  Fri Oct  7 21:58:35 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:58:35 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] 2011 PSF Community Service Award webpage -
	Please Update
In-Reply-To: <4E8F2482.4090006@netwok.org>
References: <CAFy_4dJ6d8ENiJHBG8_bYp=ge2LR448jSMWvXtf_M+D9NYdWjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E8F2482.4090006@netwok.org>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dK+0yxFx_MZxaHPbk60VxVFEOg4v8WYHH_mJbF6PRM0cA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eric:

Does the last item refer to Tarek as the author or that he is a current
maintainer?

Thanks,
Pat

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:10 PM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > *?         **Tarek Ziade' **was awarded in recognition of his hard work
> on
> > getting Python packaging back on track, maintaining distutils, forking
> > setuptools into distribute, and working on a new package manager called
> pip.
> > *
>
> The last item is not true: Tarek is not the author (that?s Ian Bicking)
> nor one of the current maintainers.  The item should however mention
> that Tarek forked distutils as distutils2 and started a new package
> manager inside distutils2: pysetup.  This will be the first package
> manager to ship with standard Python (in 3.3).
>
> Cheers
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From sbrichards at mit.edu  Sat Oct  8 00:06:38 2011
From: sbrichards at mit.edu (Steve Richards)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:06:38 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Requesting Commit Permissions
In-Reply-To: <4E8EFA72.5070204@v.loewis.de>
References: <CAJe7BQMOqMHF57Fn152W_K3U6=0+_2d8xcP325uO3GPfJbu0aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E8EFA72.5070204@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <CAJe7BQOAMmR-V=ZwCurL=A+ZuLJuJMu_A+L1E+82itMiiTmaCg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Martin, it now works.
Best Regards,

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:11 AM, "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de>wrote:

> I contacted the mailing list earlier about becoming a maintainer of the
>> python.org <http://python.org> site as well as helping where help is
>> needed.
>>
>> My ssh pub key is attached as a .txt file. As mentioned in the other
>> email list, I'm also a maintainer of gnu.org <http://gnu.org> and work
>>
>> on multiple open source projects as well as documentation.
>> I look forward to working with all of you.
>>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I have now installed your key; try checking out/svn-switch-relocating
> svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.**org/trunk/beta.python.org<http://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org>
> .
>
> Sorry it took so long, I'm travelling right now.
>
> Regards,
> Martin
>



-- 
Steve Richards
Open Source Developer/Programmer
Github: Captainkrtek <https://github.com/Captainkrtek>
GPG: A634DA1D<http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x676545EDEF9842B51E95ECAD5437CD45A634DA1D&op=index>
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From mal at egenix.com  Sat Oct  8 13:16:03 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:16:03 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] do you still accept success stories?
In-Reply-To: <4E8D075B.5010906@wingware.com>
References: <CAOdTSDLVLEUHSZ4DTOcDQi-NQtpbFnm-WjfwN4NzPtD=kYPOdQ@mail.gmail.com>	<178BB0F3-E824-448C-8997-93BA57FBF11B@python.org>
	<4E8D075B.5010906@wingware.com>
Message-ID: <4E9030F3.10103@egenix.com>

Stephan Deibel wrote:
> On 10/5/11 7:55 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
>> Pythonology administers the "Python Success Stories" section of the
>> Python.org website, so we aren't currently accepting new success stories.
> 
> Actually, just so everyone cc-ed here knows:  I no longer administer the
> pages on python.org (or any Python Success Stories pages).  I just don't
> have the time to do this anymore.  If someone wants to revive that and
> start accepting new stories again, I can provide the records I kept for
> the existing stories.

Please submit your success stories to our new project, the Python
brochure project:

http://brochure.getpython.info/learn-more

We are collecting success stories for the Python brochure, but will
also put them on the support website and are aiming at later merging
them back into the python.org listing of success stories or creating
a new home for them under getpython.info.

Thanks,
-- 
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eGenix.com

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From merwok at netwok.org  Sun Oct  9 04:27:23 2011
From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 04:27:23 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] 2011 PSF Community Service Award webpage -
 Please Update
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dK+0yxFx_MZxaHPbk60VxVFEOg4v8WYHH_mJbF6PRM0cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4dJ6d8ENiJHBG8_bYp=ge2LR448jSMWvXtf_M+D9NYdWjw@mail.gmail.com>	<4E8F2482.4090006@netwok.org>
	<CAFy_4dK+0yxFx_MZxaHPbk60VxVFEOg4v8WYHH_mJbF6PRM0cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E91068B.6030809@netwok.org>

Hi Pam,

> Does the last item refer to Tarek as the author or that he is a current
> maintainer?

When I read ?working on a new package manager called pip?, I infer that
he was the primary author or a prominent contributor, which he isn?t
(see https://github.com/pypa/pip/contributors).  Tarek deserves credit,
but not for pip :)

Cheers

From jnoller at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 17:57:01 2011
From: jnoller at gmail.com (Jesse Noller)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:57:01 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Commit rights to the Python.org site
Message-ID: <CACQrdOkXbVPWT2f3C0==qHP5NZ5UUmRD6dG9S4+kRCgEV2cqEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello;

I would like to request commit rights to the pydotorg website to
update PSF pages. Please let me know what you need from me in terms of
login and SSH key(s).

Jesse Noller

From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Sun Oct  9 19:28:55 2011
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:28:55 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Commit rights to the Python.org site
In-Reply-To: <CACQrdOkXbVPWT2f3C0==qHP5NZ5UUmRD6dG9S4+kRCgEV2cqEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQrdOkXbVPWT2f3C0==qHP5NZ5UUmRD6dG9S4+kRCgEV2cqEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547103F8-A3A0-497D-8FFB-AD7C909B9CB6@voidspace.org.uk>

Hello Jesse,

The normal way to get access it to email the pydotorg mailing list (not pydotorg-www) with your request and your ssh key. The only active person providing access is currently Martin von Loewis, so it sometimes takes a while for him to install new ssh keys.

All the best,

Michael Foord


On 9 Oct 2011, at 16:57, Jesse Noller wrote:
> Hello;
> 
> I would like to request commit rights to the pydotorg website to
> update PSF pages. Please let me know what you need from me in terms of
> login and SSH key(s).
> 
> Jesse Noller
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www




--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From noah at coderanger.net  Sun Oct  9 20:41:58 2011
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:41:58 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Commit rights to the Python.org site
In-Reply-To: <547103F8-A3A0-497D-8FFB-AD7C909B9CB6@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <CACQrdOkXbVPWT2f3C0==qHP5NZ5UUmRD6dG9S4+kRCgEV2cqEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<547103F8-A3A0-497D-8FFB-AD7C909B9CB6@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CDB01078-6073-44CB-B80D-429BF97D004A@coderanger.net>

If Martin wants to give the formal okay I would be happy to do the dirty work :)

--Noah

On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Michael Foord wrote:

> Hello Jesse,
> 
> The normal way to get access it to email the pydotorg mailing list (not pydotorg-www) with your request and your ssh key. The only active person providing access is currently Martin von Loewis, so it sometimes takes a while for him to install new ssh keys.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Michael Foord
> 
> 
> On 9 Oct 2011, at 16:57, Jesse Noller wrote:
>> Hello;
>> 
>> I would like to request commit rights to the pydotorg website to
>> update PSF pages. Please let me know what you need from me in terms of
>> login and SSH key(s).
>> 
>> Jesse Noller
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> 
> 
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing 
> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www

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From michael at python.org  Sun Oct  9 21:37:32 2011
From: michael at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:37:32 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] do you still accept success stories?
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On 8 Oct 2011, at 12:16, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Stephan Deibel wrote:
>> On 10/5/11 7:55 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
>>> Pythonology administers the "Python Success Stories" section of the
>>> Python.org website, so we aren't currently accepting new success stories.
>> 
>> Actually, just so everyone cc-ed here knows:  I no longer administer the
>> pages on python.org (or any Python Success Stories pages).  I just don't
>> have the time to do this anymore.  If someone wants to revive that and
>> start accepting new stories again, I can provide the records I kept for
>> the existing stories.
> 
> Please submit your success stories to our new project, the Python
> brochure project:
> 
> http://brochure.getpython.info/learn-more
> 
> We are collecting success stories for the Python brochure, but will
> also put them on the support website and are aiming at later merging
> them back into the python.org listing of success stories or creating
> a new home for them under getpython.info.


We should probably update the python.org success story page to point to the brochure (especially for submission).

Michael



> 
> Thanks,




--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html







From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Oct 10 07:28:30 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:28:30 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Commit rights to the Python.org
	site
In-Reply-To: <CACQrdOkXbVPWT2f3C0==qHP5NZ5UUmRD6dG9S4+kRCgEV2cqEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQrdOkXbVPWT2f3C0==qHP5NZ5UUmRD6dG9S4+kRCgEV2cqEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E92827E.9020806@v.loewis.de>


> I would like to request commit rights to the pydotorg website to
> update PSF pages. Please let me know what you need from me in terms of
> login and SSH key(s).

I've added Jesse as a committer.

Regards,
Martin


From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 01:02:50 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:02:50 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Quick webstats question
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqUC3akpa4uKyM5hg-=_UfdM4OsZkDLf1XJH2FvQ7T2uQ@mail.gmail.com>

This seems self explanatory, but I just wanted a quick sanity check
before I use these numbers in a report...

1. Open http://www.python.org/webstats/url_201110.html
2. Do a CTRL-F for "/ftp/python/2.7.2/python-2.7.2.msi". The hit count
is "163124"
3. Does this mean 163,124 people downloaded that 2.7.2 Windows
installer so far this month?

The reason I ask is because it would mean we average around 1.5M
Windows installers downloaded per month for the last year, unless of
course I am misunderstanding what that page means.

(I apologize if this is the wrong mailing list, I figured it would be
the most likely correct one)

From noah at coderanger.net  Wed Oct 12 01:13:48 2011
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:13:48 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Quick webstats question
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqUC3akpa4uKyM5hg-=_UfdM4OsZkDLf1XJH2FvQ7T2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwqUC3akpa4uKyM5hg-=_UfdM4OsZkDLf1XJH2FvQ7T2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65CE28F2-1D18-404B-A7E5-F1D491175CC1@coderanger.net>

On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:

> This seems self explanatory, but I just wanted a quick sanity check
> before I use these numbers in a report...
> 
> 1. Open http://www.python.org/webstats/url_201110.html
> 2. Do a CTRL-F for "/ftp/python/2.7.2/python-2.7.2.msi". The hit count
> is "163124"
> 3. Does this mean 163,124 people downloaded that 2.7.2 Windows
> installer so far this month?
> 
> The reason I ask is because it would mean we average around 1.5M
> Windows installers downloaded per month for the last year, unless of
> course I am misunderstanding what that page means.

That number will also include web crawlers I think, not sure how carefully those are filtered from the logs.

--Noah
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From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Oct 12 01:19:48 2011
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:19:48 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Quick webstats question
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Noah Kantrowitz <noah at coderanger.net> wrote:
> On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
>
>> This seems self explanatory, but I just wanted a quick sanity check
>> before I use these numbers in a report...
>>
>> 1. Open http://www.python.org/webstats/url_201110.html
>> 2. Do a CTRL-F for "/ftp/python/2.7.2/python-2.7.2.msi". The hit count
>> is "163124"
>> 3. Does this mean 163,124 people downloaded that 2.7.2 Windows
>> installer so far this month?
>>
>> The reason I ask is because it would mean we average around 1.5M
>> Windows installers downloaded per month for the last year, unless of
>> course I am misunderstanding what that page means.
>
> That number will also include web crawlers I think, not sure how carefully those are filtered from the logs.
>

Is it safe to assume that all of the download counts will be hit about
the same?  so take the lowest, assume it is 100% crawler traffic,
subtract from the rest, get non crawler traffic.

-- 
Carl K

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 01:50:27 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:50:27 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Quick webstats question
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSjRCXK3Ntz=OGCnuh+aaBGYG2RYdSTOXy9jUBdOtaQK7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwqUC3akpa4uKyM5hg-=_UfdM4OsZkDLf1XJH2FvQ7T2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<65CE28F2-1D18-404B-A7E5-F1D491175CC1@coderanger.net>
	<CADmzSSjRCXK3Ntz=OGCnuh+aaBGYG2RYdSTOXy9jUBdOtaQK7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwp+x7tnKC4g3G=yT7QWV48zk5fN9F6mVUvfrsSciiOt+A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 18:19, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Noah Kantrowitz <noah at coderanger.net> wrote:
>> On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
>>> The reason I ask is because it would mean we average around 1.5M
>>> Windows installers downloaded per month for the last year, unless of
>>> course I am misunderstanding what that page means.
>>
>> That number will also include web crawlers I think, not sure how carefully those are filtered from the logs.
>>
>
> Is it safe to assume that all of the download counts will be hit about
> the same? ?so take the lowest, assume it is 100% crawler traffic,
> subtract from the rest, get non crawler traffic.

If that's the case, in a full month some old 2.3 installers are being
hit around 2000 times. Subtract that away from each of the more
current/active releases and it's barely a difference, which is great.

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Oct 12 17:42:33 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:42:33 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Quick webstats question
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqUC3akpa4uKyM5hg-=_UfdM4OsZkDLf1XJH2FvQ7T2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwqUC3akpa4uKyM5hg-=_UfdM4OsZkDLf1XJH2FvQ7T2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111012154233.GB23563@panix.com>

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011, Brian Curtin wrote:
>
> This seems self explanatory, but I just wanted a quick sanity check
> before I use these numbers in a report...
> 
> 1. Open http://www.python.org/webstats/url_201110.html
> 2. Do a CTRL-F for "/ftp/python/2.7.2/python-2.7.2.msi". The hit count
> is "163124"
> 3. Does this mean 163,124 people downloaded that 2.7.2 Windows
> installer so far this month?
> 
> The reason I ask is because it would mean we average around 1.5M
> Windows installers downloaded per month for the last year, unless of
> course I am misunderstanding what that page means.

Nitpick: that's the number of installers downloaded, not the number of
people downloading.  Consider e.g. someone has an automated process for
setting up a build machine that rebuilds from scratch each time
(including download from python.org).  But it's a rough proxy.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From patcam at python.org  Wed Oct 12 21:15:59 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:15:59 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] 2011 PSF Community Service Award webpage -
	Please Update
In-Reply-To: <4E91068B.6030809@netwok.org>
References: <CAFy_4dJ6d8ENiJHBG8_bYp=ge2LR448jSMWvXtf_M+D9NYdWjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E8F2482.4090006@netwok.org>
	<CAFy_4dK+0yxFx_MZxaHPbk60VxVFEOg4v8WYHH_mJbF6PRM0cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E91068B.6030809@netwok.org>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dLYDQdoAs-9VDkvv2wOBjFX_E9ci+yRH63e+M16Mj-W8g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tarek:

Could you please help us by provide feedback on the "wording" that
was/is associated with your award and attributed to your "work." Should
other wording be used or not? If so, what would you suggest?

Your feedback would be appreciated in order for us to move
forward here?

Hi Eric:

Thanks for your input.

Pat

2011/10/8 ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org>

> Hi Pam,
>
> > Does the last item refer to Tarek as the author or that he is a current
> > maintainer?
>
> When I read ?working on a new package manager called pip?, I infer that
> he was the primary author or a prominent contributor, which he isn?t
> (see https://github.com/pypa/pip/contributors).  Tarek deserves credit,
> but not for pip :)
>
> Cheers
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From martin at v.loewis.de  Thu Oct 13 19:07:05 2011
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:07:05 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Quick webstats question
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqUC3akpa4uKyM5hg-=_UfdM4OsZkDLf1XJH2FvQ7T2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwqUC3akpa4uKyM5hg-=_UfdM4OsZkDLf1XJH2FvQ7T2uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E971AB9.7090000@v.loewis.de>

> 3. Does this mean 163,124 people downloaded that 2.7.2 Windows
> installer so far this month?

With the caveat that it wasn't necessarily people: yes.

> The reason I ask is because it would mean we average around 1.5M
> Windows installers downloaded per month for the last year, unless of
> course I am misunderstanding what that page means.

It's indeed amazing. Guido has been keeping track of these numbers
for the last 10 or twenty years, and uses them occasionally in talks;
seeing them develop is even more amazing. On the  one hand, this is
only downloads, not installations. On the other hand, ActivePython
is also in widespread use, and not even accounted for in these numbers.

Also for some time now, MSI downloads by far exceed source downloads.
Given that primary users of source downloads would be Unix users that
build Python for themselves. However, given that Linux and OSX have
been including Python for quite some time, users of those systems
don't download from python.org (anymore), unless they want the most
recent release or a custom build. In summary, I find it even more
amazing that Python is part of the operating system now - I wish
it would also be part of Windows :-)

Regards,
Martin

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Oct 14 20:23:36 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:23:36 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Broken link on python.org
In-Reply-To: <CAP7+vJJ29Bc9gcDkSmkbCEL2Gc8vB7qScW8M5=vCG=XUxW9vNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46294aa9a5cb03a6783ca04e0019152b@rikstacket.com>
	<CAP7+vJL7jCE=N6s96E-xvEN6NQB8E1D+Kk5k-=nLTP3ZDF12Mw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAP7+vJJ29Bc9gcDkSmkbCEL2Gc8vB7qScW8M5=vCG=XUxW9vNQ@mail.gmail.com>
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    Guido> Hm, but
    Guido> http://www.python.org/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyYHS.html
    Guido> isn't on the wiki. So I don't know how to fix it via the wiki.

True enough.  While I realize we could probably adjust the links so they are
correct, I'm a bit hesitant to modify something which seems to be someone
else's creative work.  Should we try to contact Jeffrey Elkner first before
just making the necessary change?

Skip

    Guido> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:27 AM,  <webmaster at python.org> wrote:
    >> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011, Guido van Rossum wrote:
    >>> 
    >>> Is this the right place to post python.org corrections?
    >> 
    >> Overall, yes; that person also pinged webmaster, and my response was
    >> that it's on the wiki, zie should be able to edit it zirself. ?Anything
    >> not on the wiki is our task to fix.
    >> --
    >> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) ? ? ? ? ? <*> ? ? ? ? http://www.pythoncraft.com/
    >> 
    >> "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
    >> until you hire an amateur." ?--Red Adair
    >> 



    Guido> -- 
    Guido> --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)

From guido at python.org  Fri Oct 14 20:29:37 2011
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:29:37 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Broken link on python.org
In-Reply-To: <20120.32296.240109.803783@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <46294aa9a5cb03a6783ca04e0019152b@rikstacket.com>
	<CAP7+vJL7jCE=N6s96E-xvEN6NQB8E1D+Kk5k-=nLTP3ZDF12Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20111014162706.GB26765@panix.com>
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Message-ID: <CAP7+vJK8PYrCBdhP26CPmgie=ASter1DSqERZKmV=mcCKZ2ddg@mail.gmail.com>

Depends on whether you expect a lot of other people will report the
same broken links...

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:23 AM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> ? ?Guido> Hm, but
> ? ?Guido> http://www.python.org/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyYHS.html
> ? ?Guido> isn't on the wiki. So I don't know how to fix it via the wiki.
>
> True enough. ?While I realize we could probably adjust the links so they are
> correct, I'm a bit hesitant to modify something which seems to be someone
> else's creative work. ?Should we try to contact Jeffrey Elkner first before
> just making the necessary change?
>
> Skip
>
> ? ?Guido> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:27 AM, ?<webmaster at python.org> wrote:
> ? ?>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> ? ?>>>
> ? ?>>> Is this the right place to post python.org corrections?
> ? ?>>
> ? ?>> Overall, yes; that person also pinged webmaster, and my response was
> ? ?>> that it's on the wiki, zie should be able to edit it zirself. ?Anything
> ? ?>> not on the wiki is our task to fix.
> ? ?>> --
> ? ?>> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) ? ? ? ? ? <*> ? ? ? ? http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> ? ?>>
> ? ?>> "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
> ? ?>> until you hire an amateur." ?--Red Adair
> ? ?>>
>
>
>
> ? ?Guido> --
> ? ?Guido> --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
>



-- 
--Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)

From patcam at python.org  Sun Oct 16 03:57:26 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:57:26 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF Committees - webpage - please update
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dJAe-14ahVejUP-NCCqFXZt1TJ1BCP=BjGktuKdvNpoDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg:

1. Could you please replace the following information on the *PSF Committees
* webpage at http://www.python.org/psf/committees/ under the heading:  ?Active
Committees, Infrastructure Committee (IC)? from:
Infrastructure Committee (IC) <http://www.python.org/psf/committees/#id4>

*Formed:*

March 24, 2005

*Chairman:*

Brett Cannon

*Members:*

Brett Cannon (brett at python.org), Richard Jones (richard at python.org),
A.M. Kuchling (amk at amk.ca), Martin v. L?wis (martin at v.loewis.de),
Barry Warsaw (barry at python.org), Thomas Wouters (thomas at python.org)

*Mailing List:*

infrastructure at
python.org<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure>

This committee works on making concrete plans for improving
python.orginfrastructure and to address technical infrastructure
broadly. The board
created this committee at a special meeting on March 24 2005.

*The information on the webpage should read:*
Infrastructure Committee (IC) <http://www.python.org/psf/committees/#id4>

*Formed:*

April 2010

*Chairman:*

Sean Reifschneider


*Members:*

Sean Reifschneider (jafo at tummy.com)

*Mailing List:*

infrastructure at
python.org<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure>

This committee works on making concrete plans for improving
python.orginfrastructure and to address technical infrastructure
broadly. The board
created this committee at a special meeting on March 24 2005.

Current resolution: April 2010

*RESOLVED*, that Sean Reifschneider be appointed chairman of the
Infrastructure Committee.

Establishing resolution: Unavailable

2. Could you please add the following information to the *PSF
Committees*webpage at
http://www.python.org/psf/committees/ under the heading:  ?Active
Committees, Outreach & Education Committee (OREC)?:
Outreach & Education Committee
(OREC)<http://www.python.org/psf/committees/#id5>

*Formed:*

June 27, 2011

*Chairman:*

David Mertz

*Members:*

David Mertz (mertz at gnosis.cx), Gloria Jacobs (strangest at comcast.net),
Jessica McKellar (jessica.mckellar at gmail.com), Daniel Greenfeld (pydanny
at gmail.com), Audrey Roy (audreyr at pyladies.com), Ned Batchelder (ned at
nedbatchelder.com), Asheesh Laroia (asheesh at asheesh.org ), Simon Law
(sfllaw at sfllaw.ca ), and Yannick Gingras (ygingras at ygingras.net).

*Mailing List:*

outreach-and-education at python.org

Establishing resolution:

*RESOLVED*, that the PSF form an official "Outreach and Education" project
management committee with the goals of identifying key initiatives, programs
and subjects in this domain that the PSF can assist, fund or help guide.
This committee will make recommendations to the membership, the board and
its committees and act as a guiding hand for the PSF in this domain. The
committee will be chaired by David Mertz (PSF Director). The initial
membership will be the following individuals: Gloria Jacobs (PSF Director),
Jessica McKellar, Daniel Greenfeld, Audrey Roy, Ned Batchelder, Asheesh
Laroia, Simon Law and Yannick Gingras.

3. Could you please add the following information to the *PSF
Committees*webpage at
http://www.python.org/psf/committees/ under the heading:  ?Active
Committees, Sprint Committee (SC)?:
Sprint Committee (SC) <http://www.python.org/psf/committees/#id5>

*Formed:*

May 10, 2010

*Chairman:*

Jesse Noller

*Members:*

Jesse Noller (jnoller at gmail.com), Alex Gaynor (alex.gaynor at gmail.com),
Brian Curtin (brian.curtin at gmail.com), Geremy Condra (debatem1 at
gmail.com), Catherine Devlin (catherine.devlin at gmail.com), Doug Napoleone
(doug.napoleone at gmail.com), Jack Diederich (jackdiedat @gmail.com), Jacob
Kaplan-Moss (jacob at jacobian.org), Kelsey Hightower (kelsey.hightower at
gmail.com), James Mills (unknown), R. David Murray (r. david rdmurray at
bitdance.com)

*Mailing List:*

sprints at python.org

The committee will be responsible for the coordination and review and
approval of sprint proposals.

Establishing resolution:

*RESOLVED*, that the Board approves the creation of a specific "Targeted
Sprint Committee" and allocates a yearly budget of 5000 USD for the funding
of targeted, community based sprints with Jesse Noller as the initial
Chairman, and additional members as needed per project requirements and
approved by the board.

4. Could you please replace the following information on the *PSF Committees
* webpage at http://www.python.org/psf/committees/ under the heading:  ?Active
Committees, Trademarks Committee (TMC)? from:
Trademarks Committee (TMC) <http://www.python.org/psf/committees/#id5>

*Formed:*

November 10, 2008

*Chairman:*

James Tauber

*Members:*

David Goodger (goodger at python.org), Marc-Andre Lemburg (mal at egenix.com),
Van Lindberg (van.lindberg at gmail.com), David Mertz (mertz at gnosis.cx),
Doug Napoleone (doug.napoleone at gmail.com), James Tauber (jtauber at
jtauber.com), Trevor Toenjes (ttoenjes at gmail.com)

*Mailing List:*

psf-trademarks at
python.org<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-trademarks>

This committee assesses actual and proposed uses of the Python trademarks.
See the PSF Trademark Usage Policy <http://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/>.

Establishing resolution:

*RESOLVED*, that a Project Management Committee designated the "Trademarks
Committee" (TMC) be formed with David Goodger, Marc-Andre Lemburg, Van
Lindberg, David Mertz, Doug Napoleone, James Tauber and Trevor Toenjes as
initial members, and James Tauber as the initial chairman, and that the
Trademarks Committee shall, when so instructed by the PSF Board, assess
trademarks for compliance with the current PSF Trademark Usage Policy and
advise the PSF Board on what action, if any, to take.

*The information on the webpage should read:*
Trademarks Committee (TMC) <http://www.python.org/psf/committees/#id5>

*Formed:*

November 10, 2008

*Chairman:*

David Mertz

*Members:*

Chair David Mertz (mertz at gnosis.cx), David Goodger (goodger at python.org),
Marc-Andre Lemburg (mal at egenix.com), Doug Napoleone (doug.napoleone at
gmail.com), James Tauber (jtauber at jtauber.com)

*Mailing List:*

psf-trademarks at
python.org<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-trademarks>

This committee assesses actual and proposed uses of the Python trademarks.
See the PSF Trademark Usage Policy <http://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/>.

Current resolution: (July 2010)

*RESOLVED*, that the Board reauthorize the Trademarks Committee, with a
membership consisting of Chair David Mertz, and members Marc-Andre Lemburg,
David Goodger, James Tauber, Doug Napoleone. Further resolve that the Chair
shall be authorized to appoint or remove such advisors to the committee as
s/he sees fit, where advisors may offer advice to the committee on legal or
technical issues but shall not vote in discussions nor count towards quorum.

Establishing resolution:

*RESOLVED*, that a Project Management Committee designated the "Trademarks
Committee" (TMC) be formed with David Goodger, Marc-Andre Lemburg, Van
Lindberg, David Mertz, Doug Napoleone, James Tauber and Trevor Toenjes as
initial members, and James Tauber as the initial chairman, and that the
Trademarks Committee shall, when so instructed by the PSF Board, assess
trademarks for compliance with the current PSF Trademark Usage Policy and
advise the PSF Board on what action, if any, to take.



If you have any questions, please let me know.



Thanks,

Pat


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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 17 19:00:48 2011
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:00:48 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Problem with gate_news
Message-ID: <20124.24384.577742.677204@montanaro.dyndns.org>


This traceback has been sent to postmaster several times in the past couple
days.  Neither Ralf nor I profess to know how this is supposed to work, and
no other postmaster person has chimed in.  Does anyone here know what might
be causing gate_news to fail?  I suspect a problem connecting to a Usenet
news server, but don't know what server that might be and haven't had time
to look into it yet.

If anybody here can provide some clues, please chime in.  I'll try to take a
look this evening.

Skip

    Cron> Traceback (most recent call last):
    Cron>   File "/srv/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 390, in <module>
    Cron>     main()
    Cron>   File "/srv/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 372, in main
    Cron>     clearcache()
    Cron>   File "/srv/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 133, in clearcache
    Cron>     conn.quit()
    Cron>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/nntplib.py", line 599, in quit
    Cron>     resp = self.shortcmd('QUIT')
    Cron>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/nntplib.py", line 259, in shortcmd
    Cron>     return self.getresp()
    Cron>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/nntplib.py", line 214, in getresp
    Cron>     resp = self.getline()
    Cron>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/nntplib.py", line 206, in getline
    Cron>     if not line: raise EOFError
    Cron> EOFError

From patcam at python.org  Tue Oct 18 00:01:23 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:01:23 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- September 2011
	- Please Post Online
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dLAiWnGKFW4TkEMu8DXzSbqGgMGWpJqH6mDZ5RN=f9=zw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Pydotorg:

Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online,
http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/  at the usual web
locations:
please see the attachments for the approved board meeting minutes for
September 2011.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Pat

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From patcam at python.org  Tue Oct 18 00:12:59 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:12:59 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from July through September 2011
 Board Meetings - Please Post Online
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+vgVS48F4Da=s9wfFfbyybmgZV3Bu9nLh9m-bufexbiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi pydotorg team:



Could you please add the following board resolutions from

the July through September 2011 board meeting to this web page:



http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/



Please see the list of board resolutions to be added below:



**RESOLVED**, that the 2011 - Q3 PSF Community Service Award

   be made to Nick Coghlan and Arc Riley.



Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 19 September 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide grant funding of $3000 to Chris

   McDonough to port WebOB to Python 3 which is set to begin on

   10/01/2011 and finish on 10/31/2011. And, payment for his work shall

   be received on or before 11/30/2011.



Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 19 September 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide permission to the China Python User Group


   to use the PyCon name in support of their efforts to organize a PyCon
China

   conference.



Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 19 September 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a grant of USD 750 to the PyTexas 2011

   organizers for the 2011 PyTexas Conference to be held from September
10-11th

   in College Station, Texas, USA.



Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 19 September 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a grant of USD 750 to the PyCon PL 2011

   organizers for the 2011 PyCon PL Conference to be held from September
22th to

   September 25th in Kielce, Poland.



Approved 10-0-0 by IRC vote, 19 September 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF approve the 2012 PyCon budget presented by J.
Noller.

   http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/2011-August/015283.html

   http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/2011-August/015282.html



Approved 9-0-2 by IRC vote, 15 August 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that The Outreach and Education Committee shall have authority
to

   authorize PSF expenditure of up to US$5000 per calendar year, to be spent
and

   divided as the Committee determines it best assists in promoting
diversity with Python

   communities.  Any commitment of PSF funds by the Committee shall be
subject to the

   voting procedure adopted by the Committee and set forth in its July 2011
Committee

   report (
http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/psf-board/2011-July/015026.html)



Approved 7-3-1 by IRC vote, 15 August 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a grant of US$1600 to the organizers

   of the Python Brazil 2011 conference to be held from September 29th to

   October 1st in S?o Paulo.



Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 15 August 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a grant of US$1500 to the organizers

   of the PyCon UK 2011 conference to be held from September 24th to

   September 25th in Coventry UK.



Approved 11-0-0 by IRC vote, 15 August 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a grant of US$1500 to the organizers

   of the PyCon DE 2011 conference.



Approved 10-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 July 2011.



**RESOLVED**, that the PSF offers a grant of US$1500 to the organizers

   of the PyCon Ireland 2011 conference.



Approved 9-0-1 by IRC vote, 18 July 2011.



Thanks,

Pat


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From patcam at python.org  Mon Oct 24 21:06:27 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:06:27 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] 2011 PSF Community Service Award webpage -
	Please Update
In-Reply-To: <4E91068B.6030809@netwok.org>
References: <CAFy_4dJ6d8ENiJHBG8_bYp=ge2LR448jSMWvXtf_M+D9NYdWjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E8F2482.4090006@netwok.org>
	<CAFy_4dK+0yxFx_MZxaHPbk60VxVFEOg4v8WYHH_mJbF6PRM0cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E91068B.6030809@netwok.org>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKO++2q=U3X4FsNgsL4s2A2iy-=4xUbFvwDfP=UkkV8dg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eric & pydotorg:

Please feel free to leave the part that refers to pip out. We can
update it at a later point in time.

However, thanks for your attention to details. And, I would like to
get the 2011 winners posted online.

If you have any other questions, please let me know.

Pat



2011/10/8 ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org>

> Hi Pam,
>
> > Does the last item refer to Tarek as the author or that he is a current
> > maintainer?
>
> When I read ?working on a new package manager called pip?, I infer that
> he was the primary author or a prominent contributor, which he isn?t
> (see https://github.com/pypa/pip/contributors).  Tarek deserves credit,
> but not for pip :)
>
> Cheers
>



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From patcam at python.org  Thu Oct 27 22:13:52 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:13:52 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Recently requested several Items to be posted online
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+AbM+gmuNJs+_JTvdD-ROk5Etno7kdc0S8TtVngYVzOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg Team:

I have recently requested to have several items posted online and
the requested items have not been posted.

In the past, most request are usually done within a week of the
request. Is there some kind of an issue?

I hope everything is okay :).

Please let me know if I need to re-submit the items that are
in need of replacing the current out-of-date online material.

Thanks in advance,
Pat

-- 
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From mfoord at python.org  Fri Oct 28 13:32:39 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:32:39 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Recently requested several Items to be posted
 online
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4d+AbM+gmuNJs+_JTvdD-ROk5Etno7kdc0S8TtVngYVzOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+AbM+gmuNJs+_JTvdD-ROk5Etno7kdc0S8TtVngYVzOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EAA92D7.1070905@python.org>

Hello Pat,

I can't speak for the others, but it's going to be a few weeks before I 
have the spare time to do website maintenance I'm afraid. I assume 
everyone else here is busy too. Hopefully someone else will be able to 
post the items you request shortly, but we only have a handful of active 
volunteers doing website maintenance.

If this remains a problem I recommend bringing it up on the psf-members 
or psf-board mailing list as I don't think the current situation is 
"working". Strictly my opinion of course.

All the best,

Michael Foord

On 27/10/2011 21:13, Pat Campbell wrote:
> Hi Pydotorg Team:
>
> I have recently requested to have several items posted online and
> the requested items have not been posted.
>
> In the past, most request are usually done within a week of the
> request. Is there some kind of an issue?
>
> I hope everything is okay :).
>
> Please let me know if I need to re-submit the items that are
> in need of replacing the current out-of-date online material.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Pat
>
> -- 
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org <mailto:patcam at python.org>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


-- 
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May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
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From patcam at python.org  Fri Oct 28 14:10:08 2011
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:10:08 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Recently requested several Items to be posted
	online
In-Reply-To: <4EAA92D7.1070905@python.org>
References: <CAFy_4d+AbM+gmuNJs+_JTvdD-ROk5Etno7kdc0S8TtVngYVzOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EAA92D7.1070905@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKFMe4ZEV6E7P=hU-vJ-OwVASzus8JR-vbAWWta1kdc-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the feedback Michael.
Pat

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Michael Foord <mfoord at python.org> wrote:

>  Hello Pat,
>
> I can't speak for the others, but it's going to be a few weeks before I
> have the spare time to do website maintenance I'm afraid. I assume everyone
> else here is busy too. Hopefully someone else will be able to post the items
> you request shortly, but we only have a handful of active volunteers doing
> website maintenance.
>
> If this remains a problem I recommend bringing it up on the psf-members or
> psf-board mailing list as I don't think the current situation is "working".
> Strictly my opinion of course.
>
> All the best,
>
> Michael Foord
>
>
> On 27/10/2011 21:13, Pat Campbell wrote:
>
> Hi Pydotorg Team:
>
> I have recently requested to have several items posted online and
> the requested items have not been posted.
>
> In the past, most request are usually done within a week of the
> request. Is there some kind of an issue?
>
> I hope everything is okay :).
>
> Please let me know if I need to re-submit the items that are
> in need of replacing the current out-of-date online material.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Pat
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing listpydotorg-www at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
>
> -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>
>


-- 
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From jnoller at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 15:38:08 2011
From: jnoller at gmail.com (Jesse Noller)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:38:08 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: wiki.python.org
In-Reply-To: <D689A98C54264212862A93C35C5EBC4F@gmail.com>
References: <D689A98C54264212862A93C35C5EBC4F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACQrdOmfLTbv+xt0ULxpuSdovB_Nu=NLoOL8D98FXkdbPO85fQ@mail.gmail.com>

FYI; from a user

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Donald Stufft <donald.stufft at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:04 AM
Subject: wiki.python.org
To: jnoller at python.org


Hello!
I had asked your wife if you had anything to do with the python.org
website and she said you did and directed me to email you.
On wiki.python.org the logo in the top left should take you back to
http://python.org/. There doesn't currently appear to be an easy way
to get back, and there is a "Front Page" link already in the
navigation for going to the front page of the wiki. Alternatively some
sort of "Return to Python.org" Link in the same approximate location
would also suffice.
Thanks for your Time!
Donald Stufft

From alfonsodg at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 16:54:56 2011
From: alfonsodg at gmail.com (Alfonso de la Guarda)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:54:56 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Write access for communications team
Message-ID: <CADxbF3MBdSOAivdycpNrGdr0uYW1oFWa2bjPSwqST4A2T6CYDg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
According to Doug Hellmann, some people of the communications
teamneeds write access, including me
https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/beta.python.org
Please, show me the steps to do that with my account
Ask to doug.hellmann at gmail.com


Saludos,

--------------------------------
Alfonso de la Guarda
Centro Open Source(COS)
http://www.cos-la.net
http://alfonsodg.net
?? Telef. 991935157
1024D/B23B24A4
5469 ED92 75A3 BBDB FD6B? 58A5 54A1 851D B23B 24A4

From mfoord at python.org  Fri Oct 28 16:57:00 2011
From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:57:00 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Write access for communications team
In-Reply-To: <CADxbF3MBdSOAivdycpNrGdr0uYW1oFWa2bjPSwqST4A2T6CYDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADxbF3MBdSOAivdycpNrGdr0uYW1oFWa2bjPSwqST4A2T6CYDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EAAC2BC.3040605@python.org>

Hello Alfonso,

All those who need access will need to email their request to 
pydotorg at python.org (no need to join the mailing list first) with their 
ssh keys.

All the best,

Michael Foord

On 28/10/2011 15:54, Alfonso de la Guarda wrote:
> Hi,
> According to Doug Hellmann, some people of the communications
> teamneeds write access, including me
> https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/beta.python.org
> Please, show me the steps to do that with my account
> Ask to doug.hellmann at gmail.com
>
>
> Saludos,
>
> --------------------------------
> Alfonso de la Guarda
> Centro Open Source(COS)
> http://www.cos-la.net
> http://alfonsodg.net
>     Telef. 991935157
> 1024D/B23B24A4
> 5469 ED92 75A3 BBDB FD6B  58A5 54A1 851D B23B 24A4
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


-- 
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html


From alfonsodg at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 16:50:28 2011
From: alfonsodg at gmail.com (Alfonso de la Guarda)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:50:28 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Write access
Message-ID: <CADxbF3O9aMxUHXDSX4gzeEcVdW0w5cKmbs=Fgj320TEbfrvsZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

According to Doug Hellmann, some people of the communications team
needs write access, including me

https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/beta.python.org

Please, show me the steps to do that

Ask to doug.hellmann at gmail.com


Saludos,

--------------------------------
Alfonso de la Guarda
Centro Open Source(COS)
http://www.cos-la.net
http://alfonsodg.net
?? Telef. 991935157
1024D/B23B24A4
5469 ED92 75A3 BBDB FD6B? 58A5 54A1 851D B23B 24A4

From techtonik at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 12:13:04 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:13:04 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: wiki.python.org
In-Reply-To: <CACQrdOmfLTbv+xt0ULxpuSdovB_Nu=NLoOL8D98FXkdbPO85fQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D689A98C54264212862A93C35C5EBC4F@gmail.com>
	<CACQrdOmfLTbv+xt0ULxpuSdovB_Nu=NLoOL8D98FXkdbPO85fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+efZpxEOJtF++vVRXMe9Z0eOp6oLwwtq5tY-1_wt7yfA@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW, we are all developers and it's strange that people send reports
instead of patches. Something is wrong here. I suspect it is
insufficient exposure of source code running the site. There is a
Code-In coming - it might be a good idea to suggest improvements in
this area for the challenge.
--
anatoly t.


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Jesse Noller <jnoller at gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI; from a user
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Donald Stufft <donald.stufft at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:04 AM
> Subject: wiki.python.org
> To: jnoller at python.org
>
>
> Hello!
> I had asked your wife if you had anything to do with the python.org
> website and she said you did and directed me to email you.
> On wiki.python.org the logo in the top left should take you back to
> http://python.org/. There doesn't currently appear to be an easy way
> to get back, and there is a "Front Page" link already in the
> navigation for going to the front page of the wiki. Alternatively some
> sort of "Return to Python.org" Link in the same approximate location
> would also suffice.
> Thanks for your Time!
> Donald Stufft
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 16:45:25 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:45:25 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: wiki.python.org
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+efZpxEOJtF++vVRXMe9Z0eOp6oLwwtq5tY-1_wt7yfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D689A98C54264212862A93C35C5EBC4F@gmail.com>
	<CACQrdOmfLTbv+xt0ULxpuSdovB_Nu=NLoOL8D98FXkdbPO85fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPkN8x+efZpxEOJtF++vVRXMe9Z0eOp6oLwwtq5tY-1_wt7yfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwp2_yDxHO9F=tV+3-mYT9hn1EgnHrc1pnQa7qSaOO5Mhg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 05:13, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW, we are all developers and it's strange that people send reports
> instead of patches. Something is wrong here. I suspect it is
> insufficient exposure of source code running the site. There is a
> Code-In coming - it might be a good idea to suggest improvements in
> this area for the challenge.

Not everyone has the time or interest to submit patches. I *know* you
know this, as we've interacted on mailing lists and the bug tracker
for a while now.

However a person wants to notify us of an issue is better than not
notifying us at all.

From techtonik at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 17:45:45 2011
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:45:45 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] pydotorg patches (Was:  Fwd: wiki.python.org)
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xJdEiTJgOPpJ32OThHbt9_pvq8tbf0qc_KMma2tDoO8OQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 05:13, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
>> FWIW, we are all developers and it's strange that people send reports
>> instead of patches. Something is wrong here. I suspect it is
>> insufficient exposure of source code running the site. There is a
>> Code-In coming - it might be a good idea to suggest improvements in
>> this area for the challenge.
>
> Not everyone has the time or interest to submit patches. I *know* you
> know this, as we've interacted on mailing lists and the bug tracker
> for a while now.

Merely repeating the fact won't help it. The root cause is not 'not
everyone has time', but 'not everyone has _that much_ time'. This is
how that time is spent:

1. Discover the source code for the site
2. Discover the thing that is wrong
3. Find a way how to fix the thing
4. Submit the patch

I would like to propose (to PSF, probably) - the following study.
Fetch people running outside in a corridor and ask them to change
something on the website. Then measure the time they spent trying to
figure out how to do this without asking questions. I guess more than
half of them will give up at point 1.

> However a person wants to notify us of an issue is better than not
> notifying us at all.

That's true. I wonder if the percentage of those who do this is below
0.1%, because some issues were reported only by subscribers of this
list and even me - who doesn't visit Python website very often? =)

Anyway, if there are any people interested in helping with an editor
for static files, I can prepare a more detailed Roadmap/Outline that
can be useful for Code-In or Jesse's sprints.
http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/detail?id=6 But I need
somebody to ping me periodically, or I lose the motivation.
--
anatoly t.

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Oct 30 02:43:20 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:43:20 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] do you still accept success stories?
In-Reply-To: <575B54FD-0B9D-41DB-A94A-5775DFE39006@python.org>
References: <CAOdTSDLVLEUHSZ4DTOcDQi-NQtpbFnm-WjfwN4NzPtD=kYPOdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<178BB0F3-E824-448C-8997-93BA57FBF11B@python.org>
	<4E8D075B.5010906@wingware.com> <4E9030F3.10103@egenix.com>
	<575B54FD-0B9D-41DB-A94A-5775DFE39006@python.org>
Message-ID: <20111030014320.GA18268@panix.com>

On Sun, Oct 09, 2011, Michael Foord wrote:
> On 8 Oct 2011, at 12:16, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> Stephan Deibel wrote:
>>> On 10/5/11 7:55 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
>>>> Pythonology administers the "Python Success Stories" section of the
>>>> Python.org website, so we aren't currently accepting new success stories.
>>> 
>>> Actually, just so everyone cc-ed here knows:  I no longer administer the
>>> pages on python.org (or any Python Success Stories pages).  I just don't
>>> have the time to do this anymore.  If someone wants to revive that and
>>> start accepting new stories again, I can provide the records I kept for
>>> the existing stories.
>> 
>> Please submit your success stories to our new project, the Python
>> brochure project:
>> 
>> http://brochure.getpython.info/learn-more
>> 
>> We are collecting success stories for the Python brochure, but will
>> also put them on the support website and are aiming at later merging
>> them back into the python.org listing of success stories or creating
>> a new home for them under getpython.info.
> 
> We should probably update the python.org success story page to point
> to the brochure (especially for submission).

Updated
http://www.python.org/about/success/
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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Oct 31 17:16:37 2011
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:16:37 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] do you still accept success stories?
In-Reply-To: <20111030014320.GA18268@panix.com>
References: <CAOdTSDLVLEUHSZ4DTOcDQi-NQtpbFnm-WjfwN4NzPtD=kYPOdQ@mail.gmail.com>	<178BB0F3-E824-448C-8997-93BA57FBF11B@python.org>	<4E8D075B.5010906@wingware.com>
	<4E9030F3.10103@egenix.com>	<575B54FD-0B9D-41DB-A94A-5775DFE39006@python.org>
	<20111030014320.GA18268@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4EAEC9E5.4070600@egenix.com>

Aahz wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 09, 2011, Michael Foord wrote:
>> On 8 Oct 2011, at 12:16, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> Stephan Deibel wrote:
>>>> On 10/5/11 7:55 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
>>>>> Pythonology administers the "Python Success Stories" section of the
>>>>> Python.org website, so we aren't currently accepting new success stories.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, just so everyone cc-ed here knows:  I no longer administer the
>>>> pages on python.org (or any Python Success Stories pages).  I just don't
>>>> have the time to do this anymore.  If someone wants to revive that and
>>>> start accepting new stories again, I can provide the records I kept for
>>>> the existing stories.
>>>
>>> Please submit your success stories to our new project, the Python
>>> brochure project:
>>>
>>> http://brochure.getpython.info/learn-more
>>>
>>> We are collecting success stories for the Python brochure, but will
>>> also put them on the support website and are aiming at later merging
>>> them back into the python.org listing of success stories or creating
>>> a new home for them under getpython.info.
>>
>> We should probably update the python.org success story page to point
>> to the brochure (especially for submission).
> 
> Updated
> http://www.python.org/about/success/

Thanks, Aahz.

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