[pydotorg-www] License of website

[Carl Karsten]

Will someone confirm this hunch: In general, we want to figure out how to
allow the content to be distributed without negative consequences.

What are the possible negative consequences?

I agree that no one is going to cause a fuss about their content being
distributed as described.   Except for us, who love to fuss on behalf of
others, even if the total number of others is 0.

Could someone say "the PSF does not have an opinion, use your good judgment
and hope for the best."   That seems as true as "The PSF says don't do it,
but they probably wont call the police if you ignore them."


On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk>wrote:

>
> On 20 Apr 2012, at 15:03, Stefan Drees wrote:
>
> > Hello dear pythonic list members,
> >
> > although mirroring of the python website is not "needed" anymore,
> > no one ever told the various contributors, that this is now a guaranteed
> "feature".
> >
> > So I think, if someone offers "the internet in a box" for institutions
> in countries, where access to the internet is close to impossible, then I
> do not see any differenence to mirroring (just a systemeatically outdated
> mirror).
> >
>
>
> The issue is that the PSF doesn't (necessarily) have the *right* to permit
> mirroring of the wiki - as no license to the PSF was ever required for
> contributions. For the main site the content is clearly marked as copyright
> the PSF (even if we didn't explicitly get contributors to license their
> contributions to the PSF as we do for code contributions).
>
> So for the wiki at least, and potentially for the rest of the site too, we
> aren't in a position to formally agree to mirroring (or other forms of
> redistribution) even if we really *want* people to be able to do this
> (which I think we do). As we are being asked for formal permission we have
> to give a formal answer.
>
> All IMO and I'm very happy to be overruled.
>
> Michael Foord
>
> > All the best,
> > Stefan.
> > Am 20.04.12 13:21, schrieb Michael Foord:
> >>
> >> On 19 Apr 2012, at 23:54, martin at v.loewis.de wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Zitat von Michael Foord<michael at voidspace.org.uk>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey all,
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the license of the python.org website content? The website
> has a copyright message but no license. We have a request on the webmaster
> alias for permission to distribute the website "to people lacking Internet
> access via the eGranary Digital Library".
> >>>>
> >>>> That sounds fine, but the license terms of the website, for purposes
> of redistribution, are not clear.
> >>>
> >>> We could ask a lawyer for a recommendation, but my personal feeling
> >>> is that copying the entire website is not ok. Many people have
> contributed
> >>> to it, in particular to the wiki and the mailing list archives, and
> many
> >>> might be assuming that their content will only appear on python.org.
> >>>
> >>> Certain parts of it are meant for redistribution; those should
> typically
> >>> also have an explicit license with them (I'm thinking about the
> documentation
> >>> in particular).
> >>>
> >>> If this position is agreeable, it would then be possible, but very
> tedious,
> >>> to go through the website and indicate what pages can be redistributed
> >>> and which one cannot. So unless somebody volunteers for this, the
> natural
> >>> consequence would be "if there is no explicit permission given to make
> >>> copies, one may not make copies".
> >>
> >> I think unfortunately you are correct. The non-profit in question looks
> like they are providing a potentially valuable service - so it would be
> *nice* to be able to license at least the core parts of the website for
> redistribution, but it seems like it may be an onerous task.
> >>
> >> The core parts of the website that are in our SVN repository, and built
> by our build scripts, we probably have full licensing control over. So it
> may be possible to explicitly license those parts for redistribution. The
> PSF would have to make a decision on this though.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>>
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