From techtonik at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 11:44:01 2012
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:44:01 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki: Better style for rst headers
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xJXUWLubeHWrrp-kt-eMhjrk=DWhQTmUUYjd0ieEaDntw@mail.gmail.com>

Can anybody fix the style to add bold to 2nd level rst headers - they are
almost indistinguishable http://wiki.python.org/moin/DesiredTrackerFeatures

Thanks.
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From sheep at sheep.art.pl  Thu Feb 16 20:11:48 2012
From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:11:48 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki: Better style for rst headers
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:44, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anybody fix the style to add bold to 2nd level rst headers - they are
> almost indistinguishable?http://wiki.python.org/moin/DesiredTrackerFeatures

I changed the level 3 and 4 headers to be more prominent. Thanks for
the feedback.

-- 
Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl

From techtonik at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 07:23:32 2012
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:23:32 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki: Better style for rst headers
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Radomir Dopieralski <sheep at sheep.art.pl>wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:44, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Can anybody fix the style to add bold to 2nd level rst headers - they are
> > almost indistinguishable
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/DesiredTrackerFeatures
>
> I changed the level 3 and 4 headers to be more prominent. Thanks for
> the feedback.
>

That's much better. Thanks. )
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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Feb 20 01:37:20 2012
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:37:20 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Links to last binary builds to download pages
Message-ID: <2550EB08-9991-47B9-A923-BB3322DB5B8A@voidspace.org.uk>

Hey folks,

When we do security only releases of Python we regularly get emails to webmaster at python.org asking where to find binary builds. If you want to find the most recent binary builds of Python 2.5 & 2.6, it used to involve clicking through quite a few links.

I've added links to the latest binary releases to the 2.6.7, 2.5.6 and 2.5.5 security release download pages. These are primarily for the benefit of Windows and Mac OS X users who wouldn't normally compile their own builds from source.

It would be helpful if release managers for security, source only, releases could include similar links in future.

All the best,

Michael

--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Feb 20 01:45:14 2012
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:45:14 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Website formatting problem
Message-ID: <C2CD4CEB-8008-4F24-BBB9-5E18882BC762@voidspace.org.uk>

Hello web team,

We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org:

	In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the "Release Schedule" box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5.

The user says this happens everywhere the "Release Schedule" box is used.

Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem?

All the best,

Michael Foord

--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 14:34:06 2012
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:34:06 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting problem)
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello web team,

I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have
experience with that?
-- 
anatoly t.


On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk>wrote:

> Hello web team,
>
> We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with
> python.org:
>
>        In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the "Release Schedule" box on the
> left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example)
> is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a
> screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's
> rebranded Firefox) 3.5.
>
> The user says this happens everywhere the "Release Schedule" box is used.
>
> Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume
> that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem?
>
> All the best,
>
> Michael Foord
>
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>
>
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing
> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
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From p at python.org  Mon Feb 20 14:47:29 2012
From: p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:47:29 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
 problem)
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120220134729.GH2187@state-of-mind.de>

* anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>:
> I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have
> experience with that?

I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with
http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles.

p at rick


> -- 
> anatoly t.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk>wrote:
> 
> > Hello web team,
> >
> > We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with
> > python.org:
> >
> >        In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the "Release Schedule" box on the
> > left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example)
> > is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a
> > screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's
> > rebranded Firefox) 3.5.
> >
> > The user says this happens everywhere the "Release Schedule" box is used.
> >
> > Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume
> > that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem?
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Michael Foord
> >
> > --
> > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> >
> >
> > May you do good and not evil
> > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> > May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> > -- the sqlite blessing
> > http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >

> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


-- 
Patrick Ben Koetter <patrick at python.org>
Python.org Postmaster Team


From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Feb 20 14:49:34 2012
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:49:34 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
	problem)
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4208CDE5-4035-4F37-B965-6AAAF079F546@voidspace.org.uk>


On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:34, anatoly techtonik wrote:

> Hello web team,
> 
> I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that?


Website design and layout is currently under review by the PSF, so we aren't about to make any substantial layout changes. The specific implementation of the python.org layout will be up to whoever we hire to do the redesign.

In the meantime it would be good to solve this specific problem.

Michael

> -- 
> anatoly t.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
> Hello web team,
> 
> We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org:
> 
>        In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the "Release Schedule" box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5.
> 
> The user says this happens everywhere the "Release Schedule" box is used.
> 
> Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem?
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Michael Foord
> 
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> 
> 
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing
> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 


--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 16:40:59 2012
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:40:59 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
	problem)
In-Reply-To: <4208CDE5-4035-4F37-B965-6AAAF079F546@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4208CDE5-4035-4F37-B965-6AAAF079F546@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xLWzvxGgTXJFhX9sb2P-3i-tEAFVtm82OQamk81=oiyyQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk>wrote:

>
> On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:34, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>
> > Hello web team,
> >
> > I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have
> experience with that?
>
>
> Website design and layout is currently under review by the PSF, so we
> aren't about to make any substantial layout changes. The specific
> implementation of the python.org layout will be up to whoever we hire to
> do the redesign.
>
> In the meantime it would be good to solve this specific problem.
>


The 'grid' is not a design, but a CSS framwork that is aimed to solve such
specific problems - http://960.gs/

P.S. Why PSF is not subscribed to this list if he is doing website design
review? Why not to make the process public? ;)
-- 
anatoly t.



> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord <
> fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
> > Hello web team,
> >
> > We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem
> with python.org:
> >
> >        In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the "Release Schedule" box on
> the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for
> example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I
> can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel
> (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5.
> >
> > The user says this happens everywhere the "Release Schedule" box is used.
> >
> > Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume
> that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem?
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Michael Foord
> >
> > --
> > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> >
> >
> > May you do good and not evil
> > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> > May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> > -- the sqlite blessing
> > http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >
>
>
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>
>
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing
> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 16:47:03 2012
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:47:03 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
	problem)
In-Reply-To: <20120220134729.GH2187@state-of-mind.de>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120220134729.GH2187@state-of-mind.de>
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter <p at python.org> wrote:

> * anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>:
> > I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have
> > experience with that?
>
> I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with
> http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles.
>

Nice. I was evaluating which framework to choose. Do you think it can solve
this particular problem with calendar on python.org or will just make the
matters worse?
-- 
anatoly t.



> p at rick
>
>
> > --
> > anatoly t.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord <
> fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk>wrote:
> >
> > > Hello web team,
> > >
> > > We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem
> with
> > > python.org:
> > >
> > >        In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the "Release Schedule" box on
> the
> > > left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for
> example)
> > > is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can
> send a
> > > screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's
> > > rebranded Firefox) 3.5.
> > >
> > > The user says this happens everywhere the "Release Schedule" box is
> used.
> > >
> > > Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume
> > > that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem?
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > Michael Foord
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> > >
> > >
> > > May you do good and not evil
> > > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> > > May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> > > -- the sqlite blessing
> > > http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> > >
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
> --
> Patrick Ben Koetter <patrick at python.org>
> Python.org Postmaster Team
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
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From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Feb 20 16:56:43 2012
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:56:43 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
	problem)
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xLWzvxGgTXJFhX9sb2P-3i-tEAFVtm82OQamk81=oiyyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4208CDE5-4035-4F37-B965-6AAAF079F546@voidspace.org.uk>
	<CAPkN8xLWzvxGgTXJFhX9sb2P-3i-tEAFVtm82OQamk81=oiyyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F8015EA-C7FF-4509-908C-DB73046D5933@voidspace.org.uk>


On 20 Feb 2012, at 15:40, anatoly techtonik wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:34, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> 
> > Hello web team,
> >
> > I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that?
> 
> 
> Website design and layout is currently under review by the PSF, so we aren't about to make any substantial layout changes. The specific implementation of the python.org layout will be up to whoever we hire to do the redesign.
> 
> In the meantime it would be good to solve this specific problem.
> 
> 
> The 'grid' is not a design, but a CSS framwork that is aimed to solve such specific problems - http://960.gs/


Site layout by css is *precisely* a design issue.

> 
> P.S. Why PSF is not subscribed to this list if he is doing website design review? Why not to make the process public? ;)

"The PSF" is a bunch of individuals, many of whom *are* subscribed to this list. The process will be public. That doesn't mean that all the minutiae will all be endlessly discussed, which is the (incorrect) definition of public that some people use. The call for tenders have not been worked out yet.

Michael

> -- 
> anatoly t.
> 
>  
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
> > Hello web team,
> >
> > We've had a report from a user to the webmaster email about a problem with python.org:
> >
> >        In Chromium 6 on Debian squeeze, the "Release Schedule" box on the left of the page http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/ (for example) is too large. It obscures some of the text on the left margin. I can send a screenshot if necessary. There is no problem with Iceweasel (Debian's rebranded Firefox) 3.5.
> >
> > The user says this happens everywhere the "Release Schedule" box is used.
> >
> > Anyone else using Debian Squeeze and able to try Chromium 6 (I assume that's the current version) and maybe diagnose or even fix the problem?
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Michael Foord
> >
> > --
> > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> >
> >
> > May you do good and not evil
> > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> > May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> > -- the sqlite blessing
> > http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >
> 
> 
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> 
> 
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing
> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 18:55:52 2012
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:55:52 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
	problem)
In-Reply-To: <8F8015EA-C7FF-4509-908C-DB73046D5933@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4208CDE5-4035-4F37-B965-6AAAF079F546@voidspace.org.uk>
	<CAPkN8xLWzvxGgTXJFhX9sb2P-3i-tEAFVtm82OQamk81=oiyyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F8015EA-C7FF-4509-908C-DB73046D5933@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+yrLZs_uOA+pdUtVtYcxOFmYVZJ+sOKC3JExfonVBcHA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Michael Foord
<fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On 20 Feb 2012, at 15:40, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:34, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>
>> > Hello web team,
>> >
>> > I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have experience with that?
>>
>>
>> Website design and layout is currently under review by the PSF, so we aren't about to make any substantial layout changes. The specific implementation of the python.org layout will be up to whoever we hire to do the redesign.
>>
>> In the meantime it would be good to solve this specific problem.
>>
>>
>> The 'grid' is not a design, but a CSS framwork that is aimed to solve such specific problems - http://960.gs/
>
>
> Site layout by css is *precisely* a design issue.

We may argue about that a lot, but in this context the point is that
visually you won't notice if grid is used or not, but it may eliminate
the bug. For a contrast - design as a visual perception is not "an art
of writing css".

>> P.S. Why PSF is not subscribed to this list if he is doing website design review? Why not to make the process public? ;)
>
> "The PSF" is a bunch of individuals, many of whom *are* subscribed to this list. The process will be public. That doesn't mean that all the minutiae will all be endlessly discussed, which is the (incorrect) definition of public that some people use. The call for tenders have not been worked out yet.

Why PSF can't crowd-source the process? There are many "designers" out
there, who can help. Is there a PEP, a FAQ or at least something on
it?
--
anatoly t.

From p at python.org  Mon Feb 20 21:08:57 2012
From: p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:08:57 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
 problem)
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xK3Cz7AD-M4hNAQ63ScB_dCH7KLbivp-z1i7dB+BncPjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120220134729.GH2187@state-of-mind.de>
	<CAPkN8xK3Cz7AD-M4hNAQ63ScB_dCH7KLbivp-z1i7dB+BncPjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120220200857.GD6426@state-of-mind.de>

* anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter <p at python.org> wrote:
> 
> > * anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>:
> > > I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have
> > > experience with that?
> >
> > I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with
> > http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles.
> >
> 
> Nice. I was evaluating which framework to choose. Do you think it can solve
> this particular problem with calendar on python.org or will just make the
> matters worse?

Without having looked at it closer I think using ANY framework will not solve
the problem. You'd end up barking up the wrong tree.

The problem seems to be located with current CSS settings a particular
browser, here Chrome.

The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build
everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website.

But if I were to code the CSS for the new python.org site I'd use a reset.css
in any case. It set the ground for equal CSS interpretation in all browsers.
That's something you can build from. Anything else will get you in trouble.

p at rick


-- 
Patrick Ben Koetter <patrick at python.org>
Python.org Postmaster Team


From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 21:20:50 2012
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:20:50 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
	problem)
In-Reply-To: <20120220200857.GD6426@state-of-mind.de>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120220134729.GH2187@state-of-mind.de>
	<CAPkN8xK3Cz7AD-M4hNAQ63ScB_dCH7KLbivp-z1i7dB+BncPjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120220200857.GD6426@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xK81uNeB3joUw1JHrtq8E2mbwRjyCbAyE8B=Hcc-PW24w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter <p at python.org> wrote:
> * anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>:
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter <p at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> > * anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>:
>> > > I wonder if grid based layout would fit python.org? Do anybody have
>> > > experience with that?
>> >
>> > I/we have some experience with http://960.gs/. Very nice also with
>> > http://adapt.960.gs/. Good for mobiles.
>> >
>>
>> Nice. I was evaluating which framework to choose. Do you think it can solve
>> this particular problem with calendar on python.org or will just make the
>> matters worse?
>
> Without having looked at it closer I think using ANY framework will not solve
> the problem. You'd end up barking up the wrong tree.
>
> The problem seems to be located with current CSS settings a particular
> browser, here Chrome.
>
> The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build
> everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website.
>
> But if I were to code the CSS for the new python.org site I'd use a reset.css
> in any case. It set the ground for equal CSS interpretation in all browsers.
> That's something you can build from. Anything else will get you in trouble.

Thanks. IMO http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/  should be added
to python.org regardless of PSF
redesign plans.
--
anatoly t.

From p at python.org  Mon Feb 20 21:27:30 2012
From: p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:27:30 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
 problem)
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xK81uNeB3joUw1JHrtq8E2mbwRjyCbAyE8B=Hcc-PW24w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120220134729.GH2187@state-of-mind.de>
	<CAPkN8xK3Cz7AD-M4hNAQ63ScB_dCH7KLbivp-z1i7dB+BncPjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120220200857.GD6426@state-of-mind.de>
	<CAPkN8xK81uNeB3joUw1JHrtq8E2mbwRjyCbAyE8B=Hcc-PW24w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120220202729.GE6426@state-of-mind.de>

* anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>:
> > Without having looked at it closer I think using ANY framework will not solve
> > the problem. You'd end up barking up the wrong tree.
> >
> > The problem seems to be located with current CSS settings a particular
> > browser, here Chrome.
> >
> > The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build
> > everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website.
> >
> > But if I were to code the CSS for the new python.org site I'd use a reset.css
> > in any case. It set the ground for equal CSS interpretation in all browsers.
> > That's something you can build from. Anything else will get you in trouble.
> 
> Thanks. IMO http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/  should be added
> to python.org regardless of PSF > redesign plans.

I advise against it in the current website state. It will likely worsen
everything and you'll end up 'fixing' issues that weren't there in the first.


-- 
Patrick Ben Koetter <patrick at python.org>
Python.org Postmaster Team


From Web at StevePiercy.com  Mon Feb 20 21:31:03 2012
From: Web at StevePiercy.com (Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:31:03 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
	problem)
In-Reply-To: <20120220200857.GD6426@state-of-mind.de>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1058i-DD90E280911D404EA403D2B0C0147324@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 2/20/12 at 9:08 PM, p at python.org (Patrick Ben Koetter) pronounced:

>The right way [tm] to handle this is to use a reset.css and then build
>everything from scratch. You don't want to do that with the current website.

There has been debate about reset.css vs. normalize.css.
http://necolas.github.com/normalize.css/

I have used both.  FWIW I now use normalize.css for new design 
work.  Actually it's a mashup of normalize.css, modernizr, 
compass, blueprint, stacklayout, jquery, jqueryui, and probably 
a few things I'm forgetting.

In any case, a discussion about which tool *is right for the 
job* is premature.  But a discussion of various tools and when 
they may be appropriate to use is helpful.

--steve

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Soquel, CA
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From brian at python.org  Mon Feb 20 22:24:43 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:24:43 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grid for python.org (Was: Website formatting
	problem)
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+yrLZs_uOA+pdUtVtYcxOFmYVZJ+sOKC3JExfonVBcHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xKZg9RSZhtxKRPbpFcg-jji0qA0muNTO=-eTiu9PcPo6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4208CDE5-4035-4F37-B965-6AAAF079F546@voidspace.org.uk>
	<CAPkN8xLWzvxGgTXJFhX9sb2P-3i-tEAFVtm82OQamk81=oiyyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F8015EA-C7FF-4509-908C-DB73046D5933@voidspace.org.uk>
	<CAPkN8x+yrLZs_uOA+pdUtVtYcxOFmYVZJ+sOKC3JExfonVBcHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqOhBsypoBpm7Fzug891C-BsKHNAybtpU5a3n-koF2qJg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:55, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Michael Foord
> <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>> "The PSF" is a bunch of individuals, many of whom *are* subscribed to this list. The process will be public. That doesn't mean that all the minutiae will all be endlessly discussed, which is the (incorrect) definition of public that some people use. The call for tenders have not been worked out yet.
>
> Why PSF can't crowd-source the process?

If you're going to respond, you must read the messages you are
responding to. Everything but the first line of the paragraph you
responded to answers this question. I have even answered your asking
of the same question at least one time before.

> There are many "designers" out there, who can help. Is there a PEP, a FAQ or at least something on it?

No. See the message you responded to but did not read, specifically
the last line.

From davidjensen at usa.net  Thu Feb 23 16:57:21 2012
From: davidjensen at usa.net (David Jensen)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:57:21 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyGotham II
Message-ID: <156qBwP5V3200S04.1330012641@web04.cms.usa.net>

Please put PyGotham II as taking place June 8-9. We expect 400 attendees.


David Jensen
Apartment 412
414 West 120th Street
New York, New York 10027
212-866-7094 
preferred:: cell: 646-282-6355
davidjensen at usa.net
 



From martin at v.loewis.de  Thu Feb 23 23:00:45 2012
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:00:45 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Donated infrastructure listing
Message-ID: <4F46B70D.4090501@v.loewis.de>

I started creating a listing of donated infrastructure, at

http://www.python.org/psf/infrastructure/

If I forgot something, please let me know (name, logo, and what
service/component was donated), or just go ahead and add it yourself.

Regards,
Martin

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Feb 24 02:34:09 2012
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:34:09 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyGotham II
In-Reply-To: <156qBwP5V3200S04.1330012641@web04.cms.usa.net>
References: <156qBwP5V3200S04.1330012641@web04.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <20120224013409.GA6171@panix.com>

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012, David Jensen wrote:
>
> Please put PyGotham II as taking place June 8-9. We expect 400 attendees.

If you're requesting the addition of a news item, you need to provide
more information.  Take a look at the examples currently up.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote 
programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.

From davidjensen at usa.net  Fri Feb 24 16:14:13 2012
From: davidjensen at usa.net (David Jensen)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:14:13 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] pydotorg-www Digest, Vol 41, Issue 7
Message-ID: <113qBXPNN1872S03.1330096453@web03.cms.usa.net>

Please update the current listing of PyGotham on the first page of python.org.


It currently says:

PyGotham

PyGotham will be held September 16-17, 2011.
Published: Tue, 6 September 2011, 08:00 +0200

Please change the date to June 8-9, 2012.

Thank you,


David Jensen

 



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> Please put PyGotham II as taking place June 8-9. We expect 400 attendees.
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> 
> David Jensen
> Apartment 412
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> New York, New York 10027
> 212-866-7094 
> preferred:: cell: 646-282-6355
> davidjensen at usa.net
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> To: pydotorg-www <pydotorg-www at python.org>, 	Public PSF Board List
> 	<psf-board-public at python.org>
> Subject: [pydotorg-www] Donated infrastructure listing
> Message-ID: <4F46B70D.4090501 at v.loewis.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
> 
> I started creating a listing of donated infrastructure, at
> 
> http://www.python.org/psf/infrastructure/
> 
> If I forgot something, please let me know (name, logo, and what
> service/component was donated), or just go ahead and add it yourself.
> 
> Regards,
> Martin
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:34:09 -0800
> From: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
> To: pydotorg-www at python.org
> Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] PyGotham II
> Message-ID: <20120224013409.GA6171 at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012, David Jensen wrote:
> >
> > Please put PyGotham II as taking place June 8-9. We expect 400 attendees.
> 
> If you're requesting the addition of a news item, you need to provide
> more information.  Take a look at the examples currently up.
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>        
http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> 
> Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote

> programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy
civilization.
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From avinash.singiri at gmail.com  Sat Feb 25 13:52:21 2012
From: avinash.singiri at gmail.com (avinash singiri)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:22:21 +0530
Subject: [pydotorg-www] email address
Message-ID: <CAEp=-_6=2CyBwLrocbLbv8fWQhUELhD0qbm0LFL0A55YMukPaA@mail.gmail.com>

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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Sun Feb 26 01:11:13 2012
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:11:13 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Suggestion for the Python website ...
References: <4F496ADF.10501@lps.ens.fr>
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Werner Krauth <krauth at lps.ens.fr>
> Subject: Suggestion for the Python website ...
> Date: 25 February 2012 23:12:31 GMT
> To: webmaster at python.org
> Cc: Emmanuelle Gouillart <emmanuelle.gouillart at normalesup.org>
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> Big fan of Python, I just checked out the link to "Physics" on the lower right of the official Python website python.org. This link points to something horribly old..
> 
> Let me remark that, today, Python is everywhere in Physics (and other sciences).
> 
> Last year, there was even a "Python in Physics" conference. It took place at Ecole Normale Superieure in Paris, and it was a great success. Here is the website
> 
> http://www.euroscipy.org/card/pyphy2011
> 
> It points to bunch of talks, all nicely linked to the site (thanks to Emmanuelle Gouillart). Maybe you would be interested in replacing the old link by this new one.
> 
> Thanks, Werner Krauth
> -- 
> Statistical Mechanics: Algorithms and Computations, by Werner Krauth
> http://www.smac.lps.ens.fr
> 
> Directeur
> Departement de Physique, Ecole Normale Superieure
> 
> Laboratoire de Physique Statistique, Ecole Normale Superieure
> 24, rue Lhomond, 75231 Paris Cedex 05, France
> Tel (+33) (0)1 44 32 25 50; Fax (+33) (0)1 44 32 34 33
> krauth at lps.ens.fr   http://www.lps.ens.fr/~krauth/
> 


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May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
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From patcam at python.org  Tue Feb 28 22:42:21 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:42:21 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- January 2012 -
	Please Post Online
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dJ6SjR+QyYFgw+yka-hxJxV_4hMbtBABUkCwLAjR76xTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Pydotorg:

Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online,
http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/  at the usual web
locations:
please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for
January 2012.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Pat

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PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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