From patcam at python.org Tue May 1 17:09:52 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 11:09:52 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?2012_Officers=2C_Directors=2C_and?= =?windows-1252?q?_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Add?= Message-ID: Hi Pydotorg Team: Please add the 2012 new PSF officers, directors, and members to the ?Membership Roster? webpage: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ * * *2012 ? Officers* * * President: Guido van Rossum Chairman: Steve Holden Vice Chair/Chair-Elect: Van Lindberg Secretary: Pat Campbell Treasurer: Kurt Kaiser Communications: Brian Curtin PyCon Chair: Jesse Noller Events Coordinator: Eva Jodlowska * * *2012 ? Directors* * * Brian Curtin Steve Holden Andrew Kuchling Marc-Andr? Lemburg Van Lindberg Martin v. L?wis Jessica McKellar David Mertz Doug Napoleone Jesse Noller Tim Peters * * *2012** New Sponsor Member:* * * Lincoln Loop, http://lincolnloop.com/, since April 2012, represented by Peter Baumgartner *2012** - New Nominated Members:* Tim Ansell Martin Aspeli Henrique Bastos Benoit Chesneau Jan Ulrich Hasecke Larry Hastings Stephen Hawkes Ewa Jodlowska Andreas Jung Noah Kantrowitz Peter Kropf Jannis Leidel Paul MdMillan Carl Meyer Luciano Ramalho Kenneth Reitz Armin Ronacher Michelle Rowley Tres Seaver Hanno Schlichting Armin Stro?-Radschinski Christian Theune Giles Thomas Nicholas H. Tollervey Wilfredo Sanchez Vega Chris Withers * * Thanks, Pat -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at voidspace.org.uk Wed May 2 12:20:56 2012 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:20:56 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating References: Message-ID: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk> Hey all, I assume that Tshepang is correct (see email below) and that Sun should be removed from the PSF member list. Michael Foord Begin forwarded message: > From: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe > Subject: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating > Date: 30 April 2012 13:12:54 GMT+01:00 > To: webmaster at python.org > > Hi, > > I see that Sun Microsystems is claimed to be a sponsor member > (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-members). It makes me > wonder what else needs updating. > -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From michael at voidspace.org.uk Wed May 2 13:46:56 2012 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:46:56 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating In-Reply-To: <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> References: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk> <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> Message-ID: <61BE8514-DD15-42A6-AC05-2B7A31E7D328@voidspace.org.uk> On 2 May 2012, at 12:43, Stefan Drees wrote: > Hey to all that might be interested in just my opinion on this, > > ... since I did not find a matching Oracle entry on that mentioned page (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-member), but of course Oracle somehow responding "as target website" behind the sponsor link, I personally would not suggest simply removing the entry but instead requesting an update on the status from the former representative Ted Leung i.e. if and how this membership has been transfered to Oracle. IIRC Sun never paid their membership dues *anyway* and should have been removed a while ago? I am fairly certain that Oracle are *not* paying sponsor members currently whatever the history. Michael > > All the bbest, > Stefan. > > Am 02.05.12 12:20, schrieb Michael Foord: >> Hey all, >> >> I assume that Tshepang is correct (see email below) and that Sun should be removed from the PSF member list. >> >> Michael Foord >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe >>> Subject: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating >>> Date: 30 April 2012 13:12:54 GMT+01:00 >>> To: webmaster at python.org >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I see that Sun Microsystems is claimed to be a sponsor member >>> (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-members). It makes me >>> wonder what else needs updating. >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ >> >> >> May you do good and not evil >> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others >> May you share freely, never taking more than you give. >> -- the sqlite blessing >> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From stefan at drees.name Wed May 2 13:43:07 2012 From: stefan at drees.name (Stefan Drees) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 13:43:07 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating In-Reply-To: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk> References: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> Hey to all that might be interested in just my opinion on this, ... since I did not find a matching Oracle entry on that mentioned page (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-member), but of course Oracle somehow responding "as target website" behind the sponsor link, I personally would not suggest simply removing the entry but instead requesting an update on the status from the former representative Ted Leung i.e. if and how this membership has been transfered to Oracle. All the bbest, Stefan. Am 02.05.12 12:20, schrieb Michael Foord: > Hey all, > > I assume that Tshepang is correct (see email below) and that Sun should be removed from the PSF member list. > > Michael Foord > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe >> Subject: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating >> Date: 30 April 2012 13:12:54 GMT+01:00 >> To: webmaster at python.org >> >> Hi, >> >> I see that Sun Microsystems is claimed to be a sponsor member >> (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-members). It makes me >> wonder what else needs updating. >> > > > -- > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ > > > May you do good and not evil > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others > May you share freely, never taking more than you give. > -- the sqlite blessing > http://www.sqlite.org/different.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2310 bytes Desc: S/MIME Kryptografische Unterschrift URL: From amk at amk.ca Wed May 2 16:05:14 2012 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:05:14 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating In-Reply-To: <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> References: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk> <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> Message-ID: <20120502140514.GA49020@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 01:43:07PM +0200, Stefan Drees wrote: > sponsor link, I personally would not suggest simply removing the > entry but instead requesting an update on the status from the former > representative Ted Leung i.e. if and how this membership has been > transfered to Oracle. According to LinkedIn, Ted Leung is now working for Walt Disney, not Oracle. So if Sun did in fact never pay their membership, we should just remove them from the list. --amk From steve at holdenweb.com Wed May 2 16:27:04 2012 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 07:27:04 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating In-Reply-To: <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> References: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk> <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> Message-ID: Not a bad idea, except that Ted's been working for Disney for at least a couple of years now. We were halfway to including Oracle as a sponsor at PyCon, but then they tried to pull a fancy "special terms and conditions" stunt late in the game and Jesse, having no time for stunts, declined to accept them as a sponsor. Overall we want as many sponsors as we can get, but Oracle don't really seem to be that much of a team player, so without evidence of a revised attitude I'd be inclined to just let them go. A relationship with Oracle seems too much like hard work. regards Steve On May 2, 2012, at 4:43 AM, Stefan Drees wrote: > Hey to all that might be interested in just my opinion on this, > > ... since I did not find a matching Oracle entry on that mentioned page (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-member), but of course Oracle somehow responding "as target website" behind the sponsor link, I personally would not suggest simply removing the entry but instead requesting an update on the status from the former representative Ted Leung i.e. if and how this membership has been transfered to Oracle. > > All the bbest, > Stefan. > > Am 02.05.12 12:20, schrieb Michael Foord: >> Hey all, >> >> I assume that Tshepang is correct (see email below) and that Sun should be removed from the PSF member list. >> >> Michael Foord >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe >>> Subject: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating >>> Date: 30 April 2012 13:12:54 GMT+01:00 >>> To: webmaster at python.org >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I see that Sun Microsystems is claimed to be a sponsor member >>> (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-members). It makes me >>> wonder what else needs updating. >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ >> >> >> May you do good and not evil >> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others >> May you share freely, never taking more than you give. >> -- the sqlite blessing >> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Members mailing list > PSF-Members at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-members > PSF home page (http://www.python.org/psf/) > PSF membership FAQ (http://www.python.org/psf/membership/) > PSF members' wiki (http://wiki.python.org/psf/) -- Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/ Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/ Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/ Current event: Open Django East May 18-19: http://opendjango.com/east/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to > see Oracle supporting the PSF and would be happy to develop some new > relationships from the inside. The company is so big that we may just > be talking to the wrong people; my group was certainly happy to spend > money on getting folks to PyCon. Jessica: I'll be very happy if you can mend fences with Oracle. At least you can go in knowing that our experiences haven't been particularly happy so far ... regards Steve -- Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/ Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/ Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/ Current event: Open Django East May 18-19: http://opendjango.com/east/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jessica.mckellar at gmail.com Wed May 2 16:36:50 2012 From: jessica.mckellar at gmail.com (Jessica McKellar) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:36:50 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating In-Reply-To: References: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk> <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> Message-ID: > Overall we want as many sponsors as we can get, but Oracle don't really seem > to be that much of a team player, so without evidence of a revised attitude > I'd be inclined to just let them go. A relationship with Oracle seems too > much like hard work. Jesse, I'd be interested in a brain dump off-list on our Oracle contacts and what the relationship has been like so far. I work at Oracle, in the Linux and Virtualization group. I'd like to see Oracle supporting the PSF and would be happy to develop some new relationships from the inside. The company is so big that we may just be talking to the wrong people; my group was certainly happy to spend money on getting folks to PyCon. -Jessica -- Jessica McKellar http://jesstess.com From patcam at python.org Wed May 2 17:01:26 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:01:26 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating In-Reply-To: References: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk> <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name> Message-ID: Hi Jessica: According to my PSF membership records, we have a current sponsor status for Oracle formerly known as Sun Micro Systems as "emeritus" type of PSF sponsor membership which basically means that the membership standing is inactive, however, it can be reactivated to "active" if the membership fees are paid. If the Oracle would like to change their membership standing back to active, please let us know. Thanks, Pat On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Jessica McKellar < jessica.mckellar at gmail.com> wrote: > > Overall we want as many sponsors as we can get, but Oracle don't really > seem > > to be that much of a team player, so without evidence of a revised > attitude > > I'd be inclined to just let them go. A relationship with Oracle seems too > > much like hard work. > > Jesse, I'd be interested in a brain dump off-list on our Oracle > contacts and what the relationship has been like so far. > > I work at Oracle, in the Linux and Virtualization group. I'd like to > see Oracle supporting the PSF and would be happy to develop some new > relationships from the inside. The company is so big that we may just > be talking to the wrong people; my group was certainly happy to spend > money on getting folks to PyCon. > > -Jessica > > -- > Jessica McKellar > http://jesstess.com > _______________________________________________ > PSF-Members mailing list > PSF-Members at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-members > PSF home page (http://www.python.org/psf/) > PSF membership FAQ (http://www.python.org/psf/membership/) > PSF members' wiki (http://wiki.python.org/psf/) > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at oddbird.net Thu May 3 19:17:53 2012 From: carl at oddbird.net (Carl Meyer) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 11:17:53 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] intro Message-ID: <4FA2BDC1.2080507@oddbird.net> Hi all, Michael Foord mentioned on python-dev that new pydotorg-www subscribers should introduce themselves. I recently raised a couple website issues I noticed and Martin invited me to help fix things myself, so here I am :-) Can't promise any great investment of time, but I'm happy to fix small things as I notice them. Carl From rosuav at gmail.com Thu May 3 23:47:07 2012 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:47:07 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Intro [copyeditor] Message-ID: Joining the mini-influx instigated by Michael Foord, I'm a copyeditor on Australian time who does small, non-controversial edits to things like grammar, typos, formatting, and so on. Like the previous poster, can't guarantee any particular time investment at the moment, but hope to help out where needed. ChrisA From rosuav at gmail.com Fri May 4 12:38:06 2012 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:38:06 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Using the python.org www repository with git Message-ID: Has anyone used git-svn with the pydotorg repository? I'm having a bit of trouble cloning the repository (aka checking it out); am hoping I don't have to hunt down a Windows svn client. $ git svn clone -s svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org pywww Initialized empty Git repository in c:/pywww/.git/ Using higher level of URL: svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org => svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org W: Ignoring error from SVN, path probably does not exist: (160013): Filesystem has no item: File not found: revision 100, path '/trunk/beta.python.org' W: Do not be alarmed at the above message git-svn is just searching aggressively for old history. This may take a while on large repositories Checked through r8600 At this point it stalled for a long time (not sure how long, but long enough that I was wondering if it had died completely - probably ten minutes or more). Then after a while it silently gave me back a prompt. However, the new pywww directory has about 25KB in it, which is not nearly enough for even current status, much less history. $ git status # On branch master # # Initial commit # nothing to commit (create/copy files and use "git add" to track) $ git log fatal: bad default revision 'HEAD' Have I done something hopelessly wrong? If nobody knows what's going on, I'll switch to a "real" Subversion client, but it would be more convenient to work this way. I'm currently re-cloning the repository without the -s (standard setup) option, to see if that makes any difference. Chris Angelico From patcam at python.org Fri May 4 17:33:35 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:33:35 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?2nd_Request_2012_Officers=2C_Dire?= =?windows-1252?q?ctors=2C_and_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Post?= Message-ID: Hi Luciano: Please see the request already placed with the pydotorg team to have the "membership roster" webpage updated. Please see email below. However, please feel free to contact the pydotorg team directly. Thank-you for offering the extra hand!! Pat On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hi Pydotorg Team: > > > > Please add the 2012 new PSF officers, directors, and members to the > ?Membership Roster? webpage: > > > > http://www.python.org/psf/members/ > > > > * * > > *2012 ? Officers* > > * * > > President: Guido van Rossum > > Chairman: Steve Holden > > Vice Chair/Chair-Elect: Van Lindberg > > Secretary: Pat Campbell > > Treasurer: Kurt Kaiser > > Communications: Brian Curtin > > PyCon Chair: Jesse Noller > > Events Coordinator: Eva Jodlowska > > * * > > *2012 ? Directors* > > * * > > Brian Curtin > > Steve Holden > > Andrew Kuchling > > Marc-Andr? Lemburg > > Van Lindberg > > Martin v. L?wis > > Jessica McKellar > > David Mertz > > Doug Napoleone > > Jesse Noller > > Tim Peters > > * * > > *2012** New Sponsor Member:* > > * * > > Lincoln Loop, http://lincolnloop.com/, since April 2012, represented > by Peter Baumgartner > > > > *2012** - New Nominated Members:* > > > > Tim Ansell > > Martin Aspeli > > Henrique Bastos > > Benoit Chesneau > > Jan Ulrich Hasecke > > > > Larry Hastings > > Stephen Hawkes > > Ewa Jodlowska > > Andreas Jung > > Noah Kantrowitz > > > > Peter Kropf > > Jannis Leidel > > Paul MdMillan > > Carl Meyer > > Luciano Ramalho > > > > Kenneth Reitz > > Armin Ronacher > > Michelle Rowley > > Tres Seaver > > Hanno Schlichting > > > > Armin Stro?-Radschinski > > Christian Theune > > Giles Thomas > > Nicholas H. Tollervey > > Wilfredo Sanchez Vega > > > > Chris Withers > > * * > > Thanks, > > Pat > > > > > -- > Pat Campbell > PSF Administrator/Secretary > patcam at python.org > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patcam at python.org Fri May 4 17:35:49 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:35:49 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?2nd_Request_2012_Officers=2C_Dire?= =?windows-1252?q?ctors=2C_and_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Post?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hi Luciano: > > Please see the request already placed with the pydotorg team to > have the "membership roster" webpage updated. > > Please see email below. > > However, please feel free to contact the pydotorg team directly. > > Thank-you for offering the extra hand!! > Pat > > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > >> Hi Pydotorg Team: >> >> >> >> Please add the 2012 new PSF officers, directors, and members to the >> ?Membership Roster? webpage: >> >> >> >> http://www.python.org/psf/members/ >> >> >> >> * * >> >> *2012 ? Officers* >> >> * * >> >> President: Guido van Rossum >> >> Chairman: Steve Holden >> >> Vice Chair/Chair-Elect: Van Lindberg >> >> Secretary: Pat Campbell >> >> Treasurer: Kurt Kaiser >> >> Communications: Brian Curtin >> >> PyCon Chair: Jesse Noller >> >> Events Coordinator: Eva Jodlowska >> >> * * >> >> *2012 ? Directors* >> >> * * >> >> Brian Curtin >> >> Steve Holden >> >> Andrew Kuchling >> >> Marc-Andr? Lemburg >> >> Van Lindberg >> >> Martin v. L?wis >> >> Jessica McKellar >> >> David Mertz >> >> Doug Napoleone >> >> Jesse Noller >> >> Tim Peters >> >> * * >> >> *2012** New Sponsor Member:* >> >> * * >> >> Lincoln Loop, http://lincolnloop.com/, since April 2012, represented >> by Peter Baumgartner >> >> >> >> *2012** - New Nominated Members:* >> >> >> >> Tim Ansell >> >> Martin Aspeli >> >> Henrique Bastos >> >> Benoit Chesneau >> >> Jan Ulrich Hasecke >> >> >> >> Larry Hastings >> >> Stephen Hawkes >> >> Ewa Jodlowska >> >> Andreas Jung >> >> Noah Kantrowitz >> >> >> >> Peter Kropf >> >> Jannis Leidel >> >> Paul MdMillan >> >> Carl Meyer >> >> Luciano Ramalho >> >> >> >> Kenneth Reitz >> >> Armin Ronacher >> >> Michelle Rowley >> >> Tres Seaver >> >> Hanno Schlichting >> >> >> >> Armin Stro?-Radschinski >> >> Christian Theune >> >> Giles Thomas >> >> Nicholas H. 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URL: From brian at python.org Fri May 4 18:47:27 2012 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:47:27 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?2nd_Request_2012_Officers=2C_Dire?= =?windows-1252?q?ctors=2C_and_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Post?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hi Luciano: > > Please see the request already placed with the pydotorg team to > have the "membership roster" webpage updated. > > Please see email below. > > However, please feel free to contact the pydotorg team directly. > > Thank-you for offering the extra hand!! Officers updated, directors updated (and alphabetized like the other lists), Lincoln Loop added, all new members added in. http://www.python.org/psf/members/ From patcam at python.org Fri May 4 19:06:22 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?2nd_Request_2012_Officers=2C_Dire?= =?windows-1252?q?ctors=2C_and_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Post?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank-you Brian for the quick turnaround. Pat On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > Hi Luciano: > > > > Please see the request already placed with the pydotorg team to > > have the "membership roster" webpage updated. > > > > Please see email below. > > > > However, please feel free to contact the pydotorg team directly. > > > > Thank-you for offering the extra hand!! > > Officers updated, directors updated (and alphabetized like the other > lists), Lincoln Loop added, all new members added in. > > http://www.python.org/psf/members/ > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at python.org Fri May 4 19:27:51 2012 From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 18:27:51 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Using the python.org www repository with git In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA41197.1070006@python.org> Hi Chris, Never tried, but if you get a successful clone I'd be interested in a copy! cheers, (another) Chris On 04/05/2012 11:38, Chris Angelico wrote: > Has anyone used git-svn with the pydotorg repository? I'm having a bit > of trouble cloning the repository (aka checking it out); am hoping I > don't have to hunt down a Windows svn client. > > $ git svn clone -s svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org pywww > Initialized empty Git repository in c:/pywww/.git/ > Using higher level of URL: > svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org => > svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org > W: Ignoring error from SVN, path probably does not exist: (160013): > Filesystem has no item: File not found: revision 100, path > '/trunk/beta.python.org' > W: Do not be alarmed at the above message git-svn is just searching > aggressively for old history. > This may take a while on large repositories > Checked through r8600 > > At this point it stalled for a long time (not sure how long, but long > enough that I was wondering if it had died completely - probably ten > minutes or more). Then after a while it silently gave me back a > prompt. However, the new pywww directory has about 25KB in it, which > is not nearly enough for even current status, much less history. > > $ git status > # On branch master > # > # Initial commit > # > nothing to commit (create/copy files and use "git add" to track) > > $ git log > fatal: bad default revision 'HEAD' > > Have I done something hopelessly wrong? If nobody knows what's going > on, I'll switch to a "real" Subversion client, but it would be more > convenient to work this way. > > I'm currently re-cloning the repository without the -s (standard > setup) option, to see if that makes any difference. > > Chris Angelico > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. > For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From rosuav at gmail.com Sat May 5 01:50:39 2012 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:50:39 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Using the python.org www repository with git In-Reply-To: <4FA41197.1070006@python.org> References: <4FA41197.1070006@python.org> Message-ID: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Chris Withers wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Never tried, but if you get a successful clone I'd be interested in a copy! I may need to abandon this. The second clone attempt ran for hours and hours, more successfully than the original, but still eventually died. > cheers, > > (another) Chris Yes, there are a lot of geeky Chrises! I'm of the opinion that it's not a coincidence. My brother Michael has noted that there are a lot of other Michaels who trainspot, too. People fit their names. ChrisA From rosuav at gmail.com Sun May 6 08:58:39 2012 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:58:39 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Using the python.org www repository with git In-Reply-To: <4FA41197.1070006@python.org> References: <4FA41197.1070006@python.org> Message-ID: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Chris Withers wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Never tried, but if you get a successful clone I'd be interested in a copy! Alas, the problem has bested me. I gave in, installed TortoiseSVN, and made a Subversion checkout instead. Ah well. It's entirely possible that this is because my internet connection isn't perfectly stable (I use the glitchy one for personal jobs to keep the more reliable one unclogged for my servers); perhaps someone who can keep a session active for six hours or more unglitched would be able to do this. ChrisA From amk at amk.ca Wed May 9 00:10:17 2012 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:10:17 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP Message-ID: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> Jesse Noller and I have assembled a final draft of the RFP for the python.org site redesign, as discussed on the psf-redesign list last November. This draft contains many of the suggestions made in that discussion. Thanks for all the feedback! http://readthedocs.org/docs/pythonorg-redesign/en/latest/ Please take a look; if there are any questions or comments, please air them. Jesse is busy with PyCon, so I will now be handling this redesign effort (e.g. editing of this proposal, managing bids, answering questions). My thanks to Jesse for all of his work on this project. The next step will be for the PSF board to vote on whether to publish the RFP, depending on whether the Board is satisfied with its text. The next board meeting is on May 21st. Once accepted, the RFP will be officially published and the PSF will begin soliciting bids over the next two months. Assuming the RFP is accepted on May 21st, that makes the deadline for bids July 21st. Andrew M. Kuchling Director, PSF amk at amk.ca From aahz at pythoncraft.com Wed May 9 07:37:06 2012 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:37:06 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> Message-ID: <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com> On Tue, May 08, 2012, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > http://readthedocs.org/docs/pythonorg-redesign/en/latest/ > > Please take a look; if there are any questions or comments, please air > them. I'll try taking a more detailed look later, but unless I'm missing something, a key issue is still not addressed: working with the existing site maintainers. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ import antigravity From michael at voidspace.org.uk Wed May 9 13:20:22 2012 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:20:22 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> Message-ID: On 8 May 2012, at 23:10, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > Jesse Noller and I have assembled a final draft of the RFP for the > python.org site redesign, as discussed on the psf-redesign list last > November. This draft contains many of the suggestions made in that > discussion. Thanks for all the feedback! > > http://readthedocs.org/docs/pythonorg-redesign/en/latest/ > > Please take a look; if there are any questions or comments, please air > them. From a preliminary read through it looks good - I like the requirement for offline editing. One of the big problems we have right now is the complexity of the toolchain and the work required to get new contributors. I'm really hoping the new system solves this problem. The combined capability of through the web edits and offline editing should make that easier. I might have some suggestions for making this (simplicity of administering changes, adding new contributors, and toolchain simplicity for offline editing) more explicit in the rfp. All the best, Michael > > Jesse is busy with PyCon, so I will now be handling this redesign > effort (e.g. editing of this proposal, managing bids, answering > questions). My thanks to Jesse for all of his work on this project. > > The next step will be for the PSF board to vote on whether to publish > the RFP, depending on whether the Board is satisfied with its text. > The next board meeting is on May 21st. > > Once accepted, the RFP will be officially published and the PSF will > begin soliciting bids over the next two months. Assuming the RFP is > accepted on May 21st, that makes the deadline for bids July 21st. > > > Andrew M. Kuchling > Director, PSF > amk at amk.ca > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From patcam at python.org Wed May 9 16:51:11 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:51:11 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- March 2012 - Please Post Online Message-ID: Hello Pydotorg: Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ at the usual web locations: please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for March 2012. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks, Pat -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- Title: 2012-03-26 PSF Board Meeting Minutes Encoding: utf-8 Author: psf at python.org Content-Type: text/x-rst .. declare custom role for action items: .. role:: action .. class:: minutes-title | The Python Software Foundation | Minutes of a Regular Meeting of the Board of Directors | | March 26, 2012 | | A regular meeting of the Python Software Foundation ("PSF") Board of Directors was held over Internet Relay Chat beginning at 16:00 UTC, 26 March 2012. Steve Holden presided at the meeting. Pat Campbell prepared the minutes. All votes are reported in the form "*Y-N-A*" (*in favor ??? opposed ??? abstentions*; e.g. "5-1-2" means "5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 2 abstentions"). .. sectnum:: .. contents:: Attendance ========== The following members of the Board of Directors (8 of ll) were present at the meeting: Steve Holden, Marc-Andre Lemburg, Martin von L?wis, David Mertz Jesse Noller, Tim Peters, Jeff Rush [arrived at 12:06 & left at 12:13], and Gloria Willadsen [arrived at 12:12 & left at 12:21]. Also in attendance were Kurt Kaiser (Treasurer) and Pat Campbell (Secretary/Administrator). Minutes of Past Meetings ======================== The 27 February 2012 Board meeting minutes were voted on and approved. **RESOLVED**, that the minutes at http://mail.python.org/mailman/private /psf-board/attachments/20120310/15bff493/attachment-0001.txt represent a fair and accurate record of the February meeting. Approved, 5-0-1. Votes Taken Between Meetings ============================= There was one (1) vote taken between meetings. PSF Sponsor Membership Application from Lincoln Loop ---------------------------------------------------- **RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop to the membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF. Approved via email vote on February 29, 2012, 8-0-0. Treasurer Report ================ The monthly Treasurer's Report was provided to Board members by K. Kaiser prior to the Board meeting and produced from Quickbooks Online. Here is an exerpt from the treasurer's report on a few of the activities the treasurer has been focused on: For the month of March 2012, the treasurer provided a sumation of the financial activities by saying: Our assets were up by 290K in February, reflecting the payments for PyCon registration and sponsorship. This was matched by a similar increase in liability. The next month will continue to be very busy financially, but the P&L won't show much change until we recognize the results of PyCon 2012. At that point (triggered by settling accounts with the convention center and the hotels) the accrued expense and revenue will move to the P&L and our assets and liabilities will return to normal levels. He reported on the revenue and expense below: Revenue: In the month of February, YTD income was up by 87K, primarily due to invoicing our PSF Sponsors for 2012 dues. Total equity rose to 476K. Donations for the month were $1811. Expense: Outside Services: Wendroff 1,150 The treasurer goes on to say: AR is up by 6K due to PyCon 2012 Sponsor and PSF Sponsor invoicing and collection activity.. Concerning the Honorary Associate Member Program (HAM), he said: Associate Member program: At PyCon, the Chairman and I made sufficient progress on the Associate Member website (psfmember.org) to open it for enrollment. Useful commments were received, resulting in improvements. I expect this process to continue over the next few months. We still need to link psfmember.org to python.org and make the community aware of the Associate Member opportunity. Kurt concluded his report with a list of financial business items he will be focused on, he said: My focus is on PyCon wrapup, AR/AP reduction, the Associate program, and the increased activity and interest on the fiscal sponsorship front. Progress Reports ================ The following board reports were submitted to the board mailing list one week prior to this month's meeting. Please see a summary of each board report listed below and a possible board discussion at the end of the report(s): Communication Status -------------------- D. Hellmann, Communication Officer, reported on continued activities from last month. He said: 1. Send announcement email about the blog to various mailing lists (c.l.py, c.l.py.announce, etc.). Brian is planning an email campaign with the Outreach & Education committee, and the PSF blog may be included in the resources discussed there. Doug also reported on the new activities for the month. He reported: 1. None He reported the following information on the planned activities for next month: 1. Via Steve Holden, we have some information to put together a story about Python's use in schools from David Coopersmith along with a student of his named Isaac. The same story involves some praise for the trademark committee, which may or may not go into the same post. 2. Community service award posts for Audrey Roy and Carl Trachte. 3. Post information about this summer's PyGames contest for students (http://www.summerpygames.org/). As far as the ongoing projects for the month are concerned, he reported: 1. Brian Curtin is working on a post about the video equipment purchased by the PSF and how it has been used to record conference talks and other events. 2. Recruiting other people to help write for the blog. 3. We are wrapping up the transition plan so Brian Curtin can take over as Communications Director around the time of the next Board elections this spring. For tabled activities, D. Hellmann said: 1. PyCon video equipment loan/rental program post There was some discussion of offering the PyCon video equipment to PUGs for their meetings, but the mechanism to do it isn't in place, yet. Marketing Material ------------------ M.A.Lemburg, Marketing Material Project Manager, provided a summary of his work. He said: The project is lead by Marc-Andr? Lemburg who is in contact with the people behind the Plone brochure created by the German Zope User Group (DZUG): Jan Ulrich Hasecke and Armin Stro?-Radschinski. We started working on the concept a few weeks after World Plone Day in April 2010 and had several meetings and conference calls to take the idea forward. For more details, please see the brochure support site at: http://brochure.getpython.info/learn-more Marc-Andr? also reported on the progress of his project when he said: For PyCon US, we created a small teaser version of the brochure to get the attention of potential sponsors. The teaser was distributed to all PyCon US attendees in the conference bag. Unfortunately, no one of our team was present at PyCon US, but we had contact scouts available at the conference: http://brochure.getpython.info/newsletter/pycon-us-2012-special Here's the link to the PDF of the teaser, in case you missed it: http://brochure.getpython.info/media/flyer/python-brochure-pycon-us- 2012-teaser-booklet/view Armin has setup a complete web shop solution to make it easy for sponsors to sign up: http://brochure.getpython.info/mediadata We have now finished the layout and texts for most of the brochure and are actively looking for sponsors. Sponsor Options --------------- There are 8 half-page ads available in the brochure and we want to have 30-40 reference sponsor entries as well. The reference sponsor entries are meant for companies providing Python services, have a fixed layout and provide a great value for money: the companies will not only be listed in 10.000+ copies of the brochure, but they will also each get a box of around 120 copies of the brochure. New Option: Educational Sponsorhip ---------------------------------- We have also added a new sponsor option: the education sponsorship. This works much like the subscription sponsorship where a company can order extra brochure copies at very reasonable prices. The difference is that companies can order extra copies for educational institutions of their choice or of the PSF's choice. The bill will be paid by the company and the boxes will go straight to the institution. Please Help find Sponsors ------------------------- We are trying to get the brochure ready in time for EuroPython 2012 in July this year, but whether that works out depends entirely on finding enough sponsors in time to refinance the brochure production costs. The deadline for this is June 1st. If you know possible sponsors or are interested in sponsoring the brochure yourself, please check the available sponsorship plans we have available: http://brochure.getpython.info/sponsorship We will announce the call for sponsors on the usual lists, feeds and our website, once we have the credit card system setup. M.A Lemberg reported on the current issues the project is faced with. He said: If you know of interesting projects or companies using Python to great things, please contact us and consider signing up as contact scout to provide on-site help at conferences or other events: http://brochure.getpython.info/signup/contact-scout-signup and, if you're interested in the project, please consider signing up to our newsletter: http://brochure.getpython.info/ Thanks ! As far as the future plans for this project are concerned, he reported: If the project goes well, we'll follow up with a second edition of the brochure, Python flyers using material extracted from the brochure, translated versions of the brochure and also consider creating marketing material more targeted at specific user groups or application fields. In the long run, we'd also like to take the idea of producing marketing material beyond printed material and develop booth setups, giveaways, CDs, etc. to support conference organizers and local user groups wishing to promote Python at their events. Moving PyPI to Amazon CloudFront -------------------------------- The project leader, M.A. Lemburg, Moving PyPI to Amazon CloudFront, reported on progress for the month: "The project is currently on hold, since the team members don't have time to put into this. I'm beginning to believe that doing a sprint of sorts would likely be the best way to move this forward, but I currently don't have more cycles to spare (the brochure project has turned out to be very work intense), so can't lead such an effort at the moment." In terms of having any issues surrounding his project, M. A. Lemburg reported no issues except one: he said, he just does not have enough time to devote to his Moving PyPI to Amazon CloudFront project. M. A. Lemburg also reported on the future plans for this project: "Check to see whether a trigger based approach to S3 syncing wouldn't be easier to implement right from the start." Sprint Committee ---------------- J. Noller &/or B. Curtin, Sprint Committee Chair, reported that there were no issues or blockages surrounding any sprint activities for the month. As far as the continued activities from last month, he reported: 1. Wrapping up the ledger project. All payments and expenses are currently listed in a Google Spreadsheet, and we had previously discussed adding a front-end (Google Form) for easier tracking of receipts. On his report of the new activities for the month, He reported: The PyCon poster, split between Sprints and Outreach & Education, went pretty well for both groups. It was a reminder to some, and an introduction to most - either way, people seemed interested. No new sprint funding requests were received in this period. In terms of the new activities planned for next month. He wrote: Begin another email and blog campaign to raise awareness of the group. The poster we ran at PyCon got fairly good traffic and I handed out about 70 business cards that we had made. A few people showed immediate interest, so hopefully another push in the coming month brings some groups to action. As far as the ongoing projects for this committee, He said: Wrapping up of the ledger project. Outreach and Education Committee -------------------------------- D. Mertz, Outreach and Education Committee Chair, reported on the issues & blockages this committee was faced with for the month. - As a preface, I apologize for being so remiss in generating reports for the Outreach and Education Committee during the last months. The committee itself has been rather inactive since the November 2011 grant of $3300 to Boston Python Workshop. The grant of $1200 to PyLadies to subsidize some attendance at PyCon was funded through the PyCon budget, but was also somewhat the result of discussion by O&E (but all thanks and praise to Jesse for actually doing the specifics). However, he also provided a list of planned activities. He wrote: - At the Pycon US conference, I was able to arrange a very productive in-person meeting of many of the O&E members, as well as some additional observers who are likely to participate as members or advisors to the committee. I believe we had 13 attendees to that meeting, and made much more concrete plans for 2012. Goals for 2012 and upshots of March meeting - Create a website to coordinate local user group and education events. A logical place to park such a site might be community.python.org (maybe events.python.org or pythoncommunity.org), with links to that subdomain from the home page of python.org. ** Use clever geolocation on mentioned website to point user to "events in your local area." (check out integration with grical.org) ** Provide means (an interface on the site itself; an ability to upload calendars or link to external ones; etc.) for local user group admins to indicate events. Getting meetup.com events is probably pretty easy ** At the sprints at PyCon, Audrey created a basic template, and Tarek created a bit more fleshed out code for a website of this sort. It should be hosted at a temporary server "real soon now." ** Brian Curtin has commit access to python.org, so can make minimal necessary changes to link python.org to such a community/outreach site. ** Move the existing python.org community information to new site. ** Form for requesting reimbursements of meetup.com fees ** Form for adding your user group event information (RSS feed) ** Map showing user group locations and upcoming events? ** Jessica has a blog post queued for pyfound on this, + will send mail to UG organizers who asked - Revive the group-organizers mailing list. ** Contact local user groups to encourage their participation in the list. ** Get someone from O&E to be an admin on that list. - Add user group material to pythonguide.org - Make it really obvious on the python.org front page that community is important. - What could happen to make http://python.org/community/ more welcoming / useful - Need to propose a budget for this year - Summarize what we've done so far in a report to the PSF at large - Do quarterly reports to the PSF (Jessica will do this) - Speaker exchange program ** This idea exists somewhere (people added themselves to a list saying they were happy to speak), so let's revive it. - Revisit the user group organizer survey for more ideas - What do user groups need money for: ** food ** space ** travel for speakers - List of goals: ** Get 7 meetup.com fees covered ** Get 5 stories about us helping user groups get good speakers (doesn't have to involve spending money) ** 10 grants for enabling 10 different user groups to achieve their goals (diversity and outreach-focused) ** Grants for kids groups - Observation: "the less specific you are, the fewer grants you get" - Getting people from python-dev committed to GSoC (Brian will pull in pythonmentors.com) Google Summer of Code --------------------- A. Riley, Google Summer of Code (GSoC), reported on the issues and/or blockages this program may be faced with. He said: None, smooth sailing so far. Arc also reported on the new activities for the month when he wrote: 1. Applied and was accepted for Google Summer of Code 2012. 2. Signing up mentors and umbrella orgs. I'm speaking with each mentor personally this year to ensure we have clear lines of communication re: vacations, emergencies, etc. A. Riley reported on the planned activities for next month. He said: 1. Signing up umbrella orgs and working with prospective students until March 26th 2. Student applications open March 26 to April 6th. 3. Each umbrella'd org will review their applicants and get prerequisites (patch, interviews, etc) in until April 16. As far as the ongoing projects, he reported: None - this year just began. PSF Contracts and Contributor Agreement Forms ============================================= Board members discussed and voted on a motion to clarify the current contract and contributor agreement form signature process. **RESOLVED**, that the PSF secretary be authorized to sign contributor agreements on behalf of the PSF. Approved, 6-0-0. **RESOLVED**, that given no specific instructions on who is to sign contracts required to implement projects approved by the Board of Directors, the Chairman of the PSF is authorized to sign such contracts on behalf of the PSF. Approved, 5-0-1. Kiwi PyCon 2012 Conference Funding ================================== **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide NZD 1,000 for the Kiwi PyCon 2012 Conference to be held in New Zealand. Approved, 6-0-0. Increase Budget for the Outreach and Education Committee ========================================================= Board members discussed and later withdrew a motion to increase the annual budget of the Outreach and Education Committee from the 2011 budget of $5,000 to $10,000 for 2012. However, this motion was temporarily withdrawn due primarily to a need to first finalize the books for PyCon US 2012. **RESOLVED**, that the Outreach and Education Committee shall have authority to authorize PSF expenditure of up to US$10,000 during the calendar year of 2012, to be spent and divided as the Committee determines best assists in promoting diversity with Python communities. No single spending item shall exceed $2000 without prior approval by the PSF Board. Any commitment of PSF funds by the Committee shall be subject to the voting procedure adopted by the Committee and set forth in its July 2011 Committee report (http://mail.python.org/mailman/private /psf-board/2011-July/015026.html) Motion Withdrawn. PSF Adds Newest Employee to PyCon US ==================================== **RESOLVED**, that the Foundation hire Ewa Jodlowska as "PSF Event Coordinator" as an employee and officer of the foundation focused on the continued management and success of PyCon, at a salary agreed to between herself and the board of directors. Approved, 6-0-0. Other Business =============== None Adjournment =========== S. Holden adjourned the meeting at 12:57 UTC. From brian at python.org Wed May 9 18:08:16 2012 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:08:16 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- March 2012 - Please Post Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hello Pydotorg: > > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/? at the usual web > locations: > please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for > March 2012. > > If you have any questions, please let me know. Updated: http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2012-03-26/ From patcam at python.org Wed May 9 18:11:42 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:11:42 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- March 2012 - Please Post Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Brian. Pat On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > Hello Pydotorg: > > > > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online, > > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/ at the usual web > > locations: > > please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for > > March 2012. > > > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > Updated: http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2012-03-26/ > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amk at amk.ca Wed May 9 22:15:56 2012 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:15:56 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> Message-ID: <20120509201556.GB7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:20:22PM +0100, Michael Foord wrote: > I might have some suggestions for making this (simplicity of administering changes, adding new contributors, and toolchain simplicity for offline editing) more explicit in the rfp. Please suggest away! Bonus points if you want to provide suggested text. The RFP does call for documenting APIs (in the Requirements section) and in the Architecture & Maintenance section says: The system must also be reasonably well-documented, with at minimum instructions for installing the system and an overview describing the general architecture. Developers or content authors may wish to run the application locally for their own purposes, so the system must be installable for them. --amk From amk at amk.ca Wed May 9 22:54:50 2012 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:54:50 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com> References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com> Message-ID: <20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 10:37:06PM -0700, Aahz wrote: > I'll try taking a more detailed look later, but unless I'm missing > something, a key issue is still not addressed: working with the existing > site maintainers. I read your feedback from November while revising the draft, and did put in some changes with your comments in mind. First, the draft now envisions the system being initially written by the bidder and then maintenance duties would increasingly be taken over by the site volunteers. From 'Architecture and Maintenance': Post-launch, we envision that PSF volunteers will perform most future improvements and maintenance tasks; the winner(s) of the bid may provide assistance, but does not carry the primary burden of supporting the system. Bidders may low-ball their costs as an implicit donation to Python, but I was worried that they'd be reluctant to commit to an unknown timespan (3 years? 10?) of doing maintenance at a low-ball price. So the RFP now says that they'll likely hand it off to the volunteers. Second, the paragraph before the one quoted above says: The system must also be reasonably well-documented, with at minimum instructions for installing the system and an overview describing the general architecture. Developers or content authors may wish to run the application locally for their own purposes, so the system must be installable for them. Here I was thinking of the Python release managers, who need to edit the site only every six months or so, and therefore they forget how it works between releases. So this text tries to make it clear that making our own installations is an expected use case. Third, the section 'Selection process' says 'Bidders should feel free to ask questions of the current maintainers or discuss their proposal before final submission by posting to pydotorg-www.' I didn't want to *require* asking questions or posting drafts to pydotorg-www, because that seemed heavy-handed, and I don't see how to mandate that they actually read or act upon the feedback. (Especially if the feedback ends up being contradictory!) So I did try to say that the maintainers are important. Do you want to provide some text clarifying how bidders should work with the existing maintainers? --amk From chris at python.org Thu May 10 08:45:04 2012 From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:45:04 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: <20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com> <20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> Message-ID: <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org> Hi Andrew, On 09/05/2012 21:54, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > First, the draft now envisions the system being initially written by > the bidder and then maintenance duties would increasingly be taken > over by the site volunteers. How is this going to work with the job board? I'm ambivalent about this. I'm largely sure that I think the job board should split off into its own microsite at jobs.python.org. How do we go about making that happen? Other than that, the ambivalence centers around the RFP. On the one hand, it'd be great to have a new system that supports both offline processing and online submission of jobs built by someone else... ...on the other hand, it'd be a nightmare if such a system didn't quite work, had to be maintained by the bidder, etc. My gut feel at the moment is that it'll likely be easier all round to split the job board off into its own application and take it out of the scope of the RFP. This could initially be an ultra stripped down version of the current system featuring just the one page... Thoughts? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From techtonik at gmail.com Thu May 10 12:24:16 2012 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:24:16 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> Message-ID: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > > One of the big problems we have right now is the complexity of the toolchain and the work required to get new contributors. I'm really hoping the new system solves this problem. (disclaimer: the text below may hurt feelings, as usual, nothing personal) The main problem is not the toolchain complexity, but the process, people, and as a result - time required to get approval for changes. A lot of open source Python projects have everything OK with the web part, and python.org is a central for many of them. I doubt anybody would resist from testing your skills against python.org challenge. Unless discouraged. Toolchain is the last reason why no volunteers step up to improve the things. It starts with the pydotorg crew. If it was more inclusive for new contributors, more open and thought about new volunteer's needs instead of teaching "their own ways" or at least try to understand the problems new people may have with the whole process, then the situation can be different. I'd say that pydotorg crew should make the first step to welcome new contributors and proactively attract them. If pydotorg crew doesn't do this - it is dead. By attracting I mean giving at least one talk about pydotorg stuff on each local PyCon, listing current problems and reporint status. Right no there is no even tracker - I have to open my own 'personal' tracker for python.org just to list things I like to be fixed [1], [2]. Ideally, python.org could be an exemplary project where "eating your own dogfood" principle could lead to the evolution of Python on the web. A place, where design decisions could be weighed, argumented and protected. There could be a book listing all historical approaches to evolution of request processing in different frameworks. There could be a DB listing user stories and problems encountered to match them against one framework or the other. But, of course, there should be a place first to discuss the development process and the ways to improve it. pydotorg development team is dead. It doesn't have name, doesn't have members, goals and public place. From outside it looks that the team is Martin alone, and his sole goal is getting stuff fixed - not community support or making the stuff more attractive for newcomers. There are some people who maintain python.org services in private pydotorg mailing list (sorry guys, don't remember your names), and while I suspect that they should be doing something important, I don't really know what exactly they do. Last time I've tried to remove damn /moin/ suffix from wiki.python.org, I have not only to persuade people who don't use wiki as much as I do, but also teach how to do this without any access to configuration files. I've tired. There is no guarantee that buying python.org will make it alive. It may have an opposite effect. I'd say the starting point is to make the process open. Take OpenStack as an example. Ask them what is to be open and how to make it work. It is not that I am not going to persuade anybody myself - it just seem pointless from the point a well-known troll. Why am I not doing anything myself? Well, until `pydotorg` list is a closed list and public volunteers are not looking more important than some "regents collective" (even if it is not so in reality), my OCD doesn't allow me to concentrate on anything else. I hope this raises some points. 1. http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue340 2. http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/list -- anatoly t. From martin at v.loewis.de Thu May 10 14:10:55 2012 From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:10:55 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org> References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com> <20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org> Message-ID: <20120510141055.Horde.HwChCVNNcXdPq7BP8b4kmtA@webmail.df.eu> > I'm largely sure that I think the job board should split off into > its own microsite at jobs.python.org. How do we go about making that > happen? I think I'm -1 on making a subsite. I like URL stability, so even if the content maintenance of the jobs site works independent from the rest, it should continue to be provided at its current URL. > My gut feel at the moment is that it'll likely be easier all round > to split the job board off into its own application and take it out > of the scope of the RFP. I'd personally wait and see what the outcome of the redesign is. Perhaps you might even like the new site. But if not, it should be easy enough to take the jobs list out of the management even after the fact. That said, I think any contractor would have to know about the needs of this particular application. It might be useful to ask bidders for a separate quote on the job board, and then decide that the risk of wasting that money (in case we don't use the new system for the jobs) is too high. Regards, Martin From chris at python.org Thu May 10 14:40:23 2012 From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:40:23 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: <20120510141055.Horde.HwChCVNNcXdPq7BP8b4kmtA@webmail.df.eu> References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com> <20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org> <20120510141055.Horde.HwChCVNNcXdPq7BP8b4kmtA@webmail.df.eu> Message-ID: <4FABB737.204@python.org> On 10/05/2012 13:10, martin at v.loewis.de wrote: >> I'm largely sure that I think the job board should split off into its >> own microsite at jobs.python.org. How do we go about making that happen? > > I think I'm -1 on making a subsite. I like URL stability, so even if > the content maintenance of the jobs site works independent from the > rest, it should continue to be provided at its current URL. I've always found it surprising that jobs.python.org doesn't exist. I'd imagine about three 301 redirects would take care of existing urls... > I'd personally wait and see what the outcome of the redesign is. Perhaps > you might even like the new site. But if not, it should be easy enough > to take the jobs list out of the management even after the fact. Indeed, the job board has been something I've been thinking about a lot for the last couple of years. I even started a project to handle it: https://github.com/cjw296/jobs.python.org ...before my working situation changed and doing the moderation offline turned out to be a requirement. > That said, I think any contractor would have to know about the needs of > this particular application. It might be useful to ask bidders for a > separate quote on the job board, and then decide that the risk of wasting > that money (in case we don't use the new system for the jobs) is too high. I think it'd make the RFP simpler and cheaper to split it off before. I'm offering to do that work ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From amk at amk.ca Thu May 10 14:47:28 2012 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:47:28 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org> References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com> <20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org> Message-ID: <20120510124728.GA7993@datl9makuchling.home> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:45:04AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > How is this going to work with the job board? One major goal of the RFP is to make it easier to create sub-sites; the RFP gives edu.python.org and mentors.python.org as examples, and jobs.python.org would then be another such sub-site. > I'm largely sure that I think the job board should split off into > its own microsite at jobs.python.org. How do we go about making that > happen? The job page could be moved into its own repository -- I would include all the templates and build scripts, too, so that the repository is completely standalone. Someone on the infrastructure side would need to set up the scripts/cron tasks/whatever to run a build after every commit, as we do for www.python.org. (This is the sticky point -- I have no idea how quickly that task would be done.) Finally the DNS name jobs.python.org would be set up to point to the new build's output. > My gut feel at the moment is that it'll likely be easier all round > to split the job board off into its own application and take it out > of the scope of the RFP. This could initially be an ultra stripped Note that the RFP doesn't explicitly mention the job board. I see the sub-site support as very important, even if the job board never uses it at all. --amk From chris at python.org Thu May 10 14:55:02 2012 From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:55:02 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP In-Reply-To: <20120510124728.GA7993@datl9makuchling.home> References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com> <20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local> <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org> <20120510124728.GA7993@datl9makuchling.home> Message-ID: <4FABBAA6.1080004@python.org> On 10/05/2012 13:47, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > The job page could be moved into its own repository -- I would include > all the templates and build scripts, too, so that the repository is > completely standalone. Yep, I'd be all for this, here seems as good a place as any: https://github.com/cjw296/jobs.python.org > Someone on the infrastructure side would need > to set up the scripts/cron tasks/whatever to run a build after every > commit, as we do for www.python.org. (This is the sticky point -- I > have no idea how quickly that task would be done.) I can't imagine it's that hard ;-) > Finally the DNS > name jobs.python.org would be set up to point to the new build's > output. Yep. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From patcam at python.org Thu May 10 16:10:35 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:10:35 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from the March 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online Message-ID: Hi pydotorg team: Could you please add the following board resolutions from the March 2012 board meetings to this web page: http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/ Please see the list of board resolutions to be added below: * * *March 26, 2012 board meeting* **RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop to the membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF. Approved 8-0-0 by email vote, 29 February 2012 **RESOLVED**, that the PSF secretary be authorized to sign contributor agreements on behalf of the PSF. Approved 6-0-0 by IRC vote, 26 March 2012 **RESOLVED**, that given no specific instructions on who is to sign contracts required to implement projects approved by the Board of Directors, the Chairman of the PSF is authorized to sign such contracts on behalf of the PSF. Approved 5-0-1 by IRC vote, 26 March 2012 **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide NZD 1,000 for the Kiwi PyCon 2012 Conference to be held in New Zealand. Approved 6-0-0 by IRC vote, 26 March 2012 **RESOLVED**, that the Foundation hire Ewa Jodlowska as "PSF Event Coordinator" as an employee and officer of the foundation focused on the continued management and success of PyCon, at a salary agreed to between herself and the board of directors. Approved 6-0-0 by IRC vote, 26 March 2012 Thanks, Pat -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I waited a while to see if Georg wanted a picture to be included but never heard back. I can always add it later, though. From patcam at python.org Sat May 12 20:54:35 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:54:35 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Brian: As usual, the webpage update looks good. However, I need your help with correcting 1 minor item on the webpage. I was hoping, if you could make a slight adjustment on the webpage (it slipped passed me when I was creating the draft sent for posting). I noticed that the very first resolution on the webpage is an "email" vote which took place on February 29, 2012, between the February & March 2012 board meetings. *RESOLVED*, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop to the membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF. Approved 8-0-0 by email vote, 29 February 2012 Is it possible to place the above resolution after the four, IRC vote, *26 March 2012* resolutions? Thanks in advance, Pat On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > Hi pydotorg team: > > > > > > > > Could you please add the following board resolutions from > > > > the March 2012 board meetings to this web page: > > > > > > > > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/ > > The resolutions have been added: > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/ > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patcam at python.org Sat May 12 21:51:03 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:51:03 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Frank Willison Award Recipient for 2011 - Georg Brandl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks a lot Brian. I am so glad you caught this one :). ...the 2012 Frank Willison Award winner's (J. Noller), like past recipients, should also be placed in a PSF news item (blog posting) and also should be made available on the "Frank Willison" award webpage. But, there is no reason to jump-the-gun on this 2012 news-worthy item yet, since the board vote on the 2012 winner has not become public knowledge yet. However, as soon as, the April 2012 board meeting minutes are approved by the board, then I can send you an email requesting a blog posting around the award & winner: Jesse's bio & recognition timeline information, etc. In past years, Doug Hellmann may have collected the award recipient's data from a collection of sources (including the PSF chairman). Thanks, Pat On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > To: pydotorg: > > > > Could you please add the bio information to the link below for the 2011 > > Frank Willison Award > > recipient Georg Brandl: > > > > http://www.python.org/community/awards/frank-willison/ > > Updated. I waited a while to see if Georg wanted a picture to be > included but never heard back. I can always add it later, though. > -- Pat Campbell PSF Administrator/Secretary patcam at python.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at python.org Sat May 12 23:56:43 2012 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:56:43 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hi Brian: > > As usual, the webpage update looks good. > > However, I need your help with correcting 1 minor item on the webpage. > I was hoping, if you could make a slight adjustment on the webpage (it > slipped > passed me when I was creating the draft sent for posting). > > I noticed that the very first resolution on the webpage is an "email" > vote which took place on February 29, 2012, between the February & > March 2012 board meetings. > > RESOLVED, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop to the > membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF. > > Approved 8-0-0 by email vote, 29 February 2012 > > Is it possible to place the above resolution after the four, IRC vote, 26 > March 2012 > resolutions? Good eye. The page is now updated with the correct order. From martin at v.loewis.de Sun May 13 09:49:32 2012 From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 09:49:32 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Frank Willison Award Recipient for 2011 - Georg Brandl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120513094932.Horde.w3hsUUlCcOxPr2eM4yqVmnA@webmail.df.eu> > But, there is no reason to jump-the-gun on this 2012 news-worthy item > yet, since the board vote on the 2012 winner has not become public > knowledge yet. The genie may be out of the bottle (since this list is publically available), but I think the 2012 Willison award winner shouldn't be posted here until the award is actually given by O'Reilly at OSCON 2012. Regards, Martin From patcam579 at gmail.com Sun May 13 05:56:25 2012 From: patcam579 at gmail.com (patcam579 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 03:56:25 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online Message-ID: <1736284734-1336880311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574897939-@b17.c28.bise6.blackberry> Thanks a whole lot Brian. Pat ------Original Message------ From: Brian Curtin To: Pat Campbell Cc: pydotorg-www Cc: PSF Board Subject: Re: [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online Sent: May 12, 2012 5:56 PM On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > Hi Brian: > > As usual, the webpage update looks good. > > However, I need your help with correcting 1 minor item on the webpage. > I was hoping, if you could make a slight adjustment on the webpage (it > slipped > passed me when I was creating the draft sent for posting). > > I noticed that the very first resolution on the webpage is an "email" > vote which took place on February 29, 2012, between the February & > March 2012 board meetings. > > RESOLVED, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop to the > membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF. > > Approved 8-0-0 by email vote, 29 February 2012 > > Is it possible to place the above resolution after the four, IRC vote, 26 > March 2012 > resolutions? Good eye. The page is now updated with the correct order. Sent from my BlackBerry? by Boost Mobile From nad at acm.org Thu May 17 00:35:49 2012 From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 15:35:49 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken links in /community/jobs/ section Message-ID: Anthony Long reports in http://bugs.python.org/issue14834 that there are several broken links in the /community/jobs section of www.python.org: http://python.org/community/jobs/ http://python.org/community/jobs/www.austinfraser.com \_____ error code: 404 (not found) http://python.org/lumino.so \_____ error code: 404 (not found) http://python.org/community/jobs/www.osrecruit.com \_____ error code: 404 (not found) http://python.org/community/jobs/www.tech.myemma.com \_____ error code: 404 (not found) http://python.org/community/jobs/www.oxfordknight.co.uk \_____ error code: 404 (not found) The broken /download links will be fixed by python-dev. -- Ned Deily, nad at acm.org From rosuav at gmail.com Thu May 17 00:53:40 2012 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:53:40 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken links in /community/jobs/ section In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ned Deily wrote: > Anthony Long reports in http://bugs.python.org/issue14834 that there are > several broken links in the /community/jobs section of www.python.org: Corrected in rev 14242, but this is my first edit on the site and I'm not sure I did it right. Can someone check over it please? ChrisA From nad at acm.org Thu May 17 01:23:27 2012 From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:23:27 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken links in /community/jobs/ section References: Message-ID: In article , Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ned Deily > wrote: > > Anthony Long reports in http://bugs.python.org/issue14834 that there are > > several broken links in the /community/jobs section of www.python.org: > Corrected in rev 14242, but this is my first edit on the site and I'm > not sure I did it right. Can someone check over it please? Looks good to me. Thanks! -- Ned Deily, nad at acm.org From patcam at python.org Mon May 21 14:35:19 2012 From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:35:19 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please add to Website Message-ID: Hi Pydotorg team: Could you please add the new PSF sponsor member logo for Lincoln Loop, to the sponsor web page http://www.python.org/psf/. Their company logo is attached to this email also a link to their company website is http://lincolnloop.com. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks in advance, Pat On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Peter Baumgartner wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: > > > Additionally, please feel free to provide us with your company logo along > > > > with a link to your company?s website in order for use to display and > list > > your > > > > company with all of our other PSF sponsors on this webpage: > > > > http://www.python.org/psf/. > > Thanks Pat! 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Chris Angelico From martin at v.loewis.de Tue May 22 00:06:59 2012 From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 00:06:59 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please add to Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu> Zitat von Chris Angelico : > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Pat Campbell wrote: >> Hi Pydotorg team: >> >> Could you please add the new PSF sponsor member logo for Lincoln Loop, >> to the sponsor web page http://www.python.org/psf/. >> >> Their company logo is attached to this email also a link to their company >> website >> is http://lincolnloop.com. > > Added to repository, though not built as yet - can someone run a make > please? At least, I'm not seeing the change. It should be automatic, see http://www.python.org/status/ Regards, Martin From rosuav at gmail.com Tue May 22 00:48:44 2012 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:48:44 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please add to Website In-Reply-To: <20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu> References: <20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu> Message-ID: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:06 AM, wrote: > > Zitat von Chris Angelico : > >> Added to repository, though not built as yet - can someone run a make >> please? At least, I'm not seeing the change. > > It should be automatic, see > > http://www.python.org/status/ Hmm. Neither buildinprocess nor buildqueued lists anything (both are 404), but I'm not seeing the change on the live site yet. Is it a periodic check or triggered? My apologies, I'm not familiar with how this is set up. ChrisA From nad at acm.org Tue May 22 04:42:39 2012 From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:42:39 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please add to Website References: <20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu> Message-ID: In article , Chris Angelico wrote: > Hmm. Neither buildinprocess nor buildqueued lists anything (both are > 404), but I'm not seeing the change on the live site yet. Is it a > periodic check or triggered? > > My apologies, I'm not familiar with how this is set up. Looks like your change was not quite enough. Look further down on the page you modified (content.ht) at around line 314. -- Ned Deily, nad at acm.org From rosuav at gmail.com Tue May 22 05:17:43 2012 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:17:43 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please add to Website In-Reply-To: References: <20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu> Message-ID: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > In article > , > ?Chris Angelico wrote: >> Hmm. Neither buildinprocess nor buildqueued lists anything (both are >> 404), but I'm not seeing the change on the live site yet. Is it a >> periodic check or triggered? >> >> My apologies, I'm not familiar with how this is set up. > > Looks like your change was not quite enough. ?Look further down on the > page you modified (content.ht) at around line 314. Ah! Thanks. Got it! It's on the site now. ChrisA From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri May 25 16:13:17 2012 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:13:17 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement? Message-ID: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com> Chris, I don't think we should require anything close to "almost everything" being Python for jobs. For example, there are many web jobs where JavaScript forms a large part of the job requirement. Once you add SQL and other technologies, even a formally Python job rarely has almost everything in Python. >From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate for the Python Job Board. Thanks, Aahz ----- Forwarded message from Chris Withers ----- > Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:25:26 +0100 > From: Chris Withers > To: Amy Schoemehl > Cc: Sara Davis , jobs at python.org > Subject: Re: [Pydotorg] Job listing for TellApart > > Hi Amy, > > On 22/05/2012 16:09, Amy Schoemehl wrote: >>Technology Stack >> >> * Home-grown TAFE (TellApart >> Front End) Pythonwebserver >> * Hadoopand Hivelog-processing and data analytics pipeline >> * Cutting-edge open source technologies all running atop Amazon Web >> Services >> >> >>We run almost exclusively on Python, so I want to be sure it is clear in >>our posting. If you think this insert will help, Sara can update the >>text and send back today. > > As long as it's clear that almost everything the successful > candidate will be working on is in Python, that should be fine. > > Please do the edits and re-submit and we should be able to post :-) > > Chris > > -- > Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting > - http://www.simplistix.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Pydotorg mailing list > Pydotorg at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Using LOCs as a measure of programmer productivity is like estimating the productivity of a welder by the amount of acetylene used." --Paul Svensson, comp.lang.python, 6/2000 From chris at python.org Fri May 25 16:54:09 2012 From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:54:09 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement? In-Reply-To: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com> References: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com> Message-ID: <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org> Hi Aahz, On 25/05/2012 15:13, Aahz wrote: > I don't think we should require anything close to "almost everything" > being Python for jobs. I can't remember how much of the thread with Amy appeared on the list... In this case, the OP has stated that "almost everything" to do with this particular job is done using Python. Once that's clear in the posting, I'm happy to put it up. At the moment, the posting does not make that clear. >> From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate > for the Python Job Board. It's more subtle than that for me; 50% Python 50% Java? No thanks. 50% Python, 20% html/xml, 20% css, 10% javascript? Maybe. 50% python, 30% databases, 20% sysadmin (puppet, chef, bash, etc), sure, why not. However, whatever the case is, it helps both the candidate and the recruiter if the split is obvious from reading the posting. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From aahz at pythoncraft.com Sat May 26 02:16:25 2012 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:16:25 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement? In-Reply-To: <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org> References: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com> <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org> Message-ID: <20120526001625.GA13901@panix.com> On Fri, May 25, 2012, Chris Withers wrote: > On 25/05/2012 15:13, Aahz wrote: >> >>I don't think we should require anything close to "almost everything" >>being Python for jobs. > > I can't remember how much of the thread with Amy appeared on the list... > In this case, the OP has stated that "almost everything" to do with > this particular job is done using Python. > > Once that's clear in the posting, I'm happy to put it up. At the > moment, the posting does not make that clear. Gotcha. >>From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate >>for the Python Job Board. > > It's more subtle than that for me; 50% Python 50% Java? No thanks. > 50% Python, 20% html/xml, 20% css, 10% javascript? Maybe. 50% > python, 30% databases, 20% sysadmin (puppet, chef, bash, etc), sure, > why not. I'd rather not think about that, it gets into ugly gray areas like the extent to which Jython counts. A simple heuristic is better IMO. > However, whatever the case is, it helps both the candidate and the > recruiter if the split is obvious from reading the posting. That's certainly true! -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Anning From chris at python.org Mon May 28 17:36:49 2012 From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:36:49 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement? In-Reply-To: <20120526001625.GA13901@panix.com> References: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com> <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org> <20120526001625.GA13901@panix.com> Message-ID: <4FC39B91.1080708@python.org> On 26/05/2012 01:16, Aahz wrote: >> > From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate >>> for the Python Job Board. >> >> It's more subtle than that for me; 50% Python 50% Java? No thanks. >> 50% Python, 20% html/xml, 20% css, 10% javascript? Maybe. 50% >> python, 30% databases, 20% sysadmin (puppet, chef, bash, etc), sure, >> why not. > > I'd rather not think about that, it gets into ugly gray areas like the > extent to which Jython counts. Indeed, I tend to do it on "feel" nowadays; is the recruiter just spamming a generic ad to as many places as possible or have they actually picked out the python job board for a reason? If the latter, is that reason one we're likely to agree with? ;-) cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From aahz at pythoncraft.com Thu May 31 16:22:34 2012 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:22:34 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement? In-Reply-To: <4FC39B91.1080708@python.org> References: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com> <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org> <20120526001625.GA13901@panix.com> <4FC39B91.1080708@python.org> Message-ID: <20120531142234.GB23596@panix.com> On Mon, May 28, 2012, Chris Withers wrote: > > On 26/05/2012 01:16, Aahz wrote: >>>> From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate >>>>for the Python Job Board. >>> >>>It's more subtle than that for me; 50% Python 50% Java? No thanks. >>>50% Python, 20% html/xml, 20% css, 10% javascript? Maybe. 50% >>>python, 30% databases, 20% sysadmin (puppet, chef, bash, etc), sure, >>>why not. >> >>I'd rather not think about that, it gets into ugly gray areas like the >>extent to which Jython counts. > > Indeed, I tend to do it on "feel" nowadays; is the recruiter just > spamming a generic ad to as many places as possible or have they > actually picked out the python job board for a reason? If the > latter, is that reason one we're likely to agree with? ;-) Okay, fair enough. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Anning