From patcam at python.org  Tue May  1 17:09:52 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 11:09:52 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?2012_Officers=2C_Directors=2C_and?=
	=?windows-1252?q?_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Add?=
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dLLvtf2VnzzVyw1W8u74G8Cctxg7L+Zc7xxHyu6nTk4Fg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg Team:



Please add the 2012 new PSF officers, directors, and members to the
?Membership Roster? webpage:



http://www.python.org/psf/members/



* *

*2012 ? Officers*

* *

President: Guido van Rossum

Chairman: Steve Holden

Vice Chair/Chair-Elect: Van Lindberg

Secretary: Pat Campbell

Treasurer: Kurt Kaiser

Communications: Brian Curtin

PyCon Chair: Jesse Noller

Events Coordinator: Eva Jodlowska

* *

*2012 ? Directors*

* *

Brian Curtin

Steve Holden

Andrew Kuchling

Marc-Andr? Lemburg

Van Lindberg

Martin v. L?wis

Jessica McKellar

David Mertz

Doug Napoleone

Jesse Noller

Tim Peters

* *

*2012** New Sponsor Member:*

* *

Lincoln Loop, http://lincolnloop.com/,    since April 2012, represented by
Peter Baumgartner



*2012** - New Nominated Members:*



Tim Ansell

Martin Aspeli

Henrique Bastos

Benoit Chesneau

Jan Ulrich Hasecke



Larry Hastings

Stephen Hawkes

Ewa Jodlowska

Andreas Jung

Noah Kantrowitz



Peter Kropf

Jannis Leidel

Paul MdMillan

Carl Meyer

Luciano Ramalho



Kenneth Reitz

Armin Ronacher

Michelle Rowley

Tres Seaver

Hanno Schlichting



Armin Stro?-Radschinski

Christian Theune

Giles Thomas

Nicholas H. Tollervey

Wilfredo Sanchez Vega



Chris Withers

* *

Thanks,

Pat




-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Wed May  2 12:20:56 2012
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:20:56 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
References: <CAA77j2DVRMxQ_NUcrrdHZAQXBL5F3XXVYUYOX7vW4hWVFTpEcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>

Hey all,

I assume that Tshepang is correct (see email below) and that Sun should be removed from the PSF member list.

Michael Foord

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang at gmail.com>
> Subject: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
> Date: 30 April 2012 13:12:54 GMT+01:00
> To: webmaster at python.org
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I see that Sun Microsystems is claimed to be a sponsor member
> (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-members). It makes me
> wonder what else needs updating.
> 


--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Wed May  2 13:46:56 2012
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:46:56 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need
	updating
In-Reply-To: <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
References: <CAA77j2DVRMxQ_NUcrrdHZAQXBL5F3XXVYUYOX7vW4hWVFTpEcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>
	<4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
Message-ID: <61BE8514-DD15-42A6-AC05-2B7A31E7D328@voidspace.org.uk>


On 2 May 2012, at 12:43, Stefan Drees wrote:

> Hey to all that might be interested in just my opinion on this,
> 
> ... since I did not find a matching Oracle entry on that mentioned page (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-member), but of course Oracle somehow responding "as target website" behind the sponsor link, I personally would not suggest simply removing the entry but instead requesting an update on the status from the former representative Ted Leung i.e. if and how this membership has been transfered to Oracle.


IIRC Sun never paid their membership dues *anyway* and should have been removed a while ago? I am fairly certain that Oracle are *not* paying sponsor members currently whatever the history.

Michael

> 
> All the bbest,
> Stefan.
> 
> Am 02.05.12 12:20, schrieb Michael Foord:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I assume that Tshepang is correct (see email below) and that Sun should be removed from the PSF member list.
>> 
>> Michael Foord
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe<tshepang at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
>>> Date: 30 April 2012 13:12:54 GMT+01:00
>>> To: webmaster at python.org
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I see that Sun Microsystems is claimed to be a sponsor member
>>> (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-members). It makes me
>>> wonder what else needs updating.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>> 
>> 
>> May you do good and not evil
>> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
>> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
>> -- the sqlite blessing
>> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 
> 


--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From stefan at drees.name  Wed May  2 13:43:07 2012
From: stefan at drees.name (Stefan Drees)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 13:43:07 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need
	updating
In-Reply-To: <3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <CAA77j2DVRMxQ_NUcrrdHZAQXBL5F3XXVYUYOX7vW4hWVFTpEcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>

Hey to all that might be interested in just my opinion on this,

  ... since I did not find a matching Oracle entry on that mentioned 
page (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-member), but of course 
Oracle somehow responding "as target website" behind the sponsor link, I 
personally would not suggest simply removing the entry but instead 
requesting an update on the status from the former representative Ted 
Leung i.e. if and how this membership has been transfered to Oracle.

All the bbest,
Stefan.

Am 02.05.12 12:20, schrieb Michael Foord:
> Hey all,
>
> I assume that Tshepang is correct (see email below) and that Sun should be removed from the PSF member list.
>
> Michael Foord
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe<tshepang at gmail.com>
>> Subject: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
>> Date: 30 April 2012 13:12:54 GMT+01:00
>> To: webmaster at python.org
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I see that Sun Microsystems is claimed to be a sponsor member
>> (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-members). It makes me
>> wonder what else needs updating.
>>
>
>
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>
>
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing
> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


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From amk at amk.ca  Wed May  2 16:05:14 2012
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:05:14 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd:
 http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
In-Reply-To: <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
References: <CAA77j2DVRMxQ_NUcrrdHZAQXBL5F3XXVYUYOX7vW4hWVFTpEcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>
	<4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
Message-ID: <20120502140514.GA49020@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>

On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 01:43:07PM +0200, Stefan Drees wrote:
> sponsor link, I personally would not suggest simply removing the
> entry but instead requesting an update on the status from the former
> representative Ted Leung i.e. if and how this membership has been
> transfered to Oracle.

According to LinkedIn, Ted Leung is now working for Walt Disney, not
Oracle.  So if Sun did in fact never pay their membership, we should
just remove them from the list.

--amk

From steve at holdenweb.com  Wed May  2 16:27:04 2012
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 07:27:04 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd:
	http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
In-Reply-To: <4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
References: <CAA77j2DVRMxQ_NUcrrdHZAQXBL5F3XXVYUYOX7vW4hWVFTpEcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>
	<4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
Message-ID: <D65A513C-D70D-4827-BCFC-7EAECFD79485@holdenweb.com>

Not a bad idea, except that Ted's been working for Disney for at least a couple of years now. We were halfway to including Oracle as a sponsor at PyCon, but then they tried to pull a fancy "special terms and conditions" stunt late in the game and Jesse, having no time for stunts, declined to accept them as a sponsor.

Overall we want as many sponsors as we can get, but Oracle don't really seem to be that much of a team player, so without evidence of a revised attitude I'd be inclined to just let them go. A relationship with Oracle seems too much like hard work.

regards
 Steve

On May 2, 2012, at 4:43 AM, Stefan Drees wrote:

> Hey to all that might be interested in just my opinion on this,
> 
> ... since I did not find a matching Oracle entry on that mentioned page (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-member), but of course Oracle somehow responding "as target website" behind the sponsor link, I personally would not suggest simply removing the entry but instead requesting an update on the status from the former representative Ted Leung i.e. if and how this membership has been transfered to Oracle.
> 
> All the bbest,
> Stefan.
> 
> Am 02.05.12 12:20, schrieb Michael Foord:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I assume that Tshepang is correct (see email below) and that Sun should be removed from the PSF member list.
>> 
>> Michael Foord
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe<tshepang at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
>>> Date: 30 April 2012 13:12:54 GMT+01:00
>>> To: webmaster at python.org
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I see that Sun Microsystems is claimed to be a sponsor member
>>> (http://www.python.org/psf/members/#sponsor-members). It makes me
>>> wonder what else needs updating.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>> 
>> 
>> May you do good and not evil
>> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
>> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
>> -- the sqlite blessing
>> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> PSF-Members mailing list
> PSF-Members at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-members
> PSF home page (http://www.python.org/psf/)
> PSF membership FAQ (http://www.python.org/psf/membership/)
> PSF members' wiki (http://wiki.python.org/psf/)

-- 
Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com,  Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Current event:  Open Django East May 18-19:  http://opendjango.com/east/

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From steve at holdenweb.com  Wed May  2 16:41:58 2012
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 07:41:58 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd:
	http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
In-Reply-To: <CAKDZRciyqwgtDeZ9=DQjU1mKs-hx=4Ete46p9us0Xv2n3BL-Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA77j2DVRMxQ_NUcrrdHZAQXBL5F3XXVYUYOX7vW4hWVFTpEcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>
	<4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
	<D65A513C-D70D-4827-BCFC-7EAECFD79485@holdenweb.com>
	<CAKDZRciyqwgtDeZ9=DQjU1mKs-hx=4Ete46p9us0Xv2n3BL-Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1CC343B7-EB4D-4FF6-A8E1-3F82476F9F7E@holdenweb.com>

On May 2, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Jessica McKellar wrote:

>> Overall we want as many sponsors as we can get, but Oracle don't really seem
>> to be that much of a team player, so without evidence of a revised attitude
>> I'd be inclined to just let them go. A relationship with Oracle seems too
>> much like hard work.
> 
> Jesse, I'd be interested in a brain dump off-list on our Oracle
> contacts and what the relationship has been like so far.
> 
> I work at Oracle, in the Linux and Virtualization group. I'd like to
> see Oracle supporting the PSF and would be happy to develop some new
> relationships from the inside. The company is so big that we may just
> be talking to the wrong people; my group was certainly happy to spend
> money on getting folks to PyCon.


Jessica:

I'll be very happy if you can mend fences with Oracle. At least you can go in knowing that our experiences haven't been particularly happy so far ...

regards
 Steve
-- 
Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com,  Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Current event:  Open Django East May 18-19:  http://opendjango.com/east/

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From jessica.mckellar at gmail.com  Wed May  2 16:36:50 2012
From: jessica.mckellar at gmail.com (Jessica McKellar)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:36:50 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd:
 http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
In-Reply-To: <D65A513C-D70D-4827-BCFC-7EAECFD79485@holdenweb.com>
References: <CAA77j2DVRMxQ_NUcrrdHZAQXBL5F3XXVYUYOX7vW4hWVFTpEcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>
	<4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
	<D65A513C-D70D-4827-BCFC-7EAECFD79485@holdenweb.com>
Message-ID: <CAKDZRciyqwgtDeZ9=DQjU1mKs-hx=4Ete46p9us0Xv2n3BL-Rw@mail.gmail.com>

> Overall we want as many sponsors as we can get, but Oracle don't really seem
> to be that much of a team player, so without evidence of a revised attitude
> I'd be inclined to just let them go. A relationship with Oracle seems too
> much like hard work.

Jesse, I'd be interested in a brain dump off-list on our Oracle
contacts and what the relationship has been like so far.

I work at Oracle, in the Linux and Virtualization group. I'd like to
see Oracle supporting the PSF and would be happy to develop some new
relationships from the inside. The company is so big that we may just
be talking to the wrong people; my group was certainly happy to spend
money on getting folks to PyCon.

-Jessica

--
Jessica McKellar
http://jesstess.com

From patcam at python.org  Wed May  2 17:01:26 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:01:26 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Fwd:
 http://www.python.org/psf/members/ need updating
In-Reply-To: <CAKDZRciyqwgtDeZ9=DQjU1mKs-hx=4Ete46p9us0Xv2n3BL-Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA77j2DVRMxQ_NUcrrdHZAQXBL5F3XXVYUYOX7vW4hWVFTpEcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3046E980-CA72-4650-856B-B66FA5428D6A@voidspace.org.uk>
	<4FA11DCB.6020701@drees.name>
	<D65A513C-D70D-4827-BCFC-7EAECFD79485@holdenweb.com>
	<CAKDZRciyqwgtDeZ9=DQjU1mKs-hx=4Ete46p9us0Xv2n3BL-Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+Q06AtiOVomWzgKwXiMG_a=-e6eyY5rYhfa5CdctfQjw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jessica:

According to my PSF membership records, we have a current sponsor status
for Oracle
formerly known as Sun Micro Systems as "emeritus" type of PSF sponsor
membership
which basically means that the membership standing is inactive, however, it
can be
reactivated to "active" if the membership fees are paid.

If the Oracle would like to change their membership standing back to
active, please
let us know.

Thanks,
Pat

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Jessica McKellar <
jessica.mckellar at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Overall we want as many sponsors as we can get, but Oracle don't really
> seem
> > to be that much of a team player, so without evidence of a revised
> attitude
> > I'd be inclined to just let them go. A relationship with Oracle seems too
> > much like hard work.
>
> Jesse, I'd be interested in a brain dump off-list on our Oracle
> contacts and what the relationship has been like so far.
>
> I work at Oracle, in the Linux and Virtualization group. I'd like to
> see Oracle supporting the PSF and would be happy to develop some new
> relationships from the inside. The company is so big that we may just
> be talking to the wrong people; my group was certainly happy to spend
> money on getting folks to PyCon.
>
> -Jessica
>
> --
> Jessica McKellar
> http://jesstess.com
> _______________________________________________
> PSF-Members mailing list
> PSF-Members at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-members
> PSF home page (http://www.python.org/psf/)
> PSF membership FAQ (http://www.python.org/psf/membership/)
> PSF members' wiki (http://wiki.python.org/psf/)
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From carl at oddbird.net  Thu May  3 19:17:53 2012
From: carl at oddbird.net (Carl Meyer)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 11:17:53 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] intro
Message-ID: <4FA2BDC1.2080507@oddbird.net>

Hi all,

Michael Foord mentioned on python-dev that new pydotorg-www subscribers 
should introduce themselves. I recently raised a couple website issues I 
noticed and Martin invited me to help fix things myself, so here I am 
:-) Can't promise any great investment of time, but I'm happy to fix 
small things as I notice them.

Carl

From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu May  3 23:47:07 2012
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:47:07 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Intro [copyeditor]
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmrQO9B+2trGPWV7r1X6fugztVOqYspo9a-i2uFbSRiS+A@mail.gmail.com>

Joining the mini-influx instigated by Michael Foord, I'm a copyeditor
on Australian time who does small, non-controversial edits to things
like grammar, typos, formatting, and so on. Like the previous poster,
can't guarantee any particular time investment at the moment, but hope
to help out where needed.

ChrisA

From rosuav at gmail.com  Fri May  4 12:38:06 2012
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:38:06 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Using the python.org www repository with git
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmpxBLy5G-o9cWSENPZrDXc2g9ROaX0yiYX=zAPZPOtFdw@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone used git-svn with the pydotorg repository? I'm having a bit
of trouble cloning the repository (aka checking it out); am hoping I
don't have to hunt down a Windows svn client.

$ git svn clone -s svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org pywww
Initialized empty Git repository in c:/pywww/.git/
Using higher level of URL:
svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org =>
svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org
W: Ignoring error from SVN, path probably does not exist: (160013):
Filesystem has no item: File not found: revision 100, path
'/trunk/beta.python.org'
W: Do not be alarmed at the above message git-svn is just searching
aggressively for old history.
This may take a while on large repositories
Checked through r8600

At this point it stalled for a long time (not sure how long, but long
enough that I was wondering if it had died completely - probably ten
minutes or more). Then after a while it silently gave me back a
prompt. However, the new pywww directory has about 25KB in it, which
is not nearly enough for even current status, much less history.

$ git status
# On branch master
#
# Initial commit
#
nothing to commit (create/copy files and use "git add" to track)

$ git log
fatal: bad default revision 'HEAD'

Have I done something hopelessly wrong? If nobody knows what's going
on, I'll switch to a "real" Subversion client, but it would be more
convenient to work this way.

I'm currently re-cloning the repository without the -s (standard
setup) option, to see if that makes any difference.

Chris Angelico

From patcam at python.org  Fri May  4 17:33:35 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:33:35 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?windows-1252?q?2nd_Request_2012_Officers=2C_Dire?=
	=?windows-1252?q?ctors=2C_and_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Post?=
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKqqeQnQqH5ChapxJEkVVW=f4Uso9m2cxP6m1RbtgB-SQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Luciano:

Please see the request already placed with the pydotorg team to
have the "membership roster" webpage updated.

Please see email below.

However, please feel free to contact the pydotorg team directly.

Thank-you for offering the extra hand!!
Pat

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:

> Hi Pydotorg Team:
>
>
>
> Please add the 2012 new PSF officers, directors, and members to the
> ?Membership Roster? webpage:
>
>
>
> http://www.python.org/psf/members/
>
>
>
> * *
>
> *2012 ? Officers*
>
> * *
>
> President: Guido van Rossum
>
> Chairman: Steve Holden
>
> Vice Chair/Chair-Elect: Van Lindberg
>
> Secretary: Pat Campbell
>
> Treasurer: Kurt Kaiser
>
> Communications: Brian Curtin
>
> PyCon Chair: Jesse Noller
>
> Events Coordinator: Eva Jodlowska
>
> * *
>
> *2012 ? Directors*
>
> * *
>
> Brian Curtin
>
> Steve Holden
>
> Andrew Kuchling
>
> Marc-Andr? Lemburg
>
> Van Lindberg
>
> Martin v. L?wis
>
> Jessica McKellar
>
> David Mertz
>
> Doug Napoleone
>
> Jesse Noller
>
> Tim Peters
>
> * *
>
> *2012** New Sponsor Member:*
>
> * *
>
> Lincoln Loop, http://lincolnloop.com/,    since April 2012, represented
> by Peter Baumgartner
>
>
>
> *2012** - New Nominated Members:*
>
>
>
> Tim Ansell
>
> Martin Aspeli
>
> Henrique Bastos
>
> Benoit Chesneau
>
> Jan Ulrich Hasecke
>
>
>
> Larry Hastings
>
> Stephen Hawkes
>
> Ewa Jodlowska
>
> Andreas Jung
>
> Noah Kantrowitz
>
>
>
> Peter Kropf
>
> Jannis Leidel
>
> Paul MdMillan
>
> Carl Meyer
>
> Luciano Ramalho
>
>
>
> Kenneth Reitz
>
> Armin Ronacher
>
> Michelle Rowley
>
> Tres Seaver
>
> Hanno Schlichting
>
>
>
> Armin Stro?-Radschinski
>
> Christian Theune
>
> Giles Thomas
>
> Nicholas H. Tollervey
>
> Wilfredo Sanchez Vega
>
>
>
> Chris Withers
>
> * *
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
>



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From patcam at python.org  Fri May  4 17:35:49 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:35:49 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
	=?windows-1252?q?2nd_Request_2012_Officers=2C_Dire?=
	=?windows-1252?q?ctors=2C_and_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Post?=
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References: <CAFy_4dKqqeQnQqH5ChapxJEkVVW=f4Uso9m2cxP6m1RbtgB-SQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:

> Hi Luciano:
>
> Please see the request already placed with the pydotorg team to
> have the "membership roster" webpage updated.
>
> Please see email below.
>
> However, please feel free to contact the pydotorg team directly.
>
> Thank-you for offering the extra hand!!
> Pat
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pydotorg Team:
>>
>>
>>
>> Please add the 2012 new PSF officers, directors, and members to the
>> ?Membership Roster? webpage:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.python.org/psf/members/
>>
>>
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *2012 ? Officers*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> President: Guido van Rossum
>>
>> Chairman: Steve Holden
>>
>> Vice Chair/Chair-Elect: Van Lindberg
>>
>> Secretary: Pat Campbell
>>
>> Treasurer: Kurt Kaiser
>>
>> Communications: Brian Curtin
>>
>> PyCon Chair: Jesse Noller
>>
>> Events Coordinator: Eva Jodlowska
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *2012 ? Directors*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> Brian Curtin
>>
>> Steve Holden
>>
>> Andrew Kuchling
>>
>> Marc-Andr? Lemburg
>>
>> Van Lindberg
>>
>> Martin v. L?wis
>>
>> Jessica McKellar
>>
>> David Mertz
>>
>> Doug Napoleone
>>
>> Jesse Noller
>>
>> Tim Peters
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *2012** New Sponsor Member:*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> Lincoln Loop, http://lincolnloop.com/,    since April 2012, represented
>> by Peter Baumgartner
>>
>>
>>
>> *2012** - New Nominated Members:*
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Ansell
>>
>> Martin Aspeli
>>
>> Henrique Bastos
>>
>> Benoit Chesneau
>>
>> Jan Ulrich Hasecke
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Hastings
>>
>> Stephen Hawkes
>>
>> Ewa Jodlowska
>>
>> Andreas Jung
>>
>> Noah Kantrowitz
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Kropf
>>
>> Jannis Leidel
>>
>> Paul MdMillan
>>
>> Carl Meyer
>>
>> Luciano Ramalho
>>
>>
>>
>> Kenneth Reitz
>>
>> Armin Ronacher
>>
>> Michelle Rowley
>>
>> Tres Seaver
>>
>> Hanno Schlichting
>>
>>
>>
>> Armin Stro?-Radschinski
>>
>> Christian Theune
>>
>> Giles Thomas
>>
>> Nicholas H. Tollervey
>>
>> Wilfredo Sanchez Vega
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Withers
>>
>> * *
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pat Campbell
>> PSF Administrator/Secretary
>> patcam at python.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
>



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From brian at python.org  Fri May  4 18:47:27 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:47:27 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
	=?windows-1252?q?2nd_Request_2012_Officers=2C_Dire?=
	=?windows-1252?q?ctors=2C_and_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Post?=
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dKqqeQnQqH5ChapxJEkVVW=f4Uso9m2cxP6m1RbtgB-SQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4dKqqeQnQqH5ChapxJEkVVW=f4Uso9m2cxP6m1RbtgB-SQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwpRCHq3xXOVS5m2J3xSq1kOT7fJBNsydTi0c3Y2xDBSRg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> Hi Luciano:
>
> Please see the request already placed with the pydotorg team to
> have the "membership roster" webpage updated.
>
> Please see email below.
>
> However, please feel free to contact the pydotorg team directly.
>
> Thank-you for offering the extra hand!!

Officers updated, directors updated (and alphabetized like the other
lists), Lincoln Loop added, all new members added in.

http://www.python.org/psf/members/

From patcam at python.org  Fri May  4 19:06:22 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:06:22 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www]
	=?windows-1252?q?2nd_Request_2012_Officers=2C_Dire?=
	=?windows-1252?q?ctors=2C_and_Members_of_the_PSF_=96_Please_Post?=
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwpRCHq3xXOVS5m2J3xSq1kOT7fJBNsydTi0c3Y2xDBSRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4dKqqeQnQqH5ChapxJEkVVW=f4Uso9m2cxP6m1RbtgB-SQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwpRCHq3xXOVS5m2J3xSq1kOT7fJBNsydTi0c3Y2xDBSRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKTJgkWTy6x_x-RWm_aqR_69DgM_cpWfdHLu_vj=jGoTA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank-you Brian for the quick turnaround.

Pat

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> > Hi Luciano:
> >
> > Please see the request already placed with the pydotorg team to
> > have the "membership roster" webpage updated.
> >
> > Please see email below.
> >
> > However, please feel free to contact the pydotorg team directly.
> >
> > Thank-you for offering the extra hand!!
>
> Officers updated, directors updated (and alphabetized like the other
> lists), Lincoln Loop added, all new members added in.
>
> http://www.python.org/psf/members/
>



-- 
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From chris at python.org  Fri May  4 19:27:51 2012
From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 18:27:51 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Using the python.org www repository with git
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmpxBLy5G-o9cWSENPZrDXc2g9ROaX0yiYX=zAPZPOtFdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPTjJmpxBLy5G-o9cWSENPZrDXc2g9ROaX0yiYX=zAPZPOtFdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FA41197.1070006@python.org>

Hi Chris,

Never tried, but if you get a successful clone I'd be interested in a copy!

cheers,

(another) Chris

On 04/05/2012 11:38, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Has anyone used git-svn with the pydotorg repository? I'm having a bit
> of trouble cloning the repository (aka checking it out); am hoping I
> don't have to hunt down a Windows svn client.
>
> $ git svn clone -s svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org pywww
> Initialized empty Git repository in c:/pywww/.git/
> Using higher level of URL:
> svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org/trunk/beta.python.org =>
> svn+ssh://pydotorg at svn.python.org
> W: Ignoring error from SVN, path probably does not exist: (160013):
> Filesystem has no item: File not found: revision 100, path
> '/trunk/beta.python.org'
> W: Do not be alarmed at the above message git-svn is just searching
> aggressively for old history.
> This may take a while on large repositories
> Checked through r8600
>
> At this point it stalled for a long time (not sure how long, but long
> enough that I was wondering if it had died completely - probably ten
> minutes or more). Then after a while it silently gave me back a
> prompt. However, the new pywww directory has about 25KB in it, which
> is not nearly enough for even current status, much less history.
>
> $ git status
> # On branch master
> #
> # Initial commit
> #
> nothing to commit (create/copy files and use "git add" to track)
>
> $ git log
> fatal: bad default revision 'HEAD'
>
> Have I done something hopelessly wrong? If nobody knows what's going
> on, I'll switch to a "real" Subversion client, but it would be more
> convenient to work this way.
>
> I'm currently re-cloning the repository without the -s (standard
> setup) option, to see if that makes any difference.
>
> Chris Angelico
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Sat May  5 01:50:39 2012
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:50:39 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Using the python.org www repository with git
In-Reply-To: <4FA41197.1070006@python.org>
References: <CAPTjJmpxBLy5G-o9cWSENPZrDXc2g9ROaX0yiYX=zAPZPOtFdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FA41197.1070006@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmoyBE_xUGSafbGTvfcRvN5Fj73pb9Q4bOvrk97apPgeyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Chris Withers <chris at python.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Never tried, but if you get a successful clone I'd be interested in a copy!

I may need to abandon this. The second clone attempt ran for hours and
hours, more successfully than the original, but still eventually died.

> cheers,
>
> (another) Chris

Yes, there are a lot of geeky Chrises! I'm of the opinion that it's
not a coincidence. My brother Michael has noted that there are a lot
of other Michaels who trainspot, too. People fit their names.

ChrisA

From rosuav at gmail.com  Sun May  6 08:58:39 2012
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:58:39 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Using the python.org www repository with git
In-Reply-To: <4FA41197.1070006@python.org>
References: <CAPTjJmpxBLy5G-o9cWSENPZrDXc2g9ROaX0yiYX=zAPZPOtFdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4FA41197.1070006@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmpM_U0Sk8HRt_E1TALa88+NZXwH5KSVauXsb=AK9EMFuQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Chris Withers <chris at python.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Never tried, but if you get a successful clone I'd be interested in a copy!

Alas, the problem has bested me. I gave in, installed TortoiseSVN, and
made a Subversion checkout instead. Ah well.

It's entirely possible that this is because my internet connection
isn't perfectly stable (I use the glitchy one for personal jobs to
keep the more reliable one unclogged for my servers); perhaps someone
who can keep a session active for six hours or more unglitched would
be able to do this.

ChrisA

From amk at amk.ca  Wed May  9 00:10:17 2012
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:10:17 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
Message-ID: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>

Jesse Noller and I have assembled a final draft of the RFP for the
python.org site redesign, as discussed on the psf-redesign list last
November.  This draft contains many of the suggestions made in that
discussion.  Thanks for all the feedback!

	 http://readthedocs.org/docs/pythonorg-redesign/en/latest/

Please take a look; if there are any questions or comments, please air
them.

Jesse is busy with PyCon, so I will now be handling this redesign
effort (e.g. editing of this proposal, managing bids, answering
questions).  My thanks to Jesse for all of his work on this project.

The next step will be for the PSF board to vote on whether to publish
the RFP, depending on whether the Board is satisfied with its text.
The next board meeting is on May 21st.

Once accepted, the RFP will be officially published and the PSF will
begin soliciting bids over the next two months.  Assuming the RFP is
accepted on May 21st, that makes the deadline for bids July 21st.


Andrew M. Kuchling
Director, PSF
amk at amk.ca

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed May  9 07:37:06 2012
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:37:06 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
Message-ID: <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com>

On Tue, May 08, 2012, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> 
> 	 http://readthedocs.org/docs/pythonorg-redesign/en/latest/
> 
> Please take a look; if there are any questions or comments, please air
> them.

I'll try taking a more detailed look later, but unless I'm missing
something, a key issue is still not addressed: working with the existing
site maintainers.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

import antigravity

From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Wed May  9 13:20:22 2012
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:20:22 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
Message-ID: <FC5F3697-AE6E-468D-9C95-30A94B9E110C@voidspace.org.uk>


On 8 May 2012, at 23:10, A.M. Kuchling wrote:

> Jesse Noller and I have assembled a final draft of the RFP for the
> python.org site redesign, as discussed on the psf-redesign list last
> November.  This draft contains many of the suggestions made in that
> discussion.  Thanks for all the feedback!
> 
> 	 http://readthedocs.org/docs/pythonorg-redesign/en/latest/
> 
> Please take a look; if there are any questions or comments, please air
> them.

From a preliminary read through it looks good - I like the requirement for offline editing. 

One of the big problems we have right now is the complexity of the toolchain and the work required to get new contributors. I'm really hoping the new system solves this problem. The combined capability of through the web edits and offline editing should make that easier. I might have some suggestions for making this (simplicity of administering changes, adding new contributors, and toolchain simplicity for offline editing) more explicit in the rfp. 

All the best,

Michael

> 
> Jesse is busy with PyCon, so I will now be handling this redesign
> effort (e.g. editing of this proposal, managing bids, answering
> questions).  My thanks to Jesse for all of his work on this project.
> 
> The next step will be for the PSF board to vote on whether to publish
> the RFP, depending on whether the Board is satisfied with its text.
> The next board meeting is on May 21st.
> 
> Once accepted, the RFP will be officially published and the PSF will
> begin soliciting bids over the next two months.  Assuming the RFP is
> accepted on May 21st, that makes the deadline for bids July 21st.
> 
> 
> Andrew M. Kuchling
> Director, PSF
> amk at amk.ca
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 


--
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May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
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http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From patcam at python.org  Wed May  9 16:51:11 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:51:11 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes -Approved- March 2012 -
	Please Post Online
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+iniLHMjO+aUB-aKdheTpNjrM_uPoXjxzUh1DSX9VPXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Pydotorg:

Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online,
http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/  at the usual web
locations:
please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for
March 2012.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Pat

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| The Python Software Foundation
| Minutes of a Regular Meeting of the Board of Directors
|
| March 26, 2012
|
| 

A regular meeting of the Python Software Foundation ("PSF") Board of
Directors was held over Internet Relay Chat beginning at 16:00 UTC, 26
March 2012. Steve Holden presided at the meeting. Pat Campbell 
prepared the minutes.

All votes are reported in the form "*Y-N-A*" (*in favor ??? opposed ???
abstentions*; e.g. "5-1-2" means "5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 2
abstentions").


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Attendance                                                                                                                                                                  
==========

The following members of the Board of Directors (8 of ll) were present at 
the meeting: Steve Holden, Marc-Andre Lemburg, Martin von L?wis, David Mertz
Jesse Noller, Tim Peters, Jeff Rush [arrived at 12:06 & left at 12:13], and 
Gloria Willadsen [arrived at 12:12 & left at 12:21]. Also in attendance were 
Kurt Kaiser (Treasurer) and Pat Campbell (Secretary/Administrator).


Minutes of Past Meetings
========================

The 27 February 2012 Board meeting minutes were voted on and approved.

   **RESOLVED**, that the minutes at http://mail.python.org/mailman/private
   /psf-board/attachments/20120310/15bff493/attachment-0001.txt represent 
   a fair and accurate record of the February meeting.

Approved, 5-0-1.


Votes Taken Between Meetings                                                                                                                                 
=============================

There was one (1) vote taken between meetings.

PSF Sponsor Membership Application from Lincoln Loop
----------------------------------------------------

   **RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop
   to the membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF.

Approved via email vote on February 29, 2012, 8-0-0. 


Treasurer Report                                                                                                                                                                                                                          															                                                                                           
================

The monthly Treasurer's Report was provided to Board members by K. 
Kaiser prior to the Board meeting and produced from Quickbooks Online.

Here is an exerpt from the treasurer's report on a few of the activities 
the treasurer has been focused on:

For the month of March 2012, the treasurer provided a sumation of the financial 
activities by saying:

     Our assets were up by 290K in February, reflecting the payments for
     PyCon registration and sponsorship.  This was matched by a similar increase 
     in liability.
     
     The next month will continue to be very busy financially, but the P&L
     won't show much change until we recognize the results of PyCon 2012.  At
     that point (triggered by settling accounts with the convention center
     and the hotels) the accrued expense and revenue will move to the P&L and
     our assets and liabilities will return to normal levels.
     
He reported on the revenue and expense below:

     Revenue:
     
        In the month of February, YTD income was up by 87K, primarily due to
        invoicing our PSF Sponsors for 2012 dues. Total equity rose to 476K.
       
        Donations for the month were $1811.
     
     Expense:
       
         Outside Services:
         Wendroff                             1,150
     
The treasurer goes on to say:     
     
     AR is up by 6K due to PyCon 2012 Sponsor and PSF Sponsor invoicing and
     collection activity..
     
Concerning the Honorary Associate Member Program (HAM), he said:    
     
     Associate Member program:
     
       At PyCon, the Chairman and I made sufficient progress on the Associate
       Member website (psfmember.org) to open it for enrollment.  Useful
       commments were received, resulting in improvements.  I expect this
       process to continue over the next few months.
     
       We still need to link psfmember.org to python.org and make the
       community aware of the Associate Member opportunity.
    
Kurt concluded his report with a list of financial business items he will  
be focused on, he said:     
     
   My focus is on PyCon wrapup, AR/AP reduction, the Associate program, and
   the increased activity and interest on the fiscal sponsorship front.


Progress Reports
================

The following board reports were submitted to the board mailing list
one week prior to this month's meeting. Please see a summary of each
board report listed below and a possible board discussion at the end
of the report(s):

Communication Status                                                              
--------------------

D. Hellmann, Communication Officer, reported on continued activities from
last month. He said:

   1. Send announcement email about the blog to various mailing lists
   (c.l.py, c.l.py.announce, etc.).

   Brian is planning an email campaign with the Outreach & Education
   committee, and the PSF blog may be included in the resources
   discussed there.

Doug also reported on the new activities for the month. He reported: 

   1. None
  
He reported the following information on the planned activities for next month:

   1. Via Steve Holden, we have some information to put together a story
   about Python's use in schools from David Coopersmith along with a
   student of his named Isaac. The same story involves some
   praise for the trademark committee, which may or may not go into the
   same post.

   2. Community service award posts for Audrey Roy and Carl Trachte.

   3. Post information about this summer's PyGames contest for students
   (http://www.summerpygames.org/).

As far as the ongoing projects for the month are concerned, he reported:

   1. Brian Curtin is working on a post about the video equipment
      purchased by the PSF and how it has been used to record conference
      talks and other events.
   
   2. Recruiting other people to help write for the blog.
   
   3. We are wrapping up the transition plan so Brian Curtin can take
      over as Communications Director around the time of the next Board
      elections this spring.
    
For tabled activities, D. Hellmann said: 

   1. PyCon video equipment loan/rental program post
   
      There was some discussion of offering the PyCon video equipment to
      PUGs for their meetings, but the mechanism to do it isn't in place,
      yet.
    

Marketing Material                                                                                                                        
------------------

M.A.Lemburg, Marketing Material Project Manager, provided a summary
of his work. He said:

   The project is lead by Marc-Andr? Lemburg who is in contact with
   the people behind the Plone brochure created by the German Zope
   User Group (DZUG): Jan Ulrich Hasecke and Armin Stro?-Radschinski.

   We started working on the concept a few weeks after World Plone Day
   in April 2010 and had several meetings and conference calls to take
   the idea forward.

   For more details, please see the brochure support site at:

      http://brochure.getpython.info/learn-more

Marc-Andr? also reported on the progress of his project when he said:

   For PyCon US, we created a small teaser version of the brochure
   to get the attention of potential sponsors. The teaser was
   distributed to all PyCon US attendees in the conference bag.
   Unfortunately, no one of our team was present at PyCon US, but
   we had contact scouts available at the conference:
   
       http://brochure.getpython.info/newsletter/pycon-us-2012-special
   
   Here's the link to the PDF of the teaser, in case you missed
   it:
   
       http://brochure.getpython.info/media/flyer/python-brochure-pycon-us-
       2012-teaser-booklet/view
   
   Armin has setup a complete web shop solution to make it easy for
   sponsors to sign up:
   
       http://brochure.getpython.info/mediadata
   
   We have now finished the layout and texts for most of the
   brochure and are actively looking for sponsors.
   
   Sponsor Options
   ---------------
   
   There are 8 half-page ads available in the brochure and
   we want to have 30-40 reference sponsor entries as well.
   
   The reference sponsor entries are meant for companies
   providing Python services, have a fixed layout and provide
   a great value for money: the companies will not only be
   listed in 10.000+ copies of the brochure, but they will
   also each get a box of around 120 copies of the brochure.
   
   New Option: Educational Sponsorhip
   ----------------------------------
   
   We have also added a new sponsor option: the education sponsorship.
   This works much like the subscription sponsorship where a company
   can order extra brochure copies at very reasonable prices. The
   difference is that companies can order extra copies for educational
   institutions of their choice or of the PSF's choice. The bill will
   be paid by the company and the boxes will go straight to the
   institution.
   
   Please Help find Sponsors
   -------------------------
   
   We are trying to get the brochure ready in time for EuroPython 2012
   in July this year, but whether that works out depends entirely on finding
   enough sponsors in time to refinance the brochure production costs.
   The deadline for this is June 1st.
   
   If you know possible sponsors or are interested in sponsoring
   the brochure yourself, please check the available sponsorship plans
   we have available:
   
       http://brochure.getpython.info/sponsorship
   
   We will announce the call for sponsors on the usual lists, feeds
and our website, once we have the credit card system setup.

M.A Lemberg reported on the current issues the project is faced with.
He said:

   If you know of interesting projects or companies using Python
   to great things, please contact us and consider signing up as
   contact scout to provide on-site help at conferences or other
   events:
   
       http://brochure.getpython.info/signup/contact-scout-signup
   
   and, if you're interested in the project, please consider signing
   up to our newsletter:
   
       http://brochure.getpython.info/
   
   Thanks !

As far as the future plans for this project are concerned, he reported:

   If the project goes well, we'll follow up with a second edition
   of the brochure, Python flyers using material extracted from the
   brochure, translated versions of the brochure and also consider
   creating marketing material more targeted at specific user groups or
   application fields.
   
   In the long run, we'd also like to take the idea of producing
   marketing material beyond printed material and develop booth
   setups, giveaways, CDs, etc. to support conference organizers and
   local user groups wishing to promote Python at their events.
   

Moving PyPI to Amazon CloudFront                                                 
--------------------------------

The project leader, M.A. Lemburg, Moving PyPI to Amazon CloudFront,
reported on progress for the month:

"The project is currently on hold, since the team members don't have
time to put into this.

I'm beginning to believe that doing a sprint of sorts would likely
be the best way to move this forward, but I currently don't have more
cycles to spare (the brochure project has turned out to be very
work intense), so can't lead such an effort at the moment."

In terms of having any issues surrounding his project, M. A.
Lemburg reported no issues except one: he said, he just does not have 
enough time to devote to his Moving PyPI to Amazon CloudFront project.

M. A. Lemburg also reported on the future plans for this project:

"Check to see whether a trigger based approach to S3 syncing
wouldn't be easier to implement right from the start."


Sprint Committee    									                                      
----------------

J. Noller &/or B. Curtin, Sprint Committee Chair, reported that there
were no issues or blockages surrounding any sprint activities for the
month. 

As far as the continued activities from last month, he reported:

   1. Wrapping up the ledger project. All payments and expenses are
   currently listed in a Google Spreadsheet, and we had previously
   discussed adding a front-end (Google Form) for easier tracking of
   receipts.

On his report of the new activities for the month, He reported:

   The PyCon poster, split between Sprints and Outreach & Education, 
   went pretty well for both groups. It was a reminder to some, and 
   an introduction to most - either way, people seemed interested.
   
   No new sprint funding requests were received in this period.

In terms of the new activities planned for next month. He wrote:

   Begin another email and blog campaign to raise awareness of the group.
   The poster we ran at PyCon got fairly good traffic and I handed out
   about 70 business cards that we had made. A few people showed
   immediate interest, so hopefully another push in the coming month
   brings some groups to action.
   
As far as the ongoing projects for this committee, He said:

   Wrapping up of the ledger project.
   

Outreach and Education Committee
--------------------------------

D. Mertz, Outreach and Education Committee Chair, reported on the issues 
& blockages this committee was faced with for the month.

   - As a preface, I apologize for being so remiss in generating reports for the 
     Outreach and Education Committee during the last months. The committee itself 
     has been rather inactive since the November 2011 grant of $3300 to Boston Python 
     Workshop. The grant of $1200 to PyLadies to subsidize some attendance at PyCon
     was funded through the PyCon budget, but was also somewhat the result of 
     discussion by O&E (but all thanks and praise to Jesse for actually doing the
     specifics).

However, he also provided a list of planned activities. He wrote:

     - At the Pycon US conference, I was able to arrange a very productive in-person 
       meeting of many of the O&E members, as well as some additional observers who
       are likely to participate as members or advisors to the committee.  I believe
       we had 13 attendees to that meeting, and made much more concrete plans for 2012.
     
     Goals for 2012 and upshots of March meeting
     
     - Create a website to coordinate local user group and education events.  A 
       logical place to park such a site might be community.python.org (maybe
       events.python.org or pythoncommunity.org), with links to that subdomain from the 
       home page of python.org.
     
       ** Use clever geolocation on mentioned website to point user to "events in
          your local area."  (check out integration with grical.org)
     
       ** Provide means (an interface on the site itself; an ability to upload calendars 
          or link to external ones; etc.) for local user group admins to indicate events.
          Getting meetup.com events is probably pretty easy
     
       ** At the sprints at PyCon, Audrey created a basic template, and Tarek created
          a bit more fleshed out code for a website of this sort.  It should be hosted
          at a temporary server "real soon now."
     
       ** Brian Curtin has commit access to python.org, so can make minimal necessary
          changes to link python.org to such a community/outreach site.
     
       ** Move the existing python.org community information to new site.
     
       ** Form for requesting reimbursements of meetup.com fees
     
       ** Form for adding your user group event information (RSS feed)
     
       ** Map showing user group locations and upcoming events?
     
       ** Jessica has a blog post queued for pyfound on this, + will send mail 
          to UG organizers who asked
     
     - Revive the group-organizers mailing list.
     
       ** Contact local user groups to encourage their participation in the list.  
     
       ** Get someone from O&E to be an admin on that list.
     
     - Add user group material to pythonguide.org
     
     - Make it really obvious on the python.org front page that community is important.
     
     - What could happen to make http://python.org/community/ more welcoming / useful
     
     - Need to propose a budget for this year
     
     - Summarize what we've done so far in a report to the PSF at large
     
     - Do quarterly reports to the PSF (Jessica will do this)
     
     - Speaker exchange program
     
       ** This idea exists somewhere (people added themselves to a list saying they were 
          happy to speak), so let's revive it.
     
     - Revisit the user group organizer survey for more ideas
     
     - What do user groups need money for:
     
       ** food
     
       ** space
     
       ** travel for speakers
     
     - List of goals:
     
       ** Get 7 meetup.com fees covered
     
       ** Get 5 stories about us helping user groups get good speakers (doesn't have to 
          involve spending money)
     
       ** 10 grants for enabling 10 different user groups to achieve their goals 
          (diversity and outreach-focused)
     
       ** Grants for kids groups
     
     - Observation: "the less specific you are, the fewer grants you get"
     
     - Getting people from python-dev committed to GSoC (Brian will pull in 
  pythonmentors.com)


Google Summer of Code
---------------------

A. Riley, Google Summer of Code (GSoC), reported on the issues and/or 
blockages this program may be faced with. He said:

  None, smooth sailing so far.  

Arc also reported on the new activities for the month when he wrote:

  1. Applied and was accepted for Google Summer of Code 2012.
  
  2. Signing up mentors and umbrella orgs.  I'm speaking with
     each mentor personally this year to ensure we have clear
     lines of communication re: vacations, emergencies, etc.

A. Riley reported on the planned activities for next month. He said:

  1. Signing up umbrella orgs and working with prospective
     students until March 26th
  2. Student applications open March 26 to April 6th.
  
  3. Each umbrella'd org will review their applicants and get
     prerequisites (patch, interviews, etc) in until April 16.
 
As far as the ongoing projects, he reported:

  None - this year just began.


PSF Contracts and Contributor Agreement Forms
=============================================

Board members discussed and voted on a motion to clarify the 
current contract and contributor agreement form signature process.

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF secretary be authorized to sign 
   contributor agreements on behalf of the PSF.
   
Approved, 6-0-0.
   
   **RESOLVED**, that given no specific instructions on who is to 
   sign contracts required to implement projects approved by the Board 
   of Directors, the Chairman of the PSF is authorized to sign such 
   contracts on behalf of the PSF.
   
Approved, 5-0-1.
   
  
Kiwi PyCon 2012 Conference Funding
==================================

   **RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide NZD 1,000 for the Kiwi PyCon 2012 
   Conference to be held in New Zealand.
   
Approved, 6-0-0.

  
Increase Budget for the Outreach and Education Committee
=========================================================

Board members discussed and later withdrew a motion
to increase the annual budget of the Outreach and Education 
Committee from the 2011 budget of $5,000 to $10,000 for 2012.

However, this motion was temporarily withdrawn due primarily 
to a need to first finalize the books for PyCon US 2012.

   **RESOLVED**, that the Outreach and Education Committee 
   shall have authority to authorize PSF expenditure of up 
   to US$10,000 during the calendar year of 2012, to be spent 
   and divided as the Committee determines best assists in 
   promoting diversity with Python communities. No single 
   spending item shall exceed $2000 without prior approval 
   by the PSF Board.  Any commitment of PSF funds by the 
   Committee shall be subject to the voting procedure 
   adopted by the Committee and set forth in its July 2011 
   Committee report (http://mail.python.org/mailman/private
   /psf-board/2011-July/015026.html)
   
 Motion Withdrawn. 

   
PSF Adds Newest Employee to PyCon US
====================================

   **RESOLVED**, that the Foundation hire Ewa Jodlowska as 
   "PSF Event Coordinator" as an employee and officer of the 
   foundation focused on the continued management and success 
   of PyCon, at a salary agreed to between herself and the 
   board of directors.

Approved, 6-0-0.


Other Business                                                                                     
===============

None


Adjournment
===========

S. Holden adjourned the meeting at 12:57 UTC.

From brian at python.org  Wed May  9 18:08:16 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:08:16 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes
 -Approved- March 2012 - Please Post Online
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4d+iniLHMjO+aUB-aKdheTpNjrM_uPoXjxzUh1DSX9VPXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+iniLHMjO+aUB-aKdheTpNjrM_uPoXjxzUh1DSX9VPXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwoQtpk2eyvmwYMzM2630T-z69L8ZKeQBymKhaiFOQbGog@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> Hello Pydotorg:
>
> Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online,
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/? at the usual web
> locations:
> please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for
> March 2012.
>
> If you have any questions, please let me know.

Updated: http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2012-03-26/

From patcam at python.org  Wed May  9 18:11:42 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:11:42 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] PSF- Board Meeting Minutes
 -Approved- March 2012 - Please Post Online
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwoQtpk2eyvmwYMzM2630T-z69L8ZKeQBymKhaiFOQbGog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+iniLHMjO+aUB-aKdheTpNjrM_uPoXjxzUh1DSX9VPXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwoQtpk2eyvmwYMzM2630T-z69L8ZKeQBymKhaiFOQbGog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dJOH5R-s3XU0gGXcgyOhitTVKYzn_n94LNHKkH4+fimwg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Brian.

Pat

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> > Hello Pydotorg:
> >
> > Could you please post the following "PSF board meeting minutes" online,
> > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/  at the usual web
> > locations:
> > please see the attachment for the approved board meeting minutes for
> > March 2012.
> >
> > If you have any questions, please let me know.
>
> Updated: http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2012-03-26/
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From amk at amk.ca  Wed May  9 22:15:56 2012
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:15:56 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <FC5F3697-AE6E-468D-9C95-30A94B9E110C@voidspace.org.uk>
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On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:20:22PM +0100, Michael Foord wrote:
> I might have some suggestions for making this (simplicity of
  administering changes, adding new contributors, and toolchain
  simplicity for offline editing) more explicit in the rfp.

Please suggest away!  Bonus points if you want to provide suggested text.

The RFP does call for documenting APIs (in the Requirements section)
and in the Architecture & Maintenance section says:

    The system must also be reasonably well-documented, with at
    minimum instructions for installing the system and an overview
    describing the general architecture. Developers or content authors
    may wish to run the application locally for their own purposes, so
    the system must be installable for them.

--amk

From amk at amk.ca  Wed May  9 22:54:50 2012
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:54:50 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com>
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On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 10:37:06PM -0700, Aahz wrote:
> I'll try taking a more detailed look later, but unless I'm missing
> something, a key issue is still not addressed: working with the existing
> site maintainers.

I read your feedback from November while revising the draft, and did
put in some changes with your comments in mind.

First, the draft now envisions the system being initially written by
the bidder and then maintenance duties would increasingly be taken
over by the site volunteers.  From 'Architecture and Maintenance':

     Post-launch, we envision that PSF volunteers will perform most
     future improvements and maintenance tasks; the winner(s) of the
     bid may provide assistance, but does not carry the primary burden
     of supporting the system.

Bidders may low-ball their costs as an implicit donation to Python,
but I was worried that they'd be reluctant to commit to an unknown
timespan (3 years?  10?) of doing maintenance at a low-ball price.  So
the RFP now says that they'll likely hand it off to the volunteers.

Second, the paragraph before the one quoted above says:

	The system must also be reasonably well-documented, with at
	minimum instructions for installing the system and an overview
	describing the general architecture.  Developers or content
	authors may wish to run the application locally for their own
	purposes, so the system must be installable for them.

Here I was thinking of the Python release managers, who need to edit
the site only every six months or so, and therefore they forget how it
works between releases.  So this text tries to make it clear that
making our own installations is an expected use case.

Third, the section 'Selection process' says 'Bidders should feel free
to ask questions of the current maintainers or discuss their proposal
before final submission by posting to pydotorg-www.'  I didn't want to
*require* asking questions or posting drafts to pydotorg-www, because
that seemed heavy-handed, and I don't see how to mandate that they
actually read or act upon the feedback.  (Especially if the feedback
ends up being contradictory!)

So I did try to say that the maintainers are important.  Do you want
to provide some text clarifying how bidders should work with the
existing maintainers?

--amk


From chris at python.org  Thu May 10 08:45:04 2012
From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:45:04 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com>
	<20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
Message-ID: <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org>

Hi Andrew,

On 09/05/2012 21:54, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> First, the draft now envisions the system being initially written by
> the bidder and then maintenance duties would increasingly be taken
> over by the site volunteers.

How is this going to work with the job board?

I'm ambivalent about this.

I'm largely sure that I think the job board should split off into its 
own microsite at jobs.python.org. How do we go about making that happen?

Other than that, the ambivalence centers around the RFP. On the one 
hand, it'd be great to have a new system that supports both offline 
processing and online submission of jobs built by someone else...

...on the other hand, it'd be a nightmare if such a system didn't quite 
work, had to be maintained by the bidder, etc.

My gut feel at the moment is that it'll likely be easier all round to 
split the job board off into its own application and take it out of the 
scope of the RFP. This could initially be an ultra stripped down version 
of the current system featuring just the one page...

Thoughts?

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
             - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From techtonik at gmail.com  Thu May 10 12:24:16 2012
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:24:16 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <FC5F3697-AE6E-468D-9C95-30A94B9E110C@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<FC5F3697-AE6E-468D-9C95-30A94B9E110C@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xJdo=Qd4r-wnMpDnXUwYY1opyKK-Yx4J70UDVmPPoriaA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>
> One of the big problems we have right now is the complexity of the toolchain and the work required to get new contributors. I'm really hoping the new system solves this problem.

(disclaimer: the text below may hurt feelings, as usual, nothing personal)

The main problem is not the toolchain complexity, but the process,
people, and as a result - time required to get approval for changes. A
lot of open source Python projects have everything OK with the web
part, and python.org is a central for many of them. I doubt anybody
would resist from testing your skills against python.org challenge.
Unless discouraged.

Toolchain is the last reason why no volunteers step up to improve the
things. It starts with the pydotorg crew. If it was more inclusive for
new contributors, more open and thought about new volunteer's needs
instead of teaching "their own ways" or at least try to understand the
problems new people may have with the whole process, then the
situation can be different. I'd say that pydotorg crew should make the
first step to welcome new contributors and proactively attract them.
If pydotorg crew doesn't do this - it is dead. By attracting I mean
giving at least one talk about pydotorg stuff on each local PyCon,
listing current problems and reporint status. Right no there is no
even tracker - I have to open my own 'personal' tracker for python.org
just to list things I like to be fixed [1], [2].

Ideally, python.org could be an exemplary project where "eating your
own dogfood" principle could lead to the evolution of Python on the
web. A place, where design decisions could be weighed, argumented and
protected. There could be a book listing all historical approaches to
evolution of request processing in different frameworks. There could
be a DB listing user stories and problems encountered to match them
against one framework or the other. But, of course, there should be a
place first to discuss the development process and the ways to improve
it.

pydotorg development team is dead. It doesn't have name, doesn't have
members, goals and public place. From outside it looks that the team
is Martin alone, and his sole goal is getting stuff fixed - not
community support or making the stuff more attractive for newcomers.
There are some people who maintain python.org services in private
pydotorg mailing list (sorry guys, don't remember your names), and
while I suspect that they should be doing something important, I don't
really know what exactly they do. Last time I've tried to remove damn
/moin/ suffix from wiki.python.org, I have not only to persuade people
who don't use wiki as much as I do, but also teach how to do this
without any access to configuration files. I've tired.

There is no guarantee that buying python.org will make it alive. It
may have an opposite effect. I'd say the starting point is to make the
process open. Take OpenStack as an example. Ask them what is to be
open and how to make it work. It is not that I am not going to
persuade anybody myself - it just seem pointless from the point a
well-known troll. Why am I not doing anything myself? Well, until
`pydotorg` list is a closed list and public volunteers are not looking
more important than some "regents collective" (even if it is not so in
reality), my OCD doesn't allow me to concentrate on anything else.

I hope this raises some points.

1. http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue340
2. http://code.google.com/p/pydotorg/issues/list
-- 
anatoly t.

From martin at v.loewis.de  Thu May 10 14:10:55 2012
From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:10:55 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com>
	<20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org>
Message-ID: <20120510141055.Horde.HwChCVNNcXdPq7BP8b4kmtA@webmail.df.eu>

> I'm largely sure that I think the job board should split off into  
> its own microsite at jobs.python.org. How do we go about making that  
> happen?

I think I'm -1 on making a subsite. I like URL stability, so even if
the content maintenance of the jobs site works independent from the
rest, it should continue to be provided at its current URL.

> My gut feel at the moment is that it'll likely be easier all round  
> to split the job board off into its own application and take it out  
> of the scope of the RFP.

I'd personally wait and see what the outcome of the redesign is. Perhaps
you might even like the new site. But if not, it should be easy enough
to take the jobs list out of the management even after the fact.

That said, I think any contractor would have to know about the needs of
this particular application. It might be useful to ask bidders for a
separate quote on the job board, and then decide that the risk of wasting
that money (in case we don't use the new system for the jobs) is too high.

Regards,
Martin


From chris at python.org  Thu May 10 14:40:23 2012
From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:40:23 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <20120510141055.Horde.HwChCVNNcXdPq7BP8b4kmtA@webmail.df.eu>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
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On 10/05/2012 13:10, martin at v.loewis.de wrote:
>> I'm largely sure that I think the job board should split off into its
>> own microsite at jobs.python.org. How do we go about making that happen?
>
> I think I'm -1 on making a subsite. I like URL stability, so even if
> the content maintenance of the jobs site works independent from the
> rest, it should continue to be provided at its current URL.

I've always found it surprising that jobs.python.org doesn't exist.
I'd imagine about three 301 redirects would take care of existing urls...

> I'd personally wait and see what the outcome of the redesign is. Perhaps
> you might even like the new site. But if not, it should be easy enough
> to take the jobs list out of the management even after the fact.

Indeed, the job board has been something I've been thinking about a lot 
for the last couple of years. I even started a project to handle it:

https://github.com/cjw296/jobs.python.org

...before my working situation changed and doing the moderation offline 
turned out to be a requirement.

> That said, I think any contractor would have to know about the needs of
> this particular application. It might be useful to ask bidders for a
> separate quote on the job board, and then decide that the risk of wasting
> that money (in case we don't use the new system for the jobs) is too high.

I think it'd make the RFP simpler and cheaper to split it off before.
I'm offering to do that work ;-)

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
             - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From amk at amk.ca  Thu May 10 14:47:28 2012
From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:47:28 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com>
	<20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org>
Message-ID: <20120510124728.GA7993@datl9makuchling.home>

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:45:04AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> How is this going to work with the job board?

One major goal of the RFP is to make it easier to create sub-sites;
the RFP gives edu.python.org and mentors.python.org as examples, and
jobs.python.org would then be another such sub-site.

> I'm largely sure that I think the job board should split off into
> its own microsite at jobs.python.org. How do we go about making that
> happen?

The job page could be moved into its own repository -- I would include
all the templates and build scripts, too, so that the repository is
completely standalone. Someone on the infrastructure side would need
to set up the scripts/cron tasks/whatever to run a build after every
commit, as we do for www.python.org.  (This is the sticky point -- I
have no idea how quickly that task would be done.)  Finally the DNS
name jobs.python.org would be set up to point to the new build's
output.

> My gut feel at the moment is that it'll likely be easier all round
> to split the job board off into its own application and take it out
> of the scope of the RFP. This could initially be an ultra stripped

Note that the RFP doesn't explicitly mention the job board.  I see the
sub-site support as very important, even if the job board never uses
it at all.

--amk


From chris at python.org  Thu May 10 14:55:02 2012
From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:55:02 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Final draft of redesign RFP
In-Reply-To: <20120510124728.GA7993@datl9makuchling.home>
References: <20120508221017.GB5430@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<20120509053705.GA25182@panix.com>
	<20120509205450.GC7244@DATL9MAKUCHLING.local>
	<4FAB63F0.9010703@python.org>
	<20120510124728.GA7993@datl9makuchling.home>
Message-ID: <4FABBAA6.1080004@python.org>

On 10/05/2012 13:47, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> The job page could be moved into its own repository -- I would include
> all the templates and build scripts, too, so that the repository is
> completely standalone.

Yep, I'd be all for this, here seems as good a place as any:

https://github.com/cjw296/jobs.python.org

> Someone on the infrastructure side would need
> to set up the scripts/cron tasks/whatever to run a build after every
> commit, as we do for www.python.org.  (This is the sticky point -- I
> have no idea how quickly that task would be done.)

I can't imagine it's that hard ;-)

> Finally the DNS
> name jobs.python.org would be set up to point to the new build's
> output.

Yep.

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
             - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From patcam at python.org  Thu May 10 16:10:35 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:10:35 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Board Resolutions from the March 2012 Board Meeting
	- Please Post Online
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+K8C2cc+BLdJ_jU-7Wh92u+894kMkKHjTVS6XmTbw6jA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi pydotorg team:



Could you please add the following board resolutions from

the March 2012 board meetings to this web page:



http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/



Please see the list of board resolutions to be added below:

* *

*March 26, 2012 board meeting*



**RESOLVED**, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop

   to the membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF.



Approved 8-0-0 by email vote, 29 February 2012



  **RESOLVED**, that the PSF secretary be authorized to sign

  contributor agreements on behalf of the PSF.



Approved 6-0-0 by IRC vote, 26 March 2012



   **RESOLVED**, that given no specific instructions on who is to

   sign contracts required to implement projects approved by the Board

   of Directors, the Chairman of the PSF is authorized to sign such

   contracts on behalf of the PSF.



Approved 5-0-1 by IRC vote, 26 March 2012





**RESOLVED**, that the PSF provide NZD 1,000 for the Kiwi PyCon 2012

   Conference to be held in New Zealand.



Approved 6-0-0 by IRC vote, 26 March 2012



**RESOLVED**, that the Foundation hire Ewa Jodlowska as "PSF Event
Coordinator"

as an employee and officer of the foundation focused on the continued
management and

success of PyCon, at a salary agreed to between herself and the board of
directors.



Approved 6-0-0 by IRC vote, 26 March 2012



Thanks,

Pat





-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From brian at python.org  Sat May 12 20:38:41 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:38:41 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March
 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4d+K8C2cc+BLdJ_jU-7Wh92u+894kMkKHjTVS6XmTbw6jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+K8C2cc+BLdJ_jU-7Wh92u+894kMkKHjTVS6XmTbw6jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqHpDC7QBhz2o8YVaYyiczMVkUaY6vdZfR7gcMqFXNaGQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> Hi pydotorg team:
>
>
>
> Could you please add the following board resolutions from
>
> the March 2012 board meetings to this web page:
>
>
>
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/

The resolutions have been added:
http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/

From brian at python.org  Sat May 12 20:45:37 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:45:37 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Frank Willison Award Recipient for 2011 - Georg
	Brandl
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4d+1xXzaFYjJJsOtZ5JRuq6oXdgM7CzfA3+ezz0t4koMUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+1xXzaFYjJJsOtZ5JRuq6oXdgM7CzfA3+ezz0t4koMUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwrOLrZ40cpLZS74otnF8Y6aZqOJoPvA=kEbw3Yx1Vcrzg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> To:? pydotorg:
>
> Could you please add the bio information to the link below for the 2011
> Frank Willison Award
> recipient Georg Brandl:
>
> http://www.python.org/community/awards/frank-willison/

Updated. I waited a while to see if Georg wanted a picture to be
included but never heard back. I can always add it later, though.

From patcam at python.org  Sat May 12 20:54:35 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:54:35 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March
 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqHpDC7QBhz2o8YVaYyiczMVkUaY6vdZfR7gcMqFXNaGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+K8C2cc+BLdJ_jU-7Wh92u+894kMkKHjTVS6XmTbw6jA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwqHpDC7QBhz2o8YVaYyiczMVkUaY6vdZfR7gcMqFXNaGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dL=QCV8ARdEjQO=nsBriQoDD-HtexCZRpQ0+Lwbvju3yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian:

As usual, the webpage update looks good.

However, I need your help with correcting 1 minor item on the webpage.
I was hoping, if you could make a slight adjustment on the webpage (it
slipped
passed me when I was creating the draft sent for posting).

I noticed that the very first resolution on the webpage is an "email"
vote which took place on February 29, 2012, between the February &
March 2012 board meetings.

*RESOLVED*, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop to the
membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF.

Approved 8-0-0 by email vote, 29 February 2012
Is it possible to place the above resolution after the four, IRC vote, *26
March 2012*
resolutions?

Thanks in advance,
Pat






On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> > Hi pydotorg team:
> >
> >
> >
> > Could you please add the following board resolutions from
> >
> > the March 2012 board meetings to this web page:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/
>
> The resolutions have been added:
> http://www.python.org/psf/records/board/resolutions/
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From patcam at python.org  Sat May 12 21:51:03 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:51:03 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Frank Willison Award Recipient for 2011 - Georg
	Brandl
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwrOLrZ40cpLZS74otnF8Y6aZqOJoPvA=kEbw3Yx1Vcrzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+1xXzaFYjJJsOtZ5JRuq6oXdgM7CzfA3+ezz0t4koMUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwrOLrZ40cpLZS74otnF8Y6aZqOJoPvA=kEbw3Yx1Vcrzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKcsDEFYfhFB-JmWUDvfLBxGH9NRJ67n8xkHMUzHwUkag@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot Brian. I am so glad you caught this one :).

...the 2012 Frank Willison Award winner's (J. Noller), like past
recipients, should also be placed in a PSF news item (blog posting)
and also should be made available on the "Frank Willison" award
webpage.

But, there is no reason to jump-the-gun on this 2012 news-worthy item
yet, since the board vote on the 2012 winner has not become public
knowledge yet.

However, as soon as, the April 2012 board meeting minutes are approved
by the board, then I can send you an email requesting a blog posting around
the award & winner: Jesse's bio & recognition timeline information, etc.

In past years, Doug Hellmann may have collected the award recipient's
data from a collection of sources (including the PSF chairman).

Thanks,
Pat




On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Brian Curtin <brian at python.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> > To:  pydotorg:
> >
> > Could you please add the bio information to the link below for the 2011
> > Frank Willison Award
> > recipient Georg Brandl:
> >
> > http://www.python.org/community/awards/frank-willison/
>
> Updated. I waited a while to see if Georg wanted a picture to be
> included but never heard back. I can always add it later, though.
>



-- 
Pat Campbell
PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From brian at python.org  Sat May 12 23:56:43 2012
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:56:43 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March
 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dL=QCV8ARdEjQO=nsBriQoDD-HtexCZRpQ0+Lwbvju3yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+K8C2cc+BLdJ_jU-7Wh92u+894kMkKHjTVS6XmTbw6jA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAD+XWwpcYc5fQ8gxuzpVJQ5rSW7AUJrSQnMBC3dtGFbjLAeY-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> Hi Brian:
>
> As usual, the webpage update looks good.
>
> However, I need your help with correcting 1 minor item on the webpage.
> I was hoping, if you could make a slight adjustment on the webpage (it
> slipped
> passed me when I was creating the draft sent for posting).
>
> I noticed that the very first resolution on the webpage is an "email"
> vote which took place on February 29, 2012, between the February &
> March 2012 board meetings.
>
> RESOLVED, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop to the
> membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF.
>
> Approved 8-0-0 by email vote, 29 February 2012
>
> Is it possible to place the above resolution after the four, IRC vote, 26
> March 2012
> resolutions?

Good eye. The page is now updated with the correct order.

From martin at v.loewis.de  Sun May 13 09:49:32 2012
From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 09:49:32 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Frank Willison Award Recipient for 2011 - Georg
 Brandl
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dKcsDEFYfhFB-JmWUDvfLBxGH9NRJ67n8xkHMUzHwUkag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFy_4d+1xXzaFYjJJsOtZ5JRuq6oXdgM7CzfA3+ezz0t4koMUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+XWwrOLrZ40cpLZS74otnF8Y6aZqOJoPvA=kEbw3Yx1Vcrzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4dKcsDEFYfhFB-JmWUDvfLBxGH9NRJ67n8xkHMUzHwUkag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120513094932.Horde.w3hsUUlCcOxPr2eM4yqVmnA@webmail.df.eu>

> But, there is no reason to jump-the-gun on this 2012 news-worthy item
> yet, since the board vote on the 2012 winner has not become public
> knowledge yet.

The genie may be out of the bottle (since this list is publically available),
but I think the 2012 Willison award winner shouldn't be posted here until
the award is actually given by O'Reilly at OSCON 2012.

Regards,
Martin



From patcam579 at gmail.com  Sun May 13 05:56:25 2012
From: patcam579 at gmail.com (patcam579 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 03:56:25 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March
	2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online
Message-ID: <1736284734-1336880311-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574897939-@b17.c28.bise6.blackberry>

Thanks a whole lot Brian.

Pat
------Original Message------
From: Brian Curtin
To: Pat Campbell
Cc: pydotorg-www
Cc: PSF Board
Subject: Re: [PSF-Board] Board Resolutions from the March 2012 Board Meeting - Please Post Online
Sent: May 12, 2012 5:56 PM

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> Hi Brian:
>
> As usual, the webpage update looks good.
>
> However, I need your help with correcting 1 minor item on the webpage.
> I was hoping, if you could make a slight adjustment on the webpage (it
> slipped
> passed me when I was creating the draft sent for posting).
>
> I noticed that the very first resolution on the webpage is an "email"
> vote which took place on February 29, 2012, between the February &
> March 2012 board meetings.
>
> RESOLVED, that the Board of Directors recommend Lincoln Loop to the
> membership, as a future sponsor member of the PSF.
>
> Approved 8-0-0 by email vote, 29 February 2012
>
> Is it possible to place the above resolution after the four, IRC vote, 26
> March 2012
> resolutions?

Good eye. The page is now updated with the correct order.


Sent from my BlackBerry? by Boost Mobile

From nad at acm.org  Thu May 17 00:35:49 2012
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 15:35:49 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken links in /community/jobs/ section
Message-ID: <nad-EA216E.15354916052012@news.gmane.org>

Anthony Long reports in http://bugs.python.org/issue14834 that there are 
several broken links in the /community/jobs section of www.python.org:

http://python.org/community/jobs/
   http://python.org/community/jobs/www.austinfraser.com
     \_____ error code: 404 (not found)
   http://python.org/lumino.so
     \_____ error code: 404 (not found)
   http://python.org/community/jobs/www.osrecruit.com
     \_____ error code: 404 (not found)
   http://python.org/community/jobs/www.tech.myemma.com
     \_____ error code: 404 (not found)
   http://python.org/community/jobs/www.oxfordknight.co.uk
     \_____ error code: 404 (not found)

The broken /download links will be fixed by python-dev.

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu May 17 00:53:40 2012
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:53:40 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken links in /community/jobs/ section
In-Reply-To: <nad-EA216E.15354916052012@news.gmane.org>
References: <nad-EA216E.15354916052012@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmootd37U+L9gRMzv_VSF8mBpv5pVdrKkMyJSksRPXd9tQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ned Deily <nad at acm.org> wrote:
> Anthony Long reports in http://bugs.python.org/issue14834 that there are
> several broken links in the /community/jobs section of www.python.org:

Corrected in rev 14242, but this is my first edit on the site and I'm
not sure I did it right. Can someone check over it please?

ChrisA

From nad at acm.org  Thu May 17 01:23:27 2012
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:23:27 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken links in /community/jobs/ section
References: <nad-EA216E.15354916052012@news.gmane.org>
	<CAPTjJmootd37U+L9gRMzv_VSF8mBpv5pVdrKkMyJSksRPXd9tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <nad-3FDC81.16232716052012@news.gmane.org>

In article 
<CAPTjJmootd37U+L9gRMzv_VSF8mBpv5pVdrKkMyJSksRPXd9tQ at mail.gmail.com>,
 Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ned Deily <nad at acm.org> 
> wrote:
> > Anthony Long reports in http://bugs.python.org/issue14834 that there are
> > several broken links in the /community/jobs section of www.python.org: 
> Corrected in rev 14242, but this is my first edit on the site and I'm
> not sure I did it right. Can someone check over it please?

Looks good to me.  Thanks!

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From patcam at python.org  Mon May 21 14:35:19 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:35:19 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please add to
	Website
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKAQg=So6m8q_u7uiNNgu5QxmYuJprUOr-CAhRKUwsiDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pydotorg team:

Could you please add the new PSF sponsor member logo for Lincoln Loop,
to the sponsor web page http://www.python.org/psf/.

Their company logo is attached to this email also a link to their company
website
is http://lincolnloop.com.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks in advance,
Pat


On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Peter Baumgartner <pete at lincolnloop.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
>
> > Additionally, please feel free to provide us with your company logo along
> >
> > with a link to your company?s website in order for use to display and
> list
> > your
> >
> > company with all of our other PSF sponsors on this webpage:
> >
> >  http://www.python.org/psf/.
>
> Thanks Pat! Here's a logo suitable for web use and you can link to
> http://lincolnloop.com. I'll follow-up with the other folks on the
> rest.
>
> -- Pete
>



-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
patcam at python.org
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Mon May 21 23:56:53 2012
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:56:53 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please
 add to Website
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dKAQg=So6m8q_u7uiNNgu5QxmYuJprUOr-CAhRKUwsiDA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> Hi Pydotorg team:
>
> Could you please add the new PSF sponsor member logo for Lincoln Loop,
> to the sponsor web page http://www.python.org/psf/.
>
> Their company logo is attached to this email also a link to their company
> website
> is http://lincolnloop.com.

Added to repository, though not built as yet - can someone run a make
please? At least, I'm not seeing the change.

Chris Angelico

From martin at v.loewis.de  Tue May 22 00:06:59 2012
From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 00:06:59 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please
 add to Website
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmrDna=0uCH=b9aLw9fSk-PK6cEazKGm+mssPTU016Q74w@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAPTjJmrDna=0uCH=b9aLw9fSk-PK6cEazKGm+mssPTU016Q74w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu>


Zitat von Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com>:

> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
>> Hi Pydotorg team:
>>
>> Could you please add the new PSF sponsor member logo for Lincoln Loop,
>> to the sponsor web page http://www.python.org/psf/.
>>
>> Their company logo is attached to this email also a link to their company
>> website
>> is http://lincolnloop.com.
>
> Added to repository, though not built as yet - can someone run a make
> please? At least, I'm not seeing the change.

It should be automatic, see

http://www.python.org/status/

Regards,
Martin




From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue May 22 00:48:44 2012
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:48:44 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please
 add to Website
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References: <CAFy_4dKAQg=So6m8q_u7uiNNgu5QxmYuJprUOr-CAhRKUwsiDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPTjJmrDna=0uCH=b9aLw9fSk-PK6cEazKGm+mssPTU016Q74w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmqVMgvWFQH1xDoOML4qP9B8V6q5dRH-PRv+LAd=0Ak-sQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:06 AM,  <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
>
> Zitat von Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com>:
>
>> Added to repository, though not built as yet - can someone run a make
>> please? At least, I'm not seeing the change.
>
> It should be automatic, see
>
> http://www.python.org/status/

Hmm. Neither buildinprocess nor buildqueued lists anything (both are
404), but I'm not seeing the change on the live site yet. Is it a
periodic check or triggered?

My apologies, I'm not familiar with how this is set up.

ChrisA

From nad at acm.org  Tue May 22 04:42:39 2012
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:42:39 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please
	add to Website
References: <CAFy_4dKAQg=So6m8q_u7uiNNgu5QxmYuJprUOr-CAhRKUwsiDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPTjJmrDna=0uCH=b9aLw9fSk-PK6cEazKGm+mssPTU016Q74w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu>
	<CAPTjJmqVMgvWFQH1xDoOML4qP9B8V6q5dRH-PRv+LAd=0Ak-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <nad-B72380.19423921052012@news.gmane.org>

In article 
<CAPTjJmqVMgvWFQH1xDoOML4qP9B8V6q5dRH-PRv+LAd=0Ak-sQ at mail.gmail.com>,
 Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm. Neither buildinprocess nor buildqueued lists anything (both are
> 404), but I'm not seeing the change on the live site yet. Is it a
> periodic check or triggered?
> 
> My apologies, I'm not familiar with how this is set up.

Looks like your change was not quite enough.  Look further down on the 
page you modified (content.ht) at around line 314.

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue May 22 05:17:43 2012
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:17:43 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New PSF sponsor member: Lincoln Loop - Please
 add to Website
In-Reply-To: <nad-B72380.19423921052012@news.gmane.org>
References: <CAFy_4dKAQg=So6m8q_u7uiNNgu5QxmYuJprUOr-CAhRKUwsiDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPTjJmrDna=0uCH=b9aLw9fSk-PK6cEazKGm+mssPTU016Q74w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120522000659.Horde.w2LcTKGZi1VPuryDXxainAA@webmail.df.eu>
	<CAPTjJmqVMgvWFQH1xDoOML4qP9B8V6q5dRH-PRv+LAd=0Ak-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<nad-B72380.19423921052012@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmpB-c83TPE2g7WHPO9WYtKRfdZMjeYHgH9F+tdStzrB6g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ned Deily <nad at acm.org> wrote:
> In article
> <CAPTjJmqVMgvWFQH1xDoOML4qP9B8V6q5dRH-PRv+LAd=0Ak-sQ at mail.gmail.com>,
> ?Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmm. Neither buildinprocess nor buildqueued lists anything (both are
>> 404), but I'm not seeing the change on the live site yet. Is it a
>> periodic check or triggered?
>>
>> My apologies, I'm not familiar with how this is set up.
>
> Looks like your change was not quite enough. ?Look further down on the
> page you modified (content.ht) at around line 314.

Ah! Thanks. Got it! It's on the site now.

ChrisA

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri May 25 16:13:17 2012
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:13:17 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement?
Message-ID: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com>

Chris,

I don't think we should require anything close to "almost everything"
being Python for jobs.  For example, there are many web jobs where
JavaScript forms a large part of the job requirement.  Once you add SQL
and other technologies, even a formally Python job rarely has almost
everything in Python.

>From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate
for the Python Job Board.

Thanks,
Aahz


----- Forwarded message from Chris Withers <chris at python.org> -----

> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:25:26 +0100
> From: Chris Withers <chris at python.org>
> To: Amy Schoemehl <amy at tellapart.com>
> Cc: Sara Davis <sara at tellapart.com>, jobs at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pydotorg] Job listing for TellApart
> 
> Hi Amy,
> 
> On 22/05/2012 16:09, Amy Schoemehl wrote:
>>Technology Stack
>>
>>  * Home-grown TAFE <http://tellapart.com/serving-up-a-storm>(TellApart
>>    Front End) Pythonwebserver
>>  * Hadoopand Hivelog-processing and data analytics pipeline
>>  * Cutting-edge open source technologies all running atop Amazon Web
>>    Services
>>
>>
>>We run almost exclusively on Python, so I want to be sure it is clear in
>>our posting. If you think this insert will help, Sara can update the
>>text and send back today.
> 
> As long as it's clear that almost everything the successful
> candidate will be working on is in Python, that should be fine.
> 
> Please do the edits and re-submit and we should be able to post :-)
> 
> Chris
> 
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From chris at python.org  Fri May 25 16:54:09 2012
From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:54:09 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement?
In-Reply-To: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com>
References: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org>

Hi Aahz,

On 25/05/2012 15:13, Aahz wrote:
> I don't think we should require anything close to "almost everything"
> being Python for jobs.

I can't remember how much of the thread with Amy appeared on the list...
In this case, the OP has stated that "almost everything" to do with this 
particular job is done using Python.

Once that's clear in the posting, I'm happy to put it up. At the moment, 
the posting does not make that clear.

>> From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate
> for the Python Job Board.

It's more subtle than that for me; 50% Python 50% Java? No thanks. 50% 
Python, 20% html/xml, 20% css, 10% javascript? Maybe. 50% python, 30% 
databases, 20% sysadmin (puppet, chef, bash, etc), sure, why not.

However, whatever the case is, it helps both the candidate and the 
recruiter if the split is obvious from reading the posting.

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting
             - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat May 26 02:16:25 2012
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:16:25 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement?
In-Reply-To: <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org>
References: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com>
 <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org>
Message-ID: <20120526001625.GA13901@panix.com>

On Fri, May 25, 2012, Chris Withers wrote:
> On 25/05/2012 15:13, Aahz wrote:
>> 
>>I don't think we should require anything close to "almost everything"
>>being Python for jobs.
> 
> I can't remember how much of the thread with Amy appeared on the list...
> In this case, the OP has stated that "almost everything" to do with
> this particular job is done using Python.
> 
> Once that's clear in the posting, I'm happy to put it up. At the
> moment, the posting does not make that clear.

Gotcha.

>>From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate
>>for the Python Job Board.
> 
> It's more subtle than that for me; 50% Python 50% Java? No thanks.
> 50% Python, 20% html/xml, 20% css, 10% javascript? Maybe. 50%
> python, 30% databases, 20% sysadmin (puppet, chef, bash, etc), sure,
> why not.

I'd rather not think about that, it gets into ugly gray areas like the
extent to which Jython counts.  A simple heuristic is better IMO.

> However, whatever the case is, it helps both the candidate and the
> recruiter if the split is obvious from reading the posting.

That's certainly true!
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From chris at python.org  Mon May 28 17:36:49 2012
From: chris at python.org (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:36:49 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement?
In-Reply-To: <20120526001625.GA13901@panix.com>
References: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com> <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org>
	<20120526001625.GA13901@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4FC39B91.1080708@python.org>

On 26/05/2012 01:16, Aahz wrote:
>> > From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate
>>> for the Python Job Board.
>>
>> It's more subtle than that for me; 50% Python 50% Java? No thanks.
>> 50% Python, 20% html/xml, 20% css, 10% javascript? Maybe. 50%
>> python, 30% databases, 20% sysadmin (puppet, chef, bash, etc), sure,
>> why not.
>
> I'd rather not think about that, it gets into ugly gray areas like the
> extent to which Jython counts.

Indeed, I tend to do it on "feel" nowadays; is the recruiter just 
spamming a generic ad to as many places as possible or have they 
actually picked out the python job board for a reason? If the latter, is 
that reason one we're likely to agree with? ;-)

cheers,

Chris

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             - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu May 31 16:22:34 2012
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:22:34 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jobs: Python requirement?
In-Reply-To: <4FC39B91.1080708@python.org>
References: <20120525141316.GB24722@panix.com> <4FBF9D11.1050804@python.org>
	<20120526001625.GA13901@panix.com> <4FC39B91.1080708@python.org>
Message-ID: <20120531142234.GB23596@panix.com>

On Mon, May 28, 2012, Chris Withers wrote:
>
> On 26/05/2012 01:16, Aahz wrote:
>>>> From my POV, as long as Python is at least half the job, it's appropriate
>>>>for the Python Job Board.
>>>
>>>It's more subtle than that for me; 50% Python 50% Java? No thanks.
>>>50% Python, 20% html/xml, 20% css, 10% javascript? Maybe. 50%
>>>python, 30% databases, 20% sysadmin (puppet, chef, bash, etc), sure,
>>>why not.
>>
>>I'd rather not think about that, it gets into ugly gray areas like the
>>extent to which Jython counts.
> 
> Indeed, I tend to do it on "feel" nowadays; is the recruiter just
> spamming a generic ad to as many places as possible or have they
> actually picked out the python job board for a reason? If the
> latter, is that reason one we're likely to agree with? ;-)

Okay, fair enough.
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