From rdmurray at bitdance.com  Sat Feb  2 18:34:48 2013
From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:34:48 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] password recovery on wiki
Message-ID: <20130202173448.D3592250BC7@webabinitio.net>

I attempted to use the password recovery function of the python wiki per
instructions.  When I entered my username (RDavidMurray) and email
(rdmurray at bitdance.com) and clicked the button, I got the message at the top
saying that if the account existed an email had been sent.  However, looking at
my mail server log, there was no connection attempt from anywhere at that time.

Per instructions on the wiki, I am emailing this problem report here.

--David

From rdmurray at bitdance.com  Sat Feb  2 18:41:01 2013
From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:41:01 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] password recovery on wiki
In-Reply-To: <20130202173448.D3592250BC7@webabinitio.net>
References: <20130202173448.D3592250BC7@webabinitio.net>
Message-ID: <20130202174101.AE565250BC7@webabinitio.net>

On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:34:48 -0500, "R. David Murray" <rdmurray at bitdance.com> wrote:
> I attempted to use the password recovery function of the python wiki per
> instructions.  When I entered my username (RDavidMurray) and email
> (rdmurray at bitdance.com) and clicked the button, I got the message at the top
> saying that if the account existed an email had been sent.  However, looking at
> my mail server log, there was no connection attempt from anywhere at that time.
> 
> Per instructions on the wiki, I am emailing this problem report here.

Nevermind.  Ten minutes later the email arrived.  I should have waited
longer, of course.

--David

From michael at python.org  Tue Feb  5 01:36:35 2013
From: michael at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 00:36:35 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Updating feed on Planet Python
In-Reply-To: <CAAPh5Fn9T=kZ1x6he2qnATXQ8aeF-PLVg7CPxwgQu5pgYEeN7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAPh5Fn9T=kZ1x6he2qnATXQ8aeF-PLVg7CPxwgQu5pgYEeN7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D864D5F-2AD7-48E0-AF81-BEEC66CEBC5C@python.org>

Hello Malthe,

For inclusion on the Planet Python now we ask for a feed of *Python specific* articles. Would it be possible to provide us with the URL of a feed of posts in a Python category or tagged Python.

All the best,

Michael Foord

On 24 Jan 2013, at 13:58, Malthe Borch <mborch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Might someone update my feed to:
> 
>    http://www.maltheborch.com/rss
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> \malthe
> _______________________________________________
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> pydotorg-www at python.org
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May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 03:06:04 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 05:06:04 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki renames don't provide redirects for the old
	pages
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+L4aphxERrDgno3PLCnR2jh92Su4RBvC1PBEgNrB8dNA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't remember exactly, but ISTM previously Python wiki set a redirect
for the old name if a page was renamed. Now I had to fix all broken links
manually.
-- 
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Feb  5 08:53:52 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 08:53:52 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki renames don't provide redirects for the old
 pages
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+L4aphxERrDgno3PLCnR2jh92Su4RBvC1PBEgNrB8dNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8x+L4aphxERrDgno3PLCnR2jh92Su4RBvC1PBEgNrB8dNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5110BA90.4050609@egenix.com>

On 05.02.2013 03:06, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> I don't remember exactly, but ISTM previously Python wiki set a redirect
> for the old name if a page was renamed. Now I had to fix all broken links
> manually.

I don't think that was ever the case. The usual way to deal with this
is to add a redirect instruction to the old page. See
http://wiki.apache.org/general/WikiFrequentlyAskedQuestions

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 10:41:33 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 12:41:33 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki renames don't provide redirects for the old
	pages
In-Reply-To: <5110BA90.4050609@egenix.com>
References: <CAPkN8x+L4aphxERrDgno3PLCnR2jh92Su4RBvC1PBEgNrB8dNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5110BA90.4050609@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xJGdUO82ok4rxiW_JPCnxByjLaEyg++oNb+rn+KaowBow@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> On 05.02.2013 03:06, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> > I don't remember exactly, but ISTM previously Python wiki set a redirect
> > for the old name if a page was renamed. Now I had to fix all broken links
> > manually.
>
> I don't think that was ever the case. The usual way to deal with this
> is to add a redirect instruction to the old page. See
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/WikiFrequentlyAskedQuestions


The wiki correctly inserts #pragme redirected from into the new page
content. It should be possible to turn on the option to insert redirect to
the old name. I am not a Moin expert to know if such option exists though.
This page lists a workaround -
http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/RenamePageUpdatesLinkedPages
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Feb  5 10:57:46 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 10:57:46 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki renames don't provide redirects for the old
 pages
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xJGdUO82ok4rxiW_JPCnxByjLaEyg++oNb+rn+KaowBow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8x+L4aphxERrDgno3PLCnR2jh92Su4RBvC1PBEgNrB8dNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5110BA90.4050609@egenix.com>
	<CAPkN8xJGdUO82ok4rxiW_JPCnxByjLaEyg++oNb+rn+KaowBow@mail.gmail.com>
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On 05.02.2013 10:41, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 05.02.2013 03:06, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> I don't remember exactly, but ISTM previously Python wiki set a redirect
>>> for the old name if a page was renamed. Now I had to fix all broken links
>>> manually.
>>
>> I don't think that was ever the case. The usual way to deal with this
>> is to add a redirect instruction to the old page. See
>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/WikiFrequentlyAskedQuestions
> 
> 
> The wiki correctly inserts #pragme redirected from into the new page
> content. It should be possible to turn on the option to insert redirect to
> the old name. I am not a Moin expert to know if such option exists though.
> This page lists a workaround -
> http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/RenamePageUpdatesLinkedPages

There is no such option in moin for the reasons given on the page.

Please manually add those redirect pages, if you think they are needed
(e.g. because some external sites link to the old names).

-- 
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Feb  5 16:57:41 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:57:41 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Adding User Group Calendar to home page
In-Reply-To: <50F918CC.5050101@egenix.com>
References: <20130116163339.Horde.Zrsba1QvoipQ9shTLKSj0rA@webmail.your-server.de>
	<50F6C945.5000202@egenix.com> <50F91297.20602@python-academy.de>
	<50F918CC.5050101@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <51112BF5.4010100@egenix.com>

On 18.01.2013 10:41, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 18.01.2013 10:15, Mike M?ller wrote:
>> Am 16.01.13 16:37, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg:
>>> On 16.01.2013 16:33, mmueller at python-academy.de wrote:
>>>> Hi web team,
>>>>
>>>> Since the dates of Python events are split between the events calendar and the user group
>>>> group calendar it makes sense to add both to the python.org home page.
>>>> While the events calendar appears in left column, the user group calendar does not.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice to have the user group calendar there, just below and in the same style.
>>>>
>>>> This is the link for the iframe
>>>>
>>>> "https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=3haig2m9msslkpf2tn1h56nn9g%40group.calendar.google.com"
>>>
>>> Hi Mike,
>>>
>>> this was done on purpose, since we first wanted to see whether the
>>> user events clutter up the calendar too much. That doesn't appear to be
>>> the case, so it may be a good idea to add it as extra calendar box on the
>>> sidebar.
>>
>> Good. I would like to add more user group events and invite others to
>> submit theirs. Right now I cannot find a link from the python.org site
>> anywhere. I think I need to supply such link to encourage people to add
>> an event. Of course, the link was on the a wiki page. But having it from
>> other places too might not be that bad an idea.
> 
> Are you looking for this ?
> 
> http://pycon.org/#calendar
> 
>> Regarding clutter, one of the intentions of having two different calendars
>> for conference-like events and user group meetings was to prevent clutter.
>> The way the box is set up, it shows only the most recent events. Therefore,
>> the worst that can happen that you see only events that are today because
>> there are so many of them. You need to click on the box anyway to see more
>> details.
> 
> True. I can add the new box next week.

I've added the box now. The next site rebuild should make the
change visible.

David, could you perhaps trigger a site rebuild ?

Thanks,
-- 
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From frank at python.org  Thu Feb  7 01:00:35 2013
From: frank at python.org (Frank Wierzbicki)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:00:35 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jython wiki permissions
Message-ID: <CADrh4zJFMagcBSei0=n_JD=q1UHqDROOfTaF8TcQKJGBtORpkw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I see a bunch of spam when I look here:

http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges

And I don't seem to have the right permissions to use the "despam"
feature. Is this the right list to ask on?

-Frank

From mal at egenix.com  Thu Feb  7 01:04:23 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 01:04:23 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jython wiki permissions
In-Reply-To: <CADrh4zJFMagcBSei0=n_JD=q1UHqDROOfTaF8TcQKJGBtORpkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADrh4zJFMagcBSei0=n_JD=q1UHqDROOfTaF8TcQKJGBtORpkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5112EF87.3010101@egenix.com>

On 07.02.2013 01:00, Frank Wierzbicki wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I see a bunch of spam when I look here:
> 
> http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges
> 
> And I don't seem to have the right permissions to use the "despam"
> feature. Is this the right list to ask on?

Yes.

You are listed in the AdminGroup so should have permission to
run the despam feature:

http://wiki.python.org/jython/AdminGroup

Please make sure you log in first before trying. If it doesn't
work, I can double-check the configuration tomorrow. This was
reset to the state it was in on June 24 2012, so if there any
changes between then and now, we'd have to restore those changes.

-- 
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________________________________________________________________________

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From fwierzbicki at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 01:13:13 2013
From: fwierzbicki at gmail.com (fwierzbicki at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:13:13 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jython wiki permissions
In-Reply-To: <5112EF87.3010101@egenix.com>
References: <CADrh4zJFMagcBSei0=n_JD=q1UHqDROOfTaF8TcQKJGBtORpkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5112EF87.3010101@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <CADrh4zJ80sVG3e+x4NQA+tNcW=7NWTUhZ8dUjN2y__nhczwzBA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> On 07.02.2013 01:00, Frank Wierzbicki wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I see a bunch of spam when I look here:
>>
>> http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges
>>
>> And I don't seem to have the right permissions to use the "despam"
>> feature. Is this the right list to ask on?
>
> Yes.
>
> You are listed in the AdminGroup so should have permission to
> run the despam feature:
>
> http://wiki.python.org/jython/AdminGroup
>
> Please make sure you log in first before trying. If it doesn't
> work, I can double-check the configuration tomorrow. This was
> reset to the state it was in on June 24 2012, so if there any
> changes between then and now, we'd have to restore those changes.
I logged out and in again just in case. Logged in as FrankWierzbicki
and clicking on "despam" gives me:

You are not allowed to use this action.

I do see myself in the AdminGroup, so maybe the config is goofed up. I
haven't ever tried to use "despam" before, so this may never have
worked for me.

-Frank

From mal at egenix.com  Thu Feb  7 01:40:35 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 01:40:35 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jython wiki permissions
In-Reply-To: <CADrh4zJ80sVG3e+x4NQA+tNcW=7NWTUhZ8dUjN2y__nhczwzBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADrh4zJFMagcBSei0=n_JD=q1UHqDROOfTaF8TcQKJGBtORpkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5112EF87.3010101@egenix.com>
	<CADrh4zJ80sVG3e+x4NQA+tNcW=7NWTUhZ8dUjN2y__nhczwzBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5112F803.4040902@egenix.com>

On 07.02.2013 01:13, fwierzbicki at gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>> On 07.02.2013 01:00, Frank Wierzbicki wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I see a bunch of spam when I look here:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges
>>>
>>> And I don't seem to have the right permissions to use the "despam"
>>> feature. Is this the right list to ask on?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> You are listed in the AdminGroup so should have permission to
>> run the despam feature:
>>
>> http://wiki.python.org/jython/AdminGroup
>>
>> Please make sure you log in first before trying. If it doesn't
>> work, I can double-check the configuration tomorrow. This was
>> reset to the state it was in on June 24 2012, so if there any
>> changes between then and now, we'd have to restore those changes.
> I logged out and in again just in case. Logged in as FrankWierzbicki
> and clicking on "despam" gives me:
> 
> You are not allowed to use this action.
> 
> I do see myself in the AdminGroup, so maybe the config is goofed up. I
> haven't ever tried to use "despam" before, so this may never have
> worked for me.

Turns out this action is only available to the SuperUser, which is
a feature only used during installation of moin:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnSpam

I guess the best you can do is delete the pages. We could also
disable the resp. accounts.

-- 
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From fwierzbicki at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 02:01:51 2013
From: fwierzbicki at gmail.com (fwierzbicki at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 17:01:51 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jython wiki permissions
In-Reply-To: <5112F803.4040902@egenix.com>
References: <CADrh4zJFMagcBSei0=n_JD=q1UHqDROOfTaF8TcQKJGBtORpkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5112EF87.3010101@egenix.com>
	<CADrh4zJ80sVG3e+x4NQA+tNcW=7NWTUhZ8dUjN2y__nhczwzBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5112F803.4040902@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <CADrh4zJ_HA8Ui9+4icxqi7hS8wkgxtDKop8k3dQVTcbihHdyPg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:40 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> Turns out this action is only available to the SuperUser, which is
> a feature only used during installation of moin:
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnSpam
>
> I guess the best you can do is delete the pages. We could also
> disable the resp. accounts.
Page delete works fine, thanks - and sorry for the noise!

-Frank

From mmueller at python-academy.de  Thu Feb  7 08:29:25 2013
From: mmueller at python-academy.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mike_M=FCller?=)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 08:29:25 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Adding User Group Calendar to home page
In-Reply-To: <51112BF5.4010100@egenix.com>
References: <20130116163339.Horde.Zrsba1QvoipQ9shTLKSj0rA@webmail.your-server.de>
	<50F6C945.5000202@egenix.com> <50F91297.20602@python-academy.de>
	<50F918CC.5050101@egenix.com> <51112BF5.4010100@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <511357D5.6080409@python-academy.de>

Am 05.02.13 16:57, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg:
> On 18.01.2013 10:41, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> On 18.01.2013 10:15, Mike M?ller wrote:
>>> Am 16.01.13 16:37, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg:
>>>> On 16.01.2013 16:33, mmueller at python-academy.de wrote:
>>>>> Hi web team,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the dates of Python events are split between the events calendar and the user group
>>>>> group calendar it makes sense to add both to the python.org home page.
>>>>> While the events calendar appears in left column, the user group calendar does not.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be nice to have the user group calendar there, just below and in the same style.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the link for the iframe
>>>>>
>>>>> "https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=3haig2m9msslkpf2tn1h56nn9g%40group.calendar.google.com"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>
>>>> this was done on purpose, since we first wanted to see whether the
>>>> user events clutter up the calendar too much. That doesn't appear to be
>>>> the case, so it may be a good idea to add it as extra calendar box on the
>>>> sidebar.
>>>
>>> Good. I would like to add more user group events and invite others to
>>> submit theirs. Right now I cannot find a link from the python.org site
>>> anywhere. I think I need to supply such link to encourage people to add
>>> an event. Of course, the link was on the a wiki page. But having it from
>>> other places too might not be that bad an idea.
>>
>> Are you looking for this ?
>>
>> http://pycon.org/#calendar
>>
>>> Regarding clutter, one of the intentions of having two different calendars
>>> for conference-like events and user group meetings was to prevent clutter.
>>> The way the box is set up, it shows only the most recent events. Therefore,
>>> the worst that can happen that you see only events that are today because
>>> there are so many of them. You need to click on the box anyway to see more
>>> details.
>>
>> True. I can add the new box next week.
> 
> I've added the box now. The next site rebuild should make the
> change visible.

Great. Now we have a better case in asking user groups for their meeting dates.
python.org is easy enough to remember as the direct entry point for your search
for user group meeting dates. :)

Mike

> David, could you perhaps trigger a site rebuild ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 


From mal at egenix.com  Thu Feb  7 08:31:44 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 08:31:44 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Adding User Group Calendar to home page
In-Reply-To: <511357D5.6080409@python-academy.de>
References: <20130116163339.Horde.Zrsba1QvoipQ9shTLKSj0rA@webmail.your-server.de>
	<50F6C945.5000202@egenix.com> <50F91297.20602@python-academy.de>
	<50F918CC.5050101@egenix.com> <51112BF5.4010100@egenix.com>
	<511357D5.6080409@python-academy.de>
Message-ID: <51135860.3020709@egenix.com>

On 07.02.2013 08:29, Mike M?ller wrote:
> Am 05.02.13 16:57, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg:
>> On 18.01.2013 10:41, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> On 18.01.2013 10:15, Mike M?ller wrote:
>>>> Am 16.01.13 16:37, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg:
>>>>> On 16.01.2013 16:33, mmueller at python-academy.de wrote:
>>>>>> Hi web team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the dates of Python events are split between the events calendar and the user group
>>>>>> group calendar it makes sense to add both to the python.org home page.
>>>>>> While the events calendar appears in left column, the user group calendar does not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be nice to have the user group calendar there, just below and in the same style.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the link for the iframe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=3haig2m9msslkpf2tn1h56nn9g%40group.calendar.google.com"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> this was done on purpose, since we first wanted to see whether the
>>>>> user events clutter up the calendar too much. That doesn't appear to be
>>>>> the case, so it may be a good idea to add it as extra calendar box on the
>>>>> sidebar.
>>>>
>>>> Good. I would like to add more user group events and invite others to
>>>> submit theirs. Right now I cannot find a link from the python.org site
>>>> anywhere. I think I need to supply such link to encourage people to add
>>>> an event. Of course, the link was on the a wiki page. But having it from
>>>> other places too might not be that bad an idea.
>>>
>>> Are you looking for this ?
>>>
>>> http://pycon.org/#calendar
>>>
>>>> Regarding clutter, one of the intentions of having two different calendars
>>>> for conference-like events and user group meetings was to prevent clutter.
>>>> The way the box is set up, it shows only the most recent events. Therefore,
>>>> the worst that can happen that you see only events that are today because
>>>> there are so many of them. You need to click on the box anyway to see more
>>>> details.
>>>
>>> True. I can add the new box next week.
>>
>> I've added the box now. The next site rebuild should make the
>> change visible.
> 
> Great. Now we have a better case in asking user groups for their meeting dates.
> python.org is easy enough to remember as the direct entry point for your search
> for user group meeting dates. :)

Indeed. I've also added a small link make people aware of the
fact that adding events is easy.

>> David, could you perhaps trigger a site rebuild ?

Looks like David hasn't had time yet. I'll give it a try later today,
David doesn't beat me to it :-)

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From mal at egenix.com  Thu Feb  7 10:07:49 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:07:49 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Adding User Group Calendar to home page
In-Reply-To: <51135860.3020709@egenix.com>
References: <20130116163339.Horde.Zrsba1QvoipQ9shTLKSj0rA@webmail.your-server.de>
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On 07.02.2013 08:31, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> David, could you perhaps trigger a site rebuild ?
> 
> Looks like David hasn't had time yet. I'll give it a try later today,
> David doesn't beat me to it :-)

Done.

For some reason, the checkin handler had not done an svn update
in the new-build/ dir with the template, so I had to do that
manually on the server.

A couple of tweak checkins then triggered the rebuild of the site.

Aside: "make all" in the website/ dir returned an error:

$ make all
make: *** No rule to make target `SiteMap.html', needed by `all'.  Stop.

so I stopped trying to use the more direct approach for the
rebuild.

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From: janetobeid900 at yahoo.com.ph (Janet Obeid)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:37:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Invitation: DEAR BELOVED,
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From tannyr at gmail.com  Sun Feb 10 07:57:22 2013
From: tannyr at gmail.com (Tannyr)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:57:22 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Potential error found
Message-ID: <CAJaT20KxDVyxnQ9y+PJfKJnmgcBK8Uxa9eETbS9A3wf-rYT+5Q@mail.gmail.com>

*Source:*  http://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms

*Description: * The '8 line' example program is not displaying properly.
 Missing surrounding 'code box'.


*Current View:*

{{{#!/usr/bin/env python # This program adds up integers in the command
line import sys try:

   - total = sum(int(arg) for arg in sys.argv[1:]) print 'sum =', total

except ValueError <http://wiki.python.org/moin/ValueError>:

   - print 'Please supply integer arguments'

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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Sun Feb 10 13:23:56 2013
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:23:56 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Potential error found
In-Reply-To: <CAJaT20KxDVyxnQ9y+PJfKJnmgcBK8Uxa9eETbS9A3wf-rYT+5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJaT20KxDVyxnQ9y+PJfKJnmgcBK8Uxa9eETbS9A3wf-rYT+5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10 Feb 2013, at 06:57, Tannyr <tannyr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Source:  http://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms
> 
> Description:  The '8 line' example program is not displaying properly.  Missing surrounding 'code box'.
> 
> 
> Current View:
> {{{#!/usr/bin/env python # This program adds up integers in the command line import sys try:
> 
> 	? total = sum(int(arg) for arg in sys.argv[1:]) print 'sum =', total
> except ValueError:
> 
> 	? print 'Please supply integer arguments'
> }}}
> 

I've "fixed" it - however the wiki still seems to strip the "#!/usr/bin/env python" line.

Michael

> 
> 
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From mal at egenix.com  Sun Feb 10 13:37:05 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:37:05 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Potential error found
In-Reply-To: <AF485DB8-49CD-4A49-AF31-D754060C95AA@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <CAJaT20KxDVyxnQ9y+PJfKJnmgcBK8Uxa9eETbS9A3wf-rYT+5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10.02.2013 13:23, Michael Foord wrote:
> 
> On 10 Feb 2013, at 06:57, Tannyr <tannyr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Source:  http://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms
>>
>> Description:  The '8 line' example program is not displaying properly.  Missing surrounding 'code box'.
>>
>>
>> Current View:
>> {{{#!/usr/bin/env python # This program adds up integers in the command line import sys try:
>>
>> 	? total = sum(int(arg) for arg in sys.argv[1:]) print 'sum =', total
>> except ValueError:
>>
>> 	? print 'Please supply integer arguments'
>> }}}
>>
> 
> I've "fixed" it - however the wiki still seems to strip the "#!/usr/bin/env python" line.

That's normal. If you put a # on the first line of a preformatted
section, moin interprets this as parser directive:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnParsers

If you still want to have the line to show up, you need to
place it on the second line.

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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Sun Feb 10 14:16:56 2013
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:16:56 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Potential error found
In-Reply-To: <51179471.3070807@egenix.com>
References: <CAJaT20KxDVyxnQ9y+PJfKJnmgcBK8Uxa9eETbS9A3wf-rYT+5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF485DB8-49CD-4A49-AF31-D754060C95AA@voidspace.org.uk>
	<51179471.3070807@egenix.com>
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On 10 Feb 2013, at 12:37, "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> On 10.02.2013 13:23, Michael Foord wrote:
>> 
>> On 10 Feb 2013, at 06:57, Tannyr <tannyr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Source:  http://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms
>>> 
>>> Description:  The '8 line' example program is not displaying properly.  Missing surrounding 'code box'.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Current View:
>>> {{{#!/usr/bin/env python # This program adds up integers in the command line import sys try:
>>> 
>>> 	? total = sum(int(arg) for arg in sys.argv[1:]) print 'sum =', total
>>> except ValueError:
>>> 
>>> 	? print 'Please supply integer arguments'
>>> }}}
>>> 
>> 
>> I've "fixed" it - however the wiki still seems to strip the "#!/usr/bin/env python" line.
> 
> That's normal. If you put a # on the first line of a preformatted
> section, moin interprets this as parser directive:
> 
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnParsers
> 
> If you still want to have the line to show up, you need to
> place it on the second line.
> 

Well, there's a blank line above it but I guess moin ignores that. This snippet never worked presumably.

Michael

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 11 16:18:48 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:18:48 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] (PEP )?redirector service
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+=cmVwQhxoswbKNFLfEukcVR5CbWvXdbNVpjOwc9+-VA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

Right now to go to pep from an URL, you have to type exactly:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008

What is needed to create redirector service on peps.python.org that sends
all the following URLs to the page above?

http://peps.python.org/8
http://peps.python.org/pep8
http://peps.python.org/pep-08
http://peps.python.org/0008
http://peps.python.org/peps-0008

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From arbengjyrevci1 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  4 11:31:26 2013
From: arbengjyrevci1 at hotmail.com (beni123)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:31:26 +0100
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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Feb 11 20:30:10 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:30:10 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] (PEP )?redirector service
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On 11.02.2013 16:18, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Right now to go to pep from an URL, you have to type exactly:
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008
> 
> What is needed to create redirector service on peps.python.org that sends
> all the following URLs to the page above?
> 
> http://peps.python.org/8
> http://peps.python.org/pep8
> http://peps.python.org/pep-08
> http://peps.python.org/0008
> http://peps.python.org/peps-0008

I think it's better to link directly to the correct URL. If you want
shorter URLs, there are plenty URL shorteners out there. Many browsers
also allow customizing search, so you could add a PEP search to your
browser.

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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon Feb 11 21:31:07 2013
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:31:07 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] (PEP )?redirector service
In-Reply-To: <511946C2.3040107@egenix.com>
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On Monday 11 February 2013 20:30:10 M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 11.02.2013 16:18, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > Right now to go to pep from an URL, you have to type exactly:
> > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008
> >
> > What is needed to create redirector service on peps.python.org that sends
> > all the following URLs to the page above?
> > http://peps.python.org/8
> > http://peps.python.org/pep8
> > http://peps.python.org/pep-08
> > http://peps.python.org/0008
> > http://peps.python.org/peps-0008

A host entry on some level of DNS server and some Apache directives?

> I think it's better to link directly to the correct URL. If you want
> shorter URLs, there are plenty URL shorteners out there. Many browsers
> also allow customizing search, so you could add a PEP search to your
> browser.

There are always concerns about general link shorteners:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2010-September/587768.html

Some go beyond the practicalities, too:

http://www.selenic.com/pipermail/mercurial/2010-March/030444.html

As for browsers and custom searches, there are also search engines that 
recognise things like PEPs:

https://duckduckgo.com/bang.html

Amusingly, "!pep 8" sends me to the following, outdated location:

http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-8/

I seem to remember some discussion about shortening python.org URLs, but I 
can't find anything about it at the moment. It might be useful to have a more 
memorable way of referring to PEPs, but allowing all sorts of alternatives is 
just inviting people to rely on potentially bizarre spellings that one day 
may no longer work. See above for an example. ;-)

So, I think that peps.python.org is potentially a good idea and might be 
provided fairly easily with a rewrite rule, but too much magic is just not 
worth having: it's only when pages become completely undiscoverable 
that "guess the URL" becomes worthwhile, and then time would arguably be 
better spent improving navigation on the site concerned.

Paul

P.S. To take an example, typing dell.com/linux takes you to Dell's 
current "secret" page about Linux that you just know will be moved around, 
obscured in favour of "Dell recommends Microsoft Windows 8" "adverts", 
hidden, removed, lost, and so on, but that is only a useful shortcut because 
such sites make searching and navigation so awkward and awful otherwise.

From richard at python.org  Mon Feb 11 22:56:18 2013
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:56:18 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] (PEP )?redirector service
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+=cmVwQhxoswbKNFLfEukcVR5CbWvXdbNVpjOwc9+-VA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12 February 2013 02:18, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Right now to go to pep from an URL, you have to type exactly:
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008

Actually, I find typing "pep 8" into my browser's url bar gets me
there with one intermediate click :-)

[in much the same way I find IETF RFCs using "rfc 2822" in the url bar
for example]


> What is needed to create redirector service on peps.python.org that sends
> all the following URLs to the page above?
>
> http://peps.python.org/8
> http://peps.python.org/pep8
> http://peps.python.org/pep-08
> http://peps.python.org/0008
> http://peps.python.org/peps-0008

It would be a bit of work to set up and maintain for only a small
gain, I think.

   http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008
   http://peps.python.org/peps-0008

is only a few characters difference, and the need to type in all the
extra 0s only a small inconvenience I think.


     Richard

From mal at egenix.com  Tue Feb 12 10:23:00 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:23:00 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] (PEP )?redirector service
In-Reply-To: <201302112131.07853.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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On 11.02.2013 21:31, Paul Boddie wrote:
> So, I think that peps.python.org is potentially a good idea and might be 
> provided fairly easily with a rewrite rule, but too much magic is just not 
> worth having: it's only when pages become completely undiscoverable 
> that "guess the URL" becomes worthwhile, and then time would arguably be 
> better spent improving navigation on the site concerned.
> 
> Paul
> 
> P.S. To take an example, typing dell.com/linux takes you to Dell's 
> current "secret" page about Linux that you just know will be moved around, 
> obscured in favour of "Dell recommends Microsoft Windows 8" "adverts", 
> hidden, removed, lost, and so on, but that is only a useful shortcut because 
> such sites make searching and navigation so awkward and awful otherwise.

But the Dell example is a landing page URL. In the PEP context this
would take you to the PEP index.

Given that the PEP index does not move around a lot (we only do website
redesigns every 5-7 years ;-)) and that you only save typing "dev/",
I don't think it's a use case that warrants adding and maintaining
extra DNS and Apache magic.

BTW: If this idea has some followers, it may be a good idea
for them to setup a separate domain just for this purpose and
maintain a list of redirects into the various Python websites.

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From mal at egenix.com  Wed Feb 13 15:55:23 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:55:23 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Jython wiki spam (was: Jython wiki permissions)
In-Reply-To: <CADrh4zJ_HA8Ui9+4icxqi7hS8wkgxtDKop8k3dQVTcbihHdyPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADrh4zJFMagcBSei0=n_JD=q1UHqDROOfTaF8TcQKJGBtORpkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5112EF87.3010101@egenix.com>
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Hi Frank,

the Jython wiki is getting regularly spammed with link spam,
it seems:

http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges

I checked the registration page and it already has a textcha.

It may be worthwhile adding a new set of textchas to make
it a bit harder for them to sign up. Could you or the Jython
team provide some (in private mail) ? I can then configure
the system to use the new set.

Thanks.

On 07.02.2013 02:01, fwierzbicki at gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:40 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>> Turns out this action is only available to the SuperUser, which is
>> a feature only used during installation of moin:
>>
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnSpam
>>
>> I guess the best you can do is delete the pages. We could also
>> disable the resp. accounts.
> Page delete works fine, thanks - and sorry for the noise!
> 
> -Frank
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 23:34:58 2013
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:34:58 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Google snippets vs target page
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmoQS6W2ytNN6vkTd8R_NA-0Y0DLQtnM0Fzvoj4kYBSnaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if this is the place to raise this or not.

Often, when I do a Google search for Python docs, the displayed page
title and snippet show version 3.3.0 docs, but clicking the link takes
me to /2/ instead. Is there a discrepancy between the version seen by
the crawler and the redirect given to a browser? Has something changed
recently and this is just a transitional period? Is there some kind of
settable preference to say "give me version 3 docs by default" and I
just haven't seen it?

Chris Angelico

From mal at egenix.com  Thu Feb 14 00:05:49 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:05:49 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Google snippets vs target page
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmoQS6W2ytNN6vkTd8R_NA-0Y0DLQtnM0Fzvoj4kYBSnaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPTjJmoQS6W2ytNN6vkTd8R_NA-0Y0DLQtnM0Fzvoj4kYBSnaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <511C1C4D.4050301@egenix.com>

On 13.02.2013 23:34, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Not sure if this is the place to raise this or not.
> 
> Often, when I do a Google search for Python docs, the displayed page
> title and snippet show version 3.3.0 docs, but clicking the link takes
> me to /2/ instead. Is there a discrepancy between the version seen by
> the crawler and the redirect given to a browser? Has something changed
> recently and this is just a transitional period? Is there some kind of
> settable preference to say "give me version 3 docs by default" and I
> just haven't seen it?

Do you have an example ?

I just tried a few queries, but Google always shows 2.x docs
and also links to the 2.x pages.

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From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 00:14:09 2013
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:14:09 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Google snippets vs target page
In-Reply-To: <511C1C4D.4050301@egenix.com>
References: <CAPTjJmoQS6W2ytNN6vkTd8R_NA-0Y0DLQtnM0Fzvoj4kYBSnaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<511C1C4D.4050301@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmr4RUdJLvZS-r7-SN9gFnAzRHJoU86B9MzDBRuF4tUW8A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> On 13.02.2013 23:34, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Not sure if this is the place to raise this or not.
>>
>> Often, when I do a Google search for Python docs, the displayed page
>> title and snippet show version 3.3.0 docs, but clicking the link takes
>> me to /2/ instead. Is there a discrepancy between the version seen by
>> the crawler and the redirect given to a browser? Has something changed
>> recently and this is just a transitional period? Is there some kind of
>> settable preference to say "give me version 3 docs by default" and I
>> just haven't seen it?
>
> Do you have an example ?
>
> I just tried a few queries, but Google always shows 2.x docs
> and also links to the 2.x pages.

I searched for 'python string format' and got this:

string - Python v3.3.0 documentation
docs.python.org ? ... ? 7. String Services
In addition, Python's built-in string classes support the sequence
type methods described ... It takes a format string and an arbitrary
set of positional and keyword ...

which then linked to the 2.7.3 docs.

ChrisA

From mal at egenix.com  Thu Feb 14 09:51:30 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:51:30 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Google snippets vs target page
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmr4RUdJLvZS-r7-SN9gFnAzRHJoU86B9MzDBRuF4tUW8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPTjJmoQS6W2ytNN6vkTd8R_NA-0Y0DLQtnM0Fzvoj4kYBSnaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<511C1C4D.4050301@egenix.com>
	<CAPTjJmr4RUdJLvZS-r7-SN9gFnAzRHJoU86B9MzDBRuF4tUW8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <511CA592.2090306@egenix.com>

On 14.02.2013 00:14, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>> On 13.02.2013 23:34, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> Not sure if this is the place to raise this or not.
>>>
>>> Often, when I do a Google search for Python docs, the displayed page
>>> title and snippet show version 3.3.0 docs, but clicking the link takes
>>> me to /2/ instead. Is there a discrepancy between the version seen by
>>> the crawler and the redirect given to a browser? Has something changed
>>> recently and this is just a transitional period? Is there some kind of
>>> settable preference to say "give me version 3 docs by default" and I
>>> just haven't seen it?
>>
>> Do you have an example ?
>>
>> I just tried a few queries, but Google always shows 2.x docs
>> and also links to the 2.x pages.
> 
> I searched for 'python string format' and got this:
> 
> string - Python v3.3.0 documentation
> docs.python.org ? ... ? 7. String Services
> In addition, Python's built-in string classes support the sequence
> type methods described ... It takes a format string and an arbitrary
> set of positional and keyword ...
> 
> which then linked to the 2.7.3 docs.

Thanks. I get the same results. It is strange, though, that Google
uses that title for the link, since the cached version also points
to the 2.7 version of the page with title
"7.1. string ? Common string operations ? Python v2.7.3 documentation"

It is possible that during the transition to the new URL scheme,
Google picked up a Python 3 page under the URL and then stored
that for the page. It'll probably get corrected in one of the
next Google scans, I guess.

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From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 09:52:39 2013
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:52:39 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Google snippets vs target page
In-Reply-To: <511CA592.2090306@egenix.com>
References: <CAPTjJmoQS6W2ytNN6vkTd8R_NA-0Y0DLQtnM0Fzvoj4kYBSnaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<511C1C4D.4050301@egenix.com>
	<CAPTjJmr4RUdJLvZS-r7-SN9gFnAzRHJoU86B9MzDBRuF4tUW8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<511CA592.2090306@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmpA1_dGL2Gwgs-Xs3JJaddOPagTEe2PY6ySJeG1ephn-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> It is possible that during the transition to the new URL scheme,
> Google picked up a Python 3 page under the URL and then stored
> that for the page. It'll probably get corrected in one of the
> next Google scans, I guess.

Ah, okay. Thanks. It's nice when problems sort themselves out!

ChrisA

From brian at python.org  Thu Feb 14 21:29:49 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:29:49 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] News Item request
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwphGJcov05OOy8ieEZFhhNNVOu7_9-=gMP5s6DPuOaDnw@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone has a few free minutes, would you be able to add a news item
on the front page pointing to
http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html?

I would do it myself but I don't currently have an operational
checkout and won't have time to get to it until tomorrow.

Text like "The Python Software Foundation is requesting the assistance
of anyone in the community who works in a company that has a presence
in an EU Community Member State. The Python trademark is at risk, more
details available at
http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html"
would be great.

From mal at egenix.com  Fri Feb 15 01:08:18 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 01:08:18 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] News Item request
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwphGJcov05OOy8ieEZFhhNNVOu7_9-=gMP5s6DPuOaDnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+XWwphGJcov05OOy8ieEZFhhNNVOu7_9-=gMP5s6DPuOaDnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <511D7C72.2090408@egenix.com>



On 14.02.2013 21:29, Brian Curtin wrote:
> If anyone has a few free minutes, would you be able to add a news item
> on the front page pointing to
> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html?
> 
> I would do it myself but I don't currently have an operational
> checkout and won't have time to get to it until tomorrow.
> 
> Text like "The Python Software Foundation is requesting the assistance
> of anyone in the community who works in a company that has a presence
> in an EU Community Member State. The Python trademark is at risk, more
> details available at
> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html"
> would be great.

Done.

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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Feb 15 01:11:01 2013
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:11:01 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] News Item request
In-Reply-To: <511D7C72.2090408@egenix.com>
References: <CAD+XWwphGJcov05OOy8ieEZFhhNNVOu7_9-=gMP5s6DPuOaDnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<511D7C72.2090408@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <20130215001101.GA13745@panix.com>

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 14.02.2013 21:29, Brian Curtin wrote:
>> 
>> Text like "The Python Software Foundation is requesting the assistance
>> of anyone in the community who works in a company that has a presence
>> in an EU Community Member State. The Python trademark is at risk, more
>> details available at
>> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html"
>> would be great.
> 
> Done.

You beat me by two minutes.  ;-)  (SVN conflict!)
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From mal at egenix.com  Fri Feb 15 01:17:36 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 01:17:36 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] News Item request
In-Reply-To: <20130215001101.GA13745@panix.com>
References: <CAD+XWwphGJcov05OOy8ieEZFhhNNVOu7_9-=gMP5s6DPuOaDnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<511D7C72.2090408@egenix.com> <20130215001101.GA13745@panix.com>
Message-ID: <511D7EA0.1070907@egenix.com>

On 15.02.2013 01:11, Aahz wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> On 14.02.2013 21:29, Brian Curtin wrote:
>>>
>>> Text like "The Python Software Foundation is requesting the assistance
>>> of anyone in the community who works in a company that has a presence
>>> in an EU Community Member State. The Python trademark is at risk, more
>>> details available at
>>> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html"
>>> would be great.
>>
>> Done.
> 
> You beat me by two minutes.  ;-)  (SVN conflict!)

:-)

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Fri Feb 15 10:41:30 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:41:30 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] News Item request
In-Reply-To: <511D7C72.2090408@egenix.com>
References: <CAD+XWwphGJcov05OOy8ieEZFhhNNVOu7_9-=gMP5s6DPuOaDnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<511D7C72.2090408@egenix.com>
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 14.02.2013 21:29, Brian Curtin wrote:
> > If anyone has a few free minutes, would you be able to add a news item
> > on the front page pointing to
> >
> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html
> ?
> >
> > I would do it myself but I don't currently have an operational
> > checkout and won't have time to get to it until tomorrow.
> >
> > Text like "The Python Software Foundation is requesting the assistance
> > of anyone in the community who works in a company that has a presence
> > in an EU Community Member State. The Python trademark is at risk, more
> > details available at
> >
> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html
> "
> > would be great.
>
> Done.
>

Veber business will be ruined. How could they be so inaccurate?
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From iwm21 at cam.ac.uk  Fri Feb 15 11:27:42 2013
From: iwm21 at cam.ac.uk (Ian Mackey)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:27:42 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI security notice
In-Reply-To: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
References: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <0DEBE314-60FD-4636-8760-74903FE87061@cam.ac.uk>

I went through the procedure more than once and have received nothing on my e-mail account.

How long might I have to wait for the e-mail to be sent with the password change notification?

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On 15 Feb 2013, at 01:23, richard at python.org wrote:

> 
> TL;DR: please log into PyPI and change your password.
> 
> Dear PyPI user iwm21,
> 
> Recently we have been auditing and improving security of the Python Package
> Index (PyPI) and other python.org hosts.
> 
> You may be aware that the wiki.python.org host was compromised. Since we must
> assume that all passwords stored in that system are also compromised, and we
> also assume that some users share passwords between python.org systems, I will
> be performing a password reset of all PyPI accounts in one week's time, at
> 2013-02-22 00:00 UTC.
> 
> If you log in before that deadline and change your password then you'll be
> fine, otherwise you'll need to use the password recovery form after the reset
> has occurred.
> 
> Additionally, I ask you to begin to access PyPI using HTTPS through the web.
> We're in the process of installing a new SSL certificate so the current Big Red
> Certificate Warning should go away very soon.
> 
> We are in the process of updating the Python packaging toolset to use HTTPS.
> 
> These steps are but a couple of those we're intending to take to better secure
> PyPI. If you are interested in these matters I encourage you to participate in
> the discussion on the catalog SIG:
> 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig
> 
> Finally, I apologise for any inconvenience these changes have caused.
> 
> 
>    Richard Jones <richard at python.org>
>    PyPI Maintainer

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From brian at python.org  Fri Feb 15 16:30:51 2013
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:30:51 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] News Item request
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:17 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> On 15.02.2013 01:11, Aahz wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> On 14.02.2013 21:29, Brian Curtin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Text like "The Python Software Foundation is requesting the assistance
>>>> of anyone in the community who works in a company that has a presence
>>>> in an EU Community Member State. The Python trademark is at risk, more
>>>> details available at
>>>> http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html"
>>>> would be great.
>>>
>>> Done.
>>
>> You beat me by two minutes.  ;-)  (SVN conflict!)
>
> :-)

Thanks to the both of you for taking care of it!

From iwm21 at cam.ac.uk  Sat Feb 16 09:23:22 2013
From: iwm21 at cam.ac.uk (Ian Mackey)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 08:23:22 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI security notice
In-Reply-To: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
References: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <E0B1D671-F8A0-4587-944D-6C0786A2A35D@cam.ac.uk>

I went through the procedure more than once and have received nothing on my e-mail account.

How long might I have to wait 

---
Ian Mackey                     Network Services Manager
University Computing Service -  University of Cambridge
New Museums Site   Pembroke Street  Cambridge   CB2 3QH
Tel:[+44/0]1223 768963          e-mail: iwm21 at cam.ac.uk



On 15 Feb 2013, at 01:23, richard at python.org wrote:

> 
> TL;DR: please log into PyPI and change your password.
> 
> Dear PyPI user iwm21,
> 
> Recently we have been auditing and improving security of the Python Package
> Index (PyPI) and other python.org hosts.
> 
> You may be aware that the wiki.python.org host was compromised. Since we must
> assume that all passwords stored in that system are also compromised, and we
> also assume that some users share passwords between python.org systems, I will
> be performing a password reset of all PyPI accounts in one week's time, at
> 2013-02-22 00:00 UTC.
> 
> If you log in before that deadline and change your password then you'll be
> fine, otherwise you'll need to use the password recovery form after the reset
> has occurred.
> 
> Additionally, I ask you to begin to access PyPI using HTTPS through the web.
> We're in the process of installing a new SSL certificate so the current Big Red
> Certificate Warning should go away very soon.
> 
> We are in the process of updating the Python packaging toolset to use HTTPS.
> 
> These steps are but a couple of those we're intending to take to better secure
> PyPI. If you are interested in these matters I encourage you to participate in
> the discussion on the catalog SIG:
> 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig
> 
> Finally, I apologise for any inconvenience these changes have caused.
> 
> 
>    Richard Jones <richard at python.org>
>    PyPI Maintainer

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From blueyewon at gmail.com  Sun Feb 17 07:31:56 2013
From: blueyewon at gmail.com (blueyewon at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:31:56 +0900
Subject: [pydotorg-www] fff
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 08:40:07 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:40:07 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Poll about -h,--help options
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+Nj5rEzjW-1OZLAPB=TRhhS0BoZ8uEHSicDU1h4JYZmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Is it interesting to know if people expect -h to work as a --help
equivalent by default?

As it directly affects best practices of using Python in command line, can
we run such poll on python.org? I thought that this stuff is obvious, but
it appears that it is not, so I'd like to see this usability study - it
will be interesting for the Python community to know itself better.
-- 
anatoly t.
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From ubershmekel at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 09:07:21 2013
From: ubershmekel at gmail.com (Yuval Greenfield)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:07:21 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Python-ideas] Poll about -h,--help options
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+Nj5rEzjW-1OZLAPB=TRhhS0BoZ8uEHSicDU1h4JYZmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8x+Nj5rEzjW-1OZLAPB=TRhhS0BoZ8uEHSicDU1h4JYZmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANSw7Ky200C9NBaviX9LB5-pmz-V_vf82-cVFLtxuh0scTQDSA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is it interesting to know if people expect -h to work as a --help
> equivalent by default?
>
> As it directly affects best practices of using Python in command line, can
> we run such poll on python.org? I thought that this stuff is obvious, but
> it appears that it is not, so I'd like to see this usability study - it
> will be interesting for the Python community to know itself better.
>  --
> anatoly t.
>

I hate typing "-h" only to find that just "--help" works.

I'm pretty sure it's obvious and standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command-line_interface#Built-in_usage_help


Yuval Greenfield
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From chris.jerdonek at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 10:41:12 2013
From: chris.jerdonek at gmail.com (Chris Jerdonek)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:41:12 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Python-ideas] Poll about -h,--help options
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+Nj5rEzjW-1OZLAPB=TRhhS0BoZ8uEHSicDU1h4JYZmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8x+Nj5rEzjW-1OZLAPB=TRhhS0BoZ8uEHSicDU1h4JYZmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOTb1wc92nK0EPaAFxga+6mbTnOJxdyw7tgx3M7aWTRBqAuCwg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:40 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it interesting to know if people expect -h to work as a --help equivalent
> by default?
>
> As it directly affects best practices of using Python in command line, can
> we run such poll on python.org? I thought that this stuff is obvious, but it
> appears that it is not, so I'd like to see this usability study - it will be
> interesting for the Python community to know itself better.

The argparse and optparse modules in the standard library expose help
via both -h and --help by default (and this is in the Python
documentation and in the help strings generated by those modules), so
I would expect Python users at least to be familiar with both
invocations:

http://docs.python.org/2/library/optparse.html#generating-help
http://docs.python.org/2/library/argparse.html#add-help

--Chris


> --
> anatoly t.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Python-ideas mailing list
> Python-ideas at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas
>

From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb 18 16:10:01 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:10:01 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Poll about -h,--help options
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+Nj5rEzjW-1OZLAPB=TRhhS0BoZ8uEHSicDU1h4JYZmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8x+Nj5rEzjW-1OZLAPB=TRhhS0BoZ8uEHSicDU1h4JYZmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjpSrsLZTnfcR5HfzTNh38hcp0vzk+cktMXb2M6wEGOoA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:40 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it interesting to know if people expect -h to work as a --help equivalent
> by default?
>
> As it directly affects best practices of using Python in command line, can
> we run such poll on python.org? I thought that this stuff is obvious, but it
> appears that it is not, so I'd like to see this usability study - it will be
> interesting for the Python community to know itself better.

This seems an odd thing for a poll on python.org.   I suspect you will
not get good data.

Whey you say "if people expect"  what people?    Python developers,
users of tools written in Python?   sysadmins and other CLI savyusers?

Given argparse and optparse expose both -h and --help by default,  I
would expect the Python community to expect that.  This is why I think
your data would be skewed.

Unless this is what you are testing for.

-- 
Carl K

From marcmurua at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 10:54:10 2013
From: marcmurua at gmail.com (Marc Murua)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:54:10 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Rtlengfmetfn4fythef3ze
Message-ID: <CA+qPrxWtTMJB7aUh1USf-HaJLFEvqcYNjnVdm5Y8aysf4OWhSw@mail.gmail.com>


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From jomarnel852 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 23:27:55 2013
From: jomarnel852 at gmail.com (Jonelipad)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:27:55 +0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hey it's Jonel
Message-ID: <9FB9AAC8-7AA8-49D8-9362-7924209BFB27@gmail.com>



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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Feb 20 05:55:25 2013
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:55:25 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI security notice
In-Reply-To: <E0B1D671-F8A0-4587-944D-6C0786A2A35D@cam.ac.uk>
References: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
	<E0B1D671-F8A0-4587-944D-6C0786A2A35D@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20130220045525.GA203@panix.com>

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013, Ian Mackey wrote:
>
> I went through the procedure more than once and have received nothing
> on my e-mail account.
>
> How long might I have to wait

If you haven't received any response, please ask on the catalog-sig
mailing list, pydotorg-www doesn't have any special information.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Times are bad.  Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is
writing a book."  --Cicero

From anthonybaxter at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 10:45:34 2013
From: anthonybaxter at gmail.com (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:45:34 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI security notice
In-Reply-To: <E0B1D671-F8A0-4587-944D-6C0786A2A35D@cam.ac.uk>
References: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
	<E0B1D671-F8A0-4587-944D-6C0786A2A35D@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CANxH2eR4Ez3Kra+kHkMjrqX6z4XAjYEzMHvnYQcdcfsue74KUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Check your spam folder.
On Feb 16, 2013 7:41 PM, "Ian Mackey" <iwm21 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> I went through the procedure more than once and have received nothing on
> my e-mail account.
>
> How long might I have to wait
>
> ---
> Ian Mackey                     Network Services Manager
> University Computing Service -  University of Cambridge
> New Museums Site   Pembroke Street  Cambridge   CB2 3QH
> Tel:[+44/0]1223 768963          e-mail: iwm21 at cam.ac.uk
>
>
>
> On 15 Feb 2013, at 01:23, richard at python.org wrote:
>
>
> TL;DR: please log into PyPI and change your password.
>
> Dear PyPI user iwm21,
>
> Recently we have been auditing and improving security of the Python Package
> Index (PyPI) and other python.org hosts.
>
> You may be aware that the wiki.python.org host was compromised. Since we
> must
> assume that all passwords stored in that system are also compromised, and
> we
> also assume that some users share passwords between python.org systems, I
> will
> be performing a password reset of all PyPI accounts in one week's time, at
> 2013-02-22 00:00 UTC.
>
> If you log in before that deadline and change your password then you'll be
> fine, otherwise you'll need to use the password recovery form after the
> reset
> has occurred.
>
> Additionally, I ask you to begin to access PyPI using HTTPS through the
> web.
> We're in the process of installing a new SSL certificate so the current
> Big Red
> Certificate Warning should go away very soon.
>
> We are in the process of updating the Python packaging toolset to use
> HTTPS.
>
> These steps are but a couple of those we're intending to take to better
> secure
> PyPI. If you are interested in these matters I encourage you to
> participate in
> the discussion on the catalog SIG:
>
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig
>
> Finally, I apologise for any inconvenience these changes have caused.
>
>
>    Richard Jones <richard at python.org>
>    PyPI Maintainer
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
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From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Feb 20 13:35:57 2013
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:35:57 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI security notice
In-Reply-To: <20130220045525.GA203@panix.com>
References: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
	<E0B1D671-F8A0-4587-944D-6C0786A2A35D@cam.ac.uk>
	<20130220045525.GA203@panix.com>
Message-ID: <5124C32D.7060702@v.loewis.de>

Am 20.02.13 05:55, schrieb Aahz:
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013, Ian Mackey wrote:
>>
>> I went through the procedure more than once and have received nothing
>> on my e-mail account.
>>
>> How long might I have to wait
>
> If you haven't received any response, please ask on the catalog-sig
> mailing list, pydotorg-www doesn't have any special information.

More specifically, please submit a support request to the issue tracker
(linked from the PyPI page); state what email address you believe to
be using, so we can verify that this is actually in PyPI's database.

Regards,
Martin



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Feb 20 13:44:50 2013
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:44:50 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI security notice
In-Reply-To: <5124C32D.7060702@v.loewis.de>
References: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
	<E0B1D671-F8A0-4587-944D-6C0786A2A35D@cam.ac.uk>
	<20130220045525.GA203@panix.com> <5124C32D.7060702@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <20130220124450.GJ12826@charite.de>

* "Martin v. L?wis" <martin at v.loewis.de>:
> Am 20.02.13 05:55, schrieb Aahz:
> >On Sat, Feb 16, 2013, Ian Mackey wrote:
> >>
> >>I went through the procedure more than once and have received nothing
> >>on my e-mail account.
> >>
> >>How long might I have to wait
> >
> >If you haven't received any response, please ask on the catalog-sig
> >mailing list, pydotorg-www doesn't have any special information.
> 
> More specifically, please submit a support request to the issue tracker
> (linked from the PyPI page); state what email address you believe to
> be using, so we can verify that this is actually in PyPI's database.

And of course I can check and see if the mail actually went out :)

Yes, it went out:

Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/smtpd[12681]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/cleanup[12365]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: warning: header From: richard at python.org from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<richard at python.org> to=<iwm21 at cam.ac.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<albatross.python.org>
Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/cleanup[12365]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: warning: header Subject: PyPI security notice from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<richard at python.org> to=<iwm21 at cam.ac.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<albatross.python.org>
Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/cleanup[12365]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: message-id=<20130215012332.9245932A0 at virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org> 
Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/qmgr[5832]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: from=<richard at python.org>, size=3601, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/smtpd[18392]: proxy-accept: END-OF-MESSAGE: 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ; from=<richard at python.org> to=<iwm21 at cam.ac.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
see --> Feb 15 02:23:34 albatross postfix/smtp[29350]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: to=<iwm21 at cam.ac.uk>, relay=mx.cam.ac.uk[131.111.8.148]:25, delay=1.9, delays=0.1/0/0.16/1.7, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1U6A1V-0000iN-WN)
Feb 15 02:23:34 albatross postfix/qmgr[5832]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: removed


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ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de        Campus Benjamin Franklin
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Gesch?ftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Feb 20 13:52:00 2013
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:52:00 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyPI security notice
In-Reply-To: <20130220124450.GJ12826@charite.de>
References: <20130215012332.9245932A0@virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
	<E0B1D671-F8A0-4587-944D-6C0786A2A35D@cam.ac.uk>
	<20130220045525.GA203@panix.com> <5124C32D.7060702@v.loewis.de>
	<20130220124450.GJ12826@charite.de>
Message-ID: <20130220125159.GK12826@charite.de>

> And of course I can check and see if the mail actually went out :)
> 
> Yes, it went out:
> 
> Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/smtpd[12681]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
> Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/cleanup[12365]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: warning: header From: richard at python.org from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<richard at python.org> to=<iwm21 at cam.ac.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<albatross.python.org>
> Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/cleanup[12365]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: warning: header Subject: PyPI security notice from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<richard at python.org> to=<iwm21 at cam.ac.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<albatross.python.org>
> Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/cleanup[12365]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: message-id=<20130215012332.9245932A0 at virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org> 
> Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/qmgr[5832]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: from=<richard at python.org>, size=3601, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Feb 15 02:23:32 albatross postfix/smtpd[18392]: proxy-accept: END-OF-MESSAGE: 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ; from=<richard at python.org> to=<iwm21 at cam.ac.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<virt-oku3tm.psf.osuosl.org>
> see --> Feb 15 02:23:34 albatross postfix/smtp[29350]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: to=<iwm21 at cam.ac.uk>, relay=mx.cam.ac.uk[131.111.8.148]:25, delay=1.9, delays=0.1/0/0.16/1.7, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1U6A1V-0000iN-WN)
> Feb 15 02:23:34 albatross postfix/qmgr[5832]: 3Z6cDh53gbzSpQ: removed

All times are GMT+1 (=CET).

-- 
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ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de        Campus Benjamin Franklin
http://www.charite.de              Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin
Gesch?ftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155

From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Sat Feb 23 16:37:31 2013
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:37:31 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website, and Facebook
References: <CAAi-SuUFg9C7-pyJUWHfsA4Wjo-iwUN95gNn4q7ZJxQcr7pgDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E32B2FA-B202-4F0A-9084-FE3CE04CCD35@voidspace.org.uk>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: mike white <mikejbw at gmail.com>
> Subject: Images used on Python.org website, and Facebook
> Date: 20 February 2013 20:55:13 GMT
> To: webmaster at python.org
> 
> Hi, I placed a link to python.org on a Facebook page expecting the thumbnail to show the usual double-python. However, it instead shows part of the 'non English resources' image instead.
> 
> Could someone perhaps tweak the website code so your familiar logo is shown when linked from Facebook - I think you use the FB Linter tool to check.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike Whittaker
> 


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May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sat Feb 23 17:33:35 2013
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:33:35 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
 and Facebook
In-Reply-To: <5E32B2FA-B202-4F0A-9084-FE3CE04CCD35@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <CAAi-SuUFg9C7-pyJUWHfsA4Wjo-iwUN95gNn4q7ZJxQcr7pgDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E32B2FA-B202-4F0A-9084-FE3CE04CCD35@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20130223163335.GD7415@charite.de>

> > Hi, I placed a link to python.org on a Facebook page expecting the thumbnail to show the usual double-python. However, it instead shows part of the 'non English resources' image instead.
> > 
> > Could someone perhaps tweak the website code so your familiar logo is shown when linked from Facebook - I think you use the FB Linter tool to check.

Indeed, I can reproduce this.
It shows the image from the box "AFNIC.fr uses Python..." and nothing
else. No way to choose another image.

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http://www.charite.de              Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Feb 24 20:17:02 2013
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:17:02 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Fwd: PyPI security notice
Message-ID: <20130224191702.GA29994@panix.com>

----- Forwarded message from Vid <vid at svaksha.com> -----

> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:37:24 +0530
> From: Vid <vid at svaksha.com>
> To: webmaster at python.org
> Subject: Fwd: PyPI security notice
> 
> Hi, could someone on the team please help with the wiki p/w recovery?
> Thanks, Vid
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Richard Jones <richard at python.org>
> Date: Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:08 AM
> Subject: Re: PyPI security notice
> To: Vid <vid at svaksha.com>
> 
> 
> Please try webmaster at python.org
> 
> On 22 February 2013 22:24, Vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> > Hi, so who am I supposed to contact to get this rectified? Thanks, Vid
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Richard Jones <richard at python.org> wrote:
> >> Sorry, I'm unable to help with wiki issues.
> >>
> >>
> >>      Richard
> >>
> >> On 16 February 2013 14:29, Vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:13 AM,  <richard at python.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> TL;DR: please log into PyPI and change your password.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear PyPI user svaksha,
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello Richard,
> >>>
> >>> I have tried the procedure to reset my passw (recovery details below)
> >>>
> >>> Login Name: svaksha
> >>>
> >>> Password recovery token: 1360913446-90fd1b15230f900c1cdce6e6d518e59f086f1469
> >>>
> >>> Password reset URL:
> >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=recoverpass&name=svaksha&token=1360913446-90fd1b15230f900c1cdce6e6d518e59f086f1469
> >>>
> >>> I am still unable to reset the passw as it says the token is not
> >>> correct. Please help me recover my account 'svaksha', and I am not
> >>> sure which email ID I used - I have two: <svaksha at gmail.com> and
> >>> <vid at svaksha.com>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and Regards,
> >>> vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?

----- End forwarded message -----

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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Feb 25 12:55:59 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:55:59 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Fwd: PyPI security notice
In-Reply-To: <20130224191702.GA29994@panix.com>
References: <20130224191702.GA29994@panix.com>
Message-ID: <512B514F.4000503@egenix.com>

Thanks. I've contacted Vid off-list.

On 24.02.2013 20:17, Aahz wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from Vid <vid at svaksha.com> -----
> 
>> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:37:24 +0530
>> From: Vid <vid at svaksha.com>
>> To: webmaster at python.org
>> Subject: Fwd: PyPI security notice
>>
>> Hi, could someone on the team please help with the wiki p/w recovery?
>> Thanks, Vid
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Richard Jones <richard at python.org>
>> Date: Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: PyPI security notice
>> To: Vid <vid at svaksha.com>
>>
>>
>> Please try webmaster at python.org
>>
>> On 22 February 2013 22:24, Vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, so who am I supposed to contact to get this rectified? Thanks, Vid
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Richard Jones <richard at python.org> wrote:
>>>> Sorry, I'm unable to help with wiki issues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Richard
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2013 14:29, Vid <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:13 AM,  <richard at python.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TL;DR: please log into PyPI and change your password.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear PyPI user svaksha,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried the procedure to reset my passw (recovery details below)
>>>>>
>>>>> Login Name: svaksha
>>>>>
>>>>> Password recovery token: 1360913446-90fd1b15230f900c1cdce6e6d518e59f086f1469
>>>>>
>>>>> Password reset URL:
>>>>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=recoverpass&name=svaksha&token=1360913446-90fd1b15230f900c1cdce6e6d518e59f086f1469
>>>>>
>>>>> I am still unable to reset the passw as it says the token is not
>>>>> correct. Please help me recover my account 'svaksha', and I am not
>>>>> sure which email ID I used - I have two: <svaksha at gmail.com> and
>>>>> <vid at svaksha.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>>>> vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> vid  ? http://svaksha.com ?
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 

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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Feb 25 14:38:30 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:38:30 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
In-Reply-To: <20130223163335.GD7415@charite.de>
References: <CAAi-SuUFg9C7-pyJUWHfsA4Wjo-iwUN95gNn4q7ZJxQcr7pgDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E32B2FA-B202-4F0A-9084-FE3CE04CCD35@voidspace.org.uk>
	<20130223163335.GD7415@charite.de>
Message-ID: <512B6956.4080903@egenix.com>

On 23.02.2013 17:33, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
>>> Hi, I placed a link to python.org on a Facebook page expecting the thumbnail to show the usual double-python. However, it instead shows part of the 'non English resources' image instead.
>>>
>>> Could someone perhaps tweak the website code so your familiar logo is shown when linked from Facebook - I think you use the FB Linter tool to check.
> 
> Indeed, I can reproduce this.
> It shows the image from the box "AFNIC.fr uses Python..." and nothing
> else. No way to choose another image.

Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?

I can make the change to the existing site, but need to know
what to change :-)

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From merwok at netwok.org  Mon Feb 25 16:46:10 2013
From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:46:10 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
In-Reply-To: <512B6956.4080903@egenix.com>
References: <CAAi-SuUFg9C7-pyJUWHfsA4Wjo-iwUN95gNn4q7ZJxQcr7pgDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E32B2FA-B202-4F0A-9084-FE3CE04CCD35@voidspace.org.uk>
	<20130223163335.GD7415@charite.de> <512B6956.4080903@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <512B8742.1000600@netwok.org>

Le 25/02/2013 08:38, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit :
> Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?

You?d need to add special markup to your page to define the title,
description and image to be shown on Facebook.  It?s part of what they
call OpenGraph; it?s comparable to RDFa, Microformats or schema.org, but
specific to Facebook, so adding such markup may be interpreted as
endorsement.

http://mikeeverhart.net/facebook/use-ogp-tags-to-change-images-when-sharing-links-on-facebook/

Cheers

From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb 25 16:59:28 2013
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:59:28 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
In-Reply-To: <512B8742.1000600@netwok.org>
References: <CAAi-SuUFg9C7-pyJUWHfsA4Wjo-iwUN95gNn4q7ZJxQcr7pgDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E32B2FA-B202-4F0A-9084-FE3CE04CCD35@voidspace.org.uk>
	<20130223163335.GD7415@charite.de>
	<512B6956.4080903@egenix.com> <512B8742.1000600@netwok.org>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjnqUeTZpL_ZAwWh=q7DA4uR7PXCTDDGz6SPCZn+5mSyQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org> wrote:
> Le 25/02/2013 08:38, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit :
>> Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?
>
> You?d need to add special markup to your page to define the title,
> description and image to be shown on Facebook.  It?s part of what they
> call OpenGraph; it?s comparable to RDFa, Microformats or schema.org, but
> specific to Facebook, so adding such markup may be interpreted as
> endorsement.
>
> http://mikeeverhart.net/facebook/use-ogp-tags-to-change-images-when-sharing-links-on-facebook/
>

Whoever wants this implemented should provide something like this:
	
<head>
    ...
    <!-- Required OGP Tags -->
    <meta property="og:title" content="Mike Everhart - Web Designer.
Programmer. Geek." />
    <meta property="og:type" content="website" />
    <meta property="og:url" content="http://mikeeverhart.net/" />
    <meta property="og:image"
content="http://mikeeverhart.net/mike-everhart-facebook.png" />
    ...
</head>


-- 
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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Feb 25 17:17:06 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:17:06 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
In-Reply-To: <CADmzSSjnqUeTZpL_ZAwWh=q7DA4uR7PXCTDDGz6SPCZn+5mSyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAi-SuUFg9C7-pyJUWHfsA4Wjo-iwUN95gNn4q7ZJxQcr7pgDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E32B2FA-B202-4F0A-9084-FE3CE04CCD35@voidspace.org.uk>
	<20130223163335.GD7415@charite.de>
	<512B6956.4080903@egenix.com> <512B8742.1000600@netwok.org>
	<CADmzSSjnqUeTZpL_ZAwWh=q7DA4uR7PXCTDDGz6SPCZn+5mSyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <512B8E82.1040200@egenix.com>

On 25.02.2013 16:59, Carl Karsten wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org> wrote:
>> Le 25/02/2013 08:38, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit :
>>> Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?
>>
>> You?d need to add special markup to your page to define the title,
>> description and image to be shown on Facebook.  It?s part of what they
>> call OpenGraph; it?s comparable to RDFa, Microformats or schema.org, but
>> specific to Facebook, so adding such markup may be interpreted as
>> endorsement.
>>
>> http://mikeeverhart.net/facebook/use-ogp-tags-to-change-images-when-sharing-links-on-facebook/
>>
> 
> Whoever wants this implemented should provide something like this:
> 	
> <head>
>     ...
>     <!-- Required OGP Tags -->
>     <meta property="og:title" content="Mike Everhart - Web Designer.
> Programmer. Geek." />
>     <meta property="og:type" content="website" />
>     <meta property="og:url" content="http://mikeeverhart.net/" />
>     <meta property="og:image"
> content="http://mikeeverhart.net/mike-everhart-facebook.png" />
>     ...
> </head>

I just tested the image selection on Facebook. While I also see
the success story as first image, the second image is the Python
logo. The format of the logo image doesn't really fit the Facebook
or Google+, so perhaps adding an image which can be used for these
is not a bad idea.

Does Google+ have a similar standard for defining such images ?

We could then add both to not endorse a specific social network.

-- 
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eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Feb 25 2013)
>>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ...   http://www.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ...       http://zope.egenix.com/
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________________________________________________________________________

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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Feb 26 02:07:15 2013
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:07:15 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: wiki down again
Message-ID: <20130226010715.GA20935@panix.com>

Also got another complaint and reproduced

----- Forwarded message from Silvano Bertossa <silvano.bertossa at gmail.com> -----

> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:38:18 +0100
> From: Silvano Bertossa <silvano.bertossa at gmail.com>
> To: webmaster at python.org
> Subject: server error on beginners guide
> 
> http://www.python.org/doc/
> From this page I click
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
> and I get
> 
>> Internal Server Error
>> ?
>> Apache Server at wiki.python.org Port 80
> 
> Silvano

----- End forwarded message -----

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writing a book."  --Cicero

From benjaminwarfield at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 02:09:21 2013
From: benjaminwarfield at gmail.com (Benjamin W. Smith)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:09:21 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] FWD: wiki down again
In-Reply-To: <20130226010715.GA20935@panix.com>
References: <20130226010715.GA20935@panix.com>
Message-ID: <CALWVVD-JhkgANgr2P-cQai-+8SZ71TJCMGreMirRK=q1vSaarQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for letting us know, we're currently addressing this issue.

On Monday, February 25, 2013, Aahz wrote:

> Also got another complaint and reproduced
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Silvano Bertossa <silvano.bertossa at gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> -----
>
> > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:38:18 +0100
> > From: Silvano Bertossa <silvano.bertossa at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: webmaster at python.org <javascript:;>
> > Subject: server error on beginners guide
> >
> > http://www.python.org/doc/
> > From this page I click
> > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
> > and I get
> >
> >> Internal Server Error
> >> ?
> >> Apache Server at wiki.python.org Port 80
> >
> > Silvano
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
> --
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> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "Times are bad.  Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is
> writing a book."  --Cicero
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From ewdurbin at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 02:12:18 2013
From: ewdurbin at gmail.com (Ernest W Durbin III)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:12:18 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] FWD: wiki down again
In-Reply-To: <CALWVVD-JhkgANgr2P-cQai-+8SZ71TJCMGreMirRK=q1vSaarQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130226010715.GA20935@panix.com>
	<CALWVVD-JhkgANgr2P-cQai-+8SZ71TJCMGreMirRK=q1vSaarQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BED84D28-DFAE-4597-95CB-EE5CB0B0EF9F@gmail.com>

tarred the trash directory into shared memory, nuked it and we're back online. with ~47k inodes available.

will keep an eye on it and take a closer look in the morning (if it doesn't go wheels up again tonight)

(moin)ernestd at virt-ys0nco:/dev/shm$ df -i
Filesystem     Inodes  IUsed  IFree IUse% Mounted on
/dev/vda3      584064 538066  45998   93% /

archive of the trash directory is available if it needs restored at some point.

On Feb 25, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "Benjamin W. Smith" <benjaminwarfield at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for letting us know, we're currently addressing this issue.
> 
> On Monday, February 25, 2013, Aahz wrote:
> Also got another complaint and reproduced
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Silvano Bertossa <silvano.bertossa at gmail.com> -----
> 
> > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:38:18 +0100
> > From: Silvano Bertossa <silvano.bertossa at gmail.com>
> > To: webmaster at python.org
> > Subject: server error on beginners guide
> >
> > http://www.python.org/doc/
> > From this page I click
> > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
> > and I get
> >
> >> Internal Server Error
> >> ?
> >> Apache Server at wiki.python.org Port 80
> >
> > Silvano
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> 
> "Times are bad.  Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is
> writing a book."  --Cicero
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> 
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 09:12:18 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:12:18 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
In-Reply-To: <512B8E82.1040200@egenix.com>
References: <CAAi-SuUFg9C7-pyJUWHfsA4Wjo-iwUN95gNn4q7ZJxQcr7pgDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E32B2FA-B202-4F0A-9084-FE3CE04CCD35@voidspace.org.uk>
	<20130223163335.GD7415@charite.de>
	<512B6956.4080903@egenix.com> <512B8742.1000600@netwok.org>
	<CADmzSSjnqUeTZpL_ZAwWh=q7DA4uR7PXCTDDGz6SPCZn+5mSyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<512B8E82.1040200@egenix.com>
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> On 25.02.2013 16:59, Carl Karsten wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org> wrote:
> >> Le 25/02/2013 08:38, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit :
> >>> Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?
> >>
> >> You?d need to add special markup to your page to define the title,
> >> description and image to be shown on Facebook.  It?s part of what they
> >> call OpenGraph; it?s comparable to RDFa, Microformats or schema.org,
> but
> >> specific to Facebook, so adding such markup may be interpreted as
> >> endorsement.
> >>
> >>
> http://mikeeverhart.net/facebook/use-ogp-tags-to-change-images-when-sharing-links-on-facebook/
> >>
> >
> > Whoever wants this implemented should provide something like this:
> >
> > <head>
> >     ...
> >     <!-- Required OGP Tags -->
> >     <meta property="og:title" content="Mike Everhart - Web Designer.
> > Programmer. Geek." />
> >     <meta property="og:type" content="website" />
> >     <meta property="og:url" content="http://mikeeverhart.net/" />
> >     <meta property="og:image"
> > content="http://mikeeverhart.net/mike-everhart-facebook.png" />
> >     ...
> > </head>
>
> I just tested the image selection on Facebook. While I also see
> the success story as first image, the second image is the Python
> logo. The format of the logo image doesn't really fit the Facebook
> or Google+, so perhaps adding an image which can be used for these
> is not a bad idea.
>
> Does Google+ have a similar standard for defining such images ?
>
> We could then add both to not endorse a specific social network.


http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=176035
http://schema.org/Thing or http://schema.org/SoftwareApplication
http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=www.python.org&html=

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 09:29:35 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:29:35 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xJYcva7mLUAsFX++Wa+0bwTwJEcfVJRhNCOBzfxMvz=cg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20130223163335.GD7415@charite.de>
	<512B6956.4080903@egenix.com> <512B8742.1000600@netwok.org>
	<CADmzSSjnqUeTZpL_ZAwWh=q7DA4uR7PXCTDDGz6SPCZn+5mSyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>
>> On 25.02.2013 16:59, Carl Karsten wrote:
>> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org> wrote:
>> >> Le 25/02/2013 08:38, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit :
>> >>> Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?
>> >>
>> >> You?d need to add special markup to your page to define the title,
>> >> description and image to be shown on Facebook.  It?s part of what they
>> >> call OpenGraph; it?s comparable to RDFa, Microformats or schema.org,
>> but
>> >> specific to Facebook, so adding such markup may be interpreted as
>> >> endorsement.
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://mikeeverhart.net/facebook/use-ogp-tags-to-change-images-when-sharing-links-on-facebook/
>> >>
>> >
>> > Whoever wants this implemented should provide something like this:
>> >
>> > <head>
>> >     ...
>> >     <!-- Required OGP Tags -->
>> >     <meta property="og:title" content="Mike Everhart - Web Designer.
>> > Programmer. Geek." />
>> >     <meta property="og:type" content="website" />
>> >     <meta property="og:url" content="http://mikeeverhart.net/" />
>> >     <meta property="og:image"
>> > content="http://mikeeverhart.net/mike-everhart-facebook.png" />
>> >     ...
>> > </head>
>>
>> I just tested the image selection on Facebook. While I also see
>> the success story as first image, the second image is the Python
>> logo. The format of the logo image doesn't really fit the Facebook
>> or Google+, so perhaps adding an image which can be used for these
>> is not a bad idea.
>>
>> Does Google+ have a similar standard for defining such images ?
>>
>> We could then add both to not endorse a specific social network.
>
>
> http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=176035
> http://schema.org/Thing or http://schema.org/SoftwareApplication
>
> http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=www.python.org&html=
>

https://developers.google.com/+/plugins/snippet/

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 09:33:17 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:33:17 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25.02.2013 16:59, Carl Karsten wrote:
>>> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Le 25/02/2013 08:38, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit :
>>> >>> Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?
>>> >>
>>> >> You?d need to add special markup to your page to define the title,
>>> >> description and image to be shown on Facebook.  It?s part of what they
>>> >> call OpenGraph; it?s comparable to RDFa, Microformats or schema.org,
>>> but
>>> >> specific to Facebook, so adding such markup may be interpreted as
>>> >> endorsement.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://mikeeverhart.net/facebook/use-ogp-tags-to-change-images-when-sharing-links-on-facebook/
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Whoever wants this implemented should provide something like this:
>>> >
>>> > <head>
>>> >     ...
>>> >     <!-- Required OGP Tags -->
>>> >     <meta property="og:title" content="Mike Everhart - Web Designer.
>>> > Programmer. Geek." />
>>> >     <meta property="og:type" content="website" />
>>> >     <meta property="og:url" content="http://mikeeverhart.net/" />
>>> >     <meta property="og:image"
>>> > content="http://mikeeverhart.net/mike-everhart-facebook.png" />
>>> >     ...
>>> > </head>
>>>
>>> I just tested the image selection on Facebook. While I also see
>>> the success story as first image, the second image is the Python
>>> logo. The format of the logo image doesn't really fit the Facebook
>>> or Google+, so perhaps adding an image which can be used for these
>>> is not a bad idea.
>>>
>>> Does Google+ have a similar standard for defining such images ?
>>>
>>> We could then add both to not endorse a specific social network.
>>
>>
>> http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=176035
>> http://schema.org/Thing or http://schema.org/SoftwareApplication
>>
>> http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=www.python.org&html=
>>
>
> https://developers.google.com/+/plugins/snippet/
>

To be more specific:

<!-- Update your html tag to include the itemscope and itemtype attributes.
-->
<html itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/LocalBusiness">

<!-- Add the following three tags inside head. -->
<meta itemprop="name" content="Python Programming Language">
<meta itemprop="description" content="Home page for Python, an interpreted,
interactive, extensive programming language. It provides an extraordinary
combination of clarity and versatility, and is open source and
comprehensively ported.">
<meta itemprop="image" content="http://www.python.org/images/python-logo.gif
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Feb 26 11:02:12 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:02:12 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
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On 26.02.2013 09:33, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25.02.2013 16:59, Carl Karsten wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Le 25/02/2013 08:38, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit :
>>>>>>> Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You?d need to add special markup to your page to define the title,
>>>>>> description and image to be shown on Facebook.  It?s part of what they
>>>>>> call OpenGraph; it?s comparable to RDFa, Microformats or schema.org,
>>>> but
>>>>>> specific to Facebook, so adding such markup may be interpreted as
>>>>>> endorsement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://mikeeverhart.net/facebook/use-ogp-tags-to-change-images-when-sharing-links-on-facebook/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whoever wants this implemented should provide something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> <head>
>>>>>     ...
>>>>>     <!-- Required OGP Tags -->
>>>>>     <meta property="og:title" content="Mike Everhart - Web Designer.
>>>>> Programmer. Geek." />
>>>>>     <meta property="og:type" content="website" />
>>>>>     <meta property="og:url" content="http://mikeeverhart.net/" />
>>>>>     <meta property="og:image"
>>>>> content="http://mikeeverhart.net/mike-everhart-facebook.png" />
>>>>>     ...
>>>>> </head>
>>>>
>>>> I just tested the image selection on Facebook. While I also see
>>>> the success story as first image, the second image is the Python
>>>> logo. The format of the logo image doesn't really fit the Facebook
>>>> or Google+, so perhaps adding an image which can be used for these
>>>> is not a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> Does Google+ have a similar standard for defining such images ?
>>>>
>>>> We could then add both to not endorse a specific social network.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=176035
>>> http://schema.org/Thing or http://schema.org/SoftwareApplication
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=www.python.org&html=
>>>
>>
>> https://developers.google.com/+/plugins/snippet/
>>
> 
> To be more specific:
> 
> <!-- Update your html tag to include the itemscope and itemtype attributes.
> -->
> <html itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/LocalBusiness">
> 
> <!-- Add the following three tags inside head. -->
> <meta itemprop="name" content="Python Programming Language">
> <meta itemprop="description" content="Home page for Python, an interpreted,
> interactive, extensive programming language. It provides an extraordinary
> combination of clarity and versatility, and is open source and
> comprehensively ported.">
> <meta itemprop="image" content="http://www.python.org/images/python-logo.gif
> ">

Thanks for the pointers.

Looks like supporting both Open Graph and schema.org would do the trick
for Facebook, Google+, MS and Yahoo.

http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1211158

We'd probably have to use http://schema.org/Organization as itemtype.

I'm not sure about adding the itemscope to the <html> tag, though...

I found the docs for the use in meta tags:
http://schema.org/docs/gs.html#advanced_missing
but no mention of using <html> as itemscope.
https://developers.google.com/+/plugins/snippet/ suggests to use the
<body> tag.

Since the meta tags would go into the header, perhaps using
the <head> tag would be more appropriate.

Is there some best practice for this documented somewhere ?

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 11:31:41 2013
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:31:41 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Images used on Python.org website,
	and Facebook
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:02 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> On 26.02.2013 09:33, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM, anatoly techtonik <
> techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 25.02.2013 16:59, Carl Karsten wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM, ?ric Araujo <merwok at netwok.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Le 25/02/2013 08:38, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit :
> >>>>>>> Does someone know which aspects to tweak in order to change this ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You?d need to add special markup to your page to define the title,
> >>>>>> description and image to be shown on Facebook.  It?s part of what
> they
> >>>>>> call OpenGraph; it?s comparable to RDFa, Microformats or schema.org
> ,
> >>>> but
> >>>>>> specific to Facebook, so adding such markup may be interpreted as
> >>>>>> endorsement.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> http://mikeeverhart.net/facebook/use-ogp-tags-to-change-images-when-sharing-links-on-facebook/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whoever wants this implemented should provide something like this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <head>
> >>>>>     ...
> >>>>>     <!-- Required OGP Tags -->
> >>>>>     <meta property="og:title" content="Mike Everhart - Web Designer.
> >>>>> Programmer. Geek." />
> >>>>>     <meta property="og:type" content="website" />
> >>>>>     <meta property="og:url" content="http://mikeeverhart.net/" />
> >>>>>     <meta property="og:image"
> >>>>> content="http://mikeeverhart.net/mike-everhart-facebook.png" />
> >>>>>     ...
> >>>>> </head>
> >>>>
> >>>> I just tested the image selection on Facebook. While I also see
> >>>> the success story as first image, the second image is the Python
> >>>> logo. The format of the logo image doesn't really fit the Facebook
> >>>> or Google+, so perhaps adding an image which can be used for these
> >>>> is not a bad idea.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does Google+ have a similar standard for defining such images ?
> >>>>
> >>>> We could then add both to not endorse a specific social network.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=176035
> >>> http://schema.org/Thing or http://schema.org/SoftwareApplication
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=www.python.org&html=
> >>>
> >>
> >> https://developers.google.com/+/plugins/snippet/
> >>
> >
> > To be more specific:
> >
> > <!-- Update your html tag to include the itemscope and itemtype
> attributes.
> > -->
> > <html itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/LocalBusiness">
> >
> > <!-- Add the following three tags inside head. -->
> > <meta itemprop="name" content="Python Programming Language">
> > <meta itemprop="description" content="Home page for Python, an
> interpreted,
> > interactive, extensive programming language. It provides an extraordinary
> > combination of clarity and versatility, and is open source and
> > comprehensively ported.">
> > <meta itemprop="image" content="
> http://www.python.org/images/python-logo.gif
> > ">
>
> Thanks for the pointers.
>
> Looks like supporting both Open Graph and schema.org would do the trick
> for Facebook, Google+, MS and Yahoo.
>
> http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1211158
>
> We'd probably have to use http://schema.org/Organization as itemtype.
>

I'd try http://shema.org/Thing if it works, because www.python.org is a
community developed language. IMHO it should work. LocalBusiness is what
snippet generator gave me.


> I'm not sure about adding the itemscope to the <html> tag, though...
>
> I found the docs for the use in meta tags:
> http://schema.org/docs/gs.html#advanced_missing
> but no mention of using <html> as itemscope.
> https://developers.google.com/+/plugins/snippet/ suggests to use the
> <body> tag.
>
> Since the meta tags would go into the header, perhaps using
> the <head> tag would be more appropriate.
>
> Is there some best practice for this documented somewhere ?
>

I'd say feel free to insert as you wish - that's the best practice. I
believe that for blog platforms like blogger you can not add content to
head different for every post. The same is true for the site with many
different pages. In those cases it is better to insert the markup inside
the body. For python.org the whole www.python.org is dedicated to one
things, so I see no problem with adding this into head, body or html.
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From rashaad at skuda.net  Tue Feb 26 22:53:50 2013
From: rashaad at skuda.net (Rashaad Essop)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:53:50 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Seems there is a malicious site linked on a wiki
	page
Message-ID: <CACsbO_y-FKLvBD3gNd2DT8Qo6DgGYwcq7sjsGHwRPrqhV1TY1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks  under the section "Other
Full-Stack Frameworks" there is a link named "Gae Framework" and it appears
to link to www[dot]gaeframework[dot]com.
I happened to click it, but I have various tools to pick up such things,
one of them is Web of Trust.
This is the WOT page for where it ends up:
http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/domains.googlesyndication.com?utm_source=addon&utm_content=warn-viewsc

I just felt I needed to report that and hope I've helped at least.

Regards,

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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Feb 26 23:11:12 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:11:12 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Seems there is a malicious site linked on a wiki
 page
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On 26.02.2013 22:53, Rashaad Essop wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks  under the section "Other
> Full-Stack Frameworks" there is a link named "Gae Framework" and it appears
> to link to www[dot]gaeframework[dot]com.
> I happened to click it, but I have various tools to pick up such things,
> one of them is Web of Trust.
> This is the WOT page for where it ends up:
> http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/domains.googlesyndication.com?utm_source=addon&utm_content=warn-viewsc

Hmm, that's the page for Google's ad syndication, not the site
you mentioned above.

Here's a VirusTotal scan of the site:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/1148db04ccef76d3e39526fa7492922a828fb133d08a477ed72e8abb6955d211/analysis/1361916367/

It looks like the project has closed down or moved on. The domain
is for sale. I've removed the link and added a note to the wiki
page entry.

Thanks,
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From michael at python.org  Thu Feb 28 17:57:03 2013
From: michael at python.org (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:57:03 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: JavaScript problem
References: <512F828F.9060002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C181B81D-B1E8-47E0-82A4-D7D3AF58AC89@python.org>

We have at least one user who is using the LibreJS extension that blocks javascript not known to be "free" (in the ideological sense). Parts of python.org break when you do this. I promised I would forward this feedback to the web team. 

It looks like the google calendars break (no surprise) and also the sphinx search for the python documentation (really a sphinx issue instead of a python.org web team issue).

Michael Foord

Begin forwarded message:

> From: LRN <lrn1986 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: JavaScript problem
> Date: 28 February 2013 16:15:11 GMT
> To: Michael Foord <michael at python.org>
> Cc: webmaster at python.org
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 28.02.2013 20:02, Michael Foord wrote:
>> We use google calendars for the release schedule and other
>> calendars, which is *probably* the Javascript you're talking about
> Yes, it could be.
> 
>> - although your report is not sufficient to actually diagnose any
>> particular problem.
> Yes, LibreJS is not very informative about its decisions about
> JavaScript code it sees. Probably because the algorithm behind these
> decisions is not trivial. I think there is some info on this in
> LibreJS readme file, but that is the extent of my knowledge
> 
>> What do you mean by "broken"?
> These features do not work. The calendar-related feature on python.org
> says that JavaScript is disabled, while search feature doesn't show
> up, without any explanations from docs.python.org
> 
>> As far as I can tell the features you describe (calendars and
>> search) all work fine.
> Apparently, they rely non-free JS code, which is blocked by LibreJS,
> which is why they do not work.
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From mal at egenix.com  Thu Feb 28 19:22:02 2013
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:22:02 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: JavaScript problem
In-Reply-To: <C181B81D-B1E8-47E0-82A4-D7D3AF58AC89@python.org>
References: <512F828F.9060002@gmail.com>
	<C181B81D-B1E8-47E0-82A4-D7D3AF58AC89@python.org>
Message-ID: <512FA04A.70407@egenix.com>

On 28.02.2013 17:57, Michael Foord wrote:
> We have at least one user who is using the LibreJS extension that blocks javascript not known to be "free" (in the ideological sense). Parts of python.org break when you do this. I promised I would forward this feedback to the web team. 
> 
> It looks like the google calendars break (no surprise) and also the sphinx search for the python documentation (really a sphinx issue instead of a python.org web team issue).

Google calendars show some HTML when JS is no working. It's not
pretty, though.

I'd say we close this as "won't fix" :-)

> Michael Foord
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: LRN <lrn1986 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: JavaScript problem
>> Date: 28 February 2013 16:15:11 GMT
>> To: Michael Foord <michael at python.org>
>> Cc: webmaster at python.org
>>
> On 28.02.2013 20:02, Michael Foord wrote:
>>>> We use google calendars for the release schedule and other
>>>> calendars, which is *probably* the Javascript you're talking about
> Yes, it could be.
> 
>>>> - although your report is not sufficient to actually diagnose any
>>>> particular problem.
> Yes, LibreJS is not very informative about its decisions about
> JavaScript code it sees. Probably because the algorithm behind these
> decisions is not trivial. I think there is some info on this in
> LibreJS readme file, but that is the extent of my knowledge
> 
>>>> What do you mean by "broken"?
> These features do not work. The calendar-related feature on python.org
> says that JavaScript is disabled, while search feature doesn't show
> up, without any explanations from docs.python.org
> 
>>>> As far as I can tell the features you describe (calendars and
>>>> search) all work fine.
> Apparently, they rely non-free JS code, which is blocked by LibreJS,
> which is why they do not work.
> 
> 
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Thu Feb 28 19:36:56 2013
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:36:56 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: JavaScript problem
In-Reply-To: <512FA04A.70407@egenix.com>
References: <512F828F.9060002@gmail.com>
	<C181B81D-B1E8-47E0-82A4-D7D3AF58AC89@python.org>
	<512FA04A.70407@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <201302281936.57193.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Thursday 28 February 2013 19:22:02 M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 28.02.2013 17:57, Michael Foord wrote:
> > We have at least one user who is using the LibreJS extension that blocks
> > javascript not known to be "free" (in the ideological sense). Parts of
> > python.org break when you do this. I promised I would forward this
> > feedback to the web team.
> >
> > It looks like the google calendars break (no surprise) and also the
> > sphinx search for the python documentation (really a sphinx issue instead
> > of a python.org web team issue).
>
> Google calendars show some HTML when JS is no working. It's not
> pretty, though.
>
> I'd say we close this as "won't fix" :-)

Is it not sufficient to have the JavaScript that is under the control of the 
Sphinx project tagged with a Free Software licence, however this is supposed 
to be done, so that LibreJS is happy about it? The inquirer may wish to 
follow up on this with the Sphinx developers.

Paul

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Feb 28 21:20:06 2013
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:20:06 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Re: JavaScript problem
Message-ID: <20130228202006.GA23648@panix.com>

----- Forwarded message from LRN <lrn1986 at gmail.com> -----

> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:21:37 +0400
> From: LRN <lrn1986 at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Foord <michael at python.org>
> CC: webmaster at python.org
> Subject: Re: JavaScript problem
> 
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> 
> On 28.02.2013 20:54, Michael Foord wrote:
>> Ah, so if you block javascript the functionality provided by that
>> javscript breaks. I don't know that using open source javascript on
>> the website has ever been a particular priority but I will pass
>> your feedback onto the web team.
> 
> To make your report a bit fuller, here's what LibreJS tells me (i just
> found this little icon in the corner, where it pops up the list of
> blocked JS functions):
> 
> 
> List of blocked JavaScript in http://www.python.org/
> 
> 
>     http://www.python.org/js/iotbs2-key-directors-load.js
> 
>     http://www.python.org/js/iotbs2-directors.js
> 
>     http://www.python.org/js/iotbs2-core.js
> 
> List of accepted JavaScript in http://www.python.org/
> 
>     LibreJS did not allow the execution of any script on this page: '
>         There may be no script on this page (check source, C-u)
>         The inline and on-page JavaScript code may not be free and/or
> may not have proper license information and external scripts (if
> present) may have been removed by default.
>         External scripts may not be free and/or may not have proper
> licensing and are not part of the whitelist of free JavaScript libraries.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for your time.
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