From mwilley73 at gmail.com Fri Mar 1 06:04:39 2013 From: mwilley73 at gmail.com (Mark Willey) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:04:39 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Doctor's Message-ID: QPORNOus ?m -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justin.rosen at dreamworks.com Fri Mar 1 22:24:10 2013 From: justin.rosen at dreamworks.com (Justin Rosen) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:24:10 -0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Decorators Message-ID: What is the licensing on the decorator code snippets found here http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDecoratorLibrary? The site says GPL, but I wasn't sure if that was the site itself or the actual code itself. Thanks! Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Justin Rosen wrote: > What is the licensing on the decorator code snippets found here > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDecoratorLibrary? > > The site says GPL, but I wasn't sure if that was the site itself or the > actual code itself. > > Thanks! > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at boddie.org.uk Sat Mar 2 16:34:10 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 16:34:10 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Decorators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201303021634.10488.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Saturday 02 March 2013 10:26:14 anatoly techtonik wrote: > The license clause is attached to MoinMoin wiki software, the code pieces > is a content and are not affected. GPL clause can be removed. It is not > needed (as the /moin/ prefix in the URL). Although the remark about the GPL applying to the MoinMoin software is correct, and thus the content is not GPL-licensed, this doesn't mean that the content is actually licensed in any explicit way whatsoever. In other words, "removing" the GPL (or actually not applying it to the content in the first place) doesn't give anyone any right to do anything with the content other than to use it on the Python Wiki itself. This is an unfortunate situation that was never resolved because I seem to remember some people regarding the unclear licensing as somehow being beneficial - the only benefit I can think of is that people perhaps don't spam the Internet with advertising-laden clones of the Python Wiki, but maybe these exist anyway - and so any content submitted to the Wiki is taking a one-way trip there. One could track down the authors of any pages to get their permission for further redistribution and use of their contributions, but no attempt has been made to do this in general. Paul From techtonik at gmail.com Sat Mar 2 17:08:23 2013 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:08:23 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Decorators In-Reply-To: <201303021634.10488.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201303021634.10488.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > On Saturday 02 March 2013 10:26:14 anatoly techtonik wrote: > > The license clause is attached to MoinMoin wiki software, the code pieces > > is a content and are not affected. GPL clause can be removed. It is not > > needed (as the /moin/ prefix in the URL). > > Although the remark about the GPL applying to the MoinMoin software is > correct, and thus the content is not GPL-licensed, this doesn't mean that > the > content is actually licensed in any explicit way whatsoever. In other > words, "removing" the GPL (or actually not applying it to the content in > the > first place) doesn't give anyone any right to do anything with the content > other than to use it on the Python Wiki itself. > > This is an unfortunate situation that was never resolved because I seem to > remember some people regarding the unclear licensing as somehow being > beneficial - the only benefit I can think of is that people perhaps don't > spam the Internet with advertising-laden clones of the Python Wiki, but > maybe > these exist anyway - and so any content submitted to the Wiki is taking a > one-way trip there. > > One could track down the authors of any pages to get their permission for > further redistribution and use of their contributions, but no attempt has > been made to do this in general. > I think it is fair to put non-HomePage wiki content to CC0 / Public Domain unless specified otherwise. If you want to preserve your rights - go publish the content in your blog and supply a link. Tracking down authors is a useless activity - nobody will do this, so I'd not make things more complicated for contributors and users. Wiki is for sharing, not for placing restrictions on each other. -- anatoly t. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at boddie.org.uk Sat Mar 2 17:28:14 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 17:28:14 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Decorators In-Reply-To: References: <201303021634.10488.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <201303021728.14527.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Saturday 02 March 2013 17:08:23 anatoly techtonik wrote: > > I think it is fair to put non-HomePage wiki content to CC0 / Public Domain > unless specified otherwise. If you want to preserve your rights - go > publish the content in your blog and supply a link. Tracking down authors > is a useless activity - nobody will do this, so I'd not make things more > complicated for contributors and users. Wiki is for sharing, not for > placing restrictions on each other. I agree that if you're contributing stuff to some site where the obvious intention is to share things with others, you probably shouldn't expect to restrict how that content is used, especially if those contributions involve editing other people's work, but the lack of any explicit licensing terms means that we can't just apply CC0 to what we already have. I don't think that it would be too difficult to get people to agree to relicensing, but I was just saying that nobody seemed to think it was worth doing in the first place. Personally, I do think it is worth it if we are to regard the content as useful or valuable, and if Justin wants to use the decorators content in some other context, I encourage him to at least consider that approach for that page before giving up. Paul From kyawminswe.2013 at gmail.com Mon Mar 4 00:56:50 2013 From: kyawminswe.2013 at gmail.com (Kyawminswe.2013) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 06:26:50 +0630 Subject: [pydotorg-www] (no subject) Message-ID: Sent from Samsung Mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at boddie.org.uk Mon Mar 4 19:18:28 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:18:28 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Decorators In-Reply-To: References: <201303021728.14527.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <201303041918.28419.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Monday 04 March 2013 18:41:50 Justin Rosen wrote: > Thanks for the reply guys, I'll pass this on to the powers that be, but it > sounds like this is prob a dead end. > > Are we able to track down the original authors? Is it worth sending a mass > email out to those who've edited this wiki page to get an OK for a fully > free license? I agree, why post code to the world if you don't want anyone > to use it. I think we all agree informally about the aspect of sharing, but we obviously have to assume that someone perhaps only contributed to the Wiki because they only wanted their edits to live there and never be used in any other context. This is why Wiki deployments often feature licensing statements when people edit pages, so that people know what they're agreeing to. The daunting task of tracking down contributors would probably start with the info page for the page in question: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDecorators?action=info Some of those edits will be effectively "null" because they will have been reverted. This leaves us with around 30 or so contributors, some of whom may be difficult to reach because they may not have much to do with Python any more and may decide to ignore any correspondence. I personally think that a prominent campaign to relicense the content would probably take a lot of the effort out of chasing up contributors, but it wouldn't eliminate the problem, and it obviously doesn't help you in your current situation, unfortunately. Paul From justin.rosen at dreamworks.com Mon Mar 4 18:41:50 2013 From: justin.rosen at dreamworks.com (Justin Rosen) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:41:50 -0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Decorators In-Reply-To: <201303021728.14527.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201303021634.10488.paul@boddie.org.uk> <201303021728.14527.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply guys, I'll pass this on to the powers that be, but it sounds like this is prob a dead end. Are we able to track down the original authors? Is it worth sending a mass email out to those who've edited this wiki page to get an OK for a fully free license? I agree, why post code to the world if you don't want anyone to use it. Thanks! Justin On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Paul Boddie wrote: > On Saturday 02 March 2013 17:08:23 anatoly techtonik wrote: > > > > I think it is fair to put non-HomePage wiki content to CC0 / Public > Domain > > unless specified otherwise. If you want to preserve your rights - go > > publish the content in your blog and supply a link. Tracking down authors > > is a useless activity - nobody will do this, so I'd not make things more > > complicated for contributors and users. Wiki is for sharing, not for > > placing restrictions on each other. > > I agree that if you're contributing stuff to some site where the obvious > intention is to share things with others, you probably shouldn't expect to > restrict how that content is used, especially if those contributions > involve > editing other people's work, but the lack of any explicit licensing terms > means that we can't just apply CC0 to what we already have. > > I don't think that it would be too difficult to get people to agree to > relicensing, but I was just saying that nobody seemed to think it was worth > doing in the first place. Personally, I do think it is worth it if we are > to > regard the content as useful or valuable, and if Justin wants to use the > decorators content in some other context, I encourage him to at least > consider that approach for that page before giving up. > > Paul > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan at gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia From g.brandl at gmx.net Sun Mar 10 16:11:24 2013 From: g.brandl at gmx.net (Georg Brandl) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:11:24 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: JavaScript problem In-Reply-To: <201302281936.57193.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <512F828F.9060002@gmail.com> <512FA04A.70407@egenix.com> <201302281936.57193.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: Am 28.02.2013 19:36, schrieb Paul Boddie: > On Thursday 28 February 2013 19:22:02 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> On 28.02.2013 17:57, Michael Foord wrote: >> > We have at least one user who is using the LibreJS extension that blocks >> > javascript not known to be "free" (in the ideological sense). Parts of >> > python.org break when you do this. I promised I would forward this >> > feedback to the web team. >> > >> > It looks like the google calendars break (no surprise) and also the >> > sphinx search for the python documentation (really a sphinx issue instead >> > of a python.org web team issue). >> >> Google calendars show some HTML when JS is no working. It's not >> pretty, though. >> >> I'd say we close this as "won't fix" :-) > > Is it not sufficient to have the JavaScript that is under the control of the > Sphinx project tagged with a Free Software licence, however this is supposed > to be done, so that LibreJS is happy about it? The inquirer may wish to > follow up on this with the Sphinx developers. Hopefully with a patch. I have no intention of figuring out how to appease this instance of GNU silliness on my own. Georg From aahz at pythoncraft.com Mon Mar 11 16:02:10 2013 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:02:10 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Additional links for the sprints committee and the outreach & education committee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130311150210.GA10621@panix.com> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Could someone please add the following links to the relevant >> descriptions on the committees page >> (http://www.python.org/psf/committees/): >> >> Sprints committee: http://pythonsprints.com/ > > Sorry, please just add the Sprints one - the O&E one needs more work > before we publicise it further. Looking at that link, my preference would be to use this URL instead: http://pythonsprints.com/about/ Let me know what you prefer. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." --Cicero From ncoghlan at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 20:58:50 2013 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 05:58:50 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Additional links for the sprints committee and the outreach & education committee In-Reply-To: <20130311150210.GA10621@panix.com> References: <20130311150210.GA10621@panix.com> Message-ID: On 12 Mar 2013 01:02, "Aahz" wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > >> > >> Could someone please add the following links to the relevant > >> descriptions on the committees page > >> (http://www.python.org/psf/committees/): > >> > >> Sprints committee: http://pythonsprints.com/ > > > > Sorry, please just add the Sprints one - the O&E one needs more work > > before we publicise it further. > > Looking at that link, my preference would be to use this URL instead: > > http://pythonsprints.com/about/ Sure, that sounds fine. Cheers, Nick. > > Let me know what you prefer. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is > writing a book." --Cicero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Done! -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." --Cicero From ncoghlan at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 21:49:44 2013 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:49:44 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Additional links for the sprints committee and the outreach & education committee In-Reply-To: <20130311204846.GB10232@panix.com> References: <20130311150210.GA10621@panix.com> <20130311204846.GB10232@panix.com> Message-ID: Thanks! Cheers, Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trish.valdez at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 23:34:47 2013 From: trish.valdez at gmail.com (trish.valdez at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:34:47 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Linking Message-ID: <95E4547B-8576-4632-9847-ADE94BD7AE0D@gmail.com> Trish Mcgregor I Makeup Hair 858)967-0027 From aahz at pythoncraft.com Tue Mar 12 02:52:19 2013 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:52:19 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Meta description - interpreted? Message-ID: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> Any objections? ----- Forwarded message from James Tatum ----- > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:24:18 -0700 > From: James Tatum > To: webmaster at python.org > Subject: Meta description - interpreted? > > Hi, > > The meta description on the home page reads as follows: > > Home page for Python, an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, extensible > programming language. It provides an extraordinary combination of clarity and > versatility, and is free and comprehensively ported. > > I think the word interpreted should perhaps be removed. How a Python > implementation executes code is really not a function of the language > itself, and as far as I know none of the implementations (including > CPython) are not strictly interpreted anyway - most use some sort of > bytecode and a VM. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." --Cicero From mal at egenix.com Tue Mar 12 08:35:25 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:35:25 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Meta description - interpreted? In-Reply-To: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> References: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> Message-ID: <513EDABD.8020201@egenix.com> On 12.03.2013 02:52, Aahz wrote: > Any objections? Not sure about that change... after all we call the Python run-time the "interpreter" and having the ability to interpret Python commands at run-time is a major feature in Python - unlike e.g. C which doesn't support this out of the box. Something that we should add to that description is the word "open-source", e.g. "...and is free, open-source and comprehensively ported." > ----- Forwarded message from James Tatum ----- > >> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:24:18 -0700 >> From: James Tatum >> To: webmaster at python.org >> Subject: Meta description - interpreted? >> >> Hi, >> >> The meta description on the home page reads as follows: >> >> Home page for Python, an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, extensible >> programming language. It provides an extraordinary combination of clarity and >> versatility, and is free and comprehensively ported. >> >> I think the word interpreted should perhaps be removed. How a Python >> implementation executes code is really not a function of the language >> itself, and as far as I know none of the implementations (including >> CPython) are not strictly interpreted anyway - most use some sort of >> bytecode and a VM. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 12 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From techtonik at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 09:24:14 2013 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:24:14 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Meta description - interpreted? In-Reply-To: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> References: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> Message-ID: It is not clear that Python is a scripting language if this part is removed. On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Aahz wrote: > Any objections? > > ----- Forwarded message from James Tatum ----- > > > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:24:18 -0700 > > From: James Tatum > > To: webmaster at python.org > > Subject: Meta description - interpreted? > > > > Hi, > > > > The meta description on the home page reads as follows: > > > > Home page for Python, an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, > extensible > > programming language. It provides an extraordinary combination of > clarity and > > versatility, and is free and comprehensively ported. > > > > I think the word interpreted should perhaps be removed. How a Python > > implementation executes code is really not a function of the language > > itself, and as far as I know none of the implementations (including > > CPython) are not strictly interpreted anyway - most use some sort of > > bytecode and a VM. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is > writing a book." --Cicero > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Tue Mar 12 14:39:36 2013 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:39:36 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Meta description - interpreted? In-Reply-To: References: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> Message-ID: <20130312133935.GA27343@panix.com> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013, anatoly techtonik wrote: > > It is not clear that Python is a scripting language if this part is removed. Python is not "a scripting language". > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Aahz wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> ----- Forwarded message from James Tatum ----- >> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:24:18 -0700 >>> From: James Tatum >>> To: webmaster at python.org >>> Subject: Meta description - interpreted? >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The meta description on the home page reads as follows: >>> >>> Home page for Python, an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, >> extensible >>> programming language. It provides an extraordinary combination of >> clarity and >>> versatility, and is free and comprehensively ported. >>> >>> I think the word interpreted should perhaps be removed. How a Python >>> implementation executes code is really not a function of the language >>> itself, and as far as I know none of the implementations (including >>> CPython) are not strictly interpreted anyway - most use some sort of >>> bytecode and a VM. >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> >> -- >> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> >> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ >> >> "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is >> writing a book." --Cicero >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." --Cicero From techtonik at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 14:44:51 2013 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:44:51 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Meta description - interpreted? In-Reply-To: <20130312133935.GA27343@panix.com> References: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> <20130312133935.GA27343@panix.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013, anatoly techtonik wrote: > > > > It is not clear that Python is a scripting language if this part is > removed. > > Python is not "a scripting language". > Your statement is well confirmed by the top voted answer, and I agree. ;) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/101055/when-is-a-language-considered-a-scripting-language > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Aahz wrote: > > > >> Any objections? > >> > >> ----- Forwarded message from James Tatum ----- > >> > >>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:24:18 -0700 > >>> From: James Tatum > >>> To: webmaster at python.org > >>> Subject: Meta description - interpreted? > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> The meta description on the home page reads as follows: > >>> > >>> Home page for Python, an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, > >> extensible > >>> programming language. It provides an extraordinary combination of > >> clarity and > >>> versatility, and is free and comprehensively ported. > >>> > >>> I think the word interpreted should perhaps be removed. How a Python > >>> implementation executes code is really not a function of the language > >>> itself, and as far as I know none of the implementations (including > >>> CPython) are not strictly interpreted anyway - most use some sort of > >>> bytecode and a VM. > >> > >> ----- End forwarded message ----- > >> > >> -- > >> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > >> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > >> > >> "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is > >> writing a book." --Cicero > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pydotorg-www mailing list > >> pydotorg-www at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > >> > > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is > writing a book." --Cicero > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Tue Mar 12 14:47:16 2013 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:47:16 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Meta description - interpreted? In-Reply-To: <513EDABD.8020201@egenix.com> References: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> <513EDABD.8020201@egenix.com> Message-ID: <20130312134716.GB27343@panix.com> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 12.03.2013 02:52, Aahz wrote: >> >> Any objections? > > Not sure about that change... after all we call the Python run-time > the "interpreter" and having the ability to interpret Python > commands at run-time is a major feature in Python - unlike > e.g. C which doesn't support this out of the box. Neither the Wikipedia page nor our own "About" page mention interpreted anymore. And the "interactive" part covers your point. So I've gone ahead and made the change. > Something that we should add to that description is the word > "open-source", e.g. > > "...and is free, open-source and comprehensively ported." Done! >> ----- Forwarded message from James Tatum ----- >> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:24:18 -0700 >>> From: James Tatum >>> To: webmaster at python.org >>> Subject: Meta description - interpreted? >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The meta description on the home page reads as follows: >>> >>> Home page for Python, an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented, extensible >>> programming language. It provides an extraordinary combination of clarity and >>> versatility, and is free and comprehensively ported. >>> >>> I think the word interpreted should perhaps be removed. How a Python >>> implementation executes code is really not a function of the language >>> itself, and as far as I know none of the implementations (including >>> CPython) are not strictly interpreted anyway - most use some sort of >>> bytecode and a VM. >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 12 2013) >>>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: > > eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg > Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 > http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." --Cicero From techtonik at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 14:52:31 2013 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:52:31 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] FWD: Meta description - interpreted? In-Reply-To: <20130312134716.GB27343@panix.com> References: <20130312015218.GA16659@panix.com> <513EDABD.8020201@egenix.com> <20130312134716.GB27343@panix.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > On 12.03.2013 02:52, Aahz wrote: > >> > >> Any objections? > > > > Not sure about that change... after all we call the Python run-time > > the "interpreter" and having the ability to interpret Python > > commands at run-time is a major feature in Python - unlike > > e.g. C which doesn't support this out of the box. > > Neither the Wikipedia page nor our own "About" page mention interpreted > anymore. And the "interactive" part covers your point. So I've gone > ahead and made the change. > "interactive" part covers IPython. It is not associated with "bytecode that gets interpreted as machine instruction". So, how is the Python as a language different from Java now? Other than dynamic vs typing? > > Something that we should add to that description is the word > > "open-source", e.g. > > > > "...and is free, open-source and comprehensively ported." > > Done! -- anatoly t. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.mcgreggor at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 19:13:32 2013 From: duncan.mcgreggor at gmail.com (Duncan McGreggor) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:13:32 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] trying to log into Wiki Message-ID: Hey folks, I just tried to hit this page: http://wiki.python.org/psf/Membership%20Map%20March%202013 And as I saw the notice at the top, I remembered the discussions around the attack. However, I can't seem to recall the user name/email combo that was on record (I no longer have the machine that I did the last time I accessed the python wiki site, so I can't check old cookies). What's the best way to get this info? Possible user names: oubiwann Oubiwann DuncanMcGreggor Possible email addresses: oubiwann at adytum.us duncan at adytum.us oubiwann at cogitat.io duncan at cogitat.io oubiwann at twistedmatrix.com duncan.mcgreggor at gmail.com ... and maybe some others? Thanks for any help you can provide, and sorry about the hassle :-( d From mal at egenix.com Tue Mar 12 19:17:10 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:17:10 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] trying to log into Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513F7126.6000902@egenix.com> Answered in private email. On 12.03.2013 19:13, Duncan McGreggor wrote: > Hey folks, > > I just tried to hit this page: > http://wiki.python.org/psf/Membership%20Map%20March%202013 > > And as I saw the notice at the top, I remembered the discussions > around the attack. > > However, I can't seem to recall the user name/email combo that was on > record (I no longer have the machine that I did the last time I > accessed the python wiki site, so I can't check old cookies). > > What's the best way to get this info? > > Possible user names: oubiwann Oubiwann DuncanMcGreggor > Possible email addresses: oubiwann at adytum.us duncan at adytum.us > oubiwann at cogitat.io duncan at cogitat.io oubiwann at twistedmatrix.com > duncan.mcgreggor at gmail.com ... and maybe some others? > > Thanks for any help you can provide, and sorry about the hassle :-( > > d > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 12 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From duncan.mcgreggor at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 19:22:22 2013 From: duncan.mcgreggor at gmail.com (Duncan McGreggor) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:22:22 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] trying to log into Wiki In-Reply-To: <513F7126.6000902@egenix.com> References: <513F7126.6000902@egenix.com> Message-ID: Fantastic! Thanks, so much :-) d On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Answered in private email. > > On 12.03.2013 19:13, Duncan McGreggor wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> I just tried to hit this page: >> http://wiki.python.org/psf/Membership%20Map%20March%202013 >> >> And as I saw the notice at the top, I remembered the discussions >> around the attack. >> >> However, I can't seem to recall the user name/email combo that was on >> record (I no longer have the machine that I did the last time I >> accessed the python wiki site, so I can't check old cookies). >> >> What's the best way to get this info? >> >> Possible user names: oubiwann Oubiwann DuncanMcGreggor >> Possible email addresses: oubiwann at adytum.us duncan at adytum.us >> oubiwann at cogitat.io duncan at cogitat.io oubiwann at twistedmatrix.com >> duncan.mcgreggor at gmail.com ... and maybe some others? >> >> Thanks for any help you can provide, and sorry about the hassle :-( >> >> d >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 12 2013) >>>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: > > eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg > Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 > http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From cfkarsten at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 00:53:33 2013 From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:53:33 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Live streaming? In-Reply-To: References: <2C78614571B4407A95CCE599824C4CDC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can we get this on python.org till pycon is over? Maybe put is as a news/blog thing? On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Tim Videos us! > > http://www.timvideos.us > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: >> Are you guys doing the live streaming? If so, url? I can't remember >> >> > > > > -- > Carl K -- Carl K From paul at boddie.org.uk Mon Mar 18 18:51:25 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:51:25 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam Message-ID: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> Hello, We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and has been given a set of effective questions? Thanks, Paul From mal at egenix.com Mon Mar 18 19:00:49 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:00:49 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <51475651.3000800@egenix.com> On 18.03.2013 18:51, Paul Boddie wrote: > Hello, > > We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with > administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and has > been given a set of effective questions? We've been seeing the same development on the Jython wiki. I guess they just realized that the Python wiki will likely get them even more Google juice: http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges Unfortunately, the wiki spam appears to from real humans, so textchas don't really help much. I've also checked IP ranges, but it doesn't help either. Of course, ideas as welcome :-) We may end up having to require people to take some extra step in order to open an account on the wikis. Unfortunately, that makes it harder for non-spam wiki editors to sign up as well. I can add new textchas, if you like. Please send them directly to me. Alternatively, it'd probably be a good idea to get you access to the wiki VM, so you can edit them directly. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 18 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From sheep at sheep.art.pl Mon Mar 18 19:00:37 2013 From: sheep at sheep.art.pl (Radomir Dopieralski) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:00:37 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > Hello, > > We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with > administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and has > been given a set of effective questions? You can see that it is enabled by visiting this link: http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount (make sure you are logged out) As for the questions, I'm open to suggestions. -- Radomir Dopieralski, http://sheep.art.pl From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Mar 18 19:03:41 2013 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:03:41 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <51475651.3000800@egenix.com> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51475651.3000800@egenix.com> Message-ID: <20130318180341.GN24409@charite.de> * M.-A. Lemburg : > We've been seeing the same development on the Jython wiki. I guess > they just realized that the Python wiki will likely get them > even more Google juice: > > http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges > > Unfortunately, the wiki spam appears to from real humans, > so textchas don't really help much. > > I've also checked IP ranges, but it doesn't help either. > > Of course, ideas as welcome :-) Maybe block using some blacklists (we're using sbl.spamhaus.org) using mod-spamhaus or similar modules. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charite Universit?tsmedizin Berlin ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de Campus Benjamin Franklin http://www.charite.de Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin Gesch?ftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155 From mal at egenix.com Mon Mar 18 19:44:51 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:44:51 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <20130318180341.GN24409@charite.de> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51475651.3000800@egenix.com> <20130318180341.GN24409@charite.de> Message-ID: <514760A3.60009@egenix.com> On 18.03.2013 19:03, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > * M.-A. Lemburg : > >> We've been seeing the same development on the Jython wiki. I guess >> they just realized that the Python wiki will likely get them >> even more Google juice: >> >> http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges >> >> Unfortunately, the wiki spam appears to from real humans, >> so textchas don't really help much. >> >> I've also checked IP ranges, but it doesn't help either. >> >> Of course, ideas are welcome :-) > > Maybe block using some blacklists (we're using sbl.spamhaus.org) using > mod-spamhaus or similar modules. Do they have RBLs for wikis ? I thought they only do email blacklisting. Their website appears to be down at the moment. I'll check again later. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 18 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From paul at boddie.org.uk Mon Mar 18 19:58:06 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:58:06 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <201303181958.06725.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Monday 18 March 2013 19:00:37 Radomir Dopieralski wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > > Hello, > > > > We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with > > administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and > > has been given a set of effective questions? > > You can see that it is enabled by visiting this link: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount > > (make sure you are logged out) > > As for the questions, I'm open to suggestions. I don't think "How many words are in this question?" is really setting the bar very high for spammers. Textcha questions are supposed to retain the context of the site on which they are placed so that bulk spamming cannot just scrape the question and serve it up to someone on some other site. This means that we should be asking Python-related questions, not simple "Are you human?" questions that ceased to be effective about ten years ago. Paul From chris at simplistix.co.uk Mon Mar 18 21:01:48 2013 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:01:48 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <51475651.3000800@egenix.com> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51475651.3000800@egenix.com> Message-ID: <514772AC.8050700@simplistix.co.uk> On 18/03/2013 18:00, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > We've been seeing the same development on the Jython wiki. I guess > they just realized that the Python wiki will likely get them > even more Google juice: > > http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges > > Of course, ideas as welcome :-) I've had success with Akismet: http://akismet.com/ Not that hard to wire in for a blog, maybe the same could be done for wiki edits? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From techtonik at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 21:56:04 2013 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:56:04 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: Does MoinMoin support moderated edits by new users? -- anatoly t. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > Hello, > > We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with > administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and has > been given a set of effective questions? > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at boddie.org.uk Mon Mar 18 22:09:32 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:09:32 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <201303182209.32316.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Monday 18 March 2013 21:56:04 anatoly techtonik wrote: > Does MoinMoin support moderated edits by new users? Not out of the box, at least to my knowledge, but I have written an extension that puts edits in an approval queue for each page if the contributor is not part of the approved contributor group. That said, just asking more sophisticated textcha questions will mostly take care of this problem, as we saw with this Wiki before. Paul From noah at coderanger.net Mon Mar 18 23:17:23 2013 From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:17:23 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Migrating python.org to OSL Message-ID: <8A2481BA-2B3E-4C10-BD9B-21A5DEB0BD0A@coderanger.net> As part of the PyCon sprints I would like to move python.org off dinsdale to a VM at OSL. Due to the build system being tied to SVN, I'll also migrate that service on the same VM. Do any SVN repos other than www/ need to remain available? This would require at least some period of not changing the website, probably a few hours, but I don't think that would be a problem. This is mostly a legacy move so I'm not going to clean it up much, we'll have a new site soon enough. --Noah -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is mostly a legacy move so I'm not going to clean it up much, >we'll have a new site soon enough. Not that I'm aware of. As Benjamin noted, all RMs will need upload access and it would be great to get a CNAME that won't change (anything will do) since we'll need to update PEP 101 and probably the release script. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mal at egenix.com Tue Mar 19 00:23:29 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:23:29 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Migrating python.org to OSL In-Reply-To: <8A2481BA-2B3E-4C10-BD9B-21A5DEB0BD0A@coderanger.net> References: <8A2481BA-2B3E-4C10-BD9B-21A5DEB0BD0A@coderanger.net> Message-ID: <5147A1F1.8090808@egenix.com> Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > As part of the PyCon sprints I would like to move python.org off dinsdale to a VM at OSL. Due to the build system being tied to SVN, I'll also migrate that service on the same VM. Do any SVN repos other than www/ need to remain available? This would require at least some period of not changing the website, probably a few hours, but I don't think that would be a problem. This is mostly a legacy move so I'm not going to clean it up much, we'll have a new site soon enough. The repos with public interfaces: http://svn.python.org/view/ will need to remain available to keep old links in e.g. bug reports working. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From noah at coderanger.net Tue Mar 19 00:27:59 2013 From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:27:59 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Migrating python.org to OSL In-Reply-To: <5147A1F1.8090808@egenix.com> References: <8A2481BA-2B3E-4C10-BD9B-21A5DEB0BD0A@coderanger.net> <5147A1F1.8090808@egenix.com> Message-ID: <1799EA9C-0092-430D-B5F7-73E60E2E5F91@coderanger.net> On Mar 18, 2013, at 4:23 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Noah Kantrowitz wrote: >> As part of the PyCon sprints I would like to move python.org off dinsdale to a VM at OSL. Due to the build system being tied to SVN, I'll also migrate that service on the same VM. Do any SVN repos other than www/ need to remain available? This would require at least some period of not changing the website, probably a few hours, but I don't think that would be a problem. This is mostly a legacy move so I'm not going to clean it up much, we'll have a new site soon enough. > > The repos with public interfaces: > > http://svn.python.org/view/ > > will need to remain available to keep old links in e.g. > bug reports working. Okay, thats just a single repo ("projects") which is the default one. The packages repo is also visible but I'm okay with breaking that given how most code has been removed in the current trunk and links are rare (thats the old home for the PyPI code and related stuffs). Are we okay with that projects repo being full read-only? --Noah -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 203 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From mal at egenix.com Tue Mar 19 08:44:35 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:44:35 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Migrating python.org to OSL In-Reply-To: <1799EA9C-0092-430D-B5F7-73E60E2E5F91@coderanger.net> References: <8A2481BA-2B3E-4C10-BD9B-21A5DEB0BD0A@coderanger.net> <5147A1F1.8090808@egenix.com> <1799EA9C-0092-430D-B5F7-73E60E2E5F91@coderanger.net> Message-ID: <51481763.3030907@egenix.com> On 19.03.2013 00:27, Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2013, at 4:23 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> Noah Kantrowitz wrote: >>> As part of the PyCon sprints I would like to move python.org off dinsdale to a VM at OSL. Due to the build system being tied to SVN, I'll also migrate that service on the same VM. Do any SVN repos other than www/ need to remain available? This would require at least some period of not changing the website, probably a few hours, but I don't think that would be a problem. This is mostly a legacy move so I'm not going to clean it up much, we'll have a new site soon enough. >> >> The repos with public interfaces: >> >> http://svn.python.org/view/ >> >> will need to remain available to keep old links in e.g. >> bug reports working. > > Okay, thats just a single repo ("projects") which is the default one. The packages repo is also visible but I'm okay with breaking that given how most code has been removed in the current trunk and links are rare (thats the old home for the PyPI code and related stuffs). Are we okay with that projects repo being full read-only? Looking at the page, there are some checkins which are only a few months old, so I'm not sure whether those can be made read-only, e.g. external/ or sandbox/ Releases for older Python versions are still done from SVN, but those should be rare nowadays. It's probably better to ask on python-dev or the lists used by the projects. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 19 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From solipsis at pitrou.net Tue Mar 19 09:00:12 2013 From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:00:12 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Infrastructure] Migrating python.org to OSL In-Reply-To: <51481763.3030907@egenix.com> References: <8A2481BA-2B3E-4C10-BD9B-21A5DEB0BD0A@coderanger.net> <5147A1F1.8090808@egenix.com> <1799EA9C-0092-430D-B5F7-73E60E2E5F91@coderanger.net> <51481763.3030907@egenix.com> Message-ID: <1363680012.3495.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 19 mars 2013 ? 08:44 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg a ?crit : > On 19.03.2013 00:27, Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > > > > On Mar 18, 2013, at 4:23 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > >> Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > >>> As part of the PyCon sprints I would like to move python.org off dinsdale to a VM at OSL. Due to the build system being tied to SVN, I'll also migrate that service on the same VM. Do any SVN repos other than www/ need to remain available? This would require at least some period of not changing the website, probably a few hours, but I don't think that would be a problem. This is mostly a legacy move so I'm not going to clean it up much, we'll have a new site soon enough. > >> > >> The repos with public interfaces: > >> > >> http://svn.python.org/view/ > >> > >> will need to remain available to keep old links in e.g. > >> bug reports working. > > > > Okay, thats just a single repo ("projects") which is the default one. The packages repo is also visible but I'm okay with breaking that given how most code has been removed in the current trunk and links are rare (thats the old home for the PyPI code and related stuffs). Are we okay with that projects repo being full read-only? > > Looking at the page, there are some checkins which are only > a few months old, so I'm not sure whether those can be > made read-only, e.g. external/ or sandbox/ external/ holds snapshots of 3rd-party libs (OpenSSL, etc.) that are used for e.g. Windows builds and doc builds. OTOH, "old links in bug reports" don't need SVN to work, they are mapped onto a conversion Web service in hg.python.org: e.g. http://hg.python.org/lookup/r12345 Regards Antoine. From mal at egenix.com Tue Mar 19 09:14:53 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:14:53 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <201303181958.06725.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <201303181958.06725.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> On 18.03.2013 19:58, Paul Boddie wrote: > On Monday 18 March 2013 19:00:37 Radomir Dopieralski wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with >>> administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and >>> has been given a set of effective questions? >> >> You can see that it is enabled by visiting this link: >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount >> >> (make sure you are logged out) >> >> As for the questions, I'm open to suggestions. > > I don't think "How many words are in this question?" is really setting the bar > very high for spammers. Textcha questions are supposed to retain the context > of the site on which they are placed so that bulk spamming cannot just scrape > the question and serve it up to someone on some other site. This means that > we should be asking Python-related questions, not simple "Are you human?" > questions that ceased to be effective about ten years ago. Reimar is currently running a test on the Jython wiki. He marked "http" as bad content, which results in all edits including that word to get rejected. At least on the Jython wiki, this has apparently stopped the spam pages from getting created: http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges It's not a permanent solution, though, since it prevents adding links to pages. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 19 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From mal at python.org Tue Mar 19 09:30:13 2013 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:30:13 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <201303181958.06725.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> Message-ID: <51482215.8010607@python.org> On 19.03.2013 09:14, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 18.03.2013 19:58, Paul Boddie wrote: >> On Monday 18 March 2013 19:00:37 Radomir Dopieralski wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with >>>> administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and >>>> has been given a set of effective questions? >>> >>> You can see that it is enabled by visiting this link: >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount >>> >>> (make sure you are logged out) >>> >>> As for the questions, I'm open to suggestions. >> >> I don't think "How many words are in this question?" is really setting the bar >> very high for spammers. Textcha questions are supposed to retain the context >> of the site on which they are placed so that bulk spamming cannot just scrape >> the question and serve it up to someone on some other site. This means that >> we should be asking Python-related questions, not simple "Are you human?" >> questions that ceased to be effective about ten years ago. > > Reimar is currently running a test on the Jython wiki. He marked > "http" as bad content, which results in all edits including that > word to get rejected. > > At least on the Jython wiki, this has apparently stopped the spam > pages from getting created: > > http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges > > It's not a permanent solution, though, since it prevents adding > links to pages. I've added a new set of textchas to the Python wiki. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg PSF Vice Chairman From paul at boddie.org.uk Tue Mar 19 22:52:42 2013 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:52:42 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <51482215.8010607@python.org> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> <51482215.8010607@python.org> Message-ID: <201303192252.42672.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:30:13 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > I've added a new set of textchas to the Python wiki. Thanks to both of you for configuring the wiki and improving the textcha questions. This makes it a lot easier and more rewarding to keep maintaining the wiki content. Paul From techtonik at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 08:33:00 2013 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:33:00 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <201303192252.42672.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> <51482215.8010607@python.org> <201303192252.42672.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Paul Boddie wrote: > On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:30:13 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > > I've added a new set of textchas to the Python wiki. > > Thanks to both of you for configuring the wiki and improving the textcha > questions. This makes it a lot easier and more rewarding to keep > maintaining > the wiki content. > I don't know. I found myself run out of patience typing those new long phrases. Users with editing history should not suffer. Is it complicated to find a place in MoinMoin to insert a check of len(user.edits) > 5 for textcha display and validation? -- anatoly t. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mal at python.org Wed Mar 20 09:44:09 2013 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:44:09 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <201303181958.06725.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> Message-ID: <514976D9.8000408@python.org> On 19.03.2013 09:14, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 18.03.2013 19:58, Paul Boddie wrote: >> On Monday 18 March 2013 19:00:37 Radomir Dopieralski wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with >>>> administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and >>>> has been given a set of effective questions? >>> >>> You can see that it is enabled by visiting this link: >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount >>> >>> (make sure you are logged out) >>> >>> As for the questions, I'm open to suggestions. >> >> I don't think "How many words are in this question?" is really setting the bar >> very high for spammers. Textcha questions are supposed to retain the context >> of the site on which they are placed so that bulk spamming cannot just scrape >> the question and serve it up to someone on some other site. This means that >> we should be asking Python-related questions, not simple "Are you human?" >> questions that ceased to be effective about ten years ago. > > Reimar is currently running a test on the Jython wiki. He marked > "http" as bad content, which results in all edits including that > word to get rejected. > > At least on the Jython wiki, this has apparently stopped the spam > pages from getting created: > > http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges > > It's not a permanent solution, though, since it prevents adding > links to pages. The experiment has resulted in the spam being stopped. Unfortunately, it also prohibited any edits of pages with links on them - even by regular wiki users. I've removed the http again and will add a new set of textchas for now. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg PSF Vice Chairman From mal at egenix.com Wed Mar 20 10:08:10 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:08:10 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> <51482215.8010607@python.org> <201303192252.42672.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <51497C7A.7070600@egenix.com> On 20.03.2013 08:33, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Paul Boddie wrote: > >> On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:30:13 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> >>> I've added a new set of textchas to the Python wiki. >> >> Thanks to both of you for configuring the wiki and improving the textcha >> questions. This makes it a lot easier and more rewarding to keep >> maintaining >> the wiki content. >> > > I don't know. I found myself run out of patience typing those new long > phrases. > Users with editing history should not suffer. Is it complicated to find a > place in > MoinMoin to insert a check of len(user.edits) > 5 for textcha display and > validation? The only way to disable textchas is by adding the user name to an editor wiki group. If we can't get things under control, we will have to start using such a group and disable public editing of pages :-( -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 20 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From mal at python.org Wed Mar 20 10:09:22 2013 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:09:22 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <514976D9.8000408@python.org> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <201303181958.06725.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> <514976D9.8000408@python.org> Message-ID: <51497CC2.5040805@python.org> On 20.03.2013 09:44, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 19.03.2013 09:14, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> On 18.03.2013 19:58, Paul Boddie wrote: >>> On Monday 18 March 2013 19:00:37 Radomir Dopieralski wrote: >>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> We're getting a fair amount of spam on the Python Wiki. Can someone with >>>>> administrative privileges check that the textcha feature is enabled and >>>>> has been given a set of effective questions? >>>> >>>> You can see that it is enabled by visiting this link: >>>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount >>>> >>>> (make sure you are logged out) >>>> >>>> As for the questions, I'm open to suggestions. >>> >>> I don't think "How many words are in this question?" is really setting the bar >>> very high for spammers. Textcha questions are supposed to retain the context >>> of the site on which they are placed so that bulk spamming cannot just scrape >>> the question and serve it up to someone on some other site. This means that >>> we should be asking Python-related questions, not simple "Are you human?" >>> questions that ceased to be effective about ten years ago. >> >> Reimar is currently running a test on the Jython wiki. He marked >> "http" as bad content, which results in all edits including that >> word to get rejected. >> >> At least on the Jython wiki, this has apparently stopped the spam >> pages from getting created: >> >> http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges >> >> It's not a permanent solution, though, since it prevents adding >> links to pages. > > The experiment has resulted in the spam being stopped. Unfortunately, > it also prohibited any edits of pages with links on them - even > by regular wiki users. > > I've removed the http again and will add a new set of textchas > for now. Within a few minutes of removing the "http", the spam started rolling in again. I hope the new textchas will raise the bar a bit. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg PSF Vice Chairman From mal at egenix.com Wed Mar 20 12:00:09 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:00:09 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Looking for good textcha ideas (was: Python Wiki Spam) In-Reply-To: <51497CC2.5040805@python.org> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <201303181958.06725.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> <514976D9.8000408@python.org> <51497CC2.5040805@python.org> Message-ID: <514996B9.5020101@egenix.com> In order to protect our wikis against excessive spam, we are using textchas (short questions and answers) which users have to answer before they can commit their changes or sign up to the sites. I found that short Python snippet work well, since they require domain knowledge that you cannot simply look up in Wikipedia, e.g. "l = [1,2,3]; del l[1]; l[0] ==". Would be great if you could send me some more ideas for such textchas (please don't post the answers to this list; just posting the questions is fine). PS: Please make sure that the questions work in both Python 2 and 3 and produce the same or at least similar answers. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 20 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2013-03-13: Released eGenix pyOpenSSL 0.13 ... http://egenix.com/go39 ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. 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More is on our websites {UNSUBSCRIBE - send e-mail to unsubscribe at microalpha.com with subject line "unsubscribe"} This message is fully complyes with the US CAN Spam Act This message was send to you due to potential ability to utilize our new patented innovations proven by our clients for last 15 years We obtained your e-mail address from a complementary list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mal at egenix.com Fri Mar 22 12:19:05 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:19:05 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <20130320073014.1eb334e0@anarchist> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> <51482215.8010607@python.org> <201303192252.42672.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51497C7A.7070600@egenix.com> <20130320073014.1eb334e0@anarchist> Message-ID: <514C3E29.90808@egenix.com> On 20.03.2013 15:30, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> If we can't get things under control, we will have to start >> using such a group and disable public editing of pages :-( > > FWIW, we've long had this policy on the Mailman wiki. It was the only > successful way to control spam. Sign up is open (and yes, we occasionally > have to delete profile spam), but folks have to email the mailman-cabal to > request write/edit access. We don't get a lot of such requests, so the > process is quite manageable, and we get almost zero spam now. Did this have an effect on the number of editors of the wiki ? The usual complaint when doing this is that you prevent quick edits (e.g. typo corrections) by raising the bar in this way. After the recent updates to the textchas, the profile spam has apparently stopped: http://wiki.python.org/jython/RecentChanges So perhaps making the textchas a little more complicated and also starting a process to accept people to the trusted editor group would solve the problem. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 22 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2013-03-13: Released eGenix pyOpenSSL 0.13 ... http://egenix.com/go39 ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From michael at voidspace.org.uk Fri Mar 22 14:41:59 2013 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:41:59 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Python homepage news section still shows Python at risk References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: Remco Wendt > Subject: Python homepage news section still shows Python at risk > Date: 22 March 2013 12:46:40 GMT > To: webmaster at python.org > > Hello, > > The current python homepage still makes it look like the UK Trademark issue is current, but fortunately it has been resolved: http://pyfound.blogspot.nl/2013/03/python-software-foundation-reaches.html so it would be nice to update the homepage accordingly. I presented the call to action during the Dutch Python Meetup yesterday only to find out through the audience that the issue was resolved :P > > Cheers, > Remco -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at python.org Fri Mar 22 15:53:05 2013 From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:53:05 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Python homepage news section still shows Python at risk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Michael Foord wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Remco Wendt > Subject: Python homepage news section still shows Python at risk > Date: 22 March 2013 12:46:40 GMT > To: webmaster at python.org > > Hello, > > The current python homepage still makes it look like the UK Trademark issue > is current, but fortunately it has been resolved: > http://pyfound.blogspot.nl/2013/03/python-software-foundation-reaches.html > so it would be nice to update the homepage accordingly. I presented the call > to action during the Dutch Python Meetup yesterday only to find out through > the audience that the issue was resolved :P Updated From barry at python.org Fri Mar 22 16:04:01 2013 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:04:01 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Spam In-Reply-To: <514C3E29.90808@egenix.com> References: <201303181851.25602.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51481E7D.7000007@egenix.com> <51482215.8010607@python.org> <201303192252.42672.paul@boddie.org.uk> <51497C7A.7070600@egenix.com> <20130320073014.1eb334e0@anarchist> <514C3E29.90808@egenix.com> Message-ID: <20130322110401.32d2a7d1@anarchist> On Mar 22, 2013, at 12:19 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >Did this have an effect on the number of editors of the wiki ? It probably did, but it's hard to gauge. It's not like we had a ton of non-spam editors previously. We never denied anybody write access if they asked though. >The usual complaint when doing this is that you prevent quick >edits (e.g. typo corrections) by raising the bar in this way. Yep. Unfortunately, it was taking way too much of our time weeding out the spam, so before the policy, our wiki was arguably less useful. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: not available URL: From georg at python.org Sun Mar 24 07:56:54 2013 From: georg at python.org (Georg Brandl) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:56:54 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: FSF Award at LibrePlanet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <514EA3B6.6010509@python.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Do we want to put this on the front page? Georg - -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: FSF Award at LibrePlanet Datum: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:32:02 -0400 Von: Fernando Perez Antwort an: Discussions about using IPython. http://ipython.org An: IPython Development list , IPython User list Newsgruppen: gmane.comp.python.ipython.user Referenzen: ... and we're now on slashdot: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/03/24/0053214/2012-free-software-award-winners-announced -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFOo7YACgkQN9GcIYhpnLBZ7QCfUyWkNNSce1goLIfA9peVegm3 CS0An2sw1u/S9Vn3ExmY8MlGwnyCD59h =MYF8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mal at egenix.com Sun Mar 24 23:44:38 2013 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:44:38 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] https://wiki.python.org/ enabled Message-ID: <514F81D6.2060609@egenix.com> FYI: We've enabled the load balancer for wiki.python.org now. This has the nice side-effect that the wikis can now all be accessed via the HTTPS link. At the moment this is still in a test phase. Once we're confident that things work fine, we'll switch on the redirect from the HTTP to the HTTPS URL to make logins more secure. If you find problems, please let me know. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 24 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2013-03-13: Released eGenix pyOpenSSL 0.13 ... http://egenix.com/go39 ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From techtonik at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 08:31:02 2013 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:31:02 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: FSF Award at LibrePlanet In-Reply-To: <514EA3B6.6010509@python.org> References: <514EA3B6.6010509@python.org> Message-ID: I am +1 for the reminder that usability matters. -- anatoly t. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Do we want to put this on the front page? > > Georg > > > - -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Betreff: Re: FSF Award at LibrePlanet > Datum: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:32:02 -0400 > Von: Fernando Perez > Antwort an: Discussions about using IPython. http://ipython.org > > An: IPython Development list , IPython User list > > Newsgruppen: gmane.comp.python.ipython.user > Referenzen: < > CAHAreOrRAVWE4DKOVXUa-NDXO2Af7ecKjY8qMhDHg7af8SFkbg at mail.gmail.com> > > ... and we're now on slashdot: > > > http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/03/24/0053214/2012-free-software-award-winners-announced > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlFOo7YACgkQN9GcIYhpnLBZ7QCfUyWkNNSce1goLIfA9peVegm3 > CS0An2sw1u/S9Vn3ExmY8MlGwnyCD59h > =MYF8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dlegrow at yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 16:03:52 2013 From: dlegrow at yahoo.com (Dave Legrow) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken Visual Python links on Gui Page In-Reply-To: References: <1364394499.65013.YahooMailNeo@web124502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364396632.58761.YahooMailNeo@web124504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Rather bizarre - both links work now.? However the visualpython.org domain appears to have been lost to a data agregator selling adspace. My apology. Dave ________________________________ From: anatoly techtonik To: Dave Legrow Cc: "pydotorg-www at python.org" Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Broken Visual Python links on Gui Page Wiki is editable. If you won't find references on web.archive.org, and authors won't respond, I suggest remove it. -- anatoly t. On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Dave Legrow wrote: > >On page: > > > >http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming > > >Both Visual Python links are broken. > >Dave >_______________________________________________ >pydotorg-www mailing list >pydotorg-www at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtonik at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 22:17:31 2013 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:17:31 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken Visual Python links on Gui Page In-Reply-To: <1364396632.58761.YahooMailNeo@web124504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1364394499.65013.YahooMailNeo@web124502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1364396632.58761.YahooMailNeo@web124504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It happens. If both links are meant to point to the same interpreter, you can kill the one that doesn't work. -- anatoly t. On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Dave Legrow wrote: > Rather bizarre - both links work now. However the visualpython.orgdomain appears to have been lost to a data agregator selling adspace. My > apology. > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > *From:* anatoly techtonik > *To:* Dave Legrow > *Cc:* "pydotorg-www at python.org" > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:46 AM > *Subject:* Re: [pydotorg-www] Broken Visual Python links on Gui Page > > Wiki is editable. If you won't find references on web.archive.org, and > authors won't respond, I suggest remove it. > > -- > anatoly t. > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Dave Legrow wrote: > > > On page: > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming > > Both Visual Python links are broken. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 23:14:33 2013 From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:14:33 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig Message-ID: Hi all, apologies for the x-post, Could someone please help me retire the catalog-sig? I'm about to notify all current members, telling them to subscribe to the distutils-sig if they wish to. I believe the references to the catalog-sig are on: http://www.python.org/community/sigs/ http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/ and it needs to be moved to: http://www.python.org/community/sigs/retired/ I will update all PEPs that have Discussions-To set to the catalog-sig. Does deleting the mailing list remove the archives? I wouldn't want that to happen. Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 23:30:00 2013 From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:30:00 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've figured how to disable most things to do with subscription so now all I need really is that the SIG be moved from the current list to the retired list. The relevant PEPs have also been updated. Richard On 31 March 2013 09:14, Richard Jones wrote: > Hi all, apologies for the x-post, > > Could someone please help me retire the catalog-sig? I'm about to notify > all current members, telling them to subscribe to the distutils-sig if they > wish to. I believe the references to the catalog-sig are on: > > http://www.python.org/community/sigs/ > http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/ > > and it needs to be moved to: > > http://www.python.org/community/sigs/retired/ > > I will update all PEPs that have Discussions-To set to the catalog-sig. > > Does deleting the mailing list remove the archives? I wouldn't want that > to happen. > > > Richard > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amk at amk.ca Sat Mar 30 23:44:14 2013 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:44:14 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130330224414.GA3965@datl9makuchling.home> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 09:30:00AM +1100, Richard Jones wrote: > I've figured how to disable most things to do with subscription so now all > I need really is that the SIG be moved from the current list to the retired > list. The relevant PEPs have also been updated. I'm working on updating the web site. If you need me, see if I'm in #psf on freenode. --amk From amk at amk.ca Sun Mar 31 00:07:37 2013 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 19:07:37 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig In-Reply-To: <20130330224414.GA3965@datl9makuchling.home> References: <20130330224414.GA3965@datl9makuchling.home> Message-ID: <20130330230737.GA4326@datl9makuchling.home> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 06:44:14PM -0400, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 09:30:00AM +1100, Richard Jones wrote: > > I've figured how to disable most things to do with subscription so now all > > I need really is that the SIG be moved from the current list to the retired > > list. The relevant PEPs have also been updated. > > I'm working on updating the web site. If you need me, see if I'm in > #psf on freenode. Done. http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/catalog-sig/ still works; the site-build software isn't smart enough to remove it. (Someone with access to www.python.org could manually find and remove that directory.) --amk From r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 01:39:58 2013 From: r1chardj0n3s at gmail.com (Richard Jones) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:39:58 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Retiring catalog-sig In-Reply-To: <20130330230737.GA4326@datl9makuchling.home> References: <20130330224414.GA3965@datl9makuchling.home> <20130330230737.GA4326@datl9makuchling.home> Message-ID: Thanks! BTW, I'm only listed as (co-)admin for catalog-sig - I would be happy to also (co-)admin distutils-sig. Richard On 31 March 2013 10:07, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 06:44:14PM -0400, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 09:30:00AM +1100, Richard Jones wrote: > > > I've figured how to disable most things to do with subscription so now > all > > > I need really is that the SIG be moved from the current list to the > retired > > > list. The relevant PEPs have also been updated. > > > > I'm working on updating the web site. If you need me, see if I'm in > > #psf on freenode. > > Done. http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/catalog-sig/ still > works; the site-build software isn't smart enough to remove it. > (Someone with access to www.python.org could manually find and remove > that directory.) > > --amk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: