From michael at voidspace.org.uk Wed Aug 6 08:41:21 2014 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 09:41:21 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues References: Message-ID: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk> Begin forwarded message: > From: Jessica McKellar > Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues > Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST > To: pydotorg > > Hi folks, > > Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that action is restricted to project admins. > > 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives? > > 2. How can I check who the project admins are? > > 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction? > > -Jessica > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Brianna Laugher > Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM > Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues > To: jesstess at mit.edu > Cc: Nick Coghlan > > > Hi Jessica! > > I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good project for newbies to contribute to. > > I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the following issues as "easy pickings": > > - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list) > - Dead link and typo #422 > - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397 > - newjobs/review statusaction #447 > - job board - extra escaping #446 > - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429 > - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428 > - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392 > - Order download files better #273 > - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254 > > It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous). > > cheers > Brianna > > > -- > They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pydotorg mailing list > Pydotorg at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at holdenweb.com Wed Aug 6 22:20:59 2014 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:20:59 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues In-Reply-To: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk> References: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <7302FC6B-B2E0-4016-A068-1FA26A92F4D7@holdenweb.com> Hi! Could we maybe set up a once-monthly FAQ post giving noobs the lowdown on how to reach the repo and build a local site copy? S On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Jessica McKellar >> Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues >> Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST >> To: pydotorg >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that action is restricted to project admins. >> >> 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives? >> >> 2. How can I check who the project admins are? >> >> 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction? >> >> -Jessica >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Brianna Laugher >> Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM >> Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues >> To: jesstess at mit.edu >> Cc: Nick Coghlan >> >> >> Hi Jessica! >> >> I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good project for newbies to contribute to. >> >> I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the following issues as "easy pickings": >> >> - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list) >> - Dead link and typo #422 >> - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397 >> - newjobs/review statusaction #447 >> - job board - extra escaping #446 >> - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429 >> - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428 >> - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392 >> - Order download files better #273 >> - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254 >> >> It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous). >> >> cheers >> Brianna >> >> >> -- >> They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pydotorg mailing list >> Pydotorg at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg > > > -- > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ > > May you do good and not evil > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others > May you share freely, never taking more than you give. > -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psf-redesign mailing list > Psf-redesign at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-redesign Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb -- Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? 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In result: - pydotorg-www@ stops to function, redirects to pydotorg - pydotorg@ is closed and renamed, new pydotorg is created, which becomes open (public) point of contact with public list of subscribers (with admin/activity/committer to project marks), searchable archives and link to web interfaces for posting (nabble or Mailman3) - infrastructure@ is the list where all sensitive information is handled - closed or open - depends on admins professionalism, who do not rely on security by obscurity schemes - security@ is the list to accept mail from lurking hackers, as usual If that goes well, I promise to give a further boon to resolve user experience problems for new contributors, and I guess that we need some fresh blood who knows about HTML5, Angular, d3 and all that fancy CSS generators that are extensively used by Ruby folks. That's is deadly wrong that we don't have an inclusive playground for new talents and instead of learning new things and adapting out habits, force them to use our old and often very awkward practices. On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > Hi! Could we maybe set up a once-monthly FAQ post giving noobs the lowdown > on how to reach the repo and build a local site copy? > > S > > On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Jessica McKellar > Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues > Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST > To: pydotorg > > Hi folks, > > Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that > action is restricted to project admins. > > 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage > Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives? > > 2. How can I check who the project admins are? > > 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction? > > -Jessica > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Brianna Laugher > Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM > Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues > To: jesstess at mit.edu > Cc: Nick Coghlan > > > Hi Jessica! > > I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good > project for newbies to contribute to. > > I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the > following issues as "easy pickings": > > - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list) > - Dead link and typo #422 > - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397 > - newjobs/review statusaction #447 > - job board - extra escaping #446 > - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429 > - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428 > - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392 > - Order download files better #273 > - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254 > > It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input > needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but > Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous). > > cheers > Brianna > > > -- > They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: > http://modernthings.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pydotorg mailing list > Pydotorg at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg > > > > -- > > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ > > May you do good and not evil > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others > May you share freely, never taking more than you give. > -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psf-redesign mailing list > Psf-redesign at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-redesign > > > Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb > -- > Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? It's here! > DjangoCon US, Portland, OR http://djangocon.us Aug 30-Sep 6, 2014 > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- anatoly t. From steve at holdenweb.com Sat Aug 9 00:07:03 2014 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 15:07:03 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues In-Reply-To: References: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk> <7302FC6B-B2E0-4016-A068-1FA26A92F4D7@holdenweb.com> Message-ID: [BCc'ing RFP Redesign to end-thread them] On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:23 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > Hi, > > Judging from the fact that there was no response from pydotorg inner circle > where all admins are supposed to be, and no response from the so-called > 'community of pydotorg-www' I propose reorganization to make things clear > and obvious. In result: > Didn't you propose the last reorganization and naming? What is this one supposed to achieve? > > - pydotorg-www@ stops to function, redirects to pydotorg Where it was before yo suggested renaming it to pydotorg, if I remember correctly (which I admit I may not). > - pydotorg@ is closed and renamed, new pydotorg is created, which > becomes open (public) point of contact with public list of subscribers (with > admin/activity/committer to project marks), searchable archives and link to > web interfaces for posting (nabble or Mailman3) > - infrastructure@ is the list where all sensitive information is > handled - closed Of course. > or open - depends on admins professionalism, who do not rely on security > by obscurity schemes I doubt the infrastructure admins would be happy sharing architectural information with people they were not intimately professionally and sometimes personally known to them. > - security@ is the list to accept mail from lurking hackers, as usual > > If that goes well, I promise to give a further boon to resolve user experience > problems for new contributors, and I guess that we need some fresh blood who > knows about HTML5, Angular, d3 and all that fancy CSS generators that are > extensively used by Ruby folks. > > That's is deadly wrong that we don't have an inclusive playground for new > talents and instead of learning new things and adapting out habits, force them > to use our old and often very awkward practices. > The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help. Given the lack of response to my post, what difference do you think these changes would make? S > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Steve Holden wrote: >> Hi! Could we maybe set up a once-monthly FAQ post giving noobs the lowdown >> on how to reach the repo and build a local site copy? >> >> S >> >> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Jessica McKellar >> Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues >> Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST >> To: pydotorg >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that >> action is restricted to project admins. >> >> 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage >> Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives? >> >> 2. How can I check who the project admins are? >> >> 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction? >> >> -Jessica >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Brianna Laugher >> Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM >> Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues >> To: jesstess at mit.edu >> Cc: Nick Coghlan >> >> >> Hi Jessica! >> >> I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good >> project for newbies to contribute to. >> >> I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the >> following issues as "easy pickings": >> >> - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list) >> - Dead link and typo #422 >> - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397 >> - newjobs/review statusaction #447 >> - job board - extra escaping #446 >> - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429 >> - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428 >> - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392 >> - Order download files better #273 >> - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254 >> >> It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input >> needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but >> Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous). >> >> cheers >> Brianna >> >> >> -- >> They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: >> http://modernthings.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pydotorg mailing list >> Pydotorg at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ >> >> May you do good and not evil >> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others >> May you share freely, never taking more than you give. >> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Psf-redesign mailing list >> Psf-redesign at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-redesign >> >> >> Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb >> -- >> Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? 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Message-ID: Sorry, I have to leave for a day or two, so I don't have time to strip this long stream of words. It is a little bit harsh, too verbose, may be cynical and expressive, but looks ok. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Steve Holden wrote: > [BCc'ing RFP Redesign to end-thread them] > > On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:23 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Judging from the fact that there was no response from pydotorg inner circle >> where all admins are supposed to be, and no response from the so-called >> 'community of pydotorg-www' I propose reorganization to make things clear >> and obvious. In result: >> > Didn't you propose the last reorganization and naming? Right. If you look at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-www/ it all started with my mail to kill pydotorg-redesign list. Note that this list and pydotorg-redesign were both dead at that time. Note also that there was this move few days later, which is in my opinion good (moving from private to public if I understand correctly) and bad (giving private list a more privileged short name than to public one) https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-www/2010-April/000094.html and list got a lot of new a very exciting talks (sometimes even overexciting). > What is this one supposed to achieve? This list is dead. Take a look at the stats. Traffic is mostly requests for adding people to wiki to promote courses and events after wiki editing was closed. List for a open source open community collaborative site with over million downloads and I don't know how many daily views gets wiki closed for edits, because nobody can write a piece of code in Python with several simple checks and moderation queue to eat spam? Yea, we don't have time for that. And all of this at a time when US invests millions of dollars in education programs to teach children how to code. All this knowing that there are thousands students who are learning Python and would be glad to do something useful instead of boring and predefined tasks. Damn.. Even companies are interested to keep communication with upstream communities and give apprentices task useful for upstream (if only upstream had resources to review them). I don't know who are involved in all recent python.org activity, but apparently even they are not here if nobody can answer the question who updates teh site. Don't get me wrong, but IMHO that's an indicator that this list is dead if all shiny pydotorg stuff happens elsewhere. So, this reorganization is supposed to achieve only one ML for all pydotorg email traffic. There is also IRC, tracker, and I suppose Viber, Hangouts and friends for more tight contacts (Trello, Basecamp anybody?), so I guess that even this won't help (Facebook, Forums, G+). But at least we need to stop confusing people with a multitude of lists. Call this a rebranding (for which it would be nice to get a designer with a few JS gurus on decorating Mailman pages). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebranding "Rebranding is a marketing strategy in which a new name, term, symbol, design, or combination thereof is created for an established brand with the intention of developing a new, differentiated identity in the minds of consumers, investors, and competitors.[1][2] Often, this involves radical changes to a brand's logo, name, image, marketing strategy, and advertising themes. Such changes typically aim to reposition the brand/company, occasionally to distance itself from negative connotations of the previous branding, or to move the brand upmarket; they may also communicate a new message a new board of directors wishes to communicate." I am not proposing any radical changes knowing how hard it might be to be both critical and constructive. pydotorg name it easier to use and attract people to. There is a reasons why Google calls their tools Webmaster tools and not WWWtools. >> - pydotorg-www@ stops to function, redirects to pydotorg > > Where it was before yo suggested renaming it to pydotorg, if I remember correctly (which I admit I may not). I never suggested renaming public list to pydotorg-www. There was a time when I suggested the same thing - make pydotorg public, but people objected that this will reveal keys, password and sensitive private talks. So this time I am proposing a rename. >> - pydotorg@ is closed and renamed, new pydotorg is created, which >> becomes open (public) point of contact with public list of subscribers (with >> admin/activity/committer to project marks), searchable archives and link to >> web interfaces for posting (nabble or Mailman3) > >> - infrastructure@ is the list where all sensitive information is >> handled - closed > > Of course. > >> or open - depends on admins professionalism, who do not rely on security >> by obscurity schemes > > I doubt the infrastructure admins would be happy sharing architectural information with people they were not intimately professionally and sometimes personally known to them. If they are comfortable with this - https://github.com/python/psf-chef (which is the right thing), then I don't see why they should feel unsafe discussing it in public. In the end you can't update the site without knowing who to ask for. Closing this information from public doesn't work and doesn't help really. ">>> 2. How can I check who the project admins are?" More effective ways to mess with security by installing rogue WiFi points on Python conferences or even passively eavesdropping insecure traffic that comes to bugs.python.org and PyPI websites. >> - security@ is the list to accept mail from lurking hackers, as usual >> >> If that goes well, I promise to give a further boon to resolve user experience >> problems for new contributors, and I guess that we need some fresh blood who >> knows about HTML5, Angular, d3 and all that fancy CSS generators that are >> extensively used by Ruby folks. >> >> That's is deadly wrong that we don't have an inclusive playground for new >> talents and instead of learning new things and adapting out habits, force them >> to use our old and often very awkward practices. >> > The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help. Nothing personal, but compare the site of wannabemost popular language of the world: https://github.com/python/pythondotorg with 30 contributors with some not well known tool written in this language for managing the aforementioned infrastructure: https://github.com/ansible/ansible with 833 contributors. And know that among those 30 there are only 10 really busy "volunteers" https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/graphs/contributors "volunteers" in brackets, because if I remember correctly, the initial version of the site (which is probably reflected in Github history) was made by paid contract from PFS. > Given the lack of response to my post, what difference do you think these changes would make? Depends on motivation and desire of people to build an open process with proper crediting, high-score, some fun, experiments and review process. It will also need a lot of coordination maybe with the help from outreach initiative Python web also needs to be attractive place for people with web skills who want to learn Python, and a lot of dynamic stuff and integration stuff with all Python services out there. Yes, I said hiscore https://twistedmatrix.com/highscores/ Site are made for users, and the most important task is user experience. So, I think that being a part of one [pydotorg] team is more pleasant experience than being a busy volunteer of underprivileged [pydotorg-www]. Maybe that's a lot of buzz from nothing, but in having fun that's a big difference. Also, [pydotorg] need a lot of people who can draw and make visualizations, because decisions in web should be based on data and not on intuition of a few. Just do a corridor testing and ask people which name do they prefer. If I had any money I could bet $100 that over 3/4 would chose to strip -www suffix. I am not a social scientist, so betting is my way of proving things. From ncoghlan at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 15:19:52 2014 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 23:19:52 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues In-Reply-To: References: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk> <7302FC6B-B2E0-4016-A068-1FA26A92F4D7@holdenweb.com>

Message-ID: On 10 Aug 2014 22:55, "Steve Holden" wrote: > The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help. I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate. In the distutils-sig case it was python-dev that needed to more effectively delegate decision making authority to empower an already interested community, and at PyCon 2013, the decision was taken to update PEP 1 to address that core problem. End result: a flourishing Python Packaging Authority, and a package installer shipping by default with CPython. For python.org, it is the PSF board that needs to delegate more effectively, but just as in the distutils-sig case, properly empowering the python.org team requires changing the power structures governing the relationships between various groups. As with any delegation of authority, however, trust and respect are key elements. In the distutils-sig case, that was built up mostly through the pip, wheel and crate.io projects. For python.org, we don't yet have anyone demonstrating the same kind of initiative, independence and interest that was demonstrated by the leads of those projects. Regards, Nick. > > Given the lack of response to my post, what difference do you think these changes would make? > > S > > > > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > >> Hi! Could we maybe set up a once-monthly FAQ post giving noobs the lowdown > >> on how to reach the repo and build a local site copy? > >> > >> S > >> > >> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Begin forwarded message: > >> > >> From: Jessica McKellar > >> Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues > >> Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST > >> To: pydotorg > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that > >> action is restricted to project admins. > >> > >> 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage > >> Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives? > >> > >> 2. How can I check who the project admins are? > >> > >> 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction? > >> > >> -Jessica > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Brianna Laugher > >> Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM > >> Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues > >> To: jesstess at mit.edu > >> Cc: Nick Coghlan > >> > >> > >> Hi Jessica! > >> > >> I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good > >> project for newbies to contribute to. > >> > >> I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the > >> following issues as "easy pickings": > >> > >> - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list) > >> - Dead link and typo #422 > >> - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397 > >> - newjobs/review statusaction #447 > >> - job board - extra escaping #446 > >> - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429 > >> - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428 > >> - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392 > >> - Order download files better #273 > >> - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254 > >> > >> It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input > >> needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but > >> Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous). > >> > >> cheers > >> Brianna > >> > >> > >> -- > >> They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: > >> http://modernthings.org/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pydotorg mailing list > >> Pydotorg at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ > >> > >> May you do good and not evil > >> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others > >> May you share freely, never taking more than you give. > >> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Psf-redesign mailing list > >> Psf-redesign at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-redesign > >> > >> > >> Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb > >> -- > >> Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? 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Message-ID: Thanks, Nick, a much more complete summary than my own. S On Aug 10, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate. > > Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb -- Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? It's here! DjangoCon US, Portland, OR http://djangocon.us Aug 30-Sep 6, 2014 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3097 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mal at egenix.com Mon Aug 11 11:25:13 2014 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:25:13 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues In-Reply-To: References: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk> <7302FC6B-B2E0-4016-A068-1FA26A92F4D7@holdenweb.com>

Message-ID: <53E88BF9.9050704@egenix.com> On 10.08.2014 15:19, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 10 Aug 2014 22:55, "Steve Holden" wrote: > >> The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's > needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the > site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team > of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web > site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help. > > I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was > around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and > hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate. python.org is still transitioning away from being a paid development effort to a volunteer effort and a lot still needs to be done to make the volunteer contributions easier. The next few months should get us a lot closer to a working eco system. Note that the site will have to support multiple different efforts with different needs and so we'll not only have one group in charge of the site, but instead one for each sub- system. The job board, the calendars, the success stories, PEPs, etc. are examples of such sub-systems. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From techtonik at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 19:53:49 2014 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:53:49 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues In-Reply-To: <53E88BF9.9050704@egenix.com> References: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk> <7302FC6B-B2E0-4016-A068-1FA26A92F4D7@holdenweb.com>

<53E88BF9.9050704@egenix.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:25 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 10.08.2014 15:19, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> On 10 Aug 2014 22:55, "Steve Holden" wrote: >> >>> The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's >> needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the >> site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team >> of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web >> site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help. >> >> I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was >> around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and >> hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate. > > python.org is still transitioning away from being a paid > development effort to a volunteer effort and a lot still needs > to be done to make the volunteer contributions easier. Right. I am saying that removing excess defunkt mailing lists helps volunteers find where actual activity taking place and join. > The next few months should get us a lot closer to a working > eco system. > > Note that the site will have to support multiple different > efforts with different needs and so we'll not only have one > group in charge of the site, but instead one for each sub- > system. The job board, the calendars, the success stories, > PEPs, etc. are examples of such sub-systems. I am not quite sure that hierarchical organization of people around site departments is a right way to go, but it will be nice to move this discussions to a different thread. I'd like to solve the problem that was raised by OP in this thread at least partially ASAP, not waiting few more months. It is not fun to wait for some ecosystem if all needed arguments for this specific problem can be discussed right here right now and action taken to make it easier at least partially. -- anatoly t. From techtonik at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 20:32:07 2014 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:32:07 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues In-Reply-To: References: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk> <7302FC6B-B2E0-4016-A068-1FA26A92F4D7@holdenweb.com>

Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 10 Aug 2014 22:55, "Steve Holden" wrote: > >> The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's >> needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the >> site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team of >> developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web site >> in the world. Without that, little else is going to help. > > I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was > around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and > hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate. > > In the distutils-sig case it was python-dev that needed to more effectively > delegate decision making authority to empower an already interested > community, and at PyCon 2013, the decision was taken to update PEP 1 to > address that core problem. End result: a flourishing Python Packaging > Authority, and a package installer shipping by default with CPython. > > For python.org, it is the PSF board that needs to delegate more effectively, > but just as in the distutils-sig case, properly empowering the python.org > team requires changing the power structures governing the relationships > between various groups. As with any delegation of authority, however, trust > and respect are key elements. In the distutils-sig case, that was built up > mostly through the pip, wheel and crate.io projects. For python.org, we > don't yet have anyone demonstrating the same kind of initiative, > independence and interest that was demonstrated by the leads of those > projects. As much as I like discussing politics, I'd prefer to concentrate on doing what is possible right now with what we have without placing too much hopes on somebody else or on futures. I am happy to discuss the political issues that we have without hijacking thread. You have authority. If authority is silent about the issue, it leaves an impression that there is no issue or this issue won't be resolved, because authority doesn't want it to, which in turn leaves things in a sad state. So if you want to help, could you state your arguments against reducing mailing lists to a single entrypoint and making this entrypoint public? If there are no objections, could you help take the decision to the action level, because I don't know who else can do the action here. From randy at thesyrings.us Mon Aug 11 19:45:15 2014 From: randy at thesyrings.us (Randy Syring) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:45:15 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Editing Message-ID: <53E9012B.2010209@thesyrings.us> Hi there, I'm a new user to the Python wiki and would like to edit this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups To add information about DerbyPy, a python user group in the Louisville area. username is: rsyring Thanks. *Randy Syring* Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner /"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From audreyr at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 22:39:17 2014 From: audreyr at gmail.com (Audrey M Roy) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:39:17 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request for edit permissions Message-ID: Hi, I would like to request permission to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/DiversityInPython I would like to: 1. add info about the new #pydiversity IRC channel (part of the original Python Diversity mailing list, used for real-time discussions) 2. add links to all currently existing Python-related diversity groups/workshops/initiatives. 3. help make ongoing improvements to the page as needed. I'm aware from the page history that the page was controversial in the past; please note that I'm very much open to your advice and guidance here. Disclaimer: I'm active in PyLadies leadership, but I will do my best to be neutral and inclusive to all Python diversity initiatives. I am also now an admin for https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity and IRC #pydiversity. Warm regards, Audrey From paul at boddie.org.uk Tue Aug 12 22:46:56 2014 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:46:56 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request for edit permissions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201408122246.56810.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Tuesday 12. August 2014 22.39.17 Audrey M Roy wrote: > Hi, I would like to request permission to edit > https://wiki.python.org/moin/DiversityInPython > > I would like to: > 1. add info about the new #pydiversity IRC channel (part of the > original Python Diversity mailing list, used for real-time > discussions) > 2. add links to all currently existing Python-related diversity > groups/workshops/initiatives. > 3. help make ongoing improvements to the page as needed. I'm aware > from the page history that the page was controversial in the past; > please note that I'm very much open to your advice and guidance here. > > Disclaimer: I'm active in PyLadies leadership, but I will do my best > to be neutral and inclusive to all Python diversity initiatives. I am > also now an admin for > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity and IRC > #pydiversity. Do you have a wiki account already? As soon as you let us know what it is, we can add you to the editors group. Paul From mal at egenix.com Wed Aug 13 00:57:03 2014 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:57:03 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Editing In-Reply-To: <53E9012B.2010209@thesyrings.us> References: <53E9012B.2010209@thesyrings.us> Message-ID: <53EA9BBF.9040601@egenix.com> Added. Happy editing :-) On 11.08.2014 19:45, Randy Syring wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm a new user to the Python wiki and would like to edit this page: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups > > To add information about DerbyPy, a python user group in the Louisville area. > > username is: rsyring > > Thanks. > > *Randy Syring* > Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner > > /"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world > and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From techtonik at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 11:02:49 2014 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:02:49 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken wiki search Message-ID: Hi, Wiki search seems broken. Searching full-text for "highscore" gives 0 results, but "highscores" gives 1. I assume that this might be a limitation of our search engine, but I may be wrong. Please advise, what is the current Moin search engine and what are alternatives? -- anatoly t. From mal at egenix.com Fri Aug 15 11:16:14 2014 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:16:14 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken wiki search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53EDCFDE.2040905@egenix.com> On 15.08.2014 11:02, anatoly techtonik wrote: > Hi, > > Wiki search seems broken. Searching full-text for "highscore" gives 0 > results, but "highscores" gives 1. I assume that this might be a > limitation of our search engine, but I may be wrong. This is a limitation of the wiki search engine, but there are ways around it: https://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnSearching -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From techtonik at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 11:36:07 2014 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:36:07 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken wiki search In-Reply-To: <53EDCFDE.2040905@egenix.com> References: <53EDCFDE.2040905@egenix.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 15.08.2014 11:02, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> Wiki search seems broken. Searching full-text for "highscore" gives 0 >> results, but "highscores" gives 1. I assume that this might be a >> limitation of our search engine, but I may be wrong. > > This is a limitation of the wiki search engine, but there are ways > around it: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnSearching It works, but there is still something wrong about it. Searching for "regex:highscore.*" still gives 755 false results in addition to 1 that is right. From michael at voidspace.org.uk Fri Aug 22 12:57:04 2014 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:57:04 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Our download pages are in abysmal shape. References: <201408221019.s7MAJugr013147@fido.openend.se> Message-ID: <00168943-396C-4E7C-8A2B-16018CBE2146@voidspace.org.uk> See below for reports and issues with the download links and pages. I'm aware that github issues would be the "right" way to resolve this, but we're getting a *lot* of reports about broken download links. It ought to be addressed systematically rather than piecemeal. Begin forwarded message: > From: Laura Creighton > Subject: Our download pages are in abysmal shape. > Date: 22 August 2014 13:19:56 EEST > To: webmaster at python.org, infrastructure at python.org, lac at openend.se > > I am answering mail to webmaster at python.org > I just replied to this. > > In a message of Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:03:21 +1200, Will Walters writes: >> Hello >> >> Can you tell me why I am unable to download windows version of Python please. Hitting the yellow download button will not work. Are you upgrading your website at the moment? >> >> Cheers! >> >> Will. > > Will Walters is correct, the yellow button doesn't work. > > However, in researching his problem I have discovered that we are > now a great candiate for poorest website of the year, from a usability > standpoint. > > Many links do not work. > > We have a parallel structure > > https://www.python.org/downloads/release/lots of files > https://www.python.org/download/releases/lots of files > > which have different naming conventions for python releases. > > All over the python.org site are links to one place or the other, > and they cross reference themselves, too > > I am finding the downloads/release files to be useful. The other set > of files (downloads/releases) contains the release announcment -- which > could be merged into the relevant downloads/release file -- but otherwise > doesn't have anything I find at all useful. > > There is also a menu bar all over the site which has a selection > 'Downloads'. Clicking on that selection there gets you a separate > set of 2 buttons, which (at least on my machine here) covers up the > two yellow buttons. Those separate buttons actually work, unlike the > yellow ones that don't but this whole drop down is a mistake -- > you either go to the new page with the yellow buttons or you don't > but you don't provide two competing ways to do the same thing just > because you mouse over the download secton on the menu bar. > > But whoever was paid to make this mess really needs to be told > to sit down and clean the whole thing up. What we have right now > is both broken and terribly confusing, and reflects very badly on us. > > Laura -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From benjamin at python.org Sat Aug 23 08:05:41 2014 From: benjamin at python.org (Benjamin Peterson) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:05:41 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] allow me to edit the wiki Message-ID: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Could you please add my wiki user name, BenjaminPeterson, to the wiki editor group? Thanks, Benjamin From techtonik at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 18:33:44 2014 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:33:44 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] allow me to edit the wiki In-Reply-To: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > BenjaminPeterson I am here https://wiki.python.org/moin/TrustedEditorsGroup but I can't add you. You probably need to ask someone from https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdminGroup -- anatoly t. From richard at python.org Sun Aug 24 01:01:40 2014 From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:01:40 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] allow me to edit the wiki In-Reply-To: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Added! On 23 August 2014 16:05, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > Could you please add my wiki user name, BenjaminPeterson, to the wiki > editor group? > > Thanks, > Benjamin > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iwan at reahl.org Sun Aug 24 16:34:27 2014 From: iwan at reahl.org (Iwan Vosloo) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:34:27 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks Message-ID: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> Hi there, I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, but seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there. Thank you - Iwan Vosloo -- Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org From stefan at drees.name Sun Aug 24 20:17:19 2014 From: stefan at drees.name (Stefan Drees) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:17:19 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks In-Reply-To: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> Message-ID: <53FA2C2F.7030606@drees.name> Hi Iwan, in the meantime I changed that entry to: Reahl (2.1.2 Released 2014-08-24) - With Reahl, programming is done purely in Python, using concepts familiar from GUI programming - like reusable Widgets and Events. Hope that helps ;-) All the best, Stefan. Am 24.08.14 16:34, schrieb Iwan Vosloo: > Hi there, > > I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, > but seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When > releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there. > > Thank you > - Iwan Vosloo > From richard at python.org Mon Aug 25 08:55:02 2014 From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:55:02 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks In-Reply-To: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> Message-ID: Hi Iwan, what's your wiki username please? On 25 August 2014 00:34, Iwan Vosloo wrote: > Hi there, > > I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, but > seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When > releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there. > > Thank you > - Iwan Vosloo > > -- > Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andriy.kornatskyy at live.com Mon Aug 25 15:57:37 2014 From: andriy.kornatskyy at live.com (Andriy Kornatskyy) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:57:37 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] edit request Message-ID: I would like request edit permission for the following: account name: akorn resource: https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks purpose: update version number for wheezy.web framework. Thanks. Andriy Kornatskyy From iwan at reahl.org Sun Aug 24 20:54:35 2014 From: iwan at reahl.org (Iwan Vosloo) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:54:35 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks In-Reply-To: <53FA2C2F.7030606@drees.name> References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> <53FA2C2F.7030606@drees.name> Message-ID: <53FA34EB.8040809@reahl.org> Perfect thank you Stefan. Regards - Iwan On 24/08/2014 20:17, Stefan Drees wrote: > Hi Iwan, > > in the meantime I changed that entry to: > > Reahl (2.1.2 Released 2014-08-24) - With Reahl, programming is done > purely in Python, using concepts familiar from GUI programming - like > reusable Widgets and Events. > > Hope that helps ;-) > > All the best, > Stefan. > Am 24.08.14 16:34, schrieb Iwan Vosloo: >> Hi there, >> >> I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, >> but seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When >> releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there. >> >> Thank you >> - Iwan Vosloo >> > -- Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org From iwan at reahl.org Mon Aug 25 09:01:56 2014 From: iwan at reahl.org (Iwan Vosloo) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:01:56 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks In-Reply-To: References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> Message-ID: <53FADF64.8010107@reahl.org> Richard, its "IwanVosloo" Regards - Iwan On 25/08/2014 08:55, Richard Jones wrote: > Hi Iwan, what's your wiki username please? > > > On 25 August 2014 00:34, Iwan Vosloo > wrote: > > Hi there, > > I used to be able to edit > https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, but seems I cannot do > so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When releasing Reahl > we like to just update the info there. > > Thank you > - Iwan Vosloo > > -- > Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > -- Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at python.org Tue Aug 26 08:53:42 2014 From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:53:42 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks In-Reply-To: <53FADF64.8010107@reahl.org> References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> <53FADF64.8010107@reahl.org> Message-ID: Added to editors group. On 25 August 2014 17:01, Iwan Vosloo wrote: > Richard, its "IwanVosloo" > > Regards > - Iwan > > > On 25/08/2014 08:55, Richard Jones wrote: > > Hi Iwan, what's your wiki username please? > > > On 25 August 2014 00:34, Iwan Vosloo wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, >> but seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When >> releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there. >> >> Thank you >> - Iwan Vosloo >> >> -- >> Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pydotorg-www mailing list >> pydotorg-www at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> > > > > -- > Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mal at egenix.com Tue Aug 26 13:38:57 2014 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:38:57 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] edit request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53FC71D1.8050204@egenix.com> Added. Happy editing ! On 25.08.2014 15:57, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote: > I would like request edit permission for the following: > > account name: akorn > resource: https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks > purpose: update version number for wheezy.web framework. > > Thanks. > > Andriy Kornatskyy > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Aug 26 2014) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2014-09-19: PyCon UK 2014, Coventry, UK ... 24 days to go 2014-09-27: PyDDF Sprint 2014 ... 32 days to go 2014-09-30: Python Meeting Duesseldorf ... 35 days to go eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From jfilippidis at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 02:31:10 2014 From: jfilippidis at gmail.com (Ioannis Filippidis) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:31:10 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] intent to edit the wiki Message-ID: <53FE784E.7070201@gmail.com> Hello, My account name is "IoannisFilippidis" and I'd like to edit the wiki page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/FiniteStateMachine by adding a link to: https://github.com/tulip-control/tulip-control that contains a relevant subpackage. Thanks, ioannis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lemburg) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:42:55 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editors Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53FF4DFF.5060702@egenix.com> Added. Happy editing ! On 28.08.2014 11:07, Adel Merabet wrote: > Dear Sirs/Madams, > > i'm Adel MERABET (Python User Group Algeria) i want to be added to the > editors group > https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdelMerabet > > We moved to a group in Facebook and we want to change the link in > LocalUserGroups > https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Other_Africa > > From: > Python Algeria - Algeria (https://groups.google.com/d/forum/python-dz) > To: > Python Algeria - Algeria (https://www.facebook.com/groups/pythondz) > > Please help me change the link to be able to grow our community :) > > Best regards, > > -- > Adel Merabet > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Aug 28 2014) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2014-08-27: Released eGenix PyRun 2.0.1 ... http://egenix.com/go62 2014-09-19: PyCon UK 2014, Coventry, UK ... 22 days to go 2014-09-27: PyDDF Sprint 2014 ... 30 days to go eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From tlocke at tlocke.org.uk Sat Aug 30 21:06:10 2014 From: tlocke at tlocke.org.uk (Tony Locke) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:06:10 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Edit to PostgreSQL page Message-ID: Hi, I'd like to make an edit to the following wiki page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/PostgreSQL I'm seeking to update the main URL for pg8000 from http://pybrary.net/pg8000 to http://pythonhosted.org/pg8000/. Thanks, Tony Locke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at python.org Sun Aug 31 04:36:47 2014 From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:36:47 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Edit to PostgreSQL page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tony, what's your wiki login name? On 31 August 2014 05:06, Tony Locke wrote: > Hi, I'd like to make an edit to the following wiki page: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/PostgreSQL > > I'm seeking to update the main URL for pg8000 from > http://pybrary.net/pg8000 to http://pythonhosted.org/pg8000/. > > Thanks, > > Tony Locke > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at python.org Sun Aug 31 04:37:22 2014 From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:37:22 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] intent to edit the wiki In-Reply-To: <53FE784E.7070201@gmail.com> References: <53FE784E.7070201@gmail.com> Message-ID: You should be able to edit the page now. On 28 August 2014 10:31, Ioannis Filippidis wrote: > Hello, > > My account name is "IoannisFilippidis" and I'd like to edit the wiki page: > https://wiki.python.org/moin/FiniteStateMachine > by adding a link to: > https://github.com/tulip-control/tulip-control > that contains a relevant subpackage. > > Thanks, > ioannis > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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