From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Wed Aug  6 08:41:21 2014
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 09:41:21 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
References: <CAKDZRcinWXLvaM-KKJ6eSXydtNCLvUFxvFjbzxeU65uu_0uvbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Jessica McKellar <jessica.mckellar at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
> Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST
> To: pydotorg <pydotorg at python.org>
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that action is restricted to project admins.
> 
> 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives?
> 
> 2. How can I check who the project admins are?
> 
> 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction?
> 
> -Jessica
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM
> Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
> To: jesstess at mit.edu
> Cc: Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> Hi Jessica!
> 
> I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good project for newbies to contribute to.
> 
> I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the following issues as "easy pickings":
> 
> - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list)
> - Dead link and typo #422 
> - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397 
> - newjobs/review statusaction #447
> - job board - extra escaping #446 
> - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429 
> - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428
> - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392 
> - Order download files better #273 
> - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254 
> 
> It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous).
> 
> cheers
> Brianna
> 
> 
> -- 
> They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pydotorg mailing list
> Pydotorg at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg


--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/

May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html





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From steve at holdenweb.com  Wed Aug  6 22:20:59 2014
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:20:59 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
	'easy' github issues
In-Reply-To: <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk>
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 <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk>
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Hi! Could we maybe set up a once-monthly FAQ post giving noobs the lowdown on how to reach the repo and build a local site copy?

S

On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:

> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Jessica McKellar <jessica.mckellar at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
>> Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST
>> To: pydotorg <pydotorg at python.org>
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that action is restricted to project admins.
>> 
>> 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives?
>> 
>> 2. How can I check who the project admins are?
>> 
>> 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction?
>> 
>> -Jessica
>> 
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM
>> Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
>> To: jesstess at mit.edu
>> Cc: Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jessica!
>> 
>> I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good project for newbies to contribute to.
>> 
>> I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the following issues as "easy pickings":
>> 
>> - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list)
>> - Dead link and typo #422 
>> - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397 
>> - newjobs/review statusaction #447
>> - job board - extra escaping #446 
>> - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429 
>> - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428
>> - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392 
>> - Order download files better #273 
>> - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254 
>> 
>> It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous).
>> 
>> cheers
>> Brianna
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pydotorg mailing list
>> Pydotorg at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg
> 
> 
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> 
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Psf-redesign mailing list
> Psf-redesign at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-redesign

Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266              @holdenweb
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 23:23:43 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 00:23:43 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
 'easy' github issues
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Hi,

Judging from the fact that there was no response from pydotorg inner circle
where all admins are supposed to be, and no response from the so-called
'community of pydotorg-www' I propose reorganization to make things clear
and obvious. In result:

  - pydotorg-www@ stops to function, redirects to pydotorg
  - pydotorg@ is closed and renamed, new pydotorg is created, which
    becomes open (public) point of contact with public list of subscribers (with
    admin/activity/committer to project marks), searchable archives and link to
    web interfaces for posting (nabble or Mailman3)
  - infrastructure@ is the list where all sensitive information is
handled - closed
    or open - depends on admins professionalism, who do not rely on security
    by obscurity schemes
  - security@ is the list to accept mail from lurking hackers, as usual

If that goes well, I promise to give a further boon to resolve user experience
problems for new contributors, and I guess that we need some fresh blood who
knows about HTML5, Angular, d3 and all that fancy CSS generators that are
extensively used by Ruby folks.

That's is deadly wrong that we don't have an inclusive playground for new
talents and instead of learning new things and adapting out habits, force them
to use our old and often very awkward practices.


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
> Hi! Could we maybe set up a once-monthly FAQ post giving noobs the lowdown
> on how to reach the repo and build a local site copy?
>
> S
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Jessica McKellar <jessica.mckellar at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
> Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST
> To: pydotorg <pydotorg at python.org>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that
> action is restricted to project admins.
>
> 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage
> Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives?
>
> 2. How can I check who the project admins are?
>
> 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction?
>
> -Jessica
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM
> Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
> To: jesstess at mit.edu
> Cc: Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Jessica!
>
> I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good
> project for newbies to contribute to.
>
> I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the
> following issues as "easy pickings":
>
> - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list)
> - Dead link and typo #422
> - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397
> - newjobs/review statusaction #447
> - job board - extra escaping #446
> - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429
> - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428
> - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392
> - Order download files better #273
> - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254
>
> It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input
> needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but
> Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous).
>
> cheers
> Brianna
>
>
> --
> They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment:
> http://modernthings.org/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pydotorg mailing list
> Pydotorg at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Psf-redesign mailing list
> Psf-redesign at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-redesign
>
>
> Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266              @holdenweb
> --
> Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? It's here!
> DjangoCon US, Portland, OR    http://djangocon.us     Aug 30-Sep 6, 2014
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>



-- 
anatoly t.

From steve at holdenweb.com  Sat Aug  9 00:07:03 2014
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 15:07:03 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
	'easy' github issues
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xLnoBLcQoM2BNyjTk87jvW_aWKB4dhMHiGJddyWf5HpAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKDZRcinWXLvaM-KKJ6eSXydtNCLvUFxvFjbzxeU65uu_0uvbw@mail.gmail.com>
 <8FD5EA21-AC09-4BF8-AF20-5DBA4614B989@voidspace.org.uk>
 <7302FC6B-B2E0-4016-A068-1FA26A92F4D7@holdenweb.com>
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[BCc'ing RFP Redesign to end-thread them]

On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:23 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Judging from the fact that there was no response from pydotorg inner circle
> where all admins are supposed to be, and no response from the so-called
> 'community of pydotorg-www' I propose reorganization to make things clear
> and obvious. In result:
> 
Didn't you propose the last reorganization and naming? What is this one supposed to achieve?
>  

> - pydotorg-www@ stops to function, redirects to pydotorg

Where it was before yo suggested renaming it to pydotorg, if I remember correctly (which I admit I may not).

>  - pydotorg@ is closed and renamed, new pydotorg is created, which
>    becomes open (public) point of contact with public list of subscribers (with
>    admin/activity/committer to project marks), searchable archives and link to
>    web interfaces for posting (nabble or Mailman3)

>  - infrastructure@ is the list where all sensitive information is
> handled - closed

Of course.

>    or open - depends on admins professionalism, who do not rely on security
>    by obscurity schemes

I doubt the infrastructure admins would be happy sharing architectural information with people they were not intimately professionally and sometimes personally known to them.

>  - security@ is the list to accept mail from lurking hackers, as usual
> 
> If that goes well, I promise to give a further boon to resolve user experience
> problems for new contributors, and I guess that we need some fresh blood who
> knows about HTML5, Angular, d3 and all that fancy CSS generators that are
> extensively used by Ruby folks.
> 
> That's is deadly wrong that we don't have an inclusive playground for new
> talents and instead of learning new things and adapting out habits, force them
> to use our old and often very awkward practices.
> 
The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help.

Given the lack of response to my post, what difference do you think these changes would make?

S

> 
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
>> Hi! Could we maybe set up a once-monthly FAQ post giving noobs the lowdown
>> on how to reach the repo and build a local site copy?
>> 
>> S
>> 
>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Jessica McKellar <jessica.mckellar at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
>> Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST
>> To: pydotorg <pydotorg at python.org>
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but that
>> action is restricted to project admins.
>> 
>> 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or engage
>> Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives?
>> 
>> 2. How can I check who the project admins are?
>> 
>> 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction?
>> 
>> -Jessica
>> 
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM
>> Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
>> To: jesstess at mit.edu
>> Cc: Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jessica!
>> 
>> I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a good
>> project for newbies to contribute to.
>> 
>> I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag the
>> following issues as "easy pickings":
>> 
>> - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing list)
>> - Dead link and typo #422
>> - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397
>> - newjobs/review statusaction #447
>> - job board - extra escaping #446
>> - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429
>> - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428
>> - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392
>> - Order download files better #273
>> - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254
>> 
>> It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF input
>> needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content", but
>> Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous).
>> 
>> cheers
>> Brianna
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment:
>> http://modernthings.org/
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pydotorg mailing list
>> Pydotorg at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
>> 
>> May you do good and not evil
>> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
>> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
>> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Psf-redesign mailing list
>> Psf-redesign at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-redesign
>> 
>> 
>> Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266              @holdenweb
>> --
>> Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? It's here!
>> DjangoCon US, Portland, OR    http://djangocon.us     Aug 30-Sep 6, 2014
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> anatoly t.

Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266              @holdenweb
--
Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? It's here!
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Sat Aug  9 01:57:29 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 02:57:29 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
 'easy' github issues
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Sorry, I have to leave for a day or two, so I don't have time to strip this
long stream of words. It is a little bit harsh, too verbose, may be cynical and
expressive, but looks ok.

On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
> [BCc'ing RFP Redesign to end-thread them]
>
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:23 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Judging from the fact that there was no response from pydotorg inner circle
>> where all admins are supposed to be, and no response from the so-called
>> 'community of pydotorg-www' I propose reorganization to make things clear
>> and obvious. In result:
>>
> Didn't you propose the last reorganization and naming?

Right. If you look at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-www/
it all started with my mail to kill pydotorg-redesign list. Note that this list
and pydotorg-redesign were both dead at that time.

Note also that there was this move few days later, which is in my opinion
good (moving from private to public if I understand correctly) and bad
(giving private list a more privileged short name than to public one)
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pydotorg-www/2010-April/000094.html
and list got a lot of new a very exciting talks (sometimes even
overexciting).

> What is this one supposed to achieve?

This list is dead. Take a look at the stats. Traffic is mostly
requests for adding
people to wiki to promote courses and events after wiki editing was closed. List
for a open source open community collaborative site with over million downloads
and I don't know how many daily views gets wiki closed for edits, because
nobody can write a piece of code in Python with several simple checks and
moderation queue to eat spam? Yea, we don't have time for that. And all of this
at a time when US invests millions of dollars in education programs to teach
children how to code. All this knowing that there are thousands students who
are learning Python and would be glad to do something useful instead of
boring and predefined tasks. Damn.. Even companies are interested to keep
communication with upstream communities and give apprentices task useful
for upstream (if only upstream had resources to review them).

I don't know who are involved in all recent python.org activity, but apparently
even they are not here if nobody can answer the question who updates teh site.
Don't get me wrong, but IMHO that's an indicator that this list is dead if all
shiny pydotorg stuff happens elsewhere.

So, this reorganization is supposed to achieve only one ML for all pydotorg
email traffic. There is also IRC, tracker, and I suppose Viber, Hangouts and
friends for more tight contacts (Trello, Basecamp anybody?), so I guess that
even this won't help (Facebook, Forums, G+). But at least we need to stop
confusing people with a multitude of lists. Call this a rebranding (for which
it would be nice to get a designer with a few JS gurus on decorating
Mailman pages).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebranding
"Rebranding is a marketing strategy in which a new name, term, symbol,
design, or combination thereof is created for an established brand
with the intention of developing a new, differentiated identity in the
minds of consumers, investors, and competitors.[1][2] Often, this
involves radical changes to a brand's logo, name, image, marketing
strategy, and advertising themes. Such changes typically aim to
reposition the brand/company, occasionally to distance itself from
negative connotations of the previous branding, or to move the brand
upmarket; they may also communicate a new message a new board of
directors wishes to communicate."

I am not proposing any radical changes knowing how hard it might be to
be both critical and constructive. pydotorg name it easier to use and attract
people to. There is a reasons why Google calls their tools Webmaster tools
and not WWWtools.

>> - pydotorg-www@ stops to function, redirects to pydotorg
>
> Where it was before yo suggested renaming it to pydotorg, if I remember correctly (which I admit I may not).

I never suggested renaming public list to pydotorg-www. There was a time when
I suggested the same thing - make pydotorg public, but people objected that this
will reveal keys, password and sensitive private talks. So this time I
am proposing
a rename.

>>  - pydotorg@ is closed and renamed, new pydotorg is created, which
>>    becomes open (public) point of contact with public list of subscribers (with
>>    admin/activity/committer to project marks), searchable archives and link to
>>    web interfaces for posting (nabble or Mailman3)
>
>>  - infrastructure@ is the list where all sensitive information is
>> handled - closed
>
> Of course.
>
>>    or open - depends on admins professionalism, who do not rely on security
>>    by obscurity schemes
>
> I doubt the infrastructure admins would be happy sharing architectural information with people they were not intimately professionally and sometimes personally known to them.

If they are comfortable with this - https://github.com/python/psf-chef
(which is the right thing), then I don't see why they should feel
unsafe discussing it in public. In the end you can't update the site
without knowing who to ask for. Closing this information from public
doesn't work and doesn't help really. ">>> 2. How can I check who the
project admins are?"

More effective ways to mess with security by installing rogue WiFi
points on Python conferences or even passively eavesdropping insecure
traffic that comes to bugs.python.org and PyPI websites.

>>  - security@ is the list to accept mail from lurking hackers, as usual
>>
>> If that goes well, I promise to give a further boon to resolve user experience
>> problems for new contributors, and I guess that we need some fresh blood who
>> knows about HTML5, Angular, d3 and all that fancy CSS generators that are
>> extensively used by Ruby folks.
>>
>> That's is deadly wrong that we don't have an inclusive playground for new
>> talents and instead of learning new things and adapting out habits, force them
>> to use our old and often very awkward practices.
>>
> The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help.

Nothing personal, but compare the site of wannabemost popular language
of the world:
https://github.com/python/pythondotorg with 30 contributors
with some not well known tool written in this language for managing
the aforementioned infrastructure:
https://github.com/ansible/ansible with 833 contributors.

And know that among those 30 there are only 10 really busy "volunteers"
https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/graphs/contributors
"volunteers" in brackets, because if I remember correctly, the initial
version of the
site (which is probably reflected in Github history) was made by paid
contract from
PFS.

> Given the lack of response to my post, what difference do you think these changes would make?

Depends on motivation and desire of people to build an open process with proper
crediting, high-score, some fun, experiments and review process. It
will also need
a lot of coordination maybe with the help from outreach initiative
Python web also
needs to be attractive place for people with web skills who want to
learn Python,
and a lot of dynamic stuff and integration stuff with all Python
services out there.
Yes, I said hiscore https://twistedmatrix.com/highscores/

Site are made for users, and the most important task is user experience. So,
I think that being a part of one [pydotorg] team is more pleasant
experience than
being a busy volunteer of underprivileged [pydotorg-www]. Maybe that's a lot of
buzz from nothing, but in having fun that's a big difference.

Also, [pydotorg] need a lot of people who can draw and make visualizations,
because decisions in web should be based on data and not on intuition of a few.
Just do a corridor testing and ask people which name do they prefer.
If I had any
money I could bet $100 that over 3/4 would chose to strip -www suffix.
I am not a
social scientist, so betting is my way of proving things.

From ncoghlan at gmail.com  Sun Aug 10 15:19:52 2014
From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 23:19:52 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
 'easy' github issues
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On 10 Aug 2014 22:55, "Steve Holden" <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:

> The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's
needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the
site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team
of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web
site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help.

I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was
around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and
hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate.

In the distutils-sig case it was python-dev that needed to more effectively
delegate decision making authority to empower an already interested
community, and at PyCon 2013, the decision was taken to update PEP 1 to
address that core problem. End result: a flourishing Python Packaging
Authority, and a package installer shipping by default with CPython.

For python.org, it is the PSF board that needs to delegate more
effectively, but just as in the distutils-sig case, properly empowering the
python.org team requires changing the power structures governing the
relationships between various groups. As with any delegation of authority,
however, trust and respect are key elements. In the distutils-sig case,
that was built up mostly through the pip, wheel and crate.io projects. For
python.org, we don't yet have anyone demonstrating the same kind of
initiative, independence and interest that was demonstrated by the leads of
those projects.

Regards,
Nick.

>
> Given the lack of response to my post, what difference do you think these
changes would make?
>
> S
>
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
wrote:
> >> Hi! Could we maybe set up a once-monthly FAQ post giving noobs the
lowdown
> >> on how to reach the repo and build a local site copy?
> >>
> >> S
> >>
> >> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:41 PM, Michael Foord <michael at voidspace.org.uk>
wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >> From: Jessica McKellar <jessica.mckellar at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
> >> Date: 6 August 2014 07:43:01 EEST
> >> To: pydotorg <pydotorg at python.org>
> >>
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> Brianna is interested in adding some labels to pydotorg issues, but
that
> >> action is restricted to project admins.
> >>
> >> 1. Can someone who is a project admin either add these labels, or
engage
> >> Brianna CC'ing this list about alternatives?
> >>
> >> 2. How can I check who the project admins are?
> >>
> >> 3. Is restricting labels to admins the right level of restriction?
> >>
> >> -Jessica
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM
> >> Subject: pydotorg 'easy' github issues
> >> To: jesstess at mit.edu
> >> Cc: Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Jessica!
> >>
> >> I'm at PyCon AU sprints and Nick suggested that pydotorg could be a
good
> >> project for newbies to contribute to.
> >>
> >> I went through the issues and I suggest that it could be useful to tag
the
> >> following issues as "easy pickings":
> >>
> >> - Add note in README for how to contribute #60 (add link to mailing
list)
> >> - Dead link and typo #422
> >> - "Become a member" link points to the wrong page #397
> >> - newjobs/review statusaction #447
> >> - job board - extra escaping #446
> >> - PSF recognizes *three* categories of members #429
> >> - docutils admonitions no longer stand out #428
> >> - PSF: Mission links to membership FAQ entry that no longer exists #392
> >> - Order download files better #273
> >> - Accented characters broken for Python donor list #254
> >>
> >> It would probably also be useful for some issues to be tagged as "PSF
input
> >> needed" or something similar (this might be synonymous with "content",
but
> >> Nick mentioned the admin around pydotorg is still a bit amorphous).
> >>
> >> cheers
> >> Brianna
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment:
> >> http://modernthings.org/
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pydotorg mailing list
> >> Pydotorg at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> >>
> >> May you do good and not evil
> >> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> >> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> >> -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Psf-redesign mailing list
> >> Psf-redesign at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/psf-redesign
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266
 @holdenweb
> >> --
> >> Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? It's
here!
> >> DjangoCon US, Portland, OR    http://djangocon.us     Aug 30-Sep 6,
2014
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> pydotorg-www mailing list
> >> pydotorg-www at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > anatoly t.
>
> Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266              @holdenweb
> --
> Want to come to the most fabulous Python web conference ever? It's here!
> DjangoCon US, Portland, OR    http://djangocon.us     Aug 30-Sep 6, 2014
>
>
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Sun Aug 10 23:20:01 2014
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 14:20:01 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
	'easy' github issues
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Thanks, Nick, a much more complete summary than my own.  S

On Aug 10, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate.
> 
> 

Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266              @holdenweb
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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Aug 11 11:25:13 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:25:13 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
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On 10.08.2014 15:19, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2014 22:55, "Steve Holden" <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
> 
>> The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's
> needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the
> site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team
> of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web
> site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help.
> 
> I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was
> around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and
> hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate.

python.org is still transitioning away from being a paid
development effort to a volunteer effort and a lot still needs
to be done to make the volunteer contributions easier.

The next few months should get us a lot closer to a working
eco system.

Note that the site will have to support multiple different
efforts with different needs and so we'll not only have one
group in charge of the site, but instead one for each sub-
system. The job board, the calendars, the success stories,
PEPs, etc. are examples of such sub-systems.

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 19:53:49 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:53:49 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:25 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> On 10.08.2014 15:19, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> On 10 Aug 2014 22:55, "Steve Holden" <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's
>> needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the
>> site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team
>> of developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web
>> site in the world. Without that, little else is going to help.
>>
>> I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was
>> around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and
>> hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate.
>
> python.org is still transitioning away from being a paid
> development effort to a volunteer effort and a lot still needs
> to be done to make the volunteer contributions easier.

Right. I am saying that removing excess defunkt mailing lists
helps volunteers find where actual activity taking place and join.

> The next few months should get us a lot closer to a working
> eco system.
>
> Note that the site will have to support multiple different
> efforts with different needs and so we'll not only have one
> group in charge of the site, but instead one for each sub-
> system. The job board, the calendars, the success stories,
> PEPs, etc. are examples of such sub-systems.

I am not quite sure that hierarchical organization of people
around site departments is a right way to go, but it will be
nice to move this discussions to a different thread. I'd like
to solve the problem that was raised by OP in this thread
at least partially ASAP, not waiting few more months. It is
not fun to wait for some ecosystem if all needed arguments
for this specific problem can be discussed right here right
now and action taken to make it easier at least partially.

-- 
anatoly t.

From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 20:32:07 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:32:07 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Psf-redesign] Fwd: [Pydotorg] Fwd: pydotorg
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On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2014 22:55, "Steve Holden" <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
>
>> The web site is an open source project. It isn't the sense of what's
>> needed that's absent, it's a busy crew of volunteers swarming all over the
>> site code (including HTNML and CSS) making it better. It's an active team of
>> developers anxious to make python.org the best open source language web site
>> in the world. Without that, little else is going to help.
>
> I consider python.org to be in a similar place to where distutils-sig was
> around 18 months ago - not in a position to make autonomous decisions, and
> hence not a place where volunteers are likely to be keen to participate.
>
> In the distutils-sig case it was python-dev that needed to more effectively
> delegate decision making authority to empower an already interested
> community, and at PyCon 2013, the decision was taken to update PEP 1 to
> address that core problem. End result: a flourishing Python Packaging
> Authority, and a package installer shipping by default with CPython.
>
> For python.org, it is the PSF board that needs to delegate more effectively,
> but just as in the distutils-sig case, properly empowering the python.org
> team requires changing the power structures governing the relationships
> between various groups. As with any delegation of authority, however, trust
> and respect are key elements. In the distutils-sig case, that was built up
> mostly through the pip, wheel and crate.io projects. For python.org, we
> don't yet have anyone demonstrating the same kind of initiative,
> independence and interest that was demonstrated by the leads of those
> projects.

As much as I like discussing politics, I'd prefer to concentrate
on doing what is possible right now with what we have without
placing too much hopes on somebody else or on futures.

I am happy to discuss the political issues that we have without
hijacking thread. You have authority. If authority is silent about
the issue, it leaves an impression that there is no issue or this
issue won't be resolved, because authority doesn't want it to,
which in turn leaves things in a sad state.

So if you want to help, could you state your arguments against
reducing mailing lists to a single entrypoint and making this
entrypoint public? If there are no objections, could you help take
the decision to the action level, because I don't know who else
can do the action here.

From randy at thesyrings.us  Mon Aug 11 19:45:15 2014
From: randy at thesyrings.us (Randy Syring)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:45:15 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Editing
Message-ID: <53E9012B.2010209@thesyrings.us>

Hi there,

I'm a new user to the Python wiki and would like to edit this page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups

To add information about DerbyPy, a python user group in the Louisville 
area.

username is: rsyring

Thanks.

*Randy Syring*
Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner

/"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world
and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/

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From audreyr at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 22:39:17 2014
From: audreyr at gmail.com (Audrey M Roy)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:39:17 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request for edit permissions
Message-ID: <CAM0KdEX_SzZJUFSocNnrtmoFHU_zTu-tw8B-1o2oKqsehCpiUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I would like to request permission to edit
https://wiki.python.org/moin/DiversityInPython

I would like to:
1. add info about the new #pydiversity IRC channel (part of the
original Python Diversity mailing list, used for real-time
discussions)
2. add links to all currently existing Python-related diversity
groups/workshops/initiatives.
3. help make ongoing improvements to the page as needed. I'm aware
from the page history that the page was controversial in the past;
please note that I'm very much open to your advice and guidance here.

Disclaimer: I'm active in PyLadies leadership, but I will do my best
to be neutral and inclusive to all Python diversity initiatives. I am
also now an admin for
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity and IRC
#pydiversity.

Warm regards,
Audrey

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue Aug 12 22:46:56 2014
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:46:56 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request for edit permissions
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On Tuesday 12. August 2014 22.39.17 Audrey M Roy wrote:
> Hi, I would like to request permission to edit
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DiversityInPython
> 
> I would like to:
> 1. add info about the new #pydiversity IRC channel (part of the
> original Python Diversity mailing list, used for real-time
> discussions)
> 2. add links to all currently existing Python-related diversity
> groups/workshops/initiatives.
> 3. help make ongoing improvements to the page as needed. I'm aware
> from the page history that the page was controversial in the past;
> please note that I'm very much open to your advice and guidance here.
> 
> Disclaimer: I'm active in PyLadies leadership, but I will do my best
> to be neutral and inclusive to all Python diversity initiatives. I am
> also now an admin for
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity and IRC
> #pydiversity.

Do you have a wiki account already? As soon as you let us know what it is, we 
can add you to the editors group.

Paul

From mal at egenix.com  Wed Aug 13 00:57:03 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:57:03 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Editing
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References: <53E9012B.2010209@thesyrings.us>
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Added. Happy editing :-)

On 11.08.2014 19:45, Randy Syring wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I'm a new user to the Python wiki and would like to edit this page:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups
> 
> To add information about DerbyPy, a python user group in the Louisville area.
> 
> username is: rsyring
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> *Randy Syring*
> Husband | Father | Redeemed Sinner
> 
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> and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36 ESV)/
> 
> 
> 
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 11:02:49 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:02:49 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken wiki search
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+5FWzB+fTmPe41EMbBQsrYw6RbPYEGPZ02e2PGTqtX+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Wiki search seems broken. Searching full-text for "highscore" gives 0
results, but "highscores" gives 1. I assume that this might be a
limitation of our search engine, but I may be wrong. Please advise,
what is the current Moin search engine and what are alternatives?

-- 
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From mal at egenix.com  Fri Aug 15 11:16:14 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:16:14 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken wiki search
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+5FWzB+fTmPe41EMbBQsrYw6RbPYEGPZ02e2PGTqtX+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8x+5FWzB+fTmPe41EMbBQsrYw6RbPYEGPZ02e2PGTqtX+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53EDCFDE.2040905@egenix.com>

On 15.08.2014 11:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Wiki search seems broken. Searching full-text for "highscore" gives 0
> results, but "highscores" gives 1. I assume that this might be a
> limitation of our search engine, but I may be wrong.

This is a limitation of the wiki search engine, but there are ways
around it:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnSearching

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 11:36:07 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:36:07 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Broken wiki search
In-Reply-To: <53EDCFDE.2040905@egenix.com>
References: <CAPkN8x+5FWzB+fTmPe41EMbBQsrYw6RbPYEGPZ02e2PGTqtX+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <53EDCFDE.2040905@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+9RUku=jzr7VR33SXWeQ6Lew6jhmJj_+NMLnreL2WKaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> On 15.08.2014 11:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>
>> Wiki search seems broken. Searching full-text for "highscore" gives 0
>> results, but "highscores" gives 1. I assume that this might be a
>> limitation of our search engine, but I may be wrong.
>
> This is a limitation of the wiki search engine, but there are ways
> around it:
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/HelpOnSearching

It works, but there is still something wrong about it. Searching for
"regex:highscore.*" still gives 755 false results in addition to 1 that is
right.

From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Fri Aug 22 12:57:04 2014
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:57:04 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Our download pages are in abysmal shape.
References: <201408221019.s7MAJugr013147@fido.openend.se>
Message-ID: <00168943-396C-4E7C-8A2B-16018CBE2146@voidspace.org.uk>

See below for reports and issues with the download links and pages. I'm aware that github issues would be the "right" way to resolve this, but we're getting a *lot* of reports about broken download links. It ought to be addressed systematically rather than piecemeal.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>
> Subject: Our download pages are in abysmal shape.
> Date: 22 August 2014 13:19:56 EEST
> To: webmaster at python.org, infrastructure at python.org, lac at openend.se
> 
> I am answering mail to webmaster at python.org
> I just replied to this.
> 
> In a message of Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:03:21 +1200, Will Walters writes:
>> Hello 
>> 
>> Can you tell me why I am unable to download windows version of Python please. Hitting the yellow download button will not work. Are you upgrading your website at the moment?
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Will.
> 
> Will Walters is correct, the yellow button doesn't work.
> 
> However, in researching his problem I have discovered that we are
> now a great candiate for poorest website of the year, from a usability
> standpoint. 
> 
> Many links do not work.
> 
> We have a parallel structure
> 
> https://www.python.org/downloads/release/lots of files
> https://www.python.org/download/releases/lots of files
> 
> which have different naming conventions for python releases.
> 
> All over the python.org site are links to one place or the other,
> and they cross reference themselves, too
> 
> I am finding the downloads/release files to be useful.  The other set
> of files (downloads/releases) contains the release announcment -- which 
> could be merged into the relevant downloads/release file -- but otherwise
> doesn't have anything I find at all useful.  
> 
> There is also a menu bar all over the site which has a selection
> 'Downloads'.  Clicking on that selection there gets you a separate
> set of 2 buttons, which (at least on my machine here) covers up the
> two yellow buttons.  Those separate buttons actually work, unlike the
> yellow ones that don't but this whole drop down is a mistake --
> you either go to the new page with the yellow buttons or you don't
> but you don't provide two competing ways to do the same thing just
> because you mouse over the download secton on the menu bar.
> 
> But whoever was paid to make this mess really needs to be told
> to sit down and clean the whole thing up.  What we have right now
> is both broken and terribly confusing, and reflects very badly on us.
> 
> Laura


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From benjamin at python.org  Sat Aug 23 08:05:41 2014
From: benjamin at python.org (Benjamin Peterson)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:05:41 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] allow me to edit the wiki
Message-ID: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Could you please add my wiki user name, BenjaminPeterson, to the wiki
editor group?

Thanks,
Benjamin

From techtonik at gmail.com  Sat Aug 23 18:33:44 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:33:44 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] allow me to edit the wiki
In-Reply-To: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xLEMVrKk3FTHStLjuG92zPk_yWN9tkypOS524ZizVJiww@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Benjamin Peterson <benjamin at python.org> wrote:
> BenjaminPeterson

I am here https://wiki.python.org/moin/TrustedEditorsGroup but I can't
add you. You
probably need to ask someone from https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdminGroup

-- 
anatoly t.

From richard at python.org  Sun Aug 24 01:01:40 2014
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:01:40 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] allow me to edit the wiki
In-Reply-To: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1408773941.4139863.155851773.21DE8D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrZfZBLUkBJy1J0BiRa5xJ7PkXpEJTnmUhE7triiMRBRYRMVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Added!


On 23 August 2014 16:05, Benjamin Peterson <benjamin at python.org> wrote:

> Could you please add my wiki user name, BenjaminPeterson, to the wiki
> editor group?
>
> Thanks,
> Benjamin
> _______________________________________________
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> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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From iwan at reahl.org  Sun Aug 24 16:34:27 2014
From: iwan at reahl.org (Iwan Vosloo)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:34:27 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks
Message-ID: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org>

Hi there,

I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, 
but seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When 
releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there.

Thank you
- Iwan Vosloo

-- 
Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org


From stefan at drees.name  Sun Aug 24 20:17:19 2014
From: stefan at drees.name (Stefan Drees)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:17:19 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks
In-Reply-To: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org>
References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org>
Message-ID: <53FA2C2F.7030606@drees.name>

Hi Iwan,

in the meantime I changed that entry to:

Reahl (2.1.2 Released 2014-08-24) - With Reahl, programming is done 
purely in Python, using concepts familiar from GUI programming - like 
reusable Widgets and Events.

Hope that helps ;-)

All the best,
Stefan.
Am 24.08.14 16:34, schrieb Iwan Vosloo:
> Hi there,
>
> I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks,
> but seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When
> releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there.
>
> Thank you
> - Iwan Vosloo
>


From richard at python.org  Mon Aug 25 08:55:02 2014
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:55:02 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks
In-Reply-To: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org>
References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org>
Message-ID: <CAHrZfZBO6mr7KqEreY817n-HV30qbD_2rD9L0NgqNca42upbvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Iwan, what's your wiki username please?


On 25 August 2014 00:34, Iwan Vosloo <iwan at reahl.org> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, but
> seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When
> releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there.
>
> Thank you
> - Iwan Vosloo
>
> --
> Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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From andriy.kornatskyy at live.com  Mon Aug 25 15:57:37 2014
From: andriy.kornatskyy at live.com (Andriy Kornatskyy)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:57:37 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] edit request
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP108F99D7D9A1F9FE271915591DF0@phx.gbl>

I would like request edit permission for the following:

account name: akorn
resource: https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks
purpose: update version number for wheezy.web framework.

Thanks.

Andriy Kornatskyy


From iwan at reahl.org  Sun Aug 24 20:54:35 2014
From: iwan at reahl.org (Iwan Vosloo)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:54:35 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks
In-Reply-To: <53FA2C2F.7030606@drees.name>
References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org> <53FA2C2F.7030606@drees.name>
Message-ID: <53FA34EB.8040809@reahl.org>

Perfect thank you Stefan.

Regards
- Iwan

On 24/08/2014 20:17, Stefan Drees wrote:
> Hi Iwan,
>
> in the meantime I changed that entry to:
>
> Reahl (2.1.2 Released 2014-08-24) - With Reahl, programming is done 
> purely in Python, using concepts familiar from GUI programming - like 
> reusable Widgets and Events.
>
> Hope that helps ;-)
>
> All the best,
> Stefan.
> Am 24.08.14 16:34, schrieb Iwan Vosloo:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks,
>> but seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When
>> releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there.
>>
>> Thank you
>> - Iwan Vosloo
>>
>


-- 
Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org


From iwan at reahl.org  Mon Aug 25 09:01:56 2014
From: iwan at reahl.org (Iwan Vosloo)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:01:56 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks
In-Reply-To: <CAHrZfZBO6mr7KqEreY817n-HV30qbD_2rD9L0NgqNca42upbvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org>
 <CAHrZfZBO6mr7KqEreY817n-HV30qbD_2rD9L0NgqNca42upbvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53FADF64.8010107@reahl.org>

Richard, its "IwanVosloo"

Regards
- Iwan

On 25/08/2014 08:55, Richard Jones wrote:
> Hi Iwan, what's your wiki username please?
>
>
> On 25 August 2014 00:34, Iwan Vosloo <iwan at reahl.org 
> <mailto:iwan at reahl.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi there,
>
>     I used to be able to edit
>     https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks, but seems I cannot do
>     so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When releasing Reahl
>     we like to just update the info there.
>
>     Thank you
>     - Iwan Vosloo
>
>     -- 
>     Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     pydotorg-www mailing list
>     pydotorg-www at python.org <mailto:pydotorg-www at python.org>
>     https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>


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From richard at python.org  Tue Aug 26 08:53:42 2014
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:53:42 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing /WebFrameworks
In-Reply-To: <53FADF64.8010107@reahl.org>
References: <53F9F7F3.3070003@reahl.org>
 <CAHrZfZBO6mr7KqEreY817n-HV30qbD_2rD9L0NgqNca42upbvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53FADF64.8010107@reahl.org>
Message-ID: <CAHrZfZAdS1HUmQ9A1apiBNigY5Rs6ddAD8itLOHk2uGT-9G56w@mail.gmail.com>

Added to editors group.


On 25 August 2014 17:01, Iwan Vosloo <iwan at reahl.org> wrote:

>  Richard, its "IwanVosloo"
>
> Regards
> - Iwan
>
>
> On 25/08/2014 08:55, Richard Jones wrote:
>
> Hi Iwan, what's your wiki username please?
>
>
> On 25 August 2014 00:34, Iwan Vosloo <iwan at reahl.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I used to be able to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks,
>> but seems I cannot do so anymore. Could you please allow me again? When
>> releasing Reahl we like to just update the info there.
>>
>> Thank you
>> - Iwan Vosloo
>>
>> --
>> Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Reahl, the Python only web framework: http://www.reahl.org
>
>
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Aug 26 13:38:57 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:38:57 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] edit request
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP108F99D7D9A1F9FE271915591DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU436-SMTP108F99D7D9A1F9FE271915591DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <53FC71D1.8050204@egenix.com>

Added. Happy editing !

On 25.08.2014 15:57, Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
> I would like request edit permission for the following:
> 
> account name: akorn
> resource: https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks
> purpose: update version number for wheezy.web framework.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Andriy Kornatskyy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 

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From jfilippidis at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 02:31:10 2014
From: jfilippidis at gmail.com (Ioannis Filippidis)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:31:10 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] intent to edit the wiki
Message-ID: <53FE784E.7070201@gmail.com>

Hello,

My account name is "IoannisFilippidis" and I'd like to edit the wiki page:
     https://wiki.python.org/moin/FiniteStateMachine
by adding a link to:
     https://github.com/tulip-control/tulip-control
that contains a relevant subpackage.

Thanks,
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From rootatdz at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 11:07:13 2014
From: rootatdz at gmail.com (Adel Merabet)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:07:13 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editors Group
Message-ID: <CANcSrqLUk+F6BGxg_6b6=UDwaACw5KxXh+q6SqP76GfnGMPh6A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sirs/Madams,

i'm Adel MERABET (Python User Group Algeria) i want to be added to the
editors group
https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdelMerabet

We moved to a group in Facebook and we want to change the link in
LocalUserGroups
https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Other_Africa

From:
Python Algeria - Algeria (https://groups.google.com/d/forum/python-dz)
To:
Python Algeria - Algeria (https://www.facebook.com/groups/pythondz)

Please help me change the link to be able to grow our community :)

Best regards,

--
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From mal at egenix.com  Thu Aug 28 17:42:55 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:42:55 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editors Group
In-Reply-To: <CANcSrqLUk+F6BGxg_6b6=UDwaACw5KxXh+q6SqP76GfnGMPh6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANcSrqLUk+F6BGxg_6b6=UDwaACw5KxXh+q6SqP76GfnGMPh6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53FF4DFF.5060702@egenix.com>

Added. Happy editing !

On 28.08.2014 11:07, Adel Merabet wrote:
> Dear Sirs/Madams,
> 
> i'm Adel MERABET (Python User Group Algeria) i want to be added to the
> editors group
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdelMerabet
> 
> We moved to a group in Facebook and we want to change the link in
> LocalUserGroups
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Other_Africa
> 
> From:
> Python Algeria - Algeria (https://groups.google.com/d/forum/python-dz)
> To:
> Python Algeria - Algeria (https://www.facebook.com/groups/pythondz)
> 
> Please help me change the link to be able to grow our community :)
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> --
> Adel Merabet
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 

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From tlocke at tlocke.org.uk  Sat Aug 30 21:06:10 2014
From: tlocke at tlocke.org.uk (Tony Locke)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:06:10 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Edit to PostgreSQL page
Message-ID: <CAPpF0yNfX=eK6TRsP3D=7dHej9iKfq2W3FsuzYN0Qw+1ZMtZsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I'd like to make an edit to the following wiki page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/PostgreSQL

I'm seeking to update the main URL for pg8000 from http://pybrary.net/pg8000
to http://pythonhosted.org/pg8000/.

Thanks,

Tony Locke
<http://pybrary.net/pg8000/>
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From richard at python.org  Sun Aug 31 04:36:47 2014
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:36:47 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Edit to PostgreSQL page
In-Reply-To: <CAPpF0yNfX=eK6TRsP3D=7dHej9iKfq2W3FsuzYN0Qw+1ZMtZsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpF0yNfX=eK6TRsP3D=7dHej9iKfq2W3FsuzYN0Qw+1ZMtZsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrZfZD_NMyDBuaYqj9Xykx-42z95Uj6Msg=F6EB5-KRvyTYcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tony, what's your wiki login name?


On 31 August 2014 05:06, Tony Locke <tlocke at tlocke.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi, I'd like to make an edit to the following wiki page:
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PostgreSQL
>
> I'm seeking to update the main URL for pg8000 from
> http://pybrary.net/pg8000 to http://pythonhosted.org/pg8000/.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony Locke
> <http://pybrary.net/pg8000/>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
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From richard at python.org  Sun Aug 31 04:37:22 2014
From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:37:22 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] intent to edit the wiki
In-Reply-To: <53FE784E.7070201@gmail.com>
References: <53FE784E.7070201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrZfZC4tE-Ny6bPEfTr11bjkAj+1BG8tTrJ6JPdem-DjjZhqg@mail.gmail.com>

You should be able to edit the page now.


On 28 August 2014 10:31, Ioannis Filippidis <jfilippidis at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> My account name is "IoannisFilippidis" and I'd like to edit the wiki page:
>     https://wiki.python.org/moin/FiniteStateMachine
> by adding a link to:
>     https://github.com/tulip-control/tulip-control
> that contains a relevant subpackage.
>
> Thanks,
> ioannis
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
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From ana.balica at gmail.com  Sun Aug 31 20:05:08 2014
From: ana.balica at gmail.com (Ana Balica)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:05:08 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Wiki] EditorsGroup
Message-ID: <CAJe3=1bx2_UfzcetuDWGXb82HUYEE+RdpsFDJSDWfT0Kx4zLHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Account: AnaBalica
Edit intentions: add Python User Group from Moldova to the list of Python
LUGs (https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups)

We have so far a facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/groups/pymoldova/

Thanks and cheers!
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