[pydotorg-www] web frameworks page feedback

M.-A. Lemburg mal at egenix.com
Sun Dec 21 12:00:30 CET 2014

On 21.12.2014 00:14, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
> [I'm not sure where discussion about the wiki content should go,
> perhaps not here, in which I apologize. please skip to read the
> bottom]
> I noticed a recent change to the
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks that moved Grok (I
> framework I helped found) down from the popular frameworks. I agree
> with that move; it's not been popular for a while now and was never as
> popular as, say, Pyramid or Flask are now.
> Here are some concerns I have with the current page:
> * Frameworks that I consider are big and get a lot of attention such
> as Flask and Pyramid do not come under any "popular" heading. But they
> are very popular, and right now they're ranked with obscure things
> like BlueBream or Aquarium. I don't think this reflects the state of
> the Python community. If you're going to do popularity stuff at all,
> why not list some of the popular non-full stack frameworks?
> * Why are some frameworks in a table format (which gives them more
> attention, I think) and some not? I can see doing so for popular
> frameworks, but why do it for some other full stack frameworks and
> some not?
> * A framework like wheezy.web is considered "full stack" and is
> highlighted in a table as such. I appreciate wheezy.web, but I really
> think this is unfair to frameworks like Pyramid and Flask, which offer
> more or less the same facilities. You can argue they offer some of
> them through extensions, but so does wheezy.web. If you're going to
> say wheezy.web is full stack, then so are Pyramid and Flask.
> For a traditional Python full-stack framework I'd look for something
> like tight database integration and a form generation system, like
> Django has, or Grok has. wheezy.web is far more "roll your own". (For
> a more modern full-stack framework a lot of it might be done
> client-side instead)
> Finally, I'm the developer of a non-big non-full-stack framework
> called Morepath. I'd like to see it added to the page somewhere too.
> (http://morepath.readthedocs.org).
> If someone gives me editor access I can see about making some edits
> myself, but I'd be happy if someone else took care of these concerns
> too.
> My account name is MartijnFaassen

I've added you to the editors. Happy editing !

Regarding this particular page, please have a look at the editorial
notes at the end of the page.

IMO, the table format makes the page look nicer, but someone should
then reorg all entries into this format.

Marc-Andre Lemburg

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