From techtonik at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 12:14:14 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:14:14 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors" by
	PaulBoddie
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Can somebody make Wiki send mails from some list address more suitable
for discussions?


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From: anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>
To: Python Wiki <wiki at python.org>
Cc:
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:11:03 +0300
Subject: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors" by PaulBoddie
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Python Wiki <wiki at python.org> wrote:
> Dear Wiki user,
>
> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Python Wiki" for change notification.
>
> The "PythonEditors" page has been changed by PaulBoddie:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors?action=diff&rev1=557&rev2=558
>
> Comment:
> Added ACL.

Why?

> + #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
> +
>   If you have anything to contribute -- e.g. configurations for editors, new editors, or opinion -- don't hesitate to edit or create pages.

Isn't it contradicting with ACL?

--
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From mal at egenix.com  Sun Feb  9 12:34:28 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 12:34:28 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors"
 by PaulBoddie
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On 09.02.2014 12:14, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> Can somebody make Wiki send mails from some list address more suitable
> for discussions?

The message you received was from the wiki notification service.
It should be obvious that this is not a good discussion partner :-)

In any case, if you want to discuss wiki issues you can do so here.

Regarding Paul's change: this was likely to prevent excessive spam.

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> 
> READ THIS!  (If you want help.)
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> From: anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>
> To: Python Wiki <wiki at python.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:11:03 +0300
> Subject: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors" by PaulBoddie
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Python Wiki <wiki at python.org> wrote:
>> Dear Wiki user,
>>
>> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Python Wiki" for change notification.
>>
>> The "PythonEditors" page has been changed by PaulBoddie:
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors?action=diff&rev1=557&rev2=558
>>
>> Comment:
>> Added ACL.
> 
> Why?
> 
>> + #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
>> +
>>   If you have anything to contribute -- e.g. configurations for editors, new editors, or opinion -- don't hesitate to edit or create pages.
> 
> Isn't it contradicting with ACL?

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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sun Feb  9 14:09:45 2014
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:09:45 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors"
	by PaulBoddie
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Message-ID: <201402091409.46007.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Sunday 9. February 2014 12.14.14 anatoly techtonik wrote:
> Can somebody make Wiki send mails from some list address more suitable
> for discussions?

You can't argue with the wiki? ;-)

But regarding the change I made...

[...]

> > The "PythonEditors" page has been changed by PaulBoddie:
> > https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors?action=diff&rev1=557&rev2=558
> > 
> > Comment:
> > Added ACL.
> 
> Why?

Because I'm fed up of having to revert wiki pages all the time. Some people 
may subscribe to the idea that things should be super-easy for random people 
on the Internet to go in and make their oh-so-vital contribution to shared 
resources like the Python Wiki, because it's otherwise "setting a high 
barrier", "inconvenient for quick changes" or just being "elitist", but when 
it just means that people go in and vandalise it with their stupid link 
spamming, I'd much rather raise the barrier so that it's more likely that only 
people motivated enough to sign up and to actually demonstrate competence and 
benign intent get to edit those resources.

> > + #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
> > +
> > 
> >   If you have anything to contribute -- e.g. configurations for editors,
> >   new editors, or opinion -- don't hesitate to edit or create pages.
> 
> Isn't it contradicting with ACL?

Not really. Random spammers don't have anything to contribute, and short of 
introducing other measures (which exist but don't seem to be palatable to the 
admins, at least as far as I know), I don't think it's much to ask people to 
demonstrate that they are sincere about making genuine contributions. There 
are people who send mails to me personally to edit pages without ACLs, so it's 
no hardship for people to do what you managed to do and to work your way up 
into the trusted editors group.

Currently, I'm setting ACLs only on the most spammed pages after reverting 
them for the nth time. Again, we could add other measures, but there seems to 
be a resistance to do so. I think admin time and resources are limited (and 
I've been waiting for months for the go-ahead on something else that involves 
the python.org infrastructure, although I'm quite prepared to wait), and so we 
just have to make the best out of what we have. But that doesn't mean asking 
more from me and others who de-spam the wiki just to make everybody else's 
lives, including those of random spammers, easier.

Paul

From mal at egenix.com  Sun Feb  9 14:04:20 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:04:20 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki spam (was: Fwd: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of
 "PythonEditors" by PaulBoddie)
In-Reply-To: <201402091409.46007.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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 <201402091409.46007.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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On 09.02.2014 14:09, Paul Boddie wrote:
> Currently, I'm setting ACLs only on the most spammed pages after reverting 
> them for the nth time. Again, we could add other measures, but there seems to 
> be a resistance to do so.

Could you elaborate on those other measures ?

You did mention a moderation feature some time back, but I don't remember
seeing code for it. FWIW, I don't think this would lower the amount
of work - probably just move it over to the moderation queue compared
to the necessary spam removal every now and then.

The number of spam pages and occasional vandalism has dropped to
reasonable levels as far as I can tell. It's still annoying as ever,
though.

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From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 06:40:11 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:40:11 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors"
 by PaulBoddie
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On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> On 09.02.2014 12:14, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> Can somebody make Wiki send mails from some list address more suitable
>> for discussions?
>
> The message you received was from the wiki notification service.
> It should be obvious that this is not a good discussion partner :-)

I'd hack the system to make it redirect to a list that manages wiki affairs.

The coder part of my brain tells that wiki at python.org should alias to
this list, but the marketing and PR departments don't like the awkward
pydotorg-www name, but don't risk resurrecting pydotorg thread, which
will bring back deconstructive whines about privacy and comfort zones.

> In any case, if you want to discuss wiki issues you can do so here.

Me? No. I hate MoinMoin ugly links, GPL, myself and issues. =) But
other users may be interested to discover the discussion means.

> Regarding Paul's change: this was likely to prevent excessive spam.
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: The Python Replybot <noreply at python.org>
>> Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors" by PaulBoddie
>> To: techtonik at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> READ THIS!  (If you want help.)
>> ...
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>
>> To: Python Wiki <wiki at python.org>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:11:03 +0300
>> Subject: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors" by PaulBoddie
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Python Wiki <wiki at python.org> wrote:
>>> Dear Wiki user,
>>>
>>> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Python Wiki" for change notification.
>>>
>>> The "PythonEditors" page has been changed by PaulBoddie:
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors?action=diff&rev1=557&rev2=558
>>>
>>> Comment:
>>> Added ACL.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>> + #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
>>> +
>>>   If you have anything to contribute -- e.g. configurations for editors, new editors, or opinion -- don't hesitate to edit or create pages.
>>
>> Isn't it contradicting with ACL?
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> eGenix.com
>
> Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Feb 09 2014)
>>>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ...   http://www.egenix.com/
>>>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ...       http://zope.egenix.com/
>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 2014-01-28: Released eGenix pyOpenSSL 0.13.3 ...  http://egenix.com/go52
>
> ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::::
>
>    eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH  Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
>     D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
>            Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
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-- 
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 07:02:00 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:02:00 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Re: [Python Wiki] Update of "PythonEditors"
 by PaulBoddie
In-Reply-To: <201402091409.46007.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sunday 9. February 2014 12.14.14 anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> Can somebody make Wiki send mails from some list address more suitable
>> for discussions?
>
> You can't argue with the wiki? ;-)
>
> But regarding the change I made...
>
> [...]
>
>> > The "PythonEditors" page has been changed by PaulBoddie:
>> > https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors?action=diff&rev1=557&rev2=558
>> >
>> > Comment:
>> > Added ACL.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Because I'm fed up of having to revert wiki pages all the time. Some people
> may subscribe to the idea that things should be super-easy for random people
> on the Internet to go in and make their oh-so-vital contribution to shared
> resources like the Python Wiki, because it's otherwise "setting a high
> barrier", "inconvenient for quick changes" or just being "elitist", but when
> it just means that people go in and vandalise it with their stupid link
> spamming, I'd much rather raise the barrier so that it's more likely that only
> people motivated enough to sign up and to actually demonstrate competence and
> benign intent get to edit those resources.

I'd say that spammers are more motivated than competent people
nowadays. The decline in Wikipedia edits shows a clear trend, so EAFP
becomes even more important to encourage valuable additions. The 2014
solution is not strict ACL, but ACL that just puts edits in
ModerationQueue, which MoinMoin doesn't implement.

>> > + #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
>> > +
>> >
>> >   If you have anything to contribute -- e.g. configurations for editors,
>> >   new editors, or opinion -- don't hesitate to edit or create pages.
>>
>> Isn't it contradicting with ACL?
>
> Not really. Random spammers don't have anything to contribute, and short of
> introducing other measures (which exist but don't seem to be palatable to the
> admins, at least as far as I know),

No. The question is about this text -

>> >   If you have anything to contribute -- e.g. configurations for editors,
>> >   new editors, or opinion -- don't hesitate to edit or create pages.

people won't be able to edit or create pages under ACL, so after don't
hesitating they will become stumbled.

> be a resistance to do so. I think admin time and resources are limited (and
> I've been waiting for months for the go-ahead on something else that involves
> the python.org infrastructure, although I'm quite prepared to wait), and so we

For me such issues should be made public. There are many Python users who
are full time admins, who are mostly free if they good at what they are doing,
and they may help.

> just have to make the best out of what we have. But that doesn't mean asking
> more from me and others who de-spam the wiki just to make everybody else's
> lives, including those of random spammers, easier.

It would be more fun to use the best what we have and not build upon best that's
available. Because in Belarus I don't know people who would do through the
process of requesting permission to edit a page on Python wiki, and we have
about 10 mln. people. I'd also give edit privilege to any person who
made at least
one successful edit.

From ewa at python.org  Wed Feb 12 16:09:06 2014
From: ewa at python.org (Ewa Jodlowska)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:09:06 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Deadline to make changes to live pydotorg: Feb 14
	10pm UTC
Message-ID: <CADx+GQPEXtMAdVfmdPiRZQF3+1rkk=zByJ8ohyoO634nac4zAA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

With the plan to launch the new pydotorg Monday, the vendor will need to
import all changes made on the live site since October 2013.

*Please do not make changes to the live pydotorg site after February 14,
2014 20:00 UTC.*

If you know of anyone who may make changes to the site, but not keep up
with these mailing lists, please pass on the notice!

Thanks,

Ewa
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From ewa at python.org  Wed Feb 12 20:28:01 2014
From: ewa at python.org (Ewa Jodlowska)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 20:28:01 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New Pydotorg Permissions
Message-ID: <CADx+GQO1f4LN1q8kLhp11RzPe0FC+QwFhXf9j12qAUciEiDZQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I need help creating new User Groups for admin permissions on the new site
being launched Monday. That will take me some time to get familiar with who
does what. In the meantime, please mark the categories you will need access
to come Monday. Not everyone will remain with superuser status.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoe4DBFpHki1dHd1RjIzUEtQd3BEOE9ManQ4M2JRNHc&usp=sharing

If you are not yet on the list, but will need access, please fill out the
spreadsheet. If you know of someone that will need access but is not yet on
the list, please add them.

Thanks,

Ewa
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From mal at egenix.com  Wed Feb 12 20:48:06 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 20:48:06 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New Pydotorg Permissions
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On 12.02.2014 20:28, Ewa Jodlowska wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I need help creating new User Groups for admin permissions on the new site
> being launched Monday. That will take me some time to get familiar with who
> does what. In the meantime, please mark the categories you will need access
> to come Monday. Not everyone will remain with superuser status.
> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoe4DBFpHki1dHd1RjIzUEtQd3BEOE9ManQ4M2JRNHc&usp=sharing
> 
> If you are not yet on the list, but will need access, please fill out the
> spreadsheet. If you know of someone that will need access but is not yet on
> the list, please add them.

Thanks, Ewa.

Could you give a short explanation for each category or point us
to the site documentation for this purpose ?

I suppose you want us to put 'x'es into the various columns, right ?

Also: What's the plan for working on the site code ? The preview.python.org
version doesn't seem to have the calendars enabled, so I guess we'll
need to put some more work into this.

Thanks,
-- 
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From ewa at python.org  Thu Feb 13 14:32:38 2014
From: ewa at python.org (Ewa Jodlowska)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:32:38 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] New Pydotorg Permissions
In-Reply-To: <52FBCFF6.9050704@egenix.com>
References: <CADx+GQO1f4LN1q8kLhp11RzPe0FC+QwFhXf9j12qAUciEiDZQA@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, please put x's.

I will check on the rest today with Frank & Seth.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:48 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> On 12.02.2014 20:28, Ewa Jodlowska wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I need help creating new User Groups for admin permissions on the new
> site
> > being launched Monday. That will take me some time to get familiar with
> who
> > does what. In the meantime, please mark the categories you will need
> access
> > to come Monday. Not everyone will remain with superuser status.
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoe4DBFpHki1dHd1RjIzUEtQd3BEOE9ManQ4M2JRNHc&usp=sharing
> >
> > If you are not yet on the list, but will need access, please fill out the
> > spreadsheet. If you know of someone that will need access but is not yet
> on
> > the list, please add them.
>
> Thanks, Ewa.
>
> Could you give a short explanation for each category or point us
> to the site documentation for this purpose ?
>
> I suppose you want us to put 'x'es into the various columns, right ?
>
> Also: What's the plan for working on the site code ? The
> preview.python.org
> version doesn't seem to have the calendars enabled, so I guess we'll
> need to put some more work into this.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> eGenix.com
>
> Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, Feb 12 2014)
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> >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
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>
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From ewa at python.org  Mon Feb 17 09:18:39 2014
From: ewa at python.org (Ewa Jodlowska)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:18:39 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Pushing pydotorg Launch to Wendesday February 19th
Message-ID: <CADx+GQO2eNuivLXyCY=r9isAUfHqhAuLQf95QQOjZskm=SPaaw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning everyone,

To give infrastructure and redesign some more time to finish up the
important items, we are going to push the launch to Wednesday, Feb 19.

One major item that is still in the works is the redirect of pages that
will not be created in time to "old.python.org" pages. We are hoping that
pushing to Wednesday will give infrastructure and the vendors more time to
complete this.

The couple of extra days will hopefully let us also figure out /news and
/jobs as Brian has stated in his email (email subject line: Current content
status).

We owe a big thanks to everyone that has been devoting time to getting
preview ready for launch!

Thanks,

Ewa
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Tue Feb 18 11:23:24 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:23:24 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Implementing a personal standard library
In-Reply-To: <CAJvrtnvqUa0=CG_znP9HUQsQkfivEumO=SsFKagmWcLrkdkREg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvrtnscy4T1oF8mODmr9UXGZJLmuS5AP+_AQ59=LLiJAf0akA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPkN8xL=goqsmCqaD3yTiRDH5Jha3cGQX8ES6NG7DBOFY6LjFA@mail.gmail.com>

There is also a related initiative to split standard library into pieces.
https://bitbucket.org/techtonik/python-stdlib

So that you can have bugs per module, feedback per module,
discussions per module and teams organized per module. As well
as votes per module and all kind of various metrics including the
quality ratio and feedback whenever the module should be
refactored, deprecated, replaced or removed from standard library.

In the long term space exploration program every module could also
accumulate stories of usage (both good and bad) and scenarios
(planned usage workflow), which will provide essential source data
for reengineering efforts. So far no funding had been secured to go
on with this plan.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Richard Prosser
<richard.prosser at mail.com> wrote:
> Thanks - that's what I was looking for, though I think that the issue should
> be given higher priority, somehow.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On 24 January 2014 20:50, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 24.01.2014 21:19, Richard Prosser wrote:
>> > IMO, the Standard Library is overblown and outdated, so users may wish
>> > to
>> > implement their own. This may be the subject of a PEP beyond the one
>> > (411)
>> > mentioned in the post below.
>> >
>> > This "Dead Batteries
>> >
>> > Included"<http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/10/dead-batteries-included.html>blog
>> > post suggests a way of doing that - a pip
>> > requirements file - but I am reluctant to link to that particular page,
>> > if
>> > only because there are no detailed instructions supplied. I am also
>> > unsure
>> > where to place it, or the equivalent text.
>> >
>> > Do you have any suggestions, please? Perhaps there should be a
>> > "Practical
>> > Python" section or the like.
>>
>> You might want to have a look at this page:
>>
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/CodingProjectIdeas/StandardLibrary
>>
>> --
>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>> eGenix.com
>>
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>
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From martin at v.loewis.de  Thu Feb 20 17:49:32 2014
From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:49:32 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Need access to the new site
Message-ID: <20140220174932.Horde.b-pPoHc4k_HhBa6Zd8PpKQ5@webmail.df.eu>

I need to get access to the new site in order to upload file releases.
What is the technology I should use to do such uploading, and how do
I get permission to perform the upload?

Regards,
Martin




From noah at coderanger.net  Thu Feb 20 19:10:07 2014
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:10:07 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Need access to the new site
In-Reply-To: <20140220174932.Horde.b-pPoHc4k_HhBa6Zd8PpKQ5@webmail.df.eu>
References: <20140220174932.Horde.b-pPoHc4k_HhBa6Zd8PpKQ5@webmail.df.eu>
Message-ID: <6F785D7B-00C9-4381-85F4-5912DABBFF9C@coderanger.net>

Documentation for the process is still being worked out, but for now files are still hosted from dinsdale (by way of a redirect) so you don't need anything new.

--Noah

On Feb 20, 2014, at 8:49 AM, martin at v.loewis.de wrote:

> I need to get access to the new site in order to upload file releases.
> What is the technology I should use to do such uploading, and how do
> I get permission to perform the upload?
> 
> Regards,
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www

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From noah at coderanger.net  Thu Feb 20 19:52:53 2014
From: noah at coderanger.net (Noah Kantrowitz)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:52:53 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] The PSF wiki
Message-ID: <4D3765C7-905E-49E9-955A-DC8489391EAE@coderanger.net>

Now that the PSF is an open-membership organization, is there any objection to making the PSF wiki open access as well? Seems a bit silly to say "members only" when anyone can be a member.

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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Feb 20 19:55:44 2014
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:55:44 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] The PSF wiki
In-Reply-To: <4D3765C7-905E-49E9-955A-DC8489391EAE@coderanger.net>
References: <4D3765C7-905E-49E9-955A-DC8489391EAE@coderanger.net>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSj+PTe+jqxhmAjNAP9PYQCRZj+tLTrk1j_G7j4C5hDD8g@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if a psf wiki is worth the trouble.

We all have github accounts and such, that is where I put content I want
people to see.
I have not even thought of editing or looking at the psf wiki in years.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Noah Kantrowitz <noah at coderanger.net>wrote:

> Now that the PSF is an open-membership organization, is there any
> objection to making the PSF wiki open access as well? Seems a bit silly to
> say "members only" when anyone can be a member.
>
> --Noah
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>


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From goodger at python.org  Thu Feb 20 21:09:53 2014
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:09:53 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] The PSF wiki
In-Reply-To: <4D3765C7-905E-49E9-955A-DC8489391EAE@coderanger.net>
References: <4D3765C7-905E-49E9-955A-DC8489391EAE@coderanger.net>
Message-ID: <CABiJP=+6zB0e9vaCcyYdb606n=AOXJ8wO7Vt6=K=cQ-wkXs4_w@mail.gmail.com>

On 20 February 2014 12:52, Noah Kantrowitz <noah at coderanger.net> wrote:
> Now that the PSF is an open-membership organization, is there any objection
> to making the PSF wiki open access as well? Seems a bit silly to say
> "members only" when anyone can be a member.

Yes, I object. If you look at https://wiki.python.org/psf/FrontPage,
the purpose of the wiki is spelled out at the bottom:

"""
The purpose of this wiki is as a private space for collaborative editing:

* for initial internal development of proposals and plans, that may
not yet be ready to be shared with the world at large;
* to arrive at an internal consensus before taking an official position;
* for sensitive and confidential information; and
* to serve as an archive of projects we decided not to pursue and the
reasons why not.
"""

AFAIK, all of these are still useful. And even if not, these were the
rules in place when the existing pages were added, and opening them up
wholesale could expose details that shouldn't be made public. There
are pages that are limited to Board Directors and Officers that should
definitely not be made public. On the other hand, it's easy to enable
public access for individual pages as needed, and this has been done
for several pages.

The PSF may have open membership now, but I expect that the majority
of new members will be Basic Members without voting rights. I suggest
that the purpose of the Private PSF Wiki be re-stated as accessible to
"voting members of the PSF".

In any case, I think this is premature.
http://www.python.org/psf/membership/ still lists the old membership
classes. http://www.python.org/psf/bylaws/ show the old bylaws, not
the new ones (and have the new ones been adopted yet?). I assume that
the form at http://www.python.org/users/membership/ is for Basic
Membership (I don't see any choice there, or any way to pay a
Supporting Membership fee).

If we want to have a normally-open wiki for the PSF, I recommend
making a new one, and selectively moving pages over from the old one.
I think you'll find there's plenty that ought not to be made open.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From mal at egenix.com  Fri Feb 21 09:50:08 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:50:08 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Board]  The PSF wiki
In-Reply-To: <CABiJP=+6zB0e9vaCcyYdb606n=AOXJ8wO7Vt6=K=cQ-wkXs4_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D3765C7-905E-49E9-955A-DC8489391EAE@coderanger.net>
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Message-ID: <53071340.5040707@egenix.com>

On 20.02.2014 21:09, David Goodger wrote:
> On 20 February 2014 12:52, Noah Kantrowitz <noah at coderanger.net> wrote:
>> Now that the PSF is an open-membership organization, is there any objection
>> to making the PSF wiki open access as well? Seems a bit silly to say
>> "members only" when anyone can be a member.
> 
> Yes, I object. If you look at https://wiki.python.org/psf/FrontPage,
> the purpose of the wiki is spelled out at the bottom:
> 
> """
> The purpose of this wiki is as a private space for collaborative editing:
> 
> * for initial internal development of proposals and plans, that may
> not yet be ready to be shared with the world at large;
> * to arrive at an internal consensus before taking an official position;
> * for sensitive and confidential information; and
> * to serve as an archive of projects we decided not to pursue and the
> reasons why not.
> """
> 
> AFAIK, all of these are still useful. And even if not, these were the
> rules in place when the existing pages were added, and opening them up
> wholesale could expose details that shouldn't be made public. There
> are pages that are limited to Board Directors and Officers that should
> definitely not be made public. On the other hand, it's easy to enable
> public access for individual pages as needed, and this has been done
> for several pages.
> 
> The PSF may have open membership now, but I expect that the majority
> of new members will be Basic Members without voting rights. I suggest
> that the purpose of the Private PSF Wiki be re-stated as accessible to
> "voting members of the PSF".
> 
> In any case, I think this is premature.
> http://www.python.org/psf/membership/ still lists the old membership
> classes. http://www.python.org/psf/bylaws/ show the old bylaws, not
> the new ones (and have the new ones been adopted yet?). I assume that
> the form at http://www.python.org/users/membership/ is for Basic
> Membership (I don't see any choice there, or any way to pay a
> Supporting Membership fee).
> 
> If we want to have a normally-open wiki for the PSF, I recommend
> making a new one, and selectively moving pages over from the old one.
> I think you'll find there's plenty that ought not to be made open.

I agree with David. We've been using the PSF wiki as private place
for sharing PSF internal information. That information would have
to be reviewed before making it public.

Note that we have not yet decided on whether basic members will
get access to the wiki or the members mailing list. Like
David suggested, limiting this access to voting members would
be an option.

The board will put together a FAQ to address such questions
regarding the new membership model.

-- 
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From mal at egenix.com  Fri Feb 21 20:21:01 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:21:01 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Help with porting content: need some basic
	documentation
Message-ID: <5307A71D.9070401@egenix.com>

Several pages on the new website are lacking images and the menus
don't like to all the ported pages.

Could someone please provide information on:

 * where to place images for pages

 * how to adjust the menus to include the ported, but not yet
   linked pages ?

Thanks,
-- 
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eGenix.com

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From brian at python.org  Fri Feb 21 20:29:46 2014
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:29:46 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Help with porting content: need some basic
	documentation
In-Reply-To: <5307A71D.9070401@egenix.com>
References: <5307A71D.9070401@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqdPAszoF=c46yWUA9e7Db4X-HEf2uxchArJ6AFoFQQ+g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:21 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> Several pages on the new website are lacking images and the menus
> don't like to all the ported pages.
>
> Could someone please provide information on:
>
>  * where to place images for pages
>
>  * how to adjust the menus to include the ported, but not yet
>    linked pages ?

I asked about the images, so I'm not sure myself.

As for adjusting menus, they're set within the sitetree on the admin.
I guess you need to be careful, though, because some menus link
directly to pages, and some are apparently "apps". I dont really know
anything about Django, but I screwed up the success stories by not
knowing this difference...or something like that.

From mal at egenix.com  Sat Feb 22 14:45:49 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:45:49 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Help with porting content: need some basic
	documentation
In-Reply-To: <CAD+XWwqdPAszoF=c46yWUA9e7Db4X-HEf2uxchArJ6AFoFQQ+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5307A71D.9070401@egenix.com>
 <CAD+XWwqdPAszoF=c46yWUA9e7Db4X-HEf2uxchArJ6AFoFQQ+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5308AA0D.6070404@egenix.com>

On 21.02.2014 20:29, Brian Curtin wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:21 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>> Several pages on the new website are lacking images and the menus
>> don't like to all the ported pages.
>>
>> Could someone please provide information on:
>>
>>  * where to place images for pages
>>
>>  * how to adjust the menus to include the ported, but not yet
>>    linked pages ?
> 
> I asked about the images, so I'm not sure myself.

Thanks. I suppose they have to go into the repo, rather than be
added through the Django admin:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/tree/master/static

While this is a common approach, it is also somewhat cumbersome
when adding new content with embedded images.

> As for adjusting menus, they're set within the sitetree on the admin.
> I guess you need to be careful, though, because some menus link
> directly to pages, and some are apparently "apps". I dont really know
> anything about Django, but I screwed up the success stories by not
> knowing this difference...or something like that.

Ok, I found that entry in the admin. Apparently changes to the
sitetree take a longer while to actually make it through to
the site. Looks like there's some heavy caching going on.

There is indeed a lot of generating going on on the site. The
templates for those generated pages can be found in the repo
as well:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/tree/master/templates

I guess to be fully productive in maintaining the site, we'll
need to give more people access to the repo.

-- 
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 14:38:18 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:38:18 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] The PSF wiki
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:09 PM, David Goodger <goodger at python.org> wrote:
> On 20 February 2014 12:52, Noah Kantrowitz <noah at coderanger.net> wrote:
>> Now that the PSF is an open-membership organization, is there any objection
>> to making the PSF wiki open access as well? Seems a bit silly to say
>> "members only" when anyone can be a member.
>
> Yes, I object. If you look at https://wiki.python.org/psf/FrontPage,
> the purpose of the wiki is spelled out at the bottom:
>
> """
> The purpose of this wiki is as a private space for collaborative editing:

Just use Google Docs. It is also private and incurs less overhead on
volunteers.

> AFAIK, all of these are still useful. And even if not, these were the
> rules in place when the existing pages were added, and opening them up
> wholesale could expose details that shouldn't be made public.

I can hardly name this type of organization open and have no interest
in supporting it if that matters.

> The PSF may have open membership now, but I expect that the majority
> of new members will be Basic Members without voting rights. I suggest
> that the purpose of the Private PSF Wiki be re-stated as accessible to
> "voting members of the PSF".

Some kind of ill democracy. Why a person from Belarus teaching the
proud Americans these lessons?

> If we want to have a normally-open wiki for the PSF, I recommend
> making a new one, and selectively moving pages over from the old one.
> I think you'll find there's plenty that ought not to be made open.

FWIW I want it for the same reasons I want to get rid of pydotorg-www,

And there is no privacy in this world - you know that. It is only a matter
of time when this private matters will become available to public.

From rosuav at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 15:25:14 2014
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 01:25:14 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] The PSF wiki
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The PSF may have open membership now, but I expect that the majority
>> of new members will be Basic Members without voting rights. I suggest
>> that the purpose of the Private PSF Wiki be re-stated as accessible to
>> "voting members of the PSF".
>
> Some kind of ill democracy. Why a person from Belarus teaching the
> proud Americans these lessons?

In what way is the PSF supposed to be a democracy anyway? I seem to
have missed a memo somewhere.

ChrisA

From ralf.gommers at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 17:28:42 2014
From: ralf.gommers at gmail.com (Ralf Gommers)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:28:42 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
Message-ID: <CABL7CQjppBq-=nD5uY+D0usn6zDBZDo5hAuGpEW_0HvRuExc0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On http://python.org/community/workshops/ the EuroScipy conference link is
broken, it should be https://www.euroscipy.org/.

Also there's a yellow Feedback button on the right side of that page that
doesn't do anything when I click on it (Firefox 27.0 on up-to-date Ubuntu).

New site looks fantastic by the way!

Best regards,
Ralf
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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Feb 24 17:29:12 2014
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:29:12 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
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Hey Ralf,

I've forwarded this to the redesign team. I'm not yet sure if anyone on this list is able to do site updates!

All the best,

Michael Foord

On 23 Feb 2014, at 16:28, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On http://python.org/community/workshops/ the EuroScipy conference link is broken, it should be https://www.euroscipy.org/. 
> 
> Also there's a yellow Feedback button on the right side of that page that doesn't do anything when I click on it (Firefox 27.0 on up-to-date Ubuntu).
> 
> New site looks fantastic by the way!
> 
> Best regards,
> Ralf
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


--
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/


May you do good and not evil
May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
-- the sqlite blessing 
http://www.sqlite.org/different.html






From mal at python.org  Mon Feb 24 18:03:18 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:03:18 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
In-Reply-To: <1D906ABF-54FF-49EC-8A08-05E522E7C6FE@voidspace.org.uk>
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On 24.02.2014 17:29, Michael Foord wrote:
> Hey Ralf,
> 
> I've forwarded this to the redesign team. I'm not yet sure if anyone on this list is able to do site updates!

Fixed.

If possible, please submit such change requests via the Github tracker at:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues

> All the best,
> 
> Michael Foord
> 
> On 23 Feb 2014, at 16:28, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> On http://python.org/community/workshops/ the EuroScipy conference link is broken, it should be https://www.euroscipy.org/. 
>>
>> Also there's a yellow Feedback button on the right side of that page that doesn't do anything when I click on it (Firefox 27.0 on up-to-date Ubuntu).
>>
>> New site looks fantastic by the way!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Ralf
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> pydotorg-www mailing list
>> pydotorg-www at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 
> 
> --
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> 
> 
> May you do good and not evil
> May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> -- the sqlite blessing 
> http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From ralf.gommers at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 21:09:44 2014
From: ralf.gommers at gmail.com (Ralf Gommers)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:09:44 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
In-Reply-To: <530B7B56.6040606@python.org>
References: <CABL7CQjppBq-=nD5uY+D0usn6zDBZDo5hAuGpEW_0HvRuExc0w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:

> On 24.02.2014 17:29, Michael Foord wrote:
> > Hey Ralf,
> >
> > I've forwarded this to the redesign team. I'm not yet sure if anyone on
> this list is able to do site updates!
>
> Fixed.
>
> If possible, please submit such change requests via the Github tracker at:
>
> https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues
>

Thanks Marc-Andre. I'll do that next time. You may want to link that
tracker somewhere on python.org if that's where you prefer to get issue
reports - I didn't find it and googling "
https://github.com/python/pythondotorg site:python.org" comes up empty.

Best regards,
Ralf



>
> > All the best,
> >
> > Michael Foord
> >
> > On 23 Feb 2014, at 16:28, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On http://python.org/community/workshops/ the EuroScipy conference
> link is broken, it should be https://www.euroscipy.org/.
> >>
> >> Also there's a yellow Feedback button on the right side of that page
> that doesn't do anything when I click on it (Firefox 27.0 on up-to-date
> Ubuntu).
> >>
> >> New site looks fantastic by the way!
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Ralf
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> pydotorg-www mailing list
> >> pydotorg-www at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/
> >
> >
> > May you do good and not evil
> > May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others
> > May you share freely, never taking more than you give.
> > -- the sqlite blessing
> > http://www.sqlite.org/different.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> Director
> Python Software Foundation
> http://www.python.org/psf/
>
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From goodger at python.org  Mon Feb 24 21:53:44 2014
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:53:44 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
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On 24 February 2014 14:09, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 24.02.2014 17:29, Michael Foord wrote:
>> > Hey Ralf,
>> >
>> > I've forwarded this to the redesign team. I'm not yet sure if anyone on
>> > this list is able to do site updates!
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>> If possible, please submit such change requests via the Github tracker at:
>>
>> https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues
>
>
> Thanks Marc-Andre. I'll do that next time. You may want to link that tracker
> somewhere on python.org if that's where you prefer to get issue reports

Yes, perhaps replacing http://www.python.org/#feedback_form (at the
bottom of every page on the new site).

BTW, where do submissions via that form go?

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From mal at python.org  Mon Feb 24 21:56:42 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:56:42 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
In-Reply-To: <CABiJP=+bn+CYyA=dojNx=mqpGDNeoV5fWw1HR59ue5vSiFrZ6A@mail.gmail.com>
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On 24.02.2014 21:53, David Goodger wrote:
> On 24 February 2014 14:09, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 24.02.2014 17:29, Michael Foord wrote:
>>>> Hey Ralf,
>>>>
>>>> I've forwarded this to the redesign team. I'm not yet sure if anyone on
>>>> this list is able to do site updates!
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>> If possible, please submit such change requests via the Github tracker at:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues
>>
>>
>> Thanks Marc-Andre. I'll do that next time. You may want to link that tracker
>> somewhere on python.org if that's where you prefer to get issue reports
> 
> Yes, perhaps replacing http://www.python.org/#feedback_form (at the
> bottom of every page on the new site).
> 
> BTW, where do submissions via that form go?

No one appears to know :-)

I've opened a ticket for the tracker link:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues/189

Also see: https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues/65

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From brian at python.org  Mon Feb 24 22:00:36 2014
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:00:36 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
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On Feb 24, 2014 2:55 PM, "David Goodger" <goodger at python.org> wrote:
>
> On 24 February 2014 14:09, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 24.02.2014 17:29, Michael Foord wrote:
> >> > Hey Ralf,
> >> >
> >> > I've forwarded this to the redesign team. I'm not yet sure if anyone
on
> >> > this list is able to do site updates!
> >>
> >> Fixed.
> >>
> >> If possible, please submit such change requests via the Github tracker
at:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues
> >
> >
> > Thanks Marc-Andre. I'll do that next time. You may want to link that
tracker
> > somewhere on python.org if that's where you prefer to get issue reports
>
> Yes, perhaps replacing http://www.python.org/#feedback_form (at the
> bottom of every page on the new site).
>
> BTW, where do submissions via that form go?

They're in the "feedbacks" app within the Django Admin for now.
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From mal at python.org  Mon Feb 24 22:04:01 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:04:01 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
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On 24.02.2014 22:00, Brian Curtin wrote:
> On Feb 24, 2014 2:55 PM, "David Goodger" <goodger at python.org> wrote:
>> Yes, perhaps replacing http://www.python.org/#feedback_form (at the
>> bottom of every page on the new site).
>>
>> BTW, where do submissions via that form go?
> 
> They're in the "feedbacks" app within the Django Admin for now.

Oh dear... the table for that app has 16107 entries :-(

http://www.python.org/admin/feedbacks/feedback/

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From brian at python.org  Mon Feb 24 22:07:43 2014
From: brian at python.org (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:07:43 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
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On Feb 24, 2014 3:04 PM, "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at python.org> wrote:
>
> On 24.02.2014 22:00, Brian Curtin wrote:
> > On Feb 24, 2014 2:55 PM, "David Goodger" <goodger at python.org> wrote:
> >> Yes, perhaps replacing http://www.python.org/#feedback_form (at the
> >> bottom of every page on the new site).
> >>
> >> BTW, where do submissions via that form go?
> >
> > They're in the "feedbacks" app within the Django Admin for now.
>
> Oh dear... the table for that app has 16107 entries :-(
>
> http://www.python.org/admin/feedbacks/feedback/

Yep, I mentioned before launch that there were about 6,000 spam entries and
that clearly goy worse. I'm not sure how we're going to pull out any of the
legitimate ones.
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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Feb 24 22:24:53 2014
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:24:53 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] broken link and button
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On 24.02.2014 22:07, Brian Curtin wrote:
> On Feb 24, 2014 3:04 PM, "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 24.02.2014 22:00, Brian Curtin wrote:
>>> On Feb 24, 2014 2:55 PM, "David Goodger" <goodger at python.org> wrote:
>>>> Yes, perhaps replacing http://www.python.org/#feedback_form (at the
>>>> bottom of every page on the new site).
>>>>
>>>> BTW, where do submissions via that form go?
>>>
>>> They're in the "feedbacks" app within the Django Admin for now.
>>
>> Oh dear... the table for that app has 16107 entries :-(
>>
>> http://www.python.org/admin/feedbacks/feedback/
> 
> Yep, I mentioned before launch that there were about 6,000 spam entries and
> that clearly goy worse. I'm not sure how we're going to pull out any of the
> legitimate ones.

We could use a spambayes style filter to find the good ones, but it's
going to be a lot of work.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
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From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 09:02:03 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:02:03 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Running polls on a new site
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>

How to run a poll on a new site?

-- 
anatoly t.

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 09:03:18 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:03:18 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] How to add user group event?
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xJcpCdk=1LkYBFXaiH-vkti-D9B03ma_HJKh-vpM==PLQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.python.org/events/python-user-group/

There is no link how to add event.

-- 
anatoly t.

From mal at python.org  Wed Feb 26 09:58:05 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:58:05 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] How to add user group event?
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xJcpCdk=1LkYBFXaiH-vkti-D9B03ma_HJKh-vpM==PLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xJcpCdk=1LkYBFXaiH-vkti-D9B03ma_HJKh-vpM==PLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DAC9D.3020304@python.org>

On 26.02.2014 09:03, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> http://www.python.org/events/python-user-group/
> 
> There is no link how to add event.

Please follow the instructions here:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar#Submitting_an_Event

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From mal at python.org  Wed Feb 26 10:14:45 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:14:45 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Running polls on a new site
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DB085.1070809@python.org>

On 26.02.2014 09:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> How to run a poll on a new site?

AFAIK, this is not possible.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 10:43:29 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:43:29 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Running polls on a new site
In-Reply-To: <530DB085.1070809@python.org>
References: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>
 <530DB085.1070809@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xLNsrOg9Qb7AtT7cpUnV9yAytLcdm_e4V16Uq3Ba8DRqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
> On 26.02.2014 09:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> How to run a poll on a new site?
>
> AFAIK, this is not possible.

=(

I thought it was in initial plan. Where is the plan anyways?
-- 
anatoly t.

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 10:44:16 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:44:16 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] How to add user group event?
In-Reply-To: <530DAC9D.3020304@python.org>
References: <CAPkN8xJcpCdk=1LkYBFXaiH-vkti-D9B03ma_HJKh-vpM==PLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <530DAC9D.3020304@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xJbs0r=mK5y+gayGUsBQUeD3T-eySUhegd_DSE=AS6GmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
> On 26.02.2014 09:03, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> http://www.python.org/events/python-user-group/
>>
>> There is no link how to add event.
>
> Please follow the instructions here:
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar#Submitting_an_Event

Thanks. Shouldn't this info be on the site?
-- 
anatoly t.

From mal at python.org  Wed Feb 26 11:51:15 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:51:15 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] How to add user group event?
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xJbs0r=mK5y+gayGUsBQUeD3T-eySUhegd_DSE=AS6GmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xJcpCdk=1LkYBFXaiH-vkti-D9B03ma_HJKh-vpM==PLQ@mail.gmail.com>	<530DAC9D.3020304@python.org>
 <CAPkN8xJbs0r=mK5y+gayGUsBQUeD3T-eySUhegd_DSE=AS6GmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DC723.3050800@python.org>

On 26.02.2014 10:44, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>> On 26.02.2014 09:03, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> http://www.python.org/events/python-user-group/
>>>
>>> There is no link how to add event.
>>
>> Please follow the instructions here:
>>
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar#Submitting_an_Event
> 
> Thanks. Shouldn't this info be on the site?

I've added a menu entry to the "events" menu. The link was on the
old site, but the new site is still undergoing a lot of changes and
not everything has been ported yet.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From mal at python.org  Wed Feb 26 12:01:01 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:01:01 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Running polls on a new site
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xLNsrOg9Qb7AtT7cpUnV9yAytLcdm_e4V16Uq3Ba8DRqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>	<530DB085.1070809@python.org>
 <CAPkN8xLNsrOg9Qb7AtT7cpUnV9yAytLcdm_e4V16Uq3Ba8DRqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DC96D.3040301@python.org>

On 26.02.2014 10:43, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>> On 26.02.2014 09:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> How to run a poll on a new site?
>>
>> AFAIK, this is not possible.
> 
> =(
> 
> I thought it was in initial plan. Where is the plan anyways?

This is the RFP:

http://pythonorg-redesign.readthedocs.org/en/latest/

Not all of those requirements have actually been implemented yet,
but we'll get there over time.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 12:16:20 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:16:20 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Running polls on a new site
In-Reply-To: <530DC96D.3040301@python.org>
References: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>
 <530DB085.1070809@python.org>
 <CAPkN8xLNsrOg9Qb7AtT7cpUnV9yAytLcdm_e4V16Uq3Ba8DRqg@mail.gmail.com>
 <530DC96D.3040301@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAPkN8x+pk-YqVndnHeGpnTsvocCTiuKw7PfQw3B5AU2pfkGwfA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:01 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
> On 26.02.2014 10:43, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>> On 26.02.2014 09:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>>> How to run a poll on a new site?
>>>
>>> AFAIK, this is not possible.
>>
>> =(
>>
>> I thought it was in initial plan. Where is the plan anyways?
>
> This is the RFP:
>
> http://pythonorg-redesign.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>
> Not all of those requirements have actually been implemented yet,
> but we'll get there over time.

The page looks is a little outdated. Well, no surprise here - all
initial plans usually divert from final version, and sometimes
completely. I don't see polls there in the proposal. Is there more
current status page / roadmap for the project to check? Maybe with a
history of previous iterations? I'd like see if it is possible to
speed up the progress on some parts.
process.
-- 
anatoly t.

From mal at python.org  Wed Feb 26 12:25:01 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:25:01 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Running polls on a new site
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8x+pk-YqVndnHeGpnTsvocCTiuKw7PfQw3B5AU2pfkGwfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>	<530DB085.1070809@python.org>	<CAPkN8xLNsrOg9Qb7AtT7cpUnV9yAytLcdm_e4V16Uq3Ba8DRqg@mail.gmail.com>	<530DC96D.3040301@python.org>
 <CAPkN8x+pk-YqVndnHeGpnTsvocCTiuKw7PfQw3B5AU2pfkGwfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DCF0D.4060609@python.org>

On 26.02.2014 12:16, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:01 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>> On 26.02.2014 10:43, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>>> On 26.02.2014 09:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>>>> How to run a poll on a new site?
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, this is not possible.
>>>
>>> =(
>>>
>>> I thought it was in initial plan. Where is the plan anyways?
>>
>> This is the RFP:
>>
>> http://pythonorg-redesign.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>>
>> Not all of those requirements have actually been implemented yet,
>> but we'll get there over time.
> 
> The page looks is a little outdated. Well, no surprise here - all
> initial plans usually divert from final version, and sometimes
> completely. I don't see polls there in the proposal. Is there more
> current status page / roadmap for the project to check? Maybe with a
> history of previous iterations? I'd like see if it is possible to
> speed up the progress on some parts.
> process.

You can check the site code base:

https://github.com/python/pythondotorg

and submit pull requests. At the moment things are very much in flux
and the site gets better every day.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 12:26:47 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:26:47 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Buggy cache (was:  How to add user group event?)
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xK=y01v1QneTE5T2RCn+M9KEajn6C_UTLf_SvukRYs1cw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>
> I've added a menu entry to the "events" menu. The link was on the
> old site, but the new site is still undergoing a lot of changes and
> not everything has been ported yet.

Great. But there is a bug with cache. Sometimes menu is there and sometimes
is not. I am pretty sure it is not my browser. If one cache catches
invalidation event (or generates by comparing new contents) - that
event should be propagated to all other instances. How is the cache
implemented?
-- 
anatoly t.

From mal at python.org  Wed Feb 26 12:29:20 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:29:20 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Buggy cache (was: How to add user group event?)
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xK=y01v1QneTE5T2RCn+M9KEajn6C_UTLf_SvukRYs1cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xK=y01v1QneTE5T2RCn+M9KEajn6C_UTLf_SvukRYs1cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DD010.3010104@python.org>

On 26.02.2014 12:26, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> I've added a menu entry to the "events" menu. The link was on the
>> old site, but the new site is still undergoing a lot of changes and
>> not everything has been ported yet.
> 
> Great. But there is a bug with cache. Sometimes menu is there and sometimes
> is not. I am pretty sure it is not my browser. If one cache catches
> invalidation event (or generates by comparing new contents) - that
> event should be propagated to all other instances. How is the cache
> implemented?

No idea. This is a known effect, though. It takes several hours to
have changes propagate through all caches/CDNs.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 12:32:25 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:32:25 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Even menu usability (was: How to add user group
	event?)
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xLRXVBOmZHsxE_qb5+BN8bYchF6fGxMT=yt736a1+r6wQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
> On 26.02.2014 10:44, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>> On 26.02.2014 09:03, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>>> http://www.python.org/events/python-user-group/
>>>>
>>>> There is no link how to add event.
>>>
>>> Please follow the instructions here:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar#Submitting_an_Event
>>
>> Thanks. Shouldn't this info be on the site?
>
> I've added a menu entry to the "events" menu. The link was on the
> old site, but the new site is still undergoing a lot of changes and
> not everything has been ported yet.

About the events menu navigation. I find it confusing. Most users
(i.e. me) don't need "Python Events" and "Past Python Events" in the
main menu. This secondary info can be moved to specific event series
page (and called Python Events Archive) to de-clutter the nav. It is
rather obvious to look for it there.
-- 
anatoly t.

From mal at python.org  Wed Feb 26 12:40:31 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:40:31 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Even menu usability (was: How to add user group
 event?)
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xLRXVBOmZHsxE_qb5+BN8bYchF6fGxMT=yt736a1+r6wQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xLRXVBOmZHsxE_qb5+BN8bYchF6fGxMT=yt736a1+r6wQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DD2AF.1040309@python.org>

On 26.02.2014 12:32, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>> On 26.02.2014 10:44, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>>> On 26.02.2014 09:03, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>>>> http://www.python.org/events/python-user-group/
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no link how to add event.
>>>>
>>>> Please follow the instructions here:
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar#Submitting_an_Event
>>>
>>> Thanks. Shouldn't this info be on the site?
>>
>> I've added a menu entry to the "events" menu. The link was on the
>> old site, but the new site is still undergoing a lot of changes and
>> not everything has been ported yet.
> 
> About the events menu navigation. I find it confusing. Most users
> (i.e. me) don't need "Python Events" and "Past Python Events" in the
> main menu. This secondary info can be moved to specific event series
> page (and called Python Events Archive) to de-clutter the nav. It is
> rather obvious to look for it there.

Using "Archive" instead of "Past" is a good idea. I'm not sure
I understand your other suggestions.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 13:39:38 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:39:38 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Running polls on a new site
In-Reply-To: <530DCF0D.4060609@python.org>
References: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>
 <530DB085.1070809@python.org>
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Message-ID: <CAPkN8xLHjMJ5+ROwBaaoEAoTUVY_hxfhcVs8UXUd1+T25YcTow@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:25 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
> On 26.02.2014 12:16, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:01 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>> On 26.02.2014 10:43, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 26.02.2014 09:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>>>>> How to run a poll on a new site?
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK, this is not possible.
>>>>
>>>> =(
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was in initial plan. Where is the plan anyways?
>>>
>>> This is the RFP:
>>>
>>> http://pythonorg-redesign.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>>>
>>> Not all of those requirements have actually been implemented yet,
>>> but we'll get there over time.
>>
>> The page looks is a little outdated. Well, no surprise here - all
>> initial plans usually divert from final version, and sometimes
>> completely. I don't see polls there in the proposal. Is there more
>> current status page / roadmap for the project to check? Maybe with a
>> history of previous iterations? I'd like see if it is possible to
>> speed up the progress on some parts.
>> process.
>
> You can check the site code base:
>
> https://github.com/python/pythondotorg
>
> and submit pull requests. At the moment things are very much in flux
> and the site gets better every day.

Thanks for the heads up. I am not yet ready to load yet another
codebase that I can not reuse to my brain, but it is useful. Are there
any chances to link to the source code from the bottom of the site?
-- 
anatoly t.

From techtonik at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 14:00:46 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:00:46 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Running polls on a new site
In-Reply-To: <CAPkN8xLHjMJ5+ROwBaaoEAoTUVY_hxfhcVs8UXUd1+T25YcTow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPkN8xK_5AyMwj9yWOodASafD0iDPHTmgkY4LneL7C4b7sFE+g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:39 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:25 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>> On 26.02.2014 12:16, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:01 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>>> On 26.02.2014 10:43, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 26.02.2014 09:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>>>>>> How to run a poll on a new site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AFAIK, this is not possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> =(
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was in initial plan. Where is the plan anyways?
>>>>
>>>> This is the RFP:
>>>>
>>>> http://pythonorg-redesign.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>>>>
>>>> Not all of those requirements have actually been implemented yet,
>>>> but we'll get there over time.
>>>
>>> The page looks is a little outdated. Well, no surprise here - all
>>> initial plans usually divert from final version, and sometimes
>>> completely. I don't see polls there in the proposal. Is there more
>>> current status page / roadmap for the project to check? Maybe with a
>>> history of previous iterations? I'd like see if it is possible to
>>> speed up the progress on some parts.
>>> process.
>>
>> You can check the site code base:
>>
>> https://github.com/python/pythondotorg
>>
>> and submit pull requests. At the moment things are very much in flux
>> and the site gets better every day.
>
> Thanks for the heads up. I am not yet ready to load yet another
> codebase that I can not reuse to my brain, but it is useful. Are there
> any chances to link to the source code from the bottom of the site?

Opened https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues/209
and also sent a request to add project to open hatch.

-- 
anatoly t.

From techtonik at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 09:23:17 2014
From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:23:17 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki search is inefficient - is it possible to
	replace it with something?
Message-ID: <CAPkN8xL1LszqghHqVK+k7+afa_H8t0VbxO9Bimvd0D9AdpzRbg@mail.gmail.com>

Search for "wart" of "critics" doesn't bring the necessary page, which
shows up only by "warts" or "criticised". I'd say that search is 50%
broken.

-- 
anatoly t.