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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 04:07:18 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?q?Does_Your_Business_Need_a_Lifeline=3F?=
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From legonigel at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 14:36:31 2017
From: legonigel at gmail.com (Nigel Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:36:31 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access
Message-ID: <CAKwuUGU0wTczvaNKLae5h+cgLpWziORirYWhY429U4B2_BzwyA@mail.gmail.com>

I would like edit access to the wiki to update the
PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page
<https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy>,
specifically some of the broken links.

username:NigelArmstrong

Thanks,

-Nigel

From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 14:40:42 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 04:40:42 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access
In-Reply-To: <CAKwuUGU0wTczvaNKLae5h+cgLpWziORirYWhY429U4B2_BzwyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKwuUGU0wTczvaNKLae5h+cgLpWziORirYWhY429U4B2_BzwyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmq_OOUy9Y7jd8tGh1vrpNrwEWZBU88_NopqPS1GMABn1g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:36 AM, Nigel Armstrong <legonigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like edit access to the wiki to update the
> PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page
> <https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy>,
> specifically some of the broken links.
>
> username:NigelArmstrong

That kind of work is always appreciated. Thank you. I've made you an editor.

ChrisA

From john at johnpatrick.com  Sun Jun  4 12:09:19 2017
From: john at johnpatrick.com (John Patrick)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:09:19 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Starting a new page with a question
Message-ID: <CAA+LXrEAtp4w_yLNEQkdBBpU6h-cn8LW1556Q+nG0u5=A_6xYQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am a newbie and want to ask a question about how to write a short python
script. I don't see how to create a new page for this. My username is
JohnPatrick. Thanks.

John Patrick
johnpatrick.com
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From mats at wichmann.us  Sun Jun  4 12:43:07 2017
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:43:07 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Starting a new page with a question
In-Reply-To: <CAA+LXrEAtp4w_yLNEQkdBBpU6h-cn8LW1556Q+nG0u5=A_6xYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA+LXrEAtp4w_yLNEQkdBBpU6h-cn8LW1556Q+nG0u5=A_6xYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d4ef6fa-5b3f-310d-10ac-ea028660352d@wichmann.us>

On 06/04/2017 10:09 AM, John Patrick wrote:
> I am a newbie and want to ask a question about how to write a short python
> script. I don't see how to create a new page for this. My username is
> JohnPatrick. Thanks.

If your objective is to ask a question and get some possible answers,
you might try the tutor mailing list.  Not sure how effective a wiki
page is at generating feedback.  On the other hand, if you are seeking
to document your voyage of discovery about this question, it might make
more sense.



From dsagal at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 12:35:55 2017
From: dsagal at gmail.com (Dmitry Sagalovskiy)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:35:55 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Proposed edits from new user
Message-ID: <CAF2Jo6pacNEBPpgeFistGrCs2EJos_jUv=6BR6_K2csWb2nKHA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear admins,

I created a new account, user name "DmitryS". I'd like to add information
to a couple of pages related to Python sandboxing efforts about a relevant
project.

To https://wiki.python.org/moin/SandboxedPython, I would like to edit
Reactions to add my comment:

We created a project https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox to run Python in a
> NativeClient OS-level sandbox. It makes it easy to install (root not
> required), works cross-platform, supports native modules, and allows
> configuring read/write access to specific directories to serve as the
> in-sandbox filesystem root. We use it at Grist Labs, but would love to know
> if there is wider interest and to get feedback.
>

And to here:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/Asking%20for%20Help/How%20can%20I%20run%20an%20untrusted%20Python%20script%20safely%20%28i.e.%20Sandbox%29

I suggest using https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox, Python in a NativeClient
> (NaCL) sandbox. NaCL is the best project I know of to run native code in a
> sandbox, which is what the question is asking for. We created Pynbox to
> make it easy to install and run Python under NaCL, including ability to use
> native modules. Building new native modules is more involved, but there are
> instructions and an example.
>

Thank you!

Dmitry
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue Jun  6 15:13:41 2017
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:13:41 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Proposed edits from new user
In-Reply-To: <CAF2Jo6pacNEBPpgeFistGrCs2EJos_jUv=6BR6_K2csWb2nKHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF2Jo6pacNEBPpgeFistGrCs2EJos_jUv=6BR6_K2csWb2nKHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b064f51f-e884-101b-3d5e-c42313710985@egenix.com>

Nice. I made you an editor now. Happy editing !

On 06.06.2017 18:35, Dmitry Sagalovskiy wrote:
> Dear admins,
> 
> I created a new account, user name "DmitryS". I'd like to add
> information to a couple of pages related to Python sandboxing efforts
> about a relevant project.
> 
> To https://wiki.python.org/moin/SandboxedPython, I would like to edit
> Reactions to add my comment:
> 
>     We created a project https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox to run Python
>     in a NativeClient OS-level sandbox. It makes it easy to install
>     (root not required), works cross-platform, supports native modules,
>     and allows configuring read/write access to specific directories to
>     serve as the in-sandbox filesystem root. We use it at Grist Labs,
>     but would love to know if there is wider interest and to get feedback.
> 
> 
> And to here:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Asking%20for%20Help/How%20can%20I%20run%20an%20untrusted%20Python%20script%20safely%20%28i.e.%20Sandbox%29
> 
>     I suggest using https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox, Python in a
>     NativeClient (NaCL) sandbox. NaCL is the best project I know of to
>     run native code in a sandbox, which is what the question is asking
>     for. We created Pynbox to make it easy to install and run Python
>     under NaCL, including ability to use native modules. Building new
>     native modules is more involved, but there are instructions and an
>     example.
> 
>  
> Thank you!
> 
> Dmitry
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 

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From dsagal at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 17:26:31 2017
From: dsagal at gmail.com (Dmitry Sagalovskiy)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 17:26:31 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Proposed edits from new user
In-Reply-To: <b064f51f-e884-101b-3d5e-c42313710985@egenix.com>
References: <CAF2Jo6pacNEBPpgeFistGrCs2EJos_jUv=6BR6_K2csWb2nKHA@mail.gmail.com>
 <b064f51f-e884-101b-3d5e-c42313710985@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <CAF2Jo6qM4aEYTp_D=p3KwzeFo3tC9zMMEoYL_20rBHwszQ4f4g@mail.gmail.com>

Cool, thank you!

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 3:13 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> Nice. I made you an editor now. Happy editing !
>
> On 06.06.2017 18:35, Dmitry Sagalovskiy wrote:
> > Dear admins,
> >
> > I created a new account, user name "DmitryS". I'd like to add
> > information to a couple of pages related to Python sandboxing efforts
> > about a relevant project.
> >
> > To https://wiki.python.org/moin/SandboxedPython, I would like to edit
> > Reactions to add my comment:
> >
> >     We created a project https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox to run Python
> >     in a NativeClient OS-level sandbox. It makes it easy to install
> >     (root not required), works cross-platform, supports native modules,
> >     and allows configuring read/write access to specific directories to
> >     serve as the in-sandbox filesystem root. We use it at Grist Labs,
> >     but would love to know if there is wider interest and to get
> feedback.
> >
> >
> > And to here:
> > https://wiki.python.org/moin/Asking%20for%20Help/How%20can%
> 20I%20run%20an%20untrusted%20Python%20script%20safely%20%
> 28i.e.%20Sandbox%29
> >
> >     I suggest using https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox, Python in a
> >     NativeClient (NaCL) sandbox. NaCL is the best project I know of to
> >     run native code in a sandbox, which is what the question is asking
> >     for. We created Pynbox to make it easy to install and run Python
> >     under NaCL, including ability to use native modules. Building new
> >     native modules is more involved, but there are instructions and an
> >     example.
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Dmitry
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> eGenix.com
>
> Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jun 06 2017)
> >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ...  http://www.egenix.com/
> >>> Python Database Interfaces ...           http://products.egenix.com/
> >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ...           http://zope.egenix.com/
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs :::
>
>    eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH  Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
>     D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
>            Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
>                http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/
>                       http://www.malemburg.com/
>
>
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From: apply at ebusinessloan.com.au (eBusiness Loan)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 17:52:32 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Grow your business with access to extra finance
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From arsamnowdararpour at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 09:19:03 2017
From: arsamnowdararpour at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?2KLYsdiz2KfZhQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 17:49:03 +0430
Subject: [pydotorg-www] dddd
Message-ID: <CAH9ScBpAwyYUenWPNufe70M6Y2tx9Ec6UiXW39nfFMqK1JO7-Q@mail.gmail.com>

ddd
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From glassinsulation03 at att.net  Wed Jun  7 06:03:28 2017
From: glassinsulation03 at att.net (Jason Roberts)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 05:03:28 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Window Insulation - Solar Shades
Message-ID: <87A2FE924435369555595E92449A318F303AFA1B@SYLVIAANNROBERT>

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From steve at holdenweb.com  Sat Jun 10 06:35:50 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:35:50 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Broken link
In-Reply-To: <8750892.or_mail@teamwiht.com>
References: <8750892.or_mail@teamwiht.com>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRCQCOJUN01h0ODvUQYyHsOub_kQG_PRrVu6LFgo3-yFrA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Laura, we'll see about fixing that - and good luck with the IC
guide, which might be a suitable replacement.  S

Steve Holden

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Laura Romano <laura at teamwiht.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was on this page of your site recently - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/
> irc, when I noticed that one of the resources you mentioned isn't online.
> Here is the dead page - http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/, 'IRC
> specifications'.
>
> I found it whilst doing some research for our ultimate guide to Internet
> Chat Relay (IRC) which has just been published and might make a good
> replacement if you are updating the page.
>
> Here's the link - http://wiht.link/IRC-tutorial.
>
> Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help.
>
> Best,
> Laura
>
>
> If you'd rather not hear from us in future, please reply with unsubscribe
> in the subject line.
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From mats at wichmann.us  Sat Jun 10 10:34:58 2017
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 08:34:58 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Broken link
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRCQCOJUN01h0ODvUQYyHsOub_kQG_PRrVu6LFgo3-yFrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8750892.or_mail@teamwiht.com>
 <CAMofdRCQCOJUN01h0ODvUQYyHsOub_kQG_PRrVu6LFgo3-yFrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1015a0aa-8c95-03b5-e2e1-527292815a2c@wichmann.us>

minus OP

On 06/10/2017 04:35 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
> Thanks, Laura, we'll see about fixing that - and good luck with the IC
> guide, which might be a suitable replacement.  S
> 
> Steve Holden

We've gotten these kinds of emails before, not sure we ought to agree to
drive traffic their way (although to be honest it's probably nearly zero
traffic).

This all seems out of our hands anyway... there's a broken link on
irchelp.org, which is pointed to by the PyPi entry for the irc package,
which if it wants to reference the IRC RFC it should just do so directly
(e.g. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459)... so it's not even the PyPi
site content itself, but contributed package-specific content....


> 
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Laura Romano <laura at teamwiht.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was on this page of your site recently - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/
>> irc, when I noticed that one of the resources you mentioned isn't online.
>> Here is the dead page - http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/, 'IRC
>> specifications'.

From regal2u at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 19:43:12 2017
From: regal2u at gmail.com (Hua Tian)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 07:43:12 +0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki
Message-ID: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>

hi host master,

I have registered on request to add my name - HuaTian on
https://wiki.python.org/moin/EditorsGroup

Thanks a lot!

-- 
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 00:25:05 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:25:05 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Hua Tian <regal2u at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi host master,
>
> I have registered on request to add my name - HuaTian on
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/EditorsGroup
>
> Thanks a lot!

Hi! What are you planning to change on the home page? Or is it on some
other page (which?)?

ChrisA

From regal2u at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 07:39:40 2017
From: regal2u at gmail.com (Hua Tian)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 19:39:40 +0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHyoTNm25m4jimGhKHf9xVeG_DDBxRXQXhsJfRMeha_6qQnRNg@mail.gmail.com>

hi Chris,

thanks for your quick reply!
I only try to create https://wiki.python.org/moin/HuaTian , actually I'm
setting moinmoin for myself site http://wiki.nanjinglug.org/Main  , but
it's suffered spamming by robots, so I need strengthen the registration and
editing policy, then I hope I could learn from your site. :)

Regards, Hua

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Hua Tian <regal2u at gmail.com> wrote:
> > hi host master,
> >
> > I have registered on request to add my name - HuaTian on
> > https://wiki.python.org/moin/EditorsGroup
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
>
> Hi! What are you planning to change on the home page? Or is it on some
> other page (which?)?
>
> ChrisA
>



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From rosuav at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 07:43:16 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 21:43:16 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAHyoTNm25m4jimGhKHf9xVeG_DDBxRXQXhsJfRMeha_6qQnRNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHyoTNm25m4jimGhKHf9xVeG_DDBxRXQXhsJfRMeha_6qQnRNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmozKZaLgSaLWTsG9MzyG_hYH4kKkU3X95szFanAoFWGGg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Hua Tian <regal2u at gmail.com> wrote:
> thanks for your quick reply!
> I only try to create https://wiki.python.org/moin/HuaTian , actually I'm
> setting moinmoin for myself site http://wiki.nanjinglug.org/Main  , but it's
> suffered spamming by robots, so I need strengthen the registration and
> editing policy, then I hope I could learn from your site. :)
>

Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or
she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :) All you have to
do is set pages to be read-only by default, and have an editors group
that lists the accounts that have permission to make changes.

ChrisA

From delight at safrica.com  Sun Jun 11 18:46:37 2017
From: delight at safrica.com (=?utf-8?Q?THE=20KENYA=20CYBER=20SECURITY=20=26=20ETHICAL=20HAC?=
 =?utf-8?Q?KING=20SEMINAR22-23=20JUNE=202017,KSMS,=20NAIROBI?=
 =?utf-8?Q?=20=20KENYA?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:46:37 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?q?ATTEND=3A_THE_KENYA_CYBER_SECURITY_=26_?=
	=?utf-8?q?ETHICAL_HACKING_SEMINAR_22-23_JUNE_2017=2CKSMS=2C_NAIROB?=
	=?utf-8?q?I_KENYA?=
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From dan1990 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 23:24:45 2017
From: dan1990 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Dan_S=C3=B8ndergaard?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:24:45 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Dead links for Danish local user groups
Message-ID: <F8DB8B5A-4606-4631-8CD5-4715E3906323@gmail.com>

Hi,

I wish to edit the wiki to remove the two links listed here:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Denmark

The first link (http://pycon.dk/) directs the user to a site which offer ?breast enhancements?, among other things. The second link points to a non-existent Google Group.

To my knowledge, there (unfortunately) is no Danish user group at the moment.

Thanks!

Sincerely,
Dan S?ndergaard

From dan1990 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 01:15:29 2017
From: dan1990 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Dan_S=C3=B8ndergaard?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:15:29 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Dead links for Danish local user groups
In-Reply-To: <F8DB8B5A-4606-4631-8CD5-4715E3906323@gmail.com>
References: <F8DB8B5A-4606-4631-8CD5-4715E3906323@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79786F28-AC09-471C-8A6F-58CC5BA1DE9E@gmail.com>

Forgot my username, it?s: DanSondergaard

- Dan

> On 12 Jun 2017, at 13.24, Dan S?ndergaard <dan1990 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I wish to edit the wiki to remove the two links listed here:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Denmark
> 
> The first link (http://pycon.dk/) directs the user to a site which offer ?breast enhancements?, among other things. The second link points to a non-existent Google Group.
> 
> To my knowledge, there (unfortunately) is no Danish user group at the moment.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Dan S?ndergaard


From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 01:26:49 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:26:49 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Dead links for Danish local user groups
In-Reply-To: <F8DB8B5A-4606-4631-8CD5-4715E3906323@gmail.com>
References: <F8DB8B5A-4606-4631-8CD5-4715E3906323@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmpGbxs5E=V3qbNa29gcA679NkqTtCoPKwM3FXv6tT-Y7w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Dan S?ndergaard <dan1990 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish to edit the wiki to remove the two links listed here:
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Denmark
>
> The first link (http://pycon.dk/) directs the user to a site which offer ?breast enhancements?, among other things. The second link points to a non-existent Google Group.
>
> To my knowledge, there (unfortunately) is no Danish user group at the moment.


> Forgot my username, it?s: DanSondergaard

Thanks for the additional info. I've made you an editor.

Thank you for helping eradicate link rot.

ChrisA

From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue Jun 13 11:46:44 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:46:44 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Webmaster] Sending Lossless optimized PNG
 files from www.python.org
In-Reply-To: <20170612214231.Horde.52fi1l6wwpHTSNlf1oTIUeI@mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20170612214231.Horde.52fi1l6wwpHTSNlf1oTIUeI@mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRCLn=HdEVGgSiNS_E8cdV2hXTG1aAdnDrLK_4S_ao5vdg@mail.gmail.com>

I pass this on in case it's of use to the site. Not sure exactly how much
scrutiny is required for content from a completely unknown (?) source?
Perhaps he'd share his techniques?  S

Steve Holden

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <tiagosilva29 at sapo.pt>
Date: Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:42 PM
Subject: [Webmaster] Sending Lossless optimized PNG files from
www.python.org
To: webmaster at python.org


Hi,

I'm sending lossless optimized versions of all PNG files found on
www.python.org (/images, /m, /static).
The space savings range from ~.23 -- ~93%.

I tried to use github to submit this, but these modern things... are just
too complicated for me.

Thanks,
Tiago Silva

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From admin at dealer.com  Sat Jun 17 11:07:14 2017
From: admin at dealer.com (=?utf-8?Q?Stepheney=20Wills?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 08:07:14 -0700
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From denissalem at tuxfamily.org  Sat Jun 17 15:48:17 2017
From: denissalem at tuxfamily.org (denissalem at tuxfamily.org)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:48:17 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request permission to edit StaticSiteGenerator |
 oups... Forgot user name
In-Reply-To: <bb494500a43c119d139c87043434ab9e@tuxfamily.org>
References: <bb494500a43c119d139c87043434ab9e@tuxfamily.org>
Message-ID: <48c8298f8fb5c5d187702549ec170e3d@tuxfamily.org>

Hi fellow python coders!

I would like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/StaticSiteGenerator in 
order to add mine there https://github.com/DenisSalem/VenC

Thank you in advance :)

Edit: The user name is Denis Salem

From denissalem at tuxfamily.org  Sat Jun 17 15:42:33 2017
From: denissalem at tuxfamily.org (denissalem at tuxfamily.org)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:42:33 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request permission to edit StaticSiteGenerator
Message-ID: <bb494500a43c119d139c87043434ab9e@tuxfamily.org>

Hi fellow python coders!

I would like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/StaticSiteGenerator in 
order to add mine there https://github.com/DenisSalem/VenC

Thank you in advance :)

From rosuav at gmail.com  Sat Jun 17 16:01:08 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 06:01:08 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request permission to edit StaticSiteGenerator |
 oups... Forgot user name
In-Reply-To: <48c8298f8fb5c5d187702549ec170e3d@tuxfamily.org>
References: <bb494500a43c119d139c87043434ab9e@tuxfamily.org>
 <48c8298f8fb5c5d187702549ec170e3d@tuxfamily.org>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmqFNYCmjavGCp+ekRXJd8P_V7VXDPE_HeyyeyL4sFHKqw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 5:48 AM,  <denissalem at tuxfamily.org> wrote:
> Hi fellow python coders!
>
> I would like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/StaticSiteGenerator in
> order to add mine there https://github.com/DenisSalem/VenC
>
> Thank you in advance :)
>
> Edit: The user name is Denis Salem

Thanks, the user name is critical :) Editing access is granted.

ChrisA

From berenger at bioreg.kyushu-u.ac.jp  Mon Jun 19 22:00:31 2017
From: berenger at bioreg.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Francois BERENGER)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:00:31 +0900
Subject: [pydotorg-www] suggested edits to
 https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages
Message-ID: <fb5fb1be-936c-ec71-c7df-12515e776726@bioreg.kyushu-u.ac.jp>

Hello,

Pycaml is no more maintained.

Modern solutions are pyml or lymp.

package: pyml
upstream-url: http://pyml.gforge.inria.fr/

package: lymp
upstream-url: https://github.com/dbousque/lymp/

Regards,
F.

From Barry.Martin at mytmc.com  Tue Jun 20 08:09:09 2017
From: Barry.Martin at mytmc.com (Barry Martin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:09:09 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group
Message-ID: <c2460adaca104486a52b342eb6731ff6@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>

Hi,
My name is Barry Martin. I started a python user group in New Jersey. We have 20 members now. I signed up on the wiki but cannot edit the local user group page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups . Can I be granted rights to edit the page or alternatively can someone add the local user group to the page?

South Jersey Python User Group
https://www.meetup.com/South-Jersey-Python-User-Group/



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From mats at wichmann.us  Tue Jun 20 10:28:51 2017
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:28:51 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group
In-Reply-To: <c2460adaca104486a52b342eb6731ff6@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
References: <c2460adaca104486a52b342eb6731ff6@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
Message-ID: <c23585f0-a36b-70a3-b2ec-170cf78277e0@wichmann.us>

On 06/20/2017 06:09 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> Hi,
> My name is Barry Martin. I started a python user group in New Jersey. We have 20 members now. I signed up on the wiki but cannot edit the local user group page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups . Can I be granted rights to edit the page or alternatively can someone add the local user group to the page?
> 
> South Jersey Python User Group
> https://www.meetup.com/South-Jersey-Python-User-Group/
> 
> 
> 
> Barry V. Martin 

If you supply your wiki name, someone can add you.  The current scheme
(send an email like you did to indicate you're a human with good
intentions) is a mild spam-protection layer we had to put in.



From mats at wichmann.us  Tue Jun 20 10:30:09 2017
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:30:09 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] suggested edits to
 https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages
In-Reply-To: <fb5fb1be-936c-ec71-c7df-12515e776726@bioreg.kyushu-u.ac.jp>
References: <fb5fb1be-936c-ec71-c7df-12515e776726@bioreg.kyushu-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <bcb01c3f-c188-7fd4-59a3-77169b1c850d@wichmann.us>

On 06/19/2017 08:00 PM, Francois BERENGER wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Pycaml is no more maintained.
> 
> Modern solutions are pyml or lymp.
> 
> package: pyml
> upstream-url: http://pyml.gforge.inria.fr/
> 
> package: lymp
> upstream-url: https://github.com/dbousque/lymp/
> 
> Regards,
> F.

If you send in your wiki account name, someone can add you as an editor
to be able to update the page.



From Barry.Martin at mytmc.com  Tue Jun 20 10:32:08 2017
From: Barry.Martin at mytmc.com (Barry Martin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:32:08 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group
In-Reply-To: <c23585f0-a36b-70a3-b2ec-170cf78277e0@wichmann.us>
References: <c2460adaca104486a52b342eb6731ff6@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <c23585f0-a36b-70a3-b2ec-170cf78277e0@wichmann.us>
Message-ID: <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>

Hi Mats,
My wiki name is 'Barry Martin'

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mats Wichmann [mailto:mats at wichmann.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: Barry Martin <Barry.Martin at mytmc.com>; 'pydotorg-www at python.org' <pydotorg-www at python.org>
Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] user group

On 06/20/2017 06:09 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> Hi,
> My name is Barry Martin. I started a python user group in New Jersey. We have 20 members now. I signed up on the wiki but cannot edit the local user group page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups . Can I be granted rights to edit the page or alternatively can someone add the local user group to the page?
> 
> South Jersey Python User Group
> https://www.meetup.com/South-Jersey-Python-User-Group/
> 
> 
> 
> Barry V. Martin

If you supply your wiki name, someone can add you.  The current scheme (send an email like you did to indicate you're a human with good
intentions) is a mild spam-protection layer we had to put in.



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From mats at wichmann.us  Tue Jun 20 10:35:42 2017
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:35:42 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Link broken on Integration Page
In-Reply-To: <AM5PR0402MB2932D687BA01F262E15AA529E3110@AM5PR0402MB2932.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM5PR0402MB2932D687BA01F262E15AA529E3110@AM5PR0402MB2932.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8f529359-8127-181d-c49e-4a2535492232@wichmann.us>

On 04/26/2017 07:36 AM, Christian Trenkwalder wrote:
> Hi,
> the link on the page
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages
> to the project  RSPython
> Is pointing to  http://www.omegahat.org/RSPython witch seems to be fraud, 
> I guess http://www.omegahat.net/RSPython/ is the correct page.
> 
> Kind regards
> Christian Trenkwalder

Just found this message while sorting my inbox looking for something
else - looks like everybody missed your note, which nonetheless is
appreciated! I've made the adjustment, which looked right. In future if
you want to make changes, let us know with your wiki name.

From mats at wichmann.us  Tue Jun 20 10:48:26 2017
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:48:26 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group
In-Reply-To: <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
References: <c2460adaca104486a52b342eb6731ff6@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <c23585f0-a36b-70a3-b2ec-170cf78277e0@wichmann.us>
 <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
Message-ID: <aa16a0a3-6e1b-c5eb-457f-063d7952f35e@wichmann.us>

On 06/20/2017 08:32 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> Hi Mats,
> My wiki name is 'Barry Martin'

hmmm, the instructions say:

"using the format FirstnameLastname to avoid issues - please don't use
spaces in the name"

I'm not sure if that means a name with spaces won't work, or is just not
preferred - I'll wait for someone else to pipe up.


From Barry.Martin at mytmc.com  Tue Jun 20 10:56:07 2017
From: Barry.Martin at mytmc.com (Barry Martin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:56:07 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group
In-Reply-To: <aa16a0a3-6e1b-c5eb-457f-063d7952f35e@wichmann.us>
References: <c2460adaca104486a52b342eb6731ff6@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <c23585f0-a36b-70a3-b2ec-170cf78277e0@wichmann.us>
 <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <aa16a0a3-6e1b-c5eb-457f-063d7952f35e@wichmann.us>
Message-ID: <f769ebf0c8eb4ca3b972d02656e77921@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>

That's my clear stupidity, or lack of awareness. I apologize. I just created a new login 'BarryMartin'.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Mats Wichmann [mailto:mats at wichmann.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:48 AM
To: Barry Martin <Barry.Martin at mytmc.com>; 'pydotorg-www at python.org' <pydotorg-www at python.org>
Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] user group

On 06/20/2017 08:32 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> Hi Mats,
> My wiki name is 'Barry Martin'

hmmm, the instructions say:

"using the format FirstnameLastname to avoid issues - please don't use spaces in the name"

I'm not sure if that means a name with spaces won't work, or is just not preferred - I'll wait for someone else to pipe up.


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From mats at wichmann.us  Tue Jun 20 10:58:49 2017
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:58:49 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group
In-Reply-To: <f769ebf0c8eb4ca3b972d02656e77921@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
References: <c2460adaca104486a52b342eb6731ff6@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <c23585f0-a36b-70a3-b2ec-170cf78277e0@wichmann.us>
 <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <aa16a0a3-6e1b-c5eb-457f-063d7952f35e@wichmann.us>
 <f769ebf0c8eb4ca3b972d02656e77921@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
Message-ID: <1560ba32-bdc9-88d6-597a-2e4a32b47d01@wichmann.us>

On 06/20/2017 08:56 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> That's my clear stupidity, or lack of awareness. I apologize. I just created a new login 'BarryMartin'.

added.

looking at the editors list, there are a number of others with spaces so
we probably don't have that note in the right place, and it probably
doesn't actually hurt anything. Sorry for the extra hoop I tossed for you ;)



From Barry.Martin at mytmc.com  Tue Jun 20 11:01:15 2017
From: Barry.Martin at mytmc.com (Barry Martin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:01:15 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group
In-Reply-To: <1560ba32-bdc9-88d6-597a-2e4a32b47d01@wichmann.us>
References: <c2460adaca104486a52b342eb6731ff6@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <c23585f0-a36b-70a3-b2ec-170cf78277e0@wichmann.us>
 <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <aa16a0a3-6e1b-c5eb-457f-063d7952f35e@wichmann.us>
 <f769ebf0c8eb4ca3b972d02656e77921@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com>
 <1560ba32-bdc9-88d6-597a-2e4a32b47d01@wichmann.us>
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Thank you for your attentiveness. This is why the python community is the best. Take care 


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-----Original Message-----
From: Mats Wichmann [mailto:mats at wichmann.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:59 AM
To: Barry Martin <Barry.Martin at mytmc.com>; 'pydotorg-www at python.org' <pydotorg-www at python.org>
Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] user group

On 06/20/2017 08:56 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> That's my clear stupidity, or lack of awareness. I apologize. I just created a new login 'BarryMartin'.

added.

looking at the editors list, there are a number of others with spaces so we probably don't have that note in the right place, and it probably doesn't actually hurt anything. Sorry for the extra hoop I tossed for you ;)



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From ray at hulha.net  Thu Jun 22 11:52:48 2017
From: ray at hulha.net (Raymond Hulha)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:52:48 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] EditorsGroup
Message-ID: <d9366a6f-ec4b-5b36-eb6e-d784a1ef189d@hulha.net>

Hello pydotorg,

I would like to be added to the EditorsGroup

*account name:*

RayH

*intended edits:*

I would like to add Visual Studio Code to the PythonDebuggingTools page: 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDebuggingTools

See this for reference:

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/python#_debugging

Cheers!


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From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 14:12:40 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 04:12:40 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] EditorsGroup
In-Reply-To: <d9366a6f-ec4b-5b36-eb6e-d784a1ef189d@hulha.net>
References: <d9366a6f-ec4b-5b36-eb6e-d784a1ef189d@hulha.net>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmoa4z2fhnPL3ZJom_6TceCv3dpvUsYAy=KpT1x42mu-Tg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Raymond Hulha <ray at hulha.net> wrote:
> Hello pydotorg,
>
> I would like to be added to the EditorsGroup
>
> account name:
>
> RayH

Go for it!

ChrisA

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From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 03:00:00 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (firefox)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:00:00 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
Message-ID: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>

hello ChrisA, FirFoxxx here.


Editing pages

Since spamming and vandalism on this wiki has reached a level that is starting to require daily intervention, new users are no longer allowed to edit pages.

If you want to edit a page and have just signed up, or you find that you can no longer edit a page that you could edit before, please write to the pydotorg-www mailing list,
stating your account name and your intended edits and we'll add you to the EditorsGroup.

Sorry for the inconvenience, but we want to keep this wiki a useful tool for the community, while at the same time need to prevent wiki admin burnout effects.


######


account name:   FirFoxxx

intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage



Let me also say, that the above "clampdown on wiki spam" - while seemingly ongoing for years - might itself have or have not contributed to "keeping this wiki a useful tool for the community".
Users, you decide!  ;-)
Is it still only a "mild inconvenience"?O:-)



From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 03:07:46 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (firefox)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:07:46 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
Message-ID: <dca123d8-c232-533b-934b-d9ce92ff243a@firemail.cc>

hello ChrisA, and Marc-Andre, FirFoxxx here.


"Editing pages

Since spamming and vandalism on this wiki has reached a level that is 
starting to require daily intervention, new users are no longer allowed 
to edit pages.

If you want to edit a page and have just signed up, or you find that you 
can no longer edit a page that you could edit before, please write to 
the pydotorg-www mailing list,
stating your account name and your intended edits and we'll add you to 
the EditorsGroup.

Sorry for the inconvenience, but we want to keep this wiki a useful tool 
for the community, while at the same time need to prevent wiki admin 
burnout effects."


___________________________________________________________________________


account name:   FirFoxxx

intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage



Let me also say, that the above "clampdown on wiki spam" - while 
seemingly ongoing for years - might itself have or have not contributed 
to "keeping this wiki a useful tool for the community".
Users, you decide!  ;-)

Is it still only a "mild inconvenience" ?


Greetings, FF.



From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 17:15:08 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:15:08 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki -
 anti-robot
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmozKZaLgSaLWTsG9MzyG_hYH4kKkU3X95szFanAoFWGGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <oirtgm$f0k$1@blaine.gmane.org>

On 11.06.2017 13:43, Chris Angelico wrote:

> Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or
> she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :) 

to most bona fide users this is actually very much a  :-(


> All you have to
> do is set pages to be read-only by default, and have an editors group
> that lists the accounts that have permission to make changes.
> 
> ChrisA

I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.

How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the 
quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?

If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 18:04:02 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:04:02 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?4pyo8J+NsOKcqCBVbmFibGUgdG8gdXNlIG15?=
 =?utf-8?b?IGFjY291bnQgdG8gZWRpdCB0aGUgd2lraSDinKjwn42w4pyo?=
In-Reply-To: <CAAc2fG2j53MBdg_L1z0zazSc-+C9Zb0gQKAKfEnjs8bQaBT0HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAc2fG2j53MBdg_L1z0zazSc-+C9Zb0gQKAKfEnjs8bQaBT0HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ois0cd$c9s$1@blaine.gmane.org>

On 25.05.2017 18:50, Paul Hildebrandt wrote:
> I would like to put my hat in the ring for the PSF board but am unable 
> to make changes to the wiki.  Can my account: 
> paul_hildebrandt at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:paul_hildebrandt at yahoo.com> have 
> its password reset?  I've tried the password reset several times to no 
> luck.



I wonder if the wiki had ever worked.  ???  It took me about 23 times 
to get anywhere, just to find out that there has been total restriction 
of users for ages, who can essentially do _nothing_ on the py-wiki after 
they put in all the hard work to get registered.


From mal at python.org  Mon Jun 26 18:06:32 2017
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:06:32 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
In-Reply-To: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
Message-ID: <a7fd1014-7358-fe61-8864-eec2bc8cb3e3@python.org>

On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote:
> account name:   FirFoxxx
> 
> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage

Please be more specific about your intended edits.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/

From steve at holdenweb.com  Mon Jun 26 18:07:49 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:07:49 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki -
 anti-robot
In-Reply-To: <oirtgm$f0k$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHyoTNm25m4jimGhKHf9xVeG_DDBxRXQXhsJfRMeha_6qQnRNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmozKZaLgSaLWTsG9MzyG_hYH4kKkU3X95szFanAoFWGGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMofdRB0cWohBU_e5Bx32ScLER3i5EU=Ds+nGjNBtio4pEjFAw@mail.gmail.com>

AS a no-more-then-tangential reply I will point out in the defence of
anyone who might be held responsible for not "plan[ning] to mitigate this
dire situation," that the site content is maintained entirely by
volunteers. It's possible that our current approach won't scale, but it's
equally likely that there is much more relevant and recent content is
available from other sources.

I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused.
Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of
sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough interest
to want to help. If you feel like organising a crew of willing volunteers
to help curate and maintain the content I'll be happy to introduce you to
PSF people who might be willing to support such a venture (though I can
make no commitment on the Foundation's behalf).

regards
 Steve

Steve Holden

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:

> On 11.06.2017 13:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or
>> she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :)
>>
>
> to most bona fide users this is actually very much a  :-(
>
>
> All you have to
>> do is set pages to be read-only by default, and have an editors group
>> that lists the accounts that have permission to make changes.
>>
>> ChrisA
>>
>
> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.
>
> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the quality
> (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?
>
> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
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From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 18:08:17 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:08:17 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
In-Reply-To: <a7fd1014-7358-fe61-8864-eec2bc8cb3e3@python.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
 <a7fd1014-7358-fe61-8864-eec2bc8cb3e3@python.org>
Message-ID: <ois0kc$c9s$2@blaine.gmane.org>

On 27.06.2017 00:06, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote:
>> account name:   FirFoxxx
>>
>> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage
> 
> Please be more specific about your intended edits.
> 
> Thanks,
> 


well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links.


why do you not autoremove all dead links ?


From steve at holdenweb.com  Mon Jun 26 18:13:00 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:13:00 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
In-Reply-To: <ois0kc$c9s$2@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
 <a7fd1014-7358-fe61-8864-eec2bc8cb3e3@python.org>
 <ois0kc$c9s$2@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRBoBTjtp6EJeQciSyNjODTNAkNotHi9RSZcn9ObEAOLwg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:08 PM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:

> why do you not autoremove all dead links ?
>

?Because it takes more than zero effort to doso, and effort is in short
supply.  S?


Steve Holden
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From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 18:21:29 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:21:29 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRBoBTjtp6EJeQciSyNjODTNAkNotHi9RSZcn9ObEAOLwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
 <a7fd1014-7358-fe61-8864-eec2bc8cb3e3@python.org>
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 <CAMofdRBoBTjtp6EJeQciSyNjODTNAkNotHi9RSZcn9ObEAOLwg@mail.gmail.com>
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>     why do you not autoremove all dead links ?
> 
> 
> ?Because it takes more than zero effort to doso, and effort is in short 
> supply.  



Obviously, from reading the wiki. And "effort supply" will stay low as 
long as your restrictions are in place. Ought be quite obvious as well.


From mal at python.org  Mon Jun 26 18:25:51 2017
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:25:51 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
In-Reply-To: <ois0kc$c9s$2@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
 <a7fd1014-7358-fe61-8864-eec2bc8cb3e3@python.org>
 <ois0kc$c9s$2@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org>

On 27.06.2017 00:08, Fox wrote:
> On 27.06.2017 00:06, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote:
>>> account name:   FirFoxxx
>>>
>>> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage
>>
>> Please be more specific about your intended edits.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
> 
> 
> well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links.

In what way do you intend to improve it ?

> why do you not autoremove all dead links ?

Moin doesn't have such a feature, AFAIK.

It's also not clear whether this would really help - often enough dead
links can still be made to work by going via archive.org, so
automatically removing them would result in loss of information.

A better solution would be to try to make the link work again
or replace it with an updated one. This requires editors willing
to contribute their time.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/

From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 18:29:23 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:29:23 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
In-Reply-To: <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
 <a7fd1014-7358-fe61-8864-eec2bc8cb3e3@python.org>
 <ois0kc$c9s$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org>
Message-ID: <ois1rt$nuv$3@blaine.gmane.org>


>>>> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage
>>>
>>> Please be more specific about your intended edits.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>>
>> well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links.
> 
> In what way do you intend to improve it ?
> 
>> why do you not autoremove all dead links ?
> 
> Moin doesn't have such a feature, AFAIK.
> 
> It's also not clear whether this would really help - often enough dead
> links can still be made to work by going via archive.org, so
> automatically removing them would result in loss of information.
> 
> A better solution would be to try to make the link work again
> or replace it with an updated one. This requires editors willing
> to contribute their time.


So what are you waiting for ?


Grant me editorship!


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 18:34:05 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:34:05 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?4pyo8J+NsOKcqCBmb3IgZXZlcnlvbmUgc2Vl?=
 =?utf-8?q?king_a_COOL_wiki_with_no_reg_fuss_like_this_one_=E2=9C=A8?=
 =?utf-8?b?8J+NsOKcqA==?=
Message-ID: <ois24n$nuv$4@blaine.gmane.org>


no reg, no nothing, just go ahead with productive stuff:



https://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python




???  python - a piece of cake      ???





add source code like:


{{{

print ("oh yes")

}}}



From mal at python.org  Mon Jun 26 18:04:18 2017
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:04:18 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki -
 anti-robot
In-Reply-To: <oirtgm$f0k$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHyoTNm25m4jimGhKHf9xVeG_DDBxRXQXhsJfRMeha_6qQnRNg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <oirtgm$f0k$1@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <f22d6409-9ffc-f20e-11dd-4a25d3d58e56@python.org>

On 26.06.2017 23:15, Fox wrote:
> On 11.06.2017 13:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
> 
>> Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or
>> she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :) 
> 
> to most bona fide users this is actually very much a  :-(
> 
> 
>> All you have to
>> do is set pages to be read-only by default, and have an editors group
>> that lists the accounts that have permission to make changes.
>>
>> ChrisA
> 
> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.
> 
> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the
> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?
> 
> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?

We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
tried, this is by far the most successful one.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/

From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 18:41:05 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:41:05 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki -
 anti-robot
In-Reply-To: <f22d6409-9ffc-f20e-11dd-4a25d3d58e56@python.org>
References: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHyoTNm25m4jimGhKHf9xVeG_DDBxRXQXhsJfRMeha_6qQnRNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmozKZaLgSaLWTsG9MzyG_hYH4kKkU3X95szFanAoFWGGg@mail.gmail.com>
 <oirtgm$f0k$1@blaine.gmane.org>
 <f22d6409-9ffc-f20e-11dd-4a25d3d58e56@python.org>
Message-ID: <ois2hr$nuv$5@blaine.gmane.org>


>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.
>>
>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the
>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?
>>
>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
> 
> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
> tried, this is by far the most successful one.


The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed.

Keep up the good work!   ;-)


From mal at python.org  Mon Jun 26 18:51:34 2017
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:51:34 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki -
 anti-robot
In-Reply-To: <ois2hr$nuv$5@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <CAHyoTNkc_ocLavLBO+g2YYpAo9fYM5qcLrT7UtVUZ0SGeu42JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmoLsFAVQFSs82AyyEmUsHLOpcjQhye82-GhWk7rmqHE0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHyoTNm25m4jimGhKHf9xVeG_DDBxRXQXhsJfRMeha_6qQnRNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmozKZaLgSaLWTsG9MzyG_hYH4kKkU3X95szFanAoFWGGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <514c1927-dc4f-c080-0090-8648352e9b78@python.org>

On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote:
> 
>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.
>>>
>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the
>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?
>>>
>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
>>
>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
>> tried, this is by far the most successful one.
> 
> 
> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed.
> 
> Keep up the good work!   ;-)

Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but
I think we're better off not making you an editor today.

How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work
and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ?

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/

From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:01:02 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:01:02 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mr Lemburg rejected request for wiki - editorship,
 just so not anybody claims it never happened (again).
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On 27.06.2017 00:07, Steve Holden wrote:

> I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused. 
> Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of 
> sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough 
> interest to want to help. 



How good is your memory anyway?  I was refused editorship today.


When read your line: "I can't remember anyone who asked for edit 
permissions being refused." , I knew what was in store.


Keep up the "good work", folks. You know what I'm talking about.


From mats at wichmann.us  Mon Jun 26 19:04:42 2017
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 17:04:42 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki -
 anti-robot
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On 06/26/2017 04:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote:
>>
>>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.
>>>>
>>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the
>>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?
>>>>
>>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
>>>
>>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
>>> tried, this is by far the most successful one.
>>
>>
>> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed.
>>
>> Keep up the good work!   ;-)
> 
> Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but
> I think we're better off not making you an editor today.
> 
> How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work
> and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ?

I'll add two bits here ("two bits" being an Americanism for what once
was, but no longer is a particularly valuable coin) that:

- the wiki was clearly worse quality when edits were not slightly
restricted, because pages kept getting splattered with auto-added debris
full of links some might call unsavory and nobody would argue were "off
topic"

- "dead links" has been a bit of a sensitive topic, as many times people
reporting them have submitted alternatives which point to a site which
accrue some financial benefit to the reporter rather than really
providing a true open alternative.

- ranting at and offending the maintainers usually has an effect... just
consider your own reaction if the roles were reversed.

As MAL says... make a couple of more specific proposals, and we'll see.


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:09:39 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:09:39 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] hypocrisy
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> - the wiki was clearly worse quality when edits were not slightly
> restricted, because pages kept getting splattered with auto-added debris
> full of links some might call unsavory and nobody would argue were "off
> topic"
> 
> - "dead links" has been a bit of a sensitive topic, as many times people
> reporting them have submitted alternatives which point to a site which
> accrue some financial benefit to the reporter rather than really
> providing a true open alternative.
> 
> - ranting at and offending the maintainers usually has an effect... just
> consider your own reaction if the roles were reversed.
> 
> As MAL says... make a couple of more specific proposals, and we'll see.



we'll see indeed. Currently you have just proven how you drive the wiki 
into the quality abyss. The pythonista will be grateful for that. ???


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:06:04 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:06:04 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejection by Mr Lemburg : editor of python wiki
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On 27.06.2017 00:51, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
 > On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote:
 >>
 >>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.
 >>>>
 >>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the
 >>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?
 >>>>
 >>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
 >>>
 >>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
 >>> tried, this is by far the most successful one.
 >>
 >>
 >> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed.
 >>
 >> Keep up the good work!   ;-)
 >
 > Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but
 > I think we're better off not making you an editor today.
 >
 > How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work
 > and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ?
 >
 > Thanks,


Dude, why so shy ?

Just go ahead with how you usually do it.






From steve at holdenweb.com  Mon Jun 26 19:12:48 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:12:48 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejection by Mr Lemburg : editor of python wiki
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Just, wow.  S

Steve Holden

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:

> On 27.06.2017 00:51, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.
> >>>>
> >>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the
> >>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?
> >>>>
> >>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
> >>>
> >>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
> >>> tried, this is by far the most successful one.
> >>
> >>
> >> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed.
> >>
> >> Keep up the good work!   ;-)
> >
> > Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but
> > I think we're better off not making you an editor today.
> >
> > How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work
> > and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ?
> >
> > Thanks,
>
>
> Dude, why so shy ?
>
> Just go ahead with how you usually do it.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 19:13:32 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:13:32 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mr Lemburg rejected request for wiki -
 editorship, just so not anybody claims it never happened (again).
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:
> On 27.06.2017 00:07, Steve Holden wrote:
>
>> I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused.
>> Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of
>> sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough interest
>> to want to help.
>
>
>
>
> How good is your memory anyway?  I was refused editorship today.
>
>
> When read your line: "I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions
> being refused." , I knew what was in store.
>
>
> Keep up the "good work", folks. You know what I'm talking about.

Any non-troll non-spammer. We frequently reject or ignore straight-up
spam; but legitimate good-faith requests are not refused.

In my opinion, this trend has yet to be broken.

ChrisA

From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:14:23 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:14:23 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?4pyo8J+NsOKcqCBmb3IgZXZlcnlvbmUgc2Vl?=
 =?utf-8?q?king_a_COOL_wiki_with_no_reg_fuss_like_this_one_=E2=9C=A8?=
 =?utf-8?b?8J+NsOKcqA==?=
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Let's hope that there will be none of the "maintenance" over there, of 
the type we had to witness in the py-wiki.    :-(


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:15:56 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:15:56 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mr Lemburg rejected request for wiki -
 editorship, just so not anybody claims it never happened (again).
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On 27.06.2017 01:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:
>> On 27.06.2017 00:07, Steve Holden wrote:
>>
>>> I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused.
>>> Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of
>>> sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough interest
>>> to want to help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How good is your memory anyway?  I was refused editorship today.
>>
>>
>> When read your line: "I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions
>> being refused." , I knew what was in store.
>>
>>
>> Keep up the "good work", folks. You know what I'm talking about.
> 
> Any non-troll non-spammer. We frequently reject or ignore straight-up
> spam; but legitimate good-faith requests are not refused.
> 
> In my opinion, this trend has yet to be broken.
> 
> ChrisA


In my opinion, you must be either a hypocrite or a liar.



From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:17:32 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:17:32 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejection by Mr Lemburg : editor of python wiki
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On 27.06.2017 01:12, Steve Holden wrote:
> Just, wow.  S
> 
> Steve Holden



see? I am such a polite guy.





> 
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Fox 
> <firefox at firemail.cc 
> <mailto:firefox at firemail.cc>> wrote:
> 
>     On 27.06.2017 00 <tel:27.06.2017%2000>:51, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>      > On 27.06.2017 00 <tel:27.06.2017%2000>:41, Fox wrote:
>      >>
>      >>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the
>      >>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the
>     wiki ?
>      >>>>
>      >>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
>      >>>
>      >>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
>      >>> tried, this is by far the most successful one.
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki,
>     indeed.
>      >>
>      >> Keep up the good work!   ;-)
>      >
>      > Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but
>      > I think we're better off not making you an editor today.
>      >
>      > How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work
>      > and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ?
>      >
>      > Thanks,
> 
> 
>     Dude, why so shy ?
> 
>     Just go ahead with how you usually do it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     pydotorg-www mailing list
>     pydotorg-www at python.org
>     <mailto:pydotorg-www at python.org>
>     https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>     <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www>
> 
> 
> 
> 



From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:27:39 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:27:39 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejection-troll Lemburg: "legitimate good-faith
 requests are not refused."
Message-ID: <ois595$aum$1@blaine.gmane.org>


rejection-troll Lemburg:

"legitimate good-faith requests are not [being] refused."


Truth or lie ?


pythonista, you decide !



Holden:
"I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused."


That one did not last 24 hrs, surprisingly.   ;-)


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:20:13 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:20:13 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] the no bs wiki:
 practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python
Message-ID: <ois4r7$rnc$4@blaine.gmane.org>


https://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python

???    ???    ???     ???    ???

A real wiki. Not a "wiki, so-called", like you find them littered all 
around planet py.


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 19:35:46 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:35:46 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] total restricion policy since 2013 uninterrupted
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On 27.06.2017 00:04, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
> 
> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
> tried, this is by far the most successful one.



afaik you stick that total restricion policy since 2013 uninterrupted or 
longer.


So, I presume you only had 2 strategies and never reevaluated after 2013.


Correct ?


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 20:02:19 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:02:19 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let's be honest: the py wiki is a *** disgrace
Message-ID: <ois7a5$d0o$1@blaine.gmane.org>

poor quality content, next to no redactions worth speaking of, tons of 
dead links and an iron-fist rejection approach against all new users who 
must first lick some boot or do whatever.


Ask the Arch-Linux wiki people whether they want to adopt this "most 
successful" (quoting rejection troll Lemburg) policy.


Maybe you believe _them_ more than the voice of reason.


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 20:20:29 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:20:29 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] key point - lest I forget
In-Reply-To: <6f71b7d7-d125-19b3-2e56-61c80c246f03@wichmann.us>
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On 27.06.2017 01:04, Mats Wichmann wrote:

> - ranting at and offending the maintainers usually has an effect... just
> consider your own reaction if the roles were reversed.


what the disingenuous admins around here fail to acknowledge, of course, 
is the fact that due to the broken registration procedure

- which I believe is being kept broken deliberately by them -

the editor rejection rate may be low in absolute terms, since 85% of 
possible future editors will simply go away for proper wikis and never 
look back, once they find out about how the admins run this py "wiki".

They

* take a look into the log,
* briefly look at the "policies" and
* run like hostages.



And those 85% helping out the good wikis instead are doing the right 
thing, of course.


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 20:29:18 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:29:18 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?4pyo8J+NsOKcqCBmb3IgZXZlcnlvbmUgc2Vl?=
 =?utf-8?q?king_a_COOL_wiki_with_no_reg_fuss_like_this_one_=E2=9C=A8?=
 =?utf-8?b?8J+NsOKcqCBwcmFjdGljYWwtc2NoZW1lLm5ldC93aWxpa2kvd2lsaWtpLmNn?=
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> 
> https://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python
> 

link reposted since the "ml" censored it


From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 20:40:31 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:40:31 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] take his word for it?
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On 06.10.2016 08:42, Chris Angelico wrote:

> Copyeditors are _always_ welcome. Thank you for offering to contribute!

> 
> ChrisA


Should we take his word for it?

It may be true or not!



From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 20:42:19 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:42:19 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] *always*
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On 04.11.2016 22:38, Chris Angelico wrote:

> Sounds like you want to copy-edit? That's *always* welcome - fix any
> typos you see, make sure the grammar's correct, test the code
> examples, verify links, that kind of thing. 
> 
> ChrisA

*always*  ,  huh ?


can we take your word for it ?

Most probably not.     :-(



From firefox at firemail.cc  Mon Jun 26 21:58:05 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 03:58:05 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a
 "success"
Message-ID: <oise38$9en$1@blaine.gmane.org>

For a wiki of the size and reach of the pywiki to attract only ~ 20 new 
Editors in all of 2017 is an abysmal failure.


The people responsible for this disaster are the wiki admins of course 
(Lemburg et. al.), who run the place as if they were bosses of it and 
they owned the wiki like a cotton plantation. They run an iron-fist 
rejection policy ever since 2013.


Yet they ignore well founded criticism and want to stick to their 
disaster plan like the Tory party of GB.

It seems more timely than ever to look out for new admins to replace 
these people as as soon as possible.

Anybody throws in his hat?


From tritium-list at sdamon.com  Mon Jun 26 23:29:03 2017
From: tritium-list at sdamon.com (Alex Walters)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:29:03 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017
 a "success"
In-Reply-To: <oise38$9en$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <oise38$9en$1@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com>

Can you please stop flooding the list?

The spam policy isn't going to change.  Yes it sucks that we have to go
through this, but we don't have the manpower to handle the spam if we only
had automated logins.  There are a lot of project wikis that are like this,
including postgres and *every single GitHub wiki* by default.

If you want to manage the automated spam that besieges wikis around the net,
by all means do so.  Announce it on psf-community.  This list is about the
web infrastructure run by the psf.  Advertising here isn't helpful, and is a
great way to dilute your own point with ill will.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pydotorg-www [mailto:pydotorg-www-bounces+tritium-
> list=sdamon.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Fox
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:58 PM
> To: pydotorg-www at python.org
> Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a
> "success"
> 
> For a wiki of the size and reach of the pywiki to attract only ~ 20 new
> Editors in all of 2017 is an abysmal failure.
> 
> 
> The people responsible for this disaster are the wiki admins of course
> (Lemburg et. al.), who run the place as if they were bosses of it and
> they owned the wiki like a cotton plantation. They run an iron-fist
> rejection policy ever since 2013.
> 
> 
> Yet they ignore well founded criticism and want to stick to their
> disaster plan like the Tory party of GB.
> 
> It seems more timely than ever to look out for new admins to replace
> these people as as soon as possible.
> 
> Anybody throws in his hat?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


From firefox at firemail.cc  Tue Jun 27 00:42:57 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:42:57 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a
 "success"
In-Reply-To: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com>
References: <oise38$9en$1@blaine.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <oisnoc$dl7$1@blaine.gmane.org>

I don't know wtf you're talking about. I myself run several github wikis 
where any regged githuber can write whatever he wants and I never saw a 
single spam post. Not one. Your argument is as fake as all the Lemburg 
baloney.

Also what do you mean with "advertising" ?

You mean, you want to keep every py user hostage to a cr*p wiki and not 
allow them to see what a real wiki can be like, such as

https://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python

?

What kind of control freak are you ? I also challenge you on my earlier 
point about whether the pywiki would get spammed hard in 2017 again 
unless maybe it has no anti-spam measures at all, which would raise the 
question of why you are admins in the first place of such a wiki.



On 27.06.2017 05:29, Alex Walters wrote:
> Can you please stop flooding the list?
> 
> The spam policy isn't going to change.  Yes it sucks that we have to go
> through this, but we don't have the manpower to handle the spam if we only
> had automated logins.  There are a lot of project wikis that are like this,
> including postgres and *every single GitHub wiki* by default.
> 
> If you want to manage the automated spam that besieges wikis around the net,
> by all means do so.  Announce it on psf-community.  This list is about the
> web infrastructure run by the psf.  Advertising here isn't helpful, and is a
> great way to dilute your own point with ill will.



>> For a wiki of the size and reach of the pywiki to attract only ~ 20 new
>> Editors in all of 2017 is an abysmal failure.
>>
>>
>> The people responsible for this disaster are the wiki admins of course
>> (Lemburg et. al.), who run the place as if they were bosses of it and
>> they owned the wiki like a cotton plantation. They run an iron-fist
>> rejection policy ever since 2013.
>>
>>
>> Yet they ignore well founded criticism and want to stick to their
>> disaster plan like the Tory party of GB.
>>
>> It seems more timely than ever to look out for new admins to replace
>> these people as as soon as possible.
>>
>> Anybody throws in his hat?


From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 00:49:22 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:49:22 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017
 a "success"
In-Reply-To: <oisnoc$dl7$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <oise38$9en$1@blaine.gmane.org>
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:
> I don't know wtf you're talking about. I myself run several github wikis
> where any regged githuber can write whatever he wants and I never saw a
> single spam post. Not one. Your argument is as fake as all the Lemburg
> baloney.

Lack of spam often just means nobody cares enough to harass your wiki.
And apparently you care enough to harass us about this one.

Do you realize that you're only spamming the wiki admins? It's not
like sending emails to this list is going to magically inform all
Python users or anything.

ChrisA

From firefox at firemail.cc  Tue Jun 27 00:55:54 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:55:54 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017
 a "success"
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmrya3K8sEYoq39XOpo+qdzkZC9sau1rVqf44q7Vi+igug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <oise38$9en$1@blaine.gmane.org>
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I'm not "spamming admins", I am leaving a warning posted in here to 
inform any potential new editor what kind of cotton plantation he made 
the mistake to subscribe to.


From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 00:58:09 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:58:09 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017
 a "success"
In-Reply-To: <oisogk$87l$1@blaine.gmane.org>
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:
> I'm not "spamming admins", I am leaving a warning posted in here to inform
> any potential new editor what kind of cotton plantation he made the mistake
> to subscribe to.

And potential new editors don't read this list. So you're wasting your
time and ours.

ChrisA

From mal at python.org  Tue Jun 27 04:09:45 2017
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:09:45 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too
In-Reply-To: <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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On 27.06.2017 00:25, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 27.06.2017 00:08, Fox wrote:
>> On 27.06.2017 00:06, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote:
>>>> account name:   FirFoxxx
>>>>
>>>> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage
>>>
>>> Please be more specific about your intended edits.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>>
>> well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links.
> 
> In what way do you intend to improve it ?
> 
>> why do you not autoremove all dead links ?
> 
> Moin doesn't have such a feature, AFAIK.
> 
> It's also not clear whether this would really help - often enough dead
> links can still be made to work by going via archive.org, so
> automatically removing them would result in loss of information.
> 
> A better solution would be to try to make the link work again
> or replace it with an updated one. This requires editors willing
> to contribute their time.

I found a new reference for the Komodo link and removed the
console.py one, since the only other package using that name
doesn't seem to use the cmd module.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/

From firefox at firemail.cc  Tue Jun 27 06:01:48 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:01:48 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] great find, dude
In-Reply-To: <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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On 27.06.2017 10:09, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> I found a new reference for the Komodo link and removed the
> console.py one, since the only other package using that name
> doesn't seem to use the cmd module.


yeah great find. You now must make sure there will be no (new) editor 
pointing out in the https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule#bottom

"Discussion" section, that that listcmd.py of yours just does nothing at 
all when called.


So it fits in perfectly with the rest of the worthless article not 
providing any useable or helpful .py file on the subject matter.

Just keep the wiki quality that low overall and we'll get you people 
replaced by real admins very soon.




From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue Jun 27 06:43:49 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:43:49 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] great find, dude
In-Reply-To: <oitae7$umc$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:

> Just keep the wiki quality that low overall and we'll get you people
> replaced by real admins very soon.
>

?The sooner we get a capable and dedicated team of editors, the better. But
I see no signs of one materialising, while the vocal (though often
justified) criticism continues.

If you are serious about improving the quality of the Wiki ?you would earn
the undying thanks of the Python community at large by doing so, and I have
already suggested that such a project might be considered for support by
the PSF. You are welcome to disapprove of the way things have been done:
it's simply the sum total of many individual volunteers' decisions about
where they would exert their efforts. I don't think anyone would argue it's
perfect, but the PSF isn't an autocratic organisation that can order people
to act in particular ways.

It relies, as it has since its inception, and as does the Python language
itself, on a worldwide network of volunteers. Some of those who have given
their service might, perhaps, misunderstand your attempts to help as
implying they should not have made the choices they did.

?regards?

Steve Holden
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From firefox at firemail.cc  Tue Jun 27 06:53:11 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:53:11 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] hostile act
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRDfr3n2Xb-KmLgcWRoWXYu2xOcPXYwa+YuqcGcb4C3zcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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On 27.06.2017 12:43, Steve Holden wrote:
> Some of those who 
> have given their service might, perhaps, misunderstand your attempts to 
> help as implying they should not have made the choices they did.



the stark contrast between a good wiki like the Arch-Linux wiki and the 
stuff you have to offer is a result of the choices you mention.


Since clearly the good volunteers flock to Arch and shun pywiki, it is 
not far-fetched to conclude that the iron-fist clampdown against new 
editors is a huge mistake.


Better wikis that your own one will never allow such an hostile act to 
happen in their wikis.


From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue Jun 27 07:10:18 2017
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:10:18 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] hostile act
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:

> Better wikis that your own one will never allow such an hostile act to
> happen in their wikis.
>

?Who is this "you" that you ?rail against while appearing to be a member?

Steve Holden
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From firefox at firemail.cc  Tue Jun 27 09:27:47 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:27:47 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] factual and actual editor rejections
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmo32ScReNZPtdboi6FxOdgtWbzDJ0PYj+nejTYB7FA3dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <oise38$9en$1@blaine.gmane.org>
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On 27.06.2017 06:58, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:
>> I'm not "spamming admins", I am leaving a warning posted in here to inform
>> any potential new editor what kind of cotton plantation he made the mistake
>> to subscribe to.
> 
> And potential new editors don't read this list. So you're wasting your
> time and ours.
> 
> ChrisA
> 



forgot , you force them to do it for no reason other than your vanity or 
whatever your ulteriour motives are to set up such unnecessary burdens 
for potential bona fide editors ?


My posts, too, will have a chilling effect on those, so they will turn 
elsewhere, and rightly so. The py wiki just is not good enough under the 
current administration.


The admins even won't stick to their word, and instead of being clear 
about their factual and actual editor rejections, they stay ambiguous so 
fewer people call the wiki admins "liars".


From firefox at firemail.cc  Tue Jun 27 09:30:24 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:30:24 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] "race to the bottom"
In-Reply-To: <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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On 27.06.2017 10:09, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> I found a new reference for the Komodo link and removed the
> console.py one, since the only other package using that name
> doesn't seem to use the cmd module.


OK if I add a link of your quality level to the wiki, which I can easily 
do, will you make me an editor like you yourself are one?

I mean, you start a "race to the bottom" here!


From firefox at firemail.cc  Tue Jun 27 09:31:42 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:31:42 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRATSWZqxzjeW6HBN_Q1mFUGh+2MR0O1FOTCnqBFtAEJww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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you wanna put up with this ?


From barry at python.org  Tue Jun 27 09:54:25 2017
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:54:25 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
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References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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Message-ID: <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org>

On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote:

>you wanna put up with this ?

Not really.  Can we block this guy?

-Barry

From firefox at firemail.cc  Tue Jun 27 10:03:38 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:03:38 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org>
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On 27.06.2017 15:54, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote:
> 
>> you wanna put up with this ?
> 
> Not really.  Can we block this guy?
> 
> -Barry


I will come back until you kill this ml like you killed the wiki.

you started the race to the bottom, I told you early enough.



From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 10:08:21 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 00:08:21 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <oitojk$tfn$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:
> On 27.06.2017 15:54, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote:
>>
>>> you wanna put up with this ?
>>
>>
>> Not really.  Can we block this guy?
>>
>> -Barry
>
>
>
> I will come back until you kill this ml like you killed the wiki.
>
> you started the race to the bottom, I told you early enough.

Is this mailing list available on gmane still? We should block that,
then he wouldn't have a forum to vent onto.

ChrisA

From mal at python.org  Tue Jun 27 11:59:31 2017
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:59:31 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmrqsBkjwPCaMMvg=fz2ZgF0dmv0E6P0CUpirkbqDH63GA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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On 27.06.2017 16:08, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Fox <firefox at firemail.cc> wrote:
>> On 27.06.2017 15:54, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote:
>>>
>>>> you wanna put up with this ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really.  Can we block this guy?
>>>
>>> -Barry
>>
>>
>>
>> I will come back until you kill this ml like you killed the wiki.
>>
>> you started the race to the bottom, I told you early enough.
> 
> Is this mailing list available on gmane still? We should block that,
> then he wouldn't have a forum to vent onto.

I don't know who has access to the ML admin. I suppose we could
ask our postmasters to reset the password and give it to some
of us.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/

From mj at zopatista.com  Wed Jun 28 03:17:28 2017
From: mj at zopatista.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:17:28 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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Message-ID: <EE15B8CB-4A85-4316-8DD2-468D0F1FF9F5@zopatista.com>

On 27 Jun 2017, at 14:54, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote:
> 
>> you wanna put up with this ?
> 
> Not really.  Can we block this guy?

Looks like someone did:

List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held for moderation.
firefox at firemail.cc

List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically rejected. 
firefox at firemail.cc

List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded. 
firefox at firemail.cc

The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now.

Martijn

From rosuav at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 03:19:33 2017
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:19:33 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <EE15B8CB-4A85-4316-8DD2-468D0F1FF9F5@zopatista.com>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Martijn Pieters <mj at zopatista.com> wrote:
> The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now.

Oh. That part is going to be annoying, as it'll delay legitimate
messages until a mod gets to them. This is mainly a notification list,
not a discussion list, so half the posts come from non-subscribed
people.

ChrisA

From mal at python.org  Wed Jun 28 03:28:44 2017
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:28:44 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <EE15B8CB-4A85-4316-8DD2-468D0F1FF9F5@zopatista.com>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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Message-ID: <6f7791f5-3fea-798f-467f-c55aaaeaf14e@python.org>

On 28.06.2017 09:17, Martijn Pieters wrote:
> On 27 Jun 2017, at 14:54, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote:
>>
>>> you wanna put up with this ?
>>
>> Not really.  Can we block this guy?
> 
> Looks like someone did:
> 
> List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held for moderation.
> firefox at firemail.cc
> 
> List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically rejected. 
> firefox at firemail.cc
> 
> List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded. 
> firefox at firemail.cc

Thanks.

> The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now.

Hmm, this will not work well, since this list is the go to
place when asking for wiki edit permission and for reporting
other python.org related issues.

Could this be lifted again ?

BTW: Who do we need to contact for changes to this lists
configuration ? The -owner address ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/

From mj at zopatista.com  Wed Jun 28 03:31:18 2017
From: mj at zopatista.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:31:18 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmriy1rx7zmFGQmPhsrJnpBKi78pBuzsJ+g8jp-oymCEYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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Message-ID: <D7A52583-7CF1-43A9-A84F-930B84582161@zopatista.com>

On 28 Jun 2017, at 08:19, Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Martijn Pieters <mj at zopatista.com> wrote:
>> The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now.
> 
> Oh. That part is going to be annoying, as it'll delay legitimate
> messages until a mod gets to them. This is mainly a notification list,
> not a discussion list, so half the posts come from non-subscribed
> people.

I've switched that back to 'accept' again. I also added firefox at firemail.cc to the 'List of addresses which are banned from membership in this mailing list' to ensure there is no loophole there.

Martijn

From mj at zopatista.com  Wed Jun 28 03:33:53 2017
From: mj at zopatista.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:33:53 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors
In-Reply-To: <6f7791f5-3fea-798f-467f-c55aaaeaf14e@python.org>
References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc>
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Message-ID: <08F1F8DE-8A02-4933-BF45-15171C544EB9@zopatista.com>

On 28 Jun 2017, at 08:28, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
> Hmm, this will not work well, since this list is the go to
> place when asking for wiki edit permission and for reporting
> other python.org <http://python.org/> related issues.
> 
> Could this be lifted again ?

Done (see my other email)

> BTW: Who do we need to contact for changes to this lists
> configuration ? The -owner address ?

-owners goes to pkropf at gmail.com and amk at amk.ca. Presumably either are still active and have access. Let me know if others need to be added and/or a password reset is in order.

Martijn
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From pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com  Wed Jun 28 04:23:00 2017
From: pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com (leaky wiki)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:23:00 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Does Your Business Need a Lifeline?
In-Reply-To: <1dGHOI-000A2z-Mz@mx167.sendpulse.email>
References: <1dGHOI-000A2z-Mz@mx167.sendpulse.email>
Message-ID: <oivp13$a8v$1@blaine.gmane.org>

whose doesn't. stop spamming rite now!


From pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com  Tue Jun 27 14:44:00 2017
From: pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com (leaky wiki)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:44:00 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hello!
In-Reply-To: <PC01PC2624c212948a49b3830f268c04c69905@PC01PC>
References: <PC01PC2624c212948a49b3830f268c04c69905@PC01PC>
Message-ID: <oiu92s$jta$1@blaine.gmane.org>


great to find friends round here ! But Sweden was persecuting  Julian
Assange for far too long!


Stepheney Wills:
> Hello
> 
> I hope this letter finds you in the best of health and spirit. Forgive my 
> intrusion as I know that this is an unconventional way of reaching out to you.
> 
> My name is Stepheney Wills and I'm Swede. My reason for writing you is to seek 
> your friendship! Just being adventurous and decided to use this letter as a 
> resource tool to get your attention. As a matter of fact, I've been wanting to 
> try this a while now to chat. But I've been clueless on how to go about it.
> 
> Maybe you find it strange that I'm using something as cold as this means to 
> reach you. But this is the best I can do for now.In short: the purpose of this 
> letter is just to ask you if you want to be my friend. And if you agree, just 
> say yes and we can take it on from there.
> 
> I look forward to hear hearing from you.
> 
> Steph
 Julain


From pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com  Wed Jun 28 04:31:00 2017
From: pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com (leaky wiki)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:31:00 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Steve Holden's arguments don't hold water.
Message-ID: <oivph5$thd$1@blaine.gmane.org>

let me chime in here!

Holden comes across as a somewhat sanctimonious guy.

His "site content is maintained entirely by volunteers" line
may sound as if all was hunkey-dorey, yet it is the types like him, who
actually make sure that the NEW volunteers are being kept out!

Rejection rate skyrocketed this month !

The agressive stance against new users is of course part of the plan.
Not many editors fall for such a cheap trick though.




Steve Holden:
> AS a no-more-then-tangential reply I will point out in the defence of
> anyone who might be held responsible for not "plan[ning] to mitigate this
> dire situation," that the site content is maintained entirely by
> volunteers. It's possible that our current approach won't scale, but it's
> equally likely that there is much more relevant and recent content is
> available from other sources.
> 
> I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused.
> Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of
> sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough interest
> to want to help. If you feel like organising a crew of willing volunteers
> to help curate and maintain the content I'll be happy to introduce you to
> PSF people who might be willing to support such a venture (though I can
> make no commitment on the Foundation's behalf).


>> Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or
>>> she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :)
>>>
>>
>> to most bona fide users this is actually very much a  :-(


From pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com  Wed Jun 28 04:39:00 2017
From: pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com (leaky wiki)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:39:00 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] EditorsGroup <---- why was this guy not rejected
 like all the rest ?
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmoa4z2fhnPL3ZJom_6TceCv3dpvUsYAy=KpT1x42mu-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9366a6f-ec4b-5b36-eb6e-d784a1ef189d@hulha.net>
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Message-ID: <oivq0i$omo$1@blaine.gmane.org>


How come this guy was neither rejected nor to perform little
hoop-jumping tricks, like the admins do when it pleases them ?


Did he had to pay a bribe or what ?  ;-)





Chris Angelico:
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Raymond Hulha <ray at hulha.net> wrote:
>> Hello pydotorg,
>>
>> I would like to be added to the EditorsGroup
>>
>> account name:
>>
>> RayH
> 
> Go for it!
> 
> ChrisA
> 



From firefox at firemail.cc  Wed Jun 28 04:57:51 2017
From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:57:51 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Steve Holden's arguments don't hold water.
In-Reply-To: <oivph5$thd$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <oivph5$thd$1@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <oivr29$6ah$1@blaine.gmane.org>


> Not many editors fall for such a cheap trick though.


most are being rejected of course.


From nobody at remailer.paranoici.org  Wed Jun 28 04:10:05 2017
From: nobody at remailer.paranoici.org (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:10:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [pydotorg-www] hey guys, let me volunteer ! yes ?
Message-ID: <d40a4faf7622e31951f19e9e4fd7d96a@remailer.paranoici.org>

or do you not want new people improving things ?

From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Jun 28 10:13:30 2017
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:30 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] hey guys, let me volunteer ! yes ?
In-Reply-To: <d40a4faf7622e31951f19e9e4fd7d96a@remailer.paranoici.org>
References: <d40a4faf7622e31951f19e9e4fd7d96a@remailer.paranoici.org>
Message-ID: <CADmzSSjKaT8-t6pBE+YUA+-kD4vMFOZBy5f2JEwoUX2n+bAJTg@mail.gmail.com>

I suggest we let people say what they want.  We don't really have much
choice given the nature and point of this list.

I also suggest not replying to someone who isn't listening.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:10 AM, Anonymous <nobody at remailer.paranoici.org>
wrote:

> or do you not want new people improving things ?
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>



-- 
Carl K
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From Bahama at Mama.kingston  Fri Jun 30 05:39:45 2017
From: Bahama at Mama.kingston (Bahama at Mama.kingston)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:39:45 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] I would like a wiki editor account.
Message-ID: <2b5d999b0e842b8194e8951934256dc2@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>

Can you give me editor access to the wiki, please ?

Or have you quit the job, maybe? Is the wiki still a collaborative site
or just for a select few?


From tritium-list at sdamon.com  Fri Jun 30 04:58:02 2017
From: tritium-list at sdamon.com (Alex Walters)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 04:58:02 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Do we need the admonition about Itanium processors?
Message-ID: <0d4201d2f17e$fb3b3360$f1b19a20$@sdamon.com>

On the download page on python.org, all the windows 64 bit downloads have a
note stating that the download is not for Itanium processors.
https://i.imgur.com/A05oQmp.png (Image for illustration)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Market_share

I am not sure that it's entirely required to make the admonition, as there
are just not that many Itanium machines in the wild (compared to arm or a
flavor of x86).  I'm not going to say that stating that they are not for
Itanium is bad, but I don't think it's something we need to do, especially
since the download link even says "X86-64".

Perhaps in the future, don't include the note?  Or do, this is just a
thought I had while looking at the download page.