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ChrisA From john at johnpatrick.com Sun Jun 4 12:09:19 2017 From: john at johnpatrick.com (John Patrick) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:09:19 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Starting a new page with a question Message-ID: I am a newbie and want to ask a question about how to write a short python script. I don't see how to create a new page for this. My username is JohnPatrick. Thanks. John Patrick johnpatrick.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mats at wichmann.us Sun Jun 4 12:43:07 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:43:07 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Starting a new page with a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d4ef6fa-5b3f-310d-10ac-ea028660352d@wichmann.us> On 06/04/2017 10:09 AM, John Patrick wrote: > I am a newbie and want to ask a question about how to write a short python > script. I don't see how to create a new page for this. My username is > JohnPatrick. Thanks. If your objective is to ask a question and get some possible answers, you might try the tutor mailing list. Not sure how effective a wiki page is at generating feedback. On the other hand, if you are seeking to document your voyage of discovery about this question, it might make more sense. From dsagal at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:35:55 2017 From: dsagal at gmail.com (Dmitry Sagalovskiy) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:35:55 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Proposed edits from new user Message-ID: Dear admins, I created a new account, user name "DmitryS". I'd like to add information to a couple of pages related to Python sandboxing efforts about a relevant project. To https://wiki.python.org/moin/SandboxedPython, I would like to edit Reactions to add my comment: We created a project https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox to run Python in a > NativeClient OS-level sandbox. It makes it easy to install (root not > required), works cross-platform, supports native modules, and allows > configuring read/write access to specific directories to serve as the > in-sandbox filesystem root. We use it at Grist Labs, but would love to know > if there is wider interest and to get feedback. > And to here: https://wiki.python.org/moin/Asking%20for%20Help/How%20can%20I%20run%20an%20untrusted%20Python%20script%20safely%20%28i.e.%20Sandbox%29 I suggest using https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox, Python in a NativeClient > (NaCL) sandbox. NaCL is the best project I know of to run native code in a > sandbox, which is what the question is asking for. We created Pynbox to > make it easy to install and run Python under NaCL, including ability to use > native modules. Building new native modules is more involved, but there are > instructions and an example. > Thank you! Dmitry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We use it at Grist Labs, > but would love to know if there is wider interest and to get feedback. > > > And to here: > https://wiki.python.org/moin/Asking%20for%20Help/How%20can%20I%20run%20an%20untrusted%20Python%20script%20safely%20%28i.e.%20Sandbox%29 > > I suggest using https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox, Python in a > NativeClient (NaCL) sandbox. NaCL is the best project I know of to > run native code in a sandbox, which is what the question is asking > for. We created Pynbox to make it easy to install and run Python > under NaCL, including ability to use native modules. Building new > native modules is more involved, but there are instructions and an > example. > > > Thank you! > > Dmitry > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jun 06 2017) >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From dsagal at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 17:26:31 2017 From: dsagal at gmail.com (Dmitry Sagalovskiy) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 17:26:31 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Proposed edits from new user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cool, thank you! On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 3:13 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Nice. I made you an editor now. Happy editing ! > > On 06.06.2017 18:35, Dmitry Sagalovskiy wrote: > > Dear admins, > > > > I created a new account, user name "DmitryS". I'd like to add > > information to a couple of pages related to Python sandboxing efforts > > about a relevant project. > > > > To https://wiki.python.org/moin/SandboxedPython, I would like to edit > > Reactions to add my comment: > > > > We created a project https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox to run Python > > in a NativeClient OS-level sandbox. It makes it easy to install > > (root not required), works cross-platform, supports native modules, > > and allows configuring read/write access to specific directories to > > serve as the in-sandbox filesystem root. We use it at Grist Labs, > > but would love to know if there is wider interest and to get > feedback. > > > > > > And to here: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/Asking%20for%20Help/How%20can% > 20I%20run%20an%20untrusted%20Python%20script%20safely%20% > 28i.e.%20Sandbox%29 > > > > I suggest using https://github.com/dsagal/pynbox, Python in a > > NativeClient (NaCL) sandbox. NaCL is the best project I know of to > > run native code in a sandbox, which is what the question is asking > > for. We created Pynbox to make it easy to install and run Python > > under NaCL, including ability to use native modules. Building new > > native modules is more involved, but there are instructions and an > > example. > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Dmitry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pydotorg-www mailing list > > pydotorg-www at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jun 06 2017) > >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ > >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: > > eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. 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S Steve Holden On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Laura Romano wrote: > Hi, > > I was on this page of your site recently - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ > irc, when I noticed that one of the resources you mentioned isn't online. > Here is the dead page - http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/, 'IRC > specifications'. > > I found it whilst doing some research for our ultimate guide to Internet > Chat Relay (IRC) which has just been published and might make a good > replacement if you are updating the page. > > Here's the link - http://wiht.link/IRC-tutorial. > > Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. > > Best, > Laura > > > If you'd rather not hear from us in future, please reply with unsubscribe > in the subject line. > WhoIsHostingThis, BM Box 3667, Old Gloucester Street London, WC1N 3XX, > United Kingdom > _______________________________________________ > Webmaster mailing list > Webmaster at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/webmaster > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This all seems out of our hands anyway... there's a broken link on irchelp.org, which is pointed to by the PyPi entry for the irc package, which if it wants to reference the IRC RFC it should just do so directly (e.g. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459)... so it's not even the PyPi site content itself, but contributed package-specific content.... > > On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Laura Romano wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I was on this page of your site recently - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ >> irc, when I noticed that one of the resources you mentioned isn't online. >> Here is the dead page - http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/, 'IRC >> specifications'. From regal2u at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 19:43:12 2017 From: regal2u at gmail.com (Hua Tian) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 07:43:12 +0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki Message-ID: hi host master, I have registered on request to add my name - HuaTian on https://wiki.python.org/moin/EditorsGroup Thanks a lot! -- ?? 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ChrisA From regal2u at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 07:39:40 2017 From: regal2u at gmail.com (Hua Tian) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 19:39:40 +0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi Chris, thanks for your quick reply! I only try to create https://wiki.python.org/moin/HuaTian , actually I'm setting moinmoin for myself site http://wiki.nanjinglug.org/Main , but it's suffered spamming by robots, so I need strengthen the registration and editing policy, then I hope I could learn from your site. :) Regards, Hua On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Hua Tian wrote: > > hi host master, > > > > I have registered on request to add my name - HuaTian on > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/EditorsGroup > > > > Thanks a lot! > > Hi! What are you planning to change on the home page? Or is it on some > other page (which?)? > > ChrisA > -- ?? ( plutoid.th ) Linux Fan && MountainCycle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosuav at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 07:43:16 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 21:43:16 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Hua Tian wrote: > thanks for your quick reply! > I only try to create https://wiki.python.org/moin/HuaTian , actually I'm > setting moinmoin for myself site http://wiki.nanjinglug.org/Main , but it's > suffered spamming by robots, so I need strengthen the registration and > editing policy, then I hope I could learn from your site. :) > Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :) All you have to do is set pages to be read-only by default, and have an editors group that lists the accounts that have permission to make changes. ChrisA From delight at safrica.com Sun Jun 11 18:46:37 2017 From: delight at safrica.com (=?utf-8?Q?THE=20KENYA=20CYBER=20SECURITY=20=26=20ETHICAL=20HAC?= =?utf-8?Q?KING=20SEMINAR22-23=20JUNE=202017,KSMS,=20NAIROBI?= =?utf-8?Q?=20=20KENYA?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:46:37 +0300 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?q?ATTEND=3A_THE_KENYA_CYBER_SECURITY_=26_?= =?utf-8?q?ETHICAL_HACKING_SEMINAR_22-23_JUNE_2017=2CKSMS=2C_NAIROB?= =?utf-8?q?I_KENYA?= Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan1990 at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 23:24:45 2017 From: dan1990 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Dan_S=C3=B8ndergaard?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:24:45 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Dead links for Danish local user groups Message-ID: Hi, I wish to edit the wiki to remove the two links listed here: https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Denmark The first link (http://pycon.dk/) directs the user to a site which offer ?breast enhancements?, among other things. The second link points to a non-existent Google Group. To my knowledge, there (unfortunately) is no Danish user group at the moment. Thanks! Sincerely, Dan S?ndergaard From dan1990 at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 01:15:29 2017 From: dan1990 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Dan_S=C3=B8ndergaard?=) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:15:29 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Dead links for Danish local user groups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79786F28-AC09-471C-8A6F-58CC5BA1DE9E@gmail.com> Forgot my username, it?s: DanSondergaard - Dan > On 12 Jun 2017, at 13.24, Dan S?ndergaard wrote: > > Hi, > > I wish to edit the wiki to remove the two links listed here: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Denmark > > The first link (http://pycon.dk/) directs the user to a site which offer ?breast enhancements?, among other things. The second link points to a non-existent Google Group. > > To my knowledge, there (unfortunately) is no Danish user group at the moment. > > Thanks! > > Sincerely, > Dan S?ndergaard From rosuav at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 01:26:49 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:26:49 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Dead links for Danish local user groups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Dan S?ndergaard wrote: > I wish to edit the wiki to remove the two links listed here: > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Denmark > > The first link (http://pycon.dk/) directs the user to a site which offer ?breast enhancements?, among other things. The second link points to a non-existent Google Group. > > To my knowledge, there (unfortunately) is no Danish user group at the moment. > Forgot my username, it?s: DanSondergaard Thanks for the additional info. I've made you an editor. Thank you for helping eradicate link rot. ChrisA From steve at holdenweb.com Tue Jun 13 11:46:44 2017 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:46:44 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Webmaster] Sending Lossless optimized PNG files from www.python.org In-Reply-To: <20170612214231.Horde.52fi1l6wwpHTSNlf1oTIUeI@mail.sapo.pt> References: <20170612214231.Horde.52fi1l6wwpHTSNlf1oTIUeI@mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: I pass this on in case it's of use to the site. Not sure exactly how much scrutiny is required for content from a completely unknown (?) source? Perhaps he'd share his techniques? S Steve Holden ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:42 PM Subject: [Webmaster] Sending Lossless optimized PNG files from www.python.org To: webmaster at python.org Hi, I'm sending lossless optimized versions of all PNG files found on www.python.org (/images, /m, /static). The space savings range from ~.23 -- ~93%. 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Forgot user name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48c8298f8fb5c5d187702549ec170e3d@tuxfamily.org> Hi fellow python coders! I would like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/StaticSiteGenerator in order to add mine there https://github.com/DenisSalem/VenC Thank you in advance :) Edit: The user name is Denis Salem From denissalem at tuxfamily.org Sat Jun 17 15:42:33 2017 From: denissalem at tuxfamily.org (denissalem at tuxfamily.org) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:42:33 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request permission to edit StaticSiteGenerator Message-ID: Hi fellow python coders! I would like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/StaticSiteGenerator in order to add mine there https://github.com/DenisSalem/VenC Thank you in advance :) From rosuav at gmail.com Sat Jun 17 16:01:08 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 06:01:08 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request permission to edit StaticSiteGenerator | oups... Forgot user name In-Reply-To: <48c8298f8fb5c5d187702549ec170e3d@tuxfamily.org> References: <48c8298f8fb5c5d187702549ec170e3d@tuxfamily.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 5:48 AM, wrote: > Hi fellow python coders! > > I would like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/StaticSiteGenerator in > order to add mine there https://github.com/DenisSalem/VenC > > Thank you in advance :) > > Edit: The user name is Denis Salem Thanks, the user name is critical :) Editing access is granted. ChrisA From berenger at bioreg.kyushu-u.ac.jp Mon Jun 19 22:00:31 2017 From: berenger at bioreg.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Francois BERENGER) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:00:31 +0900 Subject: [pydotorg-www] suggested edits to https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages Message-ID: Hello, Pycaml is no more maintained. Modern solutions are pyml or lymp. package: pyml upstream-url: http://pyml.gforge.inria.fr/ package: lymp upstream-url: https://github.com/dbousque/lymp/ Regards, F. From Barry.Martin at mytmc.com Tue Jun 20 08:09:09 2017 From: Barry.Martin at mytmc.com (Barry Martin) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:09:09 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group Message-ID: Hi, My name is Barry Martin. I started a python user group in New Jersey. We have 20 members now. I signed up on the wiki but cannot edit the local user group page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups . Can I be granted rights to edit the page or alternatively can someone add the local user group to the page? South Jersey Python User Group https://www.meetup.com/South-Jersey-Python-User-Group/ Barry V. Martin | Report Developer TMC, a division of C.H. 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Can I be granted rights to edit the page or alternatively can someone add the local user group to the page? > > South Jersey Python User Group > https://www.meetup.com/South-Jersey-Python-User-Group/ > > > > Barry V. Martin If you supply your wiki name, someone can add you. The current scheme (send an email like you did to indicate you're a human with good intentions) is a mild spam-protection layer we had to put in. From mats at wichmann.us Tue Jun 20 10:30:09 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:30:09 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] suggested edits to https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/19/2017 08:00 PM, Francois BERENGER wrote: > Hello, > > Pycaml is no more maintained. > > Modern solutions are pyml or lymp. > > package: pyml > upstream-url: http://pyml.gforge.inria.fr/ > > package: lymp > upstream-url: https://github.com/dbousque/lymp/ > > Regards, > F. If you send in your wiki account name, someone can add you as an editor to be able to update the page. From Barry.Martin at mytmc.com Tue Jun 20 10:32:08 2017 From: Barry.Martin at mytmc.com (Barry Martin) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:32:08 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com> Hi Mats, My wiki name is 'Barry Martin' Barry V. Martin? | Report Developer TMC, a division of C.H. Robinson mobile (856) 217-0875 barry.martin at mytmc.com | www.mytmc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mats Wichmann [mailto:mats at wichmann.us] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:29 AM To: Barry Martin ; 'pydotorg-www at python.org' Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] user group On 06/20/2017 06:09 AM, Barry Martin wrote: > Hi, > My name is Barry Martin. I started a python user group in New Jersey. We have 20 members now. I signed up on the wiki but cannot edit the local user group page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups . Can I be granted rights to edit the page or alternatively can someone add the local user group to the page? > > South Jersey Python User Group > https://www.meetup.com/South-Jersey-Python-User-Group/ > > > > Barry V. Martin If you supply your wiki name, someone can add you. The current scheme (send an email like you did to indicate you're a human with good intentions) is a mild spam-protection layer we had to put in. ************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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(IP) ************************************************************************************************************************* From mats at wichmann.us Tue Jun 20 10:35:42 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:35:42 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Link broken on Integration Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f529359-8127-181d-c49e-4a2535492232@wichmann.us> On 04/26/2017 07:36 AM, Christian Trenkwalder wrote: > Hi, > the link on the page > https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages > to the project RSPython > Is pointing to http://www.omegahat.org/RSPython witch seems to be fraud, > I guess http://www.omegahat.net/RSPython/ is the correct page. > > Kind regards > Christian Trenkwalder Just found this message while sorting my inbox looking for something else - looks like everybody missed your note, which nonetheless is appreciated! I've made the adjustment, which looked right. In future if you want to make changes, let us know with your wiki name. From mats at wichmann.us Tue Jun 20 10:48:26 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:48:26 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group In-Reply-To: <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com> References: <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com> Message-ID: On 06/20/2017 08:32 AM, Barry Martin wrote: > Hi Mats, > My wiki name is 'Barry Martin' hmmm, the instructions say: "using the format FirstnameLastname to avoid issues - please don't use spaces in the name" I'm not sure if that means a name with spaces won't work, or is just not preferred - I'll wait for someone else to pipe up. From Barry.Martin at mytmc.com Tue Jun 20 10:56:07 2017 From: Barry.Martin at mytmc.com (Barry Martin) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:56:07 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group In-Reply-To: References: <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com> Message-ID: That's my clear stupidity, or lack of awareness. I apologize. I just created a new login 'BarryMartin'. Barry V. Martin? | Report Developer TMC, a division of C.H. Robinson mobile (856) 217-0875 barry.martin at mytmc.com | www.mytmc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mats Wichmann [mailto:mats at wichmann.us] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:48 AM To: Barry Martin ; 'pydotorg-www at python.org' Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] user group On 06/20/2017 08:32 AM, Barry Martin wrote: > Hi Mats, > My wiki name is 'Barry Martin' hmmm, the instructions say: "using the format FirstnameLastname to avoid issues - please don't use spaces in the name" I'm not sure if that means a name with spaces won't work, or is just not preferred - I'll wait for someone else to pipe up. ************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the sender of the e-mail. The sender of the e-mail accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. (IP) ************************************************************************************************************************* From mats at wichmann.us Tue Jun 20 10:58:49 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:58:49 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group In-Reply-To: References: <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com> Message-ID: <1560ba32-bdc9-88d6-597a-2e4a32b47d01@wichmann.us> On 06/20/2017 08:56 AM, Barry Martin wrote: > That's my clear stupidity, or lack of awareness. I apologize. I just created a new login 'BarryMartin'. added. looking at the editors list, there are a number of others with spaces so we probably don't have that note in the right place, and it probably doesn't actually hurt anything. Sorry for the extra hoop I tossed for you ;) From Barry.Martin at mytmc.com Tue Jun 20 11:01:15 2017 From: Barry.Martin at mytmc.com (Barry Martin) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:01:15 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] user group In-Reply-To: <1560ba32-bdc9-88d6-597a-2e4a32b47d01@wichmann.us> References: <03f6dd4e0c864c73a1aff1a8962d9a7d@CHR2PR1EX70.chrobinson.com> <1560ba32-bdc9-88d6-597a-2e4a32b47d01@wichmann.us> Message-ID: Thank you for your attentiveness. This is why the python community is the best. Take care Barry V. Martin? | Report Developer TMC, a division of C.H. Robinson mobile (856) 217-0875 barry.martin at mytmc.com | www.mytmc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mats Wichmann [mailto:mats at wichmann.us] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:59 AM To: Barry Martin ; 'pydotorg-www at python.org' Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] user group On 06/20/2017 08:56 AM, Barry Martin wrote: > That's my clear stupidity, or lack of awareness. I apologize. I just created a new login 'BarryMartin'. added. looking at the editors list, there are a number of others with spaces so we probably don't have that note in the right place, and it probably doesn't actually hurt anything. Sorry for the extra hoop I tossed for you ;) ************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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URL: From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 03:00:00 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (firefox) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:00:00 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too Message-ID: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> hello ChrisA, FirFoxxx here. Editing pages Since spamming and vandalism on this wiki has reached a level that is starting to require daily intervention, new users are no longer allowed to edit pages. If you want to edit a page and have just signed up, or you find that you can no longer edit a page that you could edit before, please write to the pydotorg-www mailing list, stating your account name and your intended edits and we'll add you to the EditorsGroup. Sorry for the inconvenience, but we want to keep this wiki a useful tool for the community, while at the same time need to prevent wiki admin burnout effects. ###### account name: FirFoxxx intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage Let me also say, that the above "clampdown on wiki spam" - while seemingly ongoing for years - might itself have or have not contributed to "keeping this wiki a useful tool for the community". Users, you decide! ;-) Is it still only a "mild inconvenience"?O:-) From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 03:07:46 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (firefox) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:07:46 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too Message-ID: hello ChrisA, and Marc-Andre, FirFoxxx here. "Editing pages Since spamming and vandalism on this wiki has reached a level that is starting to require daily intervention, new users are no longer allowed to edit pages. If you want to edit a page and have just signed up, or you find that you can no longer edit a page that you could edit before, please write to the pydotorg-www mailing list, stating your account name and your intended edits and we'll add you to the EditorsGroup. Sorry for the inconvenience, but we want to keep this wiki a useful tool for the community, while at the same time need to prevent wiki admin burnout effects." ___________________________________________________________________________ account name: FirFoxxx intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage Let me also say, that the above "clampdown on wiki spam" - while seemingly ongoing for years - might itself have or have not contributed to "keeping this wiki a useful tool for the community". Users, you decide! ;-) Is it still only a "mild inconvenience" ? Greetings, FF. From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 17:15:08 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:15:08 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki - anti-robot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11.06.2017 13:43, Chris Angelico wrote: > Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or > she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :) to most bona fide users this is actually very much a :-( > All you have to > do is set pages to be read-only by default, and have an editors group > that lists the accounts that have permission to make changes. > > ChrisA I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ? If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 18:04:02 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:04:02 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?4pyo8J+NsOKcqCBVbmFibGUgdG8gdXNlIG15?= =?utf-8?b?IGFjY291bnQgdG8gZWRpdCB0aGUgd2lraSDinKjwn42w4pyo?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 25.05.2017 18:50, Paul Hildebrandt wrote: > I would like to put my hat in the ring for the PSF board but am unable > to make changes to the wiki. Can my account: > paul_hildebrandt at yahoo.com > have > its password reset? I've tried the password reset several times to no > luck. I wonder if the wiki had ever worked. ??? It took me about 23 times to get anywhere, just to find out that there has been total restriction of users for ages, who can essentially do _nothing_ on the py-wiki after they put in all the hard work to get registered. From mal at python.org Mon Jun 26 18:06:32 2017 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:06:32 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too In-Reply-To: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> Message-ID: On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote: > account name: FirFoxxx > > intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage Please be more specific about your intended edits. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Jun 26 18:07:49 2017 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:07:49 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki - anti-robot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: AS a no-more-then-tangential reply I will point out in the defence of anyone who might be held responsible for not "plan[ning] to mitigate this dire situation," that the site content is maintained entirely by volunteers. It's possible that our current approach won't scale, but it's equally likely that there is much more relevant and recent content is available from other sources. I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused. Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough interest to want to help. If you feel like organising a crew of willing volunteers to help curate and maintain the content I'll be happy to introduce you to PSF people who might be willing to support such a venture (though I can make no commitment on the Foundation's behalf). regards Steve Steve Holden On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Fox wrote: > On 11.06.2017 13:43, Chris Angelico wrote: > > Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or >> she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :) >> > > to most bona fide users this is actually very much a :-( > > > All you have to >> do is set pages to be read-only by default, and have an editors group >> that lists the accounts that have permission to make changes. >> >> ChrisA >> > > I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. > > How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the quality > (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ? > > If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 18:08:17 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:08:17 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 00:06, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote: >> account name: FirFoxxx >> >> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage > > Please be more specific about your intended edits. > > Thanks, > well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links. why do you not autoremove all dead links ? From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Jun 26 18:13:00 2017 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:13:00 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:08 PM, Fox wrote: > why do you not autoremove all dead links ? > ?Because it takes more than zero effort to doso, and effort is in short supply. S? Steve Holden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 18:21:29 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:21:29 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> Message-ID: > why do you not autoremove all dead links ? > > > ?Because it takes more than zero effort to doso, and effort is in short > supply. Obviously, from reading the wiki. And "effort supply" will stay low as long as your restrictions are in place. Ought be quite obvious as well. From mal at python.org Mon Jun 26 18:25:51 2017 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:25:51 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> Message-ID: <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> On 27.06.2017 00:08, Fox wrote: > On 27.06.2017 00:06, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote: >>> account name: FirFoxxx >>> >>> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage >> >> Please be more specific about your intended edits. >> >> Thanks, >> > > > well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links. In what way do you intend to improve it ? > why do you not autoremove all dead links ? Moin doesn't have such a feature, AFAIK. It's also not clear whether this would really help - often enough dead links can still be made to work by going via archive.org, so automatically removing them would result in loss of information. A better solution would be to try to make the link work again or replace it with an updated one. This requires editors willing to contribute their time. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 18:29:23 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:29:23 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too In-Reply-To: <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> Message-ID: >>>> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage >>> >>> Please be more specific about your intended edits. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >> >> >> well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links. > > In what way do you intend to improve it ? > >> why do you not autoremove all dead links ? > > Moin doesn't have such a feature, AFAIK. > > It's also not clear whether this would really help - often enough dead > links can still be made to work by going via archive.org, so > automatically removing them would result in loss of information. > > A better solution would be to try to make the link work again > or replace it with an updated one. This requires editors willing > to contribute their time. So what are you waiting for ? Grant me editorship! From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 18:34:05 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:34:05 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?4pyo8J+NsOKcqCBmb3IgZXZlcnlvbmUgc2Vl?= =?utf-8?q?king_a_COOL_wiki_with_no_reg_fuss_like_this_one_=E2=9C=A8?= =?utf-8?b?8J+NsOKcqA==?= Message-ID: no reg, no nothing, just go ahead with productive stuff: https://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python ??? python - a piece of cake ??? add source code like: {{{ print ("oh yes") }}} From mal at python.org Mon Jun 26 18:04:18 2017 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:04:18 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki - anti-robot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 26.06.2017 23:15, Fox wrote: > On 11.06.2017 13:43, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or >> she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :) > > to most bona fide users this is actually very much a :-( > > >> All you have to >> do is set pages to be read-only by default, and have an editors group >> that lists the accounts that have permission to make changes. >> >> ChrisA > > I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. > > How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the > quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ? > > If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've tried, this is by far the most successful one. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 18:41:05 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:41:05 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki - anti-robot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. >> >> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the >> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ? >> >> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? > > We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've > tried, this is by far the most successful one. The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed. Keep up the good work! ;-) From mal at python.org Mon Jun 26 18:51:34 2017 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:51:34 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki - anti-robot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <514c1927-dc4f-c080-0090-8648352e9b78@python.org> On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote: > >>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. >>> >>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the >>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ? >>> >>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? >> >> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've >> tried, this is by far the most successful one. > > > The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed. > > Keep up the good work! ;-) Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but I think we're better off not making you an editor today. How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ? Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:01:02 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:01:02 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mr Lemburg rejected request for wiki - editorship, just so not anybody claims it never happened (again). In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 00:07, Steve Holden wrote: > I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused. > Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of > sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough > interest to want to help. How good is your memory anyway? I was refused editorship today. When read your line: "I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused." , I knew what was in store. Keep up the "good work", folks. You know what I'm talking about. From mats at wichmann.us Mon Jun 26 19:04:42 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 17:04:42 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki - anti-robot In-Reply-To: <514c1927-dc4f-c080-0090-8648352e9b78@python.org> References: <514c1927-dc4f-c080-0090-8648352e9b78@python.org> Message-ID: <6f71b7d7-d125-19b3-2e56-61c80c246f03@wichmann.us> On 06/26/2017 04:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote: >> >>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. >>>> >>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the >>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ? >>>> >>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? >>> >>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've >>> tried, this is by far the most successful one. >> >> >> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed. >> >> Keep up the good work! ;-) > > Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but > I think we're better off not making you an editor today. > > How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work > and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ? I'll add two bits here ("two bits" being an Americanism for what once was, but no longer is a particularly valuable coin) that: - the wiki was clearly worse quality when edits were not slightly restricted, because pages kept getting splattered with auto-added debris full of links some might call unsavory and nobody would argue were "off topic" - "dead links" has been a bit of a sensitive topic, as many times people reporting them have submitted alternatives which point to a site which accrue some financial benefit to the reporter rather than really providing a true open alternative. - ranting at and offending the maintainers usually has an effect... just consider your own reaction if the roles were reversed. As MAL says... make a couple of more specific proposals, and we'll see. From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:09:39 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:09:39 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] hypocrisy In-Reply-To: <6f71b7d7-d125-19b3-2e56-61c80c246f03@wichmann.us> References: <514c1927-dc4f-c080-0090-8648352e9b78@python.org> <6f71b7d7-d125-19b3-2e56-61c80c246f03@wichmann.us> Message-ID: > - the wiki was clearly worse quality when edits were not slightly > restricted, because pages kept getting splattered with auto-added debris > full of links some might call unsavory and nobody would argue were "off > topic" > > - "dead links" has been a bit of a sensitive topic, as many times people > reporting them have submitted alternatives which point to a site which > accrue some financial benefit to the reporter rather than really > providing a true open alternative. > > - ranting at and offending the maintainers usually has an effect... just > consider your own reaction if the roles were reversed. > > As MAL says... make a couple of more specific proposals, and we'll see. we'll see indeed. Currently you have just proven how you drive the wiki into the quality abyss. The pythonista will be grateful for that. ??? From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:06:04 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:06:04 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejection by Mr Lemburg : editor of python wiki In-Reply-To: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 00:51, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote: >> >>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. >>>> >>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the >>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ? >>>> >>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? >>> >>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've >>> tried, this is by far the most successful one. >> >> >> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed. >> >> Keep up the good work! ;-) > > Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but > I think we're better off not making you an editor today. > > How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work > and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ? > > Thanks, Dude, why so shy ? Just go ahead with how you usually do it. From steve at holdenweb.com Mon Jun 26 19:12:48 2017 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:12:48 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejection by Mr Lemburg : editor of python wiki In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> Message-ID: Just, wow. S Steve Holden On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Fox wrote: > On 27.06.2017 00:51, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote: > >> > >>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. > >>>> > >>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the > >>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ? > >>>> > >>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? > >>> > >>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've > >>> tried, this is by far the most successful one. > >> > >> > >> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed. > >> > >> Keep up the good work! ;-) > > > > Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but > > I think we're better off not making you an editor today. > > > > How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work > > and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ? > > > > Thanks, > > > Dude, why so shy ? > > Just go ahead with how you usually do it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosuav at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 19:13:32 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:13:32 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mr Lemburg rejected request for wiki - editorship, just so not anybody claims it never happened (again). In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Fox wrote: > On 27.06.2017 00:07, Steve Holden wrote: > >> I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused. >> Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of >> sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough interest >> to want to help. > > > > > How good is your memory anyway? I was refused editorship today. > > > When read your line: "I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions > being refused." , I knew what was in store. > > > Keep up the "good work", folks. You know what I'm talking about. Any non-troll non-spammer. We frequently reject or ignore straight-up spam; but legitimate good-faith requests are not refused. In my opinion, this trend has yet to be broken. ChrisA From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:14:23 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:14:23 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?4pyo8J+NsOKcqCBmb3IgZXZlcnlvbmUgc2Vl?= =?utf-8?q?king_a_COOL_wiki_with_no_reg_fuss_like_this_one_=E2=9C=A8?= =?utf-8?b?8J+NsOKcqA==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's hope that there will be none of the "maintenance" over there, of the type we had to witness in the py-wiki. :-( From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:15:56 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:15:56 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Mr Lemburg rejected request for wiki - editorship, just so not anybody claims it never happened (again). In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 01:13, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Fox wrote: >> On 27.06.2017 00:07, Steve Holden wrote: >> >>> I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused. >>> Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of >>> sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough interest >>> to want to help. >> >> >> >> >> How good is your memory anyway? I was refused editorship today. >> >> >> When read your line: "I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions >> being refused." , I knew what was in store. >> >> >> Keep up the "good work", folks. You know what I'm talking about. > > Any non-troll non-spammer. We frequently reject or ignore straight-up > spam; but legitimate good-faith requests are not refused. > > In my opinion, this trend has yet to be broken. > > ChrisA In my opinion, you must be either a hypocrite or a liar. From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:17:32 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:17:32 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejection by Mr Lemburg : editor of python wiki In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 01:12, Steve Holden wrote: > Just, wow. S > > Steve Holden see? I am such a polite guy. > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Fox > > wrote: > > On 27.06.2017 00 :51, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > On 27.06.2017 00 :41, Fox wrote: > >> > >>>> I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone. > >>>> > >>>> How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the > >>>> quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the > wiki ? > >>>> > >>>> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? > >>> > >>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've > >>> tried, this is by far the most successful one. > >> > >> > >> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, > indeed. > >> > >> Keep up the good work! ;-) > > > > Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but > > I think we're better off not making you an editor today. > > > > How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work > > and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ? > > > > Thanks, > > > Dude, why so shy ? > > Just go ahead with how you usually do it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > > > > > From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:27:39 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:27:39 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejection-troll Lemburg: "legitimate good-faith requests are not refused." Message-ID: rejection-troll Lemburg: "legitimate good-faith requests are not [being] refused." Truth or lie ? pythonista, you decide ! Holden: "I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused." That one did not last 24 hrs, surprisingly. ;-) From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:20:13 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:20:13 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] the no bs wiki: practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python Message-ID: https://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? A real wiki. Not a "wiki, so-called", like you find them littered all around planet py. From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 19:35:46 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:35:46 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] total restricion policy since 2013 uninterrupted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 00:04, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ? > > We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've > tried, this is by far the most successful one. afaik you stick that total restricion policy since 2013 uninterrupted or longer. So, I presume you only had 2 strategies and never reevaluated after 2013. Correct ? From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 20:02:19 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:02:19 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let's be honest: the py wiki is a *** disgrace Message-ID: poor quality content, next to no redactions worth speaking of, tons of dead links and an iron-fist rejection approach against all new users who must first lick some boot or do whatever. Ask the Arch-Linux wiki people whether they want to adopt this "most successful" (quoting rejection troll Lemburg) policy. Maybe you believe _them_ more than the voice of reason. From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 20:20:29 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:20:29 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] key point - lest I forget In-Reply-To: <6f71b7d7-d125-19b3-2e56-61c80c246f03@wichmann.us> References: <514c1927-dc4f-c080-0090-8648352e9b78@python.org> <6f71b7d7-d125-19b3-2e56-61c80c246f03@wichmann.us> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 01:04, Mats Wichmann wrote: > - ranting at and offending the maintainers usually has an effect... just > consider your own reaction if the roles were reversed. what the disingenuous admins around here fail to acknowledge, of course, is the fact that due to the broken registration procedure - which I believe is being kept broken deliberately by them - the editor rejection rate may be low in absolute terms, since 85% of possible future editors will simply go away for proper wikis and never look back, once they find out about how the admins run this py "wiki". They * take a look into the log, * briefly look at the "policies" and * run like hostages. And those 85% helping out the good wikis instead are doing the right thing, of course. From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 20:29:18 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:29:18 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?4pyo8J+NsOKcqCBmb3IgZXZlcnlvbmUgc2Vl?= =?utf-8?q?king_a_COOL_wiki_with_no_reg_fuss_like_this_one_=E2=9C=A8?= =?utf-8?b?8J+NsOKcqCBwcmFjdGljYWwtc2NoZW1lLm5ldC93aWxpa2kvd2lsaWtpLmNn?= =?utf-8?q?i=3Fpython?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > https://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python > link reposted since the "ml" censored it From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 20:40:31 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:40:31 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] take his word for it? In-Reply-To: References: <454164006.544247.1475734692765.JavaMail.zimbra@unseen.is> Message-ID: On 06.10.2016 08:42, Chris Angelico wrote: > Copyeditors are _always_ welcome. Thank you for offering to contribute! > > ChrisA Should we take his word for it? It may be true or not! From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 20:42:19 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:42:19 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] *always* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 04.11.2016 22:38, Chris Angelico wrote: > Sounds like you want to copy-edit? That's *always* welcome - fix any > typos you see, make sure the grammar's correct, test the code > examples, verify links, that kind of thing. > > ChrisA *always* , huh ? can we take your word for it ? Most probably not. :-( From firefox at firemail.cc Mon Jun 26 21:58:05 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 03:58:05 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a "success" Message-ID: For a wiki of the size and reach of the pywiki to attract only ~ 20 new Editors in all of 2017 is an abysmal failure. The people responsible for this disaster are the wiki admins of course (Lemburg et. al.), who run the place as if they were bosses of it and they owned the wiki like a cotton plantation. They run an iron-fist rejection policy ever since 2013. Yet they ignore well founded criticism and want to stick to their disaster plan like the Tory party of GB. It seems more timely than ever to look out for new admins to replace these people as as soon as possible. Anybody throws in his hat? From tritium-list at sdamon.com Mon Jun 26 23:29:03 2017 From: tritium-list at sdamon.com (Alex Walters) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:29:03 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a "success" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com> Can you please stop flooding the list? The spam policy isn't going to change. Yes it sucks that we have to go through this, but we don't have the manpower to handle the spam if we only had automated logins. There are a lot of project wikis that are like this, including postgres and *every single GitHub wiki* by default. If you want to manage the automated spam that besieges wikis around the net, by all means do so. Announce it on psf-community. This list is about the web infrastructure run by the psf. Advertising here isn't helpful, and is a great way to dilute your own point with ill will. > -----Original Message----- > From: pydotorg-www [mailto:pydotorg-www-bounces+tritium- > list=sdamon.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Fox > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:58 PM > To: pydotorg-www at python.org > Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a > "success" > > For a wiki of the size and reach of the pywiki to attract only ~ 20 new > Editors in all of 2017 is an abysmal failure. > > > The people responsible for this disaster are the wiki admins of course > (Lemburg et. al.), who run the place as if they were bosses of it and > they owned the wiki like a cotton plantation. They run an iron-fist > rejection policy ever since 2013. > > > Yet they ignore well founded criticism and want to stick to their > disaster plan like the Tory party of GB. > > It seems more timely than ever to look out for new admins to replace > these people as as soon as possible. > > Anybody throws in his hat? > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www From firefox at firemail.cc Tue Jun 27 00:42:57 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:42:57 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a "success" In-Reply-To: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com> References: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com> Message-ID: I don't know wtf you're talking about. I myself run several github wikis where any regged githuber can write whatever he wants and I never saw a single spam post. Not one. Your argument is as fake as all the Lemburg baloney. Also what do you mean with "advertising" ? You mean, you want to keep every py user hostage to a cr*p wiki and not allow them to see what a real wiki can be like, such as https://practical-scheme.net/wiliki/wiliki.cgi?python ? What kind of control freak are you ? I also challenge you on my earlier point about whether the pywiki would get spammed hard in 2017 again unless maybe it has no anti-spam measures at all, which would raise the question of why you are admins in the first place of such a wiki. On 27.06.2017 05:29, Alex Walters wrote: > Can you please stop flooding the list? > > The spam policy isn't going to change. Yes it sucks that we have to go > through this, but we don't have the manpower to handle the spam if we only > had automated logins. There are a lot of project wikis that are like this, > including postgres and *every single GitHub wiki* by default. > > If you want to manage the automated spam that besieges wikis around the net, > by all means do so. Announce it on psf-community. This list is about the > web infrastructure run by the psf. Advertising here isn't helpful, and is a > great way to dilute your own point with ill will. >> For a wiki of the size and reach of the pywiki to attract only ~ 20 new >> Editors in all of 2017 is an abysmal failure. >> >> >> The people responsible for this disaster are the wiki admins of course >> (Lemburg et. al.), who run the place as if they were bosses of it and >> they owned the wiki like a cotton plantation. They run an iron-fist >> rejection policy ever since 2013. >> >> >> Yet they ignore well founded criticism and want to stick to their >> disaster plan like the Tory party of GB. >> >> It seems more timely than ever to look out for new admins to replace >> these people as as soon as possible. >> >> Anybody throws in his hat? From rosuav at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 00:49:22 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:49:22 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a "success" In-Reply-To: References: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Fox wrote: > I don't know wtf you're talking about. I myself run several github wikis > where any regged githuber can write whatever he wants and I never saw a > single spam post. Not one. Your argument is as fake as all the Lemburg > baloney. Lack of spam often just means nobody cares enough to harass your wiki. And apparently you care enough to harass us about this one. Do you realize that you're only spamming the wiki admins? It's not like sending emails to this list is going to magically inform all Python users or anything. ChrisA From firefox at firemail.cc Tue Jun 27 00:55:54 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:55:54 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a "success" In-Reply-To: References: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com> Message-ID: I'm not "spamming admins", I am leaving a warning posted in here to inform any potential new editor what kind of cotton plantation he made the mistake to subscribe to. From rosuav at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 00:58:09 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:58:09 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] rejecting-troll Lemburg calls 20 new ed in 2017 a "success" In-Reply-To: References: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Fox wrote: > I'm not "spamming admins", I am leaving a warning posted in here to inform > any potential new editor what kind of cotton plantation he made the mistake > to subscribe to. And potential new editors don't read this list. So you're wasting your time and ours. ChrisA From mal at python.org Tue Jun 27 04:09:45 2017 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:09:45 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit Access, too In-Reply-To: <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> Message-ID: <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> On 27.06.2017 00:25, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 27.06.2017 00:08, Fox wrote: >> On 27.06.2017 00:06, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> On 26.06.2017 09:00, firefox wrote: >>>> account name: FirFoxxx >>>> >>>> intended edits: https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule , homepage >>> >>> Please be more specific about your intended edits. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >> >> >> well the article is a disgrace, with 2 dead links. > > In what way do you intend to improve it ? > >> why do you not autoremove all dead links ? > > Moin doesn't have such a feature, AFAIK. > > It's also not clear whether this would really help - often enough dead > links can still be made to work by going via archive.org, so > automatically removing them would result in loss of information. > > A better solution would be to try to make the link work again > or replace it with an updated one. This requires editors willing > to contribute their time. I found a new reference for the Komodo link and removed the console.py one, since the only other package using that name doesn't seem to use the cmd module. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From firefox at firemail.cc Tue Jun 27 06:01:48 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:01:48 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] great find, dude In-Reply-To: <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 10:09, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > I found a new reference for the Komodo link and removed the > console.py one, since the only other package using that name > doesn't seem to use the cmd module. yeah great find. You now must make sure there will be no (new) editor pointing out in the https://wiki.python.org/moin/CmdModule#bottom "Discussion" section, that that listcmd.py of yours just does nothing at all when called. So it fits in perfectly with the rest of the worthless article not providing any useable or helpful .py file on the subject matter. Just keep the wiki quality that low overall and we'll get you people replaced by real admins very soon. From steve at holdenweb.com Tue Jun 27 06:43:49 2017 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:43:49 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] great find, dude In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Fox wrote: > Just keep the wiki quality that low overall and we'll get you people > replaced by real admins very soon. > ?The sooner we get a capable and dedicated team of editors, the better. But I see no signs of one materialising, while the vocal (though often justified) criticism continues. If you are serious about improving the quality of the Wiki ?you would earn the undying thanks of the Python community at large by doing so, and I have already suggested that such a project might be considered for support by the PSF. You are welcome to disapprove of the way things have been done: it's simply the sum total of many individual volunteers' decisions about where they would exert their efforts. I don't think anyone would argue it's perfect, but the PSF isn't an autocratic organisation that can order people to act in particular ways. It relies, as it has since its inception, and as does the Python language itself, on a worldwide network of volunteers. Some of those who have given their service might, perhaps, misunderstand your attempts to help as implying they should not have made the choices they did. ?regards? Steve Holden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From firefox at firemail.cc Tue Jun 27 06:53:11 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:53:11 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] hostile act In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 12:43, Steve Holden wrote: > Some of those who > have given their service might, perhaps, misunderstand your attempts to > help as implying they should not have made the choices they did. the stark contrast between a good wiki like the Arch-Linux wiki and the stuff you have to offer is a result of the choices you mention. Since clearly the good volunteers flock to Arch and shun pywiki, it is not far-fetched to conclude that the iron-fist clampdown against new editors is a huge mistake. Better wikis that your own one will never allow such an hostile act to happen in their wikis. From steve at holdenweb.com Tue Jun 27 07:10:18 2017 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:10:18 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] hostile act In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Fox wrote: > Better wikis that your own one will never allow such an hostile act to > happen in their wikis. > ?Who is this "you" that you ?rail against while appearing to be a member? Steve Holden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From firefox at firemail.cc Tue Jun 27 09:27:47 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:27:47 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] factual and actual editor rejections In-Reply-To: References: <08ef01d2eef5$87ff4f20$97fded60$@sdamon.com> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 06:58, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Fox wrote: >> I'm not "spamming admins", I am leaving a warning posted in here to inform >> any potential new editor what kind of cotton plantation he made the mistake >> to subscribe to. > > And potential new editors don't read this list. So you're wasting your > time and ours. > > ChrisA > forgot , you force them to do it for no reason other than your vanity or whatever your ulteriour motives are to set up such unnecessary burdens for potential bona fide editors ? My posts, too, will have a chilling effect on those, so they will turn elsewhere, and rightly so. The py wiki just is not good enough under the current administration. The admins even won't stick to their word, and instead of being clear about their factual and actual editor rejections, they stay ambiguous so fewer people call the wiki admins "liars". From firefox at firemail.cc Tue Jun 27 09:30:24 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:30:24 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] "race to the bottom" In-Reply-To: <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 10:09, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > I found a new reference for the Komodo link and removed the > console.py one, since the only other package using that name > doesn't seem to use the cmd module. OK if I add a link of your quality level to the wiki, which I can easily do, will you make me an editor like you yourself are one? I mean, you start a "race to the bottom" here! From firefox at firemail.cc Tue Jun 27 09:31:42 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:31:42 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> Message-ID: you wanna put up with this ? From barry at python.org Tue Jun 27 09:54:25 2017 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:54:25 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> Message-ID: <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote: >you wanna put up with this ? Not really. Can we block this guy? -Barry From firefox at firemail.cc Tue Jun 27 10:03:38 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:03:38 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> Message-ID: On 27.06.2017 15:54, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote: > >> you wanna put up with this ? > > Not really. Can we block this guy? > > -Barry I will come back until you kill this ml like you killed the wiki. you started the race to the bottom, I told you early enough. From rosuav at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 10:08:21 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 00:08:21 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Fox wrote: > On 27.06.2017 15:54, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote: >> >>> you wanna put up with this ? >> >> >> Not really. Can we block this guy? >> >> -Barry > > > > I will come back until you kill this ml like you killed the wiki. > > you started the race to the bottom, I told you early enough. Is this mailing list available on gmane still? We should block that, then he wouldn't have a forum to vent onto. ChrisA From mal at python.org Tue Jun 27 11:59:31 2017 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:59:31 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> Message-ID: <469698e5-dada-cbec-bac1-d3ebf055e66b@python.org> On 27.06.2017 16:08, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Fox wrote: >> On 27.06.2017 15:54, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote: >>> >>>> you wanna put up with this ? >>> >>> >>> Not really. Can we block this guy? >>> >>> -Barry >> >> >> >> I will come back until you kill this ml like you killed the wiki. >> >> you started the race to the bottom, I told you early enough. > > Is this mailing list available on gmane still? We should block that, > then he wouldn't have a forum to vent onto. I don't know who has access to the ML admin. I suppose we could ask our postmasters to reset the password and give it to some of us. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From mj at zopatista.com Wed Jun 28 03:17:28 2017 From: mj at zopatista.com (Martijn Pieters) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:17:28 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> Message-ID: On 27 Jun 2017, at 14:54, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote: > >> you wanna put up with this ? > > Not really. Can we block this guy? Looks like someone did: List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held for moderation. firefox at firemail.cc List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically rejected. firefox at firemail.cc List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded. firefox at firemail.cc The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now. Martijn From rosuav at gmail.com Wed Jun 28 03:19:33 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:19:33 +1000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Martijn Pieters wrote: > The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now. Oh. That part is going to be annoying, as it'll delay legitimate messages until a mod gets to them. This is mainly a notification list, not a discussion list, so half the posts come from non-subscribed people. ChrisA From mal at python.org Wed Jun 28 03:28:44 2017 From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:28:44 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> Message-ID: <6f7791f5-3fea-798f-467f-c55aaaeaf14e@python.org> On 28.06.2017 09:17, Martijn Pieters wrote: > On 27 Jun 2017, at 14:54, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:31 PM, Fox wrote: >> >>> you wanna put up with this ? >> >> Not really. Can we block this guy? > > Looks like someone did: > > List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held for moderation. > firefox at firemail.cc > > List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically rejected. > firefox at firemail.cc > > List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded. > firefox at firemail.cc Thanks. > The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now. Hmm, this will not work well, since this list is the go to place when asking for wiki edit permission and for reporting other python.org related issues. Could this be lifted again ? BTW: Who do we need to contact for changes to this lists configuration ? The -owner address ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg Python Software Foundation http://www.python.org/psf/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From mj at zopatista.com Wed Jun 28 03:31:18 2017 From: mj at zopatista.com (Martijn Pieters) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:31:18 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> Message-ID: On 28 Jun 2017, at 08:19, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Martijn Pieters wrote: >> The list is also set to auto-hold messages from non-subscribers now. > > Oh. That part is going to be annoying, as it'll delay legitimate > messages until a mod gets to them. This is mainly a notification list, > not a discussion list, so half the posts come from non-subscribed > people. I've switched that back to 'accept' again. I also added firefox at firemail.cc to the 'List of addresses which are banned from membership in this mailing list' to ensure there is no loophole there. Martijn From mj at zopatista.com Wed Jun 28 03:33:53 2017 From: mj at zopatista.com (Martijn Pieters) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:33:53 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] let this be a warning to would-be wiki editors In-Reply-To: <6f7791f5-3fea-798f-467f-c55aaaeaf14e@python.org> References: <911a494f-8973-019e-52c2-3c49b4e7d3af@firemail.cc> <816d0f4b-9176-17f1-9758-403282dbdce6@python.org> <2ed23c79-4e99-367b-3314-b9377e15a349@python.org> <20170627095425.0cf24ef8@subdivisions.wooz.org> <6f7791f5-3fea-798f-467f-c55aaaeaf14e@python.org> Message-ID: <08F1F8DE-8A02-4933-BF45-15171C544EB9@zopatista.com> On 28 Jun 2017, at 08:28, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Hmm, this will not work well, since this list is the go to > place when asking for wiki edit permission and for reporting > other python.org related issues. > > Could this be lifted again ? Done (see my other email) > BTW: Who do we need to contact for changes to this lists > configuration ? The -owner address ? -owners goes to pkropf at gmail.com and amk at amk.ca. Presumably either are still active and have access. Let me know if others need to be added and/or a password reset is in order. Martijn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com Wed Jun 28 04:23:00 2017 From: pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com (leaky wiki) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:23:00 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Does Your Business Need a Lifeline? In-Reply-To: <1dGHOI-000A2z-Mz@mx167.sendpulse.email> References: <1dGHOI-000A2z-Mz@mx167.sendpulse.email> Message-ID: whose doesn't. stop spamming rite now! From pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com Tue Jun 27 14:44:00 2017 From: pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com (leaky wiki) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:44:00 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hello! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: great to find friends round here ! But Sweden was persecuting Julian Assange for far too long! Stepheney Wills: > Hello > > I hope this letter finds you in the best of health and spirit. Forgive my > intrusion as I know that this is an unconventional way of reaching out to you. > > My name is Stepheney Wills and I'm Swede. My reason for writing you is to seek > your friendship! Just being adventurous and decided to use this letter as a > resource tool to get your attention. As a matter of fact, I've been wanting to > try this a while now to chat. But I've been clueless on how to go about it. > > Maybe you find it strange that I'm using something as cold as this means to > reach you. But this is the best I can do for now.In short: the purpose of this > letter is just to ask you if you want to be my friend. And if you agree, just > say yes and we can take it on from there. > > I look forward to hear hearing from you. > > Steph Julain From pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com Wed Jun 28 04:31:00 2017 From: pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com (leaky wiki) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:31:00 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Steve Holden's arguments don't hold water. Message-ID: let me chime in here! Holden comes across as a somewhat sanctimonious guy. His "site content is maintained entirely by volunteers" line may sound as if all was hunkey-dorey, yet it is the types like him, who actually make sure that the NEW volunteers are being kept out! Rejection rate skyrocketed this month ! The agressive stance against new users is of course part of the plan. Not many editors fall for such a cheap trick though. Steve Holden: > AS a no-more-then-tangential reply I will point out in the defence of > anyone who might be held responsible for not "plan[ning] to mitigate this > dire situation," that the site content is maintained entirely by > volunteers. It's possible that our current approach won't scale, but it's > equally likely that there is much more relevant and recent content is > available from other sources. > > I can't remember anyone who asked for edit permissions being refused. > Certainly, responding critically to an email is sufficient proof of > sentience to merit permission to edit. Thank you for taking enough interest > to want to help. If you feel like organising a crew of willing volunteers > to help curate and maintain the content I'll be happy to introduce you to > PSF people who might be willing to support such a venture (though I can > make no commitment on the Foundation's behalf). >> Our anti-robot protection is no secret. Before anyone can edit, he or >>> she has to get explicit permission from an admin. :) >>> >> >> to most bona fide users this is actually very much a :-( From pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com Wed Jun 28 04:39:00 2017 From: pywiki at pythonic.33mail.com (leaky wiki) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:39:00 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] EditorsGroup <---- why was this guy not rejected like all the rest ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How come this guy was neither rejected nor to perform little hoop-jumping tricks, like the admins do when it pleases them ? Did he had to pay a bribe or what ? ;-) Chris Angelico: > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Raymond Hulha wrote: >> Hello pydotorg, >> >> I would like to be added to the EditorsGroup >> >> account name: >> >> RayH > > Go for it! > > ChrisA > From firefox at firemail.cc Wed Jun 28 04:57:51 2017 From: firefox at firemail.cc (Fox) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:57:51 +0200 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Steve Holden's arguments don't hold water. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Not many editors fall for such a cheap trick though. most are being rejected of course. From nobody at remailer.paranoici.org Wed Jun 28 04:10:05 2017 From: nobody at remailer.paranoici.org (Anonymous) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pydotorg-www] hey guys, let me volunteer ! yes ? Message-ID: or do you not want new people improving things ? From carl at personnelware.com Wed Jun 28 10:13:30 2017 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:30 -0500 Subject: [pydotorg-www] hey guys, let me volunteer ! yes ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest we let people say what they want. We don't really have much choice given the nature and point of this list. I also suggest not replying to someone who isn't listening. On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:10 AM, Anonymous wrote: > or do you not want new people improving things ? > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Carl K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bahama at Mama.kingston Fri Jun 30 05:39:45 2017 From: Bahama at Mama.kingston (Bahama at Mama.kingston) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:39:45 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] I would like a wiki editor account. Message-ID: <2b5d999b0e842b8194e8951934256dc2@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> Can you give me editor access to the wiki, please ? Or have you quit the job, maybe? Is the wiki still a collaborative site or just for a select few? From tritium-list at sdamon.com Fri Jun 30 04:58:02 2017 From: tritium-list at sdamon.com (Alex Walters) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 04:58:02 -0400 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Do we need the admonition about Itanium processors? Message-ID: <0d4201d2f17e$fb3b3360$f1b19a20$@sdamon.com> On the download page on python.org, all the windows 64 bit downloads have a note stating that the download is not for Itanium processors. https://i.imgur.com/A05oQmp.png (Image for illustration) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Market_share I am not sure that it's entirely required to make the admonition, as there are just not that many Itanium machines in the wild (compared to arm or a flavor of x86). I'm not going to say that stating that they are not for Itanium is bad, but I don't think it's something we need to do, especially since the download link even says "X86-64". Perhaps in the future, don't include the note? Or do, this is just a thought I had while looking at the download page.