From jaccis_110_02 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 1 18:04:32 2017 From: jaccis_110_02 at hotmail.com (James C) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 22:04:32 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update of Wiki Glossary Page Message-ID: Hi, I am a professor at a local college and I am using this site for a glossary for my Python students. I would like to edit this page when students need new Python words defined. Currently, I would like to provide a definition for exception, method, module. Thanks in advance, Jim Carrier, Ph.D. Professor Computer Science Guilford Technical Community College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosuav at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 22:56:34 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 13:56:34 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update of Wiki Glossary Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:04 AM, James C wrote: > Hi, > > > I am a professor at a local college and I am using this site for a glossary > for my Python students. I would like to edit this page when students need > new Python words defined. Currently, I would like to provide a definition > for exception, method, module. Do you have a wiki user account? ChrisA From steve at holdenweb.com Thu Nov 2 03:23:22 2017 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 07:23:22 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Google Analytics for python.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Sorry, completely clueless on that one. I've copied this reply to the pydotorg-www list - someone else there will almost certainly be able to help you. regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Mark Mangoba wrote: > Hey Steve, > > Quick question, do you have access to our Google Analytics for python.org? > or know anyone that may have access? > > Thanks, > Mark > > -- > Mark Mangoba | PSF IT Manager | Python Software Foundation | > mmangoba at python.org | python.org | Infrastructure Staff: > infrastructure-staff at python.org | GPG: 2DE4 D92B 739C 649B EBB8 CCF6 DC05 > E024 5F4C A0D1 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mal at egenix.com Thu Nov 2 04:24:16 2017 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:24:16 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Google Analytics for python.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02.11.2017 08:23, Steve Holden wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Sorry, completely clueless on that one. I've copied this reply to the > pydotorg-www list - someone else there will almost certainly be able to > help you. My guess is that this was never really handed over from the companies originally implementing the website. Maybe Jesse Noller knows, since he was involved in the redesign project. This is where the GA snippet was added: https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/blame/master/templates/base.html#L124 https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/commit/39afc2f746fd6e77c5d5082be399217961a4052d > regards > Steve > > Steve Holden > > On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Mark Mangoba wrote: > >> Hey Steve, >> >> Quick question, do you have access to our Google Analytics for python.org? >> or know anyone that may have access? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >> -- >> Mark Mangoba | PSF IT Manager | Python Software Foundation | >> mmangoba at python.org | python.org | Infrastructure Staff: >> infrastructure-staff at python.org | GPG: 2DE4 D92B 739C 649B EBB8 CCF6 DC05 >> E024 5F4C A0D1 >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 02 2017) >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From abdolrazagh.ie at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 04:02:35 2017 From: abdolrazagh.ie at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIEFiZG9scmF6YWdoINi52YTbjCDYudio2K/Yp9mE2LHYstin2YI=?=) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 11:32:35 +0330 Subject: [pydotorg-www] adding a free training Message-ID: I want to add a free python training that we called ?introduction to programming using python? this open online course is with Persian language and there are more than 5000 subscribers in this course for now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mats at wichmann.us Sat Nov 4 12:39:13 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 10:39:13 -0600 Subject: [pydotorg-www] adding a free training In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9183cde0-ccfa-966a-ab3f-f595780fcf8e@wichmann.us> On 11/04/17 02:02, Ali Abdolrazagh ??? ????????? wrote: > I want to add a free python training that we called ?introduction to > programming using python? > this open online course is with Persian language and there are more than > 5000 subscribers in this course for now. if you write back with your wiki name, you will be added as an editor. From martin.fitzpatrick at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 05:08:28 2017 From: martin.fitzpatrick at gmail.com (Martin Fitzpatrick) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 11:08:28 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing request MartinFitzpatrick Message-ID: Hello Can you please enable my account MartinFitzpatrick for editing on the Python wiki. I have an entry on the https://wiki.python.org/moin/VolunteerOpportunities page (Pathomx) which I would like to remove ? the project is no longer actively developed, but this entry gets a lot of email. Thanks Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosuav at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 05:33:01 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 21:33:01 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing request MartinFitzpatrick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hello > > Can you please enable my account MartinFitzpatrick for editing on the Python > wiki. > > I have an entry on the https://wiki.python.org/moin/VolunteerOpportunities > page (Pathomx) which I would like to remove ? the project is no longer > actively developed, but this entry gets a lot of email. No problem, you should now have that power. ChrisA From mats at wichmann.us Mon Nov 6 09:19:24 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 07:19:24 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] adding a free training In-Reply-To: References: <9183cde0-ccfa-966a-ab3f-f595780fcf8e@wichmann.us> Message-ID: On 11/06/17 04:09, Ali Abdolrazagh ??? ????????? wrote: > thanks for your quick response > our wiki name is GoToClass You should be able to edit now. > > On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote: > >> On 11/04/17 02:02, Ali Abdolrazagh ??? ????????? wrote: >>> I want to add a free python training that we called ?introduction to >>> programming using python? >>> this open online course is with Persian language and there are more than >>> 5000 subscribers in this course for now. >> >> if you write back with your wiki name, you will be added as an editor. >> >> >> > From amykyta3 at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 01:09:13 2017 From: amykyta3 at gmail.com (Alex Mykyta) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 22:09:13 -0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update tclpython link in wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone still maintain this Wiki? Haven't heard from anyone about this for over a month On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Mykyta wrote: > https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages > > I would like to update the link to TclPython to point to: > https://github.com/amykyta3/tclpython/ > The old link points to the original author's page, but has not been > updated in over 10 years. I have resurrected the project and will be > maintaining it further. > Tried contacting him, but the email listed is also invalid :-/ > > -Alex > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosuav at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 01:11:46 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:11:46 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update tclpython link in wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Alex Mykyta wrote: > Does anyone still maintain this Wiki? > Haven't heard from anyone about this for over a month > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Mykyta wrote: >> >> https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages >> >> I would like to update the link to TclPython to point to: >> https://github.com/amykyta3/tclpython/ >> The old link points to the original author's page, but has not been >> updated in over 10 years. I have resurrected the project and will be >> maintaining it further. >> Tried contacting him, but the email listed is also invalid :-/ Hi! The wiki is maintained - by people like yourself. Would you like to become an editor and have full access to make changes? All you need to do is create an account, and then let us know what your user name is. ChrisA From amykyta3 at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 01:23:17 2017 From: amykyta3 at gmail.com (Alex Mykyta) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 22:23:17 -0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update tclpython link in wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure! Username is "Alex Mykyta" My OpenID is amykyta3 On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Alex Mykyta wrote: > > Does anyone still maintain this Wiki? > > Haven't heard from anyone about this for over a month > > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Mykyta > wrote: > >> > >> https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages > >> > >> I would like to update the link to TclPython to point to: > >> https://github.com/amykyta3/tclpython/ > >> The old link points to the original author's page, but has not been > >> updated in over 10 years. I have resurrected the project and will be > >> maintaining it further. > >> Tried contacting him, but the email listed is also invalid :-/ > > Hi! > > The wiki is maintained - by people like yourself. Would you like to > become an editor and have full access to make changes? All you need to > do is create an account, and then let us know what your user name is. > > ChrisA > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rosuav at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 01:47:16 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:47:16 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update tclpython link in wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Alex Mykyta wrote: > Sure! > Username is "Alex Mykyta" > My OpenID is amykyta3 No problem. You should now be able to make edits. Sorry about earlier; your original message seems to have gotten lost somehow. ChrisA From steve at holdenweb.com Wed Nov 8 08:56:50 2017 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:56:50 +0000 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Update tclpython link in wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alex, Thanks to you and everybody who volunteers to keep the Wiki alive and current! regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Alex Mykyta wrote: > > Sure! > > Username is "Alex Mykyta" > > My OpenID is amykyta3 > > No problem. You should now be able to make edits. > > Sorry about earlier; your original message seems to have gotten lost > somehow. > > ChrisA > _______________________________________________ > pydotorg-www mailing list > pydotorg-www at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PythonLinks.info/europe#companies You can watch the introductory video at PythonLinks.info It is all Javascript and JSON, so quite easy to syndicate content. If we added it to the Python.org website, very quickly everyone would add their companies. Warm Regards Christopher Lozinski https://PythonLinks.info tel: +48 12 361 3136 Skype: clozinski -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dibyachakravorty at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 09:28:15 2017 From: dibyachakravorty at gmail.com (dibya) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:28:15 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonBooks wiki page Message-ID: Hi, My name is Dibya and I created and maintain https://pythonbooks.org/. It features a categorized and ranked list of Python books. The site is updated every month to include newly published books and reflect new rankings. You can see the discussion about the site on reddit , another discussion on reddit and on HN . The Wiki page PythonBooks provided inspiration for making this site. I noticed that the lists featured in the wiki are ordered by publication date. I thought users might benefit from popularity based ranking as this helps to quickly find the best books. I implemented this in https://pythonbooks.org/. Also a lot of work was put in to categorize Python books on specializations (ML, GUI etc) and the website currently has 23 categories in total (still growing). I have received emails from Python users around the world who have benefited from the site's ranking and categorization. However, while the popularity of the website on reddit and HN has given it a strong start, I believe that there are still a lot of people who don't know about it. Since the PythonBooks wiki is the gateway for a lot of people for finding Python books, I thought that a link to the website on the PythonBooks wiki page might give the website the required exposure and help users who are looking to find popular Python books in different categories. Please take a look at the site. If you think that the website fulfills your standards, I would like to ask for permission to edit the PythonBooks wiki page such that I can add the link in the section "External sources of information". My username on the Python Wiki is DibyaChakravorty. I remain grateful and committed to the Python language and community. Thank you, Dibya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mats at wichmann.us Sat Nov 11 17:09:27 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:09:27 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonBooks wiki page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/11/2017 07:28 AM, dibya wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Dibya and I created and maintain https://pythonbooks.org/. It > features a categorized and ranked list of Python books. The site is updated > every month to include newly published books and reflect new rankings. You > can see the discussion about the site on reddit > , > another discussion on reddit > > and on HN . > > The Wiki page PythonBooks provided inspiration for making this site. I > noticed that the lists featured in the wiki are ordered by publication > date. I thought users might benefit from popularity based ranking as this > helps to quickly find the best books. I implemented this in > https://pythonbooks.org/. Also a lot of work was put in to categorize > Python books on specializations (ML, GUI etc) and the website currently has > 23 categories in total (still growing). > > I have received emails from Python users around the world who have > benefited from the site's ranking and categorization. However, while the > popularity of the website on reddit and HN has given it a strong start, I > believe that there are still a lot of people who don't know about it. > > Since the PythonBooks wiki is the gateway for a lot of people for finding > Python books, I thought that a link to the website on the PythonBooks wiki > page might give the website the required exposure and help users who are > looking to find popular Python books in different categories. > > Please take a look at the site. If you think that the website fulfills your > standards, I would like to ask for permission to edit the PythonBooks wiki > page such that I can add the link in the section "External sources of > information". > > My username on the Python Wiki is DibyaChakravorty. > > I remain grateful and committed to the Python language and community. It's an interesting topic. We've had "ordering wars" with some pages like books, where people come and put theirs first, then someone else edits and moves theirs first. Personally, I like the idea of ranking, but I don't like the idea of using a "Bestseller Rank" for it - I presume this means Amazon? Not all books make it out to the world via Amazon. And sales volume may depend more on better promotion than better quality. Any thoughts of switching to a ranking system which depends on user voting instead (not that that isn't subject to abuse). As to whether your page could be listed on the python wiki... I'll wait a little bit and see if the other webmasters have an opinion. Seems like there's a place for something like that in the "External sources" section. From dibyachakravorty at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 08:25:34 2017 From: dibyachakravorty at gmail.com (dibya) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 14:25:34 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonBooks wiki page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for your response. The bestseller rank indeed means the Amazon Bestseller Rank. I understand the reasons you mentioned about why this rank might not be the perfect way to rank the books - and that public voting might be better. However, I went ahead ahead with this choice for the following reasons: 1. Any site that relies on public voting has to go through an initial "chicken and egg" problem. The site won't generate value until a critical mass of voting has taken place. Users won't flock to the site and vote unless the site delivers value. The only way to solve this problem is for the creator to have enough clout in the community in order to drive traffic in the initial phase/ or to do a lot of outreach. Since I don't have any clout whatsoever and don't have resources for that level of outreach, I wanted the site to deliver unquestionable value on day 1. Using the Amazon Bestseller Rank helped me do this - and it worked well too. The site was popular among reddit and HN users, and I have steady traffic ever since. But, of course, the long term plan is to involve users as well. Users can already leave reviews (with stars) for books by using their GitHub account (here is an example ). In the long run, the plan is to allow voting and take a weighted score of votes, stars and the Amazon Bestseller Rank. This might address some of the issues that you have raised. 2. From my experience, it seems that the Amazon Bestseller Rank, with all its faults, is still a very good indicator of quality. How do I know this? Well, I visited several online threads about best Python books for beginners, intermediate programmers, books on specializations like Data Science, Security etc. and made a list of books that people wholeheartedly recommend. Then I compared this list with what I get from the Bestseller Rank. It's astonishing how well the two lists match up in almost every case. My conclusion from this is the following: you can promote a book all you want, but if you want strong sales, quality beats promotion. 3. The third point is about books not on Amazon. I do believe this applies to only a small minority of Python books. According to my database, Amazon currently lists 1005 paperback Python books published since 2009. This is a quite complete database and all the popular books are definitely on there. I do understand that I might have missed one or two books that are not on Amazon, but that's a compromise that I was willing to make (because the alternatives were far inferior is terms of cost-benefit). Just to clarify, the ranking used in the website is not 100 % based on the Amazon Bestseller Rank. For books on specializations, another score is computed based on what fraction of the book is dedicated to the subject matter (which I figure out after going through the Amazon preview of the book). Then a weighted score is assigned. Books that are available for free get a unconditional score bump (to compensate for reduced sales). Books with multiple editions that came out in a short span of time also get a score adjustment (to compensate for fragmentation). Once again, thanks for your comments and for considering the website for the "External Sources" section. If you have any more suggestions about how to improve the website and how to improve its outreach, please let me know. I will consider them during further upgrades of the site. Best regards, Dibya On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 11/11/2017 07:28 AM, dibya wrote: > > Hi, > > > > My name is Dibya and I created and maintain https://pythonbooks.org/. It > > features a categorized and ranked list of Python books. The site is > updated > > every month to include newly published books and reflect new rankings. > You > > can see the discussion about the site on reddit > > pythonbooks_find_the_best_python_books/>, > > another discussion on reddit > > python_books_categorized_and_ranked/> > > and on HN . > > > > The Wiki page PythonBooks provided inspiration for making this site. I > > noticed that the lists featured in the wiki are ordered by publication > > date. I thought users might benefit from popularity based ranking as this > > helps to quickly find the best books. I implemented this in > > https://pythonbooks.org/. Also a lot of work was put in to categorize > > Python books on specializations (ML, GUI etc) and the website currently > has > > 23 categories in total (still growing). > > > > I have received emails from Python users around the world who have > > benefited from the site's ranking and categorization. However, while the > > popularity of the website on reddit and HN has given it a strong start, I > > believe that there are still a lot of people who don't know about it. > > > > Since the PythonBooks wiki is the gateway for a lot of people for finding > > Python books, I thought that a link to the website on the PythonBooks > wiki > > page might give the website the required exposure and help users who are > > looking to find popular Python books in different categories. > > > > Please take a look at the site. If you think that the website fulfills > your > > standards, I would like to ask for permission to edit the PythonBooks > wiki > > page such that I can add the link in the section "External sources of > > information". > > > > My username on the Python Wiki is DibyaChakravorty. > > > > I remain grateful and committed to the Python language and community. > > It's an interesting topic. We've had "ordering wars" with some pages > like books, where people come and put theirs first, then someone else > edits and moves theirs first. > > Personally, I like the idea of ranking, but I don't like the idea of > using a "Bestseller Rank" for it - I presume this means Amazon? Not all > books make it out to the world via Amazon. And sales volume may depend > more on better promotion than better quality. Any thoughts of switching > to a ranking system which depends on user voting instead (not that that > isn't subject to abuse). > > As to whether your page could be listed on the python wiki... I'll wait > a little bit and see if the other webmasters have an opinion. Seems > like there's a place for something like that in the "External sources" > section. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mats at wichmann.us Sun Nov 12 09:01:31 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 07:01:31 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonBooks wiki page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/12/2017 06:25 AM, dibya wrote: > Thanks for your response. The bestseller rank indeed means the Amazon > Bestseller Rank. I understand the reasons you mentioned about why this rank > might not be the perfect way to rank the books - and that public voting > might be better. However, I went ahead ahead with this choice for the > following reasons: > 2. From my experience, it seems that the Amazon Bestseller Rank, with all > its faults, is still a very good indicator of quality. How do I know this? > Well, I visited several online threads about best Python books for > beginners, intermediate programmers, books on specializations like Data > Science, Security etc. and made a list of books that people wholeheartedly > recommend. Then I compared this list with what I get from the Bestseller > Rank. It's astonishing how well the two lists match up in almost every > case. My conclusion from this is the following: you can promote a book all > you want, but if you want strong sales, quality beats promotion. > > 3. The third point is about books not on Amazon. I do believe this applies > to only a small minority of Python books. According to my database, Amazon > currently lists 1005 paperback Python books published since 2009. This is a > quite complete database and all the popular books are definitely on there. > I do understand that I might have missed one or two books that are not on > Amazon, but that's a compromise that I was willing to make (because the > alternatives were far inferior is terms of cost-benefit). Not trying to argue, just making personal observations: I get nearly all of my tech books at the moment electronically directly from Packt. At some time in the past I had a company-paid subscription to Safari and those books arrived electronically as well. I'm assuming Amazon was never involved in any way in either set of transactions, unless there's some kind of API where you can inject a record of a "sale", though that's a particularly nebulous concept in the case of subscription services, which I think are a significant factor particularly in tech book sales - and probably cause "total downloads" to be not indicative of quality: if an individual book is effectively free, people grab it and then quickly ignore it if it's bad. Maybe Amazon's numbers are still representative on a proportional basis, I don't know. Anyway, there's nothing to prevent you from being marked as a wiki editor, which is now the case. From dibyachakravorty at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 09:37:30 2017 From: dibyachakravorty at gmail.com (dibya) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:37:30 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonBooks wiki page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for giving me editing rights to the Wiki. I welcome your observations wholeheartedly as it helps me address shortcomings of the site, if any. You are right that Amazon has no information about direct sales from publishers and subscription services. But assuming that popularity of a book is consistent across different platforms of sale, this should not be an issue. It can be argued that Amazon's rankings are in fact better because people have to pay for each book (I only use Bestseller Ranks of paperbacks and not Kindle ebooks). Of course, we cannot ever prove anything conclusively. Therefore, the best check of the quality of rankings is ultimately qualitative - and I have verified with my limited amount of research that the rankings on pythonbooks.org do reflect popular opinion. If you want to verify this, you can do something simple. Just check the lists on pythonbooks.org and see if the books that you liked the most over the years are consistently ranked well on the website. And if you indeed do this, let me know if you spot any glaring discrepancies. Best regards, Dibya On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 11/12/2017 06:25 AM, dibya wrote: > > Thanks for your response. The bestseller rank indeed means the Amazon > > Bestseller Rank. I understand the reasons you mentioned about why this > rank > > might not be the perfect way to rank the books - and that public voting > > might be better. However, I went ahead ahead with this choice for the > > following reasons: > > > 2. From my experience, it seems that the Amazon Bestseller Rank, with all > > its faults, is still a very good indicator of quality. How do I know > this? > > Well, I visited several online threads about best Python books for > > beginners, intermediate programmers, books on specializations like Data > > Science, Security etc. and made a list of books that people > wholeheartedly > > recommend. Then I compared this list with what I get from the Bestseller > > Rank. It's astonishing how well the two lists match up in almost every > > case. My conclusion from this is the following: you can promote a book > all > > you want, but if you want strong sales, quality beats promotion. > > > > 3. The third point is about books not on Amazon. I do believe this > applies > > to only a small minority of Python books. According to my database, > Amazon > > currently lists 1005 paperback Python books published since 2009. This > is a > > quite complete database and all the popular books are definitely on > there. > > I do understand that I might have missed one or two books that are not on > > Amazon, but that's a compromise that I was willing to make (because the > > alternatives were far inferior is terms of cost-benefit). > > Not trying to argue, just making personal observations: > > I get nearly all of my tech books at the moment electronically directly > from Packt. At some time in the past I had a company-paid subscription > to Safari and those books arrived electronically as well. I'm assuming > Amazon was never involved in any way in either set of transactions, > unless there's some kind of API where you can inject a record of a > "sale", though that's a particularly nebulous concept in the case of > subscription services, which I think are a significant factor > particularly in tech book sales - and probably cause "total downloads" > to be not indicative of quality: if an individual book is effectively > free, people grab it and then quickly ignore it if it's bad. Maybe > Amazon's numbers are still representative on a proportional basis, I > don't know. > > > Anyway, there's nothing to prevent you from being marked as a wiki > editor, which is now the case. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a_salnikov at yahoo.com Fri Nov 17 00:30:46 2017 From: a_salnikov at yahoo.com (Andy Salnikov) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:30:46 -0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python MoinMoin edits Message-ID: Hi, I have discovered couple of broken links on TkInter page (https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter) and wanted to update them. I just created my account (AndySalnikov) but apparently I cannot edit anything just yet. Could you add me to the editors please? Proposed changes to the TkInter page: - replace link http://www.astro.washington.edu/users/rowen/TkinterSummary.html with http://staff.washington.edu/rowen/TkinterSummary.html - replace link http://www.astro.washington.edu/users/rowen/ROTKFolklore.html with http://staff.washington.edu/rowen/ROTKFolklore.html Thanks, Andy From mats at wichmann.us Fri Nov 17 08:56:56 2017 From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 06:56:56 -0700 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python MoinMoin edits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a46254e-aa41-fd56-9f34-b2c66e28d252@wichmann.us> On 11/16/2017 10:30 PM, Andy Salnikov via pydotorg-www wrote: > Hi, I have discovered couple of broken links on TkInter page > (https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter) and wanted to update them. I just > created my account (AndySalnikov) but apparently I cannot edit anything > just yet. Could you add me to the editors please? Proposed changes to > the TkInter page: Added. Thanks for volunteering. Hint: you don't have to stop here :) Links to academic user accounts can indeed be a little fragile, these don't exist somewhere else, I presume? From a_salnikov at yahoo.com Fri Nov 17 12:56:55 2017 From: a_salnikov at yahoo.com (Andy Salnikov) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:56:55 -0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Python MoinMoin edits In-Reply-To: <1a46254e-aa41-fd56-9f34-b2c66e28d252@wichmann.us> References: <1a46254e-aa41-fd56-9f34-b2c66e28d252@wichmann.us> Message-ID: <9abe12ce-cfbf-341a-d367-e8c84e6c6c69@yahoo.com> On 11/17/2017 5:56 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 11/16/2017 10:30 PM, Andy Salnikov via pydotorg-www wrote: >> Hi, I have discovered couple of broken links on TkInter page >> (https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter) and wanted to update them. I just >> created my account (AndySalnikov) but apparently I cannot edit anything >> just yet. Could you add me to the editors please? Proposed changes to >> the TkInter page: > Added. Thanks for volunteering. Hint: you don't have to stop here :) > > Links to academic user accounts can indeed be a little fragile, these > don't exist somewhere else, I presume? Hi Mats, thanks! Those pages are indeed only on the university server. I just chatted with the person (Russel Owen) who wrote that info and he is concerned that it may be obsolete already and he does not have time to update it. Anyways, I'll update the links on wiki. Andy. From 532000663 at qq.com Tue Nov 21 01:45:48 2017 From: 532000663 at qq.com (=?utf-8?B?5LiJ5byg?=) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:45:48 +0800 Subject: [pydotorg-www] One question in PythonSpeed PerformanceTips Message-ID: Hello, PerformanceTips is detailed and useful for python developer, where I have improved myself a lot. In the learning, I found a question in ?Use xrange instead of range? section about the example code below: def xrange(start, stop=None, step=1): if stop is None: stop = start start = 0 else: stop = int(stop) start = int(start) step = int(step) while start < stop: yield start start += step The example code run type conversion only under the case that the stop variable is not None, so, if I run code ?xrange('5?)", the code can not work. I have no authorization to edit this page, and by the way, wiki.python.org is too hard to register. it will help more people who have interesting in python if you spend time to check the code and correct it. Best wish. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From fredrik.lundh at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 18:08:18 2017 From: fredrik.lundh at gmail.com (Fredrik Lundh) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 00:08:18 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] ancient wiki info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, sorry -- account is the same as page name, FredrikLundh 2017-11-27 18:30 GMT+01:00 M.-A. Lemburg : > Hi Fredrik, > > do you have a wiki account ? Then we can make you editor. > > On 27.11.2017 18:19, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > someone just pointed out that "FredrikLundh" and related pages were last > > updated over a decade ago. > > > > cannot seem to edit it, though. can I has access? > > Cheers, > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 27 2017) > >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ > >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: > > eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. 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Then we can make you editor. >> >> On 27.11.2017 18:19, Fredrik Lundh wrote: >>> someone just pointed out that "FredrikLundh" and related pages were last >>> updated over a decade ago. >>> >>> cannot seem to edit it, though. can I has access? >> >> Cheers, >> -- >> Marc-Andre Lemburg >> eGenix.com >> >> Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 27 2017) >>>>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>>>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ >>>>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: >> >> eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 >> D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. 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Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ http://www.malemburg.com/ From info at qquick.org Tue Nov 28 12:07:31 2017 From: info at qquick.org (Jacques de Hooge (info@qquick.org)) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:07:31 +0100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing info about Transcrypt Message-ID: <933649b0-1bfc-082e-3016-b781ca12ef3d@qquick.org> Hi, I'd like to update the info about the Transcrypt Python to JavaScript compiler on https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebBrowserProgramming Could you please give me editor access to this page. Kind regards Jacques de Hooge Initiator of the Transcrypt open source project (http://www.transcrypt.org/) From rosuav at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 12:44:40 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 04:44:40 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing info about Transcrypt In-Reply-To: <933649b0-1bfc-082e-3016-b781ca12ef3d@qquick.org> References: <933649b0-1bfc-082e-3016-b781ca12ef3d@qquick.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Jacques de Hooge (info at qquick.org) wrote: > Hi, > > > I'd like to update the info about the Transcrypt Python to JavaScript > compiler on > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebBrowserProgramming > > Could you please give me editor access to this page. Do you have a wiki editing account? ChrisA From rosuav at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 13:20:41 2017 From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 05:20:41 +1100 Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing info about Transcrypt In-Reply-To: References: <933649b0-1bfc-082e-3016-b781ca12ef3d@qquick.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:19 AM, Jacques de Hooge (info at qquick.org) wrote: > Hi Chris, > > > You mean an editing account for Wikipedia? > > Of specifically for wiki.python.org? > > I've edited the page before but forgot how. > > I may have an editing account > > How can I find it (or create it) > > > My user name is jacdeh Specifically for wiki.python.org. And yes, that would be the account I'm looking for. You should now be able to edit. Have at it! ChrisA