From wes.turner at gmail.com  Mon Dec  2 20:04:24 2019
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2019 20:04:24 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] UBY, BUG: Responsive wiki templates,
 ENH: MoinMoin git storage, DOC: Guidelines for citations,
 ENH: Custom search engine?
Message-ID: <CACfEFw_dzucYnW=VnpMxUSaeOYK4MEqN=xkAuEYZ4YNyGf9H8Q@mail.gmail.com>

UBY,BUG: Create responsive wiki templates

The wiki pages are not readable on mobile because the templates aren't
responsive.

There are docs for the python.org site and the Jinja2 templates and CSS are
on GitHub:
- https://pythondotorg.readthedocs.io/
- https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/blob/master/templates/base.html

Where are the MoinMoin Jinja2 (?) templates and CSS sources hosted?
Who owns these?
The site design team did a great job.
For the wiki, responsive breakpoints and minimal headers above the fold
would be great.

Would it be easier to adapt/fork/brand/recognize existing responsive
MoinMoin templates?

...

ENH: MoinMoin git storage / backend?

A git backend with a repo in GitHub and evented bidirectional
synchronization might get the wiki the attention it needs.

- https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/devel/development.html#storage

People have moved to gh-pages, awesome lists (and hybrid GH wikis w/ Sphinx
renders thereof [x]) for a multitude of reasons, I think. The pull request
workflow is very familiar to maintainers now.

- https://devguide.python.org/
- https://docs.python.org/
- https://discuss.python.org/
- https://duckduckgo.com/?q=awesome+python+site%3Agithub.com
- https://github.com/quobit/awesome-python-in-education

[x] https://github.com/westurner/wiki/issues/5
[y] https://github.com/westurner/wiki/blob/master/Makefile#L294

...

DOC: Guidelines for citations

I'm sending this to this list per a discussion and request in "[python-dev]
Mixed Python/C debugging" regarding the wiki and also whether it's
appropriate to reference e.g. third-party libraries and tools that I just
found in: the devguide, the wiki, the mailing list(s), discuss.python.org,
StackOverflow, GitHub?
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev at python.org/thread/L2KBZM64MYPXIITN4UU3X6L4PZS2YRTB/

...

ENH: Custom search engine?

Maybe we don't even need a custom search engine because a 'site:python.org'
search query is sufficient to search the Python community(s) for tools and
resources?
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From tom at frameworktraining.co.uk  Tue Dec  3 07:30:45 2019
From: tom at frameworktraining.co.uk (Tom Walker)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 12:30:45 -0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Trouble logging in to add Python Training event info
 to https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/Events
Message-ID: <2658153b93b491566768a6a93be10815@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,



We would love to be able to update our listing on
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/ and also add event data to
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/Events



I?m not sure if our login details have expired but every time I?ve checked
to see if I could login (going back some time) I?ve received 504: bad
gateway.



Should I try registering a new account? I?d previously registered with
contact at frameworktraining.co.uk



Many thanks for any assistance you can give :-)



Kind regards,

Tom



Tom Walker
Technical Director
www.frameworktraining.co.uk
tom at frameworktraining.co.uk
t: 020 3137 3920
m: 07990 743 379

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Framework Training Ltd is registered in England and Wales - Company Number
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From mats at wichmann.us  Tue Dec  3 12:34:01 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 10:34:01 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Trouble logging in to add Python Training event
 info to https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/Events
In-Reply-To: <2658153b93b491566768a6a93be10815@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2658153b93b491566768a6a93be10815@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <afa6fa75-1d5a-f12b-6154-b860985491a1@wichmann.us>

On 12/3/19 5:30 AM, Tom Walker wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> We would love to be able to update our listing on 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/ and also add event data to 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/Events
> 
> I?m not sure if our login details have expired but every time I?ve 
> checked to see if I could login (going back some time) I?ve received 
> 504: bad gateway.
> 
> Should I try registering a new account? I?d previously registered with 
> contact at frameworktraining.co.uk <mailto:contact at frameworktraining.co.uk>
> 
> Many thanks for any assistance you can give :-)
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Tom

we have bursts of this problem, it's believed due to overloaded VM 
(overloaded by being hammered by bots trying to break in, not because it 
itself is doing too much work).

the credentials you mention don't look like wiki credentials, however, 
they're supposed to be in the form of a WikiName, and are not related to 
credentials elsewhere on python.org.  I certainly don't see anything 
that contains "framework" in the list of people authorized to edit 
pages. Are you sure those are the right credentials?



From steve at holdenweb.com  Wed Dec  4 07:42:51 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:42:51 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Python success stories
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR0402MB37991C0A05DBC5BC3D04915CFB5D0@AM6PR0402MB3799.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM6PR0402MB37991C0A05DBC5BC3D04915CFB5D0@AM6PR0402MB3799.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRD_WgtQiAcZZbHRTpBHzXizuk_DM6U6SiRmSHbvhJQ7cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Margriet,

I'm forwarding this message to the web maintainers, who ought to be able to
put you in touch with the Success Stories' editor. In the event that you
need further help, please don't hesitate to ask at webmaster again.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 8:09 AM Margriet Komrij <m.komrij at beslist.nl> wrote:

> Dear Sir, Madam,
>
>
>
> I hope I?m correct addressing this e-mail to you. If not, could you let me
> know who I should address this to?
>
>
>
> We as beslist.nl have been implementing Python for about fifteen years
> now. I have learned from our technical department that we are happy using
> Python for data-analyses and machine learning. That is why we wondered if
> it is possible to team up and name our collaboration on the success stories
> page? https://www.python.org/success-stories/
>
>
>
> We would be happy to let python.org visitors know what Python does for
> us. I will explain a bit more about us and where Python is helping
> beslist.nl. We are a big online ?marketplace? in the Netherlands, there
> are around 10.000 web shops enclosed on our website. This means we have
> more than millions of items online on our website. Python helps us with
> making all the data manageable. On our database we use machine learning
> models from Python libraries, this ?data? output is processed in other
> systems that we use for our backend. Our programmers told me they find
> Python very useful for this.
>
>
>
> I am curious what you think about it, would you be interested in putting
> our testimonial on your website? If you are interested, we can discuss
> together further how our mention on the success stories page will look
> like. Of course, I can ask one of our programmers to join me to explain
> more about the usage of Python in our company.
>
>
>
> I look forward to your response. Have a nice day!
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Margriet Komrij
>
>
>
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
>
>
> *Margriet Komrij*
>
> Online Marketeer
>
> [image: cid:image001.png at 01D5A9EE.B6AF9AD0]
>
>
>
> *Meander 825*
>
> *6825 MH Arnhem *
>
> 026 31 90 410
>
> www.beslist.nl
>
>
> [image: cid:54567BF2-49A7-4602-BA6D-F237039FB95B]
> <https://nl.linkedin.com/company/beslist-nl>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From khanson679 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  6 00:48:13 2019
From: khanson679 at gmail.com (Kenneth Hanson)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 23:48:13 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki editing privileges
Message-ID: <CAARwMjdQ1NtiOtaHjftzRM97dUG2o_B_v4WWS-=dfb34Fj7zdA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Per https://wiki.python.org/moin/, I'm requesting permission to edit wiki
pages for new user account ElNinja.

I found likely spam on the page https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter (book
self promotion, and possible impersonation of David McNab, citing a
supposed endorsement by him that cannot be traced)

Thanks,

Kenneth
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Fri Dec  6 00:50:25 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:50:25 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Wiki editing privileges
In-Reply-To: <CAARwMjdQ1NtiOtaHjftzRM97dUG2o_B_v4WWS-=dfb34Fj7zdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAARwMjdQ1NtiOtaHjftzRM97dUG2o_B_v4WWS-=dfb34Fj7zdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmoiGULg-Onvhrx8xqJkRk7-dEHvTf2k1E+ZjY2JuGstJw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 4:49 PM Kenneth Hanson <khanson679 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Per https://wiki.python.org/moin/, I'm requesting permission to edit wiki pages for new user account ElNinja.
>
> I found likely spam on the page https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter (book self promotion, and possible impersonation of David McNab, citing a supposed endorsement by him that cannot be traced)
>

Thank you for helping keep the wiki clean! You should now have editing access.

ChrisA

From noah at pycon.or.tz  Sun Dec  8 05:47:20 2019
From: noah at pycon.or.tz (Noah .)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 13:47:20 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyCon Tanzania - 10th - 11th December 2019
In-Reply-To: <CAJo3tjDytGuzQ+7nae8Cv0zFCZBS8LDcfrpVy0Zomb52ns42tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJo3tjDytGuzQ+7nae8Cv0zFCZBS8LDcfrpVy0Zomb52ns42tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJo3tjC9Vd4iKWm=Zk+LzQ69yBqzpiBceOMWkCzfX6cXK=69Jw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Team

We hope that you are well. We are kindly remind you regarding our request.

PyCon Tanzania event will be happening this coming week from 10th - 11th
and we see that this has not been updated on the calendar.

Kindly do the needful

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 2:50 PM Noah . <noah at pycon.or.tz> wrote:

> Hi Team
>
> Pleased to inform that we are organizing a Python conference in Tanzania
> and the meeting will take place from 10th - 11th December 2019 in Dar es
> salaam, Tanzania.
>
> Please add the following event:
>
> * name of the event: PyCon Tanzania
> * type of event: * focus on Python: Python Conference
> * approximate number of attendees:  100
> * location (incl. country): Tanzania
> * dates/times/recurrence (incl. time zone):  10th - 11th December 2019 /
> 06:00GMT - 14:00GMT / Annually
> * HTML link using the format <a href="http://pycon.or.tz/">PyCon
> Tanzania</a>:
>
>
> Thank you so much.
>
> Cheers,
> Noah
> Community Moderator
>
>
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From ilkka.kokkarinen at gmail.com  Sun Dec  8 11:12:25 2019
From: ilkka.kokkarinen at gmail.com (Ilkka Kokkarinen)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 11:12:25 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] 109 Python Problems for CCPS 109
Message-ID: <CAK6zeb-dypKJO4mxx7q_K0JDtW_OfyYwzz5qwck4nEvByt0cSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,


After three semesters of teaching my introduction to programming with
Python course at  Chang School for Continuing Education at Ryerson
University for adult professionals of various levels, my collection "109
Python Problems for CCPS 109" is ready to be shared with the wider world.

https://github.com/ikokkari/PythonProblems

This repository includes the automated pseudorandom fuzz tester script
tester109.py and the two text files needed to run some of tests. I am
releasing these problems and the tester code under GNU GPL v3 for anybody
to use and adapt for their needs.

I hope that this repository is worthy of inclusion to the "ProblemSets"
page at Python Wiki.


Ilkka Kokkarinen
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Sun Dec  8 13:48:54 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:48:54 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] 109 Python Problems for CCPS 109
In-Reply-To: <CAK6zeb-dypKJO4mxx7q_K0JDtW_OfyYwzz5qwck4nEvByt0cSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK6zeb-dypKJO4mxx7q_K0JDtW_OfyYwzz5qwck4nEvByt0cSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRCUbjd5GL7_8me4S1Fc1HXZDS-5L3Q3__tyTrrPBDzhNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for being prepared to share your work with the larger Python
community.

The Wiki is user-edited, so you need to set up a user account on the Wiki
at https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=newaccount if you haven't
already done so, then let us (pydotorg-www@) know what it is. Someone will
make you an editor, and you can modify the ProblemSets page as appropriate.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:12 PM Ilkka Kokkarinen <ilkka.kokkarinen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> After three semesters of teaching my introduction to programming with
> Python course at  Chang School for Continuing Education at Ryerson
> University for adult professionals of various levels, my collection "109
> Python Problems for CCPS 109" is ready to be shared with the wider world.
>
> https://github.com/ikokkari/PythonProblems
>
> This repository includes the automated pseudorandom fuzz tester script
> tester109.py and the two text files needed to run some of tests. I am
> releasing these problems and the tester code under GNU GPL v3 for anybody
> to use and adapt for their needs.
>
> I hope that this repository is worthy of inclusion to the "ProblemSets"
> page at Python Wiki.
>
>
> Ilkka Kokkarinen
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
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From frances.hocutt at gmail.com  Sat Dec 14 23:55:46 2019
From: frances.hocutt at gmail.com (Frances Hocutt)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 20:55:46 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Resource book lists are mostly one publishing house
Message-ID: <CALLG5hXZb0RYtCTMUHZT_kd7oqpjGPMP6zFHs9LiVR6T3ctR_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

While going through the wiki working on Python 3 updates, I noticed
that these two pages now stretch to hundreds of books from a single
publisher:

 https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
 https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks

This seems like it runs into spamming/broad self-promotion more than a
usefully curated list of resources, but I'm not familiar with how this
wiki usually handles that kind of thing. Could someone more familiar
with this wiki take a look?

Thank you,
Frances

From mats at wichmann.us  Sun Dec 15 00:20:29 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 22:20:29 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Resource book lists are mostly one publishing
 house
In-Reply-To: <CALLG5hXZb0RYtCTMUHZT_kd7oqpjGPMP6zFHs9LiVR6T3ctR_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALLG5hXZb0RYtCTMUHZT_kd7oqpjGPMP6zFHs9LiVR6T3ctR_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98d0a8af-d0a2-956b-0c93-67df917b9614@wichmann.us>

On 12/14/19 9:55 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> While going through the wiki working on Python 3 updates, I noticed
> that these two pages now stretch to hundreds of books from a single
> publisher:
> 
>   https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
>   https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
> 
> This seems like it runs into spamming/broad self-promotion more than a
> usefully curated list of resources, but I'm not familiar with how this
> wiki usually handles that kind of thing. Could someone more familiar
> with this wiki take a look?

We do have one publisher - Packt - that keeps updating all the time. 
They produce books at an astounding rate.  I've looked at a fair number 
and they're not useless, although they're of fairly low quality in my 
personal opinion - it's a kind of "book mill".

I haven't a clue what we think we should do about them.  I think we 
warned them a few times about changing the sorting to put their books at 
the top, and believe they stopped that and kept to the "alphabetical 
order" we suggest. Beyond that... don't think we can say they're doing 
something wrong. Without someone curating the list for quality, which we 
don't have, it's not clear there's any actual complaint we can make.

Thanks for asking - it's a good question.

Anybody else?





From steve at holdenweb.com  Sun Dec 15 07:48:04 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:48:04 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Resource book lists are mostly one publishing
 house
In-Reply-To: <98d0a8af-d0a2-956b-0c93-67df917b9614@wichmann.us>
References: <CALLG5hXZb0RYtCTMUHZT_kd7oqpjGPMP6zFHs9LiVR6T3ctR_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <98d0a8af-d0a2-956b-0c93-67df917b9614@wichmann.us>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRCbjSp0m_q8RORk=U=V9rHmkafqry8QLSKX2optapF6tg@mail.gmail.com>

They've already been warned once.

Personal opinion: they should be stopped from spamming our Wiki, in which
they currently have undue prominence.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 5:20 AM Mats Wichmann <mats at wichmann.us> wrote:

> On 12/14/19 9:55 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > While going through the wiki working on Python 3 updates, I noticed
> > that these two pages now stretch to hundreds of books from a single
> > publisher:
> >
> >   https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
> >   https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
> >
> > This seems like it runs into spamming/broad self-promotion more than a
> > usefully curated list of resources, but I'm not familiar with how this
> > wiki usually handles that kind of thing. Could someone more familiar
> > with this wiki take a look?
>
> We do have one publisher - Packt - that keeps updating all the time.
> They produce books at an astounding rate.  I've looked at a fair number
> and they're not useless, although they're of fairly low quality in my
> personal opinion - it's a kind of "book mill".
>
> I haven't a clue what we think we should do about them.  I think we
> warned them a few times about changing the sorting to put their books at
> the top, and believe they stopped that and kept to the "alphabetical
> order" we suggest. Beyond that... don't think we can say they're doing
> something wrong. Without someone curating the list for quality, which we
> don't have, it's not clear there's any actual complaint we can make.
>
> Thanks for asking - it's a good question.
>
> Anybody else?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
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From fritzke at web.de  Sun Dec 15 10:06:44 2019
From: fritzke at web.de (Bernd Fritzke)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:06:44 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Please add me to the wiki editors group
Message-ID: <20f4bbc6-6b91-4d45-1c07-764befd8e1c0@web.de>

Hello,

initially I would like to update two links on

 ?? https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools

which point to non-existing pages:

  * http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ext/autosummary.html
  * http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ext/autodoc.html

Could you please add me to the editors group?

I am an experienced? python programmer, a.o.t. author of
https://pypi.org/project/kmeanstf/

Thanks and kind regards

Bernd


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From mats at wichmann.us  Sun Dec 15 10:44:57 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 08:44:57 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Please add me to the wiki editors group
In-Reply-To: <20f4bbc6-6b91-4d45-1c07-764befd8e1c0@web.de>
References: <20f4bbc6-6b91-4d45-1c07-764befd8e1c0@web.de>
Message-ID: <fa2ba188-f15d-370a-a150-94112a37e8e5@wichmann.us>

On 12/15/19 8:06 AM, Bernd Fritzke wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> initially I would like to update two links on
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools
> 
> which point to non-existing pages:
> 
>   * http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ext/autosummary.html
>   * http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ext/autodoc.html
> 
> Could you please add me to the editors group?

yes, but we need your wiki name to do so.

> 
> I am an experienced? python programmer, a.o.t. author of 
> https://pypi.org/project/kmeanstf/
> 
> Thanks and kind regards
> 
> Bernd

From mal at python.org  Mon Dec 16 03:58:23 2019
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 09:58:23 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Resource book lists are mostly one publishing
 house
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRCbjSp0m_q8RORk=U=V9rHmkafqry8QLSKX2optapF6tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALLG5hXZb0RYtCTMUHZT_kd7oqpjGPMP6zFHs9LiVR6T3ctR_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <98d0a8af-d0a2-956b-0c93-67df917b9614@wichmann.us>
 <CAMofdRCbjSp0m_q8RORk=U=V9rHmkafqry8QLSKX2optapF6tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b4f95cd4-35e7-bbba-9e27-244b885433d1@python.org>

Agreed. We had this discussion before, but no action was taken AFAIK.

On 15.12.2019 13:48, Steve Holden wrote:
> They've already been warned?once.
> 
> Personal opinion: they should?be stopped from spamming our Wiki, in
> which they currently have undue prominence.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Steve Holden
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 5:20 AM Mats Wichmann <mats at wichmann.us
> <mailto:mats at wichmann.us>> wrote:
> 
>     On 12/14/19 9:55 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote:
>     > Hello all,
>     >
>     > While going through the wiki working on Python 3 updates, I noticed
>     > that these two pages now stretch to hundreds of books from a single
>     > publisher:
>     >
>     >? ?https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
>     >? ?https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
>     >
>     > This seems like it runs into spamming/broad self-promotion more than a
>     > usefully curated list of resources, but I'm not familiar with how this
>     > wiki usually handles that kind of thing. Could someone more familiar
>     > with this wiki take a look?
> 
>     We do have one publisher - Packt - that keeps updating all the time.
>     They produce books at an astounding rate.? I've looked at a fair number
>     and they're not useless, although they're of fairly low quality in my
>     personal opinion - it's a kind of "book mill".
> 
>     I haven't a clue what we think we should do about them.? I think we
>     warned them a few times about changing the sorting to put their
>     books at
>     the top, and believe they stopped that and kept to the "alphabetical
>     order" we suggest. Beyond that... don't think we can say they're doing
>     something wrong. Without someone curating the list for quality,
>     which we
>     don't have, it's not clear there's any actual complaint we can make.
> 
>     Thanks for asking - it's a good question.
> 
>     Anybody else?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     pydotorg-www mailing list
>     pydotorg-www at python.org <mailto:pydotorg-www at python.org>
>     https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/

From steve at holdenweb.com  Mon Dec 16 12:58:49 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:58:49 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Resource book lists are mostly one publishing
 house
In-Reply-To: <b4f95cd4-35e7-bbba-9e27-244b885433d1@python.org>
References: <CALLG5hXZb0RYtCTMUHZT_kd7oqpjGPMP6zFHs9LiVR6T3ctR_A@mail.gmail.com>
 <98d0a8af-d0a2-956b-0c93-67df917b9614@wichmann.us>
 <CAMofdRCbjSp0m_q8RORk=U=V9rHmkafqry8QLSKX2optapF6tg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b4f95cd4-35e7-bbba-9e27-244b885433d1@python.org>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRA1RpCP6T=LnuQ7+Vdxb+FKpBtVDA34tJzfkRSn_HBVcA@mail.gmail.com>

Escalate this to Board? There are clearly sponsorship issues to be
considered, and I know Packt generates a portion of revenues to the
Foundation so this needs to be considered where all the information is
available. Copying PSF staffers in.

As a member of the sponsorship committee I believe it's time for the
Foundation to plant a clear stake in the ground, delete many or even all of
the references to Packt publications and publish a blog post stating why
the action was taken.

I believe Packt have taken advantage of a liberal regime, but I think
rather than being punitive we should simply "reset" them: our fault for not
being clearer about the rules, now EVERYBODY knows what they are let's
start again. Or maybe we just need wiki editors to start giving their
publications some honest reviews. I withdrew as an editorial consultant
from one proposed work that still went ahead despite
serious quality issues, and I have heard enough similar stories from other
authors/reviewers that I believe Packt's actions may be against the
membership's interests in promoting works of dubious value. The ultimate
decision, however, is well above my now happily lowly pay grade.

Given that I start my Christmas vacation tomorrow evening, let me take this
opportunity to wish all readers the very best of everything over their
festive season, and a prosperous new year.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 8:58 AM M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:

> Agreed. We had this discussion before, but no action was taken AFAIK.
>
> On 15.12.2019 13:48, Steve Holden wrote:
> > They've already been warned once.
> >
> > Personal opinion: they should be stopped from spamming our Wiki, in
> > which they currently have undue prominence.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Steve Holden
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 5:20 AM Mats Wichmann <mats at wichmann.us
> > <mailto:mats at wichmann.us>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 12/14/19 9:55 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote:
> >     > Hello all,
> >     >
> >     > While going through the wiki working on Python 3 updates, I noticed
> >     > that these two pages now stretch to hundreds of books from a single
> >     > publisher:
> >     >
> >     >   https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
> >     >   https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
> >     >
> >     > This seems like it runs into spamming/broad self-promotion more
> than a
> >     > usefully curated list of resources, but I'm not familiar with how
> this
> >     > wiki usually handles that kind of thing. Could someone more
> familiar
> >     > with this wiki take a look?
> >
> >     We do have one publisher - Packt - that keeps updating all the time.
> >     They produce books at an astounding rate.  I've looked at a fair
> number
> >     and they're not useless, although they're of fairly low quality in my
> >     personal opinion - it's a kind of "book mill".
> >
> >     I haven't a clue what we think we should do about them.  I think we
> >     warned them a few times about changing the sorting to put their
> >     books at
> >     the top, and believe they stopped that and kept to the "alphabetical
> >     order" we suggest. Beyond that... don't think we can say they're
> doing
> >     something wrong. Without someone curating the list for quality,
> >     which we
> >     don't have, it's not clear there's any actual complaint we can make.
> >
> >     Thanks for asking - it's a good question.
> >
> >     Anybody else?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     pydotorg-www mailing list
> >     pydotorg-www at python.org <mailto:pydotorg-www at python.org>
> >     https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> Python Software Foundation
> http://www.python.org/psf/
> http://www.malemburg.com/
>
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From hmadiset at akamai.com  Wed Dec 18 07:52:37 2019
From: hmadiset at akamai.com (Madisetty, Harish)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:52:37 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hyper link to pytest is not valid in
 PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page
Message-ID: <1F5D454C-8700-4ABD-9E40-8C8EEE366D5F@akamai.com>

Hi Team,
I found the hyperlink to the pytest in Unit Testing Tools is not valid anymore(https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy#Unit_Testing_Tools <https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy#Unit_Testing_Tools>)

Please update the hyperlink to http://pytest.org/en/latest/ <http://pytest.org/en/latest/> 

Thanks,
Harish Madisetty
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From mats at wichmann.us  Wed Dec 18 09:07:11 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:07:11 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hyper link to pytest is not valid in
 PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page
In-Reply-To: <1F5D454C-8700-4ABD-9E40-8C8EEE366D5F@akamai.com>
References: <1F5D454C-8700-4ABD-9E40-8C8EEE366D5F@akamai.com>
Message-ID: <0ef9f770-938f-5450-5bc6-5d90ca532ef4@wichmann.us>

On 12/18/19 5:52 AM, Madisetty, Harish via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hi Team,
> I found the hyperlink to the pytest in Unit Testing Tools is not valid 
> anymore(https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy#Unit_Testing_Tools)
> 
> Please update the hyperlink to http://pytest.org/en/latest/
> 
> Thanks,
> Harish Madisetty

usually we'd ask you create an account and ask to become an editor to 
contribute fixes - keep that in mind if you find further issues.

in this case it seemed quicker to just fix it - done.  thanks for 
reporting the problem!



From wes.turner at gmail.com  Fri Dec  6 10:39:22 2019
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 10:39:22 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] UBY, BUG: Responsive wiki templates,
 ENH: MoinMoin git storage, DOC: Guidelines for citations,
 ENH: Custom search engine?
In-Reply-To: <b956eeb5-b68b-43a1-e873-1ccbcf0d3ac5@wichmann.us>
References: <CACfEFw_dzucYnW=VnpMxUSaeOYK4MEqN=xkAuEYZ4YNyGf9H8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <b956eeb5-b68b-43a1-e873-1ccbcf0d3ac5@wichmann.us>
Message-ID: <CACfEFw8uiqA7Oxb_veygbxOYav7wxMZr=8upyR=1AZg-hLtw2A@mail.gmail.com>

The psf infrastructure team may have something to say about whether
upgrading moinmoin is a priority.

Creating a local instance for theme development should be pretty easy.

https://github.com/python/psf-salt/blob/master/salt/moin/init.sls

The first search result for "moinmoin responsive" appears to be based on
Bootstrap 3.2.0 from circa 5 years ago:

https://github.com/dossist/moinmoin-memodump

Bootstrap v3.3.7 is the latest 3.x, for which there are many free and paid
themes. That's a pretty much just a drop-in upgrade.

https://getbootstrap.com/docs/3.3/

Would it be as simple as adding the logo SVG and links to the sidebar?

...

That Makefile I shared pushes to the master and wiki branches (and then
pushes the built HTML to the gh-pages branch). Pull requests against the
master branch could easily be merged to the restricted wiki branch
automatically or with severely diligent human review. Though, I'm sure
there are a number of folks who would be hesitant to abandon moinmoin
maintenance by converting from moin syntax to RestructuredText (or
Markdown) with moin2rst or pandoc and just hosting with e.g. ReadTheDocs.

https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/19

Not a high priority for me personally, but there's definitely knowledge
that's not being captured to the wiki that could help everyone.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 9:26 AM Mats Wichmann <mats at wichmann.us> wrote:

> On 12/2/19 6:04 PM, Wes Turner wrote:
> > UBY,BUG: Create responsive wiki templates
> >
> > The wiki pages are not readable on mobile because the templates aren't
> > responsive.
>
> Sorry about that, I thought by sending you here it would draw some
> responses.
>
> After having a brief poke around I don't think MoinMoin directly
> supports a "responsive" design, though some people appear to have tried
> to get there via themes.  There appears to have been a Summer of Code
> project almost a decade ago now but I'm not finding  evidence that went
> mainstream.  At this point, I don't even know who "runs" the moinmoin
> instance... sigh.  Projects run by voluteers, you gotta love em'!!! I
> *think* our version is fairly old, and I'm not recalling any real
> appetite for upgrading.
>
> I have some experience with github wikis, I find them horrid, really
> wouldn't want to go that way unless there's considerable extra stuff to
> soup them up (your hybrid wiki/sphinx might fit that bill).  The PR
> mechanism doesn't extend to the wikis yet, afaik.
>
> -- mats
>
>
> >
> > There are docs for the python.org <http://python.org> site and the
> > Jinja2 templates and CSS are on GitHub:
> > - https://pythondotorg.readthedocs.io/
> > - https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/blob/master/templates/base.html
> >
> > Where are the MoinMoin Jinja2 (?) templates and CSS sources hosted?
> > Who owns these?
> > The site design team did a great job.
> > For the wiki, responsive breakpoints and minimal headers above the fold
> > would be great.
> >
> > Would it be easier to adapt/fork/brand/recognize existing responsive
> > MoinMoin templates?
> >
> > ...
> >
> > ENH: MoinMoin git storage / backend?
> >
> > A git backend with a repo in GitHub and evented bidirectional
> > synchronization might get the wiki the attention it needs.
> >
> > -
> https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/devel/development.html#storage
> >
> > People have moved to gh-pages, awesome lists (and hybrid GH wikis w/
> > Sphinx renders thereof [x]) for a multitude of reasons, I think. The
> > pull request workflow is very familiar to maintainers now.
> >
> > - https://devguide.python.org/
> > - https://docs.python.org/
> > - https://discuss.python.org/
> > - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=awesome+python+site%3Agithub.com
> > - https://github.com/quobit/awesome-python-in-education
> >
> > [x] https://github.com/westurner/wiki/issues/5
> > [y] https://github.com/westurner/wiki/blob/master/Makefile#L294
> >
> > ...
> >
> > DOC: Guidelines for citations
> >
> > I'm sending this to this list per a discussion and request in
> > "[python-dev] Mixed Python/C debugging" regarding the wiki and also
> > whether it's appropriate to reference e.g. third-party libraries and
> > tools that I just found in: the devguide, the wiki, the mailing list(s),
> > discuss.python.org <http://discuss.python.org>, StackOverflow, GitHub?
> >
> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev at python.org/thread/L2KBZM64MYPXIITN4UU3X6L4PZS2YRTB/
> >
> > ...
> >
> > ENH: Custom search engine?
> >
> > Maybe we don't even need a custom search engine because a
> > 'site:python.org <http://python.org>' search query is sufficient to
> > search the Python community(s) for tools and resources?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > pydotorg-www mailing list
> > pydotorg-www at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> >
>
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From neal at mcburnett.org  Thu Dec 19 10:22:30 2019
From: neal at mcburnett.org (Neal McBurnett)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:22:30 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing priviliges cf.
 https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage#use
Message-ID: <20191219152230.GJ5548@feynman>

Hello, esteemed python wiki maintainers!

I'm Login Name: NealMcBurnett

I created my wiki.python account back in 2007 as I recall, but haven't used it since 2013, so I just
reset my password.

I saw some out-of-date info at https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInMusic and wanted to fix it.

I've used wikis since hearing about them from their inventor, Ward Cunningham. I'm a regular editor since 2002 at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nealmcb) and much more.

Please add me to https://wiki.python.org/moin/EditorsGroup

Thanks!

Neal McBurnett                 http://neal.mcburnett.org/

From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu Dec 19 10:29:11 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 02:29:11 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editing priviliges cf.
 https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage#use
In-Reply-To: <20191219152230.GJ5548@feynman>
References: <20191219152230.GJ5548@feynman>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmrFFH6+QFMZYNpmvZkzuyNwGbcREn1g0WEd2FqwVZujGA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:25 AM Neal McBurnett <neal at mcburnett.org> wrote:
>
> Hello, esteemed python wiki maintainers!
>
> I'm Login Name: NealMcBurnett
>
> I created my wiki.python account back in 2007 as I recall, but haven't used it since 2013, so I just
> reset my password.
>
> I saw some out-of-date info at https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInMusic and wanted to fix it.
>
> I've used wikis since hearing about them from their inventor, Ward Cunningham. I'm a regular editor since 2002 at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nealmcb) and much more.
>
> Please add me to https://wiki.python.org/moin/EditorsGroup
>

Added! Thank you for your assistance. (And you have some quite notable
credentials, not that we require that of course!)

ChrisA

From raycxhuang at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 21:50:53 2019
From: raycxhuang at gmail.com (Ray Huang)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 13:50:53 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Editting Wiki
In-Reply-To: <CANLWkQ8Kq5zrDqbMJ_a0arKqC_TJ2Fxn1_6vo6Ef85HPj7027g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLWkQ8Kq5zrDqbMJ_a0arKqC_TJ2Fxn1_6vo6Ef85HPj7027g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANLWkQ_d=7TVvB6KmLJtziOAuGQqmS=nCbkkGNbwD8KeUhAZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sir/Madam,

I would like to request access to edit the wiki. The page I would like to
edit is my personal home page. My wiki account is RayHuang.

Thanks,
Ray Huang
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From raycxhuang at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 21:51:50 2019
From: raycxhuang at gmail.com (Ray Huang)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 13:51:50 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki
Message-ID: <CANLWkQ-g=0262omPEfB_tR1T_5Fs1xSKVXAg5QLVCOWZd2d_yA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sir/Madam,

I would like to request access to edit the wiki. The page I would like to
edit is my personal home page. My wiki account is RayHuang.

Thanks,
Ray Huang
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From m.komrij at beslist.nl  Mon Dec 30 08:46:26 2019
From: m.komrij at beslist.nl (Margriet Komrij)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:46:26 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Python success stories
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRD_WgtQiAcZZbHRTpBHzXizuk_DM6U6SiRmSHbvhJQ7cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AM6PR0402MB37991C0A05DBC5BC3D04915CFB5D0@AM6PR0402MB3799.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAMofdRD_WgtQiAcZZbHRTpBHzXizuk_DM6U6SiRmSHbvhJQ7cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR0402MB2745842A78600C8EBC34076AFB270@HE1PR0402MB2745.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Python.org Web Maintainers,

Hope you had a nice christmas! I hope you have received my enquiry from your webmaster collegues. If not I will write below what my question is.
We as beslist.nl<http://beslist.nl> have been implementing Python for about fifteen years now. I have learned from our technical department that we are happy using Python for data-analyses and machine learning. That is why we wondered if it is possible to team up and name our collaboration on the success stories page? https://www.python.org/success-stories/
We would be happy to let python.org<http://python.org> visitors know what Python does for us. I will explain a bit more about us and where Python is helping beslist.nl<http://beslist.nl>. We are a big online ?marketplace? in the Netherlands, there are around 10.000 web shops enclosed on our website. This means we have more than millions of items online on our website. Python helps us with making all the data manageable. On our database we use machine learning models from Python libraries, this ?data? output is processed in other systems that we use for our backend. Our programmers told me they find Python very useful for this.
I am curious what you think about it, would you be interested in putting our testimonial on your website? If you are interested, we can discuss together further how our mention on the success stories page will look like. Of course, I can ask one of our programmers to join me to explain more about the usage of Python in our company.
I look forward to your response. Have a nice day!
Met vriendelijke groet,

Margriet Komrij
Online Marketeer
[cid:image001.png at 01D5BF1E.23D98640]

Meander 825
6825 MH Arnhem
026 31 90 410
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Van: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
Verzonden: woensdag 4 december 2019 13:43
Aan: Margriet Komrij <m.komrij at beslist.nl>; pydotorg-www at python.org Web Maintainers <pydotorg-www at python.org>
CC: webmaster at python.org
Onderwerp: Re: [Webmaster] Python success stories

Hi Margriet,

I'm forwarding this message to the web maintainers, who ought to be able to put you in touch with the Success Stories' editor. In the event that you need further help, please don't hesitate to ask at webmaster again.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 8:09 AM Margriet Komrij <m.komrij at beslist.nl<mailto:m.komrij at beslist.nl>> wrote:
Dear Sir, Madam,

I hope I?m correct addressing this e-mail to you. If not, could you let me know who I should address this to?

We as beslist.nl<http://beslist.nl> have been implementing Python for about fifteen years now. I have learned from our technical department that we are happy using Python for data-analyses and machine learning. That is why we wondered if it is possible to team up and name our collaboration on the success stories page? https://www.python.org/success-stories/

We would be happy to let python.org<http://python.org> visitors know what Python does for us. I will explain a bit more about us and where Python is helping beslist.nl<http://beslist.nl>. We are a big online ?marketplace? in the Netherlands, there are around 10.000 web shops enclosed on our website. This means we have more than millions of items online on our website. Python helps us with making all the data manageable. On our database we use machine learning models from Python libraries, this ?data? output is processed in other systems that we use for our backend. Our programmers told me they find Python very useful for this.

I am curious what you think about it, would you be interested in putting our testimonial on your website? If you are interested, we can discuss together further how our mention on the success stories page will look like. Of course, I can ask one of our programmers to join me to explain more about the usage of Python in our company.

I look forward to your response. Have a nice day!

Best regards,

Margriet Komrij


Met vriendelijke groet,

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