From chivalry at mac.com  Fri May  3 16:22:07 2019
From: chivalry at mac.com (Charles Ross)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 13:22:07 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Tkinter Page
Message-ID: <741167BA-D81B-4B74-B484-713B255B2E07@mac.com>

There are some back links on this page. If given editing privileges, I?ll correct them.

CharlesRoss
github.com/chivalry

From rosuav at gmail.com  Fri May  3 16:22:58 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 06:22:58 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Tkinter Page
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On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 6:22 AM Charles Ross via pydotorg-www
<pydotorg-www at python.org> wrote:
>
> There are some back links on this page. If given editing privileges, I?ll correct them.
>
> CharlesRoss
> github.com/chivalry

Do you have a wiki account?

ChrisA

From rosuav at gmail.com  Fri May  3 16:28:11 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 06:28:11 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Tkinter Page
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On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 6:24 AM Charles Ross <chivalry at mac.com> wrote:
>
> The account name is ?CharlesRoss?, email address is chivalry at mac.com. I included my GitHub profile so you could see who I was. :)

Cool, I wasn't 100% sure and just wanted to clarify.

You should now have editing access. Thank you for your assistance in
keeping the wiki clean!

ChrisA

From rosuav at gmail.com  Sat May  4 01:35:33 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 15:35:33 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmodU900jh3DC-DAA=rC7kAzEaUFoUDduvU=4jv0S62_xQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does the main Python COC apply to pages on the wiki? If not, is there
some approximate equivalent that all wiki editors are bound to comply
with? I can't find anything specified.

The page in question is one that has been the focus of some discussion already:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools

The pdoc3 fork is technically legal, but is offensive in a number of ways:
* The wiki entry (until I edited it just now) implied heavily that
this was the sole fork worth considering
* The documentation at https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ deliberately and
gratuitously sneaks swastikas into the content
* The "What Users Are Saying" section may (unproven) be using quotes
not from users of the software, which (if true) would be
misrepresenting those people
* The overall tone of the page tends towards the caustic and divisive.

I'm not comfortable with the project in its current state, but am
unsure what, if any, rules have been violated. Seeking advice.

ChrisA

From mal at python.org  Sat May  4 06:00:23 2019
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 12:00:23 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmodU900jh3DC-DAA=rC7kAzEaUFoUDduvU=4jv0S62_xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3d78a25e-04f9-e9b6-89e2-f1b55e8a0058@python.org>

Hi Chris,

the PSF CoC applies to the wiki as well, but I'm not sure I follow
your comments regarding the page in question.

This is the version of the page you edited:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools?action=recall&rev=41

It simply says that the package is a maintained fork. I could not find
language which suggests that pdoc3 is better than the original and
it's certainly not offensive in any way.

Could you please clarify ?

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/
http://www.malemburg.com/



On 04.05.2019 07:35, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Does the main Python COC apply to pages on the wiki? If not, is there
> some approximate equivalent that all wiki editors are bound to comply
> with? I can't find anything specified.
> 
> The page in question is one that has been the focus of some discussion already:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools
> 
> The pdoc3 fork is technically legal, but is offensive in a number of ways:
> * The wiki entry (until I edited it just now) implied heavily that
> this was the sole fork worth considering
> * The documentation at https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ deliberately and
> gratuitously sneaks swastikas into the content
> * The "What Users Are Saying" section may (unproven) be using quotes
> not from users of the software, which (if true) would be
> misrepresenting those people
> * The overall tone of the page tends towards the caustic and divisive.
> 
> I'm not comfortable with the project in its current state, but am
> unsure what, if any, rules have been violated. Seeking advice.
> 
> ChrisA
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 



From tritium-list at sdamon.com  Sat May  4 08:36:47 2019
From: tritium-list at sdamon.com (Alex Walters)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 08:36:47 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pydotorg-www <pydotorg-www-bounces+tritium-
> list=sdamon.com at python.org> On Behalf Of Chris Angelico
> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 1:36 AM
> To: Public python.org Web Discussion List <pydotorg-www at python.org>
> Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
> 
> Does the main Python COC apply to pages on the wiki? If not, is there
> some approximate equivalent that all wiki editors are bound to comply
> with? I can't find anything specified.
> 
> The page in question is one that has been the focus of some discussion
> already:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools
> 
> The pdoc3 fork is technically legal, but is offensive in a number of ways:
> * The wiki entry (until I edited it just now) implied heavily that
> this was the sole fork worth considering

I didn't see that in the previous revisions

> * The documentation at https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ deliberately and
> gratuitously sneaks swastikas into the content

I do not see any, and I'm looking for them

> * The "What Users Are Saying" section may (unproven) be using quotes
> not from users of the software, which (if true) would be
> misrepresenting those people

I will bite my tongue on this allegation, but it suffices to say this does
not hold much water for me in THIS email.

> * The overall tone of the page tends towards the caustic and divisive.

Where you see caustic, I see tongue-in-cheek.

> 
> I'm not comfortable with the project in its current state, but am
> unsure what, if any, rules have been violated. Seeking advice.

The wiki entry didn't violate any rules.  The page you linked is on a
Microsoft/GitHub server, not a PSF one.  Does the CoC apply to literally
anyone anywhere that uses python, then?  Isn't that a little extreme?  I
don't remember seeing that in the python license.

> 
> ChrisA
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Sat May  4 08:40:17 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 22:40:17 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
In-Reply-To: <3d78a25e-04f9-e9b6-89e2-f1b55e8a0058@python.org>
References: <CAPTjJmodU900jh3DC-DAA=rC7kAzEaUFoUDduvU=4jv0S62_xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:00 PM M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> the PSF CoC applies to the wiki as well, but I'm not sure I follow
> your comments regarding the page in question.
>
> This is the version of the page you edited:
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools?action=recall&rev=41
>
> It simply says that the package is a maintained fork. I could not find
> language which suggests that pdoc3 is better than the original and
> it's certainly not offensive in any way.

Is it true that pdoc is unmaintained? If so, *its* entry should say
so, rather than having pdoc3 say that it is maintained (which implies
"hey, use this one").

It's one of those hard-to-pin-down things, but the wording just felt a
little too pushy and hostile.

ChrisA

From rosuav at gmail.com  Sat May  4 08:45:42 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 22:45:42 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
In-Reply-To: <000001d50276$0a7d06a0$1f7713e0$@sdamon.com>
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On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:36 PM Alex Walters <tritium-list at sdamon.com> wrote:
> > * The documentation at https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ deliberately and
> > gratuitously sneaks swastikas into the content
>
> I do not see any, and I'm looking for them

More info here:

https://github.com/mitmproxy/pdoc/issues/182#issuecomment-489293609

> > * The "What Users Are Saying" section may (unproven) be using quotes
> > not from users of the software, which (if true) would be
> > misrepresenting those people
>
> I will bite my tongue on this allegation, but it suffices to say this does
> not hold much water for me in THIS email.

What do you mean?

> > * The overall tone of the page tends towards the caustic and divisive.
>
> Where you see caustic, I see tongue-in-cheek.

Perhaps. If that were the only complaint, I wouldn't care.

> > I'm not comfortable with the project in its current state, but am
> > unsure what, if any, rules have been violated. Seeking advice.
>
> The wiki entry didn't violate any rules.  The page you linked is on a
> Microsoft/GitHub server, not a PSF one.  Does the CoC apply to literally
> anyone anywhere that uses python, then?  Isn't that a little extreme?  I
> don't remember seeing that in the python license.

I'm more thinking along the lines of "does the Python wiki want to
encourage this by linking to it", since the CoC does (confirmed by M-A
L) apply to the wiki itself. We can't take down the page, but if it is
offensive, we can choose to de-list it on the wiki. My apologies, I
should have been clearer on that point.

But if you feel that it's not a problem, then fine.

ChrisA

From tritium-list at sdamon.com  Sat May  4 09:05:00 2019
From: tritium-list at sdamon.com (Alex Walters)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 09:05:00 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pydotorg-www <pydotorg-www-bounces+tritium-
> list=sdamon.com at python.org> On Behalf Of Chris Angelico
> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:46 AM
> To: Public python.org Web Discussion List <pydotorg-www at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
> 
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:36 PM Alex Walters <tritium-list at sdamon.com>
> wrote:
> > > * The documentation at https://pdoc3.github.io/pdoc/ deliberately and
> > > gratuitously sneaks swastikas into the content
> >
> > I do not see any, and I'm looking for them
> 
> More info here:
> 
> https://github.com/mitmproxy/pdoc/issues/182#issuecomment-489293609
> 

With this added context, I think I understand where you are coming from a
lot more.

> > > * The "What Users Are Saying" section may (unproven) be using quotes
> > > not from users of the software, which (if true) would be
> > > misrepresenting those people
> >
> > I will bite my tongue on this allegation, but it suffices to say this
does
> > not hold much water for me in THIS email.
> 
> What do you mean?

... consider this part retracted with the additional context you provided.
On it's face it looked like you might have been misrepresenting the project
author, but that is unlikely given the context.  I apologize.

> 
> > > * The overall tone of the page tends towards the caustic and divisive.
> >
> > Where you see caustic, I see tongue-in-cheek.
> 
> Perhaps. If that were the only complaint, I wouldn't care.
> 
> > > I'm not comfortable with the project in its current state, but am
> > > unsure what, if any, rules have been violated. Seeking advice.
> >
> > The wiki entry didn't violate any rules.  The page you linked is on a
> > Microsoft/GitHub server, not a PSF one.  Does the CoC apply to literally
> > anyone anywhere that uses python, then?  Isn't that a little extreme?  I
> > don't remember seeing that in the python license.
> 
> I'm more thinking along the lines of "does the Python wiki want to
> encourage this by linking to it", since the CoC does (confirmed by M-A
> L) apply to the wiki itself. We can't take down the page, but if it is
> offensive, we can choose to de-list it on the wiki. My apologies, I
> should have been clearer on that point.
> 
> But if you feel that it's not a problem, then fine.
> 

I actually do see this as a sticky issue.  The python community code of
conduct is fairly vague.  The Contributor Code of Conduct is fairly
explicit, however, if this were a criminal proceeding... I don't think the
evidence exists to say that this is an obvious breach of either CoC.  It
looks like a carefully constructed troll.  That in itself would be enough to
call it a CoC violation if the trolling happened on PSF infrastructure, or a
PSF controlled github repo.  The page linked from the wiki includes symbols
some find offensive, but lacks context of intent - which makes me think the
user in question is a troll.  The link you posted which provided additional
context shows the user is a troll.

I kind of want to remove the link, but I don't know if it qualifies as a CoC
violation by the wording of either CoC.

> ChrisA
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


From rosuav at gmail.com  Sat May  4 09:14:19 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 23:14:19 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
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On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 11:05 PM Alex Walters <tritium-list at sdamon.com> wrote:
>
> I actually do see this as a sticky issue.  The python community code of
> conduct is fairly vague.  The Contributor Code of Conduct is fairly
> explicit, however, if this were a criminal proceeding... I don't think the
> evidence exists to say that this is an obvious breach of either CoC.  It
> looks like a carefully constructed troll.  That in itself would be enough to
> call it a CoC violation if the trolling happened on PSF infrastructure, or a
> PSF controlled github repo.  The page linked from the wiki includes symbols
> some find offensive, but lacks context of intent - which makes me think the
> user in question is a troll.  The link you posted which provided additional
> context shows the user is a troll.
>
> I kind of want to remove the link, but I don't know if it qualifies as a CoC
> violation by the wording of either CoC.

Yeah, and a CoC *should* be vague, because otherwise it just opens up
other forms of trolling (of the schoolchild level, "I'm not
TECHNICALLY breaking the rules...").

BTW, regarding the older project being unmaintained: it appears to
have gained a new maintainer just in the last day or so. If that's the
case, the original justification for attempting to take over the
project would not apply, and pdoc3 should be treated as a fork over
technical decisions instead (see the original post in the linked
GitHub issue, where he complains about certain design decisions). Not
sure if that changes anything though.

ChrisA

From tritium-list at sdamon.com  Sat May  4 09:52:47 2019
From: tritium-list at sdamon.com (Alex Walters)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 09:52:47 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pydotorg-www <pydotorg-www-bounces+tritium-
> list=sdamon.com at python.org> On Behalf Of Chris Angelico
> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:14 AM
> To: Public python.org Web Discussion List <pydotorg-www at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
> 
> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 11:05 PM Alex Walters <tritium-list at sdamon.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I actually do see this as a sticky issue.  The python community code of
> > conduct is fairly vague.  The Contributor Code of Conduct is fairly
> > explicit, however, if this were a criminal proceeding... I don't think
the
> > evidence exists to say that this is an obvious breach of either CoC.  It
> > looks like a carefully constructed troll.  That in itself would be
enough to
> > call it a CoC violation if the trolling happened on PSF infrastructure,
or a
> > PSF controlled github repo.  The page linked from the wiki includes
symbols
> > some find offensive, but lacks context of intent - which makes me think
the
> > user in question is a troll.  The link you posted which provided
additional
> > context shows the user is a troll.
> >
> > I kind of want to remove the link, but I don't know if it qualifies as a
CoC
> > violation by the wording of either CoC.
> 
> Yeah, and a CoC *should* be vague, because otherwise it just opens up
> other forms of trolling (of the schoolchild level, "I'm not
> TECHNICALLY breaking the rules...").
> 
> BTW, regarding the older project being unmaintained: it appears to
> have gained a new maintainer just in the last day or so. If that's the
> case, the original justification for attempting to take over the
> project would not apply, and pdoc3 should be treated as a fork over
> technical decisions instead (see the original post in the linked
> GitHub issue, where he complains about certain design decisions). Not
> sure if that changes anything though.
> 

I don't think that changes anything other than the fork having stale
marketing copy.

For the CoC issue, and if it does or does not violate the CoC, I think you
should fire this off to psf at python.org.  This is where I don't like
intentionally vague guidelines.  Yes, they stop schoolkid rule lawyering,
but it does mean we depend on adjudicators quite a bit.

> ChrisA
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
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> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www


From mats at wichmann.us  Sat May  4 13:00:04 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 11:00:04 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
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> For the CoC issue, and if it does or does not violate the CoC, I think you
> should fire this off to psf at python.org.  This is where I don't like
> intentionally vague guidelines.  Yes, they stop schoolkid rule lawyering,
> but it does mean we depend on adjudicators quite a bit.

There's never been anything easy about preventing abuse, every approach
has its problems - as a large number of problems have found out over the
past few years as it seems to have gotten more popular to complain about
bad actors (we always _used_ to say "don't feed the trolls", I think
it's become more recognized that approach is not really sufficient).

in any case, if we believe wiki contributions are covered by the CoC I
believe the wiki should say so explicitly. As Chris noted in starting
this iteration of the thread, it doesn't.  The front page doesn't, the
editing guidelines has some bullets but doesn't reference the CoC by
name.  Editors ought to be told...

Also while I agree a CoC should not be too specific, I really think this
one is too non-specific, as it doesn't say you have to follow it.

"When you're working with members of the community, we encourage you to
follow these guidelines"

That's a PSF matter, of course, but just sayin'....




From kerncece at gmail.com  Sat May  4 15:47:47 2019
From: kerncece at gmail.com (Kernc)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 21:47:47 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?
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pdoc3 maintainer here. Appreciate the chance to defend my position.

While I like to think the Python community benefits from my fork of
the pdoc project (I likely wouldn't have put such effort into it
otherwise!), I can't convincingly claim the project's website or its
light-hearted author are wholly idiot-proof. ?

I have read PSF's Python Community Code of Conduct and can't find a
single angle upon which my activity, either within work on the project
or in my editing of the wiki, appear to breach it. Neither am I a
purposeful troll, for the most part anyway.

Time will reveal for sure, but as of yet, I honestly believe the
original project to be abandoned. New bugs are left not responded to;
the two open pull requests?seeing no other activity, I assume that's
what ChrisA referred to as "appears to have gained a new
maintainer"??I can only look forward to seeing reviewed someday.
Sadly, the approved pdoc stewards just aren't giving due attention to
the awesome ideas that this project promotes. Pdoc3 fork is now better
in just about all objective technical and usability measures. Attempts
at rebuttal at one's own peril.

Regarding swastika concerns, I assure it's purely a matter of
misinterpretation. The swastikas present in the project website footer
are *not* Nazi symbolism in either shape nor spirit! They are, in
fact, Buddhist swastikas, put there as small lucky charms. (So far,
they seem to work.) With reference to Nazism occupying mere 15% of the
relevant Wikipedia article, and with ? a current letter in at least
five world alphabets, I'd expect more tact and presumption of
innocence before carelessly throwing around libelous implications.

For the above reasons, I believe listing pdoc3 as a useful
documentation generator on Python Wiki is justified. Hope you all can
find reason to agree.

Thank you.
?????

From theflossinformation at yandex.com  Sun May  5 13:10:17 2019
From: theflossinformation at yandex.com (The FLOSS Information)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 20:10:17 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] About translation
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Sun May  5 15:38:18 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 20:38:18 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] About translation
In-Reply-To: <17951851557076217@myt6-fe24916a5562.qloud-c.yandex.net>
References: <17951851557076217@myt6-fe24916a5562.qloud-c.yandex.net>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRAPqQwbHFU8orvr0qRxXWb+h-cKymwQXw0A_GbpCbAdmg@mail.gmail.com>

The PSF has a documentation group who will, I am sure, be delighted to
welcome you into the community and help you make plans for your translation.

I'm not actually sure whether you'd be better talking to doc-sig (
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/doc-sig) or the docs list (
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/docs. A glimpse at the archives
indicates the latter is rather more active, so probably start there.

Many thanks for your interest in Python and your willingness to help serve
its communities!

Kind regards
Steve Holden


On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 6:12 PM The FLOSS Information <
theflossinformation at yandex.com> wrote:

> I want to translate the documents on your site into another language, but
> I think the documents are protected by copyright. What can I do?
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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From mats at wichmann.us  Sun May  5 17:06:39 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 15:06:39 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster]  About translation
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRAPqQwbHFU8orvr0qRxXWb+h-cKymwQXw0A_GbpCbAdmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17951851557076217@myt6-fe24916a5562.qloud-c.yandex.net>
 <CAMofdRAPqQwbHFU8orvr0qRxXWb+h-cKymwQXw0A_GbpCbAdmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a17c5f5-c839-bfe6-8545-04d6d59cbc63@wichmann.us>

On 5/5/19 1:38 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> The PSF has a documentation group who will, I am sure, be delighted to
> welcome you into the community and help you make plans for your translation.
> 
> I'm not actually sure whether you'd be better talking to doc-sig
> (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/doc-sig) or the docs list
> (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/docs. A glimpse at the
> archives indicates the latter is rather more active, so probably start
> there.

on the other hand, doc-sig has had all its recent discussions be
specifically about translations.

Please read this as a starting point:

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0545/


From theflossinformation at yandex.com  Mon May  6 09:06:15 2019
From: theflossinformation at yandex.com (The FLOSS Information)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2019 16:06:15 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster]  About translation
In-Reply-To: <8a17c5f5-c839-bfe6-8545-04d6d59cbc63@wichmann.us>
References: <17951851557076217@myt6-fe24916a5562.qloud-c.yandex.net>
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 <8a17c5f5-c839-bfe6-8545-04d6d59cbc63@wichmann.us>
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From mats at wichmann.us  Mon May  6 11:04:43 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 09:04:43 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster]  About translation
In-Reply-To: <32691551557147975@sas1-633109cb7707.qloud-c.yandex.net>
References: <17951851557076217@myt6-fe24916a5562.qloud-c.yandex.net>
 <CAMofdRAPqQwbHFU8orvr0qRxXWb+h-cKymwQXw0A_GbpCbAdmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <8a17c5f5-c839-bfe6-8545-04d6d59cbc63@wichmann.us>
 <32691551557147975@sas1-633109cb7707.qloud-c.yandex.net>
Message-ID: <a8cad517-5ba1-b46d-775c-539aafaaa2a4@wichmann.us>

On 5/6/19 7:06 AM, The FLOSS Information wrote:
> I have a GitHub account, but is CC0 used for English translations? Also,
> where can I find files with the ".po" extension?

people on those mailing lists should be able to help.

> ?
> 06.05.2019, 00:06, "Mats Wichmann" <mats at wichmann.us>:
> 
>     On 5/5/19 1:38 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> 
>         ?The PSF has a documentation group who will, I am sure, be
>         delighted to
>         ?welcome you into the community and help you make plans for your
>         translation.
> 
>         ?I'm not actually sure whether you'd be better talking to doc-sig
>         ?(https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/doc-sig) or the docs list
>         ?(https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/docs. A glimpse at the
>         ?archives indicates the latter is rather more active, so
>         probably start
>         ?there.
> 
> 
>     on the other hand, doc-sig has had all its recent discussions be
>     specifically about translations.
> 
>     Please read this as a starting point:
> 
>     https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0545/
>     ?
> 


From carl at nextdayvideo.com  Tue May  7 13:38:38 2019
From: carl at nextdayvideo.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 12:38:38 -0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] porting v2 example code
Message-ID: <CADmzSSgx6jomJRrCdo8fvrQEKGYk7UZcmxpaKoX1qtvsSZmLHw@mail.gmail.com>

I just bumped into a print commend:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/BaseHttpServer#Responding_with_URL_Redirection

I was thinking "I should click Edit and fix this."  but then was
wondering "how can I fix all of them everywhere?"    and then "I can't
be the first one to think of this.. I wander what others have
thought?"

So, anyone have any thoughts on migrating example code?

-- 
Carl K

From gj1will at gmail.com  Thu May  9 23:06:00 2019
From: gj1will at gmail.com (Graham Williamson)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 13:06:00 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Edit of LocalUserGroups
Message-ID: <CAOfCJH9yzMYjphuC72KKy+43ym4iO1cEEPF6Fdjfec07o_wR9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'd like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Australia to
add a new Python meetup group that I've started here in Wollongong.

My wiki username is GrahamWilliamson

Kind Regards,
Graham
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu May  9 23:21:14 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 13:21:14 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Edit of LocalUserGroups
In-Reply-To: <CAOfCJH9yzMYjphuC72KKy+43ym4iO1cEEPF6Fdjfec07o_wR9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOfCJH9yzMYjphuC72KKy+43ym4iO1cEEPF6Fdjfec07o_wR9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmpnM7w9dY+QvLPOKZvw=-W2M=9ug0qsCfaZADyBcR32pw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 1:06 PM Graham Williamson <gj1will at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups#Australia to add a new Python meetup group that I've started here in Wollongong.
>
> My wiki username is GrahamWilliamson
>

No probs! Have at it.

ChrisA

From oliver at bestwalter.de  Fri May 17 07:45:12 2019
From: oliver at bestwalter.de (Oliver Bestwalter)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 13:45:12 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hi, I'd like to update the PyTest page in the wiki
Message-ID: <bc66bc8d-6c12-5a50-dc6c-f36964a6a2a0@bestwalter.de>

Hello,

I am Oliver and I have an obsessive streak regarding the spelling of
library names.

So, I'd like to correct PyTest to pytest and also update the invocation
name as since version 3 the recommended command line invocation is
pytest and not py.test anymore.

Cheers,
Oliver
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From oliver at bestwalter.de  Fri May 17 07:46:08 2019
From: oliver at bestwalter.de (Oliver Bestwalter)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 13:46:08 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] oops
Message-ID: <14a97a03-6fc3-7a57-8a4b-2b534ed1e2e3@bestwalter.de>

Addendum to the last message: username is OliverBestwalter
(https://wiki.python.org/moin/OliverBestwalter) thanks :)
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Fri May 17 09:09:57 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 14:09:57 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] oops
In-Reply-To: <14a97a03-6fc3-7a57-8a4b-2b534ed1e2e3@bestwalter.de>
References: <14a97a03-6fc3-7a57-8a4b-2b534ed1e2e3@bestwalter.de>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRCY90PeDoua+wDtWADeXgTeTU9E8__ANFmKDgVLCZLU6A@mail.gmail.com>

You are now a member of the Editors group. Thanks for taking an interest in
the Wiki!

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:47 PM Oliver Bestwalter <oliver at bestwalter.de>
wrote:

> Addendum to the last message: username is OliverBestwalter
> (https://wiki.python.org/moin/OliverBestwalter) thanks :)
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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From igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br  Mon May 20 19:02:26 2019
From: igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br (Igor Rocha)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 20:02:26 -0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit Python Wiki
Message-ID: <CA+unODT6E3HWAF_AC9=Az9E4Gh2AcQizGe451Mi7vU2G8JNCfA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm a computer engineering student from Brazil, who have taught Python for
engineer undergrads for more than two years. Today I'm working at Classpert
- an online course meta-search and aggreagation engine with over 130000
courses already. I'm getting in touch to check if I could edit this page:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers and include a
link to our page regarding Python courses:
https://classpert.com/python-programming

I saw that the last edit was made by letsfindcourse, a tool that is very
similar to ours, so I hope this kind of link doesn't break any Wiki
guidelines. We would also love to hear feedback from the wik maintainers on
how we could provide more insights that could be useful for Python learners.

Best regards,

--
Igor Rocha
Undergraduate Student
Computer & Information Engineering
Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ)
Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/igorandraderocha>
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Mon May 20 20:30:58 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 10:30:58 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit Python Wiki
In-Reply-To: <CA+unODT6E3HWAF_AC9=Az9E4Gh2AcQizGe451Mi7vU2G8JNCfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+unODT6E3HWAF_AC9=Az9E4Gh2AcQizGe451Mi7vU2G8JNCfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmrnCRBewZorxu0RtkLAZizBu68cNn4TYkrYLzYpg2oXRQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:03 AM Igor Rocha <igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm a computer engineering student from Brazil, who have taught Python for engineer undergrads for more than two years. Today I'm working at Classpert - an online course meta-search and aggreagation engine with over 130000 courses already. I'm getting in touch to check if I could edit this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers and include a link to our page regarding Python courses: https://classpert.com/python-programming
>
> I saw that the last edit was made by letsfindcourse, a tool that is very similar to ours, so I hope this kind of link doesn't break any Wiki guidelines. We would also love to hear feedback from the wik maintainers on how we could provide more insights that could be useful for Python learners.
>

Yes, that's a completely legit use of the wiki. In order to make edits
like that, you'll need to have an editing account; once you have that,
let us know the name you've picked, and we can empower you with
editing access.

All the best!

ChrisA

From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue May 21 04:11:41 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 09:11:41 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit Python Wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmrnCRBewZorxu0RtkLAZizBu68cNn4TYkrYLzYpg2oXRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+unODT6E3HWAF_AC9=Az9E4Gh2AcQizGe451Mi7vU2G8JNCfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmrnCRBewZorxu0RtkLAZizBu68cNn4TYkrYLzYpg2oXRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRBxzG=qOBN0D5t42CShh_GLfh8Hvg-AX6rY0aiWuSwpNA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Igor,

I just want to add my thanks for taking the time to help keep the Wiki
current and relevant.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 1:31 AM Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:03 AM Igor Rocha <igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm a computer engineering student from Brazil, who have taught Python
> for engineer undergrads for more than two years. Today I'm working at
> Classpert - an online course meta-search and aggreagation engine with over
> 130000 courses already. I'm getting in touch to check if I could edit this
> page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers and
> include a link to our page regarding Python courses:
> https://classpert.com/python-programming
> >
> > I saw that the last edit was made by letsfindcourse, a tool that is very
> similar to ours, so I hope this kind of link doesn't break any Wiki
> guidelines. We would also love to hear feedback from the wik maintainers on
> how we could provide more insights that could be useful for Python learners.
> >
>
> Yes, that's a completely legit use of the wiki. In order to make edits
> like that, you'll need to have an editing account; once you have that,
> let us know the name you've picked, and we can empower you with
> editing access.
>
> All the best!
>
> ChrisA
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
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From igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br  Tue May 21 13:45:56 2019
From: igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br (Igor Rocha)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 14:45:56 -0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit Python Wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmrnCRBewZorxu0RtkLAZizBu68cNn4TYkrYLzYpg2oXRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+unODT6E3HWAF_AC9=Az9E4Gh2AcQizGe451Mi7vU2G8JNCfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmrnCRBewZorxu0RtkLAZizBu68cNn4TYkrYLzYpg2oXRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+unODR5iorNnyAjEnRtn-BPgx-UbTLLE8UPr1AhAf2TmWNhcw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris,

thanks for the reply! My username on the wiki is IgorRocha.
Best regards,

Igor Rocha

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:31 PM Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:03 AM Igor Rocha <igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm a computer engineering student from Brazil, who have taught Python
> for engineer undergrads for more than two years. Today I'm working at
> Classpert - an online course meta-search and aggreagation engine with over
> 130000 courses already. I'm getting in touch to check if I could edit this
> page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers and
> include a link to our page regarding Python courses:
> https://classpert.com/python-programming
> >
> > I saw that the last edit was made by letsfindcourse, a tool that is very
> similar to ours, so I hope this kind of link doesn't break any Wiki
> guidelines. We would also love to hear feedback from the wik maintainers on
> how we could provide more insights that could be useful for Python learners.
> >
>
> Yes, that's a completely legit use of the wiki. In order to make edits
> like that, you'll need to have an editing account; once you have that,
> let us know the name you've picked, and we can empower you with
> editing access.
>
> All the best!
>
> ChrisA
>
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue May 21 13:56:40 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:40 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit Python Wiki
In-Reply-To: <CA+unODR5iorNnyAjEnRtn-BPgx-UbTLLE8UPr1AhAf2TmWNhcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+unODT6E3HWAF_AC9=Az9E4Gh2AcQizGe451Mi7vU2G8JNCfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmrnCRBewZorxu0RtkLAZizBu68cNn4TYkrYLzYpg2oXRQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+unODR5iorNnyAjEnRtn-BPgx-UbTLLE8UPr1AhAf2TmWNhcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmoigtVKxuEmCQPkstAWoR5NM3cWs_05h8S1Fa=9k3GkaA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:46 AM Igor Rocha <igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> thanks for the reply! My username on the wiki is IgorRocha.
> Best regards,
>
> Igor Rocha

Cool! Have at it - you should now be able to make edits.

ChrisA

From igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br  Tue May 21 14:25:19 2019
From: igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br (Igor Rocha)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 15:25:19 -0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit Python Wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmoigtVKxuEmCQPkstAWoR5NM3cWs_05h8S1Fa=9k3GkaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+unODT6E3HWAF_AC9=Az9E4Gh2AcQizGe451Mi7vU2G8JNCfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmrnCRBewZorxu0RtkLAZizBu68cNn4TYkrYLzYpg2oXRQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+unODR5iorNnyAjEnRtn-BPgx-UbTLLE8UPr1AhAf2TmWNhcw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPTjJmoigtVKxuEmCQPkstAWoR5NM3cWs_05h8S1Fa=9k3GkaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+unODQupPTBh6DfheG+ve61oijoVZgy0uk=iyRXB4+D=P8H+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thank a lot, Chris! I will be making the edit today.

Igor

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 2:56 PM Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:46 AM Igor Rocha <igor.rocha at poli.ufrj.br>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > thanks for the reply! My username on the wiki is IgorRocha.
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Igor Rocha
>
> Cool! Have at it - you should now be able to make edits.
>
> ChrisA
>
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From Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com  Tue May 21 14:44:29 2019
From: Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com (Matt Callaghan)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 18:44:29 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
Message-ID: <697e45eb648ed60db3cbdfc180668db7d4138371.camel@bsmtechnologies.com>

Good day,

Suggestion:

We may want to edit this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3

To denote the reality of: https://pythonclock.org/
(Jan2020 Python2 EoL)

Thank you


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From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue May 21 14:48:06 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 04:48:06 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
In-Reply-To: <697e45eb648ed60db3cbdfc180668db7d4138371.camel@bsmtechnologies.com>
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On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:44 AM Matt Callaghan
<Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com> wrote:
>
> Good day,
>
> Suggestion:
>
> We may want to edit this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3
>
> To denote the reality of: https://pythonclock.org/
> (Jan2020 Python2 EoL)
>

I'd be happy to give you editing access to make this sort of change
yourself. Be aware that doing so may shift the tone of the entire
page, from "well, Py3 is preferred long-term option, but Py2 is still
pretty reasonable" to "Py3 is basically the only viable option for
anything beyond the near future". That will probably necessitate other
edits.

ChrisA

From Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com  Tue May 21 15:19:21 2019
From: Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com (Matt Callaghan)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 19:19:21 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
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Message-ID: <88367401ce128f6b93698616348be50b8f3248f7.camel@bsmtechnologies.com>

Thanks Chris - and I completely agree with your point.

What is the community's preference to that consideration?

The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that says the summary of:
"It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page is largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it provides value for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."


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To: Matt Callaghan <Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com<mailto:Matt%20Callaghan%20%3cMatt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com%3e>>
Cc: pydotorg-www at python.org <pydotorg-www at python.org<mailto:%22pydotorg-www at python.org%22%20%3cpydotorg-www at python.org%3e>>
Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 04:48:06 +1000


On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:44 AM Matt Callaghan

<Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com<mailto:Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com>> wrote:


Good day,


Suggestion:


We may want to edit this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3


To denote the reality of: https://pythonclock.org/

(Jan2020 Python2 EoL)



I'd be happy to give you editing access to make this sort of change

yourself. Be aware that doing so may shift the tone of the entire

page, from "well, Py3 is preferred long-term option, but Py2 is still

pretty reasonable" to "Py3 is basically the only viable option for

anything beyond the near future". That will probably necessitate other

edits.


ChrisA

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From rosuav at gmail.com  Tue May 21 15:25:29 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 05:25:29 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
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On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 5:19 AM Matt Callaghan
<Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Chris - and I completely agree with your point.
>
> What is the community's preference to that consideration?
>
> The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that says the summary of:
> "It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page is largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it provides value for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."
>

I can't speak for everyone, only myself. Personally, I think the page
should basically say "use Python 3 unless you're maintaining legacy
code", with some elaborating information; other people may have other
preferred pitches.

But if you want to keep it really simple, then something like you say
will be of value, and will take a lot less effort.

ChrisA

From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue May 21 18:00:26 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 23:00:26 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
In-Reply-To: <CAPTjJmoEyTAoah-ff7KnZxOso4L08LD-+qveSWjizJqMU1uyPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <697e45eb648ed60db3cbdfc180668db7d4138371.camel@bsmtechnologies.com>
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Ni, all. (That was a typo for "Hi", but it remains in homage to Brett
Cannon).

As the author of the "Migration and Coexistence" chapter of "Python in a
Nutshell" this is a topic I've been following quite closely, though more
from the "regular user" point of view than as a developer. I'd be happy to
take part in an email discussion about the shape and tone of the proposed
content, given the significance of this year-end. I can't guarantee having
much time to do the actual writing, but will undertake to at least stay in
touch with the process.

My own personal preference would be to wave a respectful goodbye to 2.7
from the (Python core) developer community, with encouragement to all who
aspire to the open source ethic to continue to breathe life into those bits
that remain useful. Probably the same question should be debated within the
PSF more broadly, since the Foundation might well be prepared to act as a
continued conduit for support to the Python 2 community.

The main thrust should definitely be "only if you absolutely have to, for
well-defined reasons." I could list some good reasons. The tone should be
forward-looking without sounding in any way triumphal or
self-congratulatory. With a definite conclusion that Python 2's future is
assured as long as it retains the same active community spirit that it
created.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:25 PM Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 5:19 AM Matt Callaghan
> <Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Chris - and I completely agree with your point.
> >
> > What is the community's preference to that consideration?
> >
> > The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that says
> the summary of:
> > "It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page is
> largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it provides value
> for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."
> >
>
> I can't speak for everyone, only myself. Personally, I think the page
> should basically say "use Python 3 unless you're maintaining legacy
> code", with some elaborating information; other people may have other
> preferred pitches.
>
> But if you want to keep it really simple, then something like you say
> will be of value, and will take a lot less effort.
>
> ChrisA
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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From mats at wichmann.us  Tue May 21 19:12:53 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 17:12:53 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
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On 5/21/19 4:00 PM, Steve Holden wrote:

> My own personal preference would be to wave a respectful goodbye to 2.7
> from the (Python core) developer community, with encouragement to all
> who aspire to the open source ethic to continue to breathe life into
> those bits that remain useful. Probably the same question should be
> debated within the PSF more broadly, since the Foundation might well be
> prepared to act as a continued conduit for support to the Python 2
> community.
> 
> The main thrust should definitely be "only if you absolutely have to,
> for well-defined reasons

and more

>     >
>     > The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that
>     says the summary of:
>     > "It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page
>     is largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it
>     provides value for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."
>     >
> 
>     I can't speak for everyone, only myself. Personally, I think the page
>     should basically say "use Python 3 unless you're maintaining legacy
>     code", with some elaborating information; other people may have other
>     preferred pitches.
obviously it's going to be an opinionated thing. and the wiki is fine
for that (to an extent), I don't think we need to worry quite as much
about "what policy does the PSF want to follow" here before even getting
started... and if someone takes offense "we" can just edit it some more.

So I'd say if there's an editor who feels strongly about improving it,
just go ahead and improve it. and then we can look at it and react. It's
possible to subscribe to page changes, which I do, I'll pop up with
something if I think it's worth it.

In My So Verrrry Humble Opinion, any efforts to keep pages current are
better than waiting around to get lots of people to agree minute details
and as a result things staying stale... stale being always a wiki risk
anyways.


From mal at python.org  Wed May 22 03:36:46 2019
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 09:36:46 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
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On 21.05.2019 21:19, Matt Callaghan wrote:
> Thanks Chris - and I completely agree with your point.
> 
> What is the community's preference to that consideration?
> 
> The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that says
> the summary of:
> "It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page is
> largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it provides
> value for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."

+1

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> -----Original Message-----
> *From*: Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com
> <mailto:Chris%20Angelico%20%3crosuav at gmail.com%3e>>
> *To*: Matt Callaghan <Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com
> <mailto:Matt%20Callaghan%20%3cMatt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com%3e>>
> *Cc*: pydotorg-www at python.org <pydotorg-www at python.org
> <mailto:%22pydotorg-www at python.org%22%20%3cpydotorg-www at python.org%3e>>
> *Subject*: Re: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
> *Date*: Wed, 22 May 2019 04:48:06 +1000
> 
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:44 AM Matt Callaghan
> 
> <Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com
> <mailto:Matt.Callaghan at bsmtechnologies.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Good day,
> 
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> 
> We may want to edit this page: https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3
> 
> 
> To denote the reality of: https://pythonclock.org/
> 
> (Jan2020 Python2 EoL)
> 
> 
> 
> I'd be happy to give you editing access to make this sort of change
> 
> yourself. Be aware that doing so may shift the tone of the entire
> 
> page, from "well, Py3 is preferred long-term option, but Py2 is still
> 
> pretty reasonable" to "Py3 is basically the only viable option for
> 
> anything beyond the near future". That will probably necessitate other
> 
> edits.
> 
> 
> ChrisA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 

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From steve at holdenweb.com  Wed May 22 03:52:00 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 08:52:00 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"
In-Reply-To: <0d9694cd-d2d3-0c54-b262-7955a96e2872@wichmann.us>
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On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:15 AM Mats Wichmann <mats at wichmann.us> wrote:

> On 5/21/19 4:00 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
>
> > My own personal preference would be to wave a respectful goodbye to 2.7
> > from the (Python core) developer community, with encouragement to all
> > who aspire to the open source ethic to continue to breathe life into
> > those bits that remain useful. Probably the same question should be
> > debated within the PSF more broadly, since the Foundation might well be
> > prepared to act as a continued conduit for support to the Python 2
> > community.
> >
> > The main thrust should definitely be "only if you absolutely have to,
> > for well-defined reasons
> [...]
>
> In My So Verrrry Humble Opinion, any efforts to keep pages current are
> better than waiting around to get lots of people to agree minute details
> and as a result things staying stale... stale being always a wiki risk
> anyways.
>
> True, that. I was probably exercising An Abundance of Caution given that
the 2 to 3 transition has been known to excite people's sensibilities.
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From me at benmezger.nl  Thu May 23 10:18:51 2019
From: me at benmezger.nl (Ben Mezger)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 11:18:51 -0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Edit PythonDebuggingTools page
Message-ID: <CANLyGzZSmbp6gEMSZjqUSeH0go8K_Qvjc=4Hx-X+HHEaiXxQ-w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just created an account, and I would like to edit the Python debugging
tools page [1] to add a few more tools I've found interesting.

Username: seds

[1] - https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDebuggingTools

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From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu May 23 10:26:21 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 00:26:21 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Edit PythonDebuggingTools page
In-Reply-To: <CANLyGzZSmbp6gEMSZjqUSeH0go8K_Qvjc=4Hx-X+HHEaiXxQ-w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:19 AM Ben Mezger <me at benmezger.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just created an account, and I would like to edit the Python debugging
> tools page [1] to add a few more tools I've found interesting.
>
> Username: seds
>
> [1] - https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDebuggingTools
>

Go for it! You should have editing access.

ChrisA

From arham at datasciencedojo.com  Thu May 23 19:03:18 2019
From: arham at datasciencedojo.com (Arham Akheel)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 23:03:18 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB409270640CDC4294D0B6FA74A8010@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

We would like to add free python tutorials on to one of the wiki pages for the community to make use and learn from our free resources.

Here is the page we would like to add our tutorials: https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers

We have some of the top getting started tutorials for Python we'd like to add to the list, here's a link to our tutorials: https://tutorials.datasciencedojo.com/category/python-tutorial/

Please grant editor privileges to the account with email arhamakheel at yahoo.com.

Looking forward to getting added to the editor's list.

Thank you,
Arham
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Fri May 24 05:51:07 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 10:51:07 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin
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Hi there,

Thanks for your interest in the Wiki, but I regret to add you to the
editors' group we need the Wiki account _name_, not the email address.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:03 AM Arham Akheel <arham at datasciencedojo.com>
wrote:

> We would like to add free python tutorials on to one of the wiki pages for
> the community to make use and learn from our free resources.
>
> Here is the page we would like to add our tutorials:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers
>
> We have some of the top getting started tutorials for Python we'd like to
> add to the list, here's a link to our tutorials:
> https://tutorials.datasciencedojo.com/category/python-tutorial/
>
> Please grant editor privileges to the account with email
> arhamakheel at yahoo.com.
>
> Looking forward to getting added to the editor's list.
>
> Thank you,
> Arham
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Sun May 26 08:22:24 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 13:22:24 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] wiki.python.org 504 gateway timeout
 when logging in
In-Reply-To: <CA+cw5+70P46GrJ8KN=ejg6OLC3q1BTGsH57wT04d9D0726WD+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+cw5+61-tcJrbX3F2yGhUA5xPbL1pSYuhbs5vwJJjFKZu0omw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMofdRAyjARBXcP_PcAk19bzB0XPdd7E97BauT8FPkbF7BR3JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thomas,

It may be that those more involved on the tech side of the web might be
able to shed some light, so I'm copying them in. This must be very
irritating.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:43 PM Thomas Hybel <tehybel2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to look into this.
>
> I'm connecting from a home network -- there's no proxy or anything
> similar. I've tried connecting from several physical locations as well, all
> located in Denmark.
>
> I'm unable to give more information because there isn't more to give.
> Logging in takes maybe 30 seconds, and then I get a 504 gateway timeout.
> I've looked in the browser dev tools, and there's really only that. Just
> one request returning 504.
>
> I understand you can't do anything else with my information. I don't know
> how to proceed either. But let me know if I can be of further help.
>
> -- Thomas
>
> On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 20:00, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> Without any further information, all I can tell you is it works for me. I
>> realise that isn't helpful, but at least it eliminates server failure as a
>> cause - I was able to log in quite normally. Is it possible your
>> organisation uses some proxy that, for whatever reason, won't relay
>> towiki.pytho .org?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Steve Holden
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:04 PM Thomas Hybel <tehybel2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> When I log in to the python.org wiki here, I get a 504 gateway timeout:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide?action=login
>>>
>>> I've tried launchpad, registering a user directly on the site, and
>>> nothing works. I've tried Chrome and Firefox. It's been like this for over
>>> a month now. Could you look into it?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Thomas
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Webmaster mailing list
>>> Webmaster at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/webmaster
>>>
>>
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue May 28 04:01:33 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 09:01:33 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] bugs.python.org login not work
In-Reply-To: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC797@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
References: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC797@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRAZKV9fFOoG+=9=QR3xdA7iMAsQRpdnj0tKKVzC7FDCag@mail.gmail.com>

I believe OAuth authentication (which I believe was OpenId) has been
removed rather than undertake the work of updating to more recent
standards. But that happened (I believe) several years ago, so if this is a
recent issue (i.e. if it only changed for you last week) then we should
identify the problem.

Copied to the pydotorg-www list, for their attention, since webmaster is
mostly about content.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 8:45 AM Osipov, Michael <michael.osipov at siemens.com>
wrote:

> Hey there,
>
> I hope this is the right channel.
>
> One cannot login with Google ID to bpo anymore. It simply gives me:
> Provider could not be found on both Firefox and IE.
> Can someone please take a look at?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> Webmaster mailing list
> Webmaster at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/webmaster
>
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From michael.osipov at siemens.com  Tue May 28 04:59:56 2019
From: michael.osipov at siemens.com (Osipov, Michael)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 08:59:56 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] bugs.python.org login not work
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRAZKV9fFOoG+=9=QR3xdA7iMAsQRpdnj0tKKVzC7FDCag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC797@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
 <CAMofdRAZKV9fFOoG+=9=QR3xdA7iMAsQRpdnj0tKKVzC7FDCag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC7D7@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>

Hi Steve,

it worked for me three weeks ago with my Google ID. I have created tickets back then.
Let's wait and see whether someone finds the cause.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 10:02 AM
> To: Osipov, Michael (LDA IT PLM) <michael.osipov at siemens.com>
> Cc: pydotorg-www at python.org Food <pydotorg-www at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Webmaster] bugs.python.org login not work
> 
> I believe OAuth authentication (which I believe was OpenId) has been removed
> rather than undertake the work of updating to more recent standards. But that
> happened (I believe) several years ago, so if this is a recent issue (i.e. if it only
> changed for you last week) then we should identify the problem.
> 
> Copied to the pydotorg-www list, for their attention, since webmaster is mostly
> about content.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Steve Holden
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 8:45 AM Osipov, Michael <michael.osipov at siemens.com
> <mailto:michael.osipov at siemens.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Hey there,
> 
> 	I hope this is the right channel.
> 
> 	One cannot login with Google ID to bpo anymore. It simply gives me:
> Provider could not be found on both Firefox and IE.
> 	Can someone please take a look at?
> 
> 
> 	Best regards,
> 
> 	Michael
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	Webmaster mailing list
> 	Webmaster at python.org <mailto:Webmaster at python.org>
> 	https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/webmaster
> 


From berker.peksag at gmail.com  Tue May 28 07:13:40 2019
From: berker.peksag at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Berker_Peksa=C4=9F?=)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 14:13:40 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] bugs.python.org login not work
In-Reply-To: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC7D7@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
References: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC797@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
 <CAMofdRAZKV9fFOoG+=9=QR3xdA7iMAsQRpdnj0tKKVzC7FDCag@mail.gmail.com>
 <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC7D7@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
Message-ID: <CAF4280KtbYcToSXdwA555vpQhyHEuB+wSDqfdnjiM1T85WXN7w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:09 PM Osipov, Michael
<michael.osipov at siemens.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> it worked for me three weeks ago with my Google ID. I have created tickets back then.
> Let's wait and see whether someone finds the cause.

Hello,

I might introduce a regression while I was working on implementing
support for GitHub login. I'll look into it tonight.

Thank you for your report!

--Berker

From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue May 28 08:06:02 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 13:06:02 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] bugs.python.org login not work
In-Reply-To: <CAF4280KtbYcToSXdwA555vpQhyHEuB+wSDqfdnjiM1T85WXN7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC797@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
 <CAMofdRAZKV9fFOoG+=9=QR3xdA7iMAsQRpdnj0tKKVzC7FDCag@mail.gmail.com>
 <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC7D7@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
 <CAF4280KtbYcToSXdwA555vpQhyHEuB+wSDqfdnjiM1T85WXN7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRAEo5T_9OfF_ZV1-Ny3CZg_kHyNUPaqF+vNnLSJLah+9w@mail.gmail.com>

Great!
Steve Holden


On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:13 PM Berker Peksa? <berker.peksag at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:09 PM Osipov, Michael
> <michael.osipov at siemens.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > it worked for me three weeks ago with my Google ID. I have created
> tickets back then.
> > Let's wait and see whether someone finds the cause.
>
> Hello,
>
> I might introduce a regression while I was working on implementing
> support for GitHub login. I'll look into it tonight.
>
> Thank you for your report!
>
> --Berker
>
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From pradyunsg at gmail.com  Tue May 28 09:18:48 2019
From: pradyunsg at gmail.com (Pradyun Gedam)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 09:18:48 -0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] bugs.python.org login not work
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRAEo5T_9OfF_ZV1-Ny3CZg_kHyNUPaqF+vNnLSJLah+9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC797@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
 <CAMofdRAZKV9fFOoG+=9=QR3xdA7iMAsQRpdnj0tKKVzC7FDCag@mail.gmail.com>
 <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC7D7@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
 <CAF4280KtbYcToSXdwA555vpQhyHEuB+wSDqfdnjiM1T85WXN7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMofdRAEo5T_9OfF_ZV1-Ny3CZg_kHyNUPaqF+vNnLSJLah+9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPA-Eqv+zLzpWZi6gAJ3-2ZrhYH5WPrv8BXnpa7Bukce01_=pA@mail.gmail.com>

Berker - FYI https://github.com/python/psf-infra-meta/issues/26, which has
some more information on this.

Best,
Pradyun

On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 8:06 AM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> wrote:

> Great!
>
> Steve Holden
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:13 PM Berker Peksa? <berker.peksag at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:09 PM Osipov, Michael
>> <michael.osipov at siemens.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > it worked for me three weeks ago with my Google ID. I have created
>> tickets back then.
>> > Let's wait and see whether someone finds the cause.
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I might introduce a regression while I was working on implementing
>> support for GitHub login. I'll look into it tonight.
>>
>> Thank you for your report!
>>
>> --Berker
>>
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
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From arham at datasciencedojo.com  Wed May 29 18:47:34 2019
From: arham at datasciencedojo.com (Arham Akheel)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 22:47:34 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRC4MJ+iTA7tyBr37vdynuub4GG9fN5q1WKJePMJ=ist_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM6PR11MB409270640CDC4294D0B6FA74A8010@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CAMofdRC4MJ+iTA7tyBr37vdynuub4GG9fN5q1WKJePMJ=ist_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB40926516BC16425F1EFB89E4A81F0@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Steven,

Thank you for your response. My account_name_ is Arham. Please add me to the editor's group. We'll add our top Python tutorials and blog posts.

Best,
Arham
________________________________
From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 2:51 AM
To: Arham Akheel
Cc: Nathan Piccini; pydotorg-www at python.org
Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin

Hi there,

Thanks for your interest in the Wiki, but I regret to add you to the editors' group we need the Wiki account _name_, not the email address.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:03 AM Arham Akheel <arham at datasciencedojo.com<mailto:arham at datasciencedojo.com>> wrote:
We would like to add free python tutorials on to one of the wiki pages for the community to make use and learn from our free resources.

Here is the page we would like to add our tutorials: https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers

We have some of the top getting started tutorials for Python we'd like to add to the list, here's a link to our tutorials: https://tutorials.datasciencedojo.com/category/python-tutorial/

Please grant editor privileges to the account with email arhamakheel at yahoo.com<mailto:arhamakheel at yahoo.com>.

Looking forward to getting added to the editor's list.

Thank you,
Arham
_______________________________________________
pydotorg-www mailing list
pydotorg-www at python.org<mailto:pydotorg-www at python.org>
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From berker.peksag at gmail.com  Wed May 29 22:19:29 2019
From: berker.peksag at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Berker_Peksa=C4=9F?=)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 05:19:29 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] bugs.python.org login not work
In-Reply-To: <CAF4280KtbYcToSXdwA555vpQhyHEuB+wSDqfdnjiM1T85WXN7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC797@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
 <CAMofdRAZKV9fFOoG+=9=QR3xdA7iMAsQRpdnj0tKKVzC7FDCag@mail.gmail.com>
 <68644224DA0DE64CA5A49838ED219A042ECFC7D7@DEFTHW99EJ5MSX.ww902.siemens.net>
 <CAF4280KtbYcToSXdwA555vpQhyHEuB+wSDqfdnjiM1T85WXN7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF4280KyaD-sA1TEWa-iK00PWPhv2OoxHPJC-0NXq_Vwh2_fAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again,

Could you please try again? I've reverted my changes yesterday, so it
should be working now. Note that it might not work if you've reset
your password. I don't think the current implementation supports
merging OpenID logins with existing accounts.

--Berker

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 2:13 PM Berker Peksa? <berker.peksag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:09 PM Osipov, Michael
> <michael.osipov at siemens.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > it worked for me three weeks ago with my Google ID. I have created tickets back then.
> > Let's wait and see whether someone finds the cause.
>
> Hello,
>
> I might introduce a regression while I was working on implementing
> support for GitHub login. I'll look into it tonight.
>
> Thank you for your report!
>
> --Berker

From steve at holdenweb.com  Thu May 30 05:52:59 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 10:52:59 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB40926516BC16425F1EFB89E4A81F0@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR11MB409270640CDC4294D0B6FA74A8010@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAMofdRC4MJ+iTA7tyBr37vdynuub4GG9fN5q1WKJePMJ=ist_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR11MB40926516BC16425F1EFB89E4A81F0@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRC7BE-mqVzW6otpLyMaooMNybxSEqFzqt6+MVbhxY7OtA@mail.gmail.com>

Great. You should be good to go now.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:47 PM Arham Akheel <arham at datasciencedojo.com>
wrote:

> Hi Steven,
>
> Thank you for your response. My account_name_ is Arham. Please add me to
> the editor's group. We'll add our top Python tutorials and blog posts.
>
> Best,
> Arham
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2019 2:51 AM
> *To:* Arham Akheel
> *Cc:* Nathan Piccini; pydotorg-www at python.org
> *Subject:* Re: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin
>
> Hi there,
>
> Thanks for your interest in the Wiki, but I regret to add you to the
> editors' group we need the Wiki account _name_, not the email address.
>
> Kind regards,
> Steve Holden
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:03 AM Arham Akheel <arham at datasciencedojo.com>
> wrote:
>
> We would like to add free python tutorials on to one of the wiki pages for
> the community to make use and learn from our free resources.
>
> Here is the page we would like to add our tutorials:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers
>
> We have some of the top getting started tutorials for Python we'd like to
> add to the list, here's a link to our tutorials:
> https://tutorials.datasciencedojo.com/category/python-tutorial/
>
> Please grant editor privileges to the account with email
> arhamakheel at yahoo.com.
>
> Looking forward to getting added to the editor's list.
>
> Thank you,
> Arham
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
>
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From karandeep.kaur at webagesolutions.com  Thu May 30 15:16:36 2019
From: karandeep.kaur at webagesolutions.com (Karandeep Kaur)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 19:16:36 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editor group- Karandeep Kaur
Message-ID: <4F9F809E25714945AE07373F1719F1C160F8EF@MAIL.webagesolutions.local>

Hi,
I want to add my name as an editor on below page:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining?action=login&login=login&openid_identifier=https://www.myopenid.com/
I want to add Web Age Solutions as a training provider in Python.
Web Age Solutions is a 20 years old training company which provides various training courses in Python. Web Age has offered services to Fortune 500 companies in Canada and the Eastern United States.
https://www.webagesolutions.com/courses/python-training
It would be great help for someone to know about our training offers on this page.
Please provide permission to me to edit the page.
Login Name: Karandeep Kaur
Login email: Karandeep.kaur at gmail.com

Regards,
Karandeep Kaur
Project Manager
Web Age Solutions Inc.
(o) -877-812-8887 Ext. 29
karandeep.kaur at webagesolutions.com<mailto:karandeep.kaur at webagesolutions.com>
www.webagesolutions.com<http://www.webagesolutions.com/>

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From rosuav at gmail.com  Thu May 30 15:22:06 2019
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 05:22:06 +1000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Editor group- Karandeep Kaur
In-Reply-To: <4F9F809E25714945AE07373F1719F1C160F8EF@MAIL.webagesolutions.local>
References: <4F9F809E25714945AE07373F1719F1C160F8EF@MAIL.webagesolutions.local>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmrj7eLzfokFZmM_+A-hx+jtLGo1Pg4Vdon9o7Ofm0EnMg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:18 AM Karandeep Kaur
<karandeep.kaur at webagesolutions.com> wrote:
> I want to add my name as an editor on below page:
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining?action=login&login=login&openid_identifier=https://www.myopenid.com/
>
> Login Name: Karandeep Kaur
>

I don't know whether your OpenID login succeeded or not, but if it
did, you should now be able to make edits. If there are errors coming
back from the login, though, they'll need to be looked into
separately.

ChrisA

From arham at datasciencedojo.com  Fri May 31 18:20:53 2019
From: arham at datasciencedojo.com (Arham Akheel)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 22:20:53 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRC7BE-mqVzW6otpLyMaooMNybxSEqFzqt6+MVbhxY7OtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM6PR11MB409270640CDC4294D0B6FA74A8010@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAMofdRC4MJ+iTA7tyBr37vdynuub4GG9fN5q1WKJePMJ=ist_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR11MB40926516BC16425F1EFB89E4A81F0@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>,
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Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB4092575AE916CAD0DEB6A447A8190@DM6PR11MB4092.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Steven,

Thanks for adding me as an editor. I was trying to add an advanced Python tutorial on Time Series Forcasting but couldn't edit the BeginnersGuide/Programmers page. I can edit the Beginners Guide, but I think my tutorial is too advanced for beginners. Is there  a reason I can't edit that advanced programmer's page?

Tutorial: https://tutorials.datasciencedojo.com/time-series-python-reading-data/

Sorry to bother you again.

Thanks,
Arham
________________________________
From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 2:52 AM
To: Arham Akheel
Cc: Nathan Piccini; pydotorg-www at python.org
Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin

Great. You should be good to go now.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:47 PM Arham Akheel <arham at datasciencedojo.com<mailto:arham at datasciencedojo.com>> wrote:
Hi Steven,

Thank you for your response. My account_name_ is Arham. Please add me to the editor's group. We'll add our top Python tutorials and blog posts.

Best,
Arham
________________________________
From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com<mailto:steve at holdenweb.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 2:51 AM
To: Arham Akheel
Cc: Nathan Piccini; pydotorg-www at python.org<mailto:pydotorg-www at python.org>
Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Hello Admin

Hi there,

Thanks for your interest in the Wiki, but I regret to add you to the editors' group we need the Wiki account _name_, not the email address.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:03 AM Arham Akheel <arham at datasciencedojo.com<mailto:arham at datasciencedojo.com>> wrote:
We would like to add free python tutorials on to one of the wiki pages for the community to make use and learn from our free resources.

Here is the page we would like to add our tutorials: https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers

We have some of the top getting started tutorials for Python we'd like to add to the list, here's a link to our tutorials: https://tutorials.datasciencedojo.com/category/python-tutorial/

Please grant editor privileges to the account with email arhamakheel at yahoo.com<mailto:arhamakheel at yahoo.com>.

Looking forward to getting added to the editor's list.

Thank you,
Arham
_______________________________________________
pydotorg-www mailing list
pydotorg-www at python.org<mailto:pydotorg-www at python.org>
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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