From eyaltrabelsi at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 16:51:06 2019
From: eyaltrabelsi at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?15DXmdeZ15wg15jXqNeR15zXodeZ?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 22:51:06 +0200
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Improve documentation
Message-ID: <CACiGGH07n+RBaBKxPF6AvG00LK2d54rCuTGjPAHNm1x2PAFKew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I recently stumbled upon https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity and
think it really lack the performance of the collections modules I created a
medium article here and would love to update the docs as well
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From mats at wichmann.us  Sat Nov  2 19:28:36 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:28:36 -0600
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Improve documentation
In-Reply-To: <CACiGGH07n+RBaBKxPF6AvG00LK2d54rCuTGjPAHNm1x2PAFKew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACiGGH07n+RBaBKxPF6AvG00LK2d54rCuTGjPAHNm1x2PAFKew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7322702b-7ef6-270b-7fd4-d6a00cba3956@wichmann.us>

On 11/1/19 2:51 PM, ???? ?????? wrote:
> Hi,
> I recently stumbled upon https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity and 
> think it really lack the performance of the collections modules I 
> created a medium article here and would love to update the docs as well

"here" - was there supposed to be a link?

updating this page would be useful, but it's had work by a number of 
Python "luminaries" (in the page history I see names like Aahz, Thomas 
Wouters, Andrew Kuchling and Fred Drake)... I wonder if it would be good 
to line up others to take a look at your updated conclusions as well?

do you have a wiki name set up? that's needed in order to add you as an 
editor.



From guettliml at thomas-guettler.de  Mon Nov 18 08:51:26 2019
From: guettliml at thomas-guettler.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_G=c3=bcttler?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:51:26 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated
Message-ID: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>

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From mats at wichmann.us  Mon Nov 18 09:03:19 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:03:19 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated
In-Reply-To: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>
References: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <0d75c240-09f8-7b7a-c2cc-e94cbe1d54bb@wichmann.us>

On 11/18/19 6:51 AM, Thomas G?ttler wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and 
> Python 2.4.
> 
> It would be very kind if this page could get updated:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Profiling_Code

there's some contract work going on to update the wiki for the new 
reality that Python 3 is the only suggested work. Hopefully that will 
pick up part of this work, but if probably won't provide the kind of 
technical updating you're asking for.

the sort of generic response would be "it's a wiki, if you see a problem 
please make/propose changes".  I don't know if you're in a position to 
help with that...



From guettliml at thomas-guettler.de  Mon Nov 18 09:46:40 2019
From: guettliml at thomas-guettler.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_G=c3=bcttler?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:46:40 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated
In-Reply-To: <0d75c240-09f8-7b7a-c2cc-e94cbe1d54bb@wichmann.us>
References: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>
 <0d75c240-09f8-7b7a-c2cc-e94cbe1d54bb@wichmann.us>
Message-ID: <7e70c184-64ec-244e-4ec3-d0485d764527@thomas-guettler.de>

Hi Mats,

I maintain the wiki in our company since more than ten years.
Wikis are great for creating and adding text.
BUT: Who is responsible for deleting text?
Most people dare to add something.
But removing stuff gets avoided.
I don't dare to remove anything on this page, too.

Regards,
   Thomas G?ttler

Am 18.11.19 um 15:03 schrieb Mats Wichmann:
> On 11/18/19 6:51 AM, Thomas G?ttler wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and Python 2.4.
>>
>> It would be very kind if this page could get updated:
>>
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Profiling_Code
> 
> there's some contract work going on to update the wiki for the new reality that Python 3 is the only suggested work. 
> Hopefully that will pick up part of this work, but if probably won't provide the kind of technical updating you're 
> asking for.
> 
> the sort of generic response would be "it's a wiki, if you see a problem please make/propose changes".? I don't know if 
> you're in a position to help with that...
> 
> 

-- 
Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/
I am looking for feedback: https://github.com/guettli/programming-guidelines

From mats at wichmann.us  Mon Nov 18 09:56:26 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:56:26 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated
In-Reply-To: <7e70c184-64ec-244e-4ec3-d0485d764527@thomas-guettler.de>
References: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>
 <0d75c240-09f8-7b7a-c2cc-e94cbe1d54bb@wichmann.us>
 <7e70c184-64ec-244e-4ec3-d0485d764527@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <3e014b5f-a7a8-947a-90d3-34e448bee6d6@wichmann.us>

On 11/18/19 7:46 AM, Thomas G?ttler wrote:
> Hi Mats,
> 
> I maintain the wiki in our company since more than ten years.
> Wikis are great for creating and adding text.
> BUT: Who is responsible for deleting text?
> Most people dare to add something.
> But removing stuff gets avoided.
> I don't dare to remove anything on this page, too.
> 
> Regards,
>  ? Thomas G?ttler

it's how wikis organically grow stale...

here's one approach that's been used recently on the Python wiki - 
remove a bunch of outdated stuff and leave a link to the version before 
the removal.  For an example:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms

see the very end where it says:

These all run under Python 3. If you are interested in differences 
between Python 2 and Python 3, please take a look at the previous 
version of this page.


which came from this sort of wiki markup:

These all run under Python 3. If you are interested in differences 
between Python 2 and Python 3, please take a look at the 
[[https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms?action=recall&rev=154|previous 
version of this page]].



From steve at holdenweb.com  Mon Nov 18 10:38:16 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:38:16 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated
In-Reply-To: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>
References: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRBGPRW+dXzbfP9Uzt44CzyPzQ96SEAHtObL0DcRip-DXg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for your note. You are correct, the information is very outdated
(and a lot of it possibly therefore completely inappropriate).

The Wiki is a user-editable resource, and if you would like to join the
editors team it's always good to have extra help. Just let us know your
Wiki account name and we can arrange it.

Unfortunately if nobody feels moved to make the edits they will remain
unmade.

As a fallback, I do know that the Python Software Foundation has
commissioned a consulting organisation to handle transition from Python 2,
and I know the Wiki content is being included in that review, so it seems
unlikely the out-of-date version will remain for too much longer.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:58 PM Thomas G?ttler <guettliml at thomas-guettler.de>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and Python
> 2.4.
>
> It would be very kind if this page could get updated:
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Profiling_Code
>
> Regards,
>
>   Thomas G?ttler
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/
> I am looking for feedback: https://github.com/guettli/programming-guidelines
>
> _______________________________________________
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> pydotorg-www at python.org
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From guettliml at thomas-guettler.de  Mon Nov 18 10:44:10 2019
From: guettliml at thomas-guettler.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_G=c3=bcttler?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:44:10 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated
In-Reply-To: <CAMofdRBGPRW+dXzbfP9Uzt44CzyPzQ96SEAHtObL0DcRip-DXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>
 <CAMofdRBGPRW+dXzbfP9Uzt44CzyPzQ96SEAHtObL0DcRip-DXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ed431f2-9ce0-d5ed-b99c-b88979702058@thomas-guettler.de>



Am 18.11.19 um 16:38 schrieb Steve Holden:
> Hi?Thomas,
> 
> Thanks for your note. You are correct, the information is very outdated (and a lot of it possibly therefore?completely 
> inappropriate).
> 
> The Wiki is a user-editable resource, and if you would like to join the editors team it's always good to have?extra 
> help. Just let us know your Wiki account name and we can arrange?it.
> 
> Unfortunately if nobody feels moved to make the edits they will remain unmade.
> 
> As a fallback, I do know that the Python?Software Foundation has commissioned a consulting organisation to handle 
> transition from Python 2, and I know the Wiki content is being included in that review, so it seems unlikely the 
> out-of-date version will remain for too much?longer.

That's very good a solution I like. My spare time is very expensive. I will do a financial donation to support
Python.


-- 
Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/
I am looking for feedback: https://github.com/guettli/programming-guidelines

From steve at holdenweb.com  Mon Nov 18 12:51:07 2019
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:51:07 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated
In-Reply-To: <4ed431f2-9ce0-d5ed-b99c-b88979702058@thomas-guettler.de>
References: <c85e894e-973f-9873-349c-48dd04858698@thomas-guettler.de>
 <CAMofdRBGPRW+dXzbfP9Uzt44CzyPzQ96SEAHtObL0DcRip-DXg@mail.gmail.com>
 <4ed431f2-9ce0-d5ed-b99c-b88979702058@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <CAMofdRBkcXrgsWZReTYcE-EzVtCmhOpHUNTBmbpHfr=2Y4bPgg@mail.gmail.com>

Good man. Thanks very much for your willingness to help.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:44 PM Thomas G?ttler <guettliml at thomas-guettler.de>
wrote:

>
>
> Am 18.11.19 um 16:38 schrieb Steve Holden:
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > Thanks for your note. You are correct, the information is very outdated
> (and a lot of it possibly therefore completely
> > inappropriate).
> >
> > The Wiki is a user-editable resource, and if you would like to join the
> editors team it's always good to have extra
> > help. Just let us know your Wiki account name and we can arrange it.
> >
> > Unfortunately if nobody feels moved to make the edits they will remain
> unmade.
> >
> > As a fallback, I do know that the Python Software Foundation has
> commissioned a consulting organisation to handle
> > transition from Python 2, and I know the Wiki content is being included
> in that review, so it seems unlikely the
> > out-of-date version will remain for too much longer.
>
> That's very good a solution I like. My spare time is very expensive. I
> will do a financial donation to support
> Python.
>
>
> --
> Thomas Guettler http://www.thomas-guettler.de/
> I am looking for feedback:
> https://github.com/guettli/programming-guidelines
>
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From noah at pycon.or.tz  Mon Nov 25 06:50:46 2019
From: noah at pycon.or.tz (Noah .)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:50:46 +0300
Subject: [pydotorg-www] PyCon Tanzania - 10th - 11th December 2019
Message-ID: <CAJo3tjDytGuzQ+7nae8Cv0zFCZBS8LDcfrpVy0Zomb52ns42tg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Team

Pleased to inform that we are organizing a Python conference in Tanzania
and the meeting will take place from 10th - 11th December 2019 in Dar es
salaam, Tanzania.

Please add the following event:

* name of the event: PyCon Tanzania
* type of event: * focus on Python: Python Conference
* approximate number of attendees:  100
* location (incl. country): Tanzania
* dates/times/recurrence (incl. time zone):  10th - 11th December 2019 /
06:00GMT - 14:00GMT / Annually
* HTML link using the format <a href="http://pycon.or.tz/">PyCon
Tanzania</a>:


Thank you so much.

Cheers,
Noah
Community Moderator
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From mats at wichmann.us  Wed Nov 27 10:46:52 2019
From: mats at wichmann.us (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:46:52 -0700
Subject: [pydotorg-www] wiki: unicode decode error
Message-ID: <53439770-19a1-2da5-0e47-5aa4109b2f03@wichmann.us>


if someone feels like putting in some wiki time.... this page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/UnicodeDecodeError

is a prominent hit in search engines.  It's written from a Python 2 
perspective, with just a single line down at the bottom saying "Python 
3000 will prohibit encoding of bytes...".

That message has become the bane of both people rushing to do Py3 
conversions, and new programmers, who read from files, sockets, 
processes, etc. and don't notice/realize they're getting bytes.

sure could use a helpful treatment for today's reality...

at the moment I can't put in the time to figure out how to explain 
strings, bytes, unicode in Py3, but I know there are other resources 
that do so quite well, I wonder if a pointer to a few would be a 
starting point?