From theoutreachguys at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 09:03:31 2022
From: theoutreachguys at gmail.com (George Kennedy)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 18:03:31 +0400
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Would like to make an edit
Message-ID: <CAD5-FGDYwouuFYEi1YB3VpkM2hRBXdQf+jeRutZjNZLf+nURgA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I would like to make an edit on this page -
https://wiki.python.org/moin/SpecializedCommercialHosts

Our hosting service provides support for multiple coding languages
including python, so I think it would be fitting to add our services to the
list as well.

I registered as @george but it seems like I'm unable to make an edit for
now.

I'll be waiting for your response,

Kind regards,
George


?
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From davea at berkeley.edu  Fri Jan  7 23:10:19 2022
From: davea at berkeley.edu (David P. Anderson)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:10:19 -0800
Subject: [pydotorg-www] edit request
Message-ID: <CAFtuuLQE3AZxYb6aTj1KaMc461wv8AdANqNGfYuOsHUsaD1wGQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to edit (add an entry) to this page:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInMusic
Thanks -
David Anderson (my user name)
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 23:59:36 2022
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 15:59:36 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] edit request
In-Reply-To: <CAFtuuLQE3AZxYb6aTj1KaMc461wv8AdANqNGfYuOsHUsaD1wGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtuuLQE3AZxYb6aTj1KaMc461wv8AdANqNGfYuOsHUsaD1wGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmpdKnwLfyqnvFWYe+yUYVEU_O4xCvmefYQPqXO9aRq1vA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 3:10 PM David P. Anderson <davea at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
> I'd like to edit (add an entry) to this page:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInMusic
> Thanks -
> David Anderson (my user name)

Go for it!

ChrisA

From hijabfatma09 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 07:57:22 2022
From: hijabfatma09 at gmail.com (Umaa Farwa)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 17:57:22 +0500
Subject: [pydotorg-www] (no subject)
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From martineau at protonmail.com  Mon Jan 10 12:28:38 2022
From: martineau at protonmail.com (Martin Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 17:28:38 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Want to edit a page
Message-ID: <a70f77ee-73ad-58e6-2fd2-db7c865e9087@protonmail.com>

I want to edit a page and have just signed up. My wiki account name is "martinmiller". Specifically there's a couple of dead links on the [first TkInter page](https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter) that I feel should be corrected. Please add me to the EditorsGroup.
?
Martin
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From rosuav at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 12:30:35 2022
From: rosuav at gmail.com (Chris Angelico)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 04:30:35 +1100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Want to edit a page
In-Reply-To: <a70f77ee-73ad-58e6-2fd2-db7c865e9087@protonmail.com>
References: <a70f77ee-73ad-58e6-2fd2-db7c865e9087@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPTjJmqKm7TDtwpcXug+-Mg_QJEQ9KwB2vK2eA+4qNyQ0XSmCg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 4:29 AM Martin Miller via pydotorg-www
<pydotorg-www at python.org> wrote:
>
> I want to edit a page and have just signed up. My wiki account name is "martinmiller". Specifically there's a couple of dead links on the first TkInter page that I feel should be corrected. Please add me to the EditorsGroup.
>

Sounds like a plan! Go for it.

ChrisA

From mal at egenix.com  Mon Jan 17 15:54:10 2022
From: mal at egenix.com (Marc-Andre Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:54:10 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Would like to make an edit
In-Reply-To: <CAD5-FGDYwouuFYEi1YB3VpkM2hRBXdQf+jeRutZjNZLf+nURgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD5-FGDYwouuFYEi1YB3VpkM2hRBXdQf+jeRutZjNZLf+nURgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9814b4e-f909-b5c8-647f-7569dbe1cc3b@egenix.com>

Hi George,

I've added you now and you should be able to edit the page.

Thanks.

On 04.01.2022 15:03, George Kennedy wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I would like to make an edit on this page
> -?https://wiki.python.org/moin/SpecializedCommercialHosts
> 
> Our hosting service provides support for multiple coding languages including
> python, so I think it would be fitting to add our services to the list as well.
> 
> I registered as?@george but it seems like I'm unable to make an edit for now.
> 
> I'll be waiting for your response,
> 
> Kind regards,
> George
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 

-- 
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eGenix.com

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From raziyehsaadatmand033 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:34:43 2022
From: raziyehsaadatmand033 at gmail.com (Raziyeh Saadatmand)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 22:04:43 +0330
Subject: [pydotorg-www] =?utf-8?b?2YXbjNiu2YjYp9mH2YUg2LnYttmIINi02Yg=?=
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From ilamparithi at kissflow.com  Mon Jan 24 00:45:25 2022
From: ilamparithi at kissflow.com (Ilamparithi Karthikeyan)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:15:25 +0530
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Reg: Adding our company in your website
Message-ID: <CAOjtpfSWx3h5nSptHhuOtvu+-8sjvdzo=sFPXxtOQRr-XfebNw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Greetings,

I am working in Orangescape Technologies, we are the proud owner of the
product Kissflow. We are using python as our primary programming language
for our development and I can see that our company is not being listed on
your website. Could you add me to EditorsGroup so that I can add our
company there?

More details about our company: https://kissflow.com/
<https://kissflow.com/>
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From ilamparithi at kissflow.com  Mon Jan 24 00:48:09 2022
From: ilamparithi at kissflow.com (Ilamparithi Karthikeyan)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:18:09 +0530
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Reg: Adding our company in your website
In-Reply-To: <CAOjtpfSWx3h5nSptHhuOtvu+-8sjvdzo=sFPXxtOQRr-XfebNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOjtpfSWx3h5nSptHhuOtvu+-8sjvdzo=sFPXxtOQRr-XfebNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOjtpfTWQsJ9NZ_rhsovJsc4P+xyQrzJ6ghsz1oeD1gRjW9r1Q@mail.gmail.com>

My username is: ilamparithi
Profile URL: https://wiki.python.org/moin/ilamparithi

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 11:15 AM Ilamparithi Karthikeyan <
ilamparithi at kissflow.com> wrote:

> Hi, Greetings,
>
> I am working in Orangescape Technologies, we are the proud owner of the
> product Kissflow. We are using python as our primary programming language
> for our development and I can see that our company is not being listed on
> your website. Could you add me to EditorsGroup so that I can add our
> company there?
>
> More details about our company: https://kissflow.com/
> <https://kissflow.com/>
>
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From mal at egenix.com  Wed Jan 26 06:43:35 2022
From: mal at egenix.com (Marc-Andre Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:43:35 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Reg: Adding our company in your website
In-Reply-To: <CAOjtpfSWx3h5nSptHhuOtvu+-8sjvdzo=sFPXxtOQRr-XfebNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOjtpfSWx3h5nSptHhuOtvu+-8sjvdzo=sFPXxtOQRr-XfebNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75f542bf-272e-999c-b469-5008ab2c94df@egenix.com>

Hi Ilamparithi,

on which page would you want to list your company ?

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 26 2022)
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________________________________________________________________________

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    D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
               https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/
                     https://www.malemburg.com/


On 24.01.2022 06:45, Ilamparithi Karthikeyan via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hi, Greetings,
> 
> I am working in Orangescape Technologies, we are the proud owner of the product
> Kissflow. We are using python as our primary programming?language for our
> development and I can see that our company is not being listed on your?website.
> Could you add me to EditorsGroup so that I can add our company there??
> 
> More details about our company:?https://kissflow.com/ <https://kissflow.com/>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 


From higgins at chalmers.se  Thu Jan 27 02:59:03 2022
From: higgins at chalmers.se (Gerard Higgins)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 07:59:03 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Windows compilers
Message-ID: <72a51be9177542ef894602db72af9195@chalmers.se>

Hi,

I suggest an edit on the windows compilers page https://wiki.python.org/moin/WindowsCompilers.
The link to Microsoft Build Tools for Visual Studio 2019<https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/#build-tools-for-visual-studio-2019> now goes to Visual Studio 2022. I suggest linking to https://my.visualstudio.com/Downloads?q=visual%20studio%202019&wt.mc_id=o~msft~vscom~older-downloads and recommending version 16.0 (in the latest version it?s difficult to find the C++ build tools.

All the best,
Gerard
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From mal at egenix.com  Thu Jan 27 04:37:10 2022
From: mal at egenix.com (Marc-Andre Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:37:10 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Fwd:  Reg: Adding our company in your website
In-Reply-To: <d05c883c-f6fb-73c2-1d61-87507e8a6633@egenix.com>
References: <d05c883c-f6fb-73c2-1d61-87507e8a6633@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <07a25245-303f-1c76-f676-cf9cab85630f@egenix.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Reg: Adding our company in your website
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:36:52 +0100
From: Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal at egenix.com>
Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH; http://www.egenix.com/
To: Ilamparithi Karthikeyan <ilamparithi at kissflow.com>

Hi Ilamparithi,

I've added you as editor. You should now be able to edit the page.

Thanks.

On 27.01.2022 08:51, Ilamparithi Karthikeyan wrote:
> Hi?Marc-Andre,
> 
> I would like to add our company in this page
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/PythonCompaniesInIndia
> 
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 5:13 PM Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal at egenix.com
> <mailto:mal at egenix.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Ilamparithi,
> 
>     on which page would you want to list your company ?
> 
>     Thanks,
>     -- 
>     Marc-Andre Lemburg
>     eGenix.com
> 
>     Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 26 2022)
>     >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Support ...? ? https://www.egenix.com/
>     >>> Python Product Development ...? ? ? ? https://consulting.egenix.com/
>     ________________________________________________________________________
> 
>     ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs :::
> 
>     ? ?eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH? Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
>     ? ? D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
>     ? ? ? ? ? ?Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/
>     ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?https://www.malemburg.com/
> 
> 
>     On 24.01.2022 06:45, Ilamparithi Karthikeyan via pydotorg-www wrote:
>     > Hi, Greetings,
>     >
>     > I am working in Orangescape Technologies, we are the proud owner of the
>     product
>     > Kissflow. We are using python as our primary programming?language for our
>     > development and I can see that our company is not being listed on
>     your?website.
>     > Could you add me to EditorsGroup so that I can add our company there??
>     >
>     > More details about our company:?https://kissflow.com/ <https://kissflow.com/>
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > pydotorg-www mailing list
>     > pydotorg-www at python.org <mailto:pydotorg-www at python.org>
>     > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>     >
> 

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 27 2022)
>>> Python Projects, Coaching and Support ...    https://www.egenix.com/
>>> Python Product Development ...        https://consulting.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs :::

   eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH  Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
    D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
               https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/
                     https://www.malemburg.com/

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 27 2022)
>>> Python Projects, Coaching and Support ...    https://www.egenix.com/
>>> Python Product Development ...        https://consulting.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs :::

   eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH  Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
    D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
               https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/
                     https://www.malemburg.com/


From mal at egenix.com  Thu Jan 27 04:48:18 2022
From: mal at egenix.com (Marc-Andre Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:48:18 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Windows compilers
In-Reply-To: <72a51be9177542ef894602db72af9195@chalmers.se>
References: <72a51be9177542ef894602db72af9195@chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <2b1e88c9-67a2-e973-a3b1-781d8e93bfc5@egenix.com>

Hi Gerard,

thanks for the note. I'll try to get more information from our
Windows expert on this: Steve Dower.

Steve: How could we best update the page to guide people to the
current set of tools ?

https://wiki.python.org/moin/WindowsCompilers

The dev guide (still) points to VS2017:

https://devguide.python.org/setup/#windows

but it already mentions the the "workload" installation approach.

Would it be a good idea to point Python users in the same direction
or is there a less involved setup/download available ?

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg



On 27.01.2022 08:59, Gerard Higgins wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> ?
> 
> I suggest an edit on the windows compilers page
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/WindowsCompilers.
> 
> The link to /Microsoft Build Tools for Visual Studio 2019
> <https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/#build-tools-for-visual-studio-2019>
> //now goes to Visual Studio 2022. I suggest linking to
> https://my.visualstudio.com/Downloads?q=visual%20studio%202019&wt.mc_id=o~msft~vscom~older-downloads
> and recommending version 16.0 (in the latest version it?s difficult to find the
> C++ build tools./
> 
> ?
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Gerard
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pydotorg-www mailing list
> pydotorg-www at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
> 

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Jan 27 2022)
>>> Python Projects, Coaching and Support ...    https://www.egenix.com/
>>> Python Product Development ...        https://consulting.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________

::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs :::

   eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH  Pastor-Loeh-Str.48
    D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg
           Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611
               https://www.egenix.com/company/contact/
                     https://www.malemburg.com/


From Steve.Dower at microsoft.com  Thu Jan 27 08:43:46 2022
From: Steve.Dower at microsoft.com (Steve Dower)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 13:43:46 +0000
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Windows compilers
In-Reply-To: <2b1e88c9-67a2-e973-a3b1-781d8e93bfc5@egenix.com>
References: <72a51be9177542ef894602db72af9195@chalmers.se>
 <2b1e88c9-67a2-e973-a3b1-781d8e93bfc5@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR2101MB0930AD64F493CF86A04339E5F5219@BL0PR2101MB0930.namprd21.prod.outlook.com>

I see no reason to point to anything but the newest Visual Studio, and any of the v14x toolsets (there are no v15x toolsets to worry about yet, so this is essentially the newest MSVC).

Ideally, I'd rather Python _users_ point package developers to this page so they can release wheels, rather than expecting users to manage package compilation. But if they've ended up with that job then Visual Studio is still the safest recommendation. The Build Tools are only slightly more convenient, but they also obscure the license terms users are working under because they implicitly require the acceptance (and eligibility) of a Visual Studio license.

So for simplicity: install latest Visual Studio, with Python workload and Python Native Development option.

For specificity: install any v14x MSVC toolset for your target platform(s), and the latest Windows SDK (which are all found in the VS installer under Native development). Set $env:PlatformToolset to your toolset version before building if it doesn't detect it.

Currently we're using the v143 toolset for releases, but this can change at any time because it has no impact on the ABI. If someone wants to put that information on the page, feel free, but I'm not volunteering to keep it updated :) The "official" source of truth is https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/PCbuild/python.props

Cheers,
Steve

(Apologies for the messed up quotes below, I can't override my work email's settings on this. Use steve.dower at python.org to avoid it.)

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Hi Gerard,

thanks for the note. I'll try to get more information from our Windows expert on this: Steve Dower.

Steve: How could we best update the page to guide people to the current set of tools ?

https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.python.org%2Fmoin%2FWindowsCompilers&amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40microsoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce08d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637788738672467195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=LC6b2UKiUd5F3w5n6drH2ObHWQ1RmE7xrGwcMalirsw%3D&amp;reserved=0

The dev guide (still) points to VS2017:

https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdevguide.python.org%2Fsetup%2F%23windows&amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40microsoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce08d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637788738672467195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=q1OdXgCTf%2BA7gc1bjVcbqbllnuShR1BWiM9Mq47YvH8%3D&amp;reserved=0

but it already mentions the the "workload" installation approach.

Would it be a good idea to point Python users in the same direction or is there a less involved setup/download available ?

Thanks,
--
Marc-Andre Lemburg



On 27.01.2022 08:59, Gerard Higgins wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest an edit on the windows compilers page 
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.python.org%2Fmoin%2FWindowsCompilers&amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40microsoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce08d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637788738672467195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=LC6b2UKiUd5F3w5n6drH2ObHWQ1RmE7xrGwcMalirsw%3D&amp;reserved=0.
>
> The link to /Microsoft Build Tools for Visual Studio 2019 
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> .visualstudio.com%2Fdownloads%2F%23build-tools-for-visual-studio-2019&
> amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40microsoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce0
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> //now goes to Visual Studio 2022. I suggest linking to
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmy.v
> isualstudio.com%2FDownloads%3Fq%3Dvisual%2520studio%25202019%26wt.mc_i
> d%3Do~msft~vscom~older-downloads&amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40micr
> osoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce08d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7
> cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637788738672467195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjo
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> and recommending version 16.0 (in the latest version it's difficult to 
> find the
> C++ build tools./
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Gerard
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From mal at egenix.com  Thu Jan 27 09:05:57 2022
From: mal at egenix.com (Marc-Andre Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:05:57 +0100
Subject: [pydotorg-www] Windows compilers
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On 27.01.2022 14:43, Steve Dower wrote:
> I see no reason to point to anything but the newest Visual Studio, and any of the v14x toolsets (there are no v15x toolsets to worry about yet, so this is essentially the newest MSVC).
> 
> Ideally, I'd rather Python _users_ point package developers to this page so they can release wheels, rather than expecting users to manage package compilation. But if they've ended up with that job then Visual Studio is still the safest recommendation. The Build Tools are only slightly more convenient, but they also obscure the license terms users are working under because they implicitly require the acceptance (and eligibility) of a Visual Studio license.
> 
> So for simplicity: install latest Visual Studio, with Python workload and Python Native Development option.
> 
> For specificity: install any v14x MSVC toolset for your target platform(s), and the latest Windows SDK (which are all found in the VS installer under Native development). Set $env:PlatformToolset to your toolset version before building if it doesn't detect it.
> 
> Currently we're using the v143 toolset for releases, but this can change at any time because it has no impact on the ABI. If someone wants to put that information on the page, feel free, but I'm not volunteering to keep it updated :) The "official" source of truth is https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/PCbuild/python.props

Thanks for the additional infos. I have updated the page with a new section
using VS 2022:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/WindowsCompilers

I also fixed the 2019 link to point to the VS old downloads page.

> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> (Apologies for the messed up quotes below, I can't override my work email's settings on this. Use steve.dower at python.org to avoid it.)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:48 AM
> To: Gerard Higgins <higgins at chalmers.se>; pydotorg-www at python.org; Steve Dower <Steve.Dower at microsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [pydotorg-www] Windows compilers
> 
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> 
> Hi Gerard,
> 
> thanks for the note. I'll try to get more information from our Windows expert on this: Steve Dower.
> 
> Steve: How could we best update the page to guide people to the current set of tools ?
> 
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.python.org%2Fmoin%2FWindowsCompilers&amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40microsoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce08d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637788738672467195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=LC6b2UKiUd5F3w5n6drH2ObHWQ1RmE7xrGwcMalirsw%3D&amp;reserved=0
> 
> The dev guide (still) points to VS2017:
> 
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdevguide.python.org%2Fsetup%2F%23windows&amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40microsoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce08d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637788738672467195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=q1OdXgCTf%2BA7gc1bjVcbqbllnuShR1BWiM9Mq47YvH8%3D&amp;reserved=0
> 
> but it already mentions the the "workload" installation approach.
> 
> Would it be a good idea to point Python users in the same direction or is there a less involved setup/download available ?
> 
> Thanks,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> 
> 
> 
> On 27.01.2022 08:59, Gerard Higgins wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I suggest an edit on the windows compilers page 
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.python.org%2Fmoin%2FWindowsCompilers&amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40microsoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce08d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637788738672467195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=LC6b2UKiUd5F3w5n6drH2ObHWQ1RmE7xrGwcMalirsw%3D&amp;reserved=0.
>>
>> The link to /Microsoft Build Tools for Visual Studio 2019 
>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
>> .visualstudio.com%2Fdownloads%2F%23build-tools-for-visual-studio-2019&
>> amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40microsoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce0
>> 8d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C6377887386724
>> 67195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJB
>> TiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=7PilJT%2FsdfD3nNdMWE7AKE1L
>> 1TBHzb%2BzOnQ%2Fesxafy8%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> //now goes to Visual Studio 2022. I suggest linking to
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmy.v
>> isualstudio.com%2FDownloads%3Fq%3Dvisual%2520studio%25202019%26wt.mc_i
>> d%3Do~msft~vscom~older-downloads&amp;data=04%7C01%7CSteve.Dower%40micr
>> osoft.com%7C03b91616d6f14d3b18ce08d9e17a28f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7
>> cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637788738672467195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjo
>> iMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp
>> ;sdata=Cle0FmaIrr4XI4u44k8PfGoi6WYpradZK7eg2onfHew%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> and recommending version 16.0 (in the latest version it's difficult to 
>> find the
>> C++ build tools./
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>>
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