[pypy-svn] r15573 - pypy/extradoc/minute
hpk at codespeak.net
hpk at codespeak.net
Wed Aug 3 19:19:16 CEST 2005
Author: hpk
Date: Wed Aug 3 19:19:14 2005
New Revision: 15573
Added:
pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-14-2005.txt
- copied unchanged from r14720, pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-14.txt
Removed:
pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-14.txt
Modified:
pypy/extradoc/minute/ (props changed)
pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-21-2005.txt
Log:
formatting/renaming
Deleted: /pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-14.txt
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--- /pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-14.txt Wed Aug 3 19:19:14 2005
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-=============================================
-pypy-sync developer meeting 14th July 2005
-=============================================
-
-
-Attendees: Samuele, Anders C., Anders L., Adrien Di Mascio, Ludovic Aubry,
- Christian Tismer, Carl Friedrich Bolz, Holger Krekel
-
-Excused with Pre-Info: Armin
-
-
-Regular Topics
-====================
-
-- roll call. OK.
-
-- activity reports (3 prepared lines of info).
- Everybody submitted activity reports (see `IRC-Log`_ at the end)
-
-- re-assigning / adjusting planning / resolve conflicts/blockers
-
- Everybody except Anders Lehmann has plans for next week.
- No conflicts. Anders L., Samuele and Holger are to try discuss
- tasks for Anders outside of this pypy-sync meeting. Holger
- notes that he wants to be signalled before the meeting
- if somebody is lacking tasks.
-
-Topics of the week
-===================
-
-fixating sprint in Hildesheim (25th-31st July)
--------------------------------------------------
-
-Armin, Samuele, Christian, Carl (except for one day) and Holger
-can make it to the Hildesheim sprint. We decided that it will
-take place.
-
-decide/agree about usage of issue tracker (for 0.6.2/0.7.0)
------------------------------------------------------------
-
-everybody agrees and recognizes that we are going to use
-the issue tracker for the upcoming releases. So be it.
-
-list current main areas of work regarding reaching Deliverable D05.2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-Armin: Progressing on translate_pypy.py. There is a temp file
-pypy/translator/goal/ISSUES.txt which lists currently open issues.
-Samuele adds that he has some worries about memory usage
-regarding the rtyping process but nothing concrete yet.
-Generally the strategy is to try translate_pypy.py with
-a different SEED. Christian will add info to ISSUES.txt
-about how to use it.
-
-Heidelberg sprint planning status, 22nd-29th August
-----------------------------------------------------------
-
-It is re-confirmed that the sprint should take place
-from 22nd-29th in Heidelberg, Germany. Carl Friedrich will fix
-the place now and report back. We should discuss/prepare
-the sprint-announcement regarding topics etc.pp. at the
-next sync-meeting.
-
-Close
----------
-
-Holger closes the meeting in time at 13:30pm.
-
-.. _`IRC-log`:
-
-Here is the full IRC log::
-
- **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 14 13:01:32 2005
- Jul 14 13:01:32 --> You are now talking on #pypy-sync
- Jul 14 13:01:32 --- #pypy-sync :[freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
- Jul 14 13:02:30 <hpk> pedronis: hello?
- Jul 14 13:02:34 --> adim (~adim at fny94-6-82-229-225-51.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #pypy-sync
- Jul 14 13:02:39 <pedronis> hpk: hi
- Jul 14 13:03:02 <adim> Hi Holger, Hi Samuele
- Jul 14 13:03:06 <hpk> hi adrien
- Jul 14 13:03:07 --> cfbolz (~a at zenon.physi.uni-heidelberg.de) has joined #pypy-sync
- Jul 14 13:03:10 --> arre (ac at ratthing-b40b.strakt.com) has joined #pypy-sync
- Jul 14 13:03:17 --> aleale (~chatzilla at 83.72.68.168.ip.tele2adsl.dk) has joined #pypy-sync
- Jul 14 13:03:38 <hpk> cfbolz: hi carl
- Jul 14 13:03:49 <hpk> ok, i think we can start the meeting.
- Jul 14 13:03:56 <hpk> armin send me info already he might make it later
- Jul 14 13:04:00 --> ludal (~ludal at lab75-1-81-57-254-81.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #pypy-sync
- Jul 14 13:04:08 <hpk> christian didn't say anything, though
- Jul 14 13:04:11 <hpk> anyway.
- Jul 14 13:04:24 <hpk> the idea is to really stick to the 30 minutes, we will end the meeting at 13:30
- Jul 14 13:04:37 <hpk> so don't walk away to grab a coffee or something :-)
- Jul 14 13:04:46 <hpk> here is the agenda:
- Jul 14 13:04:53 <hpk> - roll call
- Jul 14 13:04:53 <hpk> - activity reports (3 prepared lines of info)
- Jul 14 13:04:53 <hpk> - re-assigning / adjusting planning / resolve conflicts/blockers
- Jul 14 13:04:53 <hpk> - Topics of the week:
- Jul 14 13:04:53 <hpk> - fixating sprint in Hildesheim (25th-31st July)
- Jul 14 13:04:53 <hpk> - decide/agree about usage of issue tracker (for 0.6.2/0.7.0)
- Jul 14 13:04:53 <hpk> - list current main areas of work regarding reaching Deliverable D05.2
- Jul 14 13:04:53 <hpk> - Heidelberg sprint planning status (now: 15-22th August !!!)
- Jul 14 13:05:19 <hpk> everybody fine with this agenda?
- Jul 14 13:05:27 <cfbolz> yes
- Jul 14 13:05:30 <aleale> yes
- Jul 14 13:05:36 <pedronis> yes
- Jul 14 13:05:55 <adim> yes
- Jul 14 13:05:55 <arre> yes
- Jul 14 13:05:56 <hpk> ok, then activity reports: i'll just start off with my and Armin's info:
- Jul 14 13:06:03 <hpk> last week: begin interpreter-docs, fix codespeak/website issues, fix testresults page, some eu/managementissues
- Jul 14 13:06:03 <hpk> next week: finish interpreter docs, write external (oslevel) functions, prepare codespeak-move
- Jul 14 13:06:03 <hpk> blocking: (slightly) terminology cleanup / missing glossary / (maybe llvm-state)
- Jul 14 13:06:14 --- You are now known as arigo
- Jul 14 13:06:28 <arigo> last week: rtyper; progress in translate_pypy; polished framework for external func calls.
- Jul 14 13:06:28 <arigo> next week: holidays until wednesday
- Jul 14 13:06:28 <arigo> blockers: None
- Jul 14 13:06:35 --- You are now known as hpk
- Jul 14 13:06:40 <cfbolz> last week: logistics, accomodation for Heidelberg sprint; own stuff
- Jul 14 13:06:40 <cfbolz> next week: more logistics; garbage collection
- Jul 14 13:06:40 <cfbolz> blockers: my own stuff takes too much time :-(
- Jul 14 13:06:41 <hpk> pedronis: you continue?
- Jul 14 13:06:49 <hpk> cfbolz: ok
- Jul 14 13:06:49 <cfbolz> sorry
- Jul 14 13:06:52 <hpk> np
- Jul 14 13:07:00 <pedronis> DONE: translate_pypy progress, instatiate of classes with Armin...; solved some attributes that were attached too high the hierarchy, some support for pyobjs ops in the llinterp, and more work with Arre on translate_pypy; refactored rtyper to use argument.py for args parsing and call_args support
- Jul 14 13:07:01 <pedronis> NEXT: more translate_pypy work, possibly refactor specialisation to treats override and memos as builtins, refactor gencapi usage to go through external func table
- Jul 14 13:07:03 <pedronis> ISSUES: a bit worried about rtyping mem usage but too soon too really tell
- Jul 14 13:07:43 <hpk> adim, ludal, aleale, arre: in this order?
- Jul 14 13:07:44 --> stakkars (ihdhcvza at i528C1A57.versanet.de) has joined #pypy-sync
- Jul 14 13:07:53 <stakkars> hi
- Jul 14 13:07:56 <hpk> stakkars: hi christian, we are in activity reports already
- Jul 14 13:08:03 <adim> last week: Nothing since Europython sprint
- Jul 14 13:08:12 <adim> next week: astbuilder (parser/compiler)
- Jul 14 13:08:18 <stakkars> here my three sentences:
- Jul 14 13:08:19 <stakkars> I have worked on long math and strutil and continued on seed 49
- Jul 14 13:08:19 <stakkars> I want to work on seed 49 next week
- Jul 14 13:08:19 <stakkars> main blocker is windows, and I cannot use the fork thing.
- Jul 14 13:08:25 <adim> blockers: nothing in particular
- Jul 14 13:08:30 <ludal> last week: work on providing translatable ast builder
- Jul 14 13:08:30 <ludal> next week: try and finish it
- Jul 14 13:08:30 <ludal> blockers: none
- Jul 14 13:08:54 <aleale> last week: vacation
- Jul 14 13:09:11 <aleale> next week: weakref, ?
- Jul 14 13:09:20 <aleale> blocks : none
- Jul 14 13:09:53 * stakkars is sorry to be late, the machine decided to run a windows update right now :-(
- Jul 14 13:10:02 <hpk> ludal: you are going to post?
- Jul 14 13:10:13 <hpk> stakkars: what is "seed 49"?
- Jul 14 13:10:19 <arre> Last week: Fixing some problems related to unicode, Work on annotation/rtyper to be able to process PyPy
- Jul 14 13:10:28 <arre> Next week: annotation/rtyper and/or implementing modules os and math, if there is enough time take the week off.
- Jul 14 13:10:41 <arre> Blockers: Not knowing the darker corners of the annotator/rtyper (In the process of being solved through having Samuele close by)
- Jul 14 13:10:55 <hpk> arre: take the week of from Strakt you mean?
- Jul 14 13:10:57 <ludal> hpk: post?
- Jul 14 13:11:02 <stakkars> :-) there is a random shuffling algo in the annotator, and I got seed 49
- Jul 14 13:11:09 <hpk> ludal: forget it, i missed your lines, sorry
- Jul 14 13:11:22 <hpk> stakkars: ah fine :-)
- Jul 14 13:11:27 <arre> Yes. I have woked too many hours as it is.
- Jul 14 13:11:46 <hpk> ok, we got it then for now. Next topic: re-assigning/resolving
- Jul 14 13:12:01 <hpk> it seems that only aleale doesn't have a plan for next week
- Jul 14 13:12:15 <hpk> i think that weakref is not a priority and we should wait a bit with cfbolz's work on GC
- Jul 14 13:12:15 <aleale> right
- Jul 14 13:12:26 <cfbolz> wanted to say the same :-)
- Jul 14 13:12:33 <aleale> indeed
- Jul 14 13:12:58 <hpk> aleale: let's discuss possible work areas for you this off this pypy-sync meeting with Samuele and maybe others
- Jul 14 13:13:08 <aleale> ok
- Jul 14 13:13:10 <hpk> generally i'd like to be signalled ahead of the meeting if one doesn't know what to work on
- Jul 14 13:13:29 <hpk> next topic: - fixating sprint in Hildesheim (25th-31st July)
- Jul 14 13:13:45 <hpk> you probably all have read that the technical board thinks we should do a in-between internal sprint
- Jul 14 13:13:56 <hpk> the idea is 25th-31st July in Hildesheim (at my house)
- Jul 14 13:14:15 <hpk> who could come and who could not come? please everybody post here
- Jul 14 13:14:19 <stakkars> yes, I thought this was decided, already
- Jul 14 13:14:39 <cfbolz> I can, minus one day
- Jul 14 13:14:39 <stakkars> I will order my ticket, today
- Jul 14 13:14:39 <adim> I won't come
- Jul 14 13:14:57 <pedronis> yes, need to organize travel
- Jul 14 13:15:01 <ludal> can't: vacation
- Jul 14 13:15:05 <arre> My vacation starts that week, so no.
- Jul 14 13:15:20 <aleale> I am not sure yet, just learned about it yesterday
- Jul 14 13:15:27 <stakkars> what about arigo, is he traveling right now?
- Jul 14 13:15:32 <hpk> armin is going to come
- Jul 14 13:15:36 <aleale> will know tomorrow
- Jul 14 13:15:37 <pedronis> he will be there
- Jul 14 13:15:57 <hpk> ok, that means: samuele, christian, holger, armin fulltime and cfbolz (-1 day)
- Jul 14 13:15:58 <stakkars> I asked why he is not in themeeting.
- Jul 14 13:16:09 <hpk> he is busy, but he sent me mail with his info before
- Jul 14 13:16:22 <pedronis> he is in belgium
- Jul 14 13:16:43 <pedronis> then will be in Düsseldorf and from there to the sprint
- Jul 14 13:16:57 <stakkars> thanks
- Jul 14 13:17:15 <stakkars> for the sprint, we need an even number of people, as I remember :-)
- Jul 14 13:17:16 <hpk> ok, so the 25th-31st sprint is fixed then and i will prepare it, please arrive on the 24th evening or 25th morning and mail me about accomodation wishes
- Jul 14 13:17:42 <hpk> i'll post some info on pypy-sprint, make sure you are subscribed there
- Jul 14 13:18:01 <hpk> next topic: usage of issue tracker
- Jul 14 13:18:25 <hpk> for the upcoming releases (0.6.2 and 0.7/1.0) it has been discussed that we want to use the issue tracker
- Jul 14 13:18:43 <hpk> it should be clear to everyone (e.g. regarding the parser issues) that it is neccessary to look there
- Jul 14 13:18:55 <hpk> and update the issues accordingly
- Jul 14 13:19:12 <hpk> also the longobject issues etc.pp.
- Jul 14 13:19:32 <hpk> does everyone agree about using the pypy-dev tracker in this way?
- Jul 14 13:19:41 <aleale> ye
- Jul 14 13:19:43 <aleale> s
- Jul 14 13:19:54 <cfbolz> yes
- Jul 14 13:20:05 <adim> yes
- Jul 14 13:20:09 <ludal> yes
- Jul 14 13:20:19 <arre> yes
- Jul 14 13:20:42 <stakkars> yes
- Jul 14 13:20:51 <hpk> pedronis: you too, i guess?
- Jul 14 13:21:05 * hpk notes we have 9 minutes left
- Jul 14 13:21:14 <pedronis> yes
- Jul 14 13:21:23 <hpk> next topic: - list current main areas of work regarding reaching Deliverable D05.2
- Jul 14 13:21:30 <hpk> armin sent me this info from his POV:
- Jul 14 13:21:39 <hpk> Progressing on translate_pypy.py. There is a temp file
- Jul 14 13:21:39 <hpk> pypy/translator/goal/ISSUES.txt. Difficult to know more precisely what
- Jul 14 13:21:39 <hpk> is left. AFAICT we'll reach the first goal (PyPy as C ext module) any
- Jul 14 13:21:39 <hpk> day or week now.
- Jul 14 13:22:08 <hpk> samuele, anything you'd like to add (if not now then just to ISSUES.txt)
- Jul 14 13:22:50 <pedronis> we are solving issues as we seen them fromt translate_pypy
- Jul 14 13:22:58 <pedronis> there are 14000 blocks to go
- Jul 14 13:23:09 <pedronis> we reach some hundreds now
- Jul 14 13:23:16 <cfbolz> oops
- Jul 14 13:23:27 <pedronis> well, it doesn't mean much
- Jul 14 13:23:46 <pedronis> each fix should adress more than one block
- Jul 14 13:23:55 <pedronis> much more
- Jul 14 13:24:13 <hpk> pedronis: ok, i suggest to add separatable issues into the ISSUES.txt for everyone to see (if they are not solved/solveable isntantly)
- Jul 14 13:24:15 <pedronis> the only worry is a bit memory usage but hard to tell until we go trough more blocks
- Jul 14 13:24:28 <ludal> any way we could parallelize the work ?
- Jul 14 13:24:37 <stakkars> yes.
- Jul 14 13:24:45 <hpk> pedronis, stakkars: can you quickly tell about the "seed" situation?
- Jul 14 13:24:59 <stakkars> pick a random seed not in (42, 49, samuele what's your's?)
- Jul 14 13:25:18 <pedronis> 46
- Jul 14 13:25:22 <stakkars> set the environ variable (wait...)
- Jul 14 13:25:28 <pedronis> RTYPERSEED
- Jul 14 13:25:41 <hpk> let's put this info into ISSUES.txt please, stakkars, can you do that?
- Jul 14 13:25:43 <stakkars> yep! And this gives you a different order of problems.
- Jul 14 13:25:49 <stakkars> sure
- Jul 14 13:25:55 <hpk> ok, next topic (5 minutes left)
- Jul 14 13:26:03 <stakkars> 4
- Jul 14 13:26:07 <hpk> Heidelberg sprint planning status (now: 15-22th August !!!)
- Jul 14 13:26:16 <cfbolz> why did the date change?
- Jul 14 13:26:25 <hpk> you mailed the 15th-22nd august for the sprint-date
- Jul 14 13:26:29 <hpk> in your last mail to me
- Jul 14 13:26:31 <cfbolz> hum
- Jul 14 13:26:43 <hpk> you are the person who needs to reserve the rooms :-)
- Jul 14 13:26:58 <arre> Bad timing. My vacation ends 21/8.
- Jul 14 13:27:11 <cfbolz> it doesn't matter much for the rooms, I think I did a mistake in the mail to you :-(
- Jul 14 13:27:16 <cfbolz> sorry for the confusion
- Jul 14 13:27:25 <cfbolz> (I can get a room for the whole of August)
- Jul 14 13:27:59 <hpk> cfbolz: ok, so it stays 22nd (monday) -29th August (monday) ?
- Jul 14 13:28:07 <stakkars> I have a fixed date on 24.09. in Kiel and on 27.08., everything else is fine.
- Jul 14 13:28:18 <cfbolz> hpk: I guess so
- Jul 14 13:28:29 <hpk> cfbolz: let's fix it until monday next week
- Jul 14 13:28:34 <hpk> is that possible for you?
- Jul 14 13:28:46 <cfbolz> I can fix it immediately, I just have to know
- Jul 14 13:28:50 <hpk> stakkars: the 27th August would be in the sprint, but maybe you can just travel a day?
- Jul 14 13:29:30 <ludal> for me it's fine 22-29 aug
- Jul 14 13:29:41 <hpk> ludal: great!
- Jul 14 13:29:43 <stakkars> yes, I have to go to a big party, my ex-wife becomes 50
- Jul 14 13:29:50 <hpk> aleale, arre, pedronis: for you it's fine as well i guess
- Jul 14 13:29:57 <pedronis> yes
- Jul 14 13:30:01 <aleale> I am happy with the 22-29 too
- Jul 14 13:30:13 <stakkars> all fine with me
- Jul 14 13:30:14 <hpk> i am going to contact Michael Hudson
- Jul 14 13:30:19 <arre> Would work.
- Jul 14 13:30:22 <hpk> great, this finishes this meeting!
- Jul 14 13:30:31 <hpk> thanks for coming, see you next week latest!
Modified: pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-21-2005.txt
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--- pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-21-2005.txt (original)
+++ pypy/extradoc/minute/pypy-sync-07-21-2005.txt Wed Aug 3 19:19:14 2005
@@ -2,7 +2,8 @@
pypy-sync developer meeting 21st July 2005
=============================================
-Attendees: Anders Chrigstroem, Samuele Pedroni, Adrien Di Mascio,
+Attendees:
+ Anders Chrigstroem, Samuele Pedroni, Adrien Di Mascio,
Ludovic Aubry, Carl Friedrich Bolz, Holger Krekel (minutes),
Richard Emslie (partly)
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