[pypy-svn] r27868 - pypy/extradoc/minute
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Mon May 29 18:43:17 CEST 2006
Date: Mon May 29 18:43:06 2006
New Revision: 27868
draft minutes for today's pypy-sync
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+#pypy-sync 29th May 2006, 5pm (UTC+2)
+attendants: michael (mod and minutes), anto (beforehand), samuele,
+ carl, eric, arre, armin, anders, holger, nik
+: everybody posted, see log below.
+everybody posted, see log below.
+Duesseldorf sprint planning
+- thursday evening: a beer meeting point is 8pm "hotel an der uni"
+- friday morning: meeting point and time will be posted by Armin
+ holger will also try to get information.
+- monday is likely the breakday
+- armin may only arrive on the 4th
+- release day is set as the 7th, Wednesday
+The work on this is well in progress, says Armin. But he
+needs two days of work with Samuele on some specific sections.
+Michael offers to review wednesday afternoon.
+Also, some LateX fighting is foreseen, help would
+EP pre and post sprint
+We decided to go for the full 6th-9th (both including) as the
+post-EP sprint time. Sprint is scheduled in Geneva.
+pre-EP sprint: it is not clear yet who could come and focus on
+the core sprint. Carl, Michael and possibly Holger will not
+be able to attend. Niklaus, Christian, Armin, Anders and Arre
+We'll decide in DDorf about the pre-EP sprint
+and its location (Geneva or Leysin).
+Michael and holger will care tomorrow for co-ordinating/doing
+the pypy talk EuroPython 2006 submissions.
+Christian reported that Gerald stopped working for tismerysoft
+from March on and that Eric will stop on 1st July.
+ May 29 16:50:43 --> You are now talking on #pypy-sync
+ May 29 16:50:43 --- Topic for #pypy-sync is PyPy - the flexible snake. This channel is used for pair programming and sync meetings.
+ May 29 16:50:43 --- Topic for #pypy-sync set by xorAxAx at Sun Apr 16 21:44:23
+ May 29 17:01:09 <stakkars> 10:01
+ May 29 17:01:14 <hpk> hum, a few people missing still that's we'd like to have here
+ May 29 17:01:15 <stakkars> 17:01
+ May 29 17:01:15 <hpk> hi christian
+ May 29 17:01:21 <stakkars> hi Holgi
+ May 29 17:02:08 <arre> Hi!
+ May 29 17:02:12 <stakkars> hi
+ May 29 17:02:16 <hpk> mwh: are you here?
+ May 29 17:02:21 <stakkars> no need to wait for Eric or Samuele, btw
+ May 29 17:02:33 <mwh> ah right, i am here
+ May 29 17:02:33 --> nikh (n=nikh at 22.214.171.124.cust.bluewin.ch) has joined #pypy-sync
+ May 29 17:03:39 <hpk> yip, i had hoped that armin comes
+ May 29 17:04:00 <stakkars> Stephan seems to be busy in the afternoon
+ May 29 17:04:10 <hpk> anyway, let's start, here is the topic list:
+ May 29 17:04:24 <hpk> * activity reports
+ May 29 17:04:24 <hpk> * duesseldorf sprint planning
+ May 29 17:04:24 <hpk> * DLS paper status
+ May 29 17:04:24 <hpk> * pre-EP sprint
+ May 29 17:04:44 <stakkars> ok, I'll start pasting
+ May 29 17:04:51 <hpk> go ahead
+ May 29 17:04:55 <stakkars> DONE: Need For Speed sprint: worked on an RPython version of decimal.py (not finished due to problems with the way it is written and prebuilt classes)
+ May 29 17:05:04 <stakkars> NEXT: supporting Stackless and pickling work, still seaching for "the" way to handle threads, need to sync with Samuele
+ May 29 17:05:10 <stakkars> BLOCK: hop.inputconst(Ptr(PyObject), nullptr(PyObject))
+ May 29 17:05:21 <hpk> LAST: sprint issues, june technical project assessment, SoC issues
+ May 29 17:05:21 <hpk> NEXT: DDorf sprint, HHU admin meeting, 0.9 works
+ May 29 17:05:21 <hpk> BLOCKERS: too much
+ May 29 17:05:29 <nikh> LAST: university stuff
+ May 29 17:05:29 <nikh> NEXT: university stuff, a bit of sprinting
+ May 29 17:05:29 <nikh> BLOCKERS: none
+ May 29 17:05:31 --- You are now known as ericvrp
+ May 29 17:05:35 <aleale> PREV: OWLreasoner
+ May 29 17:05:35 <aleale> PREV: OWLreasoner
+ May 29 17:05:35 <aleale> NEXT: more OWLreasoner and sprint
+ May 29 17:05:35 <aleale> blocker: -
+ May 29 17:05:37 <ericvrp> LAST: pickling + put profile based optimization in benchmark cronjob
+ May 29 17:05:37 <ericvrp> + speedup pypy-llvm
+ May 29 17:05:37 <ericvrp> NEXT: pickling
+ May 29 17:05:37 <ericvrp> BLOCKERS: -
+ May 29 17:05:40 --- You are now known as hpk
+ May 29 17:05:43 <arre> PREV: Vacation
+ May 29 17:05:44 <arre> NEXT: Some Unicode work, Duesseldorf
+ May 29 17:05:44 <arre> BLOCKERS: -
+ May 29 17:06:18 <mwh> LAST: this and that, some gc stuff
+ May 29 17:06:19 <mwh> NEXT: dls paper, travel, sprint
+ May 29 17:06:19 <mwh> BLOCKERS: keeping up
+ May 29 17:06:40 <hpk> ok then on to DDorf sprint planning
+ May 29 17:06:55 <hpk> stakkars: i guess it makes most sense to try to remove your blocker on #pypy later
+ May 29 17:07:13 <hpk> DDorf: most of us already arrive on 1st
+ May 29 17:07:20 <hpk> do we have a meeting point/time somewhere?
+ May 29 17:07:23 <stakkars> if you know what it means then you know that it is None :-)
+ May 29 17:08:14 <mwh> i arrive pretty late on the 1st
+ May 29 17:08:22 <hpk> ah ok
+ May 29 17:08:22 <mwh> i don't actually know where we are sprinting
+ May 29 17:08:23 <aleale> I will first arrive at 23
+ May 29 17:08:46 <stakkars> I have no clue when I arrive. Will take some train
+ May 29 17:08:50 <mwh> i guess we could meet somewhere near armin's and my office
+ May 29 17:08:56 <mwh> stakkars: which day, at least?
+ May 29 17:09:02 <hpk> or at the "hotel an der uni" where most everybody stays apparently
+ May 29 17:09:11 <stakkars> as I said in people.txt, June 1st.
+ May 29 17:09:16 <mwh> stakkars: ok
+ May 29 17:09:28 <hpk> ok, i guess i might drop by the hotel at 8 pm or so, more on the mobile phone
+ May 29 17:09:42 <stakkars> then we should meet there
+ May 29 17:09:50 --> arigo (n=arigo at c-1f8b70d5.022-54-67626719.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #pypy-sync
+ May 29 17:09:55 <hpk> arigo: hi armin!
+ May 29 17:10:02 <stakkars> welcome!
+ May 29 17:10:05 <arigo> sorry
+ May 29 17:10:19 <hpk> we just said that some of us weill meet already on june 1st 8pm "hotel an der uni"
+ May 29 17:10:33 <hpk> another question was: where do we meet friday morning
+ May 29 17:10:49 <arigo> at the CS department, I expect
+ May 29 17:10:59 <hpk> it would be good if someone local could post some precise enough information
+ May 29 17:11:11 <arigo> indeed
+ May 29 17:11:12 <hpk> like street name and number or so
+ May 29 17:11:15 <mwh> prepare to get lost :)
+ May 29 17:11:20 <arigo> yes :-)
+ May 29 17:11:20 <mwh> the hhu campus is a maze
+ May 29 17:11:37 <hpk> great, i'll be there on 1st already to meet with lene and HHU admins at 2pm, btw
+ May 29 17:12:35 <hpk> do we go for a breakday on monday?
+ May 29 17:13:10 <stakkars> well, if DDorf has something worthy to break for :-)
+ May 29 17:13:17 <hpk> and a 0.9 release on wednesday?
+ May 29 17:13:39 <hpk> i'd not like to do it on the last day (which seems to become the 8th/thursday where everybody is still there)
+ May 29 17:13:48 <mwh> hpk: makes sense
+ May 29 17:13:51 <arigo> just to mention it, I'm still unsure if I arrive the 1st or only the 4th
+ May 29 17:14:03 <aleale> Monday is a public holiday ?
+ May 29 17:14:14 <hpk> aleale: in germany yes, don't know about others
+ May 29 17:14:15 <mwh> (i'm trying to find a map on the hhu website, i know one is there somewhere...)
+ May 29 17:14:37 <mwh> arigo: when will you be sure?
+ May 29 17:14:49 <mwh> i have sufficient keys to get in at any time
+ May 29 17:15:01 <hpk> arigo: good to know, then 5th as a breakday would not be so great
+ May 29 17:15:20 <arigo> hpk: I thought about it, and no other day looks very great anyway, so never mind
+ May 29 17:15:46 <hpk> ok, it's going to be a busy sprint, i think
+ May 29 17:15:55 <arigo> also, Carl is not around? he's the only one that knows about the sprint venue AFAIK
+ May 29 17:16:05 <hpk> arigo: i'll ask him when i see him
+ May 29 17:16:23 <mwh> arigo: i guess michael would know if we get desparate
+ May 29 17:16:26 <hpk> he is very likely out a few days due to personal issues, unfortunately
+ May 29 17:16:58 <arigo> ok, then I'll post information about reaching the CS department, at least
+ May 29 17:17:17 <hpk> arigo: ok, i'll also mail leuschel in a second (need to confirm the 1st june date anyway)
+ May 29 17:17:27 <hpk> he probably has a good pointer
+ May 29 17:17:39 <hpk> i'll CC you so you can repost/enrich and send to pypy-sprint
+ May 29 17:17:42 <mwh> i expect so
+ May 29 17:17:47 <stakkars> and hopefully no weak ref
+ May 29 17:17:51 <hpk> next topic: DLS paper
+ May 29 17:18:01 <hpk> what is the status?
+ May 29 17:18:23 <hpk> (DLS = dynamic language symposium, deadline 30 or 31st may)
+ May 29 17:18:25 <mwh> it seems to be about 50% done?
+ May 29 17:18:31 <mwh> deadline is june 1
+ May 29 17:18:35 <hpk> including?
+ May 29 17:18:40 <arigo> I think the meat of the text is done
+ May 29 17:18:46 <mwh> http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/dls2006/openconf.php
+ May 29 17:19:02 <mwh> hpk: don't know, but as everyone is traveling on the 1st...
+ May 29 17:19:14 <hpk> except armin maybe :)
+ May 29 17:19:22 <hpk> 31st becomes the actual deadline indeed
+ May 29 17:19:43 <mwh> makes some sense
+ May 29 17:19:46 <hpk> this wednesday, uff
+ May 29 17:20:03 <mwh> i will try to read through the paper tomorrow
+ May 29 17:20:19 <mwh> then we can spend wednesday fighting with latex :/
+ May 29 17:20:20 <arigo> I definitely plan to work on it with Samuele for the whole next two days
+ May 29 17:20:25 <mwh> oh right
+ May 29 17:20:40 <arigo> hum, that includes the fighting with latex day, hopefully
+ May 29 17:21:15 * stakkars needs to add a tiny topic to the very, just telling about personnell changes in tismerysoft
+ May 29 17:21:22 <stakkars> very end
+ May 29 17:21:43 <mwh> so the DLS paper status is "in progress"
+ May 29 17:21:54 <hpk> arigo: ok, please scream if you need help for reviewing or even writing
+ May 29 17:21:54 <arigo> actively so, yes
+ May 29 17:22:14 <hpk> the more precise the scream the better :)
+ May 29 17:22:27 <stakkars> arigo: if it helps, I can make up some time on Wednesday
+ May 29 17:22:30 <arigo> what is left are the parts that only Samuele can really do right
+ May 29 17:22:37 <hpk> i see
+ May 29 17:22:44 <arigo> the references, related work etc.
+ May 29 17:23:04 <hpk> arigo: well, thanks a lot for taking up on this, btw
+ May 29 17:23:47 <hpk> one thing: i saw that hardly anyone assigned 0.9 issues to himself, it would really be helpful if we could distribute the efforts, also before the sprint
+ May 29 17:24:27 <stakkars> how about going through the list on Thursday evning, together?
+ May 29 17:24:46 <hpk> might make sense, yes, or friday morning, where we need a planning session anyway
+ May 29 17:24:56 <hpk> thursday evening not everybody will be there
+ May 29 17:25:12 <stakkars> but enough to get 80% off the kist
+ May 29 17:25:15 <stakkars> list
+ May 29 17:25:21 <hpk> mwh: how much are EP deadlines interfering with our sprint timing?
+ May 29 17:25:41 <mwh> well, the submission deadline for talks is the 31st
+ May 29 17:25:52 <stakkars> *gulp*
+ May 29 17:26:05 <hpk> mwh: sure but i mean the sprint itself
+ May 29 17:26:10 <mwh> so it would be nice to get a preliminary timetable up by the 4th or so
+ May 29 17:26:16 <hpk> mwh: but we indeed need to submit our talks that we discussed about last time
+ May 29 17:26:22 <mwh> we need to get some pypy talk submissions in
+ May 29 17:26:24 <mwh> yes, indeed
+ May 29 17:26:33 <mwh> before the sprint...
+ May 29 17:26:45 <mwh> i put a small summary of the ideas into extradoc
+ May 29 17:26:56 <hpk> mwh: shall we co-ordinate tomorrow on #pypy regarding the talk submissions and see how we get them done?
+ May 29 17:26:58 <mwh> we need to decide who gives what talk
+ May 29 17:27:01 <mwh> hpk: ok
+ May 29 17:27:10 <hpk> mwh: yes
+ May 29 17:27:18 <mwh> tomorrow then
+ May 29 17:27:39 <hpk> ok, last topic
+ May 29 17:27:43 <mwh> hpk: can you explain your pre-ep sprint mail then, you seem to have confused armin and me at least :)
+ May 29 17:27:57 <stakkars> me 2
+ May 29 17:28:08 <hpk> mwh: you answered "you had similar thoughts", didn't you?
+ May 29 17:28:41 <mwh> well, yes, but i'm not sure what you were in fact proposing
+ May 29 17:28:44 <hpk> let's simply ask: who would come to a four-day pre-EP sprint and promise to 90% focus on pypy core and not on anything EP related?
+ May 29 17:29:03 <mwh> i think i want to be in geneva well before the conference
+ May 29 17:29:13 <mwh> i don't think i could reasonably sprint in leysin say
+ May 29 17:29:20 <hpk> i know that Carl can't either
+ May 29 17:29:29 <mwh> this doesn't apply to everyone else so much necessarily!
+ May 29 17:29:46 <hpk> and i personally doubt that anyone would have the focus we had last time in leysin (where we convened for almost 7 days, without many distractions!)
+ May 29 17:29:51 <stakkars> speaking for myself, Leysin would be preferable
+ May 29 17:30:34 <aleale> I dont have anything to do concerning EP
+ May 29 17:30:44 <hpk> anyway, let's close the official meeting (apart from christian's point) and decide in Duesseldorf about pre-EP
+ May 29 17:30:52 <nikh> for what it's worth, i could come to a pre-EP sprint (but not the post-EP one). i'd prefer geneva.
+ May 29 17:31:12 * hpk is not out to block it, just trying to realistically make a guess about how effective it would be
+ May 29 17:31:14 <stakkars> I think to come to whatsoever
+ May 29 17:31:31 <stakkars> shortly to my point?
+ May 29 17:31:47 <hpk> sure
+ May 29 17:32:17 <stakkars> 1. Gerald has resigned from tismerysoft, backward by the end of March.
+ May 29 17:32:44 <stakkars> 2. Eric is leaving the company on his own behalf by end of June.
+ May 29 17:33:12 <stakkars> 3. I'm trying to get Richard back into more PyPy work by motivating EWT. This is in progress.
+ May 29 17:33:14 <stakkars> EOF
+ May 29 17:33:24 <arre> Pre- and/or post- is not problem for me.
+ May 29 17:33:43 <hpk> the post-EP one is not in question
+ May 29 17:34:23 <stakkars> side note: EWT people are coming to EP, and might consider to join a sprint if they are welcome.
+ May 29 17:34:30 <hpk> stakkars: i see, thanks for letting us know
+ May 29 17:34:49 * stakkars is actually sad about 1/2 but well
+ May 29 17:35:09 <hpk> i imagine
+ May 29 17:36:20 <hpk> nikh: good to know, that you'd come to pre-ep :)
+ May 29 17:36:24 <mwh> any other business?
+ May 29 17:36:25 <arigo> can we decide now that the post-EP sprint from 6th to 9th in Geneva will occur?
+ May 29 17:36:56 <hpk> sure, it think it's clear that we do a post-ep, question is how long
+ May 29 17:37:00 <arigo> the situation seems confused enough that I think we should clarify this now, if possible
+ May 29 17:37:15 <arigo> 6th-9th are the official dates, I don't think it can easily be longer
+ May 29 17:37:30 <stakkars> I think so, yes
+ May 29 17:37:30 <mwh> arigo: sounds good to me
+ May 29 17:37:33 <hpk> ok, then let's go for that
+ May 29 17:37:46 <hpk> 9th including (to not loose another of those few days)
+ May 29 17:37:53 <arigo> yes
+ May 29 17:38:07 <hpk> so people should usually stay until 10th, unless they only have a short trip
+ May 29 17:38:41 <mwh> makes sense
+ May 29 17:38:46 <hpk> ok, this is set, then if nobody objects (/me notes that he is not sure about his full post-EP attendance yet)
+ May 29 17:39:07 <stakkars> not sure about what?
+ May 29 17:39:16 <hpk> not sure about coming the full post-ep time myself
+ May 29 17:39:16 <stakkars> ah, your attendance
+ May 29 17:39:19 <hpk> right
+ May 29 17:39:43 * hpk redundantly sidenotes that he'd like to get to some project planning regarding the rest of the year, including sprints
+ May 29 17:39:47 <stakkars> my auto-detypo-filter made me read "this" :-)
+ May 29 17:40:15 <mwh> hpk: i guess ddorf is a good place for that
+ May 29 17:41:15 <hpk> yip
+ May 29 17:41:37 <hpk> (the meeting is closed, in case nobody noticed yet :)
+ May 29 17:42:01 <stakkars> bye
+ May 29 17:42:05 <nikh> ok, bye then ;)
+ May 29 17:42:11 <arigo> bye!
+ May 29 17:42:14 <hpk> bye
+ May 29 17:42:17 <aleale> bye
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