[pypy-dev] More on optimization

Samuele Pedroni pedronis at bluewin.ch
Thu Nov 4 15:51:50 CET 2004

Samuele Pedroni wrote:

> Armin Rigo wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 06:09:57PM +0100, Samuele Pedroni wrote:
>>> (...) In Java, lisp etc is not that much a relevant problem because 
>>> for example Java arrays carry a length anyway and are heap allocated.
>> Ops, by the way: we can't use a Java array to implement a RPython list 
>> because
>> you can't resize Java arrays.  So there is an extra indirection even 
>> in Java
>> and there is a need to remove it with enough analysis and 
>> optimizations...
>> Or am I missing something?
> it depends on how you implement things, realloc needs to be expressed as 
>  alloc and copy but I don't see what force you to incapsulate the array
> in an extra layer object.

oops, sorry now I see, you want RPython lists to be lists, that's 
probably different that what we wanted originally.

listobject is still written asssuming that ob_item is a chunk of memory 
(i), but in other parts we are assuming RPython list can be extended and 
appended to (ii).

(btw  question is btw whether resizing policy should be in listobject on 
in the RPython list sematics.)

With approach 2 we would go from all the fields necesessary from a 
general list to just len+items for the first case because some thing are 

It's still true that both an ad-hoc approach given knowledge about the 
specific type that exist in RPython, or a general one is possible.

In Java as first approx you would use an array for (i) and ArrayList for

I still think that a baseline intepreter with straightforward 
optimizations is a good first goal, also because we can use it as 
reference to track our progress and see what gives the biggest payoffs.

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