[pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

Maciej Fijalkowski fijall at gmail.com
Mon Oct 17 09:34:42 CEST 2011

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Armin Rigo <arigo at tunes.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 23:41, David Cournapeau <cournape at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Interesting to know. But then, wouldn't this limit the speed gains to
>> be expected from the JIT ?
> Yes, to some extent.  It cannot give you the last bit of performance
> improvements you could expect from arithmetic optimizations, but (as
> usual) you get already the several-times improvements of e.g. removing
> the boxing and unboxing of float objects.  Personally I'm wary of
> going down that path, because it means that the results we get could
> suddenly change their least significant digit(s) when the JIT kicks
> in.  At least there are multiple tests in the standard Python test
> suite that would fail because of that.

The thing is that as with python there are scenarios where we can
optimize a lot (like you said by doing type specialization or folding
array operations or using multithreading based on runtime decisions)
where we don't have to squeeze the last 2% of performance. This is the
approach that worked great for optimizing Python so far (concentrate
on the larger picture).

>> And I am not sure I understand how you can "not go there" if you want
>> to vectorize code to use SIMD instruction sets ?
> I'll leave fijal to answer this question in detail :-)  I suppose that
> the goal is first to use SIMD when explicitly requested in the RPython
> source, in the numpy code that operate on matrices; and not do the
> harder job of automatically unrolling and SIMD-ing loops containing
> Python float operations.  But even the later could be done without
> giving up on the idea that all Python operations should be present in
> a bit-exact way (e.g. by using SIMD on 64-bit floats, not on 32-bit
> floats).

For now we restrict SIMD operations to explicit array arithmetics and
we don't do automatic vectorization. We'll see later what we do with
it :)


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