[pypy-dev] Question

Ryan Gonzalez rymg19 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 11 21:08:56 CEST 2015 

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pypy/ppa
sudo apt-get update


On June 11, 2015 1:54:55 PM CDT, Ram Rachum <ram at rachum.com> wrote:
>I have no idea how to use the PyPy PPA. (Not a Linux user here.)
>
>On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Randall Leeds
><randall.leeds at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> The PyPy PPA works brilliantly on 15.04 for me.
>>
>> From there I just make a virtualenv with:
>>
>> $ virtualenv -P /usr/bin/pypy
>>
>> (Can't remember if it's -P or -p)
>>
>> Once activated, just running pip works fine for me.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015, 11:49 Ram Rachum <ram at rachum.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Against my better judgement, I tried following your advice :)
>>>
>>> Got this error when running make:
>>>
>>> [translation:ERROR] CompilationError: CompilationError(err="""
>>> [translation:ERROR]
>/tmp/usession-release-2.6.0-0/platcheck_23.c:79:18:
>>> fatal error: zlib.h: No such file or directory
>>> [translation:ERROR]  #include <zlib.h>
>>> [translation:ERROR]                   ^
>>> [translation:ERROR] compilation terminated.
>>> [translation:ERROR] """)
>>> [translation] start debugger...
>>> >
>>>
>/home/ubuntu/Desktop/pypy-2.6.0-src/rpython/rtyper/tool/rffi_platform.py(834)configure_external_library()
>>> -> raise last_error
>>> (Pdb+)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, these is just general Linux issues. Like I said, not
>even
>>>>> Linus Torvalds makes binaries of his dive logger for Linux. It a
>pain in
>>>>> the everything.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *these are* (damn, I hate autocorrect...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually have the *worst* luck building stuff, but PyPy was
>actually
>>>>> very easy. I ran `make` and it "just worked". You don't need to
>know C.
>>>>> Even if you did, trying to edit the C code generated by RPython
>would be
>>>>> suicide.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Ram Rachum <ram at rachum.com>
>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I suck at building. I don't know C. There are likely to be errors
>that
>>>>>> I wouldn't know how to deal with. I'm not interested in wasting
>another
>>>>>> hour trying to deal with those.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm on Ubuntu 15.04. Thanks for the offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully instead of investing so much development effort making
>PyPy
>>>>>> x8 times faster than CPython instead of x7 faster, there'll be
>more effort
>>>>>> to make PyPy easier to install. This also goes for Windows: Why
>isn't there
>>>>>> an installer? But yeah, it's an open-source project, so I'm just
>ranting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Ryan Gonzalez <rymg19 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember: I am *dead* serious about you rebuilding it. If you're
>on
>>>>>>> Ubuntu 14 LTS x64, I can email you the binaries I built that
>*work* for you
>>>>>>> to try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Ram Rachum <ram at rachum.com>
>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately it doesn't work for nosetests. I've sent a
>message to
>>>>>>>> python-ideas about this, maybe the -m flag should be changed to
>work on
>>>>>>>> scripts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried a few things, including pyenv, but it didn't work. I've
>>>>>>>> given up at this point. Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Ryan Gonzalez
><rymg19 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dang, I forgot about that. Unfortunately, I don't think that
>works
>>>>>>>>> for some other Python packages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On June 11, 2015 11:44:38 AM CDT, Romain Guillebert
><romain.py@
>>>>>>>>> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pypy -m pip works
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Ryan Gonzalez
><rymg19 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I don't think you can out-of-the-box without some env tool.
>Blame apt-get's
>>>>>>>>>>>  brilliant engineering. Since I'm generally allergic to
>binaries (I.e. THEY
>>>>>>>>>>>  DON'T WORK! [which is probably why Torvalds never
>distributes app binaries
>>>>>>>>>>>  for Linux]), I do things the simple way: build it myself.
>Takes about 45
>>>>>>>>>>>  mins. Always works. pip and pytest and such will all get
>installed into the
>>>>>>>>>>>  source directory/bin, NOT /usr/local. In order to access
>them easily, I put
>>>>>>>>>>>  something like this in my .bashrc:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  for bin in $STUFF/pypy/bin; do
>>>>>>>>>>>  alias pypy-${bin##*/}=$bin
>>>>>>>>>>>  done
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  # Laziness
>>>>>>>>>>>  alias pypy="$STUFF/pypy/pypy-c"
>>>>>>>>>>>  # it was either that or:
>>>>>>>>>>>  alias pypy="$STUFF/pypy/bin/pyp
>>>>>>>>>>>  y-c"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  On June 11, 2015 10:00:50 AM CDT, Ram Rachum
><ram at rachum.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  As far as I know scripts don't get installed to site
>packages (at least on
>>>>>>>>>>>>  windows).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  In other words: say I installed pypy on Ubuntu with nose
>in it. I want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>  launch the nosetests script. (I also have one for the
>system Python.) How do
>>>>>>>>>>>>  I launch the nosetests that belongs to PyPy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Jun 11, 2015 17:48, "Maciej Fijalkowski"
><fijall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  you can install pypy with apt-get. Stuff gets installed
>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  site-packages I believe (just like on cpython)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Ram Rachum
><ram at rachum.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Things I don't care about so much right now:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   - How fast PyPy runs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Things I care a lot about right now:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   - How many hours of my life I need to spend to get PyPy
>to run.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Ryan Gonzalez
><rymg19 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Note: The PyPy bundled with Ubuntu 12 LTS is insanely
>slow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On June 11, 2015 9:27:12 AM CDT, Ram Rachum
><ram at rachum.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  When I install Pypy on Ubuntu using apt-get, and then
>run get-pip.py
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  how do I access the pip that belongs to PyPy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>> [ERROR]: Your autotools build scripts are 200 lines longer than
>your
>>>>>>> program. Something’s wrong.
>>>>>>> http://kirbyfan64.github.io/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> [ERROR]: Your autotools build scripts are 200 lines longer than
>your
>>>>> program. Something’s wrong.
>>>>> http://kirbyfan64.github.io/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ryan
>>>> [ERROR]: Your autotools build scripts are 200 lines longer than
>your
>>>> program. Something’s wrong.
>>>> http://kirbyfan64.github.io/
>>>>
>>>>
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