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[Maciej Fijalkowski]

Hi Daniel.

We've done all of the proposed scenarios. We had some success talking
to companies, but there is a lot of resistance for various reasons
(and the successful proposals I can't talk about), including the
inability to pay open source from the engineering budget and instead
doing it via the marketing budget (which is orders of magnitude
slower). In short - you need to offer them something in exchange,
which usually means you need to do a good job, but not good enough (so
you can fix it for money). This is a very perverse incentive, btu this
is how it goes.

As for kickstarter - that targets primarily end-user experience and
not infrastructure. As such, it's hard to find money from users for
infrastructure, because it has relatively few direct users - mostly
large companies.

As for who is working on this subject - I am. Feel free to get in
touch with me via other channels (private mail, gchat, IRC) if you
have deeper insights

Best regards,
Maciej Fijalkowski

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Armin Rigo <arigo at tunes.org> wrote:
> On 19 May 2016 at 14:58,  <pypy-dev-owner at python.org> wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Daniel Hnyk <hnykda at gmail.com>
>> To: pypy-dev at python.org
>> Cc:
>> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 12:58:36 +0000
>> Subject: Question about funding, again
>> Hello,
>>
>> my question is simple. It strikes me why you don't have more financial support, since PyPy might save quite a lot of resources compared to CPython. When we witness that e.g. microsoft is able to donate $100k to Jupyter (https://ipython.org/microsoft-donation-2013.html), why PyPy, being even more generic then Jupyter, has problem to raise few tenths of thousands.
>>
>> I can find few mentions about this on the internet, but no serious article or summary is out there.
>>
>> Have you tried any of the following?
>>
>> 1. Trying to get some funding from big companies and organizations such as Google, Microsoft, RedHat or some other like Free Software Foundation? If not, why not?
>> 2. Crowd founding websites such as Kickstarter or Indiegogo get quite a big attention nowadays even for similar projects. There were successful campaigns for projects with even smaller target group, such as designers (https://krita.org/) or video editors (openshot 2). Why haven't you created a campaign there? Micropython, again, with much smaller target group of users had got funded as well.
>>
>> Is someone working on this subject? Or is there a general lack of man power in PyPy's team? Couldn't be someone hired from money already collected?
>>
>> Thanks for an answer,
>> Daniel
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