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Thanks for answer Maciej!

I'm glad that this is in progress. It isn't possible to make some image
about the situation from what I have found on the web. You response
clarifies that a bit. I understand how difficult it can be.

But I disagree with you regarding kickstarter. Pypy is connected to user
experience. E.g. I am working as datascientists and pypy is running about 3
times faster on the code I am able to use it on (which is, unfortunately,
minority - most of it is of course in those 4 libraries which shines red on
the library support wall - numpy, scipy, pandas, scikit-learn). Similar
with (py)Spark. I would say there are more data scientists using Python
than those who likes to use "MicroPython on the ESP8266". The gain this
field can get from Pypy is quite substantial, even with that conservative
estimate about 3 times as fast compared to cPython. And that is just one
example.

Of course, I cannot ensure that you might get reasonably funded on
kickstarter-like sites. But, what can you lose by making a campaign? It
would be definitely much more visible than on your website, which, to be
honest, could be a bit modernized as well.  And even if it wouldn't be a
success, you still get PR basically for free.

I, unfortunately, don't have any insights or recommendation, it just
scratched my mind.

Thanks for your awesome work,
Daniel

čt 19. 5. 2016 v 18:12 odesílatel Maciej Fijalkowski <fijall at gmail.com>
napsal:

> Hi Daniel.
>
> We've done all of the proposed scenarios. We had some success talking
> to companies, but there is a lot of resistance for various reasons
> (and the successful proposals I can't talk about), including the
> inability to pay open source from the engineering budget and instead
> doing it via the marketing budget (which is orders of magnitude
> slower). In short - you need to offer them something in exchange,
> which usually means you need to do a good job, but not good enough (so
> you can fix it for money). This is a very perverse incentive, btu this
> is how it goes.
>
> As for kickstarter - that targets primarily end-user experience and
> not infrastructure. As such, it's hard to find money from users for
> infrastructure, because it has relatively few direct users - mostly
> large companies.
>
> As for who is working on this subject - I am. Feel free to get in
> touch with me via other channels (private mail, gchat, IRC) if you
> have deeper insights
>
> Best regards,
> Maciej Fijalkowski
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Armin Rigo <arigo at tunes.org> wrote:
> > On 19 May 2016 at 14:58,  <pypy-dev-owner at python.org> wrote:
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Daniel Hnyk <hnykda at gmail.com>
> >> To: pypy-dev at python.org
> >> Cc:
> >> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 12:58:36 +0000
> >> Subject: Question about funding, again
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> my question is simple. It strikes me why you don't have more financial
> support, since PyPy might save quite a lot of resources compared to
> CPython. When we witness that e.g. microsoft is able to donate $100k to
> Jupyter (https://ipython.org/microsoft-donation-2013.html), why PyPy,
> being even more generic then Jupyter, has problem to raise few tenths of
> thousands.
> >>
> >> I can find few mentions about this on the internet, but no serious
> article or summary is out there.
> >>
> >> Have you tried any of the following?
> >>
> >> 1. Trying to get some funding from big companies and organizations such
> as Google, Microsoft, RedHat or some other like Free Software Foundation?
> If not, why not?
> >> 2. Crowd founding websites such as Kickstarter or Indiegogo get quite a
> big attention nowadays even for similar projects. There were successful
> campaigns for projects with even smaller target group, such as designers (
> https://krita.org/) or video editors (openshot 2). Why haven't you
> created a campaign there? Micropython, again, with much smaller target
> group of users had got funded as well.
> >>
> >> Is someone working on this subject? Or is there a general lack of man
> power in PyPy's team? Couldn't be someone hired from money already
> collected?
> >>
> >> Thanks for an answer,
> >> Daniel
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