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[Dima Tisnek]

Indeed kickstarter (or similar) cannot be about general research of
infrastructure.
It has to be about something visible, a goal that's shared in a crowd.

IMO a campaign to achieve cpython-3.latest parity in pypy will get backers.
Not only from pypy users, but also from cpython world, because:
* it places Python 3 (language) into mainstream pypy, thus closing
py2/py3 divide, and
* it establishes Python as a larger standard (two implementations)

Just my 2c.
d.

On 19 May 2016 at 18:12, Maciej Fijalkowski <fijall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Daniel.
>
> We've done all of the proposed scenarios. We had some success talking
> to companies, but there is a lot of resistance for various reasons
> (and the successful proposals I can't talk about), including the
> inability to pay open source from the engineering budget and instead
> doing it via the marketing budget (which is orders of magnitude
> slower). In short - you need to offer them something in exchange,
> which usually means you need to do a good job, but not good enough (so
> you can fix it for money). This is a very perverse incentive, btu this
> is how it goes.
>
> As for kickstarter - that targets primarily end-user experience and
> not infrastructure. As such, it's hard to find money from users for
> infrastructure, because it has relatively few direct users - mostly
> large companies.
>
> As for who is working on this subject - I am. Feel free to get in
> touch with me via other channels (private mail, gchat, IRC) if you
> have deeper insights
>
> Best regards,
> Maciej Fijalkowski
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Armin Rigo <arigo at tunes.org> wrote:
>> On 19 May 2016 at 14:58,  <pypy-dev-owner at python.org> wrote:
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Daniel Hnyk <hnykda at gmail.com>
>>> To: pypy-dev at python.org
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 12:58:36 +0000
>>> Subject: Question about funding, again
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> my question is simple. It strikes me why you don't have more financial support, since PyPy might save quite a lot of resources compared to CPython. When we witness that e.g. microsoft is able to donate $100k to Jupyter (https://ipython.org/microsoft-donation-2013.html), why PyPy, being even more generic then Jupyter, has problem to raise few tenths of thousands.
>>>
>>> I can find few mentions about this on the internet, but no serious article or summary is out there.
>>>
>>> Have you tried any of the following?
>>>
>>> 1. Trying to get some funding from big companies and organizations such as Google, Microsoft, RedHat or some other like Free Software Foundation? If not, why not?
>>> 2. Crowd founding websites such as Kickstarter or Indiegogo get quite a big attention nowadays even for similar projects. There were successful campaigns for projects with even smaller target group, such as designers (https://krita.org/) or video editors (openshot 2). Why haven't you created a campaign there? Micropython, again, with much smaller target group of users had got funded as well.
>>>
>>> Is someone working on this subject? Or is there a general lack of man power in PyPy's team? Couldn't be someone hired from money already collected?
>>>
>>> Thanks for an answer,
>>> Daniel
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