[Python-bugs-list] [ python-Bugs-468443 ] Python download/install process

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Bugs item #468443, was opened at 2001-10-05 16:43
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Category: Installation
Group: Feature Request
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Talin (talin)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Python download/install process

Initial Comment:
I just guided a friend through the process of 
downloading and installing Python 2.1.1. Here is the 
transcript of our conversation. See comments below.
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Deanna: Talin, I want to d/l Python but I don't see 
where the download is.  can you help me?

Talin: What does the web page title say?

Deanna: Python 2.1.1 - a bugfix release for Python 2.1

Talin: OK, scroll down to where it says "download 
locations" and click on the link that says HTTP

Deanna: got it

Talin: Click on the file ending with .exe and download 
it

Talin: Then run that file

Deanna: k

Talin: That's an installer.

Deanna: and the others?

Talin: Just that one

Deanna: thanks
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Normally I wouldn't bother to mention this - people 
who use programming languages should know how to 
download and install things. However, since Python is 
supposed to be intended for novice computer users, I 
think it would make sense to improve the download 
process and make it more self-explanatory.

In the above transcript, some things are apparent:

1) The download page is kind of terse - the "Download 
Locations" simply says "Python.org HTTP". Not everyone 
knows that "HTTP" is a way of downloading files, most 
people think it's just a way of viewing web pages. 
(Most people don't realize that web pages are files.)

2) The link leads you to a raw listing of files, with 
no explanation of which files to download.

3) Since my friend is a windows user, she doesn't know 
that ".tar.gz" files are typically only used on Unix 
systems. A similar logic can be made about the other 
files in that directory.


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>Comment By: Martin v. Löwis (loewis)
Date: 2001-10-05 17:23

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Your point 2) is not true. Above the download locations, 
it say

"Windows users should download Python-2.1.1.exe, the 
Windows installer, from one of the download locations 
below, run it, and follow the friendly instructions on the 
screen to complete the installation."

It also explains Python-2.1.1-Debug.zip. This also makes 
your point 3) irrelevant: the page clearly says that the 
.tgz is for "All others".

On HTTP/FTP, somebody who doesn't know what to do would 
hopefully be smart enough to click on the link that 
follows the text "Download locations", perhaps assuming 
that these were different locations.

So I propose to close this with no change.


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