From patcam at python.org  Tue Apr  3 19:54:34 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:54:34 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contributor agreement
In-Reply-To: <CAL3CFcU0Cske5hC3o7sMOeNVJyEX4DeQyqtS6eEy6UZeV79xdg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Andrew:

Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement. Your online profile on
the PSF bug tracker has been updated to show that you have a contributor
agreement on file with us.

Thanks,
Pat

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Andrew Svetlov <andrew.svetlov at gmail.com>wrote:

> Looks like easier to fill that form again.
>
> Please see attachment.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
> > Hi Martin:
> >
> > Well, Kurt will get the contributor agreements that were collected
> > at PyCon 2012 to me. I am cc'ing him on this email.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Pat
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:35 PM, <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Okay, regarding your contributor agreement, I have cc'd Martin. If
> >>> he has it, then there should be no problem with him forwarding it
> >>> to me.
> >>
> >>
> >> I gave a bunch of them (including Andrew's) to Kurt Kaiser.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pat Campbell
> > PSF Administrator/Secretary
> > patcam at python.org
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Andrew Svetlov
>



-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
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From rdmurray at bitdance.com  Fri Apr  6 04:44:50 2012
From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:44:50 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] state of repo?
Message-ID: <20120406024437.A2B02250603@webabinitio.net>

I just tried to merge a change from 3.2 to default and found an unexpected
file being merged.  Looking at the graph, it *looks* like Sandro copied a
change to default instead of merging it, even though his commit comment
says merge.  That would be fine, I'd just do a null merge...except that
the file I'm being asked to merge when I try that seems to have nothing
to do with Sandro's commits.  It is deleting one paragraph and adding
another in the threading docs.

Can someone sort this out, please?  It's currently beyond my knowledge
of hg to do so.

--David

From benjamin at python.org  Fri Apr  6 04:58:43 2012
From: benjamin at python.org (Benjamin Peterson)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 22:58:43 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] state of repo?
In-Reply-To: <20120406024437.A2B02250603@webabinitio.net>
References: <20120406024437.A2B02250603@webabinitio.net>
Message-ID: <CAPZV6o-hH4xUw_Uy0W9kWcVanMX50UrtqbK_OSuijAHR28x_cQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/4/5 R. David Murray <rdmurray at bitdance.com>:
> I just tried to merge a change from 3.2 to default and found an unexpected
> file being merged. ?Looking at the graph, it *looks* like Sandro copied a
> change to default instead of merging it, even though his commit comment
> says merge. ?That would be fine, I'd just do a null merge...except that
> the file I'm being asked to merge when I try that seems to have nothing
> to do with Sandro's commits. ?It is deleting one paragraph and adding
> another in the threading docs.

Yes, it seems he didn't actually perform a merge.

>
> Can someone sort this out, please? ?It's currently beyond my knowledge
> of hg to do so.

Fixed.

-- 
Regards,
Benjamin

From g.brandl at gmx.net  Fri Apr  6 09:57:29 2012
From: g.brandl at gmx.net (Georg Brandl)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 09:57:29 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] state of repo?
In-Reply-To: <20120406024437.A2B02250603@webabinitio.net>
References: <20120406024437.A2B02250603@webabinitio.net>
Message-ID: <jlm7ks$bmk$1@dough.gmane.org>

Am 06.04.2012 04:44, schrieb R. David Murray:
> I just tried to merge a change from 3.2 to default and found an unexpected
> file being merged.  Looking at the graph, it *looks* like Sandro copied a
> change to default instead of merging it, even though his commit comment
> says merge.  That would be fine, I'd just do a null merge...except that
> the file I'm being asked to merge when I try that seems to have nothing
> to do with Sandro's commits.  It is deleting one paragraph and adding
> another in the threading docs.
> 
> Can someone sort this out, please?  It's currently beyond my knowledge
> of hg to do so.

Tip: "hg glog" (from the graphlog extension), or any of the GUIs that have
this graph view builtin, is very useful to check the actual state of the
branches.  In this case, as Benjamin noted, it was just a non-merge commit
erroneously given the commit message "merge".

Georg


From sandro.tosi at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 09:57:51 2012
From: sandro.tosi at gmail.com (Sandro Tosi)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:57:51 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] state of repo?
In-Reply-To: <CAPZV6o-hH4xUw_Uy0W9kWcVanMX50UrtqbK_OSuijAHR28x_cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120406024437.A2B02250603@webabinitio.net>
	<CAPZV6o-hH4xUw_Uy0W9kWcVanMX50UrtqbK_OSuijAHR28x_cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB4XWXxp0urZ7Gfard_yhWrisfur=3KEtyC=u5xHZOQkovQZ4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 04:58, Benjamin Peterson <benjamin at python.org> wrote:
> 2012/4/5 R. David Murray <rdmurray at bitdance.com>:
>> I just tried to merge a change from 3.2 to default and found an unexpected
>> file being merged. ?Looking at the graph, it *looks* like Sandro copied a
>> change to default instead of merging it, even though his commit comment
>> says merge. ?That would be fine, I'd just do a null merge...except that
>> the file I'm being asked to merge when I try that seems to have nothing
>> to do with Sandro's commits. ?It is deleting one paragraph and adding
>> another in the threading docs.
>
> Yes, it seems he didn't actually perform a merge.

I'm sorry about that! I thought I had merged and then edited the
paragraph, but I didn't. Lesson learnt: don't commit when you're dead
tired :(

-- 
Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu)
My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi

From rdmurray at bitdance.com  Fri Apr  6 19:25:46 2012
From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:25:46 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] state of repo?
In-Reply-To: <jlm7ks$bmk$1@dough.gmane.org>
References: <20120406024437.A2B02250603@webabinitio.net>
	<jlm7ks$bmk$1@dough.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20120406172528.27DB1250603@webabinitio.net>

On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 09:57:29 +0200, Georg Brandl <g.brandl at gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 06.04.2012 04:44, schrieb R. David Murray:
> > I just tried to merge a change from 3.2 to default and found an unexpected
> > file being merged.  Looking at the graph, it *looks* like Sandro copied a
> > change to default instead of merging it, even though his commit comment
> > says merge.  That would be fine, I'd just do a null merge...except that
> > the file I'm being asked to merge when I try that seems to have nothing
> > to do with Sandro's commits.  It is deleting one paragraph and adding
> > another in the threading docs.
> > 
> > Can someone sort this out, please?  It's currently beyond my knowledge
> > of hg to do so.
> 
> Tip: "hg glog" (from the graphlog extension), or any of the GUIs that have
> this graph view builtin, is very useful to check the actual state of the
> branches.  In this case, as Benjamin noted, it was just a non-merge commit
> erroneously given the commit message "merge".

I did look at 'hg glog', and I did see that (I mentioned the mislabeled
non-merge commit).  But when I looked at the commit that wasn't merged
(via hg diff -c), it was a one-liner that had nothing to do with the merge
'hg merge' was asking me to do.

I'm guessing the latter was coming from some *previous* commit Sandro
did, but as I said I wasn't comfortable with my ability to figure out
what that was and if merging it was in fact the right thing to do.
(It didn't *look* like the right thing to do since it was deleting
a paragraph about a CPython implementation detail.)

So thanks Benjamin for taking care of it.

--David

From kristjan at ccpgames.com  Sun Apr  8 15:19:14 2012
From: kristjan at ccpgames.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kristj=E1n_Valur_J=F3nsson?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:19:14 +0000
Subject: [python-committers] committer icon
Message-ID: <EFE3877620384242A686D52278B7CCD338938D@RKV-IT-EXCH104.ccp.ad.local>

Hey,

I noticed that I don't have that fancy python logo next to my name on the bug tracker, indicating that I am a committer.  Is that fixable?  My user account is "krisvale".



K
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From martin at v.loewis.de  Sun Apr  8 19:14:50 2012
From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:14:50 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] committer icon
In-Reply-To: <EFE3877620384242A686D52278B7CCD338938D@RKV-IT-EXCH104.ccp.ad.local>
References: <EFE3877620384242A686D52278B7CCD338938D@RKV-IT-EXCH104.ccp.ad.local>
Message-ID: <20120408191450.Horde.xXJOFUlCcOxPgceKMEQwQIA@webmail.df.eu>

> I noticed that I don't have that fancy python logo next to my name  
> on the bug tracker, indicating that I am a committer.  Is that  
> fixable?  My user account is "krisvale".

Done!

Martin


From kristjan at ccpgames.com  Wed Apr 11 11:45:40 2012
From: kristjan at ccpgames.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kristj=E1n_Valur_J=F3nsson?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:45:40 +0000
Subject: [python-committers] user link
Message-ID: <EFE3877620384242A686D52278B7CCD338B91B@RKV-IT-EXCH104.ccp.ad.local>

Hi.
who maintains bugs.python.org?
Here's an idea:  How about adding the provision of a per-user information URL for each user, so that they can use it to point to some information about themselves?  Clicking the user name could then take you to that link, for example.

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From ncoghlan at gmail.com  Wed Apr 11 14:51:12 2012
From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:51:12 +1000
Subject: [python-committers] user link
In-Reply-To: <EFE3877620384242A686D52278B7CCD338B91B@RKV-IT-EXCH104.ccp.ad.local>
References: <EFE3877620384242A686D52278B7CCD338B91B@RKV-IT-EXCH104.ccp.ad.local>
Message-ID: <CADiSq7f5fQoqNt_gb1ycLZSns0=q16MbXzW9QzMUGyY0+tfbmg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Kristj?n Valur J?nsson
<kristjan at ccpgames.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> who maintains bugs.python.org?
>
> Here?s an idea:? How about adding the provision of a per-user information
> URL for each user, so that they can use it to point to some information
> about themselves? ?Clicking the user name could then take you to that link,
> for example.

If you hit the "Report Tracker Problem" link in the bottom left of the
tracker UI, it will take you to the meta tracker for bugs.python.org.

While an idea like this may be better pitched as a proposal for
Roundup itself, it's probably still worth posting as a wishlist
suggestion on the meta-tracker. If MvL and the other maintainers would
like to see it happen upstream first, they can say so on the
meta-tracker.

[1] http://roundup-tracker.org/

Cheers,
Nick.

-- 
Nick Coghlan?? |?? ncoghlan at gmail.com?? |?? Brisbane, Australia

From kristjan at ccpgames.com  Wed Apr 11 15:34:44 2012
From: kristjan at ccpgames.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kristj=E1n_Valur_J=F3nsson?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:34:44 +0000
Subject: [python-committers] user link
In-Reply-To: <CADiSq7f5fQoqNt_gb1ycLZSns0=q16MbXzW9QzMUGyY0+tfbmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EFE3877620384242A686D52278B7CCD338B91B@RKV-IT-EXCH104.ccp.ad.local>
	<CADiSq7f5fQoqNt_gb1ycLZSns0=q16MbXzW9QzMUGyY0+tfbmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFE3877620384242A686D52278B7CCD338C0C4@RKV-IT-EXCH104.ccp.ad.local>

Thanks Nick.
Of course, the trackers is a complete meta-project unto itself.  ?Tis said that fleas have little fleas... 
K

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Coghlan [mailto:ncoghlan at gmail.com]
> Sent: 11. apr?l 2012 12:51
> To: Kristj?n Valur J?nsson
> Cc: python-committers at python.org
> Subject: Re: [python-committers] user link
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Kristj?n Valur J?nsson
> <kristjan at ccpgames.com> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > who maintains bugs.python.org?
> >
> > Here's an idea:? How about adding the provision of a per-user
> > information URL for each user, so that they can use it to point to
> > some information about themselves? ?Clicking the user name could then
> > take you to that link, for example.
> 
> If you hit the "Report Tracker Problem" link in the bottom left of the tracker
> UI, it will take you to the meta tracker for bugs.python.org.
> 
> While an idea like this may be better pitched as a proposal for Roundup itself,
> it's probably still worth posting as a wishlist suggestion on the meta-tracker. If
> MvL and the other maintainers would like to see it happen upstream first,
> they can say so on the meta-tracker.
> 
> [1] http://roundup-tracker.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> --
> Nick Coghlan?? |?? ncoghlan at gmail.com?? |?? Brisbane, Australia



From patcam at python.org  Wed Apr 11 16:52:00 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:52:00 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] contributor form
In-Reply-To: <4F83E1A6.1010201@behnel.de>
References: <OF0B2EDF29.D40CD75A-ONC12579DC.002843CC-C12579DC.00284FB1@pfandbriefbank.com>
	<4F83E1A6.1010201@behnel.de>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+5+8BcpGjQ=DnJkC1E3ENrm3ETuj89Scd0wGshHe+nEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stefan:

Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement. It has been recorded
on the
bug tracker online.

Pat

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml at behnel.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> here's my signed contributor agreement.
>
> Regards,
>
> Stefan
>
>


-- 
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PSF Administrator/Secretary
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From patcam at python.org  Wed Apr 11 17:04:45 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:04:45 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contributor form for mattip
In-Reply-To: <4F859741.4030106@gmail.com>
References: <4F833F7C.60508@gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4dJVAyt+5Pikipuq7Ly_pAFHhOoXDjntFCsLCupWrdS8vA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4dKwsP+Vf62oE9_4C_+x4AMSm7db+nnndgD5146LjO58Pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F859741.4030106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dJFDxaByKn6b7UO2t2cP8KG7AKrrwtmYdR7RHqPrrJcwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Matti:

This is great! Your online record has been updated.

Thanks,
Pat

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Matti Picus <matti.picus at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Here I am:
> http://bugs.python.org/user15782
> Or do I need to register somewhere else? kinda new to all this...
>
>
>
> On 11/04/2012 5:35 PM, Pat Campbell wrote:
>
> Hi Matti:
>
> I was not able to update the online PSF bug tracker with the username
> "mattip".
> So, could you recheck your tracker username and resend it to me?
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
>  On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Matti:
>>
>> Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement form. It will be added
>> to the online bug tracker.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Matti Picus <matti.picus at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pat Campbell
>> PSF Administrator/Secretary
>> patcam at python.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
>
>
>


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From patcam at python.org  Wed Apr 18 00:58:40 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:58:40 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] PSF Contributor Agreement
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4dKxMVhUEXZA-YYh046Yz-b05Ui=zBEqUfMpQf13Pk9Nkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFiRLmm4AEfo3zYc2g-bnQq1Yf7G4F7C3U6VS-gE5k-V02EOPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4dKxMVhUEXZA-YYh046Yz-b05Ui=zBEqUfMpQf13Pk9Nkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+-92G+8Sn_Q2EvP1sP5pCWFL2H4PwusdaN5ZZ-Cfx3AA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Pat Campbell <patcam at python.org> wrote:

> Hi Darjus:
>
> Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement. It has been added to
> the PSF bug tracker online.
>
> Pat
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Darjus Loktevic <darjus at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks!
>> Darjus
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Pat Campbell
> PSF Administrator/Secretary
> patcam at python.org
>



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From patcam at python.org  Wed Apr 18 12:15:32 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:15:32 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] PSF form attached <eom>
In-Reply-To: <CADrh4zLWcuexnwnEe6xn3xE4yNoJ1Cx79YoLPzTsPG5Jya=pAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjPmS1ESe7pi8mPt6CCybJSDRV07Kj2u8Z+gdNY-3O34-mKRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADrh4zLWcuexnwnEe6xn3xE4yNoJ1Cx79YoLPzTsPG5Jya=pAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dLHCgX+yyiRerb0Wf5Ep2bVxeiVsyZLtz=rLfNHXr5QCA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Frank & Miki:

Thank-you for submitting the contributor agreement form. It has been
entered on
the PSF bug tracker online.

Pat

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:29 PM, fwierzbicki at gmail.com <
fwierzbicki at gmail.com> wrote:

> Attached is the contributor form from Miki Tebeka.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> -Frank
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Miki Tebeka <miki.tebeka at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM
> Subject: PSF form attached <eom>
> To: Frank Wierzbicki <fwierzbicki at gmail.com>
>



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From patcam at python.org  Wed Apr 18 17:01:54 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:01:54 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] PSF form attached <eom>
In-Reply-To: <CACjPmS0gh=MOmdjoC20oXcDW9Ty7Zw8DdzdWxrt3eE_5kTQL5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Okay!

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Miki Tebeka <miki.tebeka at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Thank-you for submitting the contributor agreement form. It has been
> entered
> > on
> > the PSF bug tracker online.
> Thanks!
>



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From martin at v.loewis.de  Sun Apr 22 19:26:02 2012
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:26:02 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] Contrib forms
Message-ID: <4F943F2A.6060709@v.loewis.de>

As some may have been noticed, I started urging contributors more
intensely to submit contributor forms before accepting their patches.
I encourage all committers to do the same, for non-trivial changes.

You may wonder what changed between before and now: we (the PSF) now
have a good management of the forms, thanks to them being listed in
Roundup, and thanks to Pat (Campbell) keeping track of all forms that
we receive. So we (the committers) are now in a position to actually
verify that we have a contrib form received before deciding whether or
not to commit a patch.

Regards,
Martin

From solipsis at pitrou.net  Sun Apr 22 19:33:13 2012
From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:33:13 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] Contrib forms
In-Reply-To: <4F943F2A.6060709@v.loewis.de>
References: <4F943F2A.6060709@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <1335115993.3467.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Le dimanche 22 avril 2012 ? 19:26 +0200, "Martin v. L?wis" a ?crit :
> You may wonder what changed between before and now: we (the PSF) now
> have a good management of the forms, thanks to them being listed in
> Roundup, and thanks to Pat (Campbell) keeping track of all forms that
> we receive. So we (the committers) are now in a position to actually
> verify that we have a contrib form received before deciding whether or
> not to commit a patch.

How about an electronic form? It's not like it's the first time this
topic is discussed...

Thanks

Antoine.



From pjenvey at underboss.org  Sun Apr 22 22:52:41 2012
From: pjenvey at underboss.org (Philip Jenvey)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:52:41 -0700
Subject: [python-committers] Contrib forms
In-Reply-To: <4F943F2A.6060709@v.loewis.de>
References: <4F943F2A.6060709@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <D61F3239-3651-4AE8-86B7-E2CB7792DC25@underboss.org>


On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:
> 
> You may wonder what changed between before and now: we (the PSF) now
> have a good management of the forms, thanks to them being listed in
> Roundup,

Where exactly is this listing?

--
Philip Jenvey


From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Apr 23 00:14:58 2012
From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:14:58 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] Contrib forms
In-Reply-To: <D61F3239-3651-4AE8-86B7-E2CB7792DC25@underboss.org>
References: <4F943F2A.6060709@v.loewis.de>
	<D61F3239-3651-4AE8-86B7-E2CB7792DC25@underboss.org>
Message-ID: <20120423001458.Horde.y5xEd7uWis5PlILiRg9j39A@webmail.df.eu>


Zitat von Philip Jenvey <pjenvey at underboss.org>:

> On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:
>>
>> You may wonder what changed between before and now: we (the PSF) now
>> have a good management of the forms, thanks to them being listed in
>> Roundup,
>
> Where exactly is this listing?

It the asterisk ('*') shown next to the user's name, with the
title text "Contributor form received".

Regards,
Martin



From kbk at shore.net  Mon Apr 23 00:30:56 2012
From: kbk at shore.net (Kurt B. Kaiser)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:30:56 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contributor agreement - Received at PyCon
	2012 USA
In-Reply-To: <CAFy_4d+uZPiipcZr6bAO_EWCQhbcRvjWQCt+1DLFTsij9kvL2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL3CFcVwwnQa6DYp0gTAdiwq2rTgXHJS=ct+N6N2=jawQq2vig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4d+_X4H-dRxYcqiriypxG+DAf8kdXeUMnEER0hMu=0PFvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL3CFcURgJeu-9WUxBjPVf5hRLfbhNp+qaKhRv=APRXT3RW28Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4dJY5SW5YC8O4tKEnZe_99rbT-me2KfhCBjwaGM6V4p1MQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120329233521.Horde._X3yKVNNcXdPdNWZr8whJmA@webmail.df.eu>
	<CAFy_4d+uZPiipcZr6bAO_EWCQhbcRvjWQCt+1DLFTsij9kvL2A@mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:35 PM, <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
> >
> > I gave a bunch of them (including Andrew's) to Kurt Kaiser.

We received contributor agreements at PyCon from the following:

Shashank Bharadwaj
Mark Florisson
Brian K. Jones
Jeff Ramnani
Andrew Svetlov

I am mailing them to our Administrator tomorrow.

-- 
KBK

From greg at krypto.org  Mon Apr 23 20:20:38 2012
From: greg at krypto.org (Gregory P. Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:20:38 -0700
Subject: [python-committers] fyi - openssl vulnerability - likely in our
	windows builds
Message-ID: <CAGE7PN+g32KGE1D8M=T734uXpr+emN62Ar+KXcAZMH27cFLn+w@mail.gmail.com>

FYI - there is a network exploitable vulnerability in OpenSSL -
http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2012-2110

Our windows builds likely need updating.  At the very least make sure
openssl is updated before the next time we produce binaries. Its up to the
release managers if they want to make a new windows only sub-release to
include the updated version of openssl.

-gps
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From amauryfa at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 22:52:12 2012
From: amauryfa at gmail.com (Amaury Forgeot d'Arc)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:52:12 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] fyi - openssl vulnerability - likely in our
 windows builds
In-Reply-To: <CAGE7PN+g32KGE1D8M=T734uXpr+emN62Ar+KXcAZMH27cFLn+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGE7PN+g32KGE1D8M=T734uXpr+emN62Ar+KXcAZMH27cFLn+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGmFidZpz=7sj-KpJ0Z19kzoG64w=ykK5veEWEWFzc8_STX2AQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/4/23 Gregory P. Smith <greg at krypto.org>

> FYI - there is a network exploitable vulnerability in OpenSSL -
> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2012-2110
>
> Our windows builds likely need updating.  At the very least make sure
> openssl is updated before the next time we produce binaries. Its up to the
> release managers if they want to make a new windows only sub-release to
> include the updated version of openssl.
>

The OpenSSL Security Advisory says:
http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20120419.txt
"""
Affected functions are of the form d2i_*_bio or
d2i_*_fp, for example d2i_X509_bio or d2i_PKCS12_fp.
"""

I don't see any occurrence of these functions in the various versions of
the _ssl module.
Is Python really affected by this vulnerability?

-- 
Amaury Forgeot d'Arc
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From martin at v.loewis.de  Mon Apr 23 23:42:11 2012
From: martin at v.loewis.de (martin at v.loewis.de)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:42:11 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] fyi - openssl vulnerability - likely in our
 windows builds
In-Reply-To: <CAGmFidZpz=7sj-KpJ0Z19kzoG64w=ykK5veEWEWFzc8_STX2AQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGE7PN+g32KGE1D8M=T734uXpr+emN62Ar+KXcAZMH27cFLn+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGmFidZpz=7sj-KpJ0Z19kzoG64w=ykK5veEWEWFzc8_STX2AQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120423234211.Horde.t-SocaGZi1VPlcyzmVNG_kA@webmail.df.eu>

> I don't see any occurrence of these functions in the various versions of
> the _ssl module.
> Is Python really affected by this vulnerability?

We use SSL_CTX_use_certificate_chain_file, which ultimately uses
d2i_X509_AUX_fp (I think).

However, I fail to see how this constitutes are remote vulnerability:
one would have to inject a bad PEM file into an application to trigger
this.

http://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=13018

claims that this is *not* exploitable over TLS (and I agree); they
warn that it can be exploited e.g. when Apache reads server certificates
from untrusted users. Even in the local case, you need a Python application
running under one account that reads certificate files belonging to
a different (Unix) account to create an exploit.

So I propose that for the regular bugfix releases, we upgrade the OpenSSL
version, but otherwise take no action at this point.

Regards,
Martin


From solipsis at pitrou.net  Mon Apr 23 23:48:32 2012
From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:48:32 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] fyi - openssl vulnerability - likely in our
 windows builds
In-Reply-To: <20120423234211.Horde.t-SocaGZi1VPlcyzmVNG_kA@webmail.df.eu>
References: <CAGE7PN+g32KGE1D8M=T734uXpr+emN62Ar+KXcAZMH27cFLn+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGmFidZpz=7sj-KpJ0Z19kzoG64w=ykK5veEWEWFzc8_STX2AQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120423234211.Horde.t-SocaGZi1VPlcyzmVNG_kA@webmail.df.eu>
Message-ID: <1335217712.3411.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Le lundi 23 avril 2012 ? 23:42 +0200, martin at v.loewis.de a ?crit :
> > I don't see any occurrence of these functions in the various versions of
> > the _ssl module.
> > Is Python really affected by this vulnerability?
> 
> We use SSL_CTX_use_certificate_chain_file, which ultimately uses
> d2i_X509_AUX_fp (I think).
> 
> However, I fail to see how this constitutes are remote vulnerability:
> one would have to inject a bad PEM file into an application to trigger
> this.
> 
> http://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=13018
> 
> claims that this is *not* exploitable over TLS (and I agree); they
> warn that it can be exploited e.g. when Apache reads server certificates
> from untrusted users. Even in the local case, you need a Python application
> running under one account that reads certificate files belonging to
> a different (Unix) account to create an exploit.
> 
> So I propose that for the regular bugfix releases, we upgrade the OpenSSL
> version, but otherwise take no action at this point.

Agreed.

Regards

Antoine.



From steve at holdenweb.com  Mon Apr 23 23:57:11 2012
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:57:11 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] fyi - openssl vulnerability - likely in our
	windows builds
In-Reply-To: <1335217712.3411.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <CAGE7PN+g32KGE1D8M=T734uXpr+emN62Ar+KXcAZMH27cFLn+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGmFidZpz=7sj-KpJ0Z19kzoG64w=ykK5veEWEWFzc8_STX2AQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120423234211.Horde.t-SocaGZi1VPlcyzmVNG_kA@webmail.df.eu>
	<1335217712.3411.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CFC619F0-618D-40BB-8930-00CDEB47B88E@holdenweb.com>

On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:

>> [mvl]
>> So I propose that for the regular bugfix releases, we upgrade the OpenSSL
>> version, but otherwise take no action at this point.
> 
> Agreed.


With two such august opinions I, at least, feel confident we are unlikely to have to scramble to remove a dangerous vulnerability.

Do we need to address this publicly? If nobody is asking any questions then remaining silent and implementing Martin's suggestion seems like the best option.

S
-- 
Steve Holden steve at holdenweb.com,  Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/



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From greg at krypto.org  Tue Apr 24 00:47:07 2012
From: greg at krypto.org (Gregory P. Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:47:07 -0700
Subject: [python-committers] fyi - openssl vulnerability - likely in our
 windows builds
In-Reply-To: <20120423234211.Horde.t-SocaGZi1VPlcyzmVNG_kA@webmail.df.eu>
References: <CAGE7PN+g32KGE1D8M=T734uXpr+emN62Ar+KXcAZMH27cFLn+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGmFidZpz=7sj-KpJ0Z19kzoG64w=ykK5veEWEWFzc8_STX2AQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120423234211.Horde.t-SocaGZi1VPlcyzmVNG_kA@webmail.df.eu>
Message-ID: <CAGE7PN+EnmroT3fECNJSbxipuCrLQxTR9WCn95fmHB60NkLK0Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:42 PM, <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:

>  I don't see any occurrence of these functions in the various versions of
>> the _ssl module.
>> Is Python really affected by this vulnerability?
>>
>
> We use SSL_CTX_use_certificate_chain_**file, which ultimately uses
> d2i_X509_AUX_fp (I think).
>
> However, I fail to see how this constitutes are remote vulnerability:
> one would have to inject a bad PEM file into an application to trigger
> this.
>
> http://isc.sans.edu/diary.**html?storyid=13018<http://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=13018>
>
> claims that this is *not* exploitable over TLS (and I agree); they
> warn that it can be exploited e.g. when Apache reads server certificates
> from untrusted users. Even in the local case, you need a Python application
> running under one account that reads certificate files belonging to
> a different (Unix) account to create an exploit.
>
> So I propose that for the regular bugfix releases, we upgrade the OpenSSL
> version, but otherwise take no action at this point.
>

give that, agreed.
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From neologix at free.fr  Wed Apr 25 20:57:58 2012
From: neologix at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Charles=2DFran=E7ois_Natali?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:57:58 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] commit rights for Richard Oudkerk (sbt)
Message-ID: <CAH_1eM0Cb+bha5fc2PqG_x-soX3FXpydE3wOovS4auLKSH4-xQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Richard (sbt) has been contributing for quite some time now, as can be
seen from (part of) its contributions below:

"""
- Issue #4892: multiprocessing Connections can now be transferred over
  multiprocessing Connections.  Patch by Richard Oudkerk (sbt).

- Issue #11750: The Windows API functions scattered in the _subprocess and
  _multiprocessing.win32 modules now live in a single module "_winapi".
  Patch by sbt.

- Issue #14087: multiprocessing: add Condition.wait_for(). Patch by sbt.

- Issue #14522: Avoid duplicating socket handles in multiprocessing.connection.
  Patch by sbt.

- Issue #14300: Under Windows, sockets created using socket.dup() now allow
  overlapped I/O.  Patch by sbt.

- Issue #14335: multiprocessing's custom Pickler subclass now inherits from
  the C-accelerated implementation.  Patch by sbt.

- Issue #12328: Fix multiprocessing's use of overlapped I/O on Windows.
  Also, add a multiprocessing.connection.wait(rlist, timeout=None) function
  for polling multiple objects at once.  Patch by sbt.

- Issue #13322: Fix BufferedWriter.write() to ensure that BlockingIOError is
  raised when the wrapped raw file is non-blocking and the write would block.
  Previous code assumed that the raw write() would raise BlockingIOError, but
  RawIOBase.write() is defined to returned None when the call would block.
  Patch by sbt.
"""

He writes good code, has good ideas, is reactive to comments and
reviews, and he's actually the original multiprocessing author (and
he's one of the few contributors competent under both Unix and
Windows).

Therefore, I think it would definitely make sense to give him commit rights.

What do you think?

Cheers,

cf

From jnoller at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 21:08:25 2012
From: jnoller at gmail.com (Jesse Noller)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:08:25 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] commit rights for Richard Oudkerk (sbt)
In-Reply-To: <CAH_1eM0Cb+bha5fc2PqG_x-soX3FXpydE3wOovS4auLKSH4-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH_1eM0Cb+bha5fc2PqG_x-soX3FXpydE3wOovS4auLKSH4-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A71D3E7D12964DF0B9883FD087574488@gmail.com>

On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Charles-Fran?ois Natali wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> Richard (sbt) has been contributing for quite some time now, as can be
> seen from (part of) its contributions below:
>  
>  
[snip]
>  
> He writes good code, has good ideas, is reactive to comments and
> reviews, and he's actually the original multiprocessing author (and
> he's one of the few contributors competent under both Unix and
> Windows).
>  
> Therefore, I think it would definitely make sense to give him commit rights.
>  
> What do you think?
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> cf

Uh, Wow. Yes. He should have commit rights - he was granted them when the multiprocessing pep was approved, but then vanished for several years (myself and others tried getting a hold of him). Lack of any contributor agreement or response from him is actually why the header files for multiprocessing including the specific license due to lack of contributor agreement from him.

He should have commit rights: In fact I'd love to talk to him offline about where he went off to! I assumed he was gone-gone!

Jesse  



From solipsis at pitrou.net  Wed Apr 25 21:12:35 2012
From: solipsis at pitrou.net (Antoine Pitrou)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:12:35 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] commit rights for Richard Oudkerk (sbt)
In-Reply-To: <A71D3E7D12964DF0B9883FD087574488@gmail.com>
References: <CAH_1eM0Cb+bha5fc2PqG_x-soX3FXpydE3wOovS4auLKSH4-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A71D3E7D12964DF0B9883FD087574488@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1335381155.3465.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Le mercredi 25 avril 2012 ? 15:08 -0400, Jesse Noller a ?crit :
> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Charles-Fran?ois Natali wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  
> > Richard (sbt) has been contributing for quite some time now, as can be
> > seen from (part of) its contributions below:
> >  
> >  
> [snip]
> >  
> > He writes good code, has good ideas, is reactive to comments and
> > reviews, and he's actually the original multiprocessing author (and
> > he's one of the few contributors competent under both Unix and
> > Windows).
> >  
> > Therefore, I think it would definitely make sense to give him commit rights.
> >  
> > What do you think?
> >  
> > Cheers,
> >  
> > cf
> 
> Uh, Wow. Yes. He should have commit rights - he was granted them when
> the multiprocessing pep was approved, but then vanished for several
> years (myself and others tried getting a hold of him).

Actually, I don't see his name in the SSH keys history, so apparently he
wasn't given commit rights at the time.

> He should have commit rights: In fact I'd love to talk to him offline
> about where he went off to! I assumed he was gone-gone!

Agreed with Jesse and Charles-Fran?ois.

Regards

Antoine.



From kbk at shore.net  Wed Apr 25 21:14:45 2012
From: kbk at shore.net (Kurt B. Kaiser)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:14:45 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] commit rights for Richard Oudkerk (sbt)
In-Reply-To: <A71D3E7D12964DF0B9883FD087574488@gmail.com>
References: <CAH_1eM0Cb+bha5fc2PqG_x-soX3FXpydE3wOovS4auLKSH4-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A71D3E7D12964DF0B9883FD087574488@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1335381285.21290.140661067317901.23707019@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012, at 03:08 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Charles-Fran?ois Natali wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  
> > Richard (sbt) has been contributing for quite some time now, as can be
> > seen from (part of) its contributions below:
> >  
> >  
> [snip]
> >  
> > He writes good code, has good ideas, is reactive to comments and
> > reviews, and he's actually the original multiprocessing author (and
> > he's one of the few contributors competent under both Unix and
> > Windows).
> >  
> > Therefore, I think it would definitely make sense to give him commit rights.
> >  
> > What do you think?
> >  
> > Cheers,
> >  
> > cf
> 
> Uh, Wow. Yes. He should have commit rights - he was granted them when the
> multiprocessing pep was approved, but then vanished for several years
> (myself and others tried getting a hold of him). Lack of any contributor
> agreement or response from him is actually why the header files for
> multiprocessing including the specific license due to lack of contributor
> agreement from him.
> 
> He should have commit rights: In fact I'd love to talk to him offline
> about where he went off to! I assumed he was gone-gone!
> 
> Jesse  

Guido mentioned him at the 2011 Language Summit as a vanished
contributor that we'd really like to get an agreement from.

+1

-- 
KBK

From jnoller at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 21:15:55 2012
From: jnoller at gmail.com (Jesse Noller)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:15:55 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] commit rights for Richard Oudkerk (sbt)
In-Reply-To: <1335381155.3465.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <CAH_1eM0Cb+bha5fc2PqG_x-soX3FXpydE3wOovS4auLKSH4-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A71D3E7D12964DF0B9883FD087574488@gmail.com>
	<1335381155.3465.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6B9EF0AC926E47F782AD75686FFF7445@gmail.com>

> > 
> > 
> > Uh, Wow. Yes. He should have commit rights - he was granted them when
> > the multiprocessing pep was approved, but then vanished for several
> > years (myself and others tried getting a hold of him).
> 
> 
> 
> Actually, I don't see his name in the SSH keys history, so apparently he
> wasn't given commit rights at the time.
> 
You wouldn't; he "disappeared" before that happened. I am *really* happy to see him alive and active!



From jnoller at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 21:20:46 2012
From: jnoller at gmail.com (Jesse Noller)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:20:46 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] commit rights for Richard Oudkerk (sbt)
In-Reply-To: <1335381285.21290.140661067317901.23707019@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <CAH_1eM0Cb+bha5fc2PqG_x-soX3FXpydE3wOovS4auLKSH4-xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A71D3E7D12964DF0B9883FD087574488@gmail.com>
	<1335381285.21290.140661067317901.23707019@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <50D77F6739E8419590614E4ADBE0C2DE@gmail.com>

> 
> Guido mentioned him at the 2011 Language Summit as a vanished
> contributor that we'd really like to get an agreement from.
> 
> +1
> 
> -- 
> KBK

Interesting note: We supposedly have a contributor agreement on file for him now: 

Contributor Form Received Yes on: 2012-02-26.05:00:00

I'll follow up offline to confirm

jesse

From patcam at python.org  Wed Apr 25 22:06:12 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:06:12 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Confirm a contributor agreement
In-Reply-To: <E3A46CAC59FA4F578AB3E20461357978@gmail.com>
References: <E3A46CAC59FA4F578AB3E20461357978@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKzpUx-j-3Z=2zvSNESRyZG-Dewi079gN+qrk_uGm3xAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jesse:

Yes, I can confirm this. And, a good indication of it/documented on  or
can be found on the bug tracker. If the item: Contributor Form Received
is marked (Yes) then chances are very high that I have already taken care
of the contributor form.

I look over more and more contributor forms in any given week because
now they are sent via fax, US mail, email, etc. So, the information that you
provided helped me to get to the information more quickly.

I hope you got what you needed.

Thanks,
Pat


On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Jesse Noller <jnoller at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you please confirm we have a contributor agreement on file for:
>
> Name: Richard Oudkerk
> Tracker name: sbt
> Contributor Form Received Yes on: 2012-02-26.05:00:00
>
>
>
>
>


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From ncoghlan at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 03:55:29 2012
From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:55:29 +1000
Subject: [python-committers] List Linux distribution maintainers to help
	with bug triaging?
Message-ID: <CADiSq7c04RdC5ZuGy3uqtO45QYrmu+N9GsG4VYYZgB8u-=sBVg@mail.gmail.com>

While helping to diagnose what appears to be a Fedora/RHEL specific
problem with distutils, it occurred to me that it may be useful for
triaging that kind of distribution specific problem if distro package
maintainers (or at least points of contact) were listed in the experts
file in the devguide: http://docs.python.org/devguide/experts

What do people think of the idea of adding specific distros (e.g.
"Linux (Fedora/RHEL)", "Linux (Ubuntu)") to the "Platforms" table for
cases related to building and packaging where it may not be clear if
the problem lies within CPython or within the distro?

Cheers,
Nick.

-- 
Nick Coghlan?? |?? ncoghlan at gmail.com?? |?? Brisbane, Australia

From dmalcolm at redhat.com  Thu Apr 26 05:06:20 2012
From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:06:20 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] List Linux distribution maintainers to help
 with bug triaging?
In-Reply-To: <CADiSq7c04RdC5ZuGy3uqtO45QYrmu+N9GsG4VYYZgB8u-=sBVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADiSq7c04RdC5ZuGy3uqtO45QYrmu+N9GsG4VYYZgB8u-=sBVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1335409581.13398.31.camel@surprise>

On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 11:55 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> While helping to diagnose what appears to be a Fedora/RHEL specific
> problem with distutils, it occurred to me that it may be useful for
> triaging that kind of distribution specific problem if distro package
> maintainers (or at least points of contact) were listed in the experts
> file in the devguide: http://docs.python.org/devguide/experts
> 
> What do people think of the idea of adding specific distros (e.g.
> "Linux (Fedora/RHEL)", "Linux (Ubuntu)") to the "Platforms" table for
> cases related to building and packaging where it may not be clear if
> the problem lies within CPython or within the distro?

Feel free to add me for "Linux (Fedora/RHEL)".


From rosslagerwall at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 06:09:40 2012
From: rosslagerwall at gmail.com (Ross Lagerwall)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:09:40 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] List Linux distribution maintainers to help
 with bug triaging?
In-Reply-To: <CADiSq7c04RdC5ZuGy3uqtO45QYrmu+N9GsG4VYYZgB8u-=sBVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADiSq7c04RdC5ZuGy3uqtO45QYrmu+N9GsG4VYYZgB8u-=sBVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F98CA84.3050306@gmail.com>

On 04/26/2012 03:55 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> What do people think of the idea of adding specific distros (e.g.
> "Linux (Fedora/RHEL)", "Linux (Ubuntu)") to the "Platforms" table for
> cases related to building and packaging where it may not be clear if
> the problem lies within CPython or within the distro?

Definitely a good idea. How about even putting a link to the upstream
packaging repository (if available) like:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=python.git

so others can easily inspect what patches the distro is using.

Regards
-- 
Ross Lagerwall

From rosslagerwall at gmail.com  Thu Apr 26 07:18:35 2012
From: rosslagerwall at gmail.com (Ross Lagerwall)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:18:35 +0200
Subject: [python-committers] List Linux distribution maintainers to help
 with bug triaging?
In-Reply-To: <4F98CA84.3050306@gmail.com>
References: <CADiSq7c04RdC5ZuGy3uqtO45QYrmu+N9GsG4VYYZgB8u-=sBVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F98CA84.3050306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F98DAAB.9080908@gmail.com>

On 26/04/2012 06:09, Ross Lagerwall wrote:
> On 04/26/2012 03:55 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> What do people think of the idea of adding specific distros (e.g.
>> "Linux (Fedora/RHEL)", "Linux (Ubuntu)") to the "Platforms" table for
>> cases related to building and packaging where it may not be clear if
>> the problem lies within CPython or within the distro?
>
> Definitely a good idea. How about even putting a link to the upstream
> packaging repository (if available) like:
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=python.git
>
> so others can easily inspect what patches the distro is using.
>

That's probably not the right place to put the link. Hmm, maybe there 
should be a page on the wiki with information about the state of python 
in the various linux distributions. E.g. what version is in each distro 
version, the maintainer, a link to the downstream repo/patches, etc.

Regards
-- 
Ross Lagerwall

From rdmurray at bitdance.com  Thu Apr 26 15:38:36 2012
From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:38:36 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contrib forms
In-Reply-To: <20120423001458.Horde.y5xEd7uWis5PlILiRg9j39A@webmail.df.eu>
References: <4F943F2A.6060709@v.loewis.de>
	<D61F3239-3651-4AE8-86B7-E2CB7792DC25@underboss.org>
	<20120423001458.Horde.y5xEd7uWis5PlILiRg9j39A@webmail.df.eu>
Message-ID: <20120426133836.EF8FD250631@webabinitio.net>

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:14:58 +0200, martin at v.loewis.de wrote:
> 
> Zitat von Philip Jenvey <pjenvey at underboss.org>:
> 
> > On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Martin v. L??wis wrote:
> >>
> >> You may wonder what changed between before and now: we (the PSF) now
> >> have a good management of the forms, thanks to them being listed in
> >> Roundup,
> >
> > Where exactly is this listing?
> 
> It the asterisk ('*') shown next to the user's name, with the
> title text "Contributor form received".

I've been acting similar to Martin, for the same reason.  It is now
*really* easy to be considering a patch, see that the contributor you
are having the discussion with doesn't have a * next to their name, and
request that they submit a contributor agreement if they haven't already.

Pat updates the tracker promptly, and forms can be sent electronically
(jpg image of signed form, pdf scan, etc), so the turnaround is now
very quick, and you can pretty much(*) rely on the tracker status.
That being the case I suppose it is now time for me to move to the next
step and not apply (non-trivial) patches until the * appears.

--David

It is probably still the case that there are some long time contributors
who do not have a * because their form submission predated Pat's
management of the tracker status.  For these we can either try to have
Pat confirm the status against the paper files or, what is probably
simpler, just have them send in a new form (which is less of a burden
now that it can be done by email).

From steve at holdenweb.com  Thu Apr 26 16:18:21 2012
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:18:21 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contrib forms
In-Reply-To: <20120426133836.EF8FD250631@webabinitio.net>
References: <4F943F2A.6060709@v.loewis.de>
	<D61F3239-3651-4AE8-86B7-E2CB7792DC25@underboss.org>
	<20120423001458.Horde.y5xEd7uWis5PlILiRg9j39A@webmail.df.eu>
	<20120426133836.EF8FD250631@webabinitio.net>
Message-ID: <855E016F-FB88-4756-BF79-CB06C869822F@holdenweb.com>

Thanks, David. It's nice to see that the PSF does sometimes manage to make things easier for the devs - without you the whole exercise would be pretty pointless!

S

On Apr 26, 2012, at 9:38 AM, R. David Murray wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:14:58 +0200, martin at v.loewis.de wrote:
>> 
>> Zitat von Philip Jenvey <pjenvey at underboss.org>:
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Martin v. L?wis wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You may wonder what changed between before and now: we (the PSF) now
>>>> have a good management of the forms, thanks to them being listed in
>>>> Roundup,
>>> 
>>> Where exactly is this listing?
>> 
>> It the asterisk ('*') shown next to the user's name, with the
>> title text "Contributor form received".
> 
> I've been acting similar to Martin, for the same reason.  It is now
> *really* easy to be considering a patch, see that the contributor you
> are having the discussion with doesn't have a * next to their name, and
> request that they submit a contributor agreement if they haven't already.
> 
> Pat updates the tracker promptly, and forms can be sent electronically
> (jpg image of signed form, pdf scan, etc), so the turnaround is now
> very quick, and you can pretty much(*) rely on the tracker status.
> That being the case I suppose it is now time for me to move to the next
> step and not apply (non-trivial) patches until the * appears.
> 
> --David
> 
> It is probably still the case that there are some long time contributors
> who do not have a * because their form submission predated Pat's
> management of the tracker status.  For these we can either try to have
> Pat confirm the status against the paper files or, what is probably
> simpler, just have them send in a new form (which is less of a burden
> now that it can be done by email).
> _______________________________________________
> python-committers mailing list
> python-committers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers

-- 
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Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/




From barry at python.org  Thu Apr 26 17:15:47 2012
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:15:47 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] List Linux distribution maintainers to help
 with bug triaging?
In-Reply-To: <CADiSq7c04RdC5ZuGy3uqtO45QYrmu+N9GsG4VYYZgB8u-=sBVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADiSq7c04RdC5ZuGy3uqtO45QYrmu+N9GsG4VYYZgB8u-=sBVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120426111547.6d774244@limelight.wooz.org>

On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:

>What do people think of the idea of adding specific distros (e.g.
>"Linux (Fedora/RHEL)", "Linux (Ubuntu)") to the "Platforms" table for
>cases related to building and packaging where it may not be clear if
>the problem lies within CPython or within the distro?

+1 and you can certainly put me down for Ubuntu/Debian.

-Barry

From patcam at python.org  Fri Apr 27 17:43:03 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:43:03 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contributor's agreement...
In-Reply-To: <CA+j1x0mqUj4puWBv2mP_CK2GnYB1d=wOwS4g29dihgEM+G9r3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+j1x0mqUj4puWBv2mP_CK2GnYB1d=wOwS4g29dihgEM+G9r3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKxCo2MxG15SihzxRZ2WExvGC_YfzV9mi8sY51Ow4MDog@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stefan:

Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement to the PSF. I would
like to add
your contributor form to the online bug tracker, however, you did not
provide me with
a username.

Therefore, I will not be able to access, view, update, or make any changes
to your
online records until you provide me with you username.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,
Pat

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 3:51 PM, stefan brunthaler <s.brunthaler at uci.edu>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> as suggested by Dr. von Loewis on the python-dev mailing list, I
> attach the signed and scanned copy of hte Contributor Agreement. In
> case the writing on the address is not legibile, it is meant to say
> "404 Stanford Ct."
>
> I hope that takes care of the formalities, have a nice day,
> --stefan brunthaler
>



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From patcam at python.org  Fri Apr 27 17:58:12 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:58:12 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] PSF Contributor Agreement - Serhiy Storchaka
In-Reply-To: <1335535946.2572.2.camel@raxxla>
References: <1335535946.2572.2.camel@raxxla>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dJTcWP9kW_CsaewF29Ee_rA-61vsX9MK_iRMrmjxM8jtw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Serhiy:

Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement form. It has been added
to the
PSF online bug tracker.

Pat

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>


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From patcam at python.org  Fri Apr 27 18:38:43 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:38:43 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contributor's agreement...
In-Reply-To: <CA+j1x0nOhw4-aOS=3q-dZ5hpcTfAxjUTCZ-X1p25AjsO4RYW-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+j1x0mqUj4puWBv2mP_CK2GnYB1d=wOwS4g29dihgEM+G9r3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4dKxCo2MxG15SihzxRZ2WExvGC_YfzV9mi8sY51Ow4MDog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+j1x0nOhw4-aOS=3q-dZ5hpcTfAxjUTCZ-X1p25AjsO4RYW-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dKXDYeKtFnyUnmHk5N3PFE3PnVsDuSE37uRfN_Cbort=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stefan:

I should have mentioned that you must create a profile first,
here: http://bugs.python.org/user

Your "username" should be included in the creation of your profile on
the PSF bug tracker. So, if you need help with this, maybe Martin or
one of the committers will help explain to you how this system works.

I hope that helped.

Thanks,
Pat


On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:10 PM, stefan brunthaler <s.brunthaler at uci.edu>wrote:

> Hi Pat,
>
> > Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement to the PSF. I would
> like
> > to add
> > your contributor form to the online bug tracker, however, you did not
> > provide me with
> > a username.
> >
> > Therefore, I will not be able to access, view, update, or make any
> changes
> > to your
> > online records until you provide me with you username.
>
> Ah, OK. Did not see this on the form. I think it's best to use
> "sbrunthaler" as a username, unless there is another preferred naming
> schema.
>
> Thanks,
> --stefan
>



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From patcam at python.org  Fri Apr 27 20:18:19 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:18:19 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contributor's agreement...
In-Reply-To: <CA+j1x0=sgpyTG_thvFzrhMnN2C4zPhE+wOLtQKyYLLFFBM8ABw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+j1x0mqUj4puWBv2mP_CK2GnYB1d=wOwS4g29dihgEM+G9r3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4dKxCo2MxG15SihzxRZ2WExvGC_YfzV9mi8sY51Ow4MDog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+j1x0nOhw4-aOS=3q-dZ5hpcTfAxjUTCZ-X1p25AjsO4RYW-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFy_4dKXDYeKtFnyUnmHk5N3PFE3PnVsDuSE37uRfN_Cbort=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+j1x0=sgpyTG_thvFzrhMnN2C4zPhE+wOLtQKyYLLFFBM8ABw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+jtdhBeWZC7QBmGr1+Csiq0uJ1a_47gTH2G1J4pRKiUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stefan:

I have tried to access your account but was not given access.

When you created your account, were you given a user number?
If so, please copy & paste that information from the webpage and I
should be able to use it.

Thanks,
Pat

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, stefan brunthaler <s.brunthaler at uci.edu>wrote:

> Hello Pat,
>
> > I should have mentioned that you must create a profile first,
> > here: http://bugs.python.org/user
>
> OK, that clears up things. I created an account with the username
> "sbrunthaler".
>
> I guess that's all, if there is still something missing, please let me
> know!
>
> Thanks,
> --stefan
>



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From patcam at python.org  Mon Apr 30 16:38:49 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:38:49 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] Contributor Agreement
In-Reply-To: <4F9D609D.2020509@ox.cx>
References: <4F9D609D.2020509@ox.cx>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4dLgkHX_roBccG6662PWZJragmeWiNTJcW=C09HWwadn=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hynek:

Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement form. It has
now been added to the PSF online bug tracker.

Pat

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Hynek Schlawack <hs at ox.cx> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I?ve been asked to sign one of these, please find it attached. :)
>
> All the best,
> Hynek
>



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From patcam at python.org  Mon Apr 30 17:11:11 2012
From: patcam at python.org (Pat Campbell)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:11:11 -0400
Subject: [python-committers] contributor agreement
In-Reply-To: <CAA77j2C-AwAPvtMJymEcmhhx9CmG-wF0QOFMWCqUHWNjpUZ48w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA77j2C-AwAPvtMJymEcmhhx9CmG-wF0QOFMWCqUHWNjpUZ48w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFy_4d+HHLK720zn65UavNKw74J3WUK9PMevQ1f4md1s_Y4V_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tshepang:

Thank-you for submitting your contributor agreement form. It has been added
to the
PSF online bug tracker.

Pat

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang at gmail.com>wrote:

> find attached
>



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