[python-committers] Anatoly has been warned about his behaviour potentially leading to his loss of tracker privileges

[Brett Cannon]

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Georg Brandl <g.brandl at gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Am 29.11.2013 19:22, schrieb Tim Peters:
>> > I pretty much ignore Anatoly, and that works really well for me - try
>> it ;-)
>>
>> It's a nice option, I agree -- but someone has to triage his issues, or
>> they
>> will rot in the tracker for eternity.
>>
>
> Plenty of issues do rot there, it doesn't bother me much. If you don't
> want to triage Anatoly's issues, don't; maybe someone else (Mark Lawrence?
> :-) will.
>

Maybe, but not the issues for stuff some of us are heavily invested in. If
he starts to file importlib bugs I am going to triage them because I try to
close all importlib bugs. I try to at least triage the ast issues as well
which is where I have been bumping up against him as of late. The idea of
having to change how I and others triage bugs because of one individual
seems like the wrong cost/benefit ratio for dealing with the problem.


>
> The key thing to understand here is that you can't win an argument with
> Anatoly. You can only avoid *getting* into one.
>

I'm sure you have developed skills at ignoring people based on the amount
of unsolicited communication sent your way as BDFL. But the rest of us
really only have to put up with this consistently with a single individual.
I know you're worried about some PR problem, but this isn't some knee jerk
reaction but a multi-year issue that everyone has sustained. And this
slowly leaks into everything because new people come, try to participate
with him, and then get the negative consequences of that which becomes a
low, simmering PR problem of its own that we are not more welcoming and
tolerate rude individuals.

If someone turns away from the community because we decided we didn't want
someone who is rude participating and ruining the experience for others
then I'm fine with losing that person's participation just like anyone who
chooses not to come to PyCon because we have a CoC (they can still use
Python, they can just choose to not participate in the community). But if
we lose a single individual because they didn't like someone being rude to
them or others then that is a loss I don't want to see. Once again, the
cost/benefit ratio of everyone as a group having to ignore a single
troublemaker does not seem like the best solution.

If you want to go with ignoring him, then that's fine. But to go along with
that, I think it's reasonable to actively tell others who are new to not
engage him if they start to in order to spare them the stress and
aggravation and potentially losing their participation, otherwise how are
they to know that this is not normal community behaviour and that he holds
no sway? I do not want to continue to feel sorry for people who happen to
reply to one person's emails knowing full well there was something I could
do about it.
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